WEBVTT - Tim Miller & David Rubenstein 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:04.160 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.400 --> 0:00:07.160 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.719 today's best minds. And Donald Trump bizarrely claimed that migrants 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.320 have a phone app that connects them directly to Kamala 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.400 Harris during a speech at Trump Tower on Thursday. I 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:23.600 am without words. We have such a great show for 0:00:23.640 --> 0:00:27.319 you today the Bulwarks. Tim Miller stops by to talk 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:30.400 the state of the presidential race. First we'll talk to 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.960 Carlisle Group co founder David Rubinstein about what he's seeing 0:00:35.000 --> 0:00:36.200 in the political landscape. 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:37.839 But first the news. 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:42.080 So, Mallie, I really feel like the Springfield, Ohio people 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.440 have been through enough. It really if this news cycle 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.320 could just go away, I'm sure everyone would be happier, 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.560 But unfortunately politicians have the politics. 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:52.800 So what do you see? Hear? 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.600 Trump has said he will go to Springfield and the 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.080 famous two weeks. That could be two weeks, that could 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:00.640 be two years, that could be never, because weeks is 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.160 an amount of time that can sometimes never happen in 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:04.039 Donald Trump world. 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:06.720 It's the infrastructure week of this cycle, right. 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:10.480 But the Springfield mayor rejected a call with Jade Vance 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.520 and said, in fact, the safety of our residence is 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.760 a responsibility we should take seriously. It should not be politicized. 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.840 Springfield's mayor wrote to Vance, you know, there's a school 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:24.920 of thought that Harris should go and be there and 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:30.720 talk about Trump's rhetoric towards Haitian immigrants and how Unamerican 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.800 it is. I'm not sure that it is the best 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.720 use of her pulpit, but maybe it is. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:37.400 I don't know. 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.400 Obviously, Trump shouldn't go. Do you remember in twenty sixteen 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.760 when Trump would go somewhere and then they'd have elevated 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.560 kind of hate crimes in the area afterwards. 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.800 I do, I do. It's almost like his rhetoric emboldens people. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:54.520 Yeah, so I hope that he doesn't go to Springfield. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.800 I hope that Harris does meet this head on. But it's, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:02.160 you know, a complete fiasco create by JD. Vance and 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.240 based on almost just nothing. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:07.000 And this mayor has been doing tons of press hits 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.320 basically trying to calm this down and do the right thing. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:10.960 And he is a Republican mayor. 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.639 Right and also the governor of the state. Mike DeWine 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.800 has also said that this is just super unhelpful. 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:20.560 Billy shifted gears. We talked about ethics and politics. This 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.440 was a bad week for it being a good connotation 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:24.840 of the two words together. 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.520 It was not a good week for ethics in the 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:32.360 American political system. On the left, we had and I'm 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:34.799 not even tre he's a Democrat, but we had our 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:40.560 Mayor Eric adams Man who bought the cop robot. That guy, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.359 I think he got arranged today facing numerous. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:51.480 Counts bribery, being non registered for it aged to doing business. 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.720 And getting a lot of a lot of free trips 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:57.320 on Turkish air. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:03.120 In fact, first stop is always it's Stumbo anyway. 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.080 So but that was not all when it came to 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.360 Dicey ethics. But I do want to just mention the 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:13.280 Democrat because we are nothing if not nonpartisan, and if 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.280 Republicans ever got normal again, we might be nice to them. 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.840 On Thursday, Representative Matt Gates, you'll remember him from being 0:03:21.280 --> 0:03:24.360 just a complete lunatic and also having had too much 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:26.400 botox in his forehead so it made his. 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.640 Eyes were That's something I will never forget personally. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.200 There's nothing wrong with botox, but you just have to 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:34.519 be a little careful. You always know things are going 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.080 great when you publicly deny you had sex with a 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:42.120 woman under eighteen. Always Good made a vague comment about 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.280 drug use and warned that he may not cooperate with 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.960 a subpoena from the House Ethics Committee. Real talk, Jesse Cannon. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:54.800 The House Ethics Committee could not be more toothless discuss. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:58.400 It is basically a ninety year old person with deadsures 0:03:58.760 --> 0:03:59.920 the way that it has teeth. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:04.520 Yes, yeah, it has literally no teeth. They have like 0:04:04.680 --> 0:04:08.040 almost never found anyone. The House Ethics Committee is like 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.600 when the library gives you a fine. Okay, it's like 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:15.000 when you don't do your jury summons. But he's still 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.560 worried and he still may not participate. Earlier in the week, 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:22.440 The New York Times broke a story that freshman congressman 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.080 this is one of these congressional seats that Biden won. 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:30.360 It's Long Island Anthony d Esposito. You may remember him. 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.760 He employed both his mistress and his fiance's daughter on 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.240 his congressional payroll. 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:37.599 Because why not. 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.080 I mean, you would think you might be slightly worried 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.080 about them meeting each other. 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.279 But again, we still have Santos. 0:04:44.800 --> 0:04:48.400 Pleading guilty to wire fraud and then on the Democratic 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.720 side because the stupid and criminal is not a partisan activity. 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.479 Bob Menendez with the gold bars, everybody knows that story. 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.520 Henry Qular was indicted in May for money laundering conspiracy 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:03.880 Briber because of course business interests in Mexico and auberation 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.280 by Jean and then of course Hunter Biden and the 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:12.560 FBI has seized Representative Andy Ogle's cell phone in August. Again, 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:17.000 we don't know what the TLDR on that is, though 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.240 he has been accused of filing falls campaign reports. Scott 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:24.360 Perry has his own legal fight with the Justice Department 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:26.600 after his phone was seized in part of the January 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:31.120 sixth committee. And so there you go. It just is 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.920 an absolute congressional ethics shit show in Congress. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.520 Turning to a place I really did not think we'd 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.280 ever discussed, because I remember when we used to see 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.520 Nebraska's one electoral vote in its second district, we'd always 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:48.280 laugh and go, why the hell will they do that? 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.839 That's become quite a political hubbed lately. Molly, what do 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:51.440 you see there? 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:53.400 So Republicans are desperate? 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.480 I think actually the best explanation of it comes from 0:05:57.600 --> 0:06:01.200 Dave Weigel, friend of the Pod semaphore our political journalist. 