1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece Sweet sixteen. I don't want 2 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: the twins to grow up and move away, but I 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: look forward to sweet sixteen or sixteenth birthday for them. 4 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, they are turning fifteen and a 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: certain name that keeps going through my head over and 6 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: over and over. McKenna Brown, gorgeous, so smart, sixteen and 7 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: a hockey star in Florida. She committed suicide. But I 8 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: want to know why. Is it true that mean girls, 9 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: real life mean girls. You've all seen the movie Real 10 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:13,279 Speaker 1: Life Mean Girls drove her to suicide? Is this true? 11 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: And if so, what if anything will being done about it? 12 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: I Meanancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for 13 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation, and Sirius XM 14 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: one eleven, first of all, take a listen to this. 15 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: I went upstairs the next morning and opened the door 16 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: and I she was on the ground, face down, and 17 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: I thought she was sleeping. She could sleep anywhere, She 18 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: truly could sleep anywhere, and so I didn't realize initially 19 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 1: what I was looking at. And I went over to 20 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: her and went to turn her over, and she was 21 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,559 Speaker 1: cold and stiff, and I knew that she was gone. 22 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: On all the seventh days before the first day of school, 23 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: she took her own life. It's in total hell, and 24 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: I know she's all around us still, but she's not 25 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 1: here physically and that hurts. More than a thousand people 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: showed up to pay their respects at her memorial service, 27 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 1: including all of Palm Herbert Fire Rescue, where her dad 28 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: is a lieutenant. This brave, brave mother speaking Cheryl. This 29 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: is McKenna's mother speaking to our friend doctor Phil and 30 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirteen. Why did this have to happen? 31 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: With me and All Star panel to make sense of 32 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: what we know right now? But first I want to 33 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: introduce to you two very special guests. And I do 34 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: not know how they are putting one foot in front 35 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: of the other, but I think it's because they want 36 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: to help other teams, like their daughter McKenna with me, 37 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: Cheryl and Hunter Brown, McKenna's mom and dad. To the Browns, 38 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us, Thank you, Nancy, Thank 39 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: you for having us. I have so many questions for you. 40 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: I want to understand what happened and what if anything, 41 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:15,559 Speaker 1: can be done to stop this, To stop A gorgeous, talented, 42 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: brilliant teen girl like your daughter from taking her life 43 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: and what drove her to that? And is it true 44 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: that three, essentially three mean girls drove her to do this. 45 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: It was a group of four girls, four. I'm glad 46 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: to know that. Yeah, miss Brown, before you found McKenna, 47 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: you thought asleep. Did you know that there was trouble brewing? 48 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: Not to the extent that it was brewing. I knew, 49 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: you know, earlier that week. You know, in less than 50 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: four days, there have been some some boy drama some 51 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of McKenna's friends that accused her of breaking the girl 52 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: code after she had talked to one of the boys 53 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: is an ex boyfriend from two years earlier. And you know, 54 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: there was some negative correspondence ranging from you know, tex 55 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: phone calls that led up to that weekend breaking the 56 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: girl code. Guys, take a listen. As it's explained to 57 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: doctor Pheel, Tuesday evening, she was with girlfriends out on 58 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: the beach. One of her friends his her ex boyfriend, 59 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: was on the beach there with her. She had known 60 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: him for a couple of years as well. They had 61 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: dated two years earlier, and they started talking and flirting 62 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: with each other. McKenna wanted to make sure that her 63 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,279 Speaker 1: friend was okayed and wanted to be awkward, had asked 64 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: her if she would be okay with them talking Wednesday 65 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: evening when a group of them went to the Causeway 66 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: and she continued hanging out with him, and you know 67 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: it obviously wasn't okay with this person hanging out with 68 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 1: somebody's ex boyfriend from two years ago. On one night 69 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: in a group listen to more, she went and spent 70 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: the night with a couple of the girlfriends that evening 71 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: and they dropped her off at our house on Thursday. 72 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: Later on that evening, she started getting a barrage of 73 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: texts and phone calls from the girl with the ex boyfriend. 74 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: She tried to kind of distance herself and not respond. 75 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: Friday evening, she sent a text to this person saying that, 76 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: you know, if I crossed the line, I'm sorry. She 77 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: she sent that for her just so that she'd feel better, 78 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of park it there. It didn't matter 79 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: how she responded, but she was, you know, owning it 80 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 1: if she crossed the line. But then suddenly McKenna knew 81 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: things had absolutely gone sidewise. Listen. The next day, we 82 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: spent the day together, you know, talking through it. We 83 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: were very close. She was my best friend. And we 84 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: went to dinner and she looked down at her phone. 