1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 2: It is Monday, December one, and it was day one 3 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: in the trial of Brian Walsh, the man who admits 4 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: he cut up and disposed of his wife's body but 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: says he didn't kill her. We got opening statements today 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,080 Speaker 2: and we finally heard how he plans to defend himself 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 2: and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 8 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: TJ Roabe. That's been the most intriguing part. Guy says 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 2: he admitted last week, right when the day one jury selection, 10 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 2: pleaded guilty to dismembering and disposing of her body, but 11 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 2: says he didn't kill her. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Yes, couldn't wait to hear how he was going to. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 3: Do this exactly, and getting to hear his defense in 14 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 3: combination with getting to hear hours of his police interview 15 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: where he was clearly lying through his teeth because he's 16 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 3: admitted that he knew where her body was while he 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 3: trying to act like he has no idea where his 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: wife is to police. So that was fascinating. But perhaps 19 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 3: I would say the most interesting part of all. We 20 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: haven't had access to a courtroom like this for a while. 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 3: In a case like this, there are cameras in the 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:17,919 Speaker 3: courtroom you can watch this trial starting at nine am 23 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: Eastern Time, all day long on Court. 24 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: TV, and there's something And you're right, we obviously a 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: couple of high profile trials recently Diddy in particular, no cameras, 26 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 2: no nothing in there, but we get to see this 27 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: man that has admitted to taking a hack saw to 28 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: his wife's body. There is something robe about that and 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 2: being able to see him in court. Now the other 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: part that's I'm not sure if you heard the clanging. 31 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: He's coming in and out in handcuffs. So the way 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 2: they have the mics set up in there, you hear 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 2: just like just shackles, you just SIT's loud, that's clanging, 34 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: and it's just something eerie about how it kind of 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: it kind of happened today. And to your point as well, man, 36 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 2: it was creepy to hear him, cool and calm as 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: a cucumber talking to police who are asking about his wife. 38 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: He knows good and hell well what he's done with 39 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: our body. He never raised his voice. The only time 40 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: he got animated, robe was when he laughed. 41 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was joking around with the officers as his 42 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 3: wife is presumably missing. I think it's fascinating because Usually 43 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: when we hear a police interview with a suspect who's 44 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: now on trial for murder, they're denying any involvement, right, 45 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: But in this trial, in this case, the jurors are 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 3: listening to him lie to police as calm and as 47 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 3: coolly as one could be. 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 4: That was eerie to me. 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 3: I just was taken aback at how comfortable he was 50 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: completely lying. 51 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 2: I mean, that has to make it him. You have 52 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: to wonder if that makes an impression on this first 53 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 2: impression of him is now this they haven't heard his voice, 54 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: they haven't heard him speak, that he is as calm 55 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: as anything on these they and you know the other 56 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: part of those This wasn't supposed to be the highlight 57 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: of what we plan on talking about now, but it 58 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 2: obviously had made an impression on us. 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: The kids. 60 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hear these what were they two, four and six? Yeah, 61 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: at the time babies mom disappeared. Well, these kids are 62 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: I mean, they're acting like children. 63 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: They're fighting amongst themselves. You know, Dad Thomas just said 64 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: the F word. Like all these kinds of things that 65 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: would be happening in a normal house around the holidays. 66 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: This is just at the first of the years they're 67 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: probably playing with their Christmas toys. 68 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 4: No idea that their. 69 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: Mom is dead and their dad is accused of murder 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: or soon would be, and they would be essentially orphaned 71 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: within days. 72 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: We are talking about here. If you haven't yet, you 73 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: will be hearing plenty about this case. It is extraordinary 74 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: out of Massachusetts. This man, Brian Walls, charged with first 75 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 2: degree murder, accused of beating it and killing his and 76 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 2: then dismembering and disposing of her body. This was January 77 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: one of twenty twenty three. She has not been seen 78 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 2: by anybody since then. He has now pleaded guilty to 79 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: dismembering her body and lying to police. He has already 80 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: pled guilty to that. However, Robes, that threw everybody off 81 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 2: last week when he went ahead and did so, and 82 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: we were wondering how he's going to defend himself, what 83 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: his defense is going to be, how's he going to 84 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: explain this? We will get into that. But the mom, 85 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 2: Ann Walsh's who we're talking about. Robes a thirty nine 86 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: year old mother of three. 