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Speaker 1: Col Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: The summer of twenty seventeen was a hot one. The

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Speaker 2: weather was hot. I'm sure I can barely remember now.

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Speaker 2: In May, the editor of the Nazi website The Daily

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Speaker 2: Stormer declared that it would be this summer of hate.

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Speaker 2: A month later, another article on the site ended with

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Speaker 2: a triumphant prediction, expect a hot summer. And I'm not

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Speaker 2: talking about the thermometer. The political temperature was rising rapidly.

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Speaker 2: It was the first summer of Donald Trump's first term

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Speaker 2: as president, and all over the country, right wing extremists

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Speaker 2: of all stripes were feeling bold. The summer of hate

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Speaker 2: culminated in the murder of Heather higher Here in Charlottesville

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Speaker 2: on August twelfth, twenty seventeen. Perhaps because that day ended

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Speaker 2: in a hate crime murder, the Unite the Right rally

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Speaker 2: is often the only one of the dozens of violent

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Speaker 2: hatefield rallies that summer that most people still remember, But

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Speaker 2: they were happening all over the country in the months

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Speaker 2: leading up to Unite the Right. In Portland and Seattle,

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Speaker 2: Patriot Prayer rallied for Trump, for free speech, and against communism.

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Speaker 2: In Berkeley, repeated rallies ostensibly for Trump or the concept

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Speaker 2: of free speech became a training ground for a Nazi

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Speaker 2: street fighting gang. In cities all over the country, protests

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Speaker 2: for or against Confederate monuments were just a thin excuse

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Speaker 2: for fascists spoiling for a fight. Almost any given weekend

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Speaker 2: that summer, somewhere in the country there was a contingent

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Speaker 2: of armed militiamen ambling around a public park acting as

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Speaker 2: self appointed protest security. Some of these rallies drew crowds

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Speaker 2: of thousands and made the national news. Some were just

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Speaker 2: a few dozen bigots standing on a street corner, drawing

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Speaker 2: only the momentary notice of passing motorists.

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Speaker 1: And on one morning early.

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Speaker 2: That summer, the same protest took place simultaneously in over

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Speaker 2: two dozen cities across the country. I'm Molly Conger, and

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Speaker 2: this is weird Little Guys. This episode isn't actually about

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Speaker 2: a guy, not just one guy anyway. If you're a

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Speaker 2: regular listener, you've probably already figured out that it is

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Speaker 2: rarely actually even about one guy at all. But typically

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Speaker 2: an episode revolves loosely around one weird little guy, using

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Speaker 2: him as an entry point to explore the world he

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Speaker 2: existed in. But last week's episode left me with some thoughts.

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Speaker 2: I was having trouble putting to bed questions about the

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Speaker 2: ordinary men who cross paths with our weird little guyes,

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Speaker 2: men who may be on their own path toward extremism

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Speaker 2: or just their own self destruction. And it also got

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Speaker 2: me thinking about the nature of a crowd, the way

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Speaker 2: we can lose ourselves within them, the way they can

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Speaker 2: give us permission to act in ways we otherwise would not.

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Speaker 2: The crowd grants the individual plausible deniability, but the individuals

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Speaker 2: within it give the crowd more power than it would

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Speaker 2: have had without them. And I've been thinking too about

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Speaker 2: the current state of affairs, the ways in which our

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Speaker 2: political discourse has changed over the last decade. How these

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Speaker 2: once fringe ideas have been mainstreamed. Things that were once

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Speaker 2: unthinkable are happening every day now. How did we get

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Speaker 2: to the place we are now where people who seem

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Speaker 2: Stormfront and four chan. And as I was ruminating on

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Speaker 2: all of this, I thought of a picture, one in particular,

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Speaker 2: saved years ago in one of my hundreds of folders

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Speaker 2: of half finished ideas about a guy. It's a picture

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Speaker 2: that was taken on the morning of June tenth, twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The photo shows a handful of members

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Speaker 2: of the neo Nazi group Vanguard America on their way

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Speaker 2: to the steps of the Pennsylvania Capitol Building for an

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Speaker 2: event billed as the March against Sharia, a protest against

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Speaker 2: the imaginary threat of a Muslim theocracy in America. These

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Speaker 2: members of Vanguard America all have their faces covered, either

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Speaker 2: with black bandanas or the half faced skull mask that

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Speaker 2: was favored by a certain flavor of neo Nazi. But

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Speaker 2: the men at the head of their tiny mark is

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Speaker 2: bear faced, proudly leading this little band of Nazis down

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Speaker 2: the street. Vanguard America would later evolve into Patriot Front,

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Speaker 2: a white supremacist organization led by Thomas Rousseau, and today,

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Speaker 2: when Patriot Front takes to the streets, its members too,

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Speaker 2: all cover their faces, except the leader as their public face.

