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Speaker 2: I think he can be looking at a start.

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Speaker 3: At the beginning of the season, I saw the news,

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I think Kyler's a Week one starter.

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Speaker 3: They may spin it as his competition and we want

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Speaker 3: JJ to fight. No, no, no, if you're Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 3: you don't bring in Kyler Murray to create some competition.

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Speaker 3: You bring him into start for your team. I understand

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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray is I don't know, talent wise, top seven

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Speaker 3: or eight in the league, just pure talent like that talented.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy can hang in a quarterback competition with Kyler Murray,

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Speaker 3: not only just the athletic ability and the running and

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Speaker 3: the arm strike like those aren't JJ's things.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what JJ's things are, but put JJ

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Speaker 2: aside for a bit. If you're the Viking is also

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Speaker 2: all right. So you got the said this fancy.

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Speaker 3: Car and you've had it for a couple of years,

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Speaker 3: and you're like looking up lemon low stuff. It's just

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Speaker 3: not working and it's not driving well, you're not happy

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Speaker 3: with it.

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Speaker 2: And then someone.

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Speaker 3: Pulls up and they're like, hey, do you want this

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Speaker 3: Slamborghini And you're like, well, I don't know. It's got

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Speaker 3: a lot of mileage on it. Well it's only twenty

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Speaker 3: eight years old. Wow, all right, Well it sounds very expensive. No,

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Speaker 3: it's basically free.

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Speaker 2: Like it's just basically nothing.

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Speaker 3: Give me a hundred bucks and you can have it.

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Speaker 3: This sounds like a great deal. Why would I say

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Speaker 3: no to this? Well, it's like pretty much like the

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Speaker 3: one car on the street that anybody wants. There's a

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Speaker 3: few cars on the street this year, and this was

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Speaker 3: the best one and by far there's And so you

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Speaker 3: want it for free because.

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Speaker 2: You can have it? Yeah, is there like a catch?

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Speaker 3: You not just take it and shut up and take

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Speaker 3: the car before I leave? And you're they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'll take it, and they.

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Speaker 2: Start driving it. It's just.

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Speaker 3: I don't think this is a quarterback competition, and I

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Speaker 3: don't like to come out and disparage JJ McCarty seems

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Speaker 3: like a great guy, but like Kevin O'Connell, I think

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Speaker 3: he's like, bring me someone, bring anyone.

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Speaker 2: But if we can bring me Kyler Murray, get him

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Speaker 2: in here.

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Speaker 3: Also, let me riff you off a quick list after

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Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, Oh crap. I just feel after Kirk Cousins

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Speaker 3: left the Vikings, Justin Jefferson's quarterbacks Justin Jefferson, Sewn Manyon,

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Speaker 3: Nick Mullins, Josh Dobbs, Jaren Hall, Sam Darnold, Carson Wentz,

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Speaker 3: Max Brosmer, JJ McCarthy, and now Kyler Murray, who, for

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Speaker 3: all his faults, is the talented guy to get drafted

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Speaker 3: number one overall. And again I urge you to look

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Speaker 3: at a twenty twenty four injury free season which he

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Speaker 3: was a top twelve quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: I think he's a week one starter. Sort of something

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Speaker 2: crazy happen.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about who we're flirting with, Jamie, I

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Speaker 3: gotta be honest, like I'm not even flirting, like I'm

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Speaker 3: rounding second, I'm like I'm Billy, Bob and Angelina on

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Speaker 3: the red carpet, just going at it. Just I'll answer

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Speaker 3: in the form of a picture. Go ahead. There's no

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Speaker 3: subtlety here, none whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: That's me.

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Speaker 3: That's me and Robert Salo with his coming to GNC

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Speaker 3: near you, pure hard work supplement the PHW.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to say the Titans.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was in Nashville down last week. That's me

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Speaker 2: By the way, Cam was awesome, like very just like

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Speaker 3: Charismatic, very interesting, like not like most quarterbacks you're around.

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Speaker 3: He has a different vibe to him that I really liked.

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Speaker 3: And I made the joke on stage that they had

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Speaker 2: That way, there they are. They see them in the.

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Speaker 3: Background, just siting there, their violas and all their beautiful instruments.

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Speaker 3: It does have vibes of like Megachurch, like you know

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Speaker 3: a million free agents. They really went for it. They

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Speaker 2: That's such shamous. Such j Bach on the left he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was there because he's obviously a Titan, and

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Speaker 3: he presented.

