1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. If you ever come 2 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: in contact with someone that works in forensics, a specifically 3 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: medical legal death investigation and they tell you that they've 4 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: seen it all, or that they've seen everything, don't walk 5 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:43,160 Speaker 1: run away from them because they're lying. No one ever 6 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: sees everything. There's too many variables. You've got geography, you've 7 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: got modes of death, you've got circumstances, but most of all, 8 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: you've got individuals, and all of those pieces come into 9 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: play and they make each case unique. But there are 10 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: those events that mark you as a death investigator, those 11 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: of us that I think that some people think that 12 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: we're imbued with some kind of supernatural strength because we're 13 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: around death all the time. There are those events that 14 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: cross our paths over the years that do in fact 15 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: mark us that we can't quite seem to escape even 16 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: in our dreams. Today, I'm thinking about investigators in Knoxville, Tennessee, 17 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: specifically Knox County and a case that occurred back in 18 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five, and how many of those people might 19 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: be retired by now. But I can guarantee you this, 20 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: when they close their eyes at night, they can still 21 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: see this crime scene and they can still see the 22 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 1: body of Colleen Slimmer. Today, we're going to talk about 23 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: one of the most brutal homicides that ever took place 24 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: in that part of Tennessee. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and 25 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: this is Body Bags David. I had been doing some 26 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 1: reading and came across something the other day that really 27 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: caught my attention. You know, you and I spent a 28 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,799 Speaker 1: lot of time researching cases. And the reason it's kind 29 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: of popped onto my radar, I think was the fact 30 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: that it involved the only woman on Timnessee death row, 31 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: and that was, you know significant, She's the only person 32 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: that his own death row. She was placed on death row. 33 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: I think she was actually convicted when she was nineteen, 34 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: but the event happened when she was eighteen. But that's 35 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: that's not the only thing that drew me to this 36 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: case from a forensic standpoint. And I began to read 37 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: because I had not heard of this case. When I 38 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: began to read and I came across these three words, asphalt, 39 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 1: box cutter, and pentagram, I couldn't help myself. I had 40 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: to read about this case, and you know, there's certain 41 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: things that you wish she had never read, but I 42 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: felt like that we needed to tell this tale because 43 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: this case, her case, this lady on death row, this 44 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: case has come back into the news just recently because 45 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: she she's trying to get her case. She's trying to 46 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: get off death row, essentially, is what's happening. 47 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: She's trying to have her sentence changed because of her 48 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: age at the time the crime was committed. 49 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. You can't take the measure of what 50 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: this poor victim went through. And that's what body bags 51 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: is about, Dave. That's what it's about the victims. It's 52 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: not about the perpetrators. The perpetrators are means to an 53 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: end to tell the stories of the victims. And this 54 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: poor young lady, she was purely a victim. 55 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: Christa Pike was eighteen. Colleen Slimmer, the victim, was nineteen. 56 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: To Darryl's ship, that's another name we need to throw 57 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: in here, he was seventeen. Now let me share you 58 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: very quickly, the reason we've been talking about this case 59 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: is because to Darryl's Ship was boyfriends with Christa Pike. 60 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: Christa Pike was eighteen to Darryl's ship seventeen when they 61 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 2: committed this heinous crime together. Colleen Slimmer was nineteen and 62 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 2: they were all part of Job Corp. Krista Pike had 63 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: dropped out of high school and floated around joined Job war. 64 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: This is an abused girl. I'm not going to justify anything. 65 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 2: I'm just pointing out that Christa Pike had an upbringing 66 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: of the worst kind. She was abused in every way 67 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: that it's possible, and her mother had her using drugs 68 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: before she was a teenager. I only say that as 69 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 2: knowing a little background. She's in Job Corps. It's now 70 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five and Colleen Slimmer signs a two year 71 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 2: deal to be with Job Corps. Now in that Job 72 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 2: Corp in Knoxville, Christa Pike and to Daryl Ship hooked up. 73 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: They became boyfriend girlfriend, and Krista Pike was jealous of 74 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: Colleen Slimmer. She thought Colleen was putting the moves on 75 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: her boyfriend, and Christa Pike started harassing Colleen Slimmer. It 76 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: got so bad that Colleen actually called home and said, Mom, 77 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: I got to get out of here. I've got to 78 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: come home please, And she said, you can't hear you 79 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: signed it to your contract you've. 80 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: Got to do it. 81 