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Speaker 2: Rousseau marches unmasked. So, looking at this photo of these

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Speaker 2: Vanguard America members, perhaps this bear faced man is their leader.

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Speaker 1: But I know he isn't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's so proud of being a Nazi, that he

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Speaker 2: made the choice to show his face, But the truth

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Speaker 2: is the exact opposite. By today's standards, thatt Man, Benjamin

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Speaker 2: Hornberger is just a pretty typical Maga Republican. He wasn't

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Speaker 2: and isn't, as far as I can tell, a Nazi

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Speaker 2: at all. Later that same evening, one of the men

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Speaker 2: who had marched behind him posted in a discord server

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Speaker 2: where the Unite the Right rally was being planned, writing.

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Speaker 3: We got a Normy to lead our march away from

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Speaker 3: the Sharia event. I don't think he fully knows what

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Speaker 3: he got himself into. I told him after, you know,

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Speaker 3: you just let a march of a bunch of Nazis.

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Speaker 2: And the poster notes that the man they'd talked into

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Speaker 2: didn't even seem to hate Jewish people. Another user chimed in,

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Speaker 2: saying when the Jews call him a Nazi anyway, it'll

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Speaker 2: red pell him a little, to which the original poster agreed,

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Speaker 2: writing that's exactly what we were saying. You're on our

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Speaker 2: side now, goy. Whether you like it or not. They

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Speaker 2: are in the Nazi discord. They were all in agreement.

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Speaker 2: These more mainstream conservative rallies were a great place to

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Speaker 2: network and recruit, of course, but also a valuable opportunity

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Speaker 2: to shape the discourse and push people they call normies

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Speaker 2: further to the right. They believe that the average white

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Speaker 2: Republican man would be radicalized by the experience of being

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Speaker 2: called a bigot, and instead of engaging in any self

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Speaker 2: reflection on why they were shouldered to shoulder with Nazis

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Speaker 2: at a rally for bigots, they would instead double down

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Speaker 2: and come to love being a bigot. This is, unfortunately

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Speaker 2: not an uncommon path to radicalization. But let's back up

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Speaker 2: for a second. What on earth was the marsh against Sharia?

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Speaker 2: The rallies were organized by a non profit organization called

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Speaker 2: Act for America. Its founder, Brigitte Gabriel, started a group

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Speaker 2: called American Congress for Truth in the months after nine eleven,

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Speaker 2: and in two thousand and seven, Act for America was

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Speaker 2: spun off as the organization's lobbying and activist arm. The

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Speaker 2: policy statement on their website today boasts that they are

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Speaker 2: the nation's premiere grassroots movement dedicated to preserving America's culture, sovereignty,

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Speaker 2: and security. Groups like the Council on American Islamic Relations,

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Speaker 2: the American Arab Anti Discrimination Committee, and the Southern Poverty

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Speaker 2: Law Center consider ACT for America one of the nation's

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Speaker 2: largest anti Muslim hate groups. In February of twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: Brigitte Gabriel had dinner at Mara a Lago with presidential

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Speaker 2: candidate Donald Trump. ACT for America's Facebook page posted a

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Speaker 2: photo of the meeting in a room with entirely too

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Speaker 2: much gold painted woodwork. There's Trump wearing a pale pink tie,

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Speaker 2: and he has one arm around Gabriel and he's giving

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Speaker 2: Gabriel was there to give him a national security briefing.

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Speaker 2: Not long after their meeting, Trump announced that he'd chose

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Speaker 2: Michael Flynn, an ACT for America board member, to be

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Speaker 2: Flynn gave a speech in which he called Islam a

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Speaker 2: malignant cancer. Over the years, Brigitte Gabriel has said that

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Speaker 2: Muslims are infiltrating the government to destroy America, that people

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Speaker 2: should call the FBI to report the construction of mosques,

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Speaker 2: that Islam is a cancer infecting the world, and that

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Speaker 2: Islam is a radical ideology, not a religion at all,

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Speaker 2: and thus should not be afforded the protection of the

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Speaker 2: First Amendment. In the wave of Islamophobia that followed nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven, she somehow managed to situate herself as some

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Speaker 2: she published her first book, Because They Hate. The book

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Speaker 2: Georgetown University history professor Ivon Hadad as not historically accurate

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Speaker 2: as an account of the Lebanese Civil War. In his

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Speaker 2: book The Islamophobia Industry, Nathan Lean describes Gabriel's origin story

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Speaker 2: as quote tendentious, if not outright deceitful. But somehow in

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Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, she was invited to give a

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Speaker 2: inherently violent and fanatical religion, and then he asked a question.

