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Speaker 1: live from our Tommy John Holmes Studios. I am Chad

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Speaker 1: Moment of the Action Network. This is our Sunday Night

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Speaker 1: episode in which we review the faves five picks we

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Speaker 1: week fourteen. I'm joined as always by my co host,

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Speaker 1: my companion, my Campadre, my BFF professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 2: At US i'med hello, chat. How we doing?

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Speaker 1: Dude? Chaos, pure chaos for you and me. In the

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Speaker 1: final moments today, before we submitted our picks this morning,

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Speaker 1: we traded out three picks. I don't think we traded

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Speaker 1: out sixty percent of our picks in our history. That

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Speaker 1: has to be the most in our history, including a

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Speaker 1: very late change that worked out in our favor. Will

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Speaker 1: get to all of it. We are currently sweating the

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Speaker 1: end of the Panthers in the Bucks. We have the

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Speaker 1: Panthers at plus six and a half. It's in overtime.

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Speaker 1: game ends. We have the Broncos at five and a

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Speaker 1: Iowa terms. Conditioned restrictions apply all right, So the games

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Speaker 1: that we switched out. We had the Colts minus two

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Speaker 1: and a half the very last second, Simon like, I'm

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Speaker 1: because we hadn't talked about.

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Speaker 2: The Jags somehow, Yeah, which I feel like.

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Speaker 1: We both liked. So we put the Jags in at

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Speaker 1: the Panthers, so we had the Jets plus two and

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Speaker 1: and a half. We're still waiting for the final gun

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Speaker 1: on that one. And we switched out the Eagles a

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Speaker 1: plus three and a half for the Bengals at minus

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Speaker 1: three and a half. So that one's painful. And I

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Speaker 1: feel like we nailed our handicap on the Eagles the

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Speaker 1: other day. And I don't know why we waffled on this.

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Speaker 1: I think we got overwhelmed by Lamar and sort of

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Speaker 1: the stats, and but I'm in love with his Eagles defense.

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Speaker 1: They've been playing better and better. I think you, Mighty,

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Speaker 1: I don't think you liked them as much as I did.

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Speaker 1: And there was great fear of Lamar. But let's start

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Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh at Cincinnati. I get I guess like we

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Speaker 1: feel like we've been catching a falling knife all season

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Speaker 1: as dogs, fading them as favorites. We discussed it on

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Speaker 2: I think a little bit, but I'll eat it it

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Speaker 2: just I disrespected Russell Wilson too much. I really did

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Speaker 2: not think he had this game minimum. Honestly, I really

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Speaker 2: I did not. I'll be the first time I did

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Speaker 2: Like I said, the Pittsburgh is due to lose some

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Speaker 2: So yeah, bad miss by me. Bad reading. It's like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the only thing that sucked, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: Honestly, we were so locked in. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: But don't jenks it, don't mention until the game's done.

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Speaker 2: Now for him not saying anything, I know, just almost

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Speaker 1: So we didn't even consider it. Russell Wilson had two

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Speaker 2: There was Is that a franchise record?

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Speaker 1: It's the most he's ever thrown for.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible to me. There was one sequence that towards

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Speaker 1: Watt forces a Joe Burrow fumble. Burrow is stepping up

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Speaker 1: now it's fourth and sixth. They punt the Steelers because

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Speaker 1: a sudden, they're down twenty they're up twenty four to

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Speaker 1: the rest of the game. Like good team versus bad teams,

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Speaker 1: that's the bottom line. And we were enamored with Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 1: it was the Joe Burrow stats more than anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm shocking to mention this though. To me, the

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Speaker 2: It was fourteen to seven Bengals. They get a stop

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Speaker 2: did he really just do that? He knew that it

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Speaker 2: just an incredible move by Tomlin. Yeah, this Pittsburgh team,

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Speaker 2: they're special. I really can't wait for them in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Like they're this type of team that like we're gonna

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Speaker 2: they just they adjusted really well. Where the Bengals, like

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Speaker 1: By the way, the Pittsburgh Steelers have now one nine games,

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Speaker 1: so again Mike Tomlin has gone over his win total

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Speaker 1: and they will finish the season over five hundred, which

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Speaker 1: I mean, the guy is a freak and he is

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the games. We're gonna sweat some bets.