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 2: So Christa Pike to Darryls Ship and another person get 82 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 2: together and they invite Colleen Slimmer out, say hey, we 83 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: want to bury the hatchet. We stopped the abuse, stop 84 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: the harassment. We're going to let's go over here. We're 85 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: going to go out in the woods. We're going to 86 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 2: smoke some weed like a peace pipe. That's what we're 87 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: going to do. That's how they lured Colleen Slimmer out 88 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: of the dorm that January twelfth, nineteen ninety five. They 89 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: lure her to an area of the campus Tennessee campus 90 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: in Knoxville, and it was a very out of the 91 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: way area where they could then beat. This attack took 92 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: thirty to forty minutes, according to Christapike. Now, Joe, you 93 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: mentioned a slab of asphalt, a box cutter, pentagram. When 94 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: Colleen Slimmer had been lured out there, it was to 95 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: be attacked by Krista Pike and to Daryl Ship joined in. 96 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 2: The beating took thirty to forty minutes, and during that 97 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: time Slimmer taunted, beat, slashed, and carved with a box 98 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: cutter and a meat cleaver. A mini meat cleaver was 99 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 2: used in the attack, they abused Colleen Slimmer at nineteen 100 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: years old, to the point where it was so vicious 101 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: and evil. They carved a pentagram into her chest. And 102 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: then when she wouldn't die, Krista Pike said, the beat 103 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: won't die, I want to see her brains flow. So 104 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: she grabbed a slab of asphalt and slammed it down 105 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: onto the head multiple times on Colleen Slimmer until her 106 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: brains flowed out of her head. Then Krysta Pike, as 107 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: a super near, took a chunk of that skull from 108 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 2: Colleen Slimmer and the three people walked back to the dorm, 109 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: went back to bed, and the next morning went to 110 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: breakfast and christ the Pike showed off that piece of 111 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 2: skull just people in the job corps and told them 112 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: what she had done, told them what it was. Can 113 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: you imagine what kind of person could do that? 114 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:33,760 Speaker 1: Well? I think that it's the kind of person that 115 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: a defense attorney would argue was not in their right mind. 116 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: And of course the jury at the time didn't see 117 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: it that way. As a matter of fact, they they 118 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: held her fully responsible regardless of what kind of upbringing 119 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: she had had, how much trauma she had endured, and 120 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: the way they were in I'm obviously no attorney don't 121 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: want to be. They had held that there's no delineation 122 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: between brain maturity between the ages of seventeen, which makes 123 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: you a juvenile, and eighteen, which gives you adult status. Okay, 124 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 1: and look, yeah, that's you know, that's arguable. I suppose however, 125 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: there has to be a delineation. It somewhere in time 126 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: in the state of Tennessee has set that delineation at eighteen. 127 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: And the reason this battle has come out is because, 128 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 2: as we said, she Christa. Pike has tried to get 129 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 2: her death sentence removed. Now, by the way, at this taping, 130 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: it's been twenty nine years, twenty nine years since the 131 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: murder of Colleen Slimmer. The victim was nineteen. It's been 132 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 2: twenty nine years, Joe, and this woman is still on 133 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 2: death row. She's lived, yes, she's still and she's arguing 134 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: that she'd the argument as well to Darryl Ship, who 135 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: was also there and also did contribute to the beating. 136 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 2: He was seventeen at the time of the murder and 137 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: his sentence was life in prison with the possibility of 138 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 2: parole after twenty five years something along those lines were 139 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 2: plus twenty five years. Yeah, okay, sentence to life with 140 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: the possibility of parole, whereas Krista Pike was sentenced to death, 141 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: and that's the argument. He was seventeen, she was eighteen. Now, 142 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: the other person that was with him I mentioned, I 143 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 2: didn't deal with her a lot. Shadola Peterson was nineteen 144 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 2: at the time. She turned state's witness and received probation 145 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 2: in the case. I don't agree with that, but that's 146 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: another day for a lawyer to deal with. But she did. 147 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 2: She walked away. I've read through all of Christoph Pike's 148 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: statement on what she claims happened, and Joe. Usually when 149 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: I read a case and I see the statement by 150 00:09:56,200 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 2: the suspect, I think it's probably fifty percent accurate, and 151 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: it's less than what I would expect. This was the 152 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: most difficult thing I've ever read. 153 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it literally, it literally makes vomit rise up in 154 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: your throat as you're that's really forgive me for saying that, 155 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: but that's really the only way I could actually describe it, 156 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: because you're talking about a fellow human being that is 157 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: capable of doing this and gloats over it essentially and 158 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: fully admits that she didn't she didn't run from it. 159 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: And when you think about the horror that was inflicted 160 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: upon this poor victim, Colleen, there was actually one moment 161 00:10:41,800 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: during this attack where this person looks around at the 162 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: others that are there and she says, forgive me, but 163 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 1: she says this, this bitch just won't die, you know, 164 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: And so she's fully aware of what she is doing. 