1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: When people come into your office, what do you really 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: have to like rework their thoughts on I'm assuming. 3 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: Maybe as pretend it's you. 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I walk in. 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: I'm twenty nine, and this is something I tell the 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 1: team all the time. I would love a baby at 7 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: thirty two. This is the number I'm throwing around, right, 8 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: because if I say I'm going to have a baby 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: at thirty two, maybe I'll have one at thirty four, right. 10 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 11 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Like if I just sort of have it on the timeline. 12 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 4: You're penciling it in so that you think about it 13 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 4: and prioritizing. Right, that's actually really smart. 14 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: You know, I've said I'll do it without a husband. 15 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: I've said I'll do it without a partner. I've thought 16 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: about maybe going to a bar and maybe close to 17 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: like in Boston, find a bar near Harvard or something, and. 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 3: Try to find a smart time. 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: So maybe that's not completely realistic, But if you're a 20 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: woman who's serious about planning for your future, there's a 21 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: lot you can actually do now to prepare Today. We're 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: talking about one of those ways egg freezing. I'm hopewitdtered 23 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: and welcome to voiceover a space where we're learning and 24 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: on learning all the myths we're taught about love and relationships. 25 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: Is it just me or does it feel like a 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: lot of medical misinformation being spread online is often targeted 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: at young women. I have too many friends who have 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 1: fallen for lies about birth control, are periods, what to eat, 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: what not to eat, and what expensive new procedures to get. 30 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: So much of it is bullshit and it's really hard 31 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: to sort through. Enter Doctor Lucky Secon someone who's doing 32 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: the good work online. She's a board certified obgin and 33 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: fertility doctor who educates her followers and debunks myths about 34 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: women's health. Lately, what I've wanted answers on is how 35 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: to go about planning for my future in terms of 36 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: having a family with or without a partner. Doctor Lucky 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: is an expert on that, so I decided to do 38 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 1: a deep dive with her on egg freezing, and if 39 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm being honest, this is a topic I really don't 40 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: know very much about. So please bear with me and 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: all of my dumb questions. But at the same time, 42 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: you know what they say, no such thing as a 43 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: stupid question, Doctor Lucky. 44 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: Welcome to boy Sober. 45 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 46 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: I want to say, I. 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: Feel like obgi N's like it's such a beautiful and 48 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: intimate setting and job, and like every time I've ever 49 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: been to like a woman's health clinic, I feel so 50 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: thankful and like so taking care of Yeah, it's just 51 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 1: such an important and special. 52 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 4: It's very sensitive, Yes, it's very sensitive area. 53 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: I want to know, like what piece of misinformation do 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: you find coming up the most when it comes to 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: like women's health. 57 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 4: Is this gonna be like a ten part episode? I mean, 58 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 4: so women's health in all all of the fear and 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 4: vulnerability surrounding it is often harnessed. It's weaponized because women 60 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 4: are great at consuming products, and so people are like 61 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 4: I can sell them supplements, or I can sell them 62 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 4: a cleanse or a detox or a program, And it's 63 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 4: always surrounding that. I always make a joke. I'm like, 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 4: look for the link in bio, Like, if you see 65 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 4: link in bio at the end of like some salacious 66 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 4: video that an influencer's posting about women's health, there you go. 67 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 4: That's the clue that they just want to sell you something. 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 4: So you know that's the overall theme, but it's about 69 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 4: everything from all of the ways that we're damaging our 70 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 4: egg quality or things that don't make sense and our 71 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 4: contrary to what people have been taught about their biological clock. 72 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 4: Like there was something someone posted the other day that said, actually, 73 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: a new study came out and women don't have a 74 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 4: biological clock, but men do. And it's like that's a 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: feel good headline that makes someone say, hey, this is 76 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 4: contrary to what I've been taught. You know, I'm not 77 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 4: trying to get them to do anything. I present the facts, 78 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: I explain the science, the biology, we do an assessment 79 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: that's individual to their situation, and then I give them 80 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 4: my recommendation. But I think it is always a red 81 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 4: flag if someone's like, you have to do this story else, right, 82 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: So I think they feel really at ease once they 83 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 4: realize that this is a conversation you're coming to me 84 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 4: to learn. There's no obligation that you're walking out of 85 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 4: here signed up to do egg freezing or whatever. 86 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,559 Speaker 1: That makes me want to introduce my producer and today 87 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: co host, Christina, because you all met before this moment. 88 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 3: Can you talk us through it? 89 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 4: What was our meet cute? 90 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 1: Exactly me? 91 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: Cute was I was the patient, you were the doctor. 92 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 3: Classic classic. 