1 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: Luteus. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. 2 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: You're listening to Software Radio, special operations, military mails and 3 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: straight talk with the guys and the community. All right, hey, everybody, 4 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: welcome to soft Rep Radio. This is the new fresh 5 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,279 Speaker 1: episode just for your ears. If you're viewing this on 6 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: any of our YouTube's or on our software dot com, 7 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: thanks so much. As you can already see. My guest 8 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: today is none other than Jeff Kirkham. Let me give 9 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: you a little backstory on Jeff if I can, and 10 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: you can correct me. Jeff is an author of the 11 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: Black Autumn series books or co author f is Ready 12 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: Man Network. Jeff is someone who believes in you know, 13 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: life saving equipment like rats, tourniqu hit systems. Jeff has 14 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: also ventured in coffee and flamethrowers and you David, and 15 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: special forces with the United States Army. Jeff's career spans 16 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: the globe and probably like a quarter of a century 17 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: in d O D style commitments for US. Honestly, because 18 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I want him to believe that, so you know, and 19 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: I believe Jeff is a boy Scout advocate as well. 20 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: So let's welcome Jeff to this episode. Welcome Jeff hey Man, 21 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,559 Speaker 1: thank you. It's good to be back. You know, we're 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: talking right before the show about how I had been 23 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: a couple of years. You had interviewed me before, so 24 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: it's it's cool too. It's cool to be back on 25 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: the show and chat with you. Yeah, last time we 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: had you know, Chase to face it was real nice. 27 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: We hadn't been hit with the pandemics that had happened, 28 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: and now we're kind of coming out of that these days, 29 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, people are starting to get back into that 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: one on one style interviewing process. I'm excited for it. 31 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: I love it. I'm really a people person. And I 32 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 1: know that you've been running podcasts and doing that for 33 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Ready Man for a long time, right, And so how's 34 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 1: that affected you and your game? The same thing? Well, 35 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, we we we slowed down on our podcasts 36 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: and then put it on the shelf there for a 37 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: little bit. YouTube actually deleted our all of our videos. 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: So back in the day, we were preaching about censorship 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: and suppression and shadow banning and everybody was like, whatever, 40 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: that's not happening, and now it's like common knowledge. But yeah, 41 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,679 Speaker 1: we've you know, Facebook deleted a couple of our pages 42 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: and YouTube deleted our page. You know, we had almost 43 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 1: a thousand videos up on there and they deleted that. 44 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: And so we just continue to chug along. And then 45 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 1: the pandemic came through and all of the crazy insanity 46 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: associated with with COVID. So we're working from home and 47 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: in a burst of insanity called it Insanity Day. I 48 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 1: guess I was like, you know what I'm gonna is 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: a good time to go back to school. So I 50 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: actually went back to school and got my nursing degree 51 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: and uh and it's been phenomenal the two years. It 52 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: was an intensive two years accelerated program for my r 53 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: N in the gratulation thanks and and that's a big deal. 54 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: It's been really cool, like working with people and being 55 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: on the big part of the healing side. And so 56 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: I worked per time at a clinic, you know, to 57 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: keep my hours up right now, it's called Advanced Muscle 58 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: Integration Therapy OUR treatment. That is the Bueller Clinic. They've 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: got one in Kysville and uh one at Draper and 60 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: then they're spreading out actually all over the world. We've 61 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: got docs. It's a meshing of fascial realignment, accupressure, chira 62 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: practic nutrition that brings in different modalities for helping people out. 63 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: It's it's phenomenal. Like I was a patient and then um, 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: I had such a great response from it because my 65 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: back is I actually just recently found out I fractured 66 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the L four. The process of the L four I 67 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: knew about that. What I didn't know about that. The 68 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: X rays two weeks ago just showed me as I 69 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: have a compression fracture of L five and so um 70 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: and then I basically have no disc between my lumbar 71 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: and my thoracic The discs are completely degenerated away and 72 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: jumping out of airplanes carrying heavy loads, falling off the walls, 73 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: you know, my former life, you know, and special Forces. 74 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 1: But these guys gave me relief. And I was just like, 75 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: what are you guys doing? And they had a posting 76 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: They're like, hey, we're looking for help, and I was like, hey, 77 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: can I apply it? And they're they were like you know, 78 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: they're they're super nice people and they were like, well 79 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: you have to know an atomy and physiology. I was like, oh, 80 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: I'm a nurse and they're like, oh yeah, you can apply. 81 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: So applied and got a job and it's just like 82 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: every day I'm learning something new and it's changed the 83 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: way that I look at like energy and ACU pressure 84 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: would have been the first one to go. I kind 85 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: of believe in that stuff. Now I'm like, no, it works. 86 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: Like every single person that we work on, you know, 87 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: it's not like a be healed thing, but every single 88 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: person gets up and they're like, yeah, that's either a 89 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: little bit better or a lot better for me, like 90 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: they might next problem that I had had for literally 91 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: thirty years, I got off the table in ten minutes 92 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: and it was the first time I had had relief, 93 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, what is going on here? I 94 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: gotta learn this. So somebody was like a consistent whiplash. Yeah, 95 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: I can't get rid of jumping. Yeah, jumping. Yeah, I 96 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: can tell you the exact jump where it started camp 97 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: jumping into Camp Bullis, Texas, and I'm pretty sure my 98 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,239 Speaker 1: forehead bounced off my knees and then my neck obviously 99 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: was never the same and blah blah blah blah. So anyways, 100 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: that was a stack line jump, the static line jump. Yeah, yeah, 101 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: old aircraft that they don't have anymore. But yeah, yeah, 102 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: so I've been I've been doing that. I'm still doing 103 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: ready man. We just released the last book in the 104 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 1: Black Automn series, Blood Spring, so that's out and people 105 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: can jump on that. We've you know, Black Autumn is 106 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: done really well. We've sold We're right about half a 107 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 1: million