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Speaker 4: Should we resist Muslims who want to seek political office

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Speaker 4: in this nation?

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Speaker 1: What a great question? Uh.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, If a Muslim who has who is a practicing

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Speaker 5: the word of Allah, who abides by Islam, who goes

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Speaker 5: to musque and praise every Friday, who praise five times

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Speaker 5: a day, this practicing Muslim who believes in the teachings

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Speaker 5: United States of America.

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Speaker 2: Her answer went on for nearly five minutes, and she's gish,

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Speaker 2: galloping through unrelated points and misinterpretations of the Quran. She

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Speaker 2: the next audience member with a question. A man stands.

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Speaker 2: He's a United States Army officer with nineteen years of service,

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Speaker 2: and he's also a practicing Muslim. He's calm, his face

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Speaker 2: seen as the untrustworthy, volatile, violent extremist she already believes

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Speaker 2: member of the Husbara Fellowship. Gabriel interrupts him, asking what

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Speaker 2: she had in fact been listed on the organization's website

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Speaker 2: as a member of their Speakers Bureau for several years.

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Speaker 2: All that to say, Brigitte Gabriel is a bigot and

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Speaker 2: a liar, but she is one who has successfully talked

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Speaker 2: her way into a lot of rooms with a lot

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Speaker 2: living peddling hate, and by twenty seventeen, Act for America

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Speaker 2: was a decade old, she had the ear of the

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Speaker 2: House in March of twenty seventeen. ACT for America's March

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Speaker 2: against Sharia rallies don't show up on their website anymore. Unsurprisingly,

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Speaker 2: for events in nearly thirty cities.

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Speaker 1: In her thesis for.

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Speaker 2: A master's at Oxford, Isabel Canan studied the way ACT.

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Speaker 1: For America organizes.

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Speaker 2: Regrettably, that thesis appears to be unpublished, so I couldn't

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Speaker 2: read it, But in a twenty eighteen interview about her research,

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Speaker 2: Canaan says those March against Sharia events were part of

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Speaker 2: an attempt to maintain the facade of being a true

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Speaker 2: grassrooms its organization, rather than what they truly are, which

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Speaker 2: is a lobbying group. The rallies were an effort to

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Speaker 2: quote create the perception that the majority shares its warped opinion,

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Speaker 2: Canaan wrote. Both Canaan and the Southern Poverty Law Center

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, Act for America was claiming to have over

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Speaker 2: one thousand chapters nationwide, and the website displayed a map

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Speaker 1: All right with me.

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Speaker 2: Any vetting of any kind was done here. Scott Pressler

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Speaker 2: had the approval of, ACT for America, and on the podcast,

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00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: Roper described participating in a conference call with other event organizers,

437
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: a call that was hosted by Act for America, and

438
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: Roper doesn't name names, but he does hint that he

439
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 2: wasn't the only extremist on the call. Within hours of

440
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: that episode appearing online, the Southern Poverty Law Center was

441
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 2: reporting that Act for America had given Billy Roper their blessing.

442
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Email exchanges later published by Roper showed that Pressler must

443
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 2: have seen this news pretty quickly, because by late afternoon

444
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: that very day, he wrote the Roper's an email with

445
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: the subject line Act for America marches urgent and the

446
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: body reads only Billy, please give me a call. Act

447
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 2: for America quietly removed the listing for the Batesville rally

448
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: from their website that night. Now it kind of sounds

449
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: like this is a point.

450
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: In their favor, right.

451
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: Sure, they dropped the ball when it came to vetting,

452
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 2: but when they found out they were working with.

453
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: A Nazi, they dropped him.

454
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: That's got to account for something, right, But far from

455
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: being exact honerative, I think it only underscores what's going

456
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: on here. They don't mind working with extremists, they just

457
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: don't want to be publicly humiliated, especially not by the

458
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Speaker 2: Southern Poverty Law Center. Earlier in twenty seventeen, Act for

459
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: America joined forces with a few dozen other SPLC designated

460
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: hate groups to launch a site called SPLC Exposed, dedicated

461
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: to attacking the credibility of the people who were drawing

462
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Speaker 2: attention to their hateful organizations. So they couldn't give the

463
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 2: SPLC an easy win here by refusing to back down

464
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 2: from working with a man whose literal occupation was white

465
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: nationalist organizer. There was no plausible deniability there, and the

466
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 2: timeline of that day makes it very clear that someone

467
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 2: had Act for America was just sitting at a computer

468
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: refreshing the SPLC's website all day to see if they

469
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: were talking about them, because they saw that article about

470
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: Billy Roper instantly. But the SBLC was only able to

471
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: report that there was a Nazi organizing one of these

472
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: Act for America events because Billy Roper ran his mouth.