85 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: She'd been ignoring her phone most of the day, just 86 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: trying to put some distance between it, and she looked 87 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: at her phone in the snap map, she looked down 88 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: and she saw the four friends that had been sending 89 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: her texts and phone calls and you know snaps. They 90 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 1: were all together at her friend's house, you know, just 91 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: a short ways from our house, and they'd come from 92 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: fair distance all to be together. Okay, if you don't 93 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: know what snap is, snapchat or snap map, you're about too. 94 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: How hurtful do you think it was? To mckinna, a 95 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: teen girl which she luis and sees all of her 96 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: friends are right down the street together, but nobody invited 97 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: her listen. So she saw on the snap map that 98 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: they were all together, and her face just kind of 99 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: went white, like I feel like that was a turning 100 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: point for her. She had been getting all these you know, 101 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: correspondences and trying to ignore them. She saw that and 102 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: she just, you know, we went home that evening, we 103 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: watched a movie together again, just talking, and she decided that, 104 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, we were going to church the next morning, 105 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: she said she was going to go upstairs and wash 106 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: her hair and clean up her room and she might 107 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: be back down. She didn't come back down, and I 108 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: didn't think anything of it, because you know, it's here. 109 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: The next morning for church, you were hearing McKenna's mother 110 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: speaking to her friend, doctor Phiel, and miss Brown, Cheryl 111 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Brown and mckinna's dad Hunt or both with us. Now, 112 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Miss Brown, I feel like I'm living it through it 113 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: because it sounds just like my daughter Lucy. Before McKenna 114 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: told you about Snap, did you even know what it was? 115 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: I had an idea and I, you know, the whole 116 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: concept of disappearing messages always kind of haunted me because 117 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: there's no way to stay on top of it or 118 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: monitor it. Really, I think parents are in the dark 119 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to a lot of social media that 120 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: my daughter showed me, like the Snap map and you 121 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 1: know where you can actually see friends, you know, situated geographers, 122 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: queen on the map, you know, and it works all 123 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: around the world. I was driving the twins to my 124 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: hometown of Macon, Georgia, and my son was on Snap 125 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: and he said, guess where I forgot who Alexander is? 126 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm like where I thought, and they might say New 127 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: York or Florida. Said he's a Switzerland. What how do 128 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: you know that? And he goes, look, it's on my 129 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: snap map. You can find out where if they're on 130 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: Snap and they share their location, you can see where 131 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: all your friends are. And I'm just thinking about that 132 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 1: moment when mckinna looked, and so all of her girlfriends 133 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: all right down the street, but nobody invited her. I 134 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: don't even think it was so much the fact that 135 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: she wasn't with them. It was the fact that, you know, 136 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: two of them had been together, the other two were separate, 137 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: and there'd been a blurry of text back and forth 138 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: between her and them individually, and that and now that 139 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: you know, so it had been kind of going sideways 140 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: for a few days, and then now they were all together, 141 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, five traffic lights from our house as a group. 142 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: And I think that was more what said in on 143 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: her than just the fact that she'd been left out, 144 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: because she'd known by this point in time, you know, 145 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: she was on the outs with the group. They'd made 146 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: that fairly clear. She'd been trying to, you know, trying 147 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: for a approachment. They'd reached out individually. You know, they'd 148 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: had conversations that the detective sharing some of them with 149 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: me where you know, they accused her of this. He said, Okay, 150 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: yes I did that. You know, I probably shouldn't have 151 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. So, you know, I don't think 152 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: she expected to be there. I think it was more 153 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: of the fact that they were all together now, so 154 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: it had kind of all come full circle back to 155 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: where now they were all together hanging up on her 156 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: exactly like a cabal ganging upon her. And I mean, 157 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: let me understand this, miss Brown, Cheryl Brown. The whole 158 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:58,479 Speaker 1: thing started when the girls were together at the Causeway. 159 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: They're in Florida, and an ex boyfriend two years x 160 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: two years out of a relationship with what then thirteen 161 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: year old girl and who starts flirting with McKenna and 162 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: she flirts back like any red blooded American girl would. 163 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: Of course, she flirted back, right, But she asked the 164 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: friend first. Hey said, okay, if we're talking, and the 165 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: friend goes, yes, we're way over. That's what started this 166 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: whole thing. She was also there with her current boyfriend 167 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: on the beach, this friend, and that is what started 168 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: this whole thing. Yeah, there's two nights. There's Tuesday night 169 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: when they McKenna and the boyfriend first kind of flirted 170 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: when they were all at Saint Pete Beach, McKenna and 171 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: three of the group of four, and then on Wednesday, 172 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: McKenna and two of the group of four wound up 173 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: at the Causeway. So there's two different beaches on two 174 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: different nights. And then the one girl with the X 175 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: was not there on Wednesday nights, but the boyfriend was, 176 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: and McKenna and the boyfriend again you know, had interaction 177 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: and showed it would interest in each other. And then 178 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: obviously the two girls that were there relaid that back 179 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: to the age and then things started the spiral from there. 