165 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: As matter of fact, going back to, you know, the 166 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: instruments that were used here, you can argue that that 167 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: the that the asphalt was probably there. It's a weapon 168 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: of what we referred to as a weapon of opportunity 169 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: or a weapon of convenience is a common term that 170 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: she used. But do you walk around, Dave with a 171 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: meat cleaver in your back pocket? Do you? I mean? 172 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: And I guess if you work at a grocery store, 173 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: which I did when I was a kid doing stock 174 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: I carried a box cutter with me everywhere I went. 175 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: Most people don't, you know, but they came with a 176 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 1: box cutter in hand. They're working for job corps. Maybe 177 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: they had jobs as stockers. I don't know. They had 178 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: access to a box cutter, but they purposed to go 179 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: out there with it. And you know, one of the 180 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: things that she that Pike had alluded to in here 181 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: is that you said, you know, the peace pipe. They 182 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: they were going to smoke weed while they were out there. 183 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: And this is actually the location on campus. On campus 184 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: is adjacent to the old steam plant at ut and 185 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: it is isolated. I saw something quite fascinating in one 186 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: of the newsreels from the time back then, which was 187 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: kind of interesting to see within I think it was 188 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: about within twenty four hours of this having been processed. 189 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: The scene. The reporter was standing on the very location 190 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: it was not locked down, standing on the very location 191 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: where Colleen's body had been found, and he walks over Dave, 192 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: and this was like kind of this incredible moment. He's 193 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: standing there and Dave, there is a pile of fractured asphalt, 194 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 1: and he walks over and he says, this is where 195 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: the asphalt came from. And he reaches down, he picks 196 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: up a chunk of asphalt and he holds it up 197 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: and he said, they crushed your skull with a piece 198 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: of asphalt. Similar to this. It's probably from that same grouping. 199 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,199 Speaker 1: You know that it was all busted up. It was 200 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: an old road and they just kind of dumped the 201 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: stuff back there, but they took her back there with 202 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: the specific aim of taking her life and not just 203 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: taking her life. It's one thing to take someone's life, 204 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: but it's altogether another thing to torture them, and in 205 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: Colleen's case, that's what they did. When my memoir came 206 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: out a few years ago, Blood Beneath My Feet, my 207 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: publisher was kind of an off the beaten path publisher 208 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: with the referred to as a boutique publisher, but he 209 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: was well known in Hollywood and famously, you know, published 210 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that other people would not touch 211 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: because of the nature of it. And I had kind 212 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: of an uncomfortable moment because he had the publisher had 213 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:25,479 Speaker 1: actually befriended Anton Levey and had re published the Satanic 214 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: Bible some years back. I was like, Oh Lord, what 215 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: have I gotten myself into? And all I could see 216 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: at that moment in time was my book about death 217 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: and my life around death being associated with Satanic Bible. 218 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: And of course, you know, publishers publish all kinds of things. 219 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't mean anything, but the idea of 220 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: a pentagram kind of entering into this and entering into 221 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: this particular case, it made me reflective for a moment 222 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: the day that I found out some of the other 223 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: works that have been published by this company, and I 224 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: was thinking, what drives someone to take what has been 225 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, declared essentially, I guess, by the Church of 226 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Satan as the symbol of Satanism. What would cause a 227 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: young woman, what would give her the thought in her mind? 228 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: What would be the motivation for taking a box cutter 229 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: which has got roughly if you've never seen a box cutter, 230 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: the blade on it at its greatest thing is diagonal 231 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: in shape. It's got a very sharp point on it. 232 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: But the blade surface itself is only about an inch 233 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 1: and a half in length most of the time, and 234 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: there's more of the blades inside of the device. It's 235 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: got to handle with. It's actuated by the thumb. You 236 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: can kind of press it out and then once one 237 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: gets toulen, you kind of, you know, unscrew it and 238 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: then re engage with a new blade very sharp initially. 