473
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Speaker 1: It's impossible to say which of.

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Speaker 2: The slew of white supremacist speakers and organizers that ACT

475
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 2: might have been willing to cut ties with if it.

476
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: Had been reported ahead of time.

477
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 2: But I can tell you that they never disavowed any

478
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: of them afterwards. Some of the white supremacists who spoke

479
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: at those events were lesser known figures, ones who may

480
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: have been able to slip through a vetting process had

481
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Speaker 2: there been one. But some of these people, some of

482
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Speaker 2: these guys, they could have googled.

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Speaker 7: Fucking fantastic man. Yeah, so there was these these sharia

484
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 7: law protests. I'm surprised, like, I don't know what happened

485
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 7: that I didn't catch onto these things earlier. Like I

486
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 7: read about this on Saturday, and I was like, Oh,

487
00:31:58,600 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 7: I should have gone to one of these things.

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Speaker 3: What's what's the story.

489
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, ACT for America. It's Bridget Garriel's thing. They

490
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: put on a nationwide anti Sharia protest called March against Sharia.

491
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Speaker 4: So it happened in twenty three different cities all over

492
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Speaker 4: the country. I was one of the organizers for the

493
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Speaker 4: Orlando event because Orlando is my hometown.

494
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Speaker 3: All right, fantastic.

495
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 7: So you got together on Saturday.

496
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 4: And everybody did it across the country.

497
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Speaker 7: Yeah, you got together with what I think you said

498
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 7: you were with Identity Europa.

499
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of groups came out. Identity Europa was

500
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Speaker 4: one of them. They unfurled their banner for my speech specifically.

501
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Now there's a chance you might recognize those voices. They

502
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: are two of the more uniquely annoying accents of the

503
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen era white nationalist figures. And that is crying

504
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,479
Speaker 2: Nazi Chris Cantwell with the long Island accent, and the

505
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: one faking a Southern accent is white nationalist attorney Augustus

506
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: Sole and Victis. And that's from an episode of Christopher

507
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 2: Cantwell's pod cast. Two days after those rallies, Invictus organized

508
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: and headlined the Orlando March against Sharia, and he posed

509
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: for photos with an Identity Europa banner held by members

510
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: of that now defunct white nationalist organization. Augustus and Victus

511
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: had a very busy summer in twenty seventeen. He spoke

512
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 2: at altwright rallies all over the country for months. In May,

513
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 2: he told a crowd in Boston that a new civil.

514
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: War was upon them.

515
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 2: Two weeks later, at a pro Confederate Statue rally he

516
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: organized in Orlando, he blamed Islam for mass shootings and

517
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: Ranston about white genocide. He gave speeches in Chapel Hill, Washington,

518
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: d C. Austin, and Huntington Beach. He criss crossed the

519
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: country that summer, but wherever he went the message was

520
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 2: the same. Now is the time for violence.

521
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: No one's going to fix this for you.

522
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 8: That's why it doesn't matter if we are armed, or.

523
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 4: Even if our security details are armed.

524
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 5: What matters is that you.

525
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 9: Are armed, and you are prepared for war, and you

526
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 9: are prepared to carry on the heritage of your forefathers.

527
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 2: And by June he was on board as an organizer

528
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 2: for the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

529
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Speaker 1: In August, after his.

530
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Speaker 2: Speech at the March against Sharia, he led a dozen

531
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Speaker 2: members of Identity Europa in chance of one people, one

532
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,560
Speaker 2: nation and immigration, and that's a chance they would use

533
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: again in August as they marched through the grounds of

534
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Speaker 2: the University of Virginia with their torches. And around the

535
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: same time that morning that Augustus and Victus was straining

536
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: to be heard over the passing cars in Orlando. The

537
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,399
Speaker 2: March against Sharia in New York was in full swing too.

538
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 2: The hosts of Fox and Friends scoffed at the way

539
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 2: the mainstream media had characterized the event as anti Muslim,

540
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 2: something they thought was very unfair, so they'd send a

541
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: correspondent out into the streets to get the real story.

542
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Speaker 9: It's not about being against Muslims. It's just being against

543
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 9: the ideology of I guess, murdering homosexuals and treating women

544
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 9: as a second class maybe under a second class set,

545
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 9: as they're just the humanizing.

546
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Speaker 10: Over in Britain.