93 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 5: I was getting an egg retrieval and she was my doctor. 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 4: And the people might be confused though, so you're not 95 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: my patient, correct, But I was covering procedures that day, 96 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 4: and we cross cover each other because retrievals have to 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 4: happen when your body's ready. Just like if you were 98 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 4: going to Ogian to have your baby and your doctor's 99 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 4: not on call that weekend, I still going to deliver 100 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: your baby, but their partner's going to do it right totally. 101 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 4: I was the partner doing yes. 102 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: Well, Christina, I want to know, like, when you first 103 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 1: went to a fertility doctor, what were you interested in? 104 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 3: What questions were you asking? 105 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 5: I was maybe like thirty six thirty seven when I 106 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 5: finally got it done. Thirty four to thirty five is 107 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 5: when my friends were starting to get it, like my 108 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 5: best friends, and finally, at one point I realized all 109 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 5: of them had gotten it except for me, and it 110 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 5: was just like a denial thing. And finally I was 111 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 5: like I got to look into this and it literally 112 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 5: was like what is egg freezing? Yeah, which is why 113 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,679 Speaker 5: we're here today right to get these kind of very 114 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 5: like entry level kind of questions answered. Because I didn't 115 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 5: know about it, and I wish I knew about it 116 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 5: ten years earlier. 117 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 4: Did you feel intimidated? Yes. 118 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 5: In the beginning when I didn't know about it, I 119 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 5: had heard so many different stories from friends. Some had 120 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 5: good experiences, some had stressful. So once I went through it, 121 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 5: I had my own and I'll talk about that. But 122 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 5: I went into a doctor's office and got a consult 123 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 5: and then I felt at ease when they started explaining 124 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 5: to me in layman's. 125 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: Storms, really right, what are the layman's turns? 126 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 4: Like? 127 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: How how do you bring people to the conversation, Like 128 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: when someone comes into your office with. 129 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 4: I have a series of steps. I have a step 130 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 4: wise approach because I think it is very overwhelming, and 131 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 4: so first of all, I start off asking them a 132 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 4: bunch of questions, and you know, want to know their 133 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 4: medical history, because there might be things that are in 134 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 4: their medical history that they don't think are relevant but 135 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 4: are really important, like such a lot of times I'm 136 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: the first one picking up that they might have a 137 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 4: condition called polycystic ovary syndrome PCOS, okay PCOS, or that 138 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: there's hints or signs of endometriosis. And these are conditions 139 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 4: that at baseline can increase your risk of infertility down 140 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 4: the line. So there's that, But then there's also like 141 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 4: family history, right, like I'm asking when did your mom 142 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 4: go into MENOPAUSEA are they're red flags that you could 143 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 4: have an inherent risk of losing your fertility at an 144 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 4: earlier age. These are all the things. We're like detectives 145 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 4: piecing together all these clues and then you know, usually 146 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 4: explaining what the biological clock is, because that's the reason 147 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 4: why people talk about egg freezing. 148 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 5: Typically women are born with how many eggs. 149 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: Usually about two million. Not only do we have a 150 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 4: situation where we're born with all the eggs we're ever 151 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 4: going to have, we don't make new eggs. We don't 152 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 4: repair our eggs. Usually you're only releasing one egg every 153 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: month if you have a period. Not everyone gets a period. 154 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 2: So then they release one. 155 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, they're ovulating. That's the sign that you're ovulating, 156 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 4: but a bunch of other ones are trickling to the surface. 157 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: I always say think of it as like there is 158 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 4: a pantry and you have this stockpile that you're born with. Yeah, 159 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 4: and you're never going to get to go back to 160 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 4: the grocery store. You got what you got, Yes, like 161 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 4: you're a stockpile. Every month, a certain number can escape 162 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 4: in a process I can't control, neither can your body. 163 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 4: And those are the eggs that come to the kitchen cabinets. 164 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: And then ovulation is like opening one cabinet or the 165 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 4: other and taking out one egg to use it. Some 166 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 4: are perishable and go away. 167 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: Right, which maybe is confusing me, like only releasing one. 168 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 4: But the rest of the ones that floated to the surface, 169 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 4: they get thrown away and then a new set come. 170 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 3: Up to bat And this happens monthly. 171 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: It happens like in waves. Yeah, exactly, like very sick yeap. 172 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 5: Is there a general number of how many perle recruit? 