0:06:01.240 --> 0:06:03.560 This guy goes everywhere, he said, and I think this 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.320 is really the right take, making multiple loud plays for 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:10.159 Omaha's electoral vote. You'll remember the Republicans wanted to switch 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:12.839 it to a winner take all state, getting Representative Don 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:16.440 Bacon on the record saying that he wanted to switch 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.080 it to winner take all and that not doing it 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.960 is obviously the worst ending here for ours. And a 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.000 new poll shows that Harris is up eleven in Nebraska's 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:27.680 second district. You'll remember Biden won it by six or 0:06:27.720 --> 0:06:30.720 seven and twenty twenty. This is a really good example 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.120 of people don't like it when you take away their stuff, 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:38.239 and in this case it's the electoral vote. With Nebraska second, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.760 Harris would only need Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin to get to 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.800 two seventy. Again, this is this whole. As you know, 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:49.719 we're thirty eight days till the election. We're just sort 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:54.719 of cruising and hoping that, you know, she can win Pennsylvania, 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.279 but this would make it so she wouldn't have to necessarily. 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.760 We'll see what happens. But it continues on Somali. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.400 We've found out that Respucinar, as you like to call 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.039 them resputant. The polling firm that always seems to put 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.840 a Republican up very high compared to the rest might 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:13.120 be doing some nefarious dealings. Would you see here? 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:16.680 So this is an incredible story file under stuff you 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:20.880 suspected and thought was probably right. This is a polling company, 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:26.600 and American muckrakers have discovered that they post these emails 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:31.239 detailing how the conservative leaning pollsters have been sharing polls 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:36.520 with Trump advisors and campaign officials. Basically, this is Pulse's propaganda. Right, 0:07:36.640 --> 0:07:39.520 Trump is doing better in these polls. It makes Trump 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:44.440 feel better, it makes everyone feel better. It's like internal polling. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:49.400 It has different uses, many of which are nefarious. I'm 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:52.080 not so shocked to see it, because anyone who's been 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.840 paying attention knows their numbers are way out of whack. 0:07:55.080 --> 0:07:58.000 But it's a good reminder that if you think something 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:05.840 nefarious is happenings. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.480 We have even more tour dates for you. Did you 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.080 know the Lincoln Projects, Rick Willson, have Fast Politics, Mali 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:15.280 jug Fast are heading out on tour to bring you 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.640 a night of laughs for our dark political landscape. 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Have I ever been 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:29.240 on any other show more? I don't know. I guess 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.079 you and the podbros. Probably it's a competition. I think 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:32.840 you might have them be. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.600 I like you a lot, and I think that you're 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.520 really smart and also hilarious. 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:41.040 Than can' I'm getting uncomfortable though. 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.560 That's good. You're terrible and you're easy to get, all right. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.199 That's my wheelhouse. Yeah, let's ship talk me a little bit. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:49.640 That's that's why I like it. 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.760 But I do think you're doing a really good job 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.280 to engaging with whatever is out there. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:57.000 I feel like. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:00.680 Every day in this endless election cycle, some days I'm like, 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:03.280 this is going to be fine, American democracy is going 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:06.400 to continue. Why are we all so upset? And some 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.840 days I'm like, where am I going to move? 0:10:09.200 --> 0:10:12.280 We should be upset. I'm riled myself up this morning. 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.320 So you've picked a good time to ask me this. 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.480 Oh good, And that is because this is a really 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:20.280 cool election. Like I'd rather become mold than Trump. Sure, 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.280 and if this was a situation where it's like, you know, 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.320 my basketball team is like the Nuggets are playing against 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.640 the Mavericks, and I'd rather be the Nuggets. Like that'd 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:30.240 be great, I'd have I'd be confident, I'd be going 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:31.319 into the game. I want to have a beer. I 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.360 want to watch it. But like the country is on 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.559 the line, like I'd rather become mold than Trump slightly 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:38.280 is like not good. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:38.680 Enough for me. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.680 It should be more, should be clearer. And I'm very 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.640 frustrated that I feel like there's a lack of urgency 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.080 not among the Harris campaign. I think they're doing a 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.240 good job. I could see a little bit more from them, 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:52.880 just as far as visibility, but like directionally they're doing 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:55.080 a good job. But like the other people out there, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.640 why are Mark Cuban and Sarah Longwell and Mollie jong 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:01.120 Fast the only people that I see doing interviews. I 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:04.559 do just feel like that this moment, when somebody is running, 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.560 who has already attempted an insurrection, who already spurred a 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:11.720 mob at the Capitol, calls for people to step up 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.280 and speak out, and I think that there's a lot 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.959 of people that are not stepping up and I think 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:20.080 it's because there's maybe just a little bit of false 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:24.840 confidence about Kamala. Confidence is good, but I don't like overconfidence. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:26.240 I was texting with Mark. 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:29.560 I had always thought Mark was the best possible surrogate 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.400 for Harris World, because Trump has this thing where he's 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:38.880 like businessman, billionaire, alpha alpha, And what we talk about 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:41.280 a lot, and I think this is largely true, is 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.559 that Harris wins with women and she's lagging with this 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.040 sort of alpha man man, masculine man, man rip your 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.000 shirt off. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:51.800 Crew, you know. 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.480 And so what I think is great about Mark is 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.960 that he really makes the case that she's actually better 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.200 on the economy, which we all well, no, but he 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.559 was saying, I said, you know, I was really glad 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:07.200 you went on that Fox hit was really really smart, right, 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.440 He just like took a case by case. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:11.959 And then he was on CNBC the next day. 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.400 But he said he saw the Fox guy he's on 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.560 Yo Kovudo's team setting up, and he went over there 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.080 and was like, do you want to have me on? 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:20.160 And they were like. 0:12:20.280 --> 0:12:23.080 Yeah, And he went on THEO Vaughn's podcast, which is 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:26.400 like a very bro we kind of Trump friendly podcast, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.720 like not political, and I thought they had a very 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.320 casual conversation. We need that out there and. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:32.800 Pete and repeat the other day. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.080 He's great, Pete goes everywhere, but as a gay me 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.600 and Pete like, are we the best people for this option? 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:40.400 I mean, like I also like to rip my shirt 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:41.920 off at the bar, but it's kind of a different 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.160 scene than the kind of shirt ripping off that Hull 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:48.360 Cogan is doing. And so getting more guys out there 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:50.880 to do this, I think he's important. So I'm glad 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:52.720 Mark even's doing it. Though My point is just like. 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:54.760 He shouldn't be alone right now. 