WEBVTT - Second Tier Contenders and Young Risers

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go through though the next tier of teams that

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<v Speaker 1>are one.

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<v Speaker 2>Level below quote obvious Vegas contender, teams that are like

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<v Speaker 2>Stella trying to get their groovebacks, Teams that have gone

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<v Speaker 2>to the finals recently and are trying to find their

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<v Speaker 2>way back there. Phoenix, Miami, Denver went to the Western

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<v Speaker 2>Conference finals, Philly went to the Eastern Conference. Semis and

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<v Speaker 2>Dallas who made their way to the Western Conference finals

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<v Speaker 2>last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about them, Miami, Miami. It's an ugly, ugly

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<v Speaker 1>path for them. It is always gross.

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<v Speaker 2>It never looks like they're gonna be able to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they do somehow someway. Jimmy Butler makes life hard,

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<v Speaker 2>even when he's making your forty two points per game.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, man, it looked hard for you. They've been

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<v Speaker 2>in the mix though too. Out of the last three years, right,

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<v Speaker 2>they've always adding guy. They're always adding guys you've never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of. They get them undrafted, they come out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>They fill roles that you did not expect. So, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>they get rid of PJ. Tucker, Right, so who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to replace PJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Tucker?

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<v Speaker 2>They get this kid, Darius Days at LSU Darius day days.

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<v Speaker 1>Is who is his player? Cop, Well, just ask him.

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<v Speaker 1>He says it's PJ. Tucker.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not a shocker that they replace PJ. Tucker

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<v Speaker 2>with a younger, up and coming PJ Tucker. Jerry West,

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<v Speaker 2>one of his favorite young players, didn't get drafted. If

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<v Speaker 2>Kyle Lowry is backed to being available, he missed a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of time for personal issues, and I'm not even

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<v Speaker 2>sure what those issues are. Then he missed time due

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<v Speaker 2>to health. So if he's healthy and engage and those

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<v Speaker 2>personal issues are cleaned up, and he's playing seventy five games,

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<v Speaker 2>let's just be more realistic. Sixty five seventy games, they

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<v Speaker 2>could be a problem for a lot of teams. Are

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<v Speaker 2>they good enough to be a healthy Becks team? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Does it matter?

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<v Speaker 2>They might not even face him, So just play your

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<v Speaker 2>best basketball, Miami and we'll see. Though, to be able

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<v Speaker 2>to truly get there, to truly be able to compete

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<v Speaker 2>for a title, I think Bam out of Baio needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be that guy. He needs to be so dominant.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs to make life hard on whoever is guarding him.

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<v Speaker 2>He needs to bam and not lay up. He needs

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<v Speaker 2>to hit his free throws. He needs to be a

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<v Speaker 2>problem night in and night out. So many times he

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<v Speaker 2>goes David Copperfield and just all of a sudden, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where bam about Adebayo is. Is he even

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<v Speaker 2>on the floor. Oh yeah, he's got four points in

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight minutes. That's unacceptable. So two years now, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, we've had role players not show up for

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<v Speaker 2>their teams. You had Kevin Durant and the nets, and

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<v Speaker 2>you had Jimmy Butler in the heat. They were just

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<v Speaker 2>putting the team on their back so much that when

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<v Speaker 2>it came down the closing time, closing time, they were

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<v Speaker 2>so exhausted that they couldn't hit the final shot in

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<v Speaker 2>order to seal it out.

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<v Speaker 1>So role players gotta show up moving forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Denver Nuggets, man, it's easy to forget how good the

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<v Speaker 2>Denver Nuggets were, the bubble Denver Nuggets, unstoppable, just the kids,

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<v Speaker 2>the comeback cardiac kids. They played the Warriors close and

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<v Speaker 2>it was just just checks notes, Doc Rivers's son off

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<v Speaker 2>the couch and Jokic and Rookie Bowlan's Highland and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a sweat for the Warriors.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked like his see a five game. Oh Gentlemen sweep.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I watched every single one of those games. It

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<v Speaker 2>came down to the wire, down to the wire. When

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<v Speaker 2>Doc Rivers's son is your second option and you win

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<v Speaker 2>any games against the team that ended up winning it all,

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<v Speaker 2>like that's a wow. You add back in Jamal Murray,

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<v Speaker 2>who's a bucket. You add back in hopefully Michael Porter

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<v Speaker 2>Junior from injury, which, like, by the way, this has

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<v Speaker 2>been a concern since he was drafted from Missouri.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why he slipped in the draft because he had

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<v Speaker 1>back issues.