173 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 4: Well, when you go and see an obgy in or 174 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: a fertility doctrine, they do a scan. They'll say, we're 175 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 4: going to do your follicle count. They're only able to 176 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: see and count what's in the kitchen cabinets, and that 177 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: is transient. And unless you do something like egg freezing 178 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 4: or the first part of IVF where you take shots 179 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 4: to try to get all of them to be activated 180 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 4: and grow, they're gonna get thrown away. And I can't 181 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 4: make you recruit more even if I wanted to. If 182 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 4: someone could figure that out, that would solve a lot 183 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 4: of problems. Because the quality of the egg you're releasing 184 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 4: each month is also decreasing. Especially at thirty five and older, 185 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 4: it's harder to ovulate a healthy egg. So people are 186 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 4: trying to do egg freezing because I can get to 187 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 4: more eggs at that younger age to freeze them. But 188 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: more importantly, that can version rate of those frozen eggs 189 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 4: at a younger age is going to be higher when 190 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,439 Speaker 4: it comes to how many can turn into healthy embryos. 191 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 4: So it gives you a major headstart if and should 192 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 4: you ever need fertility treatment, I can say, instead of 193 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 4: starting now at this older age where I have less 194 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 4: eggs and they're not maybe as healthy, let's dip into 195 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: the supply you froze when you were younger to give 196 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: yourself a head start. 197 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: I have a question that's a little bit off topic, 198 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: but a little bit on topic. Sure, I have an IUDH, 199 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: and so I haven't had a period since twenty nineteen, right, 200 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: and when I talked to other women about that, I 201 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: think it like really scares them, Like I do. Also 202 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: think there's like a little bit of misinformation around like 203 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: iud's and birth control when it comes to like gen. 204 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: Z oh one hundred percent. 205 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 3: My god. 206 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: I had a friend take out her own IUD the 207 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: other day at home, like. 208 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 4: She freaked out, yeah, And I was like, wait, yeah, 209 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 4: I wouldn't recommend that. No, Okay, yeah no, Like yeah, wait. 210 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: Can you talk about why that's like not a good thing, 211 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be like judgmental. 212 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I was like, I don't really know if 213 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 4: you should be. 214 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,239 Speaker 3: Taking out your own IUD, Like yeah, it's insane. 215 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 4: Well, birth control works in different ways, and that's important 216 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 4: to explain. Hormonal birth control, pills, pills, patches, the ring, 217 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: all of those actually prevent your pituitary gland, your brain 218 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 4: from sending a signal to the ovary to randomly select 219 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 4: that one that's going to get to ovulate. 220 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: This is so crazy. I love how much you know 221 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: about my body. 222 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: This is crazy. So your brain is sending messages to. 223 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 4: You normally to randomly select that's that lottery. Like your 224 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 4: brain is Simon Kel what it's choosing who gets who 225 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 4: gets to ovulate? Okay, my brain really is Simon And 226 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 4: so that's the one that you get to ovulate, right, 227 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: And so if you're on the pill, what you're doing 228 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 4: is you're basically fooling your brain into thinking, oh, you're 229 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 4: giving yourself a little bit of estrogen. So it's like, oh, 230 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 4: I don't need to do the work. There's already stuff 231 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 4: happening with the ovary, so it just shuts down the signal. 232 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 4: So you're just not sending signals to the ovary. But 233 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 4: you're still recruiting, and those eggs are still kind of 234 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,960 Speaker 4: dissipating and going away getting thrown out of the kitchen 235 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 4: cat but you're just not opening one or the other 236 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: and taking an egg out. IUD is different. IUD does 237 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 4: not actually prevent ovulation. The way the IUD works is 238 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 4: it's more like a bouncer that's in your uterus, Like, no, 239 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 4: I'm not letting the sperm in r Okay. I don't 240 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: know if you know what a bouncer is, because like, 241 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: apparently it's not going out anymore, but I am familiar 242 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 4: with the bouncer. Yeah, So that's the main way it works. 243 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 4: But the reason why you're not getting a period is 244 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 4: it usually prevents your lining from getting built up, but 245 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,239 Speaker 4: you're still kind of in the background. Ovulating. 246 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: Okay, So an IUD in birth control is really not 247 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: impacting fertility at all. 248 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 4: No, if anyone is listening and is interested in egg freezing, 249 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: please do not pull your own IUD out or rush 250 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 4: to go get it removed, because we can freeze your 251 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 4: eggs regardless of whether the IUD is there you're sitting 252 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 4: at in your uterus. It's not interfering with anything. 253 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 3: Oh wow. 254 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 4: And I wouldn't recommend pulling it yourself because sometimes it 255 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 4: can get stuck. 256 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: And yeah no, I even like was dating this guy 257 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: for a little while and he was like almost judgmental 258 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: about the fact that I wasn't getting a monthly period. Yeah, 259 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: so I don't know why this like scares. 260 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 4: Clearly doesn't know anything. 261 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 2: I literally yeah, right. 