239 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: But how do you feel comfortable enough, I think, to 240 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: not only carve onto another human beings body, But what 241 00:15:55,600 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: are you trying to say by taking this young woman 242 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: and carving a pentagram not only into her forehead but 243 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: also onto her chest. David, it's just it's beyond the pail. 244 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 2: There are several things when you pointed this story out 245 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 2: to me, but back to the pentagram. When I was 246 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 2: telling you about Christa Pike and her upbringing, alluding to 247 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 2: having a rough childhood, it led her down a path 248 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: that was not your typical eighteen year old female at 249 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 2: the time, and seventeen year old to Darryl Ship susceptible 250 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: to a strong woman who they dabbled in the occult. 251 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: They had dabbled in Satanism. They had dabbled in these things. 252 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: I say dabbled because that's the only way one can 253 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: explain to young people of difficult backgrounds getting together and 254 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 2: you know, doing drugs and looking at things thinking it's 255 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: cool to you know, worship Satan or whatever it is 256 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 2: they were trying to do. But there are a couple 257 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 2: things you mentioned. Torture and when you were talking about 258 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 2: the reporter being able to get out there on the 259 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 2: crime scene the next day, they were able to find 260 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 2: that during this torture, during this beating, that two different 261 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 2: times Colleen Slimmer was able to get up and run 262 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 2: from them and was able to get away far enough 263 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 2: that they ripped her shirt off. That's when they carved 264 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 2: the pentagram in. But more than that, it was to 265 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 2: humiliate her. 266 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, and absolutely right. 267 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: There were away from her body, thirty feet from her body, 268 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: thirty feet from where her body was found. They found 269 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 2: a blood pool where she had I don't know if 270 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 2: she expired there, and then they drug her body. But 271 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: there was so much physical evidence in that area. That's 272 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 2: why I'm shocked to even think that a reporter was 273 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: standing in the midst of it. That they had cleared 274 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: the crime scene so quickly. But when the body was found, 275 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: the yard serviced individuals that he didn't even think it 276 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 2: was a person. He thought it was an animal carcass 277 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: until he got closer. 278 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: And I've seen and I think you may have too. 279 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: I saw the crime scene images here. And as a 280 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: matter of fact, when when she's observed, when Colleen is observed, 281 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,560 Speaker 1: when you take that, you know there's a couple of 282 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: Just so people understand how we do photography at crime scenes, 283 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: we do what is referred to as macro views and 284 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: micro views, and kind of let me break that down 285 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: for you. If you imagine a compass being in the 286 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: center of the scene okay, north, south, east, and west. 287 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: We start off very very broadly. That's our macro shots, 288 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: and we will take images initially they're called overall shots 289 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: from all four points of the compass okay, to give 290 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: you orientation so that when because that moment is only frozen, 291 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: it's frozen for that moment. Tom when there, because the 292 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: remains are not going to be there forever. They're going 293 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: to be removed, and so you have to capture that. 294 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: It's part of documenting what we do. And then once 295 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: you've gotten those overall shots, you move in about half 296 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: the distance between that outer shot that you took those 297 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: overalls to about half the distance, and then you were 298 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: peat that process again, and then some people even come 299 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: in closer and then do the three hundred and sixty 300 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: degree thing again. And then you start to take microshots 301 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 1: where you're focusing in on individual pieces of evidence. You know, 302 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: you had mentioned the blood, for instance, there may have 303 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: been drag marks, there may have been bits of clothing. 304 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: You know they had talked about ripping her clothing off, 305 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: but when you see her, Dave, you can tell I 306 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: think the only way you could really describe her remains 307 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: is that she was pummeled. It looked as though she 308 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: had been beaten into the ground, and she was lying, 309 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,719 Speaker 1: And anybody in medicine kind of knows what I'm going 310 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: to say. She was in what's referred to as as 311 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: a left recumbent position, so that means that the left 312 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 1: side of her body was actually contacting the ground. Her 313 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: right leg is over her left, She's still wearing her jeans, 314 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: and her arms like almost like a final cry, are 315 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: extended up above her head, almost as if you know, 316 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,400 Speaker 1: she's pleading for no more. And the evidence itself that 317 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: when you begin to examine these injuries to her body, 318 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: they belie a sense of horror that generally cannot be 319 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 1: expressed to most people when you see it. Somebody