180 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace, Okay, it's amazing to me 181 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: that these ming girls, as they have been euphemistically called, 182 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,839 Speaker 1: ganging up and bullying McKenna to the point where she 183 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: takes her own life. It's amazing to me that, according 184 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: to reports, they have shown no remorse whatsoever. Take a 185 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox thirteen. She says she 186 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: was baffled when she saw the teammate who sent the 187 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: text at McKenna's funeral. Do you feel like no, I don't, 188 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: because she had mentioned to one of her friends she 189 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: got what she had deserved. It's all read. I was enraged. 190 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: For now, Brown says she's putting her faith in the 191 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: ongoing investigations, hopeful the teens realize the power behind their words. 192 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: I just wish she could have seen through it. The 193 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: suspensions would have still happened, and repercussions would have been there, 194 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: and she'd still be here. Okay, Cheryl and Hunter Brown, 195 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: please jump in whenever you have anything to add because 196 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: us parents out here like you, we want to do 197 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: everything we can to protect our children, even from themselves. 198 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: If one parent hears this and can help their teen 199 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: girl or boy, your words today will have made all 200 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: the difference, all the difference in the world. Also one 201 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: eight two seven three talk one eight hundred two seven 202 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: three eight two five five. That is the National Toll 203 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: Free Suicide Prevention Line. I'm just having a hard time 204 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: taking it all into doctor Jorry Crawls and psychologists joining 205 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: us Saint Leo University and author doctor Jory You know 206 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: it hurts adults when they feel rejected by family members 207 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: or friends. I remember having an argument with my brother 208 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: and do you know it upset me. For the next 209 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: two years. I wouldn't say anything because I didn't want 210 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: to start back up. But I love him and you know, 211 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: and I'm an adult. So when teen girls or boys 212 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 1: have an argument and their peers gang up on them, 213 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: of course they're upset. And with social media, that energizes. 214 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: And it's such a powerful platform because there's anonymity to it, 215 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: yet it goes out and it reaches you know, other people, 216 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 1: and trying to deal with that as a teenager. Doctor 217 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: Jorry guys, I'm calling him doctor Jory's doctor Jorry Cross, 218 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: and he's a renowned psychologist. The other day, my little girl, 219 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: Lucy came in to the din. I was sitting there 220 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: working and she had tears in her eyes. I said, honey, 221 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: what is it? She said, Mom, did you see what 222 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: they said about you? I'm like, who said what? No, 223 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: I didn't see it. She goes, look, she couldn't even 224 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: say the words, and she showed me it's somebody had 225 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: written on a star or Twitter or something, probably Twitter 226 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: the hate fest, but it said you're ugly? Why are 227 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: you on TV? And I laughed at me, Yes, it 228 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: wasn't me. But my daughter cried and it wasn't even 229 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: about her, and you know, finally the tears spilled over. 230 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: She was so upset that would hurt me. I can 231 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: only imagine doctor Jerry Cross and what words like that 232 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: do too a little girl, She's still a little girl 233 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: at sixteen. You see how powerful that is because of 234 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: that environment. I mean it just you know, the environment 235 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: of the social media. It just really energizes that type 236 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: of damage and information. And it's twenty four seven. Yes, 237 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: I think I ended up writing back something like, oh, 238 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: I know, aren't I the lucky is personally or something 239 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: like that. But that's after years of taking heat in 240 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: the courtroom and being called all kinds of things by 241 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: murderers and rapists and defendants and their cadre of lawyers. 242 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: Unlike a sixteen year old girl, everybody jump in when 243 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: you have a thought. This is way I'm just a JD. 244 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: This is way beyond anything I understand. Is how Hunter 245 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: Brown jumping in? Yeah it is. I just wanted to 246 00:15:56,320 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: get a couple things out here. I didn't realize till 247 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: this morning that you guys hadn't received the text or 248 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: anything like that. I asked Cheryl just in a minute 249 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: of a half hour before we came. First thing I'd 250 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: like to say is just in the in the weeks 251 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: after mccanna passed, actually the National Suicide and Depression Hotline 252 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: has changed to a nine eight eight number of works 253 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: like nine one one. Now you need to do is 254 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: dial nine eight eight from any phone and it hooks 255 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: you right up. Okay, let me say that very clearly. 256 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: Not if you dial nine eight eight the way you 257 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: would dial nine one one, you're immediately hooked into the 258 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: suicide hot line. Yes, that's the suicide in crisis, my lifeline. 259 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: You know what. I would like to take this opportunity 260 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 1: to reprimand everybody here in the studio, but I'm taking 261 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: full responsibility for that. I didn't know that, and that 262 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: is a good thing to know. It happened right after 263 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: me kind of past because you know, I've got a theory, 264 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: and everybody jump in if you agree or disagree. But 265 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: doctor Joy, I remember there were times after my fiance's 266 00:16:56,360 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: murder that I did not want to even live. Just thought, 267 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: why don't I just kill myself and be done with 268 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: it and I can be with him. But I have 269 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: found I learned several things the hard way that if 270 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: you can get through that crisis moment. The next day 271 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: you don't feel that way. You may feel that way again, 272 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: but if you can get through that crisis, that interval 273 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: of hours where you just don't want to live anymore, 274 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: how do you get past that? And I'm sure there's 275 