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:56.400 You know, there are a lot of business guys out there. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.200 There a lot of sports figures. I talk obsessively about 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.280 all the never trial. You know, there's in the myths, 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.160 and we should mentioned Liz. Liz is out. 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.839 There, change, Liz is out there. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.839 It's just like, why can we name all the people 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:10.200 that are out there? Shun't shouldn't be an overwhelming, you know, 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:13.120 sort of force speaking out And that's the thing that 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:13.680 concerns me. 0:13:13.880 --> 0:13:15.880 No, I think that's a really good point. And Liz 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:19.559 is out there, and Dick has endorsed too. I mean, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:22.240 I think there's a question. Look, Those people are not 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:25.680 out there to convince liberals to vote for Harris. They're 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:29.000 out there to provide the permission structure and break through 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.160 the mainstream media and me make the case to low 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:36.560 information voters that this is the most important election of 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:37.520 all of our lives. 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.120 Yeah, and there are many different groups, right, I mean, 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.720 like we obviously at the bullwork, like we talked mostly 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:46.800 about these sort of middle high income, college educated suburban men, 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.520 mostly because their wives already voting for Kamala, and how 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.000 to nudge them. That's an important group. There was a 0:13:52.040 --> 0:13:54.640 moment right when the campaign, right when the switch happened, 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:57.920 right where Charlie tweets Kamala's brat and Beyonce is out 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.679 there and Megan the Statability did that recently. That was 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.200 really good. That's great. I like that that's happening. But again, 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.640 I just I want to be insatiable because everything matters here. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.040 And I think that the celebrity types kind of reaching 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.079 out to younger people, getting them out is important. Like 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.240 there are a few different areas. Another group that I'm 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.240 obsessed with that I don't think that gets enough attention 0:14:16.400 --> 0:14:20.160 is non college white women and trying to have people 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:24.120 talk to them like rural women about about dobbs being 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.280 post doobs and being like, you know, just because your 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.440 husbands for Trump or your ex husband's for Trump, doesn't 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:30.160 mean you have to be. And so I think that's 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:32.480 the key. So anyway, all this stuff, all this stuff 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.520 is going to matter on the margins because unfortunately, this 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.360 thing is is is going to be close, and it's 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:40.000 too close. It's too close for comfort. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:42.320 Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.720 And I mean you saw those little nodes that women 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.360 are leaving each other in the bathroom. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:48.400 Nobody knows, needs to know your vote. 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:48.640 You know. 0:14:48.760 --> 0:14:51.840 Again, that's smart, right, I mean those are the things 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.000 that Hillary Clinton world did not do because there was 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:58.640 this belief, this inherent belief that Trump was so ridiculous 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:00.000 that no one would ever elect impress. 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:03.800 Yeah, that was a real problem. It's funny, there's some 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:06.040 of the listeners on this show feel this way. Sometimes 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:08.920 I get frustrated with my new progressive and liberal allies 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.200 because they'll be like kam was definitely gonna win. Stop 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:14.800 down talking her, or like stop talking about this polls 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.920 like it's great, everything's great. We need to be hoping. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.320 I'll hope him. Hey, look, if you want positivity in 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.920 your life, I'm for it. You know, whatever keeps you going. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.200 I'm not judging, but just as a strategic political matter, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:30.040 you cannot object to the fact that Hillary was harmed 0:15:30.320 --> 0:15:32.640 by the perception that she was clearly going to win 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.200 because there were people that did not vote for her 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:37.480 that would have voted for her. I just interviewed one. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.920 Michael medved a conservative talk radio host basically the only 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.120 national one who kept his integrity during the Trump era, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.960 lost his show, got replaced by Seb Gorka. That tells 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.680 you everything about the devolution of the Republican Party that 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:53.560 this guy, the smart, thoughtful, very you know, steeped in history. 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.760 Conservative radio host got replaced by Seb Gorka. So anyway, 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.920 but he was like his vote general mantics who lived 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:01.160 in Seattle, but he's represented other people, you know where 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:02.640 He's like, I didn't vote for Hillary because I didn't 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.400 think if I thought that Trump could win, I would 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:06.920 voted for Hillary. And there were people out there like that. 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:08.840 And there were people who didn't show up because they 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.360 didn't think that they didn't think it mattered. Who are liberals? 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:13.040 And there are people who wrote in Jill Stein on 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.600 the other side of the you know, ideological spectrum. So 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:17.880 I don't like that, and I like the Harris campaign 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.320 has not fallen into that trap at all, by the way, 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.640 which Cherry had been consistent on, we're running like we're behind, 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:24.360 and that's good. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.720 Yeah, But I think that's a really good point. And 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:30.920 I think the sort of the ridiculousness of Trump and 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:35.320 trump Ism really did help him both win, and the 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.880 fact that he seemed to like completely unelectable did actually 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:43.560 help him win. You had an amazing moment during the 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:47.280 debate where you were talking in the spin room. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:48.800 Can you talk about that. 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:50.680 I was having so much fun, Molly. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:52.640 You seem like you were having a. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:56.680 The time of my life in that spin room, because 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.200 as much as happy as Democrats were about calm was 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.520 a big night around the spinner room. And they're surrogates 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.720 and they all seemed happy, none of them seemed as 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.879 happy as me. And you know why. You know why, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:11.359 It's because they don't know these assholes like I do. 0:17:12.280 --> 0:17:16.360 And so I got to have the added joy of 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:20.120 really appreciating their suffering in a way that the Democrats 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:21.720 kind of do. Right, Like You're like, I don't like 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.520 Corey Lewandowski in a distant way, and he deserves some suffering. 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.360 But like I know him. I've been in meetings with him. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.199 I know I got hit checked by him. Like I 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.320 know these people. If I don't know them, I know 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:34.840 their type. I got to go to the Spin Room 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:37.400 with its one guy, David Bossi, who one time made 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.199 an anti gay joke in a meeting I was in, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.320 not knowing I was gay, And so, you know, it 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:44.280 just kind of gives you just a little insight into 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.000 his morality and the type of person that he is. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.960 I had the biggest shitting and grin on my face 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.359 when I went up to him, and I like, David 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.520 got some questions for you about the debate. I wonder 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:56.560 now when Sony. That was fun. And then I and 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.000 then me and Lindsay Graham got into a very heated dispute. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.680 Me and Lindsay new know each other quite well, and 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.600 I was just I was teasing him and trying to 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.199 be like, hey, this is your moment, go back to 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:10.880 twenty sixteen, Lindsay, never Trump. Lindsay, this is your moment. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.560 Get off the ship. The water's warm, we'll welcome you. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.640 And he did not like that, and instead of going 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.040 along with the joking, he shouted at me and told 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:21.760 me I should be ashamed of myself, what for supporting 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:25.080 Kamala because of the conservative policies that are being I 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:27.280 don't know, it's the kind of shit you need to 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:29.680 convince yourself to sleep at night that like you're the 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.840 righteous one. And then I told him no, he should 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:33.719 be ashamed of himself. And then we yelled back and 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.760 forth for a while because he's a politician. At the 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:37.439 very end of the fight, he tried to make up 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.359 with me. And when he tried to make up with me, 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.159 I was like, okay, but you can admit that, like 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:43.280 the debate prep team was really bad, right, And he 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:45.679 was like, oh yeah, the debate prep team should totally 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:48.120 be fired and Mack's UNTILSI are awful. And I was like, thanks, 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.159 Lindsay immediately tweeting this. I'm tweeting this. Then he like 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:55.040 an hour later had like post a damage control Instagram post. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.879 So it's like, mister Trump did a great job. Like 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:00.000 don't listen to it. The people at the fake news 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.760 is it saying? So it was fun agreed time. I'm 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.880 sad that it seems like Trump doesn't want a debate again, 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.840 because I was looking forward to doing it all over again. 0:19:08.880 --> 0:19:09.800 I wanted an encore. 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:13.400 One of the sort of unspoken stories of this cycle, 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:19.159 I think is the complete train Wreckerry in Congress. You know, 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.160 they've done nothing. One of the things I love about 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.560 Mike Johnson is how bad he is at this job. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.480 So he was going to do all these messaging bills 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:28.639 and he was going to be it was going to 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.040 be Woke Week. By the way, the one time I 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:34.520 heard about Woke Week, I think was reading Punchball, like 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.320 a week before, and then you never heard about it again. 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:39.480 But they voted on messaging bills, they. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:43.840 Voted on washing machines, and then he was unable to 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:48.800 do this Citizen Voting Act, which was just psychodrama and 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.600 the hopes of making it you know whatever. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:52.040 I mean. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.680 Have you ever seen a Congress as badly roun And 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.480 this is two part question, what is going to happen 0:19:58.520 --> 0:19:59.520 to Matt Gates? 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.200 Dying to know what would have happened on woke Week? 0:20:02.400 --> 0:20:04.639 You know, good Robin DeAngelo in there. I don't know, 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:06.199 It's like, low, what are you gonna do? What was 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:09.479 the point was the idea I have seen a Congress 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:13.680 is badly run. Actually, Kevin McCarthy's Congress, the exact previous 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.159 one to this one before that had been a while. 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.359 Mike Johnson at least did the Ukraine deal, so they 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.800 did that, But we are steering down the barrel. Can 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.240 I just say, like, even if Kamala wins, I'm sure 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:24.679 a lot of people will want to kind of take 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:25.880 a deep breath and check out, and. 0:20:25.840 --> 0:20:26.600 I'll respect that. 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.080 But like the Christmas deadline that he's now set up, 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.560 like the government is going to run out of money Christmas, 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.040 then you'd have January sixth, two point zero, and you 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.520 know Mike Johnson potentially needing votes again to be the speaker, 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.639 and so like all the crazies will be able to 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:43.320 hold him hostage. Like the end of this year into 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.679 January in the House is going to be insane, and 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.960 Mike Johnson is not up for the challenge at all. 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.000 I don't know what's going to happen to mac Gates. 0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:53.920 The mac Gates Kevin McCarthy thing is like such an 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.520 Iran Iraq war situation. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:57.240 True, there's no one. 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.680 So everyone saw I find myself Matt Gates nailed Kevin 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.800 McCarthy there and then I'm like, that was a good one, Matt, 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:06.680 And I'm like, no, bad tim. Don't think about that. 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:09.600 So I really, honestly, I just have closely to know. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.080 But there's an ethics investigation into Matt Gates, which he's 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:15.200 like so freaked out about, and I'm like, it's an 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:17.200 ethics investigation in Congress. 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.640 They're not going to find anything. They never find anything. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:21.920 Yeah, he's been subpoenat, I guess by his colleagues. 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:22.240 I don't know. 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.280 Yeah, it's going to be ugly. The House Republican situation 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.200 is going to be ugly. I mean they're in some ways. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.639 Mike Johnson honestly is just begging for the Democrats to 0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:33.400 win so he can be a minority leader because minority 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:35.800 leader is an easy job. Speaker is a hard job. 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:36.359 Yeah. 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:41.960 The Republicans in Long Island, d Esposito, who recently put 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:46.560 his mistress on his payroll in his district office. You 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:51.600 have ds Posito, you have Santos Lolda. That is a 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:54.640 real rogue rogues gallery. 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:54.720 It is. 0:21:54.760 --> 0:21:58.720 And even the supposed good one, Mike Lawler, is like 0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:01.199 he does ever do anything good? You know, he just 0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:03.440 doesn't do the bad stuff. He just doesn't do any 0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:04.919 of Like the cre just doesn't go along with the 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.280 craziest stuff. Like he's not out there being like Haitians 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.399 eat animals, but like he doesn't actually do anything to 0:22:11.440 --> 0:22:16.080 separate himself in a meaningful way from the Maga Republicans, 0:22:16.119 --> 0:22:18.800 and Monde's running against him. So no, the New York 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:21.600 is I think the other thing, and this is you know, 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:24.080 more in your wheelhouse, Molly. But like I think a 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.640 big advantage for the Democrats in the House this year 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.359 is a lot of these Republican gains in the House 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:32.080 were in blue states, I think because abortion was a 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:35.120 lower salience issue, you know, because like if I live 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:37.600 on Long Island, I think, I think overturn of Row 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.399 is bad, but like I live in Long Island, like 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.080 abortions legal here, it's not. I don't have to worry 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:46.000 about my daughter or my niece or whatever. And now 0:22:46.119 --> 0:22:49.160 with like the prospect of Donald Trump and Mike Johnson, 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.440 you know, kind of running the show, it's a higher 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:53.520 salience issue for everybody, no matter where you live. And 0:22:53.800 --> 0:22:57.040 I think that's great problems for those guys in addition 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:59.639 to them just being like a total clown car of buffoonery. 