had 320 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: talked at I think that was the news people. They 321 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: had said that she had sustained Initially they said multiple 322 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: stab wounds. Well, these are not stab wounds. These are 323 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: what we refer to as incized injuries. So when you 324 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: begin to see the difference between the way we define 325 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: a stab wound versus an incized wom a stab wound 326 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: is narrow and deep. Okay, So if you imagine a 327 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: knife being plunged into a body. An incized woon is 328 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: what many people refer to as a cut. It's a slice. Okay, 329 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: She's got multiple slices all of her body, and these 330 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: are not even part of the pentagram. Are slices, obviously, 331 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: but Dave, her throat was cut multiple times, and you've 332 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: got what are referred to as superficial in sized areas 333 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: that just go into what's referred to as the subcutaneous 334 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: layer of the skin. 335 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: But they refer to the gaping maw of her neck. 336 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 1: There is and here's the troubling thing about it. Let 337 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: me just so that I am just absolutely accurate with this, 338 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the images as we speak right now. 339 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: From what I can see, I'm counting in this one 340 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: view in addition to this, you use the term and 341 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: right you are gaping maw. I'm seeing one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 342 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: eight eight superficial. This is on her neck alone, though 343 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: I'm seeing eight superficial incized ones there. You know what 344 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: that means to me? That means that not only were 345 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: they trying to cut her throat, but they were torturing her. 346 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: Because this is a superficial event. If you wanted to 347 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: kill her, you could take that box cutter and drive 348 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: it into her throat and end her life pretty quickly. 349 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: That's not what happened, because she's got these marks in 350 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 1: addition to her neck, she's got them all over her chest, 351 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: she's got them all over her back, in addition to 352 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: these strikes that she sustained with the meat cleaver that's there, 353 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: which are chopping injuries. Those are completely different in appearance 354 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: than say, for instance, and then sized injury. And when 355 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: you see her body overall, remember I was referring to 356 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: the recumbent position, she almost Dave looks as though she's 357 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: blended into the ground. She's covered in blood. It doesn't 358 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: look human. So that her body doesn't look human upon 359 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: first glance. I can understand why this person Dave that 360 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: discovered her thought that this isn't this is this can't 361 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: be real. This can't be real what I'm saying. 362 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 2: Can you imagine when he actually described I went and 363 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 2: read what he said, and he talked about He said 364 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 2: it in such a way that you could understand he 365 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: was talking about it in the nicest way he could. 366 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 2: He said he didn't realize what he was looking until 367 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: he saw her breasts, and that's when he knew it 368 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 2: was a female, a young woman, and then he was horrified. 369 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 2: Until then he didn't have enough information to go on 370 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: to be mortified. You know what he is saying. But Joe, 371 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: take it the next step. Because you mentioned I didn't 372 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 2: realize how many cuts around the neck. I looked at 373 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: the pictures too. 374 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,959 Speaker 1: I wish you hadn't. I tell you the truth that 375 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: it's one of those things I hate. I feel guilty 376 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: because I've subjected you to it. You know, this is 377 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: the stuff that I've had to look at my whole life. 378 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 2: Here's the side of me that comes into this when 379 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 2: I read. The first thing I did is I read 380 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: the report on christ Pike asking for reconsideration of the 381 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: death penalty. Yeah, and I looked at that and I thought, well, 382 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 2: let's you know, when I was eighteen, I did some 383 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: stupid stuff too. But this isn't a stupid stuff. This 384 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 2: isn't a flight of fancy. This isn't I'm mad because 385 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: this girl upset me and trying to steal my boyfriend, 386 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna hurt her. I'm gonna you know that 387 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: this is a planned not even a chaotic even joke. 388 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: This was a planned murder. There was never any plan 389 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 2: for Colleen's slimmer to make it back to the dorm alive. 390 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 2: And I'm I'm sadden, to be honest with you that 391 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: that the witness who turned on him, Shadola, how they 392 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: gave her a free ride when they had all the information. 393 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 2: They didn't need Shadola Peterson to turn state's witness. They 394 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: already had this. You're talking about Christoph Pike. The very 395 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 2: next morning, Okay, the next morning, Joe, she's sitting at 396 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: the christ at the breakfast table with her other dorm 397 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: mates talking about this piece of skull is from Colleen's head, 398 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 2: I killed her last night. 