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Speaker 1: all right, the next game. I wish we hadn't we'd

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Speaker 1: considered this game, but we loved this game. Thought we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we'll get to the next game. We

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Speaker 1: By double digits, they were dead freaking down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I was just sitting there just like holy shit.

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Speaker 2: Even though we dodge all those other bullets. We are

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was just bad luck. Like now that

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Speaker 1: The first Washington drive three plays, forty yard touchdown run.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only when those players they're doing a zone

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Speaker 1: If you look at the play by play, it's crazy

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Speaker 2: No, Like we just said, though, it was just a

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Speaker 2: sitting there in my gosh, I'm just like questioning my

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Speaker 1: Wheun.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this week is going to be a total wash.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to the glimmer of hope because at this point, Simon,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another one. You were just like, oh

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Speaker 2: that was Jalen Hurts. I'm sure Matt Mitchell feels the

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Speaker 2: same way if it was Josh Allen. A cheap shot

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Speaker 2: Like that and the military commercials of the guys coming

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Speaker 2: Every time. But that cheap shot. It's a reason we

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Speaker 2: protect these quarterback because it's just like, I can't stand it, right,

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Speaker 2: getting decapitated. It's just I hate it. I hate it

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Speaker 2: so much. So yeah, no, in that exact moment, my

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Speaker 2: was twenty three to six, and it's just not just.

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Speaker 1: That, not just a field goal and a missed field goal.

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Speaker 1: At one point, you know, I I bet with all

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Speaker 1: I'm like, we're not done yet, and a big exclamation

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Speaker 1: point and the Jags if this is the movie, this

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Speaker 1: is when like we start our comeback because Mac Jones,

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Speaker 1: this is not what we expected. But it's why you

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Speaker 1: game in. Are you ready? In the final two drives

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Speaker 1: Mac Jones. I counted this. I went into the play

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine yards, two touchdown passes, and on

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Speaker 1: the game he was only twenty to thirty two for

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Speaker 2: No, it's just again we always talk about you need

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Speaker 2: and we've just been really unlucky this season, just mainly

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Speaker 2: In these type of games, when you have the backup

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Speaker 2: like you can't not have those points, right, and just

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Speaker 2: that that's a formula for you to lose those type

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Speaker 2: Panthers probably should have won that game if they had

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Speaker 2: a kicker, And the same kind of thing goes here

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Speaker 1: They were playing they were playing really well. Their defense

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like they kept stopping the red zone again.

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Speaker 2: It was six nothing when he went out and his

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Speaker 2: played the number. And thank god you checked your phone

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Speaker 2: this team where it was like literally my second biggest

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Speaker 2: and yeah, I don't know who you texted, was Matt

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Speaker 1: Brother, Yeah, too bad. We didn't keep that theory with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can't be fate. We were stuck to and

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Speaker 2: two no matter what we did.

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Speaker 1: We were going to be two and two, no matter what.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: There's no sliding doors here. We're just two and two.

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Speaker 1: But Eddie Pinero, he missed from thirty eight, he missed

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Speaker 1: Bryce is getting better every week and he's elevating his

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Speaker 1: They lost that game. They didn't lose it because of Bryce.

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Speaker 1: They lost it because their defense couldn't stop Bucky Irving

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Speaker 1: So I feel like this Panthers team is finally the

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Speaker 2: Definitely inn't even a defense. I mean, they played really well,

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Speaker 2: here talking about bucket, Irvon. They could. When you're only

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Speaker 2: down nine, it's gonna put more into Baker, which we

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Speaker 2: bad Baker game. Like when Baker's off, he is really off.

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00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: He could not find like his picks were terrible. The

432
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 2: one he threw incredibly late the end of that first half,

433
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 2: like you're talking about the one the second half, I

434
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 2: mean he put it right into a guy's chest after

435
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,360
Speaker 2: he pretty much had gotten injured to play before. So

436
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: bad Baker game. Tampa found a way to win, right

437
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: like you just said, the little things went their way

438
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,720
Speaker 2: where they had the missfield goals on the Carolina side,

439
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: then the fumbleing overtime after they had missed the field goal,

440
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's a huge game for them. Now. I

441
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: mean we talked about they dropped those games to Atlanta,

442
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 2: but there's still an outside chance that can see this

443
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,720
Speaker 2: division and anyone like me that's a SIKO that really

444
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: wanted Carolina win this game. They were like forty to

445
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 2: one to win this division before this game. If they

446
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 2: would have won this, that would have dropped to like

447
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 2: what fifteen to one, twenty one, like it really would

448
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:08,560
Speaker 2: have jumped up because this would have been a huge

449
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,640
Speaker 2: win for them. And I'm so happy we haven't checked

450
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: out on this team because it's it's what three straight

451
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: weeks now we bet them and they keep coming through

452
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: for us, So maybe we hop off, but they're clearly

453
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,360
Speaker 2: a different team right now and the books haven't caught

454
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: up to it yet.

