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Speaker 1: If you thought four hours a day, minutes a week

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Speaker 1: takes break free for something special. The fifth Hour with

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Speaker 1: Ben Maller starts right now that it does. The weekend

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Speaker 1: is here. We are eating the air everywhere coast to coast,

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Speaker 1: border to border and beyond the power of podcasting eight

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Speaker 1: days a week now because four hours or not enough

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Speaker 1: on the overnight. And this is a special, not interview,

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Speaker 1: but we like having people we we somewhat know or

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Speaker 1: yet again by David gascon West of the four oh five.

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Speaker 1: He's right over there and he's with this again as

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Speaker 1: he is most weekends. Almost every weekend. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I'd like to to give a special shout out to

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Speaker 1: UH to myself. Uh, it's my anniversary, right, it's Uh.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know you were married. Yeah, no idea. I

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Speaker 1: said that David Gascon will be the Andrew Luck of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. I will abruptly just quit and leave in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the year. And I have now made

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Speaker 1: it one year graduation podcast. Give me another fucking round

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Speaker 1: of applause. Wow, what a deuce. Tend you the deuces

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Speaker 1: right there? Let me do you know what. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: give you a golden ticket. Congratulations, you get it all

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Speaker 1: the ticket, And I'm gonna give you a lifetime supply

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Speaker 1: of nothing, which I think this podcast is providing you.

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Speaker 1: So you gotta lifetime supply of nothing and a trip

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Speaker 1: is long. It's only eligible until Nowhere, Oklahoma opens up

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Speaker 1: now because of California. I will also bring my fire suits. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: Like every little kid, you want to be a police officer,

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Speaker 1: like I'm surrounded by fire. I am surrounded. It is

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Speaker 1: Is crazy living in California these days, and the you

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Speaker 1: because of gender reveals. Um, like, what else could go

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Speaker 1: wrong in this fucking aar Uh. We don't ask gascon

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Speaker 1: serious exam and twitch to to what now? The nothing?

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Speaker 1: Right now? You know? Da, I'm not, I'm just you know,

427
00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,480
Speaker 1: like I'm I told you, I stared on I'm not

428
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: soured on sports because I'm I was was fired from

429
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: two jobs. I just think that the way sports has

430
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 1: conducted itself this year and again they can do whatever

431
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 1: they want. I don't care if they want to protest.

432
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't care if they want to kneel. It's not

433
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 1: about that stuff they want to Neil, Neil. I just

434
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 1: think that the way the sports had now become. Go

435
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: back to nine eleven and you guys were around, andrews

436
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 1: Ceciliano and I were doing the morning show with Fox

437
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: Sports Radio, and you know, we were goofing off and

438
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 1: then we got serious because the world was coming going crazy.

439
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: So I don't how to deal with tragedy. I know

440
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 1: how to deal with things that are important, to get

441
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 1: serious when it's time. But now we was here about

442
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,160
Speaker 1: fast for in almost twenty years, nineteen years exactly later,

443
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, sports which was the break divide,

444
00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: which was the great thing that brought us back. Remember

445
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: nine eleven happens. People are all in sports shows and

446
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,000
Speaker 1: we wanted to find out what was going on. Is

447
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: it's still safe to fly? Is it's still safe to

448
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: do this? And then what was the one thing people

449
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: were waiting to come back? Sports? We wanted sports to

450
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: come back so we can escape the world of politics

451
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: and wars and all this other stuff. Now you're fast

452
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: forward because the political world has gone crazy and everybody's

453
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: gonna take a side now all of a sudden, sports

454
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 1: is dividing us. Sports is not the place we go

455
00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: to to feel good about ourselves. The only people watching

456
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: sports that are gambling degenerous. And that's fine, and you're

457
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: rooting for your teams, that's all good. But the bottom

458
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: line is sports was a way to get away from

459
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: the noise. Comedy shows were a way to get away

460
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 1: from the real world. Now you put on a comedy

461
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,680
Speaker 1: show and you put on sports and you can't get

462
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: away from this stuff. That's the thing to me that's

463
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: the most disappointing, and it's sort of soured me. I

464
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 1: don't hate sports, I just don't. I don't feel as

465
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 1: excited as I did. And this is way prior to

466
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: this incident. It's just that I think sports and everybody

467
00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 1: is so obsessed with politics, and you know, we've got

468
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: to root for well Off, We've got a room for

469
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: Biden that they're getting away from the purpose of what

470
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: they're doing. They're playing games to entertain us, and when

471
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: people aren't entertained, and you see the ratings that I

472
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: don't tell people not to watch. I don't tell people

473
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 1: don't watch sports, don't support the NFL, hate Lebron. I

474
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,600
Speaker 1: just give my own opinions. And the problem now, as

475
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: you guys know, when you give your own opinion, you

476
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: can't give an opinion if the majority of people don't

477
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Speaker 1: agree with it. That's the amazing part of the so

478
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: called free speech era, when we should have more free

479
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 1: speech than ever, and now we have less free speech

480
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: than ever. So what do you think happens after November

481
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: the third? I have no idea. I mean, I don't know.