399 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 1: And there she is displaying it as if it's some 400 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: kind of trophy. Well, upon further consideration, Dave, I have 401 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: to say, I don't know that this is so much 402 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: a case of someone dabbling in Satanism or the occult 403 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 1: as much as it is Satanism, because this is one 404 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: of the most sadistic homicides I've every born witness to. 405 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: I get all kinds of interesting phone calls, Dave, that 406 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: you can imagine I'll have people that will reach out 407 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,439 Speaker 1: to me because they I don't know, they have a 408 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: case they want me to look into, or I'll have 409 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: just the most bizarre questions that people might have regarding death. 410 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: And it's okay, you know, to get those questions because 411 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: people are curious. But I think probably the first time 412 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,919 Speaker 1: I ever got this question asked of me, and it 413 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: was not It had nothing to do with a phone call. 414 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: It had to do I was at a party and 415 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: I had someone walk up to me and say, say, hey, 416 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: Jos's wondering I'd read somewhere that you can donate your 417 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: body to the Body Farm at ut you know, like 418 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: a anatomical donation. I was like, yeah, I think you can, 419 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: actually do you know what that involves? You know, I'm 420 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: asking right quizzically. Oh yeah, yeah, we know that they 421 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: do the decay studies on bodies and this sort of thing. 422 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about this case that we're talking about today, 423 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: Colleen's case, is that, you know, it's it's not Stone's Throw, 424 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: but it's very close to actually the location of the 425 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: body Farm at ut And you did you know that 426 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: the body farm actually plays a role in this particular 427 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: case because arguably one of the best forensic anthropologists anywhere 428 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: in the world. I'd put him up against anybody in 429 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: the world actually was involved in this case. And it 430 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: had to do with that bit of skull that Pike 431 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: brought to the breakfast table with her that day. 432 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: I couldn't imagine what kind of person would think it 433 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: was a good thing. 434 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: You know. 435 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 2: The arrest on this case took thirty six hours because 436 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: of Pike, And so that's why I have such a 437 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 2: problem with Sadola Peterson being let go by turning state's witness. 438 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 2: But how did that piece of skull that christ of 439 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 2: Pike was showing off as a trophy, How did that 440 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: play into what took place at trial? 441 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: Well, it's significant because you know what you do. What 442 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 1: you do have here is you're displaying an anatomical uh, 443 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: an anatomical feature that's easily easily traced back to this 444 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 1: young woman's skull. And just imagine it's kind of like, uh, 445 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,239 Speaker 1: let me see, how can I put this? 446 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 2: Could they have traced it back to her at that time? 447 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 2: And could it? Could it? Is there a part of 448 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 2: bone that would actually be untraceable that you could say 449 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 2: I found this on the road. 450 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was actually gonna be much more simplistic. 451 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be I'm not going to talk 452 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 1: about anything as sophisticated as DNA here. But what what 453 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,479 Speaker 1: I'm what I was going to say is uh uh 454 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: it's it is truly like a jigsaw puzzle. And when 455 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: you have uh, this fracturing of the skull, and if 456 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: you can imagine, uh, Colleen skull looked like uh, it 457 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: looked like a fractured egg essentially with bits of the 458 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: shell missing. That's that's the easiest way that I can 459 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of describe that to a layman. And what happened 460 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: was was that a gentleman. And I urge anybody hearing 461 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: this please take a look at this guy. He's fascinating. 462 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: Doctor Murray Marx. He's a forensic anthropologist. I don't know 463 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: if he's still at you t or not, but he was. 464 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: He famously ran the body Farm after doctor Bass who 465 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: founded it doctor Bill Bass, Murray Marx took it over 466 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: and managed the body Farm. I don't know if Murray 467 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: is still there or not, but anyway, he became involved 468 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: in this case. And the key here is that they 469 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: wanted they the prosecution wanted to be able to demonstrate 470 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: I think not just the physical assemblage that they would have, 471 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, because it's very common for a forensic anthropologist 472 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: to take a fragment, it's goal or any other fragmented bone, 473 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: and they have this unbelievable skill set, David. They have 474 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: the patients of a watchmaker. They can take these little 475 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: particulate bits and bring them back together. It's amazing to watch. 