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: got to be a name for that, doctor Jorry Crossing. Yea. 276 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: That's part of the grieving process. And really it's normal, okay, 277 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: and it needs to be integrated in, you know, just 278 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: like what you did. You saw the very next day, 279 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, and just like the parents would recognize that 280 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: she's taken it day by day and that's the way 281 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do it, and it's going to 282 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: be for the rest of your life. You have to 283 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: recognize that too. I got a question for you, Earl 284 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and Hunter. These are McKenna's mom and dad with us. 285 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: What were the girls saying to her on snap? So 286 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: that was what I was going to get into after 287 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: the nine to eight eight point, I just wanted to 288 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: point out, like, the social media is a big aspect 289 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: of this, the social media, and they used phone, Twitter, 290 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: phone snatchet, Instagram and TikTok I believe as well. And 291 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: you were canceling her, so canceling. You know, that was 292 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: what happened over social media, was they were going to 293 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,919 Speaker 1: cancel McKenna. You know, they pulled two friends over the 294 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: phone that she'll have no friends or you know, their 295 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: goal was to make sure she didn't have a single 296 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: friend left. So that played a big part in all 297 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: of this. But I think you know, McKenna was a goalie, 298 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,959 Speaker 1: she was a warrior. She was pretty tough and pretty feisty. 299 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: I think she could have persevered and survived through that. 300 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: I think what really pushed her over the edge and 301 00:18:54,080 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 1: made you know, unbeknownst to us her freshman year basically team, 302 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: she had been sexually assaulted. And she kept that a 303 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: secret for three years. And then our understanding is on 304 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: Wednesday night at the Causeway, she had revealed to one 305 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: of one or both. I'm not one hundred percent certain 306 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 1: of the friends that were there that she had been 307 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. You know, I've made some mistakes, as the 308 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: doctors know. You know, that weighs heavily on a fourteen 309 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: year old school high school girl, and you know, so 310 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: she had been carrying that burden secretly tours with by 311 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: herself and struggling through it and all that. In my 312 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: line of work, we see them all the time, and people, never, adults, 313 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: never recover from that. And you know, so that weighed 314 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 1: heavily on her mentally, and she shared that, she said, 315 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: don't let this happen to you, you know, don't make 316 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 1: the mistakes I've made. Don't let this this will ruin 317 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: your life kind of thing. And then they betrayed that, 318 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: gave that back to the girl whose brother had actually 319 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: been the one that had sexually assaulted her, and then 320 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: they shared that via screen captures of texts, a half 321 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: dozen screen captures, five or six of them from one 322 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: of the girls and one from McKenna, where along with 323 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, a list of boys and all this stuff, 324 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 1: and they revealed back to teammates and friends. And I 325 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 1: think that and I think that's what pushed McKenna over 326 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: the edge, was being this humiliation and the deep secret 327 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: that she had carried forever and then had betrayed back 328 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: to her in a matter of days being shared with 329 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: her teammates and friends. I'm pretty sure that's what probably 330 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: ultimately drove her to her end. It's amazing to me 331 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: as well, Cheryl, that you believe these girls have no 332 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: remorse and actually sits she deserved what she got, that 333 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: she deserved to die. That information is from friends that 334 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: came forward after and helped us kind of piece together 335 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: what had happened, what it actually happens, you know, days 336 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: moments leading up to we've we've heard nothing. We've heard, 337 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, No, I'm sorries no, I mean, in fact, 338 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: it's kind of the opposite. Their families have kind of 339 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 1: they've appeeled. There's there's suspensions from the high school hockey league. 340 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: Three of the girls in mc kanna played in the 341 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: high school hockey league. All four of the girls in 342 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: mccanna played on a travel organization. They've been suspended from 343 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: the high school Hockey League sending appeals and the conclusion 344 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: of the USA Hockey investigation, and they've all field their suspensions. 345 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: You know, they've some of their families have gone. I'm 346 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: kind of a scorched earth policy turning it back on McKenna. 347 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: She broke the girl boone. How could she have done 348 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: what she did? You know, their daughters, like I said, 349 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: they don't see they don't see themselves as having done 350 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: anything wrong. They're not only no repercussions because there's no 351 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: law to support that. But you know they don't think 352 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: they've done any wrong either. Yes, so, because because there's 353 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: no law, they haven't broken a law, they've done nothing 354 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: wrong in their eyes. To Nicole Parton, joining US Crime 355 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: online dot Com invest to get every reporter, is it, 356 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: first of all, give me your rendition of what we 357 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: know right now, Nicole Partner, And you're a mother of 358 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: how many five? I'm a mother of five, yes, ma'am. Yes, 359 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: I thought that number is a stuck in my head. 360 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that the only repercussion so far 361 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: from these girls who bullied reportedly bullied McKenna to her death. 362 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 1: The only thing that's happened is that they were suspended 363 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: from the Florida High School Hockey League. Is that all? 364 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: That's it? And they can appeal that, so it's very 365 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 1: possible that they could be back on the hockey league. 