482
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's gonna be riots. I don't

483
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: know if Trump wins are gonna be riots, if Biden wins,

484
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: things calmed down. I have no idea. I just know

485
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: that I can't wait till listen so hard, and if

486
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: our politics a long time, I'm there to do five presidents.

487
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: So and I used to do local reporting on covered elections,

488
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: so I was a political science major. That doesn't make

489
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Speaker 1: me a political expert. I would consider myself a little

490
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: more political savvy than a lot of people who yell

491
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: at me on Twitter because they don't agree with my

492
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: political views. I mean, even now people say, you know,

493
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Speaker 1: I don't agree with you politically, Tony, but I think

494
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: they did. I don't care if you agree with the politically.

495
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a political guy. I don't make a dime

496
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Speaker 1: from politics. I don't represent any political party. You've never

497
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 1: been a Republican and I've been a Democrat, but I

498
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: don't care about either party. So it's if everybody has

499
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: to pigeon tell you into being you're a guy, and

500
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: you're a Trumpster, Oh my god, you're a right wing

501
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: How can you be on the radio that kind of

502
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: idiotic mindset that's out there where it doesn't matter anymore

503
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: what you think, and and they you may just won't

504
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: be in the k k K. The way people treat

505
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: somebody that they disagree with anymore, it's absolutely absurd. Well

506
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: and Tony to spin off that, and and obviously everyone

507
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: is doing sports radio as you happen about what's gonna

508
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: happen with sports? You know, when when with the ratings

509
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: and all that, what is your gut? You've been around

510
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 1: a long time, you're like, what's the end game on?

511
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: This is my theory to and I want to run

512
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: this bace. So my theory is that the real litmus

513
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: tests is gonna be when fans are allowed back in

514
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: the stadiums, because I have a feeling that the players

515
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 1: kneeling and all the activism fans in in the stadium

516
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 1: are not gonna be receptive for this. In certain cities,

517
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna be there's gonna be blowback, And to me,

518
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: that's the ultimate test on how long this continues, because

519
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: it's one thing to kneel if you're in an empty

520
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 1: arena and no one's booing you. But it's gonna be

521
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: different once you have the stadiums opened up again after

522
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: the pandemic and people are there and can react to it.

523
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: And and we saw with the Kaepernick thing in twos

524
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: sixteen that there were booze reigning down for NFL players.

525
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: What do you do you think that's gonna happen? Number one?

526
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: And number two, how will the sports world react to it? Well?

527
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 1: I think the sports world. I mean, people will come

528
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 1: back once once the pandemics run, hopefully at will once

529
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: they start. But they're gonna put people in the stands

530
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: in some of these games. And it seems like everybody's

531
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,119
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. The first couple of home games

532
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: in the NFL and particular you know, they're they're not

533
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 1: gonna allow fans in most cities, and then they're gonna

534
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: start bringing fans in and that's you know, It's like

535
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: everything else will eventually get back to normal. I don't

536
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: know what the new normal is, because we did on

537
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: nine eleven. Everything changed to the way we get on airplanes,

538
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: the way we travel, where we go. So the world

539
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: is always changing. So I don't have a problem with change.

540
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen. Do I think people

541
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 1: will still be upset if if guys neil, Yeah, the

542
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: people who are upset with that, do I care whether

543
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: they kneel or not know. I have a flag of

544
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: my dad sitting right in front of me that was

545
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: handed to me when he was buried as a military

546
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: veteran who served in World War Two and jumped out

547
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: of airplanes. So I don't want any lectures from NBA

548
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: players or hockey players, or football players or baseball players

549
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: on about what it means to be an American and

550
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: what the flag means to me. But I don't put

551
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 1: that out there and tell everybody you don't have a

552
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: right to your opinion. You can disagree, you can hate

553
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 1: the flag, you can hate the country. I just love

554
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 1: the country. My mom's an immigrant. She's still alive. God

555
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: bless her at she knows what she's been through more

556
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: than any book you can ever imagine when you think

557
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: about things going through time and all the changes in

558
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: the world. So do I fans will go back. Absolutely,

559
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: don't think fans will still watch sports. Absolutely, as long

560
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: as they're gambling, as long as they're fans who whose

561
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: teams are doing well, because it still will be an escape.