455
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: I listen a couple of things on that I don't

456
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: know if we're going to hop off, because the number

457
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: next week for their game, which we'll talk about in

458
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: week fourteen, is massive. Caroline has covered four straight and

459
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: you're right, like, we walked away from them because there

460
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:44,800
Speaker 1: was we felt so badly betting them. They were not

461
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: living up to what we believed their capabilities were based

462
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: on our prognostication for the beginning of the year, so

463
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: we couldn't conceivably bet them and feel good telling people

464
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: to bet them, but they've been sneaking back the past month.

465
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: We didn't choose them. Think the first time we bet them,

466
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: but we liked them, and then we did choose them.

467
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: I think the past two or three weeks people aren't

468
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: paying attention like it. At one point they did an

469
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: overhead shot of the stadium and it was pretty empty,

470
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: and like I said to my I said to my son,

471
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, it's so empty. Do people not know

472
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: that the Panthers are balling right now and that Bryce

473
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 1: Young could actually be a really good quarterback and he's

474
00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: throwing accurate passes while getting chased and rolling out of

475
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 1: the pocket, and he's been amazing. He looks at me,

476
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: he goes, I don't think that stadium's going to be

477
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: full in your lifetime. I felt really bad for the

478
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,919
Speaker 1: Panthers because ladies are better. They're a fun team. I

479
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 1: like their coach, their quarterbacks playing well. Get on a badwagon.

480
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: Obviously, I don't feel bad for Caroline. They had a

481
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 2: great role with Cam Newte. I mean that twenty fifteen year,

482
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: what was that fifteen to one? They went to the

483
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: super Bowl and obviously losing this rule was brutal, but yeah,

484
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 2: they had their time to shot. I mean they had

485
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 2: they sold off to the stadium a little bit a

486
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 2: long time ago. But you're right, like it's it's not

487
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: shocking when you see they're staying empty right now. They're

488
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: just totally abandoned by their fan base.

489
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: People got to get on the bad wagon. This team's

490
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: coming around. We're gonna be talking about them a lot

491
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 1: next year. Uh, this was my favorite thing. So, like,

492
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,159
Speaker 1: you know, we're regretful about the Steelers not putting them in.

493
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: We're regretful about uh, the Eagles and taking them out,

494
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: but we're super glad that we put the Jags in.

495
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: We're super glad that we put the Panthers in. We're

496
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 1: super glad to be two and two.

497
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: You're not remember for all the Chargers though you love

498
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: the Chargers on Tuesday and then today you were totally

499
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: off of them.

500
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what those are.

501
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 2: Foxhill or your exact decision, right, it was one of.

502
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,159
Speaker 1: The foxhol and here, Honestly, we keep fucking doing this

503
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: And I don't know why. I need to do a

504
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: better job of paying attention to my notes from earlier

505
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 1: in the week. Yeah, because we were so like so

506
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: on the Steelers, on the Eagles, on the Chargers, and

507
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: I feel like when you and I are doing the

508
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: handicapping Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, we're on it and we're good

509
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 1: and we are getting I think because like there have

510
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: been some unlucky bounces for us and maybe some bad handicaps,

511
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: and we got behind the eight ball earlier in the year.

512
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 1: I think we're leaning too much into what we're hearing

513
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: and some trends and not focused on what we know

514
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: and when we have clarity, and I think we're we're

515
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: getting antsy later in the week, and I like.

516
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: I still think it's just been bad luck. I mean,

517
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: like we just said, we've been capping the good games,

518
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: but the charges one just it's just brutal because exactly

519
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: what we talked about happened. We just said, that's their

520
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: style of defense is the one that gives huge problems

521
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,159
Speaker 2: to Kirk Cousins. He threw fucking what foreignerceptions today? He

522
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 2: was brutal.

523
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess my issue with that was I was

524
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: really worried that the they were so injured on defense

525
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: and JK. Dobbins was out and their.