copies sold, which has been really cool because lots 108 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: of people have have you know, kind of our whole 109 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: point with Black autom it's post apocalyptic fiction. To anybody 110 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: that's listening it, it was, you know, it's been a 111 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 1: bestseller a few times on Amazon and whatnot. We were 112 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: part of the story of Black Automns. We wrote it 113 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: as kind of a creative way to get people emergency 114 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: preparedness minded and so that they would you know, it's like, look, 115 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: we could write all these technical manuals, and you know, 116 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna buy them, or the people who do buy 117 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: them already or know that stuff anyway. So we took 118 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: an approach, let's do it. Let's do a fictional novel, 119 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: let's make it interesting, fun, and then we'll insert some 120 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: educational stuff in there and see how it goes. And 121 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: the response, you know, we wrote that several years ago 122 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: and the response has just been phenomenal. And then we've 123 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: got no vellas. So there's nine books in the series actually, 124 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: and they've done really well. And now we're playing with 125 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: the idea of maybe doing like a kind of like 126 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: a mini series with it, so we'll see some type 127 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: of live action come to life. Huh why not? I 128 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: mean how cool would that be? Have nine You have 129 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: nine books to playoff of, and I mean a lot 130 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 1: of the scenery is probably in your backyard that you 131 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: would like to use. The book takes place in Utah, 132 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: so it takes place in Utah. So I mean, you know, 133 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: it's not like you have to get a green screen. 134 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 1: I mean, but you don't have to. It's right there. 135 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: And it's really like, you know, it's almost surreal. We 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: see like today, like yesterday with the with the Cartel's 137 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: like like they're literally at war with the Mexican government. 138 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: Like I was watching videos, oh man, I was watching 139 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: the cows of Mexican government helicopters with mini guns doing 140 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: strikes on cartel targets. And then Cartel have got fifty 141 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: cows that they're shooting back for anti aircraft stuff. And 142 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: we we literally wrote about this, what was that three 143 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: or four years ago? In um one of our blog articles, 144 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: it was the Insurgency next Door and people are gonna 145 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: their criminals, and I was like, nah, I'm more like criminals. 146 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: And that's why one of the books that is in 147 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: the Black automn series is Conquisatores, where the one of 148 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: the cartel's combined together takes over and then pushes into 149 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: the you know, into the ild United States, and and 150 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: that's one of the parallel novels. So yeah, it's interesting. 151 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: If how I won't stay prophetic because that's really egotistical, 152 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: but I mean, just how much it's like you can 153 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: look at current events and kind of see the trend. 154 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: Anybody can do it and go this is probably gonna 155 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: have Like did somebody read my book? Like bro like 156 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: life imitating our our imitating life. That's kind of like 157 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,079 Speaker 1: it's true. I read a book and then all of 158 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:30,839 Speaker 1: a sudden, I start picking up on all these different 159 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: things that are happening that I've read in a book. 160 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: It's like, that's interesting. Yeah, So I mean, I'm I'm 161 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: staying you know, COVID kept me busy. I'm getting ready 162 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: to start an advanced degree from my nursing the healing, 163 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: you know, helping people out has been really cool. And 164 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: then we've about every few weeks we've been running a 165 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 1: mental health retreat with me and a few other folks 166 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: and that's been really fulfilling, helping helping out some folks 167 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: to kind of figure stuff out with life. And it's 168 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 1: just good people and it's non pretentious and it's been 169 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: a fantastic learning experience for me to kind of sharing 170 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: what I did, you know, to prepare for stressful events 171 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: when I was in the military, and and talking to 172 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: folks and it's like helping them out with figuring out. 173 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: So it's a retreat that we do. It's like a 174 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: three or forward day retreat down in southern Utah that 175 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: we that we do a beautiful ranch that's down there 176 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: and it's called Mustang Medicine and so it's the Rewilding 177 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: Retreat and I do it with a few other folks, 178 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: a few other guys that are down there. And man, 179 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: it's just it's just been so long story short. It's 180 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: like life has just gotten cooler and cooler and cooler. 181 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: I really am. I'm super blessed. I can't you know, 182 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: I can't complain. I've got a fantastic and super good space. Yeah, 183 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 1: and it just you know, it just gets better and better. 184 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Are you going after your is it? The LPN? Is that? 185 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: What's after the r N? Is that the next? Well, 186 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: actually LPN is before, so a licensed practical nurses before 187 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: registered nurse, and then registered nurse. Then I'll start working 188 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: for my nurse practitioner. Okay, yeah, right, that's where you 189 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: can kind of treat the patient as well as prescribed, right, yeah, 190 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: more and more. So it's interesting anybody that's military that's 191 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: out there. One. A nursing degree is a phenomenal route 192 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: degree because it's intensive. It doesn't it doesn't have a 193 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: bunch of the bs that's normally associated with college degrees. 194 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: It's all core classes. And so that was that was 195 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,440 Speaker 1: really nice because I didn't have feel like I was 196 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: wasting my time. But then nurses are like the n 197 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: c O core of the hospitals and of the really 198 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: of the healthcare profession, and so nurses run the hospitals. 199 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: The doctors come in like officers and give their intent 200 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: and you know, and the obviously the docts or the 201 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 1: surgeons and stuff. But it was interesting, you know, when 202 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: I was working up at the University of Utah, and 203 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: they answer ward. I was in for surgery when I 204 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: was doing my rotations and you know, I was looking. 205 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: I went over to talk to the anesthesiologist and I 206 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, how long have you been an 207 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: anesthesiologist And he's like, I'm not an enthusiologist. I'm a 208 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: nurse and nessist. He's like, I'm like you, I'm a 209 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: nurse and I was like what And this is like 210 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: major surgery because we're there was a double missectomy of 211 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: a of a you know, of a patient and christ 212 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: cancer and you know, and he was like, he was like, 213 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: there's only one doctor in this room. And he's like 214 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: and it's her right there, the surgeon. And I was like, well, 215 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: the other person that's that was going after the surgeon 216 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and clar I was like, well, what is she doing. 