562
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: We'll get through all this nonsense and then people will

563
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: get back to normal. Hopefully, that's what I want. I

564
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: don't want sports to go out of business. I don't

565
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: want the NBA to fold. I just know that there

566
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: are a lot of people suffering out there, and the

567
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 1: people were suffering are not the athletes who are still

568
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: signing gazillion dollar contracts every day and complaining about what

569
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: their hotel accommodations are in Orlando. Those are the people

570
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: that don't get it when you're complaining about your room

571
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: in Orlando. When people have no businesses, that have lost

572
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: their rightlihood and are depressed and are killing themselves and

573
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 1: taking drugs to try to get through life, nobody wants

574
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,119
Speaker 1: to hear athletes complaining about hotel A combinations. That's just

575
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: normal common sense that has nothing to do with politics

576
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: and has to do with human nature. I don't, I don't.

577
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't realize people suffering. I don't. You know they're

578
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: joking around about the cowboys losing, and you say, yeah,

579
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: the cowboys, Well, that's not the kind of victory all

580
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing. We're seeing. Yeah, your business went out, and

581
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: you're a bad guy. I hope you brought up business.

582
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna come down there and beat you up. I'm

583
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: gonna burn down your business because I'm mad at something.

584
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: That's the kind of lunacy I never thought we'd see

585
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: in this country. Yeah, I'm right there with you. Tone,

586
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and and and the other you

587
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: were it was speaking over Orlando. You were there? What

588
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,120
Speaker 1: was it like traveling during the I guess it's still

589
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: the pandemic, right, it's still going on. Yeah, it was great.

590
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean the plane was empty and everybody, what are

591
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: you doing? You crazy? You're going to a Lando, Florida.

592
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: Do you realize you're gonna die? How are you gonna

593
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: get on an airplane? You know? I got on an

594
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: airplane safe. I had a mask, I had everything. I

595
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: had an aseptic, I had everything else that I needed.

596
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,719
Speaker 1: I got on a plane, the plane was half empty.

597
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: We landed, I got into a rental car, was all sanitized.

598
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: I went to Disney, got into a hotel. It was

599
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: all plane. Everything's marked off six ft apart all the

600
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: and you know, Disney is gonna do it right. They're

601
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: not gonna put people in danger. So it was absolutely great.

602
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: And it was the aerie, but there was nobody there.

603
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm walking down Main Street, USA and those a Disney World,

604
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: not in disney Land, which I love too when I

605
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: lived in l A. But I thought it was one

606
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: of those rare instances we get to go to a

607
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: place and and actually go on the line, do not

608
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: have to stand in line for two hours. So while

609
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: it was weird, it was also one of those wild

610
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: I'll never be able to do this again. Go to

611
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: a vacation and you know, people, what do you go

612
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: to the I love Disney. I love going to Disney.

613
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: Plus I love getting away from stuff and love seeing

614
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: people happy in families. I don't I don't. I don't

615
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: get my joys watching people suffer. So it was really

616
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: interesting and it was a great week. The weather was hot,

617
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: went to Universal and did the kind of things that

618
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: I like to do as a sixty year old kid

619
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: at heart, and so I thought it was very safe.

620
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: I thought, I feel good. I know nothing happened. I

621
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: know everything was clean, everything was sanitized, and they would

622
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: give you a little squirt in your hands when you're

623
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: getting on a ride. When you got off, you got

624
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: another square to sanitizer. You had to wear a mask.

625
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: So you do the right things and you live your life.

626
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: And the people who were freed are the ones who

627
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: were making the world words of me, like, you can

628
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: be afraid, you can be afraid. You don't have to travel.

629
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: Nobody's telling you to do you know, I know in

630
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: California they're talking about that. They talked about there's not

631
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: gonna be any trick or treating in l A. And

632
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden I saw earlier, Oh, now

633
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: they reversed it. We're not gonna tell people they can't

634
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: trick or treat, but if they want to, we don't

635
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: recommend it. So at words, politicians are forcing people to

636
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 1: do what they think they should do, and people that

637
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 1: don't want that, well, we don't really, because you know

638
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Speaker 1: these people selling costumes, there's store selling candies. You know

639
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Speaker 1: this is a kids thing and the adults like it too.