526
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,719
Speaker 2: Well offense look different without them, right, they only put

527
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: up ten points today without the six.

528
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,239
Speaker 1: I was just that was my concern, is like I

529
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: got antsy about sort of all of the injuries. I

530
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: think DJ Reid speaks for all of us. Did you

531
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: see what he did after the Jets lost to the

532
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: Seahawks sent out a tweet tagged the NFL officials, y'all

533
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: fucking suck. You should be ashamed of yourselves. I think

534
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: it's going to cost him. Yeah, but these games are excruciating.

535
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: I honestly, like it's so frustrating to watch every There's

536
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: got to be a study about between the penalties and

537
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 1: the injuries. There must be thirty to forty percent of

538
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: the game is stopped be in relation to the plays

539
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: because of all the penalties injuries. It's just excruciating to

540
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 1: watch these games. One more thing for you. Nick Westbrook Akina,

541
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: who played football at the playoff bound Indiana University playing

542
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: for the Hoosiers twenty catches this year, eight touchdowns, including

543
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: four touchdowns in the past three games. That's crazy, Scott,

544
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean balling out for the Tennessee Titans. Was it

545
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: showing up at one o'clock when everyone else is showing

546
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:28,280
Speaker 1: up at two thirty.

547
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 2: I think I saw was a Valdez Scaling. There's I

548
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 2: think it's someone for New Orleans who just got traded

549
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 2: to him. He has four touchdowns in like four straight games.

550
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: That's my other note. Marquez Veldez Scaling has four touchdowns

551
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: and four games with.

552
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: This sounds that is so bizarre.

553
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about some Week fourteen games. We

554
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: talked about Carolina Carolina before we came on air, so

555
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if the line has moved. Was a

556
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: thirteen point underdog at Philadelphia?

557
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: Still thirteen? Yeah, they just said in our chat still thirteen,

558
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's how do we not bet it? That's

559
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: that is incredibly high. But this is one that I

560
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: could bet it now, and I wouldn't be shocked if

561
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 2: I moved off this position right now once I've read

562
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: in more into it. But because Carolina is I don't

563
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: know how they stop Saquon that. I mean, we just

564
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: saw what happened to you with Buck Irphen and that's like,

565
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: I mean, Saquan again today, that's a really good run

566
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: defense in the Ravens. I think you'reran for over one

567
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: hundred yards today, Like he really is out of this

568
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 2: playing out of this sport right now. This Eagles team

569
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: is just so dominant, not just offensively, we defensively. They

570
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: held a really great offense in the Ravens and check today.

571
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're complete teams. So I get why they've

572
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: opened this at thirteen, but I think me and you

573
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: both agree this feels like too many points to open

574
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: with it.

575
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: It does, I do, I do worry about the line

576
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: of scrimmage and the Eagles just dominating. Yeah, they're so

577
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: freaking good defensively.

578
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: Three seven? Is that? That?

579
00:29:59,680 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: To me?

580
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 2: The fear with these type of games where it's like

581
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: if Carolina kicks three field goals and the Eagles got

582
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: three touchdowns and it's twenty one to nine, Yeah, we

583
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: know that it could just be a steamroll in the

584
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: second half. That's definitely a fear. Like you're mentioning.

585
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Uh. The other game I wanted to touch on that

586
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. Cleveland is a six and a

587
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: half point underdog at Pittsburgh. So a couple things here. One,

588
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: as good as Tomlin is as a dog, he is

589
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: as bad as a favorite. This is a very good

590
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: defense for the Browns going into Pittsburgh. We just had

591
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: this game. We expect these games to be relatively close,

592
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: and it will be I expect Jamis to stink against

593
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: the Broncos, which means he will come back and be

594
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: good against the Steelers. So I haven't bet it yet,

595
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: but that feels like line and we want to take

596
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: the Browns.

597
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm gonna wait just just because we're we're

598
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: heavy on the Broncos here, like I I'm hoping for

599
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: a double digit We just roll Broncos game, but we

600
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 2: know it's gonna be a sweat probably come down last possession,

601
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 2: get the cover. But if it is a game, they

602
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 2: blaw their rolling. And we just saw Pittsburgh have the

603
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: best game of the year. I mean that was incredible

604
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: how good they were offensively. So be patient. They should

605
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: they should. They should give us a seven right now.

606
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 2: Like I just said, though, if you want to grab

607
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: it early before it moves, you know, there's two books

608
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: or yeah, two really public books that should be legal

609
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 2: in your state that have six and a half's right now.