547
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 8: They were just frogs boiling in water and now they're dead.

548
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 3: Critics will say that you're anti Muslim? Are you anti Muslim?

549
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 7: Absolutely not, absolutely not.

550
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Speaker 2: This one really messed me up. I had to take

551
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: a break after I found this video. I see a

552
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: lot of really upsetting stuff in my research, you know,

553
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 2: sometimes you have to take a.

554
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: Break to cry, take a walk, close the computer. But

555
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 1: this one was just surreal. It's hard to wrap your

556
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: head around who's in this video. Fox and Friends didn't ask.

557
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: Any of those rally attendees their names, at least not

558
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 2: that they showed on air, so as presented, this clip

559
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 2: just shows random man on the street, candid interviews with

560
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: average people, and you probably don't recognize their voices, but

561
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: I think you'd know their faces, because that's former Fox

562
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: and Friend's co host and current Secretary of Defense Pete

563
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 2: Hegseth asking Proud Boys founder Gavin McGinness and neo Nazi

564
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: troll Jovi Val what they think about Islam. And I

565
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: didn't watch the confirmation hearing, so I don't know if

566
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,719
Speaker 2: they ever got to the bottom of this allegation from

567
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: a former employee that Pete Hegseth once got blackout drunk

568
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 2: and started yelling, keel all Muslims at some bar in Ohio.

569
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: But either way, I'm not sure we're getting a straight

570
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 2: answer about Islam for any of these guys. The New

571
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,839
Speaker 2: York City March against Sharia was organized by a man

572
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: named Pax Hart, a staff writer at the Proud Boys magazine.

573
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 2: Speeches were given by Heart, as well as Proud Boy's

574
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: founder Kevin McGinnis and Proud Boys Magazine creative director Paul Basil.

575
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: Frank Morgenthaler, the vice president of the New York chapter

576
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: of the Oathkeepers, had only barely finished his speech when

577
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 2: he collapsed, apparently having a massive heart attack. The oath

578
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Keeper's New York chapter would later tell reporters that Morgenthaler

579
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 2: was in the hospital in stable condition. I tried to

580
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: cut a clip of Laura Loomer's speech, but it's just

581
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 2: not worth it. She has no charisma and she never has.

582
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: It's just kind of sad and just a position you

583
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: in the timeline of embarrassing Laura lumer stunts. This was

584
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 2: after she tried to do voter fraud as a prank,

585
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: showing up at a polling location in a burka and

586
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: pretending to be Huma Aberdeen, but before she handcuffed herself

587
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: to the front door at Twitter, but only to one

588
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: side of a double door, so people were just coming

589
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 2: and going through the other side of the doors. Oddly,

590
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 2: I think it was Gavin McGinnis who gave the most

591
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: honest speech that day, because a lot of speakers at

592
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 2: these rallies in various cities pretended that their concern was

593
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: for women's rights, for gay rights, for freedom and liberty,

594
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: despite the fact.

595
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: That these people absolutely.

596
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: Do not believe in women's rights or gay rights. And

597
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: when Gavin McGinnis took the mic after being introduced by

598
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 2: Pax Hart, an openly gay brown boy, he started with

599
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: what I assume we're supposed to be jokes.

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Speaker 3: I like that guy.

601
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 8: I like Paxton, but uh, let's cut the shit.

602
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 1: He's a homo.

603
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 8: And I was talking to this guy.

604
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you went to.

605
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 8: Columbia, but this guy aka Medina Jahd, he was saying

606
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 8: that in Iran there's no homos, and that sounds like

607
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 8: my kind of place, you know.

608
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: So I'm not gonna be.

609
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 8: Your average speaker up here today because I've been kind

610
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 8: of looking Indushuriyah and I kind of liked a lot

611
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 8: of it.

612
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 2: Of all the speeches I was able to dig up

613
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: from that day from rallies all over the country, these

614
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 2: jokes are the closest anyone came to telling the truth.

615
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: They don't care about women, they hate gay people, they

616
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: just don't like Muslims, and they don't think that any

617
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 2: immigrant can never really be American. Over in Denver at

618
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 2: the March against Sharia, neo Nazi Will Planer was briefly

619
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 2: detained by police after brandishing a knife. He had not

620
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 2: yet at that time been convicted for beating a woman

621
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: unconscious with a flagpole at a Nazi rally in California

622
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: a year earlier. In Richardson, Texas, just outside of Dallas.