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Speaker 2: We threw stuff. It was a spectacular night. I mean,

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Speaker 2: no spared, no expense, so much excitement. Listen.

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Speaker 3: I think the team won maybe three games last It

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Speaker 3: was not a great year, not a good year.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I've just seen I just saw the Patriots go to

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Speaker 3: year before. I've seen it a million times. Bengals going

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Speaker 3: get intoxicated when you're around a team and they throw

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Speaker 3: that kind of party. But again, you know, Jim, you

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Speaker 3: know how we feel about our playoff picks. We don't

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Speaker 3: toss those around. We're bound to those. Those are very

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Speaker 3: important to us. I am going to continue.

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm gonna say what I have to

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Speaker 2: say about the Titans lead up.

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Speaker 3: Not by the way, they have the number four pick

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Speaker 3: pretty much every round in the draft. They're gonna get

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Speaker 3: a lot better. Yeah, and I think they're gonna make

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Speaker 3: the jump. Maybe so maybe Jeremiah Love. I threw out

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Speaker 3: a couple draft suggestions to some Titans higher ups, and

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Speaker 3: one of them might have been Jeremiah Love.

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Speaker 2: And I was reading with a lot of no comments

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Speaker 3: Going with, but I know they got the four, and

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Speaker 3: that's a nice pick for a team that has that

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Speaker 3: many new free agents. New coach knew everything. It's pretty excited.

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Speaker 3: I frustrate with the people at Clemson insist on your

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Speaker 3: name pronunciation. There's a few things in life that you

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Speaker 3: just you got to get right. This is how you

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Speaker 3: say my name. And the NFL media TRAFFI we can

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Speaker 3: handle it like we have done everybody from and Dominican

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Speaker 3: Sue to young Waiku, like we can do it. This

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Speaker 3: is an evolving league where we talk about people of

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Speaker 2: I've covered hollapool a body Bye Thai, you got it,

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Speaker 2: says no problem. Other sports we roll off the talk.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about Yamas and Todokompo, Novak Djokovic, and then

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Speaker 3: had this whole ordeal of the Tairod versus Tarad Taylor,

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Speaker 3: It's not it's important that you insist on your name.

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Speaker 3: Robbie Gold the kicker for the first few years in

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Speaker 3: have told us, and we would do it because we

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Speaker 3: respect you. And the last thing I'll say, if someone

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Speaker 2: This is the same industry the NFL that for decades

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Speaker 3: Point thinks that the word fa vre spells farv.

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Speaker 2: No, it doesn't. It's impossible that can't possibly say farv,

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Speaker 3: It's not favorite, it's not favra, it's farv, even though

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you told us. I just wish you had

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Speaker 3: told us earlier. The story is incredibly well told by Max.

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Speaker 3: You really are right there with him as he's walking

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Speaker 3: persevered through. That's supposed to be the magical moments. That's

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Speaker 3: the new organization. They flew me across the country. Here,

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Speaker 3: that big record scratch on the dap up. He felt

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Speaker 3: they're just there. Something wasn't there. There was no energy.

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Speaker 3: that is the moment where he, like the dream dies

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Speaker 3: Incredible story, sickening story. It makes me frustrated all over.

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Speaker 3: It makes me frustrated with the nature of it, makes

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Speaker 3: me frustrated with the Ravens, It makes me frustrated for Max.

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Speaker 3: But I talked to Max a little bit this week,

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Speaker 3: this year with the Leaders. You know, there's that cliche

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Speaker 3: that someone is attacking their rehab. Most of the time,

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Speaker 3: if he was attacking it on another level after he

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Speaker 3: least of it. We're talking about a guy who has

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Speaker 3: achieved sobriety. He's in fatherhood, like the losses with the Raiders,

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Speaker 3: coaches coming and leave like it's been some hell that

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Speaker 3: he's been through, and I think he is just.

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Speaker 2: Like, bring it. This is what I've put on this

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Speaker 3: I'm going to be a Raider, and I would not

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Speaker 3: I think he is really really fired up. I'm fired

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Speaker 3: up talking about it. They replaced the head coach. That's

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Speaker 3: a massive thing for Buffalo. That was a huge deal.

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Speaker 3: I remember we were live on the air when Sean

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Speaker 3: McDermott was let go and it was shocking, but not shocking.

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Speaker 3: Now you go to Joe Brady, who obviously Josh loves Joe,

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Speaker 3: to sink or swim with Joe Brady. And listen, Josh's

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Speaker 2: He may be on eleven.