476 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: And they I think that not only did they want 477 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 1: to anatomically place this bit of skull back in there, 478 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: but it was through this demonstration I think that they 479 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: were able to say, Okay, this is what they did 480 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: to calling, this is what they did. Not only did 481 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: they crush her skull, she sustained multiple fractures in her skull, 482 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: but they took a trophy as well, And we have 483 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: to begin to consider, you know, really what that means 484 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: in this case, and how does it factor into the 485 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: consideration as to whether or not she needs to be 486 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: on death row? You know, are there mitigating factors here? 487 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, because I'm not an attorney and I'm 488 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: certainly not a psychologist. What I do know is that 489 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: the physical evidence here demonstrates somebody that was very purposed 490 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: uh in accomplishing this task. You've got this poor young 491 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: girl that has been sliced all over her body. If 492 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: if these these photographs are just absolutely beyond the pale 493 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I can't believe that they're they're 494 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: actually you know, spinning about out there on the internet. 495 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: The depth of them, the amount of pain that would 496 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: have been associated just with those and yet she's not 497 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: you know what what this person said, She's not dying. Yeah, 498 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: she's not going to die from these superficial injuries that 499 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: you've inflicted. But it's going to cause such an amazing 500 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: amount of pain and in the last moments of Colleen's life. 501 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: That's why I use the term sadistic earlier. This it 502 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: goes to torture. It absolutely goes to torture. 503 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: Actually defined by Christa Pike. You know, I told you 504 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 2: how reading her statement of what took place, and it's 505 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 2: a very long statement. She exp she actually explains this 506 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: in living color, like she's reliving it as she gives 507 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 2: her statement to police, telling them what transpired. There were 508 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 2: several times in the beating process that lasted thirty to 509 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 2: forty minutes, and I think it might have lasted a 510 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 2: lot longer. Right, But you know this is from her 511 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: from Christa Pike's account, where she as soon as they 512 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: got to the area, Christa immediately starts pounding on her. Colleen. 513 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: She hits her in the head with her knee several times. 514 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 2: She is putting her knee her head on the ground 515 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 2: several times, and Colleen is screaming, why are you doing this? 516 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: Why are you doing this? And she's you know, because 517 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: of him, and they let her back up. She tried 518 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 2: to run, Colleen, or Christa said when she tried to 519 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 2: run away. He she didn't name him, but he, her boyfriend, 520 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 2: chased her down, brought her back. She again, she's getting pummeled, 521 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 2: she's getting hit, she's getting her head bashed in, she's 522 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: getting kicked. When she's on the ground, she's being kicked. 523 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 2: And she gets up and runs again. Again she has 524 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 2: caught and drug back. That's when one of the times 525 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: when she got up and ran, one of the cuts. 526 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 2: And this is Krista Pike said. The long cut on 527 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 2: her back was the second time she tried to run. 528 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 2: She cut her in the back because she was trying 529 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 2: to kill her then, but she wouldn't die. I look 530 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: at this over and over I've read this and I 531 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 2: can't think what kind of person Joe I mean, she 532 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: wants us to believe that she should be taken off 533 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 2: death row because it's been so many years that we're 534 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: supposed to forget her description of what she said she 535 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 2: did to this nineteen year old girl who did nothing 536 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 2: but want to be in job corps. She terrorized her 537 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: for weeks leading up to it, lured her into an 538 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 2: area where she could beat her. She had two friends 539 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: standing by to make sure the girl couldn't get away. 540 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: Then she beat her repeatedly out the head, the body. 541 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: She kicked her, she bruised her, and she cut her. 542 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: She used a mini meat cleaver, she used a box cutter, 543 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 2: and then when she wouldn't die, she threw us and 544 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: she couldn't move. She was laying on the ground, she 545 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 2: could no longer get up. She dropped a piece of 546 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 2: asphalt on her head to crush her skull to make 547 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 2: her brain come out, and then had the temerity to 548 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 2: grab a piece of that head and take it with 549 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 2: her as a trophy. 550 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: You know. And there's a statement that Pike may too 551 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: that is kind of a curious statement. She is quoted 552 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: as saying that I just felt mean that day? What what? 553 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: What is that? S What does that entail? You just 554 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: feel mean that day? Because I got to tell you 555 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: I've I've had I've been mean before in my life, 556 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: been mean to people. I think that many people in 557 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: our audience can understand that. But this is not This 558 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: is not being mean, all right. This is not something 559 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: that you slap your hands child for or put them 560 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: in the corner and say, don't do that. You're being 561 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: mean to your brother or your sister or whatever the 562 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: case might be. This is not mean. This is sadism, yes, 563 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: because you're you're looking, you're looking to torture someone. And 564 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I scoff at the saying, you know, 565 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: and it's it's wrote. People say it all the time. 566 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,959 Speaker 1: Hurting people hurt people, you know. I've heard that over 567 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: and over and again throughout my entire life. The problem 568 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: is is that hurting people hurt people. The hurt the 569 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: hurting people that are hurting people are rarely, if ever, 570 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: held accountable for their actions. 