623
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,839
Speaker 2: Both Keeper's leader Stuart Rhodes was in attendance. Jason Lee

624
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 2: van Dyke, who now works as an attorney for Patriot Front,

625
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 2: was there hanging out with the Proud Boys, a group

626
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: he claims he was never a member of, but did

627
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: work for and hang out with all the time. And

628
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: unlike rallies in state capitol plazas or near random intersections,

629
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: that rally in Richardson, Texas was held right outside of

630
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Speaker 2: a mosque.

631
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Speaker 1: So as children were.

632
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: Arriving for their weekend classes in Arabic Muslim heritage and

633
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: Quran recitation, there were armed men standing across the street

634
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: shouting at them to go back to their own country.

635
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: In Indianapolis, the Indiana Director for Identity Europa gave a speech.

636
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: I can't find any video of his speech, but a

637
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: reporter for the Indie Star quoted him saying, we're here

638
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: to support the march against Sharia, but we're here to

639
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: take it a bit further. Apparently, this man gave his

640
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: name to the reporter as John Richardson, and I suppose

641
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: the reporter from the Indie Star had no way of

642
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 2: knowing that was a lie, because there's a picture in

643
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 2: that article, and I recognized that man who said his

644
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: name was John Richardson. That's Allison Richard Pierce, the fourth

645
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: Jack to his friends, a Jax to his fellow Nazis.

646
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 2: He was Richard Spencer's head of security for the weekend

647
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: of the Unite the Right rally, and he served as

648
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: the point of contact for the rallies organizers with the

649
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 2: Charles Police Department.

650
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: Like Augustus and Victus, he too.

651
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 2: Had spent most of that summer in the car, driving

652
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 2: halfway across the country multiple times just to stand behind

653
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: Richard Spencer at Nazi rallies on the East Coast. At

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Speaker 2: the March against Sharia in Roseville, California, Identity Europa founder

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Speaker 2: Nathan Dimigo gave a speech. I really wish I could

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Speaker 2: have dug up video of this speech. In particular, I

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Speaker 2: would have liked to know how Nathan Dimigo presented himself

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Speaker 2: to that crowd. In a live stream the day after

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Speaker 2: the event, he admitted to his own followers that he

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Speaker 2: knows there's no actual threat of Sharia law in America,

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Speaker 2: but he felt it had been worthwhile to dispatch members

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Speaker 2: of Identity Europa to those events across the country.

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Speaker 10: We had IE as a nationwide network Identity Europa. We

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Speaker 10: had members go to this thing across the country just

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Speaker 10: kind of support a little bit, but also to get

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Speaker 10: a chance to talk to people who were there and

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Speaker 10: normalize ourselves in their eyes.

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Speaker 2: Dimigo's Nazis didn't wear swastika armbands. They wore khaki.

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Speaker 1: Pants and white polos.

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Speaker 2: They were clean cut, with fresh haircuts and professionally printed

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Speaker 2: banners and signs. And he recognized the value in showing

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Speaker 2: up to things like this to shift the conversation in

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Speaker 2: their direction, which is why I'm.

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Speaker 1: Curious how he chose to address that crowd.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they didn't know that he'd been discharged from

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Speaker 2: the Marine Corps in two thousand and seven after he

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Speaker 2: drunkenly pulled a gun on an Arab American taxi driver

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Speaker 2: because he quote looked Iraqi. Dimigo has claimed that he

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Speaker 2: had his political awakening after reading David Duke's autobiography in prison.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if he knows that David paid a pedophile.

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Speaker 2: The ghostwrite that probably not, but that's neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: Photos of the March against Sharia and San Bernardino, California

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Speaker 2: show physical confrontations between the rallies attendees, and anti fascist

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Speaker 2: counter protesters. And again I don't even need to look

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Speaker 2: at the captions. I recognize the men at the center

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Speaker 2: of the violence. One of them captured by the photographer

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Speaker 2: in the moment where his fist is drawn back readying

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Speaker 2: himself to punch a woman is a man I've spent

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Speaker 2: hours picking out of crowd shots at Nazi rallies. That's

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Speaker 2: Benjamin Daley from the Nazi fight Club the Rise Above movement.

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Speaker 1: In Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Georgia's three percent Security Force militia claimed that they had

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Speaker 2: been asked by Act for America to provide security for

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Speaker 2: the event. A year earlier, that march had held armed

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Speaker 2: demonstrations at a construction site for a mosque outside of Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Georgia State Senator and gubernatorial candidate Michael Williams gave a

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Speaker 2: speech at the march against Sharia and then posed for

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Speaker 2: photos with the militia. One photo of Williams with that

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Speaker 2: militia shows yet another man that I can't help but recognize.

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Speaker 2: Militia member Alex Ramos attended the Unite the Right rally

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Speaker 2: later that summer, and after that rally, he proudly posted

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Speaker 2: a video on Facebook of his participation in a brutal

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Speaker 2: beating of a young black man, and.