610
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: If you want to grab it now, go ahead, But

611
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: this this to me should go up to seven.

612
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: LA Chargers and Kansas City Chiefs. Chargers are four and

613
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: a half.

614
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, another interesting number. They open to that high like

615
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 2: that's it feels like it's only gonna come down, right,

616
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 2: I can't see getting any higher than that. This is

617
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: a really good Chargers team. I mean they're what they

618
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: have eight wins now, they might have eight wins at

619
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: this point. So yeah, this this Chiefs team. You know,

620
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 2: they played early in the year. The Chargers had literally

621
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 2: known their whole team was banked up at that point,

622
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: and me and you took them I think at plus

623
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,239
Speaker 2: seven and a half landa RTT in the seven right,

624
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: we got that cover and by a kickoff it had

625
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 2: gone down to six and a half. So most people,

626
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: unfortunately didn't get the cover of the Chargers team. So

627
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: you know, that just shows how much healthier this Chargers

628
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: team is now on the flip side of the Chiefs team.

629
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: I think public reception is just, yeah, they're gonna win,

630
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: but they're not going to cover. So that's the fear.

631
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: Chat is Like, me and you have just been fading

632
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: this Chiefs team basically every week and it's been really

633
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: good to us. I don't mind going it again because

634
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: it's four and a half, I'm gonna grab that now.

635
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: But if it's three and a half come contest time.

636
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if we forced that winning, because it's

637
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: like it feels like this should be the number. To me,

638
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: it feels right, it's four here, four to four and

639
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 2: a half. I'll take the value four and a half

640
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 2: right now, bet three six five.

641
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: How are the Chiefs tackles going to protect Patrick Mahomes.

642
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: We saw what they did against the Raiders could not

643
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: do it and nothing is going to change. And maybe

644
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey gets back. But does that make that big

645
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: of a difference. I don't know. I'm willing. I'm willing

646
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: to bet the four and a half that it doesn't

647
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Speaker 1: right now. It won't be a full unit, it'll be

648
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: smaller just to get the four and a half. But

649
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: it is interesting to me. Two more games that are

650
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: interesting to me. Ready, Dallas plus five and a half

651
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: at home? I think it's on Monday night versus the Bengals.

652
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: I agree with you. At first glance, it's like, yeah,

653
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: this this Bengals defense, who can they stop? The answer

654
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: might be Cooper Rush.

655
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: But it's the right number. Like I think it's inflated.

656
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: It's probably inflated by it is at least a point

657
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: and a half.

658
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 2: I just love that your eyes immediately went to that game. Yeah,

659
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: it's it's a giant home dog against a defense I

660
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: can't stop. And I agree, take take the six. This

661
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: is definitely gonna come down.

662
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: Is it at six? Are you seeing six?

663
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I'm about through six. Five it's it's at six.

664
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Wow, then then you have to take it. What am

665
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: I missing?

666
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: I'm shocked you didn't mention your Bears.

667
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: So much to say about the Bears.

668
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 2: There's still six plus six and a half minus one twenty.

669
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: I mean, we love a good coaches fired team, especially

670
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 2: a team where apparently your whole team was in the

671
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: locker room telling this guy he's a fucking idiot after

672
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: that game. I don't if you obviously you've heard all

673
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 2: the rumors, but this was huge. An organization has a

674
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 2: fire to coach midseason, And is it true it's one

675
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: hundred years they have never done it.

676
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 1: They've never done it, dude, Honestly.

677
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: Six and a half grab it.

678
00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: I have. I have anecdotes and insight from this playing

679
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: the Niners by the way on the road apparently, and

680
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: I have been able to confirm this, but it's not libelous.

681
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: So I'm happy to say it. The Bears had Ebra

682
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: Flues do the nine am press conference postgit the day

683
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: after they lost, as if he was still going to

684
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: be there, and then they fired him at eleven o'clock. So,

685
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: of course, like I'm texting with my buddies, and the

686
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: first thing someone responds is clearly, time management is a

687
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: systemic issue within the organization. Number one. Number two the

688
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: Instagram post after they announced the firing. The first comment

689
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 1: for the Bears Instagram feed was from a fan who said,

690
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: do we get to keep the time out or does

691
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: ebra Flues get to take that with him? Which was amazing,

692
00:35:53,840 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: But apparently this is sourced by my father who told

693
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 1: me this story yesterday morning when I call him on

694
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: Saturdays when I'm walking the dog. That the one of

695
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: the reasons for the timing issue is that the Bears,

696
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: who have never fired a coach in the middle of

697
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: the season because they're so freaking cheap they don't want

698
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: to have to hire someone new. They had to get

699
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: the permission of Virginia McCaskey, and she either was not

700
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 1: awake or was not available before the press conference, and

701
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: so then it happened after the press conference when they

702
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: could finally get Virginia CASKEI to sign off on firing

703
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: him mid season.