217 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: It's like she's a nurse practitioner. Was like, well what, 218 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:47,079 Speaker 1: he's nurse practitioner. And then the gal running the E 219 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: R R DOT the E are running the the was 220 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: an r N. And I was like, oh my gosh, 221 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: I had Yeah. It was really really enlightening. And and 222 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: in the healthcare for fashion, more and more nurse practitioners 223 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: are taking over kind of that general practitioner because doctors, 224 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: i mean medical schools so freaking expensive. They've got a specialize, 225 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: which has been good because they're getting we're getting highly 226 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: specialized people. So like if you go to an orthoptic surgeon, 227 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: they're like, I'm an orthopedic surgeon that works on shoulders. 228 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 1: You need orthopedic surgery for knees, go talk to Dr 229 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: Red because he's he does knees. I get soldiers, you know, 230 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: they really specialized and kind of the more. And you 231 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: have nurses that are super specialized too. But if you 232 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: go to like urgent care or something like that, you're 233 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: probably going to see an MP or a p A. 234 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: But assistants the p A yeah, physicians assistant, which you 235 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,839 Speaker 1: know the two that I mean, for sake of this 236 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 1: kind are their differences, certainly, but for the sake of 237 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: this conversation, the two are I mean, nobody's kind equal. 238 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: They would fight together. Yeah, I mean p A s 239 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: are know any PAS that are out there going to 240 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: scream right now, And same with the MPs. But I 241 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: mean for real super basic stuff, they're they're kind of 242 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: equal for the basic stuff and so they're more they're 243 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: they're taking over the general practitioner type stuff, which to 244 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: me is super interesting. I find that just the general 245 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: bumps and bruises and rashes and stuff because like in 246 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: my you know, I'm a prepara at heart, right and 247 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: so now it's like I got some skills and this 248 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: is a job I can do. I could be years 249 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: old and work as a nurse, you know, because it's 250 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 1: so broad and then and I'm already now like I'm 251 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: working on people and friends and family. Jeff, I got this, 252 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: and you're like the Yeah, it's like a mechanic in 253 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: the neighborhood that brings their cars over. I learned not 254 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: to get mad at the snow plow not plowing around him. 255 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: By the way, Okay, I'm like, alright, bro, I know 256 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: you're fixing the neighbor's car. Okay. So so that's been cool. 257 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm still doing the business stuff. I mean, I've got 258 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: just got a couple other patents awarded, so two more 259 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: tourniquets that I that are congratulations that are different than 260 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: my rats turn to kit patent. But you know, just 261 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: keeping my mind active and solving stuff. And when we've 262 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: got a dog leash that we're pushing out, and so 263 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: I love that. No, that's perfect and cats. My cat 264 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: is leash trained. I just want to let you know that. 265 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 1: So as long as it's compatible, I'll like, I'll rock 266 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: it with my cat Luna. No problem. Oh let me know. 267 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: I'll get you one so you can test it out. 268 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: That's cool, Oh dude, du yeah, I'll take tok that 269 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: right up, dude, problem and I'll because people love to 270 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: watch my cat on a leash for some reason. It's 271 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: not the norm. But you know, she climbed a tree 272 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: when we got her as a kitten, and she went 273 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: like sixty ft up one of my pines. I couldn't 274 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 1: get her down, and it was October cold, so we 275 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: called the buddy Blake and he came down and he 276 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: was just getting into the tree business. So he put 277 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: on his stilts and climbed up, and she jumped away 278 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: from him and fell sixty ft and hit the ground 279 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: and then ran up on a fence and she looked 280 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: like a Halloween cat. And I was like Luna, and 281 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: he was up at the top with his light on 282 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: his helmet looking for and she had jumped off the 283 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: whole thing. Dude was like, okay, a little kit and 284 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: uh so, yeah, at leash. She's leash trained. Bro I 285 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 1: was like, no, you're never getting away at leash it is. 286 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: That's it. That's it now. But with the rats. That's 287 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: something I want to mention. There's people out there that 288 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: have this, you know, back and forth about this tourniquet 289 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: or that tourniquet. You know, don't use that tournique it, 290 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: and people will use a belt as a tourniquet. People 291 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: will use something that like a USBC cable as a 292 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: tourniquet in a moment of need. You know, it's probably 293 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: best to know how to use all tournique its rather 294 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: than bash on a single singular tourniquet because some multi 295 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: letter acronym that has people who work for Tyson's Foods 296 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: on its board seems to care. We uh. You know. 297 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: When I teach classes tourniquet used and stuff, I have 298 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: a bag. I think I have fifteen different turn of 299 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: kids that are in there, and I teach all of 300 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: them because it's like, look, people ask me, Jeff, what's 301 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: the best turniquet, And I'm like, the one that you 302 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: have and the one you know how to use because 303 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: you don't always get a choice. Maybe you didn't have 304 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 1: one with you, but the but the area that you're at. 305 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: And I tell people, I'm like, look, how many of 306 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: you guys out there you don't have a class. And 307 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm like, how many of you guys that are out 308 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: there have have been in a gunfight? Maybe one hand 309 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 1: will go up because he's a military dude, And I'm like, okay, 310 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: how many of you guys have seen a gunfight? Maybe 311 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: a hand will go up, you know, And this is 312 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: like fifteen students or something. I'm like, okay, how many 313 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 1: of you have seen a car wreck? Well, every hand 314 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: goes up, and I'm like, how many of you been 315 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: in a car wreck? Well like three quarters of the 316 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: hands go up. And I'm like, well, okay, let's start 317 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: talking about. The number one preventable cause of death on 318 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: the battlefield and in the civilian world is massive hemorrhage. 