366 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: They're all, as far as I'm aware, they're all in 367 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 1: appeals now trying to get back on the hockey league. 368 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: And that's all that's happened. And we've got to remember. 369 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 1: Stats show us that forty percent of all teenagers in 370 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: America between the ages of twelve and seventeen have experienced 371 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: some type of severe cyber bullying. So this is an epic, 372 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: epic problem that we have in our nation, and there 373 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: has got to be stiffer punishment for these type of 374 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: things that are happening. As a parent, this is my 375 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: worst nightmare. My children have been bullied because we're an 376 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: interracial family. And to these parents, Cherylyn Hunter, my heart 377 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: breaks for you. I cannot even pretend to imagine what 378 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: you're feeling. There's got to be stiffer punishment. We have 379 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: to be run into this type of bullying. With me 380 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: is Titania Jordan. She is a chief parent officer with 381 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: BARK and the author of Parenting in a Tech World, 382 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: and you can find her at Bark dot us on 383 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: Twitter at Titania Jordan. And I've got to tell you 384 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: I have BARK and it monitors the twins, cell phones 385 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: and devices, and it's extremely sensitive to words that would 386 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: induce that would refer to harm, suicide, cyber bullying. And 387 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: here's an example that I give to explain how sensitive 388 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: BARK is. My son was goalie at his middle school team, 389 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: and he was so proud that one time he dove 390 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: through the net to stop a goal of the opposing 391 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: side and his arm was covered in bruises from diving 392 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: through the net. Well, he was so proud he took 393 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: a picture of it and sent it to his friends 394 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: and captain it. They didn't get the goal, you know 395 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: when the bruise was proof. Well, I got that immediately 396 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 1: and nearly did a backflip until I went and got 397 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: his phone. I thought, how could John David be hurting himself? 398 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,199 Speaker 1: Until I saw his phone and he was really just 399 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 1: showing off a trophy, a soccer trophy. That's how sensitive 400 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: these net nannies are. Okay, titarn you go ahead. Yes, 401 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: So you mentioned a forty percent rate of children twelve 402 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: to seventeen experience severe cyber bulling, and in fact, in 403 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, for our case study of billions of 404 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: data points, we showed that seventy three percent of tweens 405 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: that's eight to twelve year olds and eighty five percent 406 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: of teens experienced bulling either as a bully, victim or witness. 407 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: And unfortunately, we have observed a thirteen percent uptick in 408 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: online bulling events since children return to school this school 409 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: there and as a mom of a thirteen year old 410 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: who has received BARK alerts for children bullying him in 411 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: his current eighth grade situation. I just my heart goes 412 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: out to you, and they're absolutely do need to be 413 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: more stringent laws that hold children accountable? Yeah, go ahead, 414 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 1: Hunter Brown. I was considered just there needs to be 415 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: consequences that show and the turk kids from from bullying. 416 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: If that's you know, if you think that the moral 417 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: compass is enough, But I mean, there needs to be consequences. 418 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: Straight out to David Bianci joining us as Centulli family lawyer. 419 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: He is America's leading hazing lawyer out of Miami at 420 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: st fblaw dot com. Jump in, David. Yeah, so, Nancy, 421 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: I just would make a two quick comments everything. These 422 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: are such horrific cases. I feel horrible for this family 423 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: and everyone else with the whole bullying thing. It is 424 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: not unlike hazing in college. It's very similar and the 425 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: consequences are similar because in college hazing cases, young males 426 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: usually get seriously injured or they die because they're being 427 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: essentially bullied or hazed. And to bring us back to 428 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Florida where this happened, there are laws in Florida regarding bullying. 429 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: There is one law called the Jeffrey Johnston Stand Up 430 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: for All Students Act, which is a byproduct of a 431 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: horrific middle school suicide that happened in Cape Coral to 432 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 1: an honors student because he was bullied, and a new 433 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: law got passed in Florida that says bullying in schools 434 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: is illegal and the schools have to do a whole 435 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: bunch of things to stop it. But it doesn't make 436 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: it criminal. It puts the obligation on the schools to 437 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: rein it. In in addition to that, we have a 438 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: criminal statute in Florida that says stalking is a crime, 439 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: including cyberstalking, and a lot of these bullying things that 440 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: happen with teens can be categorized as cyberstalking under Florida's 441 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: criminal law. And the third prong of what the legal 442 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: system can do is the civil court system, because in Florida, 443 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: there's a Florida Supreme Court case, so not that long ago, 444 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 1: that says that parents can be liable under certain circle 445 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 1: substances if they failed to exercise reasonable care when they 446 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: knew that one of their kids was going to inflict 447 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: injury or possibly inflict injury on another student. So that's 448 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: a way to rein it in under the civil law 449 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: in Florida. I'm very curious in this case whether charges 450 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 1: are being considered. What about it, Cheryl Brown, I know 451 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: that they're not. No one is even considering charges. No, 452 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: So I met with the detective. In fact, I am 453 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: expecting to pick up the investigative you