704
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: I wonder how many more, how many new Virginias are

705
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: being born nowadays. I feel like that's an old old

706
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: name not to be.

707
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: She's one hundred years old.

708
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, let's get the ones that jump out to

709
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 2: mirror away, Chad. I would love to hear your viewing

710
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 2: this Miami. I feel like Tua even last week that

711
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: loss was on him against Green Bay. That was kind

712
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 2: of like their whole team sucked. They're now at home

713
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: against this Jets team that that was their best shot.

714
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: Like Rogers looked actually good in that game. He was

715
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: moving well. And then whatever it is, I mean, maybe

716
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: it's his age. He just falls off this cliff where

717
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 2: he misses he throws or he just like, I mean,

718
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 2: you know, he missed a touchdown. The next play he

719
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: throws a pick. Like it's just been that type of

720
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 2: season for him. You can still get six and a

721
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: half right now in Miami and a half. That's a

722
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: line that jumps out to me.

723
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: Before we went on the air. That was at seven.

724
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: That's why I didn't say it. That's why I didn't

725
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: fly it is because it was his seven.

726
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, not shocking the professionals. I mean, we got sucked

727
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: in last week you saw. I mean Evan told talked

728
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 2: about it. Since they had this new head coach, they've

729
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: been a favorite every week, right even when they're a dog.

730
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 2: The line has moved basically every week then being a favorite,

731
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: and they've covered what that one game against Houston and

732
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 2: that's it. Every other one they're just getting ruined. So

733
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm so happy we didn't just force that one back

734
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: in because that was a game You're right. When they

735
00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: were up, I was like, how did we switch down that?

736
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: Because I did bet the two and a half. I

737
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: did bet their money line when they were a big dog.

738
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: But luckily the fighty senses went off with us and

739
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 2: we were just like, nah, nah, this numbers move too much.

740
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: They suck. I'm not. I feel like I'm gonna try

741
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: to hold my ground this week with it where it's

742
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: like this is a good matchup for this Miami team

743
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 2: and this every game for them is a playoff game Miami,

744
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 2: but like this is really a game where we should

745
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: see that they are a better team than the Jets.

746
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: That one jumps out. Would love to hear your view

747
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: on this Green Bay game.

748
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: I flagged it. I wrote it down Green Bay plus

749
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: four at Detroit Thursday night. Detroit's got eighteen people on

750
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball that are on the

751
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: injury list right now. Yeah, I don't know how you

752
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,280
Speaker 1: bet on Detroit. This just feels like a game. Obviously,

753
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: they need it, Like Minnesota is right behind them, Philadelphia

754
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: is right behind them. They can out of Ford to

755
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: lose any ground at all if they want to be

756
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: able to stay in Detroit throughout the playoffs. But man,

757
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 1: this team is struggling and they they should have won

758
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 1: that game forty two or nothing. They could not score

759
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: in the red zone, they kicked field goals, they fumbled.

760
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's so frustrating because we love the

761
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: lines in that game and they really dominated. But in

762
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: the second half, every other play someone got injured. And

763
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: if not for ebra Fluse not understanding the you know,

764
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 1: rules of clock management, the Bears might win that game

765
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: because the lines didn't have anybody left. So I feel

766
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: like the Packers are confident. It's a great spot for them.

767
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: I'd lean Packers on Thursday night at four.

768
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's down a three and a half.

769
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 2: Every book now so it's.

770
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Like, I'd still take the three and a half. I'm

771
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: getting the hook and I to me, it's about me too.

772
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,919
Speaker 2: It's just one that jumped out here right away because

773
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 2: it's like, why is this three and a half? Because

774
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: I totally agree with everything just said this. This is

775
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 2: not the same Detroit team is even just two weeks ago,

776
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Like these injuries have just piled up, and it's a

777
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: lot of key starters. It's not just special teams, guys.