319 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: Is bleeding to death. And I was like, in the safest, 320 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: most effective way of stopping bleeding is a tourniquet. The 321 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: old wives tales about you're gonna lose the limb and 322 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: all this that's garbage that's been that's been soundly disproven 323 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: and so and if the person bleeds out anyways, then 324 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: you didn't do any good anyways, So and so learn 325 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 1: how to use all the tourney kids, and it's just 326 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of like guns. Once you learn how to 327 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: use a few different guns, you can pick one up 328 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: and figure it out, and it's like, I've never shot 329 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: this game before, but I can figure it out. Because 330 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: again as well, in turn kates are really ICs of it. 331 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: You're gonna it's kind of like I've never seen this before, 332 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: but yeah, I can figure this out. Boom, you can 333 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: put that on and save somebody's life, which really, at 334 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: the end of the day is the biggest thing. And 335 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: there's so many there's so many tourniquets that are out 336 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: there that you know, some work for some folks and 337 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: some don't. But it's like I don't know all learn 338 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: them all. You know. What's what's a little the knowledge 339 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: doesn't weigh anything, you know what I mean. It's better 340 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: to have it and not need it than to need 341 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: it and not have it. It's a serious type of thing, right. 342 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: I have one in my daughter's car, We have one 343 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: in each of our cars. And so just because it 344 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: may not just be if it does happen to me, 345 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: I'll be like, right here, get the tourniquet. We actually 346 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 1: it was interesting. So Paul Marco was a student of 347 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: the gun just taught class last fall. Taught a class 348 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: to some folks that are on a farm, right and 349 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: it was like, hey, here's tourniquets and all that. He 350 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: he does this great class. It's called Beyond the band 351 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: Aid and it's just managing trauma type stuff. And two 352 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: of the guys that were in the class, one week later, 353 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: we're loading a calf. This is one of the that's 354 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: the cool thing about having done a tourniquet as you 355 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: hear all of these bizarre accidents that that people have 356 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: and they use your product to save a life. But 357 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: so two guys are loading a calf into a trailer 358 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: and the calf didn't want to go into the trailer. 359 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,639 Speaker 1: So the one guy is kind of coaxing it. Mind you, 360 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: this is one week after they had to Beyond the 361 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: band Aid class. One guy is kind of coaxing it 362 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: and he slipped. There's some mud and he slipped, so 363 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: the calf jumped over the top of him when he slipped. Well, 364 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: when that happened, the calf stepped on his arm right 365 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: here and sliced him open and sliced that artery. So 366 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he looked down and he's like, 367 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 1: oh crap, I just had a class on this. So 368 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: he reached down and he pinched the artery that he 369 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: could see that was squired in blood out and yep 370 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: beyond and yelled turnique it turniquet. And so the other 371 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: guy had had a kid ran over through a tourniquet 372 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: happened to be a Rats tourniquet, but it could have 373 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: been any tourniquet through it on his arm, loaded him 374 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: up and took him to took him to the hospital 375 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: on the dock. Was like, if it had been another 376 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: couple of minute or so, you would have died. It 377 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 1: was like you saved his life with that, with that tourniquet, 378 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 1: and they took it off and the guy he's fine, 379 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: you know. But just stories like that are so incredibly humbling, 380 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: where it's just like man, that that's so a life 381 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: was saved and he's a great guy too. Life was 382 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: because he pinched off that he just pinched off the valve. 383 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: He just like closed it off, just like close it off. Yeah, yeah, crazy, 384 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, because honestly, I guess you and talking 385 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: to you makes me think past the band aid now, 386 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: I just want to say. Usually it's like, oh I 387 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: got a band aid. That that's true, right, and I 388 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 1: got some I got an ice baddage to what's what's 389 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: past those two things and the ice pack. He can 390 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: do so much with your orange tackle box if you 391 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: get out there and train, though, it's it's a amazing 392 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing what you can improvise. But you've 393 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: got you've got a train, you know. It's it was 394 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 1: the what was that the Boston bombing that I mean, 395 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 1: that was horrible, but the Boston bob you know, they 396 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of people are trying to do tourniquets and um, 397 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 1: I think, don't quote me exactly on this number, but 398 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: it was like of the the impromptu tourniquets were not effective. 399 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: So that went out through the trauma community and it 400 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: was like, don't even try doing um, you know, hasty 401 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: tourniquets because they're effective, and it's like no, no, no, no, no, 402 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: they were. And that's like saying that the car is 403 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 1: ineffective because you don't know how to drive it. It's like, oh, 404 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: these gets, proper placement would have helped if someone had 405 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: some knowledge from like put it up higher or tightening 406 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, you know exactly, and so that making it 407 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: tight that was yeah, But but it's not in turniquets. 408 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 1: They're not they're not intuitive. And so like you had mentioned, 409 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: you had mentioned belts, you know, and and belts actually 410 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: don't make very good tourniquets. But you can use a 411 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: belt as a tourniquet, but you've got to know how 412 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: to do it, and and there's some training that has 413 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: to take place. So that's why we tell folks, it's like, 414 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: what is the best tourniquet, the one that's on you, 415 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: the one that you can you can imprompt you put 416 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: on to save somebody's life. You know, you can make 417 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: a tourniquet out of a T shirt, but you got 418 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: to know how to do it. But it did. We 419 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: did a video. Is interesting. We did a video and ready, man, 420 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: it's been a few years ago where we used all 421 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: kinds of different stuff to shut down blood flow. We 422 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: had a doppler or ultrasound. We're stopping blood flow in 423 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: the legs. It was Josh Fighter. Josh was the guy, 424 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: and I mean we were using all kinds of stuff 425 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: that like you know, people in the trauma world would 426 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: scream about. But then it's it's like, hey, look, the 427 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: idea is to stop the bleeding, get him to the 428 