262 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:28,200 Speaker 1: Wrong, literally, Okay, if I came into the office, would 263 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: you be like, let's freeze your eggs now because I'm 264 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 1: twenty nine or what is your conversation around age? 265 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 4: So there's two things that are changing, Right, how many 266 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 4: eggs I can get from one cycle of effort of 267 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: you taking shots right to ten days and then us 268 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: actually doing the egg retrieval procedure to remove the eggs right, 269 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 4: So the younger you are the more you have access 270 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:48,839 Speaker 4: to Let's talk about the quality, because we've kind of 271 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 4: focused on just numbers right in like the stockpile. But 272 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 4: what truly matters when it comes to your natural fertility, 273 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: it's what is the likelihood of ovulating a healthy egg? 274 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 4: And that's never per for anybody. So there's no perfect age, right, 275 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 4: Obviously the younger the better, but it's the best it 276 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 4: can possibly be where you're at right now. 277 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: I think I have some biases, Yeah, egg freezing that 278 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm really trying because. 279 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 4: It seems very unnatural, right, so I think it's important 280 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 4: my bias is I'm like, yeah, I don't know. 281 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: I think there's some sort of like old school thinking 282 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 1: of like something natural as something not better. 283 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't know. 284 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: What that thought. 285 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 4: Well, here's another speaking of misconceptions to dispel thing that 286 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 4: I'm always telling patients about. Now I've explained the biology. 287 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 4: Now you're going to understan why it's so important to have 288 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 4: that foundation, right, because often people are like, well, I 289 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: want to do this because right now my eggs are 290 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 4: the healthiest they're ever going to be in your twenties, right, 291 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 4: But I don't want you to take away from my stockpile. 292 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 4: I don't want you to deplete my eggs earlier. But 293 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 4: I always explained to them that whole analogy that I 294 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 4: only know how to get to what's already out of 295 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 4: the pantry, right, what's already been recruited, and that would 296 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 4: have gotten thrown out regardless. So if you don't use them, 297 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: you lose them. So I think when people understand that, 298 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 4: they're like, oh, well, this isn't then obviously hurting my 299 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 4: fertility in any way. It's just basically hijacking the system 300 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 4: and saying, let's make use of the fact that I've 301 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 4: access to these right now, and let's take them out. 302 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 5: Can we get really technical, just to really explain the 303 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 5: process what I've gone through. 304 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'd love to hear. 305 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 5: And if you can correct me when I'm wrong, I 306 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 5: know I will be with something I'm sure. 307 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: But let's say you're you're ready to freeze your eggs. 308 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thirty two now, Yeah, yeah, I'm thirty sure. 309 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,479 Speaker 3: I've taken my idea out. This is hypothetical. 310 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: You don't have to take it out. Is just making 311 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: the sperm not reach the egg, but the eggs are. 312 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: There, okay, right, And I'm in the office. 313 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 5: Yes, and you're ready to start the process. You come 314 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 5: in on day two, day three of your period. 315 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 4: And if you don't get a period, we can figure 316 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 4: that out with what I call we're in cycle blood 317 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 4: work to just figure out hormonally what's happening with your ovaries. 318 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 5: So then you start and you go in, you get 319 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 5: blood tests, you get an ultrasound. They check and see 320 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 5: how many follicles are present in each ovary, and from 321 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: the blood tests they can decide okay, everything looks good. 322 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 5: You're ready to start your meds. Before the process, you 323 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 5: buy the meds. 324 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 2: You have a whole. 325 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 5: Pharmacy basically at your place, and so you start depends 326 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 5: on the doctor, the protocol at night, morning, both whatever. 327 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 2: You start injections. 328 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: The injections are the same signal your brain sends to 329 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: the ovary, but at a higher level because instead of 330 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 4: just having enough to select the one egg, we want 331 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 4: to select all of them. You can get all of 332 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: them to grow in. 333 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 5: Which and the injections for the most part, do not hurt. 334 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 5: Like put a little ice pinch your skin. It does 335 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 5: not hurt the injections itself. The point of that is 336 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 5: to plump up the eggs, so to speak. 337 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 4: We're measuring the bubbles of fluid that each contain one egg, 338 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 4: because as it gets bigger, the egg inside is becoming 339 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 4: mature and capable of being fertilized. Based firm. 340 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 5: But we're working with what follicles are in your ovaries 341 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: that month at that time. So you take your injections, 342 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 5: and for me, I've gone into the office nearly every 343 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 5: other morning. 344 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 4: It's a real operation, right, it's okay, we're trying to 345 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: get you in and adding before your work starts. Yeah, 346 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: and we need, say the results to make timely decisions. 347 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 5: Yes, you get your blood drawn every other day ultrasound 348 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 5: so they can see the growth. They'll actually measure the 349 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 5: follicles and so you can see the progression. 350 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 351 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 5: Sometimes I always wondered why am I going so often? 