571 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 2: And I'd go further with that. If she didn't beg 572 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,960 Speaker 2: for her life, if Colleen Slimmer, if Christoph Pike didn't 573 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 2: report how she begged for her life. Christer Pike took 574 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 2: great pains to say that. Colleen Slimmer said, look, I 575 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,839 Speaker 2: won't tell anybody what you've done, just let me go. 576 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 2: Why she's kicking colleing. Krista Pike told Colleen stop talking 577 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 2: to me, shut up, and she said the reason she 578 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: told her to shut it's too hard to hurt somebody 579 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 2: when they're talking to you. 580 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that that's another factor that enters into this, 581 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: because you've got an individual that at that point in 582 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,919 Speaker 1: time she was incapable of mercy even though it's being 583 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,800 Speaker 1: asked of her. And that goes again to this idea. Okay, 584 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: well if we if we don't keep you on death row, 585 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: because I can only imagine that that date is approaching 586 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: quicker and quicker and quicker, you logic would dictate that 587 00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: it would have to be what are you going to do? 588 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: Are you going to turn her out into the general 589 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 1: population of the prison? I wonder how the other prisoners 590 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: would feel about that having her there, because you're talking 591 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: about somebody that is not capable of displaying mercy, and 592 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: certainly in the instance involving Colleen, that's the case. 593 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 2: You know, even on top of this, Joe, this was 594 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,080 Speaker 2: the only time that she tried to kill somebody. She 595 00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 2: was successful in killing Colleen Slimmer. But you know, after 596 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: she was in prison, she tried to kill a cell 597 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: mate with a shoestring. They actually charged her with attempted murder. 598 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 2: Happened in two thousand and one, after she had been 599 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 2: in prison for five years, she strangled Patricia Jones. Now 600 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: that woman didn't die, but they charged christ the Pike 601 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: with attempted murder and she was convicted of that. So, yeah, 602 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 2: you want to let that person out that has no 603 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 2: compunction about trying to take the life of somebody. 604 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can't imagine you're that that would make 605 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:36,359 Speaker 1: any sense whatsoever, you know, I it's it's kind of 606 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: shocking when you think about the idea that, Okay, you've 607 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 1: already been convicted of arguably one of the most brutal 608 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: murders that has taken place, certainly in Knox County, I 609 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: would imagine, and that was well reported and this sort 610 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 1: of thing. How's that rehabilitation going. It doesn't sound like 611 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,759 Speaker 1: it's going very well, because five years afterwards, you've got 612 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:04,000 Speaker 1: her still attempting to murder someone. That's in close proximity 613 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: to her, so I would be I would be really shocked. 614 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: And from what I understand, David correct me if I'm wrong. 615 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: The judge denied. They did denied this motion, didn't they? 616 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he a Knox County judge rejected the bid to vacate, 617 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 2: which is the death sentence of Krista Pike. So yeah, 618 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 2: she's still on death row. They have not. I was 619 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 2: looking it up to make sure they have not set 620 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 2: a death date yet. That's something that goes through a 621 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 2: different process. But they had to get through this last 622 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 2: part of it, which they said, no, you know, you 623 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: were eighteen, you were in an Adulton, Tennessee at the time 624 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 2: when it happened. And their argument, of course, was that 625 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,319 Speaker 2: her boyfriend was seventeen at the time and he was 626 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 2: given life without you know, he wasn't given a death 627 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 2: sentence and she was. I can tell you is that 628 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 2: I felt differently when we started this case than when 629 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 2: after I read her a statement, having read a lot 630 00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 2: of admitsion, you know, statements where people admit things yes, 631 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,760 Speaker 2: and knowing that they're going to discount their own interaction, 632 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 2: gonna you know, make it lick like less bad for 633 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 2: themselves and if that's her less bad version of what happened, Yeah, 634 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 2: I'm horrified. I wouldn't want to even be in the 635 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 2: prison with her now. 636 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the further you read you realize that it 637 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: gets darker and darker and darker. And for Colleen, for Colleen, 638 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: she met her in at the hands of the sadistic woman. 639 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body Bags.