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: hospital and then and you're not gonna hurt them, you 429 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so and even if they 430 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: do like get compartment syndrome or something, they're not dead. 431 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: So let's keep that in mind. So, yeah, that's crazy 432 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: because speaking of like injuries, you know, I go snowboarding 433 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: quite a bit, and a little couple of days ago, 434 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: I had took a hit on the back of my 435 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: head and the goggles had shifted on my head and 436 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of bashed into my nose and I was like, oh, 437 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: stupid helmet, that's the first thing I said, right, But 438 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: stupid helmet, you just saved my life. Yeah, oh man. 439 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: And then I stopped and I said, thank you, helmet, 440 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: because it would have been worse if I had caught 441 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: my edge, you know, and really smacked my head, if 442 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 1: there was a hidden tree stump underneath that snow you know, 443 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: or any of that type of stuff. You know, I'm 444 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: you're writing under terrain that you just don't know, and 445 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: it's like, or you do, but you don't, And so yeah, 446 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: damn hell messing up my money maker. What are you doing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 447 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: so oh man, that is That's another thing. There's I 448 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: know a friend of mine, he just went through the 449 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: whole E m T course here in Utah. He's super 450 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: proud of that, and now he's running ski patrol. You 451 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: know that is good for him. Everybody, like I was 452 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: just having this discussion. It was like, you know what 453 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: E M T certification should be in the high school curriculum. 454 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 1: It's it's like, you know, we're worried about school shootings 455 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: and stuff. Well, hell, let's just make Let's make all 456 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: these seniors first responders. How many would we save? And wow, 457 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: they're getting an education at the same time and they're 458 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: getting college credit. Let's why don't we do some hanging 459 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: out with a fire truck sometimes? I mean, hello, I 460 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: mean it's cool stuff. It's not like, you know, if 461 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: you're hanging out and learning all the first responder stuff, 462 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: you're gonna be hanging out with the jaws of life 463 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: and hanging out with these guys and bags of ivy 464 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:02,159 Speaker 1: solution for doing you know, it's all about you know, 465 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I talk about and then and 466 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: it applies to this one of the things I talk 467 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: about and the retreat is in psychology, there's this thing 468 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: called the trifectave happiness, and everybody lately it's it's going 469 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 1: around dopamine and serotonin and whatnot in our bodies. That 470 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: these are the feel good chemicals that you know, nerd 471 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: transmitters that are that are in our bodies. And well, 472 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 1: the trifecta of happiness is serotonine, oxytocin, and dopamine and 473 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: the single and so that's kind of the three things 474 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: that if those three are in balance through your body, 475 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: you feel really good, you're pleasant to be around, you're 476 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: helping other people out, and you know, and this is 477 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: a whole lecturer that I give is part of the retreat, 478 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,959 Speaker 1: so you can understand what's going on at the chemical 479 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: level of your body. But trifective happiness, the number one 480 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: way that you can activate the trifective happiness in your 481 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: body is service. Serving other people activate it's the trifective happiness. 482 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: So and then and that's where I'm just like, you know, 483 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: with the mental health crisis that we have going on 484 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: in the United States and oppressions and all time we're 485 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: high and blah blah blah, all this stuff. It's like, 486 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: let's why don't we why don't we institute programs in 487 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: high schools that being an e m T by nature 488 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: is serving your fellow man. So let's give them skills, confidence, 489 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: stuff that they'll use for the rest of their lives, 490 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,239 Speaker 1: even if they're never a e m T. Because how 491 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: many people have seen a car wreck? Right, everybody in 492 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: the class always raises their hands. Now we can help people, 493 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: and they can They can render aid. You know, they 494 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: can be that guy in the neighborhood that knows something 495 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: Bob's having an heart attack, and they can run down 496 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: the street and render aid to their to their neighbor, 497 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: to a family member. Now at service, activating that trifective happiness. 498 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: That be super cool thing, you know. I mean, this 499 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: is kind of a pipe dream in utopia, but but 500 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: it could happen. It could because I mean, we had 501 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: auto shop, we had wood shop. We had these different 502 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: types of skill classes that taught us this is how 503 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 1: you change a tire, This is how you change your 504 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 1: light bulb on your headlight. You know, this is a 505 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: lot of the fan belts. You know, you'd get in 506 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: and you know it was male female ratios were almost 507 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: even in auto shop and things in wood class, you know, 508 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: because kids were in classes doing different things. So it 509 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,680 Speaker 1: could totally be something like that, and it would just 510 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: need an advocate to probably steer that ship, you know, 511 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: someone that could take Someone has to become the teacher, 512 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 1: someone has to be like, you know, passionate about it 513 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: and to kick it off. And then as they produced 514 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: that success, then that's just going to produce other teachers 515 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: to be successful behind that, you know. You know, and 516 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: I'm probably hyper fixated on medical because of my background 517 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: and because I don't know, I just see that as 518 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: one of those where it's like, you know, we're just 519 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: we just back from vacation over Christmas, and you know, 520 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: when I helped, let's say, I had like six different 521 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: people came to me. Seven came to me and we're like, hey, 522 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: can you help me with X, Y and Z. And 523 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: it was like yeah, absolutely, it's just a it's just 524 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: a really cool feeling. But you know, it could also 525 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: be that neighborhood mechanic like where you're talking about where 526 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, the service to service right right, 527 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: it's right, you know, I mean shovel in your neighbor's 528 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: snow just to be nice, is the nice thing. It's 529 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: just I'm already there. I'll just do an extra lift, 530 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: and then there's just another lift, and then just another lift, 531 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: and pretty soon I've done their drive away. Then I'm 532 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: at the next neighbor's driveway and I'm like, when do 533 