352 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 5: Like we get it, they're growing. But it's just in 353 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 5: case the body is taking really well and you need 354 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 5: to slow down or not to knock the dose the 355 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 5: dose or add something else. 356 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: Okay. 357 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: So it's like five or six visits over the course 358 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 4: of eight to ten days of shots, and then there's 359 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 4: like an interlude of like two days between your last 360 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 4: injection because in one of those days, I'm going to say, Okay, 361 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: looks like we've gotten as many of them to grow. 362 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 4: They're not always always going to grow altogether, but you 363 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 4: want like a good crop of them to be growing 364 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 4: and add a certain size and then a bunch falling 365 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: closely behind, and then we say stop the meds and 366 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 4: in two days you're going to come in for the 367 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 4: retrieval procedure. And that's where we met. 368 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: So about like two weeks, let's say, Christina, I am 369 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: kind of wondering. I'm wondering like how you were feeling, 370 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: not only like physically, but like your emotions during that time. 371 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 3: Were you scared, were you nervous? Were you excited? 372 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 5: Wasn't excited? When I did it, I was single. I 373 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 5: think I was bitter, to be frank, because I was 374 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 5: a single woman having to pay so much money for 375 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 5: this what year was this pandemic I did in twenty twenty. Yeah, 376 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 5: I was bitter, not because I was single, but just 377 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: like I have to spend this money, yeah, and that 378 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 5: when I meet the man that I'm gonna be with, 379 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 5: he doesn't have to. And so it just made me 380 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 5: so bitter the whole time. But in terms of the process, 381 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 5: it was fine. It was very easy for me and still. 382 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 4: To the still floated by the tail as physically physically. 383 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean every time that your. 384 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 4: Favorite thing to do, but it's very tall. I've done 385 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 4: a bunch of realms. 386 00:17:59,000 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. 387 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 4: Self, I did embryo freezing when I was thirty four, 388 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 4: and I remember being like, oh, this isn't as bad 389 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 4: as I thought, but it wasn't fun. 390 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 5: Like you floated, right, And I think like when you 391 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 5: do want I'm saying, you take the injections every day, 392 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 5: like you have to take it around the same time. 393 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think for me that was really easy. 394 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: Yeah. 395 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: With the pandemic, I work from home. 396 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 5: There are some people who do go to work and 397 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 5: maybe get stuck in traffic and that's a little stressful, like, oh, 398 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 5: I got to get home in time to do this 399 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 5: injection at a certain time. And then when you get 400 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 5: the retrieval, they'll take everything that you've grown. 401 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: We're cleaning out the kitchen cabinet. Yeah, we're doing So you. 402 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 5: Go in and it's fifteen minutes under anesthesia. Yeah, best 403 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 5: sleep of your life. Yeah, and then you're out. 404 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, you didn't feel anything, you don't remember anything. 405 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 5: It's the most simple procedure, and it's. 406 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 4: Standard of care to give anesthesia because you want someone 407 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: to feel nothing. There's not moving around. We're doing it vaginally, 408 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: so it's not a big surgery where you're getting like 409 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 4: any abdominal incisions. It's all done very convenient that the 410 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 4: ovaries actually sit on either side of the vaginal wall, 411 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 4: and so it's actually very convenient to just go in 412 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 4: with an ultrasound and we look on the screen and 413 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 4: we kind of use this needle to pierce through the 414 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 4: vaginal wall into each of those bubbles of food and 415 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 4: we just watched them drain. It's actually one of my 416 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 4: favorite things to do. It's a really cool. 417 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 3: Things are really fun. 418 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: I am. What I'm wondering is like, it's crazy to 419 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: me that you were doing it on your own. Like 420 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: it makes sense because like I'm a single woman who, 421 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm already having this idea of like 422 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: not having a husband when I have a kid. But 423 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, do you have a lot of women who 424 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: are doing it on their own mostly or do you 425 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: have mostly women who have partners? 426 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 3: Like what does that look like? 427 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 4: I think it's a mix. And I loved what you 428 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 4: said about how you were. I don't love that you 429 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 4: felt this way, but I love that you shared your feeling. 430 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 4: You know, a little bit bitter in that situation. 431 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 3: Makes complete sense to me. 432 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 4: But I will say I've seen a shift in my career. 433 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 4: You know, I think that five to ten years ago, 434 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 4: women who are coming in to talk about egg freezing, 435 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 4: even like during my training. 436 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: People were coming in and. 437 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 4: Like slumped shoulders, feeling like dejected. It was this narrative 438 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 4: of I didn't think I would have to resort to this, 439 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 4: or I didn't think I would need to rely on this. 440 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 4: I was hoping to just like figure this out and 441 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 4: do it like the old fashioned way. Now I'm seeing 442 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 4: something very different, where like women a lot of women 443 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 4: are coming to me single that's fine, but they don't 444 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 4: have that same attitude towards it. I think because it's 445 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 4: become much more normalized and it doesn't feel like this 446 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 4: like last resort situation. It's more like I'm taking a 447 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 4: proactive step. A lot more women aren't paying out of 448 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 4: pocket because a lot of their jobs are now covering 449 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 4: egg freezing, so they're coming into it a little bit 450 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 4: more even like just not feeling like, oh my god, 451 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 4: this is such a huge sacrifice. It's like two weeks 452 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 4: of my life whatever. Some of them are coming in 453 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 4: with their boyfriends and I'm like trying to see what 454 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 4: the vibe is. Are we talking about freezing or egg freezing? 