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<v Speaker 2>So if he's healthy and back to being the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the best three point shooters in the league, but

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best two way wings in the league,

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<v Speaker 2>then oh boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you add in.

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<v Speaker 2>Ksep who's a very good versatile defender. You add in

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce Brown, who again can do a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a rebound king. He was a nice little

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<v Speaker 2>small ball five for the Brooklyn Nets, and before Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Harris just went into a milk carton, they were gonna

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<v Speaker 2>beat the Bucks. Everyone's gotta stay healthy, man. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they can really make some noise. If Jamal Murray

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<v Speaker 2>is himself and MPJ is himself.

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<v Speaker 1>Phoenix Suns. You move forward and say, how could Phoenix

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<v Speaker 1>really compete?

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<v Speaker 2>How tell me how are they going to get back

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<v Speaker 2>to being an actual team team, a team that likes

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<v Speaker 2>each other and is around each other and has chemistry

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<v Speaker 2>and can overcome adversity when things get bright. We have

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<v Speaker 2>seen them when they do like each other and they

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<v Speaker 2>get derailed. I think that they are gonna have a

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<v Speaker 2>real hard time getting over that drama of the offseason,

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<v Speaker 2>the issues with DeAndre Ayton, the issues with you know, COVID,

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<v Speaker 2>let's be honest, ravaging their team, the issues with Monty

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<v Speaker 2>Williams not speaking to DeAndre Ayton for the entire offseason,

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<v Speaker 2>which is fucking weird, and DeAndre Ayton not reaching out.

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<v Speaker 1>To him, which is fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Him wanting to go to Indiana and still being in

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix because they have no other options. Robert Sarver being

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<v Speaker 2>forced to sell a team. You know the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the whole list.

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<v Speaker 1>How are they gonna get back to the finals? They

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<v Speaker 1>are not, They are not. What needs to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, DeAndre Ayton has to be happy otherwise it's the

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<v Speaker 2>Bismack Biambo show. And I tell you what I've seen

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of Bismack Biaombo when he played for Charlotte.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him in Phoenix as well. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that you want him being your starting five.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Booker gotta be an MVP and this team might just

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<v Speaker 2>might go to the second round. Philadelphia very intriguing team.

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<v Speaker 2>So to contend, they kind of need to be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Jedis.

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<v Speaker 2>Embiid and Harden have to know what each other is

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<v Speaker 2>thinking at all times. They need to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>look into each other's eyes and know who wants.

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<v Speaker 1>The rock where they want it. How much?

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<v Speaker 2>How do you feed Embiid first? How do you feed

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<v Speaker 2>Embiid and not castraight James Harden? That's the question because

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<v Speaker 2>when James is aggressive, he's not looking for anyone else,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he's a distributor, he's not nearly.

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<v Speaker 1>As aggressive with his shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we see the Houston Rockets version of Harden mixed

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<v Speaker 2>with early nets Harden. That would be an absolute problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they going to be good in the post? Are

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<v Speaker 2>they going to be able to rebound? They were one

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<v Speaker 2>of the worst rebounding teams in the NBA last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Doc Rivers, Who's a liar, said on Woja's podcast that

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<v Speaker 2>they look very good right now in practice. I also

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<v Speaker 2>saw some footage where they said that he said they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't look good, but that was a week ago, so

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. They both need to be in shape,

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<v Speaker 2>they both need to be healthy. They're usually neither, both

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<v Speaker 2>of them.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see, we will see.

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<v Speaker 2>I am intrigued. Let's just say that I love Tyree

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<v Speaker 2>s Maxey. He's the most likable player on this team.

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<v Speaker 2>I think when you add nobody's really talking about it

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<v Speaker 2>that much. After the signing PJ. Tucker as a whole

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<v Speaker 2>new element, they said after they lost to the Heat,

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<v Speaker 2>they need some dogs, and they found one.

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<v Speaker 1>PJ. Tucker is that guy. He absolutely is that guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You added Daniel House Junior, which I'm not sure why

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<v Speaker 2>they picked him up other than the fact that he

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<v Speaker 2>can literally.

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<v Speaker 1>Game up any woman in any setting. Remember he.