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:01.600 Yeah, I mean I think so too. 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:05.800 Again, Like, this is the thing with all of these poles, right, 0:23:06.119 --> 0:23:10.320 if she's overperforming by these numbers, there's the thinking is 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:13.400 that she'll flip a bunch of congressional seats, especially seeds 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:18.320 where Biden won. My general anxiety with all these poles, 0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:21.280 besides the fact is that they're wildly inaccurate, though they 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.000 are showing a good trajectory for her, is my anxiety 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.520 is there are so many of these poles where the 0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.600 bottom of the ticket, you know that you've got to 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:32.159 send a candidate winning by ten points, and then you 0:23:32.240 --> 0:23:34.639 have them dead even at the top of the ticket, 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:37.399 and that math doesn't make sense. 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.280 The math really doesn't make sense in Arizona. I like 0:23:40.359 --> 0:23:42.880 the math and a lot of the other states besides 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.520 the Mountain West, because what you see really is Casey 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:50.520 and Pennsylvania Baldwin like running ahead of Kamala, and the 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.040 margin like on the ballot, they're pretty similar, and you 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:55.320 kind of you know, there's just some undecided and so 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.280 you kind of think that they will probably end up 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.280 converging in those blue wall states in a way that 0:24:00.400 --> 0:24:02.600 is beneficial for the Democrats. I got to tell you, 0:24:02.600 --> 0:24:05.359 I'm just at a loss about what's happening in Arizona 0:24:05.359 --> 0:24:09.119 and Nevada. And you know, Jackie Rosen and Diego winning 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:13.120 by a million points and Kamala and Trumping tied. And 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:16.360 I know Carrie Lake is horrible and Reuben's a good candidate, 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:18.160 so I guess that kind of makes sense. But there's 0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:21.359 a seventeen point gap between Diego and Kama that does 0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:24.159 make many sense. And then in Nevada, I mean, Jackie 0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.320 Rosen is a good person, but it's not like she 0:24:26.520 --> 0:24:29.640 has this great brand or is like super famous or popular, 0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.119 you know what I mean. It's not like, oh, I 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.239 get it. Why would Jackie Rosen be running so far 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.800 ahead of it. There's something funky in the numbers out there. 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:40.480 And I don't know if they're struggling to pull Hispanics 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.320 or waited. I know that Polsters have to have had 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.800 trouble with Hispanics in the past because the Spanish speaking 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:48.400 element and getting the right mix. I don't know, it's 0:24:48.440 --> 0:24:48.960 just a theory. 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:50.040 It's possible. 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:52.320 With the top of the ticket, what they're doing is 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:56.119 they're addressing for this Trump electorate, right If that electorate 0:24:56.200 --> 0:24:58.359 comes out, they're going to leave the bottom of the 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.680 ticket blank or they're going to vote for the Democrat. 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:03.720 I just have trouble if you were a MAGA voter 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.120 who the last time you voted was twenty sixteen, you're 0:25:07.160 --> 0:25:08.800 going to go out there and be like, I haven't 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.760 voted in almost a decade, but I'm going to be 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:16.560 a split ticket voter because I want a Democratic Congress 0:25:16.600 --> 0:25:17.640 to check my guy. 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:19.040 I mean, that doesn't make any sense. 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.200 The only thing that makes sense about why the gap 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.280 is so big out there. But again, this is only 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:26.600 like two points, it's not seventeen points, right, But like 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.680 I do think conceivably that we've seen some slippage among 0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:32.320 Hispanic voters at the time, and so maybe that there's 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:35.080 some Myspanic voters that look at Reuben Guago, they know him, 0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:37.960 he's been there, he's a Hispanic and like he cares 0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:40.800 at the border, and they've been Democrats. These Suspans have 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:43.000 been Democrats. And like, for whatever reason, if talking about 0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:45.920 Hispanic men, YOUNGESTUK men were seeing that, like there's some 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:47.679 Trump ap you like, I don't get it. I'm just 0:25:47.680 --> 0:25:51.119 saying I don't, but I don't understand why. But I 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.320 recognize that there's some evidence that that's happening, so there 0:25:54.359 --> 0:25:57.359 could be some gap among Hispanic voters there who had 0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.320 been Democrats who are now kind of mega curious, but 0:26:00.480 --> 0:26:04.400 like still, that explains two points difference, not the fact 0:26:04.440 --> 0:26:07.000 that this literally this Fox poll had Ruben up by 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.639 thirteen and Trump up by three. Like, that's not going 0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:11.439 to happen. There's going to be split ticket. There are 0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:13.679 some split ticket voters out there. People are weird, but 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:17.880 not one in five voters are not going to split 0:26:17.920 --> 0:26:19.520 between Rubin and Donald Trump. 0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:23.080 Tim Miller, thank you so much for joining us, Molly, 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:23.600 I love you. 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:24.600 We'll be talking to you soon. 0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:28.680 Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 0:26:28.720 --> 0:26:32.400 awful Trump's second term could be, Well, so are we, 0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:34.919 which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make 0:26:34.960 --> 0:26:38.600 a limited series with the experts on what a disaster 0:26:39.080 --> 0:26:42.760 Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now, 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.120 we have just released the final episode of this five 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:50.200 episode series. 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We need to educate 0:27:07.119 --> 0:27:10.720 Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:11.640 to this country. 0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:13.720 So please watch it and spread the word. 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.200 David Rubinstein is the co founder of the Carlisle Group. 0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:24.639 Welcome to Fast Politics, David Rubinstein. 0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.040 Thank you very much, my pleasure to be here. 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.640 You have been writing these history books. 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:32.679 I mean they're not just history. There conversations with presidents. 0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.480 But just explain to us how you got into this. 0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.760 So I became the president of the Economic Club of 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:42.280 Washington about fifteen years ago, and I was supposed to 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:44.560 bring business people in to speak, but I found that 0:27:44.600 --> 0:27:47.320 business people were boring and putting people into sleep. So 0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:50.240 I decided I would change the format and I would 0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:52.119 just interview them. And it turned out it for a 0:27:52.119 --> 0:27:53.920 couple of years. People thought that I had a good 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:56.679 interview style, use some humor and other things, and so 0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.080 Bloomberg actually put it on television, My Interviews, and I 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:01.720 have a show and a couple of shows on Bloomberg 0:28:01.760 --> 0:28:03.359 where I do it, and I also do it at 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:05.159 the New York Historical Society and they put them on 0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:08.639 PBS on History kind of interview show. For whatever reason, 0:28:08.680 --> 0:28:10.480 I've been doing a lot of interviews, and then I 0:28:10.520 --> 0:28:13.560 decided to take the interviews and put them together in 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:16.879 book form. And so why just most recently have a 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.800 book out on the Presidency where I took interviews I've 0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.119 done with presidents people have served or living presidents, and 0:28:23.160 --> 0:28:26.040 then combined that with interviews I've done about scholars on 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:28.720 people like Washington or Lincoln, and combine that. So the 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.399 most recent book called The Highest Calling, and it's a 0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.080 fifth one of my interview kind of compilations, and this 0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.920 one talks about the presidency, my own views of having 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:38.520 worked in the White House and what it's like to 0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:40.080 work with a president, what it's like to work in 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:42.520 the White House, and my own views on the presidents 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:43.360 that I've interviewed. 