know the file. 454 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: I actually thought I would have it last Wednesday, and 455 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: they're about to close the case. He's just waiting on 456 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: his sergeant. Basically, as he said, as the attorney said, 457 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, bullying is illegal, but all that law does 458 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: is it ties the hand of the school and it 459 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: requires the school to take certain action and provides a 460 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: bully child with the opportunity to change schools or to 461 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: get a scholarship to the tax money back to go 462 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: to a private school. Cyber bully. Cyber stocking can be 463 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: used to prove a half period of stocking, which can 464 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: then be charged as stocking. Like he said, but if 465 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: you look at the Rebecca Sedgwate case that happened a 466 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: decade ago, Sheriff Brady Judge, who you know, never looked 467 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: away from a camera, and you know Buffs the camera 468 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: loves the Limelight loves to be very aggressive when he 469 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: brings charges. He charged two girls in that case. In 470 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: that case, a twelve year old girl, a month before 471 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: her birthday, not unlike McKenna, climbed the three story water 472 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: abandoned water tower and jumped to her death because she'd 473 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: been you know, hazed online, bullied for a prolonged period 474 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 1: of time. She'd been taken out of school, she'd been homeschool, 475 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: she'd changed schools. These girls continued to stock her. They 476 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: recruited other girls to come in and to bully her. 477 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: They had recruited other girls to join in. And Sheriff 478 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: Brady Judd brought charges against those two girls, and even 479 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: ultimately he was forced to drop those charges. No prosecution occurred. 480 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: The Rebecca's Law gain traction in Tallahassee for a year 481 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: or two, they thought it was going to pass and 482 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: all that it never got passed. It never became law. 483 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: The laws in Florida have not changed, and these cases 484 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 1: are very difficult to bring charges and to make them 485 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: stick and to prosecute, and even ultimately if they were 486 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: able to bring charges or whatever and prosecute and see 487 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: them to their to their conclusion, it is like a 488 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: thousand dollars fine and up to a year in jail. 489 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: And he said, the detective said, ultimately, you know, it 490 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: would be like, you know, counseling kind of thing or 491 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: behavior modification in the end, and the sheriff's department just 492 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: was the sheriff's office just wasn't willing to you know, 493 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: they didn't see it as a winnable case. Two, Cheryl Brown, 494 00:30:54,280 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm flummixed at your theory that these girls, no remorse whatsoever, 495 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: came to the funeral, your daughter's funeral and would not 496 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 1: even speak to you. They didn't. The parents came up 497 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: and you know, with white faces like they you know, 498 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: they looked guilty, They looked like they knew, and they 499 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: obviously knew more than we did at that point, because 500 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: it wasn't until after the funeral that mckenneth's friends other 501 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: teammates came forward with the screenshots and, as I said, 502 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: helped us piece together what we're on the text. What 503 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 1: were they saying to calling her names? They had listed, um, 504 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, a group of six different you know, boy 505 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: names that two of which mckenned didn't even know who 506 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: they were. Another one that she hadn't talked to. They 507 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: were basically, you know, accusing her of again breaking the 508 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: girl could and then ultimately, as Hunter had mentioned, sharing 509 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: that information that she had been keeping secret for three 510 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 1: years and mass distributing that to her teammates and friends. Oh, 511 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: you know, grown women in their thirties, forties, fifties do 512 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: not want to talk about a sex assault, be it 513 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: right or any other type of sex assault grown women, 514 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: much less a little girl exactly, and something that she 515 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: had been keeping, you know, a secret for three years. 516 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: When she went upstairs that Saturday night, the night before 517 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: she passed away, she will then have looked at her 518 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: phone obviously and saw this and saw the social media 519 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: canceling and saw the you know, the distribution of this 520 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: bundle of texts that you know that had been distributed 521 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: by the group. And the only reason she revealed she 522 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: actually told Cheryl like two nights before she passed about 523 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: the sexual assault and the only reason she even mentioned 524 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,960 Speaker 1: it to Cheryl was because the girl had threatened to 525 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: phone her phone her parents and she knew at that 526 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: point in time. So you know, that will have been 527 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: what mccanna would have impetus behind her, says, the impetus 528 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: behind her finally sharing it with us, and Nancy, if 529 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: I could make one last observation, please, this is a 530 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: bit broader than the specific issue you're talking about, but 531 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: I cannot help but think that what we see in 532 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: these school bullying cases and the college hazing cases is 533 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: really just symptomatic of a much bigger problem we have 534 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: in this country. And we are seeing bullying at every 535 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: level of our society. And it goes on every day 536 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: in politics and politics in Washington, DC, in campaign season 537 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: like the one we're in now, in state level politics 538 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: and school board politics, we have seen bullying like we've 539 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: never seen it before. These kids are exposed to witnessing 540 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: all of that, and frankly, they're just doing what they're 541 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: seeing adults do. And until adults get their act together, 542 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: it's going