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Speaker 1: So when we get into a world where politicians tell

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Speaker 1: us one that you characters, people are go crazy. What

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Speaker 1: is it we tell you that the dovers wanted to

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Speaker 1: tell us what to do? You want to think we

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Speaker 1: know what's says. Some people are irresponsible for the majority aren't.

645
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Speaker 1: So the majority should be the ones who tell these

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Speaker 1: idiots who run cities and states stop concerning our lives.

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Speaker 1: Let us be safe, let us be that's becally was

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Speaker 1: possible with one another. I think it's I think people

649
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Speaker 1: can do things safely, and I think our country is

650
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,719
Speaker 1: being wrecked by just a power hungry people who are

651
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: just trying to tell everybody to stay home, not watch sports,

652
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Speaker 1: not going to games. These conferences like the Big Tent,

653
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: who had to be ashamed, had to be shamed into

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Speaker 1: doing the right thing when they realized that they were

655
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Speaker 1: a bunch of idiots. And you guys know the Pact

656
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: well have been bought bunch of idiots all long before

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Speaker 1: the Big Ted was Tony, are you getting much or

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Speaker 1: do you see much engagement at least in your local community.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one thing for the sports teams to

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Speaker 1: take their initiatives and whatnot. We're talking about, you know,

661
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: their social injustice causes or what's going on with COVID,

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Speaker 1: But do you have people that are actually engaged in

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Speaker 1: your local area talking about, hey, we need to push

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Speaker 1: back a little bit against our local government to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we do get our businesses back up and running.

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Speaker 1: When you get people out and open and engaged again,

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00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: or is it are people just know? I think they

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00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: I think they are there. I obviously that you know.

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Speaker 1: Mind if I live in that neighborhood with there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of restaurants and stuff, and a a lot of them

671
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: are going out of business that won't come back. They

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Speaker 1: want to reopen safely, and some of them have and

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Speaker 1: when the city tells them here in Philly, the city

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Speaker 1: tells him you can't have outdoor dining. You know, those

675
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Speaker 1: people now what we're trying to do outdoor dining in

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Speaker 1: the summer. And then they finally took it upon themselves

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Speaker 1: and said, we're gonna take spots in the street and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna open up outside and everybody's gonna wear a

679
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: mask and then the city backed down. Now the city

680
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: is saying, you know you can't. We're not gonna open

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Speaker 1: up restaurants until the end of September now for indoor dining.

682
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Speaker 1: Yet there are other cities the mayor went to Merryland

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Speaker 1: to go to a restaurant. Any crowd cakes the mayor

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Speaker 1: of our city here and think somebody took a picture

685
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Speaker 1: of him, and now all of a sudden he's yelling

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Speaker 1: at them, just like Nancy Pelosi did yell at the

687
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: the stylist where she went in and got her hair done,

688
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: when everybody is supposed to be wearing masks of the

689
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: hypocrisy of politicians is a joke. And we have a

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Speaker 1: governor and a and a mayor here in Philly who

691
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: basically are telling people what they can and can't do.

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Speaker 1: And most people are reasonable. But when you start destroying

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Speaker 1: people's lives and livelihoods and you pay no consequences as

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00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: a result, they get angry. But the problem in Philly

695
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: is people worried about getting shot a night. I mean,

696
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: it's the big cities. There's mostly protest uh for whatever

697
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: else they think it is. But nobody's out there saying

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00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: we want our jobs back, or we want to open

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00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 1: our businesses, those protests are out allowed. But if you

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Speaker 1: want to go out there and loot and burn stuff

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00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: up because you're mad, Uh, you can do that a

702
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: party that doesn't spread any COVID or any of that

703
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Speaker 1: stuff in this town. And it's like that's in a

704
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: lot of cities, it's not just here. Yeah, So I

705
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: wanna go back to your your situation. So legally, I

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Speaker 1: don't know how much you can say and how much

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00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: you can't say. Uh, are you pursuing that Avenue Tony

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00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: as far as you know, trying to get something, uh

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Speaker 1: something back? I don't know what. I don't know how

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00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: to describe it. But is there a legal action pending

711
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: regarding your situation? Well, not against I mean, I I'm

712
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: not gonna I'm not a lawsuit crazy guy, but I've

713
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: got deep I've had lawyers contact me and say, you know,

714
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: what dead Spin did was not just journalism. It wasn't

715
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: just pointing out an injustice. I mean when they call

716
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: you a racist and they have the whole world coming out.