87 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah on a Walsh, last seen at a New Year's 88 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 3: Eve party or a dinner so to speak. The head 89 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: a friend over so she was seen up until one 90 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: thirty in the morning, seemingly happy and fine, and when 91 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: she didn't show up to work. Eventually, it was her 92 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: coworkers who notified police on January fourth that she was missing. 93 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 3: It was not her husband who reported her missing, it 94 00:04:58,640 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 3: was her coworkers. 95 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Obviously. 96 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: That was the part of one of the details of 97 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 2: this story, like you haven't talked to your wife in 98 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 2: three days and you're not concerned. 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 3: And when we're listening to him talk to police, it 100 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 3: was interesting how he would mess up basically because he said, 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: you know, if she was going to be ten minutes late, 102 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 3: I would freak out. Well, if that were true, if 103 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 3: your wife was ten minutes late, and he would freak out. 104 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 3: When she is missing for four days and you don't 105 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: call police, those two things do not jibe together. 106 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 2: You remember at that point when he said it, he 107 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: called himself almost and realized he said, well, yeah, I mean, 108 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: you know, I talked to it in the morning and 109 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 2: at night he kind of he danced around a lot, 110 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: but you have he was a cool customer. He wasn't 111 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: studdying around. He didn't necessarily say it's like a guy. 112 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,559 Speaker 2: He was putting lines together. 113 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: No and by the way, Anna Walsh's body has never 114 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: been found, and so that is going to be this 115 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: difficult part for the prosecution, even though they have a 116 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: tremendous amount of evidence, which we will get into. We 117 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 3: already saw and heard a lot of it today, at 118 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 3: least in the opening statements. It was late out what 119 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 3: we will be getting. But you don't have a body, 120 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 3: so you cannot say how she died. You cannot say 121 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 3: technically when she died. And that makes it difficult because 122 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: now you don't really have any forensic DNA tying yep 123 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 3: a murderer to the body. So those things all make 124 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: it difficult. It's not impossible, but certainly makes it more 125 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 3: difficult for prosecutors when there is no body. 126 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: They always say jurors they want too They don't have 127 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: to have it, but they want two things. They want 128 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: a body and they want a motive. Don't have to 129 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 2: have them, but they really is something they have to overcome. 130 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 2: Now we started the day today, then get started with 131 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: testimony until about ten am. They got in the core. 132 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: Around nine o'clock, judge brought the attorneys in. They went 133 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: through some motions, went through some rules, brought in the 134 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: jury she gave kind of a jury one on one 135 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: jury Trialjuan on Houan to these jurors hadn't seen that before, 136 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 2: but maybe a lot of folks did find that helpful. Now, 137 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 2: the prosecution started with their opening statement and roads we 138 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 2: need to say this name because people need to know 139 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: it throughout. William fast Out. William fast Out, You're going 140 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: to hear his name because he's a centerpiece and he 141 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: is going to be a big time a witness on 142 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: that stand. He was the guy who was involved in 143 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: an affair with Brian Walsh's now deceased wife. 144 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: Yes, so Anna Walsh was having an affair with William 145 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 3: fast Out, and that will be a part of the 146 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 3: prosecution's evidence about motive and what led to Anna's murder. Now, 147 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 3: the defense is claiming that Brian didn't know about this affair, 148 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 3: so it couldn't be a motive for killing her. But 149 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: the prosecution says, while these internet searches so far, what 150 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: we've heard about these internet searches on Brian Walsh's computer 151 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: are pretty damning, and they claim they have searches from 152 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: his cell phone and the fact that he looked up 153 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: the name William fast Out. 154 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 2: We've been covering the Star, and I know some stuff 155 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: had gotten out with some of the searches. Had you 156 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: seen this extensive of a list? No, some of these 157 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: I have not seen. 158 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 3: These were so part of what and we have an 159 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: episode before. There's a few episodes back. I've lost count. 160 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: But we went into this case because it is a 161 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: fascinating and we knew during jury selection this trial would 162 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 3: be starting December first. So we found a couple of 163 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: the searches, the Google searches that they found on some 164 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: of the devices in Brian Walsh's house right around the 165 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 3: time of Anna's disappearance, and they were damning. But man, 166 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 3: these are even if it's possible more damning, they're extraordinary. 