to be impossible to rain this in when 543 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: it comes to kids. And I'm no expert on that, 544 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: but that's my two cents. Time Stories with Nancy Grace 545 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: to doctor Tim Gallagher, the medical Examiner for the State 546 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: of Florida. You can find him at pathcaremed dot com. 547 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: Lecturer University Florida Medical School, founder and host of the 548 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation conference, Doctor Gallagher. McKenna's parents 549 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: believe that she saw another barrage of these texts and 550 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: snapchats calling her all sorts of hurtful names by her 551 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: so called friends. And when the mom got up there 552 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: and saw her the next morning, she was cold to 553 00:34:55,880 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: the touch. That tells me their theory is correct. And 554 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: I'm asking this for a probitive reason. I believe that 555 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: the texts and the snaps and the posts were a 556 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: direct cause of her suicide. And I want I'm coming 557 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: to you on the time it would have taken from 558 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:27,320 Speaker 1: McKenna's body. This beautiful, sweet sixteen year old girl would 559 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: just tear up the hockey field for her body to 560 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: be cold to the touch, doctor Gallagher, and am beyond temperature. 561 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: Let's just say seventy degrees sixty nine in the home. 562 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:48,400 Speaker 1: How long would it have been for her to reach 563 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: that body temperature? Well, the body asked her death cools 564 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 1: at about one degree per hour in ambient temperature. So 565 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: if her body was cool to the touch, it most 566 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:06,439 Speaker 1: likely would have been deceased for several hours, possibly five, six, 567 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: seven or eight hours. You know another point that I 568 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: wanted to bring up. You know, in light of this 569 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 1: tragic case is that this isn't, from my point of view, 570 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: an isolated incident. You know, we're seeing this in the 571 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office more and more frequently. The other problem 572 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: is that the victims of this cyber bullying are becoming 573 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: progressively younger and younger. We have decedents who had taken 574 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: their own lives for the same reason, who are thirteen 575 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,480 Speaker 1: years old, twelve years old, and it all generates back 576 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 1: to their social media interactions with their friends and their 577 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 1: I guess phenemies is what they're calling them now. You know, 578 00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: I want to jump off what you just said, doctor 579 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: Tim now all her too, McKenna's moms, Cheryl Brown or 580 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: Dad Hunter Brown, either one of you. You know, I'm 581 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: trying to accept that from my children, what their peers 582 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: think and say seemingly impacts them more than what their 583 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: father and I think or say. I'm wonder of us 584 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: because we give them unconditional love, they don't have to 585 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,799 Speaker 1: worry as much. But I think that that is a 586 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: single most powerful influence on them. Their peers. It's their 587 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,879 Speaker 1: world at that age, it's their whole world and absolutely 588 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 1: to undevelop brains, you know, it's and they're more impulsive 589 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: at that age. And you know, I was let Cheryl 590 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: comment on this, and I had a comment that I'd 591 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,640 Speaker 1: like to circle back to um. But like in McKenna's 592 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: note with Ryl can talk about you know, she talks 593 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: about her family versus what was going on in her 594 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: friend world. She left us a note and the timeline 595 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000 Speaker 1: he's very correct because Cheryl last saw Charyl let the 596 00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: dog out to McKenna's room at three o'clock in the morning, 597 00:37:57,600 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: and then she went up to get her to go 598 00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: to church right around after I got home to them 599 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: from the fire station. So the time and when I 600 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,600 Speaker 1: let the dog out of the room, I stepped into 601 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: a room and I saw her in bed and she 602 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: was snoring. So it happened between three thirty and nine thirty. 603 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: And I mean obviously not at nine thirty, because at 604 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: the you know, she was cool. So it had happened 605 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: sometime in between and rigor had set in. I've got 606 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: two words, Michelle Carter. She pushed her very sensitive boyfriend 607 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 1: to commit suicide and she was tried and convicted. So 608 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 1: it can be done if the police investigate this case 609 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: and get the warrants to connect those texts, those snapchats, 610 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: those social postings to the time of her death, and 611 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: this she got what she deserved. I think it's a 612 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: very damning statement to show the frame of mind of 613 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 1: the so called mean girls that putting ephemistically that they thought, 614 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,600 Speaker 1: this is exactly what she deserved. Translation, this is what 615 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: we intended. I believe a jury may see it that way. 616 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: Of course, all of them and their families insist there 617 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: innocently had nothing to do with this, this horrible moment 618 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,399 Speaker 1: in the Brown family's lives. To the Browns, I just 619 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: wish that McKenna could have held on a few more 620 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,799 Speaker 1: hours until she was back and your loving arms and 621 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: your supportive words and your encouragement and her teammates would 622 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 1: have rallied around her. Yes, yeah they did. They came forward, 623 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,399 Speaker 1: they knew it had happened, was wrong, and she persevered 624 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,359 Speaker 1: just a few days, you know, and struggled through it. 625 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: Like Cheryl said, you know, the only reason we know 626 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: any of this is because after the Kanna passed and 627 00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: after the service, her friends started to come forward, you know, 628 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: and make phone calls and send us the text, you know, 629 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: forward the text to a friend of Cheryl's and then 630 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,280 Speaker 1: they got forward to