455 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: And they're like, oh no, no, no, he's just here 456 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 4: to support me, Like I'm freezing my eggs. 457 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 3: Embryo freezing or egg freezing, two different things. 458 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah. 459 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 5: An egg is an egg and then there's the sperm. Yeah, 460 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 5: and you put them together fermusmbria. 461 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 2: That's the end. 462 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 4: No fertilized egg. 463 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 2: When okay, when this ferm into the egg? 464 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 4: When two become one? 465 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: When to become one. 466 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: You create a fertilized egg. 467 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, So you you can basically freeze an egg, which 468 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 4: is a single cell, of course, and you can just 469 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 4: freeze it and not know until you come back. It's 470 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 4: all a lot of potential, like will it thaw, will 471 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 4: it fertilize, will it grow into an embryo? It has 472 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 4: to get past all those checkpoints. Or we can take 473 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 4: an egg, fertilize it with sperm upfront, and then let 474 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 4: it grow in the lab and it grows and divides 475 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 4: into something that now has one hundred to two hundred cells, 476 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 4: and you can even see the part that will one 477 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 4: day become the baby if this is a number of 478 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 4: that plants and the one the cells that would one 479 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 4: day become the placenta. 480 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 3: Wow. 481 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 4: And also what's really interesting is the placenta is an 482 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 4: organ that a lot of people don't think about until 483 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 4: they're pregnant, but it forms. It's pretty much a miracle. 484 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 4: It forms for the purpose of shunting oxygen and nutrients 485 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 4: to a fetus. And there's a lot of research that's 486 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 4: showing a lot of the genes that form the placenta, 487 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 4: which is so crucial to the health of a pregnancy 488 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,200 Speaker 4: and the future health of the child, a lot of 489 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,439 Speaker 4: them come from the male side, and so that this 490 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: is why we're seeing some relationships now between chronic, uncontrolled 491 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 4: medical conditions in men and certain conditions in their children, 492 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 4: and even higher risks of pre acclamcy like a blood 493 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 4: pressure disorder, and pregnancy is super common in women, even 494 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 4: nause in bombing like mourning sickness. 495 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,639 Speaker 3: It comes from it's. 496 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 5: Right, literally, how much would you say the whole process 497 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,160 Speaker 5: costs for egg freezing, and it's a different state by state. 498 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, there's definitely gonna be some differences from one place 499 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 4: to the next, but in general, I would say it's 500 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 4: anywhere from like ten to fifteen thousand, and that might 501 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,159 Speaker 4: not exclude the cost of medication. 502 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 5: Might not include Yeah, fifteen k is a loss, especially 503 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 5: if you're in your twenties. 504 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 4: Especially for something you're not a guarantee. 505 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 5: Correct, What if you can't afford it? Are there payment plans? 506 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 5: Like what can a woman do? 507 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:10,159 Speaker 3: Yeah? 508 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: I mean the thing is is that we've seen a 509 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 4: massive increase in the number of people that have coverage. 510 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: We just actually published a paper where I work where 511 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: we looked at ten years of egg freezing experience. Ten 512 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 4: years ago, zero percent of egg freezing cycles done at 513 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: our clinic were covered by insurance. Now it's almost fifty 514 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 4: percent or more. But a lot of it's coming from 515 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 4: the private sector, you know, And that's not what it 516 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 4: should be. It needs to be coming through legislation and 517 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,439 Speaker 4: insurance covering it and prioritizing it. It's really tough if 518 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 4: you don't have the funds to do it. I mean, 519 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 4: it's not something that. 520 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 3: Everyone can do, right, And that's just realistic. 521 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's unfair. 522 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 5: I think the reason why it took me a while 523 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 5: to finally get to run financial barrier. Financial was that's 524 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: a big chunk of change to put down. 525 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 4: It's scariest should I should I not mentality when someone's like, well, 526 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: I'm kind of in a relationship with a guy, like like, 527 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 4: if it works out, let's do the math, like maybe 528 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 4: in a year we'd be ready. And like, if I'm 529 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 4: thirty one and you're saying things don't start to change, 530 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 4: like they're doing a lot of that rationalization in math, 531 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 4: and I always say, that's fine. You should do whatever 532 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 4: makes you feel comfortable. But this might be something that's 533 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 4: beneficial if you're like me and have no trouble with 534 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 4: baby number one, but end up running into problems with 535 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 4: baby number two just because of the timeline extending into 536 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: a zone where it just becomes more challenging. 