717
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: So I think that there's any litigation to pursue, it

718
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: would definitely be against dead Spin, But I have lawyers

719
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: looking at it as far as Serious and you know

720
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Speaker 1: Serious in sports Map Radio, which used to be sp Nation,

721
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: you know, they did what they had to do. I mean,

722
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: it's about you can't you gotta do a knee jerk thing,

723
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, because you're worried about you know, Serious has

724
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Speaker 1: a lot of different programming and they've got the NBA,

725
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: so they got to protect the n b A. I

726
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Speaker 1: understand that. So I'm not mad at Serious. I'm not

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Speaker 1: mad at Sports Map. That's the world we live in

728
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: right now. But you know, I know again I'm not

729
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: doing one about it. And but I know there's a

730
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: lot of people who are on the air. We've had

731
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: multiple chances that have done far more heinous things than

732
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Speaker 1: I've ever done, and so I just worked there. It's

733
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: only justice for all, you know, everybody's called about everybody's

734
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: gonna be equal. I want to quality. Well, there isn't

735
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Speaker 1: justice for all. And again I accept the consequences of

736
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: my actions and I lost my job. But as far

737
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 1: as people being accountable for the kind of hit jobs

738
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Speaker 1: and the kind of things that the dead spins of

739
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Speaker 1: the world do, I don't think they should get away

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Speaker 1: with it. And we'll see what happens, Tony. We're gonna

741
00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: wrap this up, but I gotta tell you, I mean,

742
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: I we have a lot of a lot of my

743
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: guys listen to you, and they loved your show on

744
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: seriously've listened to you over the years, and they've been

745
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: reaching out to me and they'd be like, Hey, you

746
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: gotta get Tony on. I'm so glad you did this

747
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Number one, number two. I hope that you can come

748
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: back at some point, you take a break and recharge

749
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: and do something down the line. Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: a chance that you will come back, maybe in a

751
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: couple of months or in a year from now, that

752
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: you'll do something in the radio or podcasting world. I

753
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: have no idea. I had a tres still have a

754
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: twist chattle, but I haven't going on the air because

755
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go back on this week and

756
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: just go on the air and start crazy, going crazy

757
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: and having people call me and and you know, and

758
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: have a pity party. I don't want to do that.

759
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to bash serious or bashed sports map radio.

760
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: That's not what I want to do. You know, I'm

761
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: not a guy who's I appreciate every opportunity I've ever had,

762
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: so I figured it was better not to not to

763
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: do a show and have people call in and you know,

764
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: and just rip everybody. And you know, it's not my

765
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: style of criticized bat it's top sports. You know, we

766
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,439
Speaker 1: talked about sports and stuff. We always do that because

767
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: that's fun. That's the fun part of what we do.

768
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: But the Malla Miller, you know, you've got a couple

769
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: of guys in there to come after me every once

770
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: in a while. Well, I think for the most part

771
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 1: they're good people. But I don't know. You've got a

772
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: couple of them, Ben that don't seem to like my

773
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: my style, and uh, you know that's the way it is.

774
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: They're allowed they're not like me. Well, I don't know

775
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 1: who those people are. I love you, Tony, and uh,

776
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: you you're the You're the o G, the patriarch. You

777
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: started ESB at radio Fox Sports Radio. That is an

778
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: unbelievable resume. Man. Listen, good luck, Tony. I hope you

779
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 1: if you if you decide to sue, I hope you'll win.

780
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: And you should write a book. Also, you should do that.

781
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: But get back on the podcast, get on that Twitch channel, Tony.

782
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: The people want to hear you. Get back and talk.

783
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: Do your thing, man. I don't care right now. Let's

784
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: just start watching sports. Let's get the NFL season going,

785
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 1: Let's get some college games going. Let's try to find

786
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: something that we can, you know, come together about it

787
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: sports and have fun and laugh and enjoy life. You

788
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: got to enjoy life, man. If you can't enjoy it,

789
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: you know, then that's sitting around being miserable every day.

790
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: That doesn't make you feel good, you want. I always

791
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: try to find things that make me happy and laugh.

792
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: I don't look for negatives stuff. Negative stuff finds me.

793
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: That's the problem. All right, Thank you Tony, say Adam,

794
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: miss Robin for me to take care alright, Ben, love

795
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: you man, Dave, thank you so much. Guys, thank for

796
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: having my back. Be sure to catch live editions of

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Speaker 1: The Ben Miller Show weekdays at two am Eastern eleven

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Speaker 1: pm Pacific