Speaker 1: Hey there, Fana Ritos. Welcome to an all new episode
Speaker 1: of How Rude Tanner Ritos. Our guests today played a
Speaker 1: character who was always a hot topic between Kimmy and DJ,
Speaker 1: whether she's bragging about her moped, giving the girls a
Speaker 1: crash course on Junior High, or taking shop class because
Speaker 1: she thought it took place at the mall. Kathy Santoni
Speaker 1: is always a topic of conversation. We are so excited
Speaker 1: to have Anne Marie McAvoy on the podcast with us
Speaker 1: today to talk about her iconic role. Welcome and Marie.
Speaker 2: I put on mass scara.
Speaker 1: As long as you assume the position, the position terribly right.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah for mascara guys for makeup.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: What you said, assume the position, assume.
Speaker 1: The position, and then you open your mouth. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is a terrible out of context. That sounds terrible, But.
Speaker 4: Hopefully they don't use that as the snippet for this episode.
Speaker 4: You know what is happenings.
Speaker 3: Kathy s Antoni shows up in a crop top and
Speaker 3: this is what happens. We're We're so glad to have
Speaker 3: you on the show though today, Amory, it's I mean,
Speaker 3: we hadn't seen you from the original show until we
Speaker 3: did Fuller House, so it has been slightly more recently,
Speaker 3: but still Kathy Santoni is a fan favorite.
Speaker 4: Just so you know, people are very excited.
Speaker 2: Well I'm a favorite. Oh no, no, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 2: guys favorite. So you know how long it took? So
Speaker 2: I remember it was something like nine months, maybe longer
Speaker 2: than that, like like you could grow a person in
Speaker 2: a length of time between when they asked me about
Speaker 2: Fuller House and when like a very very bigrudged, not begrudgingly,
Speaker 2: that's not the great word. I was not going to
Speaker 2: say Yes'm not going to say it's not going to Oh,
Speaker 2: Jeff called, Jeff left messages you there were we talked
Speaker 2: on the phone. I was still not sold. And this
Speaker 2: is like nine months, right that this toll period. I
Speaker 2: think you'd reach out here. And then finally my my
Speaker 2: now nineteen year old, said I do I think, mom,
Speaker 2: I think kind of cool.
Speaker 3: That's like, you know what when your nineteen year old
Speaker 3: was like that would be cool, You're like that never happens.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm doing it right.
Speaker 2: You have to do like I better do that like
Speaker 2: lightning shell strike. So that was that was that.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you did, because, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: what a great, what a great cameo from Kathy Santoni.
Speaker 1: But let's go back to nineteen eighty nine where it
Speaker 1: all began with the Back to School Blues episode, which
Speaker 1: we were just referring to with the Meskara.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, what a great I mean, what just such
Speaker 3: a classic episode. I mean, that's one of the ones
Speaker 3: I think of very often. I mean, you know now
Speaker 3: that I've seen it, but no, it's one of the
Speaker 3: ones that I that I like, is such is so
Speaker 3: indicative of like Kimmy and DJ's relationship, and and again
Speaker 3: like meeting the the only the in name only person
Speaker 3: that we've heard of Kathy Santoni, Like that was a
Speaker 3: big deal.
Speaker 1: What do you remember about your audition?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 1: I have so many questions? What was what? What was
Speaker 1: this your first acting job? What was your audition? Like?
Speaker 1: How did you feel when you said audition?
Speaker 2: I'm like, what, I barely remember most of the weeks
Speaker 2: of relatable shit, So but I don't remember more more
Speaker 2: than you guys do. I'm sure like you weren't watching
Speaker 2: the episodes. I was, but I listened to your podcast
Speaker 2: episode yesterday, like full on the whole thing, because we're like,
Speaker 2: right now we have dogs, we like legos.
Speaker 4: So yeah, do you remember auditioning?
Speaker 2: I mean I remember the latest memory of that in
Speaker 2: any way shape.
Speaker 1: Or had you seen like that you've seen before you
Speaker 1: came door set? Okay?
Speaker 3: You know, so I started acting when I was six,
Speaker 3: So you started acting at six, which is obviously Kathy.
Speaker 4: What did you you were at the audition?
Speaker 1: I was at your audition read like No, there was
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 2: You were a third callback or something like that.
Speaker 4: Oh maybe like a like a chemistry reading.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that's what I remember. That's possible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course it's possible. Kathy's Antonio. This was a
Speaker 1: big deal. So they had to get it right, you know.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, they knew so much then they knew
Speaker 2: like they really It's almost like they had a vision
Speaker 2: for a show.
Speaker 1: So what did they tell you about the character of
Speaker 1: Kathy Santoni, like in your sides or in the character description?
Speaker 1: Did they say, you know, she's like yes.