167 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: So this is January one, and we have several to 168 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 2: go through and they say they have more, but these 169 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: are the searches they found again on his computer and 170 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 2: on his phone. So starting at four fifty four am, 171 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: this is January one. At this point police believe authorities 172 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: believe Anna Walsh is dead. 173 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 3: Yes, she was last seen by someone else at one 174 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: thirty am. So now fast forward three and a half 175 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: hours later. 176 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: At four point fifty four am, he searches quote best 177 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: way to dispose of a body now rodes that is damning. 178 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 1: It's circumstantial, correct? 179 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: Is that enough to put some folks over the top 180 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: if you don't have a body, if you don't have 181 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: a mode of death. And the one I just read, 182 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: Oh that's that's even that's one of the light ones 183 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 2: compared to me. 184 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, that builds a foundation. 185 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: I will say that build a foundation towards suspicion and 186 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 3: ultimately potentially guilt. So about a half an hour later, 187 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 3: the search is how long for someone missing to inherit? 188 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 4: Wow? 189 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 3: How about that for a motive? Next search? Can you 190 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 3: throw away body parts? How long missing to be dead? 191 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 3: How long does DNA last? Is it possible to clean 192 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: DNA off a knife? Best way to dispose of body 193 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: parts after a murder? That's a tough one, he wrote, 194 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 3: murder that's a that's a tough one because when you 195 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 3: hear what the defense's defense is, that is a search 196 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 3: that is going to be difficult. The jury is going 197 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: to remember that search. Best way to dispose of body 198 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: parts after a murder? He also looked up articles about 199 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 3: whether it is better to throw away crime scene clothes 200 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: or wash that it goes on to then the searches 201 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: get more specific, how to saw a body, how to 202 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 3: dismember a body? Then a question can you be charged 203 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: with murder without a body? And for whatever reason, this 204 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: last one really bothered me. I don't know why, with 205 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: all that heinousness, can you identify a body with broken 206 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 3: teeth that would tell me he punched her in the 207 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,719 Speaker 3: face so hard that her teeth broke or he was 208 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 3: going to go back after the fact and break her teeth. 209 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: Jesus, this is I don't know how you explain any 210 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 2: of this away. Now, this idea of reasonable doubt does 211 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 2: this I don't think it's reasonable. I don't think it's 212 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt at this point. If you see all 213 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 2: of this, obviously this dude had to be as a juror. 214 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 2: How could Obviously what else was he doing? 215 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 3: And it's not like there was anyone else in the 216 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 3: house who could have typed in those searches, because that's 217 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: usually what people will say. You can't prove I was 218 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: the one to type in these searches. At that home, 219 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: at that hour, you had a two year old, a 220 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 3: four year old, and a six year old a sleep 221 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 3: a sleep, But even if they were awake, there's absolutely 222 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: zero chance that anyone will believe this was even a 223 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: possible ability. 224 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: So the closest we get robes or maybe the prosecution 225 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 2: could get to how she died was this. I mean 226 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: knife was in. 227 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 4: The knife they used and murder man. 228 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: That is tough stuff. 229 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: Now, again from the opening statement they had say, this 230 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 2: is pretty damning as well. They have surveillance video of 231 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: him at several stores. These stores are gonna hate being 232 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 2: associated with this story now, Walgreen, CBS, lows stopping shop 233 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 2: Home Goods. He was at Home Goods. Robes, he got candles, 234 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 2: scented candles, and area rugs at home Goods. But his 235 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 2: whole shopping list included band aids, stuff for first aid, 236 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 2: hydrogen peroxide, ammonia, cutting shears, hack saw, mop buckets, all. 237 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 3: Of that wasn't there also a tiex suit there was, yes, 238 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: because that is just something everyone needs, you know, on 239 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: New Year's Day to clean up after that crazy party 240 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 3: you just had. 241 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 1: Hey, it is nasty. 242 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: That one really stood out to me. 243 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: This and this was one they were explaining as well, 244 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: where he had he had switched phones with his on 245 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: so it looked like his phone was staying in one 246 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: spot and he actually had. 247 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: Did he not think they were going to also track 248 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: all the phones in the house. 249 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 2: And they put it all together, and of course that's 250 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: part of the story was they had surveillance video of 251 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: a figure that fit the description of Brian Walsh, Yeah, 252 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: dumping stuff in a dumpster that wasn't too far from 253 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 2: his mom's home. They went back and recovered that bag 254 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 2: and it was all his wife's stuff. 