0:28:43.600 --> 0:28:46.400 Yeah, it seems to me there's a lot to be 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.880 said about what the experience is like, and people are 0:28:50.000 --> 0:28:53.240 very interested in it. The thing that I'm so struck by, 0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:57.000 because we just came off that Trump presidency, hopefully not 0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:58.320 going back again. 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.000 Was that there tends to be that the. 0:29:01.840 --> 0:29:06.160 Presidency elevates the person in it, except sometimes right. 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.000 Well, I call my book the highest calling, and what 0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.720 I mean by that is it's the most important job 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:13.960 in the world. We have about what's seven and a 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.200 half to eight billion people in the world. The only 0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.719 job that everybody in the world probably cares about what 0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:21.120 the person's doing, is the president of the United States. 0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:22.960 And so as we get close to an election, now 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:24.800 people are focused on it all over the world, who's 0:29:24.800 --> 0:29:26.360 going to be the president United States because they know 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.960 that what that president does will change the lives of 0:29:29.000 --> 0:29:30.720 people in the United States but also to lives of 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:32.840 people all over the world. So people are obsessed with 0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:34.680 who the president United States is going to be because 0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.840 even though the president might win by a narrow margin, 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.120 once he is elected or she's elected, that narrow margin 0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:42.720 will evaporate in the sense that people that the president 0:29:42.720 --> 0:29:45.080 will have the power to do very significant things and 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:47.320 won't have to be encumbered the fact that they won 0:29:47.480 --> 0:29:48.040 very narrowly. 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:51.200 Yeah, it does seem like you don't necessarily need to 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:54.640 have a mandate to still govern as if you have 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:55.480 a mandate. 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:57.760 Correct Well, for example, take the House of Representatives or 0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.440 take the Senate. Suppose you came from Mars and you 0:30:00.520 --> 0:30:03.920 observe that the Senate majority is one vote and the 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.880 House majority is two votes. You would say, well, presumably 0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:09.000 that both sides in the Senate and the House should 0:30:09.040 --> 0:30:10.840 get along with each other. Goes If you're operating in 0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.040 the House you only have a two seed majority, why 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:14.880 not cooperate with the other side and get somebody down 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.960 the middle. That's obviously not what we do. The same 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:18.880 is true in the Senate. We do things where just 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.400 having a one vote majority allows you or two seed 0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:23.720 majority allows you do things that are really going to 0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.600 be anathetical to the interest of the very significant minority. 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.440 It's a strange way to run a government, but that's 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:29.360 the system we now have. 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:32.240 Yeah, you worked in the White House a while ago. 0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:36.000 Can you explain to us it seems like there's such 0:30:36.000 --> 0:30:39.520 a shift, like so much of American politics was sort 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.800 of predicated on this kind of gentility that sort of 0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:47.920 surrounded the job, and that kind of fell away in 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.840 sort of the advent of Newt Giningridge, and I think 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:51.719 it's continued. 0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.400 Is that correct? And do you notice that difference? 0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.680 Yes? And now, remember we've had presidents who've been vilified 0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:01.120 from the beginning. Washington was vilified as present that Jefferson. 0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.640 People talked about his slave mistress while he was President 0:31:04.680 --> 0:31:07.320 of United States. People have been vilifying presidents for quite 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.320 some time. I'd say the atmosphere in Washington today is 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:14.040 fairly bad, though, because people raise money in politics they 0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.160 greater extent than ever, and you raise it from the 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:19.000 far left and the far right. There's very little money 0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:20.960 to be raised by saying to somebody, I'm going to 0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:22.800 do write something right down the middle, and I'm going 0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:24.960 to have a compromise that's going to make everybody happy. 0:31:24.960 --> 0:31:27.000 Nobody gives you money for that. Somebody on the far 0:31:27.080 --> 0:31:28.680 left of the far right will give you money. So 0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.880 it is a bizarre situation we have. Presidents are now 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.960 more vilified than ever, to some extent that they're always revilified, 0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.920 But now you have something called social media, and in 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:41.160 social media, everybody is an editor, everybody's an author, everybody's 0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.120 an expert. And as a result, you've got more people 0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.360 talking about what they don't like about the president we've 0:31:46.400 --> 0:31:47.120 ever had before. 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.320 Right, I mean though, talking about something where you don't 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:54.360 like the president isn't necessarily making the president less good, right, 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.560 Like some of the discourse may be good, right. 0:31:57.560 --> 0:31:59.600 Well, the scorts is always good, and you always want 0:31:59.640 --> 0:32:02.640 people to talking about policies and what governments are doing, 0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.320 because an effective democracy works and only have citizens really 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:09.280 participated and they're informed. But right now the vilification of 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.560 our leaders is awful, and probably some of that vilification 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:14.760 is leading the violence in many places. 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:19.640 Oh absolutely, it's so much of American politics. We saw 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:24.440 violence in the sixties and we've seen assassination attempts since then. 0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:29.320 But I have been struck by how this spate of 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:31.120 violence is pretty new. Right. 0:32:31.480 --> 0:32:33.840 Well, we have a lot of violence because we have 0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.640 a lot of television shows that people see violence and 0:32:36.680 --> 0:32:39.520 it just make believe on television sometimes, but people get 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.560 caught up in it. Also, I have to be honest, 0:32:41.720 --> 0:32:43.200 it's not that difficult to buy a gun in the 0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.400 United States. I think we have more guns in the 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.080 United States than we have people. There's violence everywhere, but 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.480 take a country that where there's very few guns, like Japan. 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.400 Now the prime minister was assassinated not long ago, Prime 0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:55.560 Minister Abbe, But generally you don't see a lot of 0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:58.600 shootings in Japan and Europe. It's hard to get a 0:32:58.640 --> 0:33:01.440 gun too, But the United States, we have a second Amendment, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.920 and it kind of protects people's rights to own guns 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.840 as it's been interpreted by the Supreme Court. So it's 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.680 fairly violent society. You have to be very careful these days. 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:12.240 You've both worked in government and a business. 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.440 Right now, there's this sort of moment where a lot 0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:20.960 of wealthy people are supporting presidential candidate who will not 0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.640 necessarily be a steward of the economy. I think that's 0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.440 a fair assessment of Donald Trump. Are these wealthy people 0:33:27.480 --> 0:33:30.040 supporting him just because of the tax cut or is 0:33:30.080 --> 0:33:30.760 there more to it. 