Speaker 2: So I played two types of characters at that time, uh,
Speaker 2: because I was short, so you know, because like us
Speaker 2: all and so I did DumbLand, you know, ditzy and
Speaker 2: sarcasm right, like, oh really sarcastic. So I had a
Speaker 2: Family Ties episode that was like I chewed up the
Speaker 2: inside of my cheek just trying not to laugh, like
Speaker 2: during this like Michael Keaton scene. So I'd done a
Speaker 2: lot of like girl scout things and that was so
Speaker 2: funny in my But that was like that was a
Speaker 2: lot like the catchy Santoni character, I think, which was
Speaker 2: just like innocence but like so like naive but like
Speaker 2: an accidental I'm wearing that red top and that little
Speaker 2: black skirt and I just kind of accidentally showed up
Speaker 2: and like that was the thing to do. And I
Speaker 2: have no idea what your question was. I'm really bad
Speaker 2: at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what did you know about Kathy Santoni before
Speaker 1: you went into the audition? Did they say she's a
Speaker 1: she's a ditsy character? Is she you know? Did they
Speaker 1: talk about the crop top? Like what did they.
Speaker 3: She's Like, I have no idea other than I gave
Speaker 3: the social Security number and possibly kidney away.
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened in your vision.
Speaker 2: Talked about my upper body tour, So yeah, well but
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Then, Okay, we will Will. We reviewed this episode of
Speaker 1: like a month or two ago, and I my cheeks
Speaker 1: got so hot watching rewatching that scene where I had
Speaker 1: to stuff my As a thirteen, I was so mortified,
Speaker 1: mortified to wear the crop top or I.
Speaker 2: Was mortified because my belly, Oh my, I would never
Speaker 2: very Yeah, I went to Catholic school, like this was
Speaker 2: not so I was super uncomfortable and I thought it
Speaker 2: was just the baddest thing ever. Oh I know.
Speaker 3: I know, but that's I mean, that's what it was.
Speaker 3: And then that is very much what this business really
Speaker 3: makes you feel or think about. And even then when
Speaker 3: you are then you're like super skinny and you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't look like that, Like there's no you know
Speaker 3: again what we do ourselves as women.
Speaker 4: And sort of but like I am right. But for
Speaker 4: watching it, it was it was a very eye opening thing.
Speaker 3: We went, oh, this is I don't know for like
Speaker 3: this now this feels this hits a little different in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, I don't know anyway, but.
Speaker 2: Moving out. Look, we all stopped at the same time.
Speaker 4: As a horror fan, I have to say this. You
Speaker 4: you were Sarah and children born. Yes, I love. Sorry,
Speaker 4: I love horror movie.
Speaker 1: Do you know?
Speaker 3: I like, Okay, I was gonna that was what I
Speaker 3: was gonna ask. Was you were in a horror movie?
Speaker 3: Are you one of those people? That's because there are
Speaker 3: some people that are in them and it are like,
Speaker 3: I would never watch it.
Speaker 4: I'm terrified of this right now.
Speaker 3: I I love watching it, but AV knows that terrify me.
Speaker 4: And I'm then You're like, I'm interested.
Speaker 2: So no, yeah, I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: No. Not.
Speaker 4: How old were you when you did that movie? And
Speaker 4: do you remember much about that?
Speaker 2: I turned eight on the set of that one, so
Speaker 2: I looked like I was six, But so I start out,
Speaker 2: it came off from Ireland and I was six. I
Speaker 2: did like our chie bunker was my first.
Speaker 4: In the family. Oh my god, yeah, wow, you got
Speaker 4: to be the.
Speaker 2: Question this episode. Oh I had a thick accent?
Speaker 4: Classic.
Speaker 2: Did I punched him? I might have punched him in
Speaker 2: the stomach or maybe that was somebody else him. I'm
Speaker 2: not actually sure. We have to ask, you know, we
Speaker 2: should ask them stuff? Is my mom? So I know, right,
Speaker 2: our moms know we're your stage parents. It was you know,
Speaker 2: stage guardian, stage person. How do we be inclusive now
Speaker 2: they and she had to that was that was her job.
Speaker 2: We need more from Ireland and she's like, I can
Speaker 2: go work, or we can do this together and try it.
Speaker 2: And as it turned out, we had we had a
Speaker 2: week a week where we're back to back. She was
Speaker 2: doing full out with two different kids.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, as a as like a set guardian.
Speaker 2: For my brother, for my latest brother.
Speaker 4: He was in, Oh for your brother.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is deep guy he was because you don't know,
Speaker 2: because he was an extra.
Speaker 1: What episode did he get a credit? Was he credited?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, because you would know that that
Speaker 2: is not as an extra. Probably, yeah he was. It
Speaker 2: was kindergarten classrooms he was in.
Speaker 1: With Oh my god, we am there are well we haven't,
Speaker 1: we haven't gotten there.
Speaker 3: You know, Kathy Santoni's younger brother would be in Michelle's
Speaker 3: class because you know they're all sort of at the
Speaker 3: same school going through things. So that that tracks right
Speaker 3: actually yeah right, But we had no idea we had generations.
Speaker 4: Yes, we have the Nackavoy slash Santoni's.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes you did, right, Yeah, it's uh what a lineage. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean that was the time bring up. I mean
Speaker 2: I think we were in this like protected time where
Speaker 2: if we were older, we it was it was dangerous.