255 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 3: What was it, right, product bag, cod specific kind of 256 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 3: boots and her COVID nineteen vaccination card. 257 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: What's all in there? So that's all the evidence. 258 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: That's just in the opening statement, we kind of had 259 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: an idea of their case, but they got into a 260 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 2: few more specifics. Now, how on God's green Earth do 261 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: you defend your client against all of that? Well, stay here, 262 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: we'll tell you what the defense had to say, and 263 00:13:52,200 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 2: they came out strong. Continuing now day one in the trial. 264 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 2: Day one of testimony in the trial of Brian Walsh, 265 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: accused of first degree murder in the death of Anna Walsh, 266 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: his wife, whose body has never been found. He has 267 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: admitted to cutting her body up. He has admitted to 268 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: disposing of her body, but says he did not kill her. 269 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 2: Now Robes the first words when the defense his defense 270 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: attorney has got Larry Tipton got up. I knew immediately, okay, 271 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna have we got one. 272 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 4: You said, he's a good one. 273 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: We got a star in the courtroom. He was. He 274 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: was animated. 275 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: He spoke extemporaneously and I always impressed with that. He 276 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: kind of paced back and forth, hands in his pocket 277 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 2: and head down at times. He started with that line, 278 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh lied to authorities, and he almost screamed in 279 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 2: the courtroom and said several times, Brian Walsh lied on 280 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 2: this day. Brian wsh lied on this day. So they 281 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:03,200 Speaker 2: immediately kind of just admit it that this guy lied throughout. 282 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 3: Now what you know what that reminds me of Listen 283 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: Diddy's lawyers saying, was did he abuse women? 284 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: Yes? Was he a domestic violence perpetrator? Yes? He was, Like, 285 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 4: we'll fully admit that. 286 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 3: So basically, the video and all the scary things that 287 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: you know you're going to see, and certainly all of 288 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 3: the you know, the evidence the prosecution is going to provide, 289 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 3: we we already admit to that, so you kind of 290 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: take it off the table. 291 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 4: No one's denying this. 292 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 2: Often an impact now we talked about those his searches 293 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 2: starting at four fifty four, and the attorney addressed it. Yes, 294 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: what happened at four fifty four. What they're explaining robes 295 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 2: was a frantic and tragic search that you'll hear about now. 296 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: They go on to. 297 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: Explain his wife is dad. He couldn't believe it had happened, 298 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 2: and so all of those searches robes they're explaining as 299 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 2: a man who was whose wife just died on him suddenly, 300 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 2: he panicked, and that's how they're going to explain it. 301 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 3: Yes, so you say wife died suddenly and he panicked. 302 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: How did said wife die suddenly? 303 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: No one knows that. 304 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 3: He says that he went upstairs after partying for New 305 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 3: Year's went back down an hour later to clean the kitchen, 306 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: and when he returned to the bedroom, she was dead. 307 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: And so they said he nudged her so violently that 308 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: he pushed her off the bed. So that, you know, 309 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: I don't know why they needed to say that. 310 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: Well, they would try. 311 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: He was getting into the detailing that, and they explained 312 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: it this way. He walked into the room he could 313 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: just since something was off, He was expecting to just 314 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: get in bed go to bed, thought she was sleep 315 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: since something was off, so he just nudged her, try 316 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: to say hello once nothing, nudged her again. Then he 317 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: starts getting worried and starts shaking her and she falls 318 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: off the bed. They were explaining that's when panic essentially 319 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: started for him. 320 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: So he panicked, apparently, and he said that they believed 321 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 3: that this sudden and explained death could be a mechanical 322 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: or an electrical issue in her body. They say it 323 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 3: happens to people who were old, young men, women, and 324 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: it just can happen. They say it's known in the 325 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 3: medical community, but it's not well known to the rest 326 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: of us. So they're just saying she died inexplicably and 327 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: suddenly suddenly, and he was afraid he would be implicated, yes. 328 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: Because he's went on to explain they had the concern 329 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: for their sons, and they were setting all of their 330 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: life insurance up for the boys and all this investment 331 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: in the future they were making, and his concern was 332 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 2: if anything someone thought that he did something to his wife, 333 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: what is going to happen to those boys? And this, 334 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: according to his attorney, was his attempt to think. He 335 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 2: used the word hang on to those boys. 336 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: So the affair the defense. 