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:33.840 Well, there are wealthy people on both sides, to be honest, 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.640 But I would say a lot of business people worry 0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.680 about their businesses, and I think they feel that there'll 0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:43.280 be less regulation under Donald Trump, less ani trust enforcement 0:33:43.360 --> 0:33:46.000 under Donald Trump, and lower taxes for business people and 0:33:46.080 --> 0:33:48.160 corporation under Donald Trump. So I think that's one of 0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.680 the reasons that they support him. I think some people 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.200 would say that they don't know Kamala Harris as well 0:33:53.240 --> 0:33:55.760 as they know Donald Trump, and so some people were 0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:57.680 worried about our positions. But you know, it's hard to 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.120 say why people are supporting people. My main point in 0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:03.000 the book, though, is that you should learn about the presidents, 0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.080 learn as much as you can, and actually vote. We 0:34:05.120 --> 0:34:07.520 have one hundred and sixty million people who voted last 0:34:07.520 --> 0:34:10.040 time in the presidential election, one hundred and sixty million, 0:34:10.200 --> 0:34:12.680 but eighty million people who are Americans did not vote, 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.480 who are eligible to vote. Eighty million legal citizens who 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.239 have the right to vote did not vote. And I 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:19.759 think we'd have a better democracy of more people who 0:34:19.840 --> 0:34:21.879 could vote actually did vote. 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.760 No question, And why do you think people don't vote? 0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:27.680 Well? The electoral college system we have makes some people 0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.000 think their vote is irrelevant. So let's suppose you're a 0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.719 Republican living in California. You know your vote isn't going 0:34:32.760 --> 0:34:34.880 to mean that much in the presidential election. Let's suppose 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:37.640 you're a Democrat living in Mississippi. Your vote isn't going 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.320 to mean that much in the presidential system. That's one factor. 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.759 Another factor is that for low income people sometimes it's 0:34:43.760 --> 0:34:46.560 hard to get the voting polls, and some people don't 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.160 really know how to fill out the forms for right 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.920 end ballots, and some places are them making harder to 0:34:52.000 --> 0:34:55.000 vote than it was before. I think some legislation was 0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:57.520 passed a few years ago in some states which makes 0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.560 it much harder to do a right end vote or 0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.520 something like that that. I think some people don't vote 0:35:01.520 --> 0:35:03.680 because it's inconvenient. Some people don't vote because they think 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:06.319 their vote won't matter. Some people just don't care and 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:08.240 they just don't participate in government anyway. 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.120 Yeah, but there's also like a real legacy of Jim 0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:16.000 Crow and disenfranchisement. Right, there are voters like, for example, 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.080 I think about Mississippi, Right, that's a state where there 0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:22.520 should be way more representation of people of color than 0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:25.319 there is in the voting. So, I mean, do you 0:35:25.440 --> 0:35:29.560 think there's more of an opportunity to legislate sort of 0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:31.560 more protection for voters there. 0:35:31.920 --> 0:35:34.839 Well, there have been efforts to legislate more protection, but 0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.640 it's been turned down by the Supreme Court. As you know, 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.640 the Supreme Court did some things that many people think 0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:42.919 were not helpful in the enforcement of the Voting Rights 0:35:42.960 --> 0:35:45.319 Acts of nineteen sixty five, and that's the law of 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:48.360 the land now. Those faults to go around. But generally 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.160 people are not voting in the numbers you would want 0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:53.680 them to vote. In other Western democracies, you have a 0:35:53.760 --> 0:35:56.400 much higher percentage in almost every Western democracy than the 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:57.840 United States of people voting. 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:01.440 I think of you as someone who's studied government a 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:03.840 lot and talk to people. Right now, we have a 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.000 Supreme Court. It's very uneven right at six ' three. 0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.320 There are two justices. 0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.440 One was sworn in was sort of Obama was denied 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:16.799 a justice by Mitch McConnell. He was sworn in right 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.719 after the Trump election, and the other was sworn in 0:36:19.760 --> 0:36:22.200 as people were voting for Biden. Do you think there's 0:36:22.239 --> 0:36:24.640 a fix for the court, and if so, what do 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.799 you think would be the least disruptive. 0:36:27.560 --> 0:36:30.319 I think any change at this point is not likely 0:36:30.400 --> 0:36:32.680 to occur. I just don't think Congress is going to 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:35.520 adopt any changes to the court. I think it's just 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:39.520 not realistic. In my judgment. President Biden has made some suggestions. 0:36:39.640 --> 0:36:41.879 One of them is that after you've served I think 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:45.000 twenty years, you would no longer be eligible to serve 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:48.279 on the court. Some people to suggest age limits. It's 0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:50.799 two partisan now, and I just don't think that the 0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.600 people who are happy with the Supreme Court are going 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.520 to support any changes in the foreseeable future. So if 0:36:56.520 --> 0:36:59.760 you're a prominent Republican and you're happy with a Supreme Court, 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:01.600 you're not going to spport a shade is because right 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.480 now the court's doing what you are happy. 0:37:03.239 --> 0:37:07.640 With, right. Can we talk about Chevron? Sure, So, Chevron is. 0:37:07.560 --> 0:37:11.200 This decision that tried to sort of take expertise out 0:37:11.200 --> 0:37:14.080 of the federal government right to make it so that 0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:18.320 experts weren't deciding the laws, that the judiciary could have 0:37:18.440 --> 0:37:20.759 more power. That's a start of contrast to how it 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:23.480 was in the seventies and eighties. Can you explain to 0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.120 us sort of the flip and sort of what you 0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.160 think the future is with that. 0:37:28.600 --> 0:37:31.280 Well, what you're referring to is there was a doctrine 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:34.839 that the Supreme Court had previously issued which said that 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:38.239 in deciding how to administer the laws, there should be 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:42.680 great deference to the federal administrators, the government agencies that 0:37:42.719 --> 0:37:46.040 presumably have the expertise. The Supreme Court more recently has 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.440 said no, that difference this shouldn't be given because you 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.640 really need to give the difference to members of Congress. 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:54.080 They were elected. And so that tends to make it 0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.080 a little bit more political in the sense that if 0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:59.000 you're deferring to members of Congress about what is appropriate 0:37:59.080 --> 0:38:01.160 or not, and not deferring to the federal agencies, which 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:04.600 are presumably civil service kinds of operations. Then you are 0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.160 changing the outcome of administrative decisions. In other words, if 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:11.520 Republicans have the White House, Republicans have the Congress, they're 0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.680 going to have different views, it's thought, than the civil servants, 0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.560 whom many believe are more democratic in their orientation. So 0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.200 it's a big, big swing in terms of how the 0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.480 outcome of regulations and laws are going to be interpreted. 0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:26.080 What do you think about that. 0:38:26.520 --> 0:38:29.240 Well, it's a complicated issue. I'm not sure I'm expert 0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.680 enough to comment on it intelligently, but I think it's 0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.960 clearly the case that we were politicizing administrative decisions in 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.720 some ways, and it really depends on who's in power 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.640 to figure out whether you're going to do certain things 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.560 or not. I think the federal government is a really 0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.879 complicated thing to run, and it's not easily run by 0:38:47.200 --> 0:38:49.359 in my view, some of the decisions that have been 0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:53.239 made by legislators and others in recent years. But more 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.760 complicated than just I can talk about right now. 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.480 Right when you are sort of looking back on the 0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.480 kind of presidents, who do you think is this sort 0:39:02.520 --> 0:39:05.080 of deeply underrated president. 