Speaker 2: And if we were younger, like like thinking like Nickelodeon
Speaker 2: was aft kind of after us, Yeah, dangerous and if
Speaker 2: we were maybe certainly we were in a different place,
Speaker 2: like a different production company, a different alright, well we
Speaker 2: would have been da We know.
Speaker 3: We were very lucky on Miller Boyette in our on
Speaker 3: that little bubble.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've had Lincoln.
Speaker 3: On the show, and she talked about her experiencing step
Speaker 3: by steps same thing where it was like the producers
Speaker 3: and it came from the top like loved and nurtured
Speaker 3: the kids on their show.
Speaker 4: And we were we were We always.
Speaker 3: Talked about we were very very lucky because we did
Speaker 3: have kind of a nice little bubble of normalcy. Dare
Speaker 3: I say amongst amongst those shows like we there were
Speaker 3: so many kids on them, and we knew it was
Speaker 3: just it was a it was a good safe environment.
Speaker 4: We had wonderful studio teachers, we.
Speaker 3: Had wonderful set parents, we had amazing producers like it
Speaker 3: just nobody would have gotten away with I think anything,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It was it was a
Speaker 3: it was a family. So yeah, that was very was
Speaker 3: it like that on like bigger like the movies you did,
Speaker 3: like Children of the.
Speaker 2: Corners because he liked these kids. So there was a
Speaker 2: lot of us were also like kind of that cohort
Speaker 2: was in who was in movies, Danny Cantaro who I dated.
Speaker 3: Ah, he came back and I was gonna say, I
Speaker 3: was like back in the day, back in.
Speaker 2: The day, I'm watching the Lisa Show and like she
Speaker 2: wow spills the news and I'm like, uh huh right.
Speaker 4: We're all like we were all like right and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: dat is right right right.
Speaker 3: Such a sweetheart. Here's what I'll tell you. There is
Speaker 3: no rhyme or reason of this. We don't make sense.
Speaker 3: It's my little ADHD neurodivergent brain is all over the map.
Speaker 4: So here we are.
Speaker 2: That's why we would hang out.
Speaker 4: There we go, let's see. This is why, this is
Speaker 4: why it makes sense because was going to have a point.
Speaker 2: Place at the time. Well, this is It's just we're
Speaker 2: going through points q, R and X and like flipping
Speaker 2: into another dimension and then like back and then we'll
Speaker 2: land the plane exactly. Yes, you and I would hang out.
Speaker 2: You remember this, But you and I would hang out,
Speaker 2: just like when we weren't filming, because that was in downtime.
Speaker 2: I remember hanging out with Jody and then so but
Speaker 2: that's our memory. That's why I didn't say no the
Speaker 2: first time was because of you too. So as soon
Speaker 2: as it was like podcasts, I'm like, yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: reason I didn't because you guys. I remember Jody as
Speaker 2: being the did you have a big wheel?
Speaker 4: That was the little one.
Speaker 3: But I was always hanging out with Ashley and Mary
Speaker 3: Kate like I was very close to them. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm sure at some point I was riding around on
Speaker 3: it because I would write as an adult, so I remember.
Speaker 2: I remember like it was a little bit borderline whether
Speaker 2: you should actually be on it, but you were on it.
Speaker 4: There's I get on it today, Like I said, no,
Speaker 4: there's no borderline, there's no there's no rules I can fit.
Speaker 2: That's a good clip. I think maybe that would. So
Speaker 2: I remember you and your cool beans. I said cool beans.
Speaker 2: For longest time, you were just such personality. Your personally
Speaker 2: was huge. So I remember that from like downtime from
Speaker 2: class and because I get my homework done like in
Speaker 2: five seconds and then you'd already be done with school,
Speaker 2: and so we get to hang out. I remember Andrea is.
Speaker 1: Said, right, absolute, it's.
Speaker 4: Andrea, not Andrea. So you're good and well.
Speaker 1: I'm not offended either way, but I say, and.
Speaker 4: Or you can just call.
Speaker 1: We're close enough, you can call me a b oh rude.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yay, thank you very much. I'm staring at
Speaker 2: your little dont.
Speaker 1: It's a purse. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I have some scripts. I have some uh huh, I
Speaker 2: have some video behind the scenes and picture.
Speaker 1: Got to send them to us, will you.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you are pretty well.
Speaker 1: Get in touch with you. And she's yeah, a lot
Speaker 1: younger than us, so she knows how to work with
Speaker 1: the technologies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she actually knows, right right, She's like, We're like, well,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I have a home Incligion somewhere. Hold on,
Speaker 4: let me dig it out.
Speaker 1: We'll send a messenger over.
Speaker 4: We send you a fact. I'll send you a fact.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I expect people like show up with
Speaker 2: with changes at my door in Cypress. Oh, now that's right.
Speaker 3: You lived in Cypress too, and so we were. We
Speaker 3: also lived in Cypress, and so we were. No, it's fine, I.
Speaker 4: Don't live there. Anymore. But yeah, I grew on Cypress. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so it's fine.
Speaker 3: I'm if someone wants to go searching Cypress for us,
Speaker 3: we're not there, yes, but yeah Cypress. I mean it
Speaker 3: was where I went to elementary school. I went to
Speaker 3: and we lived in the same neighborhood. And Andrew was
Speaker 3: also an Orange County I so the three of us
Speaker 3: had slips, you know, we were definitely we were.