778
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: These are like, okay, you're d n You're starting linebacker,

779
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: starting cornerbackers, starting safety. It's like, oh my god, man,

780
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 2: Like this is.

781
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: They're signing Jamal Adams to the practice squad. That's how

782
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: terrifying that it is right now for them.

783
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: So that I'm with you chat, I one that jumps

784
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: out where it's like I'm gonna take that three and

785
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 2: a half now while it's still there, because this line

786
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: that's gonna dip but moves enough will come on the

787
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: other side. Like I'd much rather be Undertroit honestly than

788
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: Green Bay and this spot, especially if it gets a

789
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: two and a half, because like me and Chad have

790
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: experienced it, it's it's not fun betting against Detroit, like

791
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: they're just such a high powered offense. They're really one

792
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 2: of those few teams that only they beat themselves like

793
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: that Bears game. I me mean you talk about they

794
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 2: beat themselves there, like that opening half. If if any

795
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: one of those field goals a touchdown, they cover the

796
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: nine and a half. But that was the only reasoning

797
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 2: to cover is because they kicked four fields. They missed

798
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: the fifth one, so.

799
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: On the five yard line.

800
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the funbel on the fire, so that's when

801
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: they jumped out. Interesting gave jumps on another one. Kirk

802
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: Cousins on the road in Minnesota. Are we getting lazy here?

803
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 2: We're going to play the revenge factor this man, it's

804
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: not I was going towards this old team.

805
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: To me, I looked at that one too, and it

806
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: felt you say lazy. I was going to say fascile.

807
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: But it's the same thing like it just it's lazy.

808
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 2: Take this week. It's like, oh, Kirk plus four and

809
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 2: a half dog against his old team.

810
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 1: It's to me, it's not about that. It's about Look,

811
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: the Vikings defense has not been as good as it's.

812
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: Plus six at one. I can't say the name of

813
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: the book. It's plus six right now. One book.

814
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: If it's plus six, you gotta take it. Like to me,

815
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: we got on air it was a plus five, and

816
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: I thought that was like two.

817
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 2: Books plus four and a half or plus five. But

818
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: this one book, one very public book is plus six

819
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: right now. That's that's too much respect for the Minnesota Vikings.

820
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: Yes, Minnesota Vikings, So I agree with you.

821
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: And then just a game that caught my eye right away,

822
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: Buffalo minus three and a half against La Rams. I

823
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: have lost a small house this year betting this Rams

824
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 2: team at home as a dog in this exact spot.

825
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: I mean the Green Bay game, the Eagles game. This

826
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 2: I'm not. I can't get sucked her in it once again?

827
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: Can I?

828
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: Like?

829
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: This is literally I keep thinking this is the exact

830
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: spot this Rams team covers, and I think we're kind

831
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 2: of figuring out now where It's like now they're good

832
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: against really bad teams, and they just get rolled by

833
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: talented good teams. So I am fighting the demons right now,

834
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna try to take this Buffalo team at

835
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 2: minus three and a half just in case they roll

836
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: tonight and this goes up to four to four and

837
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 2: a half.

838
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not even that good against bad teams. They

839
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: barely beat the same today. There's something about that. They

840
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: are weirdly ineffective for lengthy moments of the game. They

841
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: were losing six to nothing in the first half. They

842
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: had a great opening drive, then kind of disappeared, then

843
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: they scored again, like they did not have any sustained

844
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: momentum or build on their foundational drives at all.

845
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: I love our listeners. Alana's already down the five and

846
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: a half of that book I was talking about. I

847
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 2: just watched it move so best, you sons of bitches.

848
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: I was really going to try to hit that myself,

849
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: so already gone.

850
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: This is what we do. We give, and we give,

851
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: and we give a lot of games on the board

852
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: that we've already hit on. So it'll be interesting to

853
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: see where we land. Simon, I'm begging us, let's find

854
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: some clarity. Let's make sure we are looking at our

855
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: notes on Sunday. Somebody Matt Mitchell, Gifford. Gifford when we

856
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: get off convinced me freaking remind meet Chad, look at

857
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: your notes from Tuesday and Thursday. Don't get caught up

858
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: in the moment whatever. Just happened. Unconvince me, have clarity,

859
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: be good handicappers, all of us. That goes for all

860
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: of us. I want us all to do it. That's

861
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,160
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