0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:08.400 Well, okay, Harry Truman was underrated and he left office 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:10.759 very unpopular, and now he's seen as having been a 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.680 pretty good president. My forward boss, Jimmy Carter left office 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:16.320 under a crushing defeat by Ronald Reagan, and now people 0:39:16.640 --> 0:39:18.520 recognize that some of the things he did, like the 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:21.640 Camp David Accords, the promoting of human rights to creating 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.800 the Department of Energy, Department of Education, civil Service reform, 0:39:24.840 --> 0:39:27.600 Panama Canal Treaty were pretty good things to do. And 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.520 Carter's ex presidency has also made him fairly popular. As 0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:32.880 we approach his one hundredth birthday, I think people are 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.319 reassessing Jimmy Carter, so some presidents become less popular. Woo 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.359 Joe Wilson was seen as a pretty great president at 0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.560 the time that he was president and rafree left. But 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:42.600 now we know that he had his wife really running 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.719 the country for eighteen months because he had a stroke 0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:48.760 that incapacitated him. And he also resegregated the federal workforce, 0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.960 and we recognize now that he had some racist instincts 0:39:52.000 --> 0:39:54.239 that were not good. You know, his reputation's going down. 0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:57.080 Andrew Jackson's reputation is going down. He's now seen as 0:39:57.120 --> 0:39:59.319 not a great leader of the Democratic Party, but a 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.319 man who was a race and that person who really 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.360 tried to kill a lot of Native Americans. 0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:05.640 Yeah, what do you think is sort of the most 0:40:05.680 --> 0:40:07.880 important trait that a president should have. 0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.360 Worrying about the country more than his or her own 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:15.120 personal well being, Having the ability to articulate what he 0:40:15.239 --> 0:40:18.759 or she believes in an effective way. Being honest is 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:22.040 a good thing as well. I would say humility is 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.520 also a virtue that I think Lincoln had and I 0:40:25.560 --> 0:40:27.719 think other great presidents have had, and I think that's 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.040 something we should look at as well. But also a 0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:33.360 person who really focuses on what is best for the 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:37.239 country as opposed to what's best for me politically or personally. 0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.520 Just making sure you've got somebody that really is focused 0:40:39.600 --> 0:40:40.200 on the country. 0:40:40.480 --> 0:40:43.920 Yeah, that's been a really I think useful message in 0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:49.160 the Harris campaign is to talk about how self centered 0:40:49.360 --> 0:40:49.960 Trump is. 0:40:50.400 --> 0:40:53.120 Now. The Harris campaign is trying to do something it's 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.480 very difficult, which is to go for a running start. 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.920 Just a few months before the election, you know, it 0:40:57.960 --> 0:40:59.960 was generally thought that Joe Biden would be the nominee, 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:01.879 and then all of a sudden She's asked to put 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.520 together a national campaign in a few weeks, which is 0:41:04.680 --> 0:41:06.840 very hard to do. So it's not an easy task 0:41:06.920 --> 0:41:09.560 to undertake. And I you know, now, the polling data 0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.040 is very close, and all the political experts that I 0:41:12.080 --> 0:41:14.480 talk to tell me they can't tell me who's got 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:16.960 to be the next president United States. They also tell 0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:18.759 me that it's not likely we'll know on Tuesday night 0:41:18.760 --> 0:41:21.560 of the election day because absentee ballots doesn't really start 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.160 sometimes until the next day after the election. So we 0:41:24.200 --> 0:41:26.080 could be not knowing who the president is or who 0:41:26.080 --> 0:41:28.239 controls Congress for a week or two or three or 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:28.960 even longer. 0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.879 What do you think Harris could be doing that would 0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:33.759 be useful? That she's not doing. 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.040 Well, There is a general view that if she gave 0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.759 more interviews it would be good by some people. Remember, though, 0:41:39.960 --> 0:41:41.839 the people that want interviews to most are the people 0:41:41.880 --> 0:41:44.960 in the press, right. You know, people aren't marching on 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.759 Washington d C. I'm sitting on Pennsylvania Avenue as we talk. 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:50.880 Nobody's marching down Pennsylvania Avenue is saying we want more 0:41:50.960 --> 0:41:54.879 Kamala Harris interviews. And that's not a marching kind of issue. So, yeah, 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:56.600 I think it would be not a terrible thing to 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:58.600 give more interviews, but I think she's doing more now. 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.359 In that regard, the most important thing we should do 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:05.200 is try to make sure that everybody votes, people get informed. 0:42:05.239 --> 0:42:07.440 I think in her case, being more public about her 0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:09.480 positions will probably help her with the Business Committee. The 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.880 Business Committee is more worried about her than maybe they 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.120 should be. I think a Donald Trump's case, I think 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.440 he's got to be more forthcoming about what he plans 0:42:16.480 --> 0:42:18.680 to do as president, because he said he doesn't support 0:42:18.840 --> 0:42:21.560 the twenty twenty five program that the Heritage Foundation came 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:23.960 up with. But if he doesn't support that, then he 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.319 should be more forthcoming about what he would like to do. 0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.960 Thank you so much, David, all right. 0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:29.680 Thank you very much. 0:42:29.680 --> 0:42:30.399 I appreciate it. 0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:34.640 No moments. 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:40.600 Jesse Cannon, Malli Jung Fast, I gotta tell you, I'm heartbroken. 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:42.839 I believe to Elon Musk that he was a free 0:42:42.880 --> 0:42:46.239 speech absolutist because when he says something, he's always taught 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.960 the truth that he never contradicts it. But I saw 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:54.040 that after ken Klippenstein posts JD. Vantz's Apple research file, 0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:55.080 he banned him. 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:58.840 Ken Klippenstein is an independent journalized finally out of the 0:42:58.960 --> 0:43:02.600 annoyance of the fact that no one in the mainstream 0:43:02.640 --> 0:43:06.880 media was publishing this hacked material. It was Jadie Vance's 0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.600 oppo file. There's other stuff that leaked and nobody was 0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:13.240 publishing it. Because now people have decided not to publish 0:43:13.239 --> 0:43:16.960 hacked material. I think the Clinton campaign from twenty sixteen 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.240 with like a word, but what's interesting? 0:43:19.280 --> 0:43:22.160 I think about this story two things. 0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:26.839 One is Clippenstein then gets banned or gets suspended from 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:30.360 X because Elon must doesn't really care about free speech. 0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:35.160 He really just cares about helping his people, right elevating Trump. 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:36.240 And then the other. 0:43:36.120 --> 0:43:38.680 Thing, which I think is sort of interesting about it, 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:40.520 is there's just not a lot of new. 0:43:40.400 --> 0:43:42.840 Stuff in the oppo file. It's a lot of stuff 0:43:42.840 --> 0:43:43.319 we've seen. 0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:45.480 So that makes a little more sense as to why 0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:47.680 they're not publishing it is that it's just not so 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:51.440 interesting anyway. It's still very annoying to those of us 0:43:51.480 --> 0:43:54.279 who lived through twenty sixteen. And we'll see if Ken 0:43:54.320 --> 0:43:56.040 gets taken back on X. 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.080 It's mostly just not interesting because it seems the Harris 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:01.719 team did such a job finding most of the stuff, 0:44:01.760 --> 0:44:03.360 and they've outed most of it already. 0:44:03.640 --> 0:44:03.879 Yeah. 0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:06.160 I mean I also just think, like with all of 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:10.160 this stuff, like with the Mark Robinson stuff in North Carolina, 0:44:10.239 --> 0:44:12.160 it's all stuff we kind of thought. 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:13.880 It's just a little worse. 0:44:14.200 --> 0:44:16.680 Pats the picture a little bit brighter of all the 0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:18.040 bad things he says about women. 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:20.040 It's not a surprise to anyone paying attention. 0:44:20.320 --> 0:44:23.680 Well, I'm sure it's a big surprise to all the 0:44:23.719 --> 0:44:27.920 people who whined about Hunter Biden's laptop being sensorted on Twitter. 0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:29.000 I don't think they care. 0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:33.759 That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. 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