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: I stop Now? I'm like, I need a snowplow. See 534 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: that's how my thought processes. I need a Foehler. I 535 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: could be the whole neighborhood. Yeah, exactly, exactly right. So 536 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: it's it's been a cool it's been a you know, 537 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: it's been a cool journey, you know, and really taking 538 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: this you know, full cycle. That's exactly what we're trying 539 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 1: to do with Black Autom. When we wrote you know, 540 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: when we wrote that novel, was I mean, you remember, 541 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: I said, we're coming up with a clever way to 542 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: get people like We had no idea if if your 543 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: Black Autom. We didn't know if we're gonna sell one novel, 544 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, but we figured our friends and famill do it, 545 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: and this would be kind of a cool, clever way 546 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: to get people thinking about emergency preparedness. So, you know, 547 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: and then it grew hair no pun intended, but grew 548 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: hair and turned into what it is today. You know, 549 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: So it is pretty cool. It's clever because you do 550 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: like to talk and you have a lot of expertise 551 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: about all of ready Man style stuff like how to 552 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: like you know, do little survival things and you know, 553 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: use a sling shot when you don't know how to 554 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: if you don't have anything. Here's how you make a slingshot. 555 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 1: You know. That's that's really like what's in your like 556 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: a Swiss army knife. I'm sure you have a toothpick 557 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: hidden on you somewhere. Hey, you know, here's my Yeah, right, 558 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: I got my pencil. There's my toothpick. Oh to David Letterman, 559 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: just team my math. There you go. And then the 560 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: other project that I've been steadily working on is jukesi 561 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: dot com g u x x i dot com because 562 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: after we got booted off of YouTube, it was like, well, 563 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: I guess we need our own video platform. So we've 564 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: been working on our own video platform. So if you're 565 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: familiar with full thirty f U L L three zero, 566 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of like a YouTube for firearms. Jukes he 567 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: absorbed full thirty and so now we're we've got the 568 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: technology is stable on that for moving video back and forth, 569 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: and so now we're continuing to push that and and 570 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: grow that too. So it's a video platform that you know, 571 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: we're not censoring people and letting the First Amendment be 572 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: So it's just kind of like have a free like 573 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: not really a free for all, but like the freedoms 574 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: that we would think that you should have to post, right, 575 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 1: that's kind of because you'll probably have some type of safeguard, uh, 576 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like faces of death from reappearing. Yeah, exactly, 577 00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, child porn and all that. You know, obviously, 578 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, we were pretty steadfast. It's like, hey, if 579 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: you put illegal stuff up on here, not only will 580 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: we delete your page, but we're going to report you 581 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,239 Speaker 1: to law enforcement because we don't write, you know, if 582 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: you're hurting kids or your stuff like that. It's like, nope, nope, 583 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 1: not doing that. But as far as like somebody asked me, 584 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 1: they're like, what if somebody's a Nazi and was it? 585 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, that's their opinion. They can 586 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: do that as long as they're not hurting anybody. My 587 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: kids are Jewish, and so that's where it was like, 588 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 1: But then I'll take my kids there and I'll go 589 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: see this. Watch this. That's why these guys are asking. 590 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: And but if it's some he's out of himself being 591 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: that way, why would you even I mean, I that 592 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: it gets put out there, right, But there's somebody out 593 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: there just has some type of dumbass cause like I 594 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: don't know, well, you know what, you know what, it's interesting. 595 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember where I read this. But what 596 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: what really took the wind out of the sales pretty 597 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 1: much killed the KKK was there was a journalist that 598 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: got into the KKK and and became a member and 599 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: then started doing news articles on them and turn you know, 600 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: and showed basically showed the truth of what these guys 601 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: were doing because there was kind of a secret organization 602 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 1: and they had challenge words and stuff like that, and 603 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: so they opened it up and all of a sudden, 604 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: these guys, you know, they're like, wait a minute, where 605 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: we sound like little kids running around in bed sheets? 606 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,360 Speaker 1: Only were assholes because we're racist, and you know, took 607 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: the wind out of it. Was not looking good, Yeah, 608 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: looking good because because the light was shown on them 609 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: and people can shining this is what these guys are 610 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: about well there, they're jerks. I don't know, I don't 611 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm not interested in being part of them. And you 612 00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: have to step outside of it and then see it. 613 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, someone else came in 614 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: and did that and wrote about it, and then you 615 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: read about it, you're like, wait, that's me, that's us. Yeah, yeah, bro, Yeah, 616 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: So that's a you know, we're that's what we're working 617 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: on right now. I mean it's right now. It's heavy 618 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,440 Speaker 1: on the firearms because firearms are so censored everywhere that 619 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: they can come to JUKESI dot com and and you know, 620 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,239 Speaker 1: it's like you can talk about having your farms classes 621 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: and without worrying about getting shadow banned or shut down 622 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: or whatnot, right, you know, and there's only so much. 623 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I have uploads, we have youtubees, and you know, 624 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,399 Speaker 1: I do a lot of air soft war games, right Jeff, 625 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: And the guns that I have are getting banned for 626 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,800 Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm like, hey, I'm a professional in a 627 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: gun range environment doing professional safety shooting my professional air 628 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 1: soft gun exa, et cetera. And it's still banned. And 629 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: then I have to appeal, and then the appeals come 630 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: through and they're like, oh, sorry, but what I did 631 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: was I went and read like, you know, the TikTok's, 632 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,759 Speaker 1: the YouTube's and all the different you know, this is 633 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do in your lane, right, I'm 634 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: listing stuff in a firearms category, and so I went 635 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: and read every single thing, and nothing in there says 636 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: air Soft, not a single thing. So it's like, how 637 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: so they have to be shown that, right because they're 638 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: just sitting behind a keyboard with a list, and they're 639 00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: just like, yes, it looks like a gun. Yes, it 640 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 1: looks like a gun hitting that key Yes, it looks 641 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: like gun. And then here's Rad replying for it, appeals saying, hey, 642 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: let me explain. I'm amazed they haven't they haven't completely 643 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: shut you down, to tell you the truth, they YouTube 644 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: shut us down. They wouldn't even admit that they shut 645 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,040 Speaker 1: us down until we forced them on a conference call 646 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,960 Speaker 1: and then it was like, oh, we'll get back to you. 647 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: And we never heard anything. Same with Facebook. We we 648 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: appealed and appealed and appealed, and they're like, yeah, we're 649 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: looking over your appeal and they just they completely show 650 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: us downe and we weren't doing any anything political or 651 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: super ler know, when we did that uh mission six 652 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: zero fifty cow out there at the farm, I took 653 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: a quick, like one minute video of me doing a 654 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: stand up with the fifty I think what Mitch filmed it, 655 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: and then I uploaded it and it got shut down. 656 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,400 Speaker 1: I was like out of range with instructors on both sides, 657 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: like you know, and then they came back and they 658 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: put it back up, but it had lost all of 659 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: its original momentum. Yep, that's kind of like and now 660 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: I just feel like there's a little bit of like, 661 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: you know, some type of glitter they sprouted on me 662 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 1: that keeps me in certain search algorithms and you know 663 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: whatnot So huh j u x x I huh j 664 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: u x x I dot com. People ask us, where'd 665 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: you get the name? And we're like, we made it up. 666 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,360 Speaker 1: Sounds cool. We wanted something that's on a cool we 667 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: made it up. And and what it allows us to 668 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,319 Speaker 1: kind of write our own, you know, write our own 669 00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 1: script type thing, because we're bring it up to more 670 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: than just firearms. But if you type in full thirty 671 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: f U L L three zero dot com, it takes 672 00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: you to the firearms section of juicy, So it's a 673 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: redirect there. Well, you know, and if you think of 674 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,160 Speaker 1: a jukebox from back in the day, it was just 675 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: full of a collective of different genres of everybody's taste 676 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:23,399 Speaker 1: of music. Bro's it's like flippings. That's what's so true. 677 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,960 Speaker 1: It's so true. So that's jukesy dot Com and you're 678 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: you're putting that out there. So if you're looking to 679 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: you know, put your content up somewhere, and you want 680 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: another place to do it, check out Juicsy Island. I'm 681 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 1: gonna check it out. I'll create an account. Awesome, Yeah, 682 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: for sure, I will. I will. Indeed, do you have 683 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: what's the last book in your Black Autumn that you've 684 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: got and what's the next one? Well, Blood Springs the 685 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: last book. We just released it, and it's it's the 686 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: culmination event that takes place, I don't I mean, it 687 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 1: happens throughout, but there's a big war that's taking place 688 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: because the cartel has has pushed up through southern Utah 689 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: or through the southern US and that are trying to 690 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: get into Utah because they're trying to secure the oils. 691 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: So we the premise of this section is if you 692 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 1: look at old old Mexico, a bunch of the western 693 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: United States was originally part of Mexico, and then we 694 00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: won that back in the Mexican American War, so we 695 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,560 Speaker 1: took that premise. And there's still a belief that down, 696 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: you know, by the fringe, by the radicals, whatever you 697 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 1: want to call them, that they want to take that 698 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 1: portion of the US back California, New Mexico, Arizona and 699 00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: so and pull that back. So as a matter of fact, 700 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: here in Utah, when the Mormons first came into the 701 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: Utah Valley, it was Mexico for about two years before 702 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,680 Speaker 1: it got pulled into the Union. So they actually the 703 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: Mormons left the Union and then it came to Mexico, 704 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,680 Speaker 1: became Mexico, or they came to Mexico to get away 705 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: from the persecution, and then it and then it flipped 706 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: over and became a US territory because of the wars. 707 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: So it's pretty interesting history and so all of stuff 708 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: that we right, we try to take a very historical 709 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: bent on the books. We look to the past to 710 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: see to the future. So like the Homestead, which is 711 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 1: a main a main portion of where all the people 712 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: are the characters of the book, not all, but most 713 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,040 Speaker 1: of the characters of the book of Original Black Autumn. 714 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: The homestead is about a hundred and fifty people. And 715 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:38,800 Speaker 1: we took that number because historically speaking, groups of people 716 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:40,840 Speaker 1: that are about a hundred and fifty to two hundred 717 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,080 Speaker 1: seemed to do better and when and so if you 718 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 1: look at a bunch of the tribes, and we even 719 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: saw this in Afghanistan still to this day, villages were 720 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty to two hundred people, and 721 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: once and because that's a manageable level of people, and 722 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: then once they got bigger than that, they would sp 723 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: it off and and form a new tribe, a new 724 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: village or new whatever it was Somalia, it's clans. And 725 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: then what that allowed them to do was you've got 726 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,359 Speaker 1: enough people that you can feed them, you can secure them, 727 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: you can take care of them. People can be sick, 728 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: but work can still get done, you can watch out 729 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: over other people. You've got kids, you've got older and 730 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: so it seems to be that kind of that sweet 731 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 1: spot where you can replace the number of people that 732 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: are there. And so that was the number. And then 733 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: so that's the whole premise with you know, American Invaded, 734 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,320 Speaker 1: which is one of the parallel novels. And finally, Blood 735 00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 1: Spring is that old thing of of this conquest to 736 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: take back what was Mexico, you know, back in the 737 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, early eighteen hundreds and eighty four ish, right, 738 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: because we became state in eighteen right, and then not 739 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,760 Speaker 1: long after that, so Johnston's Army came mount to Utah. 740 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: That's pretty much what established this as part of the 741 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,439 Speaker 1: of the Union. And then the Civil War kicked off, 742 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: and so they're the Union and the South wanted to 743 00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: secure the lines through Utah, so that's where Cedar Fort 744 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: came from and Douglas because they were trying to secure 745 00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 1: to keep the South from splitting over in attacking California, 746 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,759 Speaker 1: where it's really interesting, rarely looked at history of the 747 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: United States with that that everybody thinks of the Civil 748 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,760 Speaker 1: War has only taking place in the South, North Carolina, 749 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 1: South Carolina exactly, and there was fighting going on in Texas, 750 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: and you know, there's stories of lost Confederate gold here 751 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: in in Utah and in New Mexico and stuff. So 752 00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: so that's kind of the premise. So we're we're big 753 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: advocates of look to the past to look to the future, 754 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 1: like book two, which is Bloods, so it's black Autumn, 755 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: blood Spring, and then sorry, black Autumn, white Wasteland, and 756 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: then blood Spring, so it follows fall, winter spring, and 757 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: then the white waste Land. We delve into a bunch 758 00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: of the mental health type issues that you know with 759 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,560 Speaker 1: like the book starts out pretty dark with a guy 760 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: committing suicide because you know, there's a pestilence that's going through, 761 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 1: a flu that's killing a whole bunch of people. We 762 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: wrote that prior to COVID too, But but a flu 763 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: goes through and it kills a bunch of you and 764 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,759 Speaker 1: so uh, and then a big fight and but you know, 765 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: just mental health issues that people are grappling with because 766 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, malnutrition and whatnot. And what we actually did 767 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,200 Speaker 1: is we looked back at the at the Dark Ages, 768 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: the Middle Ages, and what people don't understand, rarely understand, 769 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: is that suicide was rife through the Dark Ages. It was. 770 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 1: It was so bad in the Dark Ages that, if 771 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,400 Speaker 1: you think about it, the Catholic Church, who was a 772 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: predominant religion at that time throughout Europe, came out with 773 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,440 Speaker 1: an eatict that said you've got to stop committing suicide. 774 00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: And then they made it so extreme that they said, 775 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,879 Speaker 1: if you commit suicide, you're going straight to hell. There's 776 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,040 Speaker 1: no repentance. Now you're going straight to health. So that 777 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,400 Speaker 1: was the extreme measures. It was taking place because it 778 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 1: was happening all over, because we had the plagues were happening. 779 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: We're in there was a mini ice age that had 780 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 1: taken place, There was pestilence, there were starvation that coincided 781 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 1: with these plagues, and so we took a snapshot of 782 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:36,200 Speaker 1: that and put that into into White waste Land. We 783 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 1: studied a lot about the Spanish flu and how people 784 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 1: reacted for that, and then some of the some of 785 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,319 Speaker 1: the trickle down stuff that happened when people were we're 786 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: sick because they were wearing masks that were dirty and 787 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 1: so bacterial pneumonia actually killed more people than the Spanish flu. 788 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: A bunch of people were being attributed to dying of 789 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: the Spanish flu, but there's bacterial pneumonia, so a bunch 790 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: of people in US is So anyways, we we tied 791 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: all that, tied all that together right now, I'd love it. 792 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: I love it. So it made for a pretty you 793 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: know what, We felt pretty realistic, interesting read. So well, 794 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,919 Speaker 1: what I was gonna say, It's like when you turn 795 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: the alphabet from a B C D to a B 796 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,520 Speaker 1: C D E f G. You start to memorize it, 797 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,360 Speaker 1: you start to learn it, and you start to enjoy it. 798 00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: And so if you could take some of these things, 799 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 1: like you said, that are very technical on a piece 800 00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 1: of paper that technical people already know the technical paperwork, 801 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: but you put it into a format where rad is 802 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna read it and you want right around, and I 803 00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: could say, hey, I learned how to do this. Watch this? 804 00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:41,840 Speaker 1: How did you learn that? You know, It's like reading 805 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,880 Speaker 1: a book, you know, it was an interesting book that 806 00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: captivates you. It's a post apocalyptic and there's all these 807 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,360 Speaker 1: different scenarios that happened that takes place with the backdrop 808 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 1: of Utah as its landscapes, and you know, someone who 809 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,960 Speaker 1: is a nomad out there all the time looking, I 810 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: guess for the lost gold of the Southern Wars. I 811 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:07,319 Speaker 1: haven't found it yet. I'll let you know. I'm all 812 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,399 Speaker 1: over the desert. I'm like, what's in this mine? Hold 813 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: down here? Who's down there? Oh? Boy? You know you 814 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: know you don't, dude, Well, listen, I think that you 815 00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: should check out Jeff's books and his series of Black Autumn. 816 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you being on the show. And you know, 817 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 1: the circle is tight around us. I know people in 818 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: the circle you do, and uh and vice versa, and 819 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,040 Speaker 1: I would give him all a shout out, but this 820 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: is about you right now, and uh about the author 821 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 1: Jeff Kirkham. Well, thank you and as well. Yeah, congratulations 822 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:47,320 Speaker 1: on that. Well thanks, Yeah, it's been cool, man. Just constant, 823 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta constantly feed the machine or else 824 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: you get stagnant. Stagnant doesn't help anybody. So you got 825 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: the Green Beret mentality, bro, just like always educating yourself, right, 826 00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,439 Speaker 1: I give that. Like my dad was the same way 827 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: until he died. He was working on his PhDs doctorate, 828 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,160 Speaker 1: you know, so so you know and in human business, 829 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 1: human resource and business management. He had already a master's 830 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,480 Speaker 1: so then he was chasing the doctor. But he got 831 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,280 Speaker 1: sick and you know that took him down. And but again, 832 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,680 Speaker 1: you know, he always had that drive and he instilled that. 833 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: He's like always chase more. So, we appreciate you, Jeff, 834 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: I do well, thank you, man. I appreciate it's always 835 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 1: always a blast. Chatting with you for sure. Well, thank you, 836 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,359 Speaker 1: and I think I'll let you get back to your 837 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: busy day today and I'm going to take off and 838 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,719 Speaker 1: go take care of other things. And so I really 839 00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,680 Speaker 1: want to say thanks for joining me on this episode 840 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,960 Speaker 1: of Software Radio. You've been a fantastic guest friend, and 841 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: so I want to look up to so you know 842 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,880 Speaker 1: in this in the business world. Bro, I know your resume, 843 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: so I look up to it. So thanks again for 844 00:46:51,680 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: joining us. Thank you, and peace use them. Listening to 845 00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: self red Radio