Speaker 4: We were leaving at the same time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hitting the same like doughnut chop or call right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh my goodness. Oh, paper chase was the first one
Speaker 2: I remember. So I have to do paper chase with John.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, uh huh.
Speaker 2: And they wanted me to not have a shirt on.
Speaker 1: Okay, what did your mom say about that? What did
Speaker 1: your guardian say?
Speaker 2: She did not think that that was no, it was
Speaker 2: my mom all the time. And she how how old
Speaker 2: were you, mama clause Yeah seven? Oh, so it's a
Speaker 2: second year of paper Chase, not right. And they wanted
Speaker 2: me to change change pajamas. So who was and I
Speaker 2: was the mom? I was? I was the mom in
Speaker 2: a strange, strange form right at like age seventh. It
Speaker 2: was June Lockhart and it was Anne Lockhart who June Lockhart.
Speaker 4: June Lockhart was the actress.
Speaker 2: So was Anne?
Speaker 4: Oh was it? Oh that's right? There was the daughter
Speaker 4: right right, right, right, right right?
Speaker 2: I think I can't think of who's the one who
Speaker 2: played my mom in it? So she was a law
Speaker 2: student and she had to get childcare. I mean it's
Speaker 2: super relevant now, like where are you going to? And
Speaker 2: I had I think I had to come to class
Speaker 2: or it's amazing, right and just you know they're so
Speaker 2: close though, right, so much progress has been made in.
Speaker 4: Right, But so you got so you did that at seven?
Speaker 4: What was that like? Was that like your first big.
Speaker 2: Yes? Sorry, I'm not sure what you want me to change? Sick? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Everything, everything, change everything, sirih do it please?
Speaker 4: Who know?
Speaker 3: That's all we had to do was just ask Siri like, hey, Siri,
Speaker 3: can we have childcare and healthcare?
Speaker 4: And you'd be like, yeah, I'm on it.
Speaker 2: Why I've just been waiting age income equality? You know
Speaker 2: it's coming up. Women's Equality Day is coming up.
Speaker 4: It is, and we still don't have the era A pass.
Speaker 4: But we'll leave that for another time.
Speaker 2: Uh, well we should we should do something on that. Okay,
Speaker 2: I wrote something so I'll send it to your.
Speaker 4: Fantastic so so you did it, go paper Chase. Then
Speaker 4: Children of the Corn.
Speaker 2: They have no idea. I was on Magnum P.
Speaker 3: I was Magnum PI and his mustache, Tom Selleck, Hardcastle, McCormick,
Speaker 3: that one I do remember, Yes, Invitation to Hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the mini serious era.
Speaker 3: Yes, the mini series era, and the era of like
Speaker 3: TV movies that they'd give you thirty days to movie
Speaker 3: the week, movie the week.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thirty days.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculously generous.
Speaker 3: Well no, but then it would be at least now
Speaker 3: you get twelve.
Speaker 2: But you know you we filmed Children of the Corn
Speaker 2: in thirty days.
Speaker 3: I mean I yeah, we filmed in like eleven or twelve. Now,
Speaker 3: so for these some of these, yeah, so I would
Speaker 3: I'd love thirty days.
Speaker 2: Twenty yeah, I dig, but no, so let's get stuff
Speaker 2: done in five days. The sitcom can we follow that model? Right?
Speaker 3: Sitcoms are a nice little machine though you kind of
Speaker 3: jump in. It's got a grind.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't finish selling what I remember? I remember
Speaker 2: Andrew for doing that's we would.
Speaker 4: Not always think of me with you.
Speaker 2: I get to practice my craft, so as a kid
Speaker 2: to be able to bounce stuff back and forth and
Speaker 2: to practice and to get better and to practice timings,
Speaker 2: and you're.
Speaker 1: Ran lines together. I remember and worked on.
Speaker 2: By and absolutely and it was fun. You know, as
Speaker 2: a kid. I didn't do it because I wanted to
Speaker 2: be an actress at all. I did it was a job.
Speaker 2: I'm going to college money all that. But when you
Speaker 2: do something, you want to do it well. And I
Speaker 2: took it pretty seriously. I didn't know there was another
Speaker 2: roommate to take it. You go in, you do your
Speaker 2: best right, sometimes they pick you, and then you really
Speaker 2: want to get better at it. And the feedback, especially
Speaker 2: from the audience and the it's just going getting so excited,
Speaker 2: like you know, ready to walk out on Friday night
Speaker 2: or Friday whenever we did it, Yeah, Friday, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right. Oh that was. And so that's what I'm
Speaker 2: remember about you is really getting to have that time
Speaker 2: because Candice is you know the rady else is busier,
Speaker 2: and you were on, but you were you were on
Speaker 2: so much every week and then at the end, you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what I remember, and you were that was really fun.
Speaker 2: So that's why you too.
Speaker 1: You were on some some pretty heavy episodes too that
Speaker 1: you were. You did thirteen Candles, which was a spin
Speaker 1: the bottle, Spin the Bottle episode, and you did the
Speaker 1: just Say No Way Drinking episode episode and Santoni's there
Speaker 1: for what was mister i Q? You were in season
Speaker 1: three and season four mister i Q, which I don't
Speaker 1: remember at all.