us. Only reason we have any 631 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 1: knowledge other than you know that there had thinke been 632 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: a little bit of mean girl activity. But the only 633 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: reason we know anything about the screen catchers that work 634 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: forwards the teammates and friends, the phone calls that were made. Hey, 635 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,360 Speaker 1: you know, Hunter Brown, that's the kind of thing that 636 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 1: law enforcement should be gathering in this case. They have 637 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: all that mcckenna wiped her McKenna wiped her phone as 638 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: well and her social media accounts, and then of course 639 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,440 Speaker 1: the friend to quote friends had deleted all of the 640 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: their posts as well and all of their texts. Much 641 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,359 Speaker 1: of that can be reconstructed. While we were dealing with 642 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: discovering McKenna, getting the law enforcement, the fire department, who 643 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: is the neighboring department to us? If we lived next 644 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 1: door to the community on which I work, So the 645 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: neighboring department to mine whom I all move very well, 646 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: you know. Meanwhile, the four girls were at the beach. 647 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: The detective went right over to that house. The detective 648 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,319 Speaker 1: went right over and yep, the girls are at the beach. 649 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 1: So they talked to the parents there, who, Cheryl, tell 650 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 1: me what you're a day in your life is right now. 651 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: I wake up every morning hoping it's a nightmare and 652 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,359 Speaker 1: knowing that it's not. I mean, for the first month, 653 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: I was thrown up every morning. Just once that realization 654 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: set in, and now it's you know, I hear songs, 655 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,600 Speaker 1: I see pictures, and you know, it makes you cry, 656 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: and I hope I get to the point where I 657 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,040 Speaker 1: you know, they'll make me smile again. She was just 658 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,320 Speaker 1: such an amazing kid too, you know, popular, beautiful, funny, 659 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: just loved by everyone that met her. She was a 660 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: future scholar into national championships, would have been three times, 661 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,840 Speaker 1: but one got canceled because of COVID, and she was 662 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 1: the one helping others, like she was the one including 663 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: others that were feeling left out that we're new, they 664 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,560 Speaker 1: didn't have any friends, that were feeling bullied. She walked 665 00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, a student so the parking lot twice because 666 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: they felt bullied. She was the one that was, you know, 667 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: very cog is nobody what was going on. If nobody 668 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: would talk to the studenter they were ostracized, you know, 669 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,960 Speaker 1: she would. She was the one that would talk to 670 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: them and you know, make them feel like they belonged. 671 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: Mister miss Brown I know that these may sound like 672 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,480 Speaker 1: empty words, but they're not. We care so much about 673 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: what you're going through, and I pray to God in 674 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,760 Speaker 1: Heaven that you're speaking out today will help just even 675 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: one child, one team girl or boy, get through that 676 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: dark moment. Just if you could just give what is 677 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: your advice to parents? Parents like me, having open dialogue 678 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: and constant conversations with your kids. I know that a 679 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 1: lot of people have come forward since McKenna has passed away, 680 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: and conversations are being had that weren't being had before 681 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: because of these statistics about all these kids going through 682 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: and experiencing some type or form of bullyers cyber bullying. 683 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: But having those conversations with your kids, and you know, 684 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: kids are kids. Kids have secrets. But some secrets are 685 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: too heavy a burden to bear by themselves. And most 686 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: of the time they are a secret because they think 687 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,799 Speaker 1: that the parents are going to be upset or mad, 688 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: or they're going to get in trouble. Parents just want 689 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: to help their kids. It is unconditional love, and they 690 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,640 Speaker 1: they got to know that they can talk to them 691 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: and that they're there for them and they've always got 692 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 1: their back. My advice would be don't don't think it 693 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: can't happen to you. I mean, we live in a 694 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: very affluent area. You know, our son went through the 695 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: school as well. He played hockey for the high school team. Uh, McKenna. 696 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: Our understanding is she's she's right around. There's a half 697 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:48,560 Speaker 1: dozen get suicides in that school. It's an a rated 698 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: school in a very affluent area. There's been a half 699 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,799 Speaker 1: at least a half dozen suicides in a half dozen years. 700 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: One of them played football, two of them were swimmers. 701 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: One I already had any one a full one scholarship, 702 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: one was a band member, McKenna. You know they were 703 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,880 Speaker 1: all scholar at four scholar athletes, a band member, and 704 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: then we believe there's at least one no other. And 705 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,600 Speaker 1: there's a number of people who have come forward to 706 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,080 Speaker 1: whose children also had unsuccessful accounts, who have been bullied 707 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 1: in that school quite severely as well. So you know, 708 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,839 Speaker 1: don't think it can happen. I don't think it can't 709 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: happen to you, just because you know your kids go 710 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: to a Greade school and are doing well athletically, academically 711 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: and socially. I've got to tell you something to Sherylan 712 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: Hunter Brown, your comments have had a huge, a profound 713 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: impact on me, and I don't know where you're getting 714 00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: the strength to continue, McKenna, but I do want to 715 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,040 Speaker 1: let you know from McKenna that you are having a 716 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 1: huge impact on this world. Nancy Grace signing off good 717 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,920 Speaker 1: bye three