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Speaker 3: because in this movie, that's been the Josh Allen Bills era.

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Speaker 3: whoever else you want to say. There's nothing like the

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Speaker 3: one of them is absolute cinema. Because it's Friday, and

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Speaker 2: The hell not.

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Speaker 3: Here we go twenty twenty five. This just happened three

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Speaker 2: Let's go to twenty twenty four. Remember that one, They're

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Speaker 3: In Arrowhead, Joss makes a crazy superman play.

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Speaker 2: Dalton Kink, You're an incredible drops it.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm showing one play from each of these games,

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Speaker 3: twenty three, Well you never want to hear tetchable ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was right there.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty three. Remember Tyler Vass, I hate this the

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Speaker 3: We're gonna slay the dragon. We're gonna go, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: move on out. Nope, dead push done. It's just incredible

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Speaker 3: This is the weirdest one home in the snow against

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Speaker 3: This was like a no show for Buffalo. This game

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Speaker 2: Do you even want to do twenty twenty one, Let's

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Speaker 3: It is known aed thirteen seconds and it's going to

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Speaker 2: Even still if they do twenty twenty one, January twenty

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Speaker 3: I mean, this game, it's maybe the most entertaining football

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Speaker 2: Loss of your career. I'm sitting at.

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Speaker 3: Five of them, and we're only at halfway through Josh

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Speaker 2: So if you're a Bills fan.

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Speaker 3: If you're a Josh Allen fan, if you're Josh Allen yourself,

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Speaker 3: you look at someone like John Elway. John Elway, who

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Speaker 3: just hope in this movie, at some point the hero

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Speaker 3: but it's time. Caleb Williams made the news this week

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Speaker 3: for moving to trademark the nickname Iceman. This news after

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Speaker 3: the last of several months of Caleb's starting to be

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Speaker 3: It's rattled a few cages from people all over different

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Speaker 3: Iceman belongs to another athlete or another character. I understand this,

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Speaker 3: I do, and honestly, I was reluctant to embrace the

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Speaker 2: Caleb too, because while it is a very.

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Speaker 3: Cool nickname, it's not original at all, and Kayleb Williams

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Speaker 3: But I want you to know I've come around, and

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Speaker 3: partly because I've seen the same take from so many

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Speaker 3: There's only one Iceman, over and over and over. I've

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Speaker 3: seen that, and it's also just totally wrong. There's not

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Speaker 3: someone's nickname. He's just joining a very cool club that's over.

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Speaker 2: Eighty years old. If you're an older person, maybe you're Iceman.

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Speaker 3: Maybe George Gervin the Spurs Hall of Famer in the

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Speaker 2: For many, he's the og Iceman. I get it.

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Speaker 3: But decades earlier, Eugene O'Neil had written a Broadway play

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Speaker 3: called The Iceman Cometh, which has starred Denzel Kevin Space,

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Speaker 3: Jason Robards and more for years. So for some, that's

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Speaker 3: the og Iceman. Did George Gervin steal the name from Broadway? No,

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Speaker 3: because even before George Gervin took it to the court,

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Speaker 3: Iceman the superhero debuted in The X Men number one

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Speaker 2: To Tom Kazanski.

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Speaker 3: Let's go ice cold, no mistakes, top guy.

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Speaker 2: You know who he is.

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Speaker 3: There's also another one who played on The Phillies. You

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Speaker 3: And I've never once been bitter that he stole his

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Speaker 2: That's my man, that's Tom Kazanski.

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Speaker 3: Nor was I bitter when Chuck Liddell was the baddest

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Speaker 2: Nor was I during.

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Speaker 3: The Patriots two thousand and one Super Bowl run when

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Speaker 3: Adam Vini Terry was getting called the Iceman. I mean

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer Red Grange from Wheaton, Illinois had the

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Speaker 3: is a hundred years old. And that's why I'm on

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Speaker 3: Iceman endures.

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Speaker 2: It is not just a nickname. It's a tradition. It's

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Speaker 2: really an air loom. Someone new. We'll have it after

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Speaker 2: Caleb and I like it.

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Speaker 3: Also, last night, my twelve year old tossed his socks

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Speaker 3: the shot. It works. The kids are doing it. The

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Speaker 3: old should get on board with it. Iceman, Fitz Caleb,

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Speaker 3: it's not.

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Speaker 2: Just cool, it's cold.

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