Speaker 2: So there was a that was it was a Connie Chunk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stephanie loved Connie Chunk. Connie Chunk as a joke.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but again with the Connie Chunk, well, she was,
Speaker 4: you know, it was a role model, was very important woman.
Speaker 2: He was like a school yes, but that was I
Speaker 2: didn't understandn't know who she was or why they were
Speaker 2: making those jokes. But we were in a classroom and
Speaker 2: I said, I had a couple of lines. I said
Speaker 2: a dumb thing because you know, I just filled out
Speaker 2: the people who were in the university. Oh yeah, there
Speaker 2: was There was to be a fifth one and I
Speaker 2: it was the exit of my acting career.
Speaker 1: Oh oh, I want to talk about this because you
Speaker 1: and I have a very similar trajectory of leaving Hollywood
Speaker 1: after Full House, because I did too. At eighteen, I
Speaker 1: left Hollywood. I was like bye and I went to
Speaker 1: college and I got my master's degree after that too,
Speaker 1: And I know it's very similar. We're all like big
Speaker 1: on education. So tell me about that decision, because I
Speaker 1: want to compare stories about which one about about when
Speaker 1: you decide? Did you decide to leave Hollywood? Was that
Speaker 1: a conscious choice a deliberate choice? Oh?
Speaker 2: Always?
Speaker 1: I was always going to It was like I'm going
Speaker 1: to college by Hollywood.
Speaker 2: It was for college. It was to get money for college. Okay,
Speaker 2: I did it. So I never thought of thought that
Speaker 2: I was going to stand so people would and people
Speaker 2: would look at me like, she's got to be pulling
Speaker 2: my leg. There's no, she's not. Actually, everybody wants to
Speaker 2: be like famous, don't they like when we're in the bubble,
Speaker 2: and and I just I that's not what I wanted.
Speaker 2: I really wanted. I wanted to be a mom. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be I have a PhD. I wanted to
Speaker 2: be a professor. Those are the things. Yeah, But you
Speaker 2: know what, sometimes my husbands don't like.
Speaker 1: Don't they don't like that you were a former child actor,
Speaker 1: that you were driven.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, so we have that similarity. We have that
Speaker 2: story too.
Speaker 4: I heard I don't know anything you mentioned that, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, jo can't really, Yes, Jody can't relate to that, right,
Speaker 2: because really you just exist in the television set. When
Speaker 2: they turn it off, you disappear.
Speaker 1: So did you when you went to college? Was that?
Speaker 1: Did you get recognized? Did you feel famous? Or did
Speaker 1: you just feel like you fit right in?
Speaker 2: I mean as much as anybody can feel like they
Speaker 2: fit right in in college, which is not really but
Speaker 2: I feel like I fit in more than they're than all.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's a great statement because I felt the
Speaker 1: same way. I was like, this is where I'm supposed
Speaker 1: to be. It just felt like a very natural progression.
Speaker 1: And I people weren't like kids are nicer in college,
Speaker 1: Like they're a little more mature at least than high
Speaker 1: schoolers who just want to make fun of you and
Speaker 1: call your names. Oh in college, you didn't have that.
Speaker 2: Oh god, no, you were so noticeable.
Speaker 4: Well so was so so was the a B.
Speaker 3: I feel like, oh yeah, no, when I like moving
Speaker 3: into the dorms, I would come down the hall and
Speaker 3: someone would start playing.
Speaker 4: The full house. No, or they write.
Speaker 3: Like notes on my like the outside of one to
Speaker 3: ever think of that?
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, that sucks. Yeah yeah no, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's probably creepy stuff too, just like
Speaker 2: I get weird more of just six year old version
Speaker 2: of me, Like that's not okay, right, however old I am.
Speaker 2: Now you think that I'm that little girl in the
Speaker 2: movie and that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, No, you.
Speaker 1: Went to school for psychology and got your and education education. Okay,
Speaker 1: so yes, what drew you to undergrad? What drew you
Speaker 1: to psychology and education? Of what was your life plan?
Speaker 2: My life plan was to be the first female pope
Speaker 2: for the first okay president of it. That's what I
Speaker 2: would plan. Is like a thing that I remember thinking
Speaker 2: that was like the thing to say. But I knew
Speaker 2: I wanted to go to college. I knew I went
Speaker 2: to my PhD. And along the way I and that
Speaker 2: was my fourth grade. That's what I decided. Wow, I
Speaker 2: have the nose. That doesn't even tell you that I can't.
Speaker 1: You need you need to blow your nose. That's to
Speaker 1: assume the position.
Speaker 2: And no, no, I need to go. I need to.
Speaker 1: Do you need a netty pot? We can take a five.
Speaker 2: And because I have that, right, I could do that.
Speaker 2: I could demonstrate for you on.
Speaker 1: This that this is a very special episode of Tannerto's.