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<v Speaker 2>Got kicked out of the Bubble for bringing down the

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<v Speaker 2>COVID tester. He took her to his room later later

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<v Speaker 2>right down. So maybe he's like James Harten's wingman. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know why he's on the team, but it's not

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<v Speaker 2>to be a dog, it's to be something else, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move forward Dallas. In order for Dallas to contend,

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<v Speaker 2>what do they need to do? They need to acquire someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's be honest, they need to figure out another backcourt

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<v Speaker 2>teammate with Luca.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a no brainer. Nobody is in more dire

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<v Speaker 1>need of someone.

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<v Speaker 2>To acquire than Luca. He needs a backcourt mate. Losing

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<v Speaker 2>Jalen Brunson was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Really big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>They were fifteenth in offense last year, fifteenth, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they lose the guy who can put up buckets at

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<v Speaker 2>any moment with Luca. He was a very key piece.

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<v Speaker 2>When Luca was out against the Jazz, he put up

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<v Speaker 2>forty one. Do you trust anyone else on that team

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<v Speaker 2>to put up forty one if Luca's not in.

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<v Speaker 1>There, No, you don't. Who can they get?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Mike Conley. They can give you twenty five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>He can give you some shots. A little lefty, he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a three point game. He's not gonna be a

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<v Speaker 2>starter or anything. He's not gonna Maybe he starts, but

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't play huge minutes. Even for twenty two minutes

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<v Speaker 2>a game, he's gonna help. I don't trust in Woodie.

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<v Speaker 2>I said that Javal McGee, Christian wood They need to

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<v Speaker 2>be better. They need to be an absolute bucket. Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Wood needs to hit threes. He needs to be completely engaged.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't have any more of those those reputational things

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<v Speaker 2>and question marks that Christian Wood has had before.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they true? Are they not true? I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know that they're out there, so they need

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<v Speaker 1>to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, Jayden Hardy, If Jayden Hardy becomes like Aunt Edwards

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<v Speaker 2>mid season, then yeah they can go beat But that's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously a big if deeper teams are coming

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<v Speaker 2>and they do not care if Luca puts forty five

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<v Speaker 2>up on them at all. This is a potentially a

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<v Speaker 2>play and team borring a trade.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's true. The next tier of teams on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Rise, getting better, doing the work in the gym, looking good,

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<v Speaker 2>looking to take some heads off. Cleveland, Memphis, Minnesota, New Orleans, Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>All of these teams make me more excited than Dallas.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that, and I love Luca. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>sexy ass group. Woo wooh Hey Memphis, Woo, Minnesota, Woo,

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<v Speaker 2>New Orleans, Woo Toronto.

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<v Speaker 1>Hell yeah, Minnesota, let's talk about them.

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<v Speaker 2>First biggest money move of the of the offseason, swang

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<v Speaker 2>for the fences for Rudy Gobert. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating move. How is it gonna work with Carl Anthony Towns.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea. All I know is it means

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<v Speaker 1>that Carl Anthony Towns.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't going to be a defensive liability, isn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>be caught on film talking all kinds of t and

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<v Speaker 2>people will be like, we have Minnesota, now, we have

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota now. All I know is that it means that

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<v Speaker 2>Carl Anthony Towns can lock in. And if anybody needs

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<v Speaker 2>the shoulders of the blame for anything, we already know

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<v Speaker 2>who it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Rudy. Rudy always shoulders the blame. He's good at that.

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<v Speaker 1>He's good at being an escapegoat.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully Aunt and de lo are gonna feature him more offensively,

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<v Speaker 2>Rudy Gobert, I think you can get him a ton

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<v Speaker 2>of lobs. The question is our team's gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>run him off four, try to go small on him

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<v Speaker 2>like the Clippers did, like Dallas did last year. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, We'll have to see. All I know is

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<v Speaker 2>that Aunt Edwards is gonna be coming. I think he

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<v Speaker 2>takes another step. I think he becomes someone who's like Jaw,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't win the MVP, but is very much in the

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<v Speaker 2>mix of the MVP conversation. And they're gonna win a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of games. They're gonna be a top six team

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<v Speaker 2>in the West. Moving forward, another team I absolutely love

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<v Speaker 2>salivate over the New Orleans Pelicans. I am so excited

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<v Speaker 2>about them. May be my favorite team to even imagine

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<v Speaker 2>how good they could be. Yes, Zion, of course is interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm actually less concerned or interested in Zion because

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<v Speaker 2>I know what he is. How is this team going

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<v Speaker 2>to continue to improve? You have Dyson Daniels. Now you

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<v Speaker 2>have Dyson Daniels, you have Brandon Ingram.