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Speaker 1: He wrote, we stomped ass.

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Speaker 2: I didn't really want CNN showing this, but getting some

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Speaker 2: was fucking fun. I've spent a lot of time in

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Speaker 2: a courtroom listening to that judge, in particular, the one

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Speaker 2: who sentenced Alex Ramos to six years in prison for

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Speaker 2: that assault. And I don't even have to check my

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Speaker 2: notes to pull this quote from that hearing. It was

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Speaker 2: six and a half years ago, but it was such

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00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 2: a jarring thing to hear him say that. I'll never

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Speaker 2: forget it. As he pronounced Ramos's sentence for that beating,

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Speaker 2: Judge Moore told him, you could spend the rest of

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Speaker 2: your life thinking about this. It's just evil. It's beyond me.

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Speaker 2: So that's who benefited from the March against Sharia Identity Europa.

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Speaker 2: The Proud Boys, the Oathkeepers, Vanguard America, the Traditionalist Worker Party,

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Speaker 2: the Georgia three Percent Security Force. Those events provided ideological

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Speaker 2: cover for these groups to seek violent confrontations with counterprotesters

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Speaker 2: and to spread their ideas to conservatives who hated Muslims

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Speaker 2: enough to show up.

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Speaker 1: But weren't quite red pilled.

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Speaker 2: Act for America did not disavow these organizers, speakers, attendees,

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Speaker 2: or security teams. In a column from Breitbart shortly after

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Speaker 2: the Rallies Act, founder Burgique Gabriel wrote, America.

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Speaker 1: Is a divided nation.

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Speaker 2: Countless political issues fragment our nation, while race, gender, and

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Speaker 2: religious identification enhanced division even further. But there is one

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Speaker 2: issue that has brought Americans of all backgrounds together in

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Speaker 2: opposition to it, the barbarism of sharia law. Issues such

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Speaker 2: as gay marriage, affirmative action, medicinal marijuana, and others may

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Speaker 2: bring out our differences, but sharia law is an enemy

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Speaker 2: that all rational citizens unify against.

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Speaker 1: And in the.

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Speaker 2: Column, she lists off some of these speakers at the rallies.

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Speaker 2: Some of them were gay, some of them were Jewish,

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Speaker 2: some of them used to be Muslim. So many kinds

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Speaker 2: of people, and they all agree with her about Islam.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that beautiful?

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Speaker 2: She fails to mention the involvement of any neo Nazi groups,

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Speaker 2: and she says group like the Council on American Islamic

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Speaker 2: Relations and Antifa thugs staged repulsive counter protests, and she

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Speaker 2: repeats the claim that someone had been splashed with urine

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Speaker 2: at the rally in New York. She does mention that

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Speaker 2: the rally attendee in question who was maybe splashed with

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Speaker 2: piss was Lauren Southern, but she doesn't mention that Lauren

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Speaker 2: Southern had very recently been detained by the Italian Coastguard.

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Speaker 2: Just a month before she arrived in New York for

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Speaker 2: the March against Sharia. Lauren Southern was with the French

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Speaker 2: neo fascist organization Generation Identity as they attempted to block

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Speaker 2: a search and rescue mission for shipwrecked refugees in the

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Speaker 2: Mediterranean Sea. I don't know if Lauren Southern really did

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Speaker 2: get piss thrown on her in New York City. That's

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Speaker 2: one of those things that I think is probably an

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00:48:53,960 --> 00:49:00,240
Speaker 2: urban legend. Fascists are constantly talking about this ongoing threat

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Speaker 2: of Antifa throwing piss on them, but I've never actually

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00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 2: heard anybody talking about preparing for a protest by storing

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Speaker 2: their urine in gatorade bottles. I'm just not convinced that happens.

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Speaker 2: But if this was the one time it really did happen,

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Speaker 2: I can't say the woman who tried to drown refugees

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Speaker 2: didn't deserve to get splashed. Gabriel ends her column about

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Speaker 2: the march against Sharia by addressing the lies that the

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Speaker 2: events had been anti Muslim or even white supremacist, common

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Speaker 2: sense Americans see these allegations for how fantastically stupid they are.

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Speaker 1: She wrote.

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Speaker 2: The people at her rallies weren't white supremacists.

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Speaker 1: They were just quote fed up with the.

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Speaker 2: PC propagandists trying to bully and intimidate everyone into silence

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Speaker 2: who doesn't go along with their suicidal open borders philosophy.