Speaker 2: Ya this week on a special episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you were always very very driven. You knew
Speaker 1: what you wanted and you went after it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so afforable that you weren't. You weren't just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm just want to be you know, I want to
Speaker 1: be famous and I want to be you know, it's
Speaker 1: so easy to get stuck in that Hollywood trap.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to be seen. I wanted to be
Speaker 2: able to be seen, and I think people don't realize
Speaker 2: that about kids these days, like to. I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: actually without words as I try to describe how it
Speaker 2: is to go about the world thinking that you, you know,
Speaker 2: always you had to be on these If somebody saw
Speaker 2: you doing such and such, then you know, then it
Speaker 2: was over or then it was the price. That was
Speaker 2: kind of message that I heard. I don't know want
Speaker 2: you know my mom actually said.
Speaker 1: And this was pretty internet too, this was I'm sure
Speaker 1: you cell phones pre social media.
Speaker 2: Goodness, Yah, goodness you've always been because I don't think.
Speaker 1: Would you call yourself an introvert or an extrovert? And
Speaker 1: have you always been that way?
Speaker 4: Were you an extrovert that needs time alone to reach.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's why good distinction. Are you that too, me?
Speaker 1: Yes, joys that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I can go out and I can go do things,
Speaker 3: but then like don't talk and then I need like
Speaker 3: like then I have over peopled myself.
Speaker 2: Does that work for you?
Speaker 4: Depends on what I do during the downtime.
Speaker 3: If I do something sort of meditative, if I'm like
Speaker 3: I don't know, building legos or writing, or even if
Speaker 3: I'm just kind of like zoned out like in my
Speaker 3: hammock for a couple hours reading a book or something,
Speaker 3: it does recharge me a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So do you have kids?
Speaker 1: Both of us do. Yeah together, but we have kids.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we we do. We we have pleasing together.
Speaker 4: It's we co parent.
Speaker 1: Zoe and Felicity looked alike a lot like for a
Speaker 1: long time, but.
Speaker 4: Yes they did. Wait are you the are you the
Speaker 4: father of my children? Yeah? Our kids sixteen and fourteen almost.
Speaker 1: Fortunate minor twenty and I was seventeen. So we all
Speaker 1: have we all have older kids.
Speaker 2: I have a nineteen and then I have it almost
Speaker 2: I have thirteen almost fourteen, and uh, we're in it.
Speaker 1: This is like a support emotional support group form.
Speaker 2: Can we have that? We have like a whole podcast
Speaker 2: on being being a chest actresses were growing up to
Speaker 2: be parents of.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just parents in general.
Speaker 1: I feel like, what do you think so especially this
Speaker 1: is the hardest age to parent, Like, is it the
Speaker 1: the younger the early teen years, the later teen years,
Speaker 1: or the adult child who which I call the baby
Speaker 1: adult in the house.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, so tell me what is how old
Speaker 2: is it?
Speaker 1: My baby adult is twenty years old and he's great.
Speaker 2: He's that's a baby. That's a that's not a baby
Speaker 2: baby adult. So there's some thinking and here's the science
Speaker 2: for you that this period of emerging adulthood you can
Speaker 2: be considered an emerging adult, not yet an adult, up
Speaker 2: through age thirty five. While that's five, Wait.
Speaker 1: So thirty I feel like I'm still an emerging adult
Speaker 1: forty eight.
Speaker 2: So I'd like to go back to the I don't
Speaker 2: think I'm in personally right, that would be great.
Speaker 4: Quite enough of this emerging I would like to go back.
Speaker 2: I would like to I would like to emerge re emergemges.
Speaker 1: So was your nineteen year old emerging as an adult? Is?
Speaker 2: Oh? He's dude, he's been a night. He's also nervous.
Speaker 2: Oh I should not say that, No, I can't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're we're we have we have some ADHD tendencies.
Speaker 3: Solid yeah yeah, yeah yeah. My house is yeah, everyone
Speaker 3: except my poor husband. So he's just like.
Speaker 2: Wow, yeah yeah, but you still have.
Speaker 4: The well the newest one. Yes, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Sorry, how did you manage to figure it out? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got divorced three times.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that, you know, it's say I'd say
Speaker 3: that it finally figured it out in there.
Speaker 4: That's the key word, that finally than.
Speaker 2: Ever do here you heard here first, Kathy Santoni will
Speaker 2: it's more likely that I will become enough.
Speaker 3: Actually, I would like, I'm and you got to you
Speaker 3: got to start somewhere. If you want to become the
Speaker 3: first female pope.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 4: You don't just go taking over the.
Speaker 2: Oh. I would not want that job. I would just
Speaker 2: know to say masks. Oh god, no, right.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe mainly for the hats and the capes
Speaker 3: everything else not so yeah, no, I'm not so s.
Speaker 1: Well, just pull out, pull out the red crop top.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll get we'll get a great.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Right, oh it wasn't even mine. Like you know, how
Speaker 2: you bring wordrom with you, that's not something I had to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you were like, I do not own this.
Speaker 2: Oh the black skirt I had, but I would never
Speaker 2: have worn of me really, crops. We were thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're so smarter now I'm thirteen. Wow.