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<v Speaker 1>You have CJ.

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<v Speaker 2>McCollum, you have Jose Alvarado, You've got man just so

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<v Speaker 2>many dudes, Yonus Valencunas. The question, also, big question mark,

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<v Speaker 2>is how Zion and BI are going to coexist.

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<v Speaker 1>They've had issues with that before.

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<v Speaker 2>How does this change the identity of the New Orleans

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<v Speaker 2>team that they built without Zion?

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<v Speaker 1>Big question marks there.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a fifty million reasons to make it work,

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in shape, to run back on defense. But

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you what this is a train that's moving.

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<v Speaker 2>How do I not even say Herb Jones?

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<v Speaker 1>Herb Jones.

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<v Speaker 2>They're gonna move with or without Zion, and it's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be very interesting to watch. I think they could be

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<v Speaker 2>a two seed this year. I think they could literally

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<v Speaker 2>be the biggest surprise in the West, or they could

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<v Speaker 2>be a dumpster fire if Zion doesn't play any defense. Memphis, man,

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<v Speaker 2>they were so good, They're so deep. They took Golden

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<v Speaker 2>State to the brink. There were so many moments that

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<v Speaker 2>were fifty to fifty jaw. Of course, getting injured really hurt.

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<v Speaker 2>Jaron Jackson being god awful from three point Land was awful,

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<v Speaker 2>and they still have a ton of picks. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that they're a team that's very up and coming, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do take they think they take a step back.

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<v Speaker 2>Their wing positions very thin right now. I think they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to try to develop Zire Williams. I like the

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<v Speaker 2>grizz but they're not going to be sneaking up on anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they are now the hunted and they're the

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<v Speaker 2>loudest mouth team in the NBA, So a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>teams are going to be coming for them, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be looking to embarrass them. Losing Jaron Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>also hurts. And I think the Anthony Melton, who I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't mention, is now a sixer. I think he helps

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. Cleveland super interesting team. They have so much versatility.

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<v Speaker 2>They could be kind of who Cleveland was last year

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<v Speaker 2>before my man got hurt with the ACLU Ricky Rubio.

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<v Speaker 2>I need to see, though, how Donovan meshes into the team, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Can he buy into the defensive scheme he's telling us.

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<v Speaker 1>I can defend. I can defend. I promise.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, we haven't seen it since Louisville. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>were you just not doing it on purpose when you're

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<v Speaker 2>at Utah?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it just the assignments.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what was happening with it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>know that two small guard lineups where you've got two

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<v Speaker 2>six one sixty two guys with negative wingspans, I've seen that.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen that up and close with Portland, and it

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<v Speaker 2>did not work. We went to the Western Conference finals

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<v Speaker 2>and we got swept. That's what happened. I tell you what,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pain. It's a lot of pain.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna miss LORI marketing. I tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>I never thought i'd say that, but they're gonna miss him.

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<v Speaker 2>They have a lot more interior help than Portland. They

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<v Speaker 2>have Mobiley, obviously, they've got Jared Allen. Even Kevin Love

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<v Speaker 2>can play some four, even though they'll probably have him

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<v Speaker 2>on the perimeter. But I tell you what, this team

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<v Speaker 2>will be very fun. I think they're going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an actual play off team this year and not a

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<v Speaker 2>play in team moving.

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<v Speaker 1>Forward with Toronto.

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<v Speaker 2>Toronto is one of those teams that if someone takes

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<v Speaker 2>a leap or they add someone, they could be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Like if og Ananobi turns into an All Star, this

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<v Speaker 2>could be a real nightmare matchup for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we've said before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a bunch of six seven to six nine guys

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<v Speaker 2>who can play every single position on the floor and

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<v Speaker 2>can do everything. In the era of positionalists basketball, Nick

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<v Speaker 2>Nurse loves his lineup.

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<v Speaker 1>They add in obviously on top of Scottie.

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<v Speaker 2>Barnes on the cusp of being an All Star. I

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<v Speaker 2>think you add in Otto Porter, you add in Christian Colloco.

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<v Speaker 2>That helps a lot with the defense. And they took

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<v Speaker 2>a flyer on Josh Jackson who went to Kansas busted.

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<v Speaker 2>Just an absolute nightmare of a bust. But he has height,

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<v Speaker 2>he has length, and he could potentially thrive as a

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<v Speaker 2>role player in Nick Nurse's systems.