337 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 3: So it was it was the defense or it was 338 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: the prosecution that said an affair does not make someone 339 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 3: a bad person bad mind? 340 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:52,719 Speaker 1: Was the defense. 341 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: See That's why I was confused, because when I heard 342 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 3: them say that, I thought, wait, is that the defense 343 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 3: saying that. 344 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: They are making a point not making her into a 345 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: bad person at all. So he that came out of 346 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: his mouth does not make someone a bad person or 347 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: a bad mother. And they still say he didn't know, 348 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 2: so that is not a motive he can have for 349 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,439 Speaker 2: wanting to kill his wife. He didn't know she was 350 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: having the affair, according to them. 351 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,880 Speaker 3: Now we are going to hear, as you said earlier 352 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: before the break from the man who Anna Walsh was 353 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: having an affair with. He is going to provide testimony 354 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 3: at this trial. That is going to be a remarkable 355 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: day in court. 356 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 2: I believe Thursday is what they're anticipating with the schedule 357 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 2: at this point. Look, tomorrow now is setting up and 358 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 2: expecting this to go two or three weeks, but this 359 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,159 Speaker 2: is setting up now tomorrow. There was only one witness 360 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 2: who was on the stand, and that was the lead investigator, 361 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 2: and most of the time he was up. There were 362 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: spent with us listening to those. 363 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: Police interrogations, Well, they weren't even interrogations at that point. 364 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 3: They were just there saying, hey, we're gonna help you 365 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: find your missing wife. But to now know he's admitted 366 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 3: and already pleaded guilty to knowing exactly where his wife was, 367 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: to knowing that he had cut her up and thrown 368 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 3: her body in dumpsters. To hear him blatantly lying to 369 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 3: Belie for hours, that's tough. 370 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: He's cold, he is cool. 371 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: He doesn't sound you know what, He would never sound 372 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 2: menacing to you, but now hearing it and understanding what 373 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 2: he had done, to hear him this way. 374 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 3: Is well, it just it would make me feel like 375 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 3: there's no way I can believe anything this man says, 376 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 3: because he's very convincing. He seems concerned, but he didn't 377 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 3: seem like he wasn't nervous. So if he was able 378 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 3: to regulate himself, knowing what he just had done, that 379 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 3: would make me feel like I couldn't believe anything that 380 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 3: came out of his mouth. 381 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: That's just my sense as a journ But that. 382 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: Is a good point. He is now disqualified. 383 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, how could you trust anything when you are literally 384 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: and he is admitting that you are listening to him calmly, 385 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 3: coolly and expertly lie to police expertly, and he and 386 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 3: to me when I was listening to him, he sounded 387 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 3: like a nice guy next door. Now, he did admit 388 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: to police that he did have some legal issues, with 389 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 3: some issues, there's a whole other side to him where 390 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: he was actually about to go to prison and he 391 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 3: was under house arrest when this all went down. So obviously, 392 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: learning that he had been convicted criminally of something, you know, 393 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: would have been you know, certainly something that raised an 394 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 3: eyebrow for police. But just listening to him, just talking 395 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 3: to the guy, just being around him, hearing his kids 396 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 3: in the background, a father of three, you he didn't 397 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 3: seem menacing at all, which makes. 398 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 4: It all the scarier. 399 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: Well, folks, this is one we are going to keep 400 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:04,400 Speaker 2: a very close eye on. On your Apple podcast app, 401 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 2: the top right corner there with our show page says 402 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 2: follow hit that and you can get these update. We 403 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: will be doing this and keeping an eye on this 404 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: every day and giving updates every day. This is going 405 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: to be an explosive, explosive trial with the possibility bro 406 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: I cannot wait to hear with the prosecution how they 407 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 2: lay out a case for how she died, how they 408 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 2: think she died, and how they could know at all. 409 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: It's amazing not a trace of this woman since January one. 410 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 3: Three. 411 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 1: Wow. 412 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 2: All right, so folks, trial continues, tomorrow, might be cut short. 413 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: We got some weather here in the Northeast, so they 414 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 2: acknowledge this. That trial in Massachusetts. We're keeping an eye 415 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 2: there as well. But folks, we always appreciate you spending 416 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: some time with us. For my dear Amy Robot, I'm TJ. Holmes. 417 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: We will talk to you all soon.