Speaker 3: But also yeah, but it also like then I see
Speaker 3: how kids dressed today and I'm like, they're all like,
Speaker 3: it's sort of but it was. It was more the
Speaker 3: like miniaturized version of like a like a white Snake video,
Speaker 3: is what, you know what I mean? It was like
Speaker 3: the fans that weld see like a Motley Crue concert,
Speaker 3: except they.
Speaker 2: Were Sha Chandra Chandra. Shanda, the other one in the episode,
Speaker 2: thought she was the coolest. She's like, look at them,
Speaker 2: they're like.
Speaker 1: Like the the mean girl in the mea the mean girl.
Speaker 2: She was like their Brian shrimp.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, what was it?
Speaker 1: See we watched this a month ago and we've already forgotten.
Speaker 3: Uppies, guppies, Amieba's guppies, something like that.
Speaker 2: Guppies.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, yeah, our fans are so devoted
Speaker 1: they they're writing on our Instagram right now what it is.
Speaker 1: Because they're like they know everything, we know nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to see a discord chat like alongside,
Speaker 2: because if we did this, they would be like answering.
Speaker 1: We've had several Fancy, there'll be a I could I
Speaker 1: could expectin it if I wasn't so.
Speaker 2: Distracted by how pasty and round my face looks.
Speaker 1: You look gorgeous. You look gorgeous, say gorgeous. Contour while contour.
Speaker 3: Now it's now the podcast is becoming get Ready. We're
Speaker 3: getting ready with Kathy Santoni today.
Speaker 4: Here we go, get yours, get out your crop tops
Speaker 4: and your hair crympt. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you remember crimped hair?
Speaker 3: Yeah, this episode that we just watched for the next
Speaker 3: recap episode that we're going to do, Canvas has un
Speaker 3: ironically crimped hair the whole episode, like not like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, it's a throwback, but like that was right
Speaker 3: were they was the triangle shaped barrel or the little
Speaker 3: Yeah do you remember they.
Speaker 2: Have different attachments, like the different plates that that popped
Speaker 2: into it. Yep.
Speaker 4: Oh, the eighties just fried all of our Yeah.
Speaker 2: Mine still has oh.
Speaker 1: A little wispy, But do you have great hair? You've
Speaker 1: always had that great curly hair. Tony from your first
Speaker 1: appearance right now, look at that hairy face.
Speaker 4: That great Irish hair is what it is? Great Irish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't. I don't have a thin hair. Prom
Speaker 2: my kids hair is I they are. They're like they
Speaker 2: mastered like ringlets like their hair and I have the
Speaker 2: same hair curly and we did not have those products.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. They don't. Yeah, all of these
Speaker 4: kids now they got to skip out.
Speaker 3: On the on the awkward phase, right, we got to
Speaker 3: live ours in front of everyone, you know, and now
Speaker 3: they just skipped it over entirely.
Speaker 2: And yeah, here's the thing, because I'm a researcher who
Speaker 2: studies this y, they feel just as awkward in their
Speaker 2: awesomeness now as we felt in what other people thought
Speaker 2: was awesome. You know, I wanted to be Shawna Whipple.
Speaker 2: I think that's what Shawna Whipples. She was the right
Speaker 2: the white snake girl.
Speaker 1: So you're you're an assistant professor at U c IRV.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I was an assistant I was a tenured
Speaker 2: professor and as a hot news as of just a
Speaker 2: couple of days ago, since I am no longer I
Speaker 2: left you.
Speaker 1: Did, oh breaking news.
Speaker 2: I didn't here on how right.
Speaker 1: Well, there goes all the questions I was going to
Speaker 1: ask about that. Well, that means another door is waiting
Speaker 1: for you to open. And there are so many doors, yes,
Speaker 1: so many doors, so many, so many.
Speaker 2: Doors for them. The fifth episode that didn't exist is
Speaker 2: when I was I was, I was done. I wanted
Speaker 2: to be a normal kid. I didn't want to. I
Speaker 2: wanted to be able to cut my hair or like
Speaker 2: paint right with markers so that I got a hand
Speaker 2: modeling gig. You were, you know, And I wanted to
Speaker 2: go to birthday parties and I wanted to There was
Speaker 2: a ski trip planned and we're ready to go on
Speaker 2: a ski trip. And I got called to work and
Speaker 2: I went, oh my god, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do it. I don't And that
Speaker 2: happened on other ones too, and I remember her saying,
Speaker 2: so you know in this tone too, so you know
Speaker 2: that if you don't do it, probably your last one.
Speaker 2: And I said, I know, oh, and you should. You're
Speaker 2: okay with that, I am.
Speaker 1: That's great that you had the forethought to know yourself confident.