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Speaker 2: Later that summer, Act for America announced they'd be putting

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Speaker 2: on another nationwide series of rallies in September, but after

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Speaker 2: the events of the Unite the Right rally, they called

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Speaker 2: them off.

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Speaker 1: In a press release, Gabriel wrote, Act for.

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Speaker 2: America is deeply saddened that in today's divisive climate, citizens

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Speaker 2: cannot peacefully express their opinions without risk of physical harm

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Speaker 2: from terror groups domestic and international. In recent weeks, extremist

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Speaker 2: and radical organizations in the United States and abroad have

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Speaker 2: overrun peaceful events in order to advance their own agendas,

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Speaker 2: and in many cases, violence has been the result. And

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Speaker 2: this is just a staggering lack of self awareness. The

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Speaker 2: picture accompanying the press release is of anti fascist counter protesters,

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Speaker 2: implying that she means that the people who have overrun

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Speaker 2: peaceful events causing violence have.

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Speaker 1: Been the anti fascists.

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Speaker 2: But this announcement came in the aftermath of Unite the Right,

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Speaker 2: where Nazis caused violence, the Nazis that had attended her

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Speaker 2: rallies two months earlier.

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Speaker 1: And I don't just.

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Speaker 2: Mean the same kinds of people, I mean literally the

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Speaker 2: same exact people. As I was going through photos of

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Speaker 2: these march against Sharia rallies all over the country, I

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Speaker 2: was shocked to see so many familiar faces. Scott Presler,

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Speaker 2: the conservative influencer who failed so spectacularly at organizing those

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00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: anti Muslim rallies in twenty seventeen, went on to be

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Speaker 2: an early promoter of the QAnon conspiracy theory and was

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Speaker 2: a major figure in the Stop the Steel movement leading

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Speaker 2: up to the January sixth riot. In the hours after

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Speaker 2: the riot of the Capitol, Presler posted a video of

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Speaker 2: himself outside the Capitol, calling it quote the largest civil

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00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 2: rights protest in American history, and to really bring things

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00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: full circle. In twenty twenty three, Scott Presler started a

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Speaker 2: political action committee called Early Vote Action in twenty twenty four,

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00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: Laura Trump praised his efforts, calling him quote an amazing

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Speaker 2: vote register. In the final months of the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four presidential campaign, backed by a million dollar donation from

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Speaker 2: Elon Musk, Scott Presler and his Early Vote Action Pack

808
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Speaker 2: hired a team of field organizers to register Republican voters

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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. There are those who credit Pressler for securing

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Speaker 2: a Trump win in that swing state, and that brings

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Speaker 2: us all the way back around to the photo We

812
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: started with that regular maga Republican, a guy who just

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00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: hated Muslims, the normal Republican amount who accidentally led a

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Speaker 2: Nazi march to the Pennsylvania State Capitol in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: One of the field organizers on the page role at

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00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 2: Pressler's political Action committee in twenty twenty four was the

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Speaker 2: very same man, Benjamin Hornburger. And as for the rest

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Speaker 2: of this cast of characters, Oh, I don't know. The

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Speaker 2: Nazi who stabbed three men on the train is serving

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Speaker 2: two life sentences for his conduct at the Nazi Torch

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Speaker 2: march in twenty seventeen. Augustus and Victus was recently convicted

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Speaker 2: of felony which at the time of this recording, he

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Speaker 2: does not appear to have reported to the Florida State

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Speaker 2: Bar Association. Nathan Dimigo declared bankruptcy to try to get

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Speaker 2: out of a lawsuit filed by the victims harmed at

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Speaker 2: the Unite the Right rally, and it remains to be

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Speaker 2: seen whether a bankruptcy judge will discharge the millions of

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Speaker 2: dollars he may be on the hook for. And a

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Speaker 2: lot of far right extremists are celebrating the successful mainstreaming

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Speaker 2: of their belief in the Republican Party platform. I don't

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Speaker 2: have a tidy ending for this story, but I think

832
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 2: there's something to mull over here. Act for America used

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Speaker 2: crowds of neo Nazis to bulk up the numbers at

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Speaker 2: those rallies. Rallies they staged to fake mass support for

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Speaker 2: hateful lies. The way they talked about our Muslim neighbors

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Speaker 2: wasn't grounded in reality, and their ideas were not actually popular.

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Speaker 2: A small loud minority backed by money from a handful

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Speaker 2: of right wing donors doesn't change reality. Muslims were never

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Speaker 2: destroying America, and neither are your immigrant neighbors. Neither are

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Speaker 2: transgender people diversity, doesn't cause plane crashes. Asylum seekers aren't

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Speaker 2: to blame for violent crime. Don't fall for it, don't

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