537 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 5: That's what finally got me, I think when because I 538 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: kept thinking, let me just wait here. I'm sure I'm 539 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 5: going to be somebody next year, you know, I kept like, 540 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 5: let's wait, and then I finally, somebody finally told me 541 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 5: this is a good insurance plan. If you have no 542 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 5: problem conceiving baby number one, great, But then if you 543 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 5: want to be thirty seven by the time you have 544 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 5: your second kid. 545 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 4: It can give you a great head start. 546 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 5: You have a bunch of healthy eggs waiting for you 547 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 5: to use. 548 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 4: And Devil's advocate women come to me at thirty seven 549 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 4: and they didn't do that, and then we start for 550 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 4: scratch and they can't be successful. But the odds are 551 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 4: more likely that they may need multiple rounds to collect 552 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 4: enough eggs as a whole and have enough turn into 553 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,639 Speaker 4: healthy embryos. So it just gives you a head start 554 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 4: in a way that might make the whole process more efficient. 555 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: This is something like what's a man's responsibility like in 556 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: all of this, Like, is that a conversation you have? 557 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 4: Oh my god, it's a huge topic. Yeah, and I 558 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: think this is a great thing to talk about, even 559 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 4: though I think we're trying to learn more about egg freezing. 560 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 4: But there is this idea that the onus is all 561 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 4: on the female partner. But there's so much information now 562 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 4: that we're getting that men also have a biological clock. 563 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 4: This came up a lot with autism being in the headlines, 564 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 4: but advance paternal age right, which no one can really 565 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 4: agree on a definition, but it's thought to be a 566 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 4: little bit different than it is for women. You know, 567 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: at thirty five, we start to see not all the 568 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 4: eggs you know, turn bad, that's what people think, but 569 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: it's just an acceleration and the changes in egg counting 570 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 4: quality for men, and we start to see changes in 571 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 4: sperm quality, even the certain incidents of you know, neurodevelopmental 572 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 4: issues and health problems in future children, especially you know, 573 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 4: after forty five or in your fifty sixty seventies, you 574 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,400 Speaker 4: can father children as a man who makes sperm, right, 575 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: but you can accumulate mutations that then are more likely 576 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 4: to get passed on to children. And so it's not 577 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 4: benign to be a seventy year old fathering children. That 578 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 4: is a narrative that you know is very much in 579 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: the past, because now there's data to prove that that's 580 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 4: not true. 581 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: What would you say to someone who's unsure if they 582 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: want kids there may be thirty thirty four and they 583 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: don't have a partner, Like, what do you usually say 584 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 1: to someone like that? 585 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 4: I think that you're never going to know how you're 586 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: going to feel in the future. I never I think 587 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 4: it's a delicate balance because you never want to be like, oh, 588 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 4: you just wait and see, like you're going to change 589 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 4: your mind, you know. I think being childless by choice 590 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 4: is a valid option for people, and I think it 591 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 4: crates people's nerves when they're given unsolicited advice about that. 592 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 4: Some super sensitive to that. But I think it is 593 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 4: important for me to share with people that I've followed 594 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: a lot of patients longitudinally who have come to me 595 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 4: for like a fertility checkup or counseling. Maybe they didn't 596 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 4: do anything, maybe they did. And I've seen people change 597 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 4: their minds, and we're allowed to change our minds. The 598 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,639 Speaker 4: problem is is that our biological clock, our damn biological clock, 599 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 4: is not that lenient and flexible, and so what I 600 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 4: find devastating is when someone truly changes their mind and 601 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,479 Speaker 4: then it's not a decision for them to make anymore. 602 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 4: It's like their biology has decided that it's difficult. And 603 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 4: there's only so much that IVF and all of the 604 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 4: high tech medications and regimens and things that we can 605 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 4: prescribe can do to overcome the biological clock. At a 606 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,360 Speaker 4: certain point, we have limitations, and of course we can 607 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 4: get around them. There's a lot of my patients that, 608 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 4: you know, if they're much older and or they've already 609 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 4: gone into menopause, Like, I can still get someone pregnant 610 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 4: with donor eggs, which is pretty amazing. Your uterist does 611 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 4: an age. That's an uplifting fact that needs to be said. Right, 612 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 4: you can always come back and have you know, the 613 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 4: response to hormones that we can give you to help 614 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 4: an embryo and plant, but it might not look the 615 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 4: way you set out for it to look. 616 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: Right, Can I ask a question that might be inappropriate, 617 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: but like, what's the oldest woman you've ever gotten pregnant? 618 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 3: Forty eight? Okay? 619 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, wow, But I mean it's been done around 620 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 4: the world, like at seventy I'm not saying people should 621 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 4: do that, but it is a proven fact that your 622 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 4: uterus always has the ability to carry a pregnancy. It's 623 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 4: our eggs that are the limiting factors. 