Speaker 2: Now I was terrified. I was terrified that I wasn't
Speaker 2: going to exist as anything outside. You know, I was
Speaker 2: the kid who did commercials and was on the random
Speaker 2: and you couldn't be sure if people liked you for
Speaker 2: that or or for you, and you know, self esteem
Speaker 2: is such I study Adolyst development. As I research on it,
Speaker 2: I teach classes. I taught a whole uh version of
Speaker 2: the course, like a whole quarter of the course of
Speaker 2: Adelst development around Full House. You I used examples from
Speaker 2: Full House because the quarter before I was out it
Speaker 2: at the end of the core. So I people would
Speaker 2: find out, like at the end of of you know,
Speaker 2: ten weeks or sixteen weeks of taking classes, they'd go, like, professor,
Speaker 2: come up like really quietly after class, like and they said, so,
Speaker 2: I was watching TV last night and I saw I
Speaker 2: saw you. It was that you on Full House. I go,
Speaker 2: You've an exam tomorrow. What are you doing watching?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: This is not what you need to be doing. Crack
Speaker 2: op in a book, but yeah, right right. But they
Speaker 2: were there were kauds. They were really good students, and
Speaker 2: I mean, how sweet is that? And they'd like come
Speaker 2: up quietly and like privately, until finally it was like
Speaker 2: really close in the beginning of the semester, like close
Speaker 2: to the beginning of the semester that I was outed
Speaker 2: and then everybody finds out and it's like, oh, and
Speaker 2: you can't really talk about myself. So then I just
Speaker 2: leaned into it and did examples. So we had examples.
Speaker 2: You teach about, I love these sexuality, you teach about, drinking,
Speaker 2: about family, about peers about so that like, it's the
Speaker 2: best show. I mean, it's a fantastic show.
Speaker 1: Full house hit on all of those topics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very well, yeah, all right, all the biggies and
Speaker 2: the identity, your sense of who you are and trying
Speaker 2: on makeup and being his friends and fighting with your friends,
Speaker 2: and I mean it really that's what it is.
Speaker 1: Was yeah, yeah, wow, that's brilliant. That's brilliant. And then
Speaker 1: I got pre into it, and then you got pregnant.
Speaker 2: That had three found out later that the episode that no, No,
Speaker 2: Scathy's Antoni got pregnant episode, the one right is the
Speaker 2: one where she so it was talking about the show
Speaker 2: was talking yeah about, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's so that was the one you were supposed
Speaker 1: to be in, but you were just like, Nope, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing another one.
Speaker 2: I wasn't supposed to be in it. I was called
Speaker 2: we had plans to go skiing. Oh oh, I know,
Speaker 2: I'll say it anyway. I think my mom said she
Speaker 2: made up an excuse like a broken leg or something
Speaker 2: like that. Broken. I don't remember how this went down.
Speaker 2: We'd have to ask them. I don't want to get
Speaker 2: her in trouble. But she was. She knows, you know,
Speaker 2: she was around. She We did it. We were a team.
Speaker 2: We were in Africa from the for five months. I
Speaker 2: turned twelve in Kenya. In Kenya, they decorated my tent
Speaker 2: with lights.
Speaker 1: So what an eclectic life you have lived, a child
Speaker 1: actor to professor to whatever is on the horizon for
Speaker 1: you next. This is just been a wonderful conversation about
Speaker 1: your life and your memories.
Speaker 3: We are so glad that we got to have the infamous,
Speaker 3: well deserved infamy. Uh Kathy Santoni on the show with us,
Speaker 3: And it was so fun to have you on Fuller
Speaker 3: and to now get to talk to you on Howard
Speaker 3: dan Rito's. We've just we've loved having you as a guest.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming on, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so great to catch up.
Speaker 2: But we have Dog episode that we need to have
Speaker 2: some questions for you know you if you funs take
Speaker 2: a look at them, I just think, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want another wait millionaires, brace you guys again.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, no, we will have these reunions
Speaker 1: more often.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So great to see.
Speaker 3: And well then you know, the next time Kathy Santoni
Speaker 3: comes up, we'll have to we have.
Speaker 1: There's a lot more episodes, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you so much and it's been a
Speaker 3: pleasure you Well. That concludes our interview with Anne Marie McAvoy,
Speaker 3: known to many of you as Kathy Santoni. Of course,
Speaker 3: I mean she has so many fun memories, like you said,
Speaker 3: an eclectic career from you know, a twelfth birthday in
Speaker 3: Kenya to working on Full House and then Fuller and
Speaker 3: Children of the Corn all.
Speaker 4: Sorts of stuff.
Speaker 3: But we had such a blast talking to her, so
Speaker 3: much fun to bring back some of these these ogs
Speaker 3: from the original Full House.
Speaker 4: But thank you so much for listening, you guys.
Speaker 3: And remember, if you want to find us on Instagram,
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Speaker 4: As soon as they are released, which you know you want.
Speaker 2: You know you're justly to hear this.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah absolutely, But anyway, thanks for joining us for
Speaker 3: another fun episode. You guys, we love you, and remember
Speaker 3: the world is small. No, yeah, yeah, the world is small.
Speaker 4: The world is small. But the world is small.
Speaker 3: But the cornfield is full, yes, yes, but the cornfield.
Speaker 1: Is well done. Yeah, I'm glad you didn't say the
Speaker 1: crop top is full.
Speaker 4: No no, well no, that's actually but yeah, yeah, whether
Speaker 4: the world the world? Oh how did I miss this?
Speaker 1: The world is small.
Speaker 4: The world is small, and so is Kathy Santoni's Crompton.
Speaker 1: I good, just kissed, see better the second