624 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: So interesting. 625 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would tell the thirty four year 626 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 4: old listen, like, you don't have to do anything right, 627 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 4: but know that you could change your mind and this 628 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 4: is what changes in terms of your biology. So it's 629 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 4: up to you to decide, like what your level of 630 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 4: urgency is to be proactive and freeze for the future. 631 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 4: But I highly recommend it if there's any chance you 632 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 4: could change your mind. 633 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: Of course, one thing we talk about on the show 634 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: a lot is on learning, sort of like untangling things 635 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: we've been taught. 636 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 3: Yes, what is the one thing that. 637 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: You really want people would unlearn about? Like women's health, fertility, pregnancy, 638 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: just like in this entire world, Like, what's something you 639 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: wish people would sort of like unlearn about all of that. 640 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 4: I think that it's our burden to bear as women, right. 641 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 4: I think that it's shocking to me that in twenty 642 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: twenty five, every once in a while I'll still meet 643 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 4: a couple where the male partner may not want to 644 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 4: get tested or like it's not me, it's her. And 645 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 4: it's becoming less common, thankfully, but I still see it. 646 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 4: And I think that is the prevailing theme in all 647 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 4: of this, is that women blame all of the negatives 648 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: around fertility and pregnancy health on themselves. Women often will 649 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 4: not ask for help. They'll often say, yeah, my periods 650 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 4: are normal for me. I mean yeah. But then I 651 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 4: probe further and they're like, I've missed so much school 652 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: or work in my life, and I'm like, that's not normal. 653 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 4: That pain is a sign that something is wrong, right, 654 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,959 Speaker 4: And so I think that we take on too much. 655 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 4: We are scapegoats. We are people that are often you know, 656 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 4: just left to feel the blame and the weight of 657 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 4: it all. And I think that's what we need to unlearn. 658 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 3: No, I agree, a lot of this is out of your. 659 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: Control and it's not your fault, right, And there's a 660 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 4: lot of things that in this world you put in 661 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 4: the effort and you get the results in your fertility relationships, 662 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 4: Like all these types of issues in our life which 663 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 4: are so important, aren't in our control. 664 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: Your book comes out in January, Yes, what are people 665 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 1: going to learn from it? What are you most excited 666 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: for people to read in there? 667 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 4: Like, well, my book is called The Lucky Egg, and 668 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 4: it's obviously a play on my name, which you know 669 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 4: I grew up hating, and now as a fertility doctor, 670 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 4: I'm like, it's actually great. It makes people feel good. 671 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: So perfect for this book. 672 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, And also I wanted to say it earlier, but 673 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 4: I was like I resisted the shameless plug. But we're 674 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 4: talking about the randomness, right, Like the idea that you 675 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 4: just a lot of this is left up to luck. 676 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 4: And it's not to say that there aren't things that 677 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 4: you can do, Yes, Like lead the healthiest version of 678 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 4: your life. And yes, be intentional about your goals. Like 679 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 4: you said, pencil it in for thirty two, so at 680 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 4: least you're thinking about it. So it's not all left 681 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 4: up to chance, but a lot of it is. And 682 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 4: I think that that absolves a lot of women of 683 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 4: the guilt and self blame to hopefully understand like there 684 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 4: is some element of luck and just things kind of 685 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 4: lining up. And I always say, like fertility can feel 686 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 4: like a slot machine. You have to pull the lever 687 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 4: many times to get things to line up. So this 688 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 4: book is trying to help people unlearn a lot of 689 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: the unhelpful narratives that have been fed to them about 690 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 4: their fertility. It's also, you know, just highlighted in today's conversation, 691 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 4: how little that we know about this really complex issue. 692 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 4: And we as women for all too long have been 693 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 4: left to our own devices to just magically do this 694 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 4: one to eighty, where now all of a sudden we 695 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 4: have to care about how to track our ovulation and 696 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 4: what to do. So this is literally everything one needs 697 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 4: to know, whether they're preparing to get pregnant, whether they 698 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 4: want to freeze for the future, whether they're going through problems, 699 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 4: whether they're already suffering with failed cycles, and understanding like 700 00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 4: fact from fiction because there's a lot of bs out there. 701 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 4: It's really just like everything you need to know. 702 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 3: Okay, amazing. I'm excited to read it. Yeah, I'm going to. 703 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 4: Send you a copy, please do Yeah for sure. 704 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Well, Doctor Lucky, thank you so much for coming on. 705 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. 706 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Doctor Lucky for talking to me. 707 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: Look out for her book, The Lucky Egg, coming out 708 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: in January twenty twenty six. I hope this was informative 709 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: for you. It certainly was for me, and I hope 710 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: knowing about all of this makes you feel like you 711 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: have a little more power over your future. 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