Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,
Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of
Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump bizarrely claimed that migrants
Speaker 1: have a phone app that connects them directly to Kamala
Speaker 1: Harris during a speech at Trump Tower on Thursday. I
Speaker 1: am without words. We have such a great show for
Speaker 1: you today the Bulwarks. Tim Miller stops by to talk
Speaker 1: the state of the presidential race. First we'll talk to
Speaker 1: Carlisle Group co founder David Rubinstein about what he's seeing
Speaker 1: in the political landscape.
Speaker 2: But first the news.
Speaker 3: So, Mallie, I really feel like the Springfield, Ohio people
Speaker 3: have been through enough. It really if this news cycle
Speaker 3: could just go away, I'm sure everyone would be happier,
Speaker 3: But unfortunately politicians have the politics.
Speaker 4: So what do you see? Hear?
Speaker 1: Trump has said he will go to Springfield and the
Speaker 1: famous two weeks. That could be two weeks, that could
Speaker 1: be two years, that could be never, because weeks is
Speaker 1: an amount of time that can sometimes never happen in
Speaker 1: Donald Trump world.
Speaker 4: It's the infrastructure week of this cycle, right.
Speaker 1: But the Springfield mayor rejected a call with Jade Vance
Speaker 1: and said, in fact, the safety of our residence is
Speaker 1: a responsibility we should take seriously. It should not be politicized.
Speaker 1: Springfield's mayor wrote to Vance, you know, there's a school
Speaker 1: of thought that Harris should go and be there and
Speaker 1: talk about Trump's rhetoric towards Haitian immigrants and how Unamerican
Speaker 1: it is. I'm not sure that it is the best
Speaker 1: use of her pulpit, but maybe it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Trump shouldn't go. Do you remember in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: when Trump would go somewhere and then they'd have elevated
Speaker 1: kind of hate crimes in the area afterwards.
Speaker 4: I do, I do. It's almost like his rhetoric emboldens people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hope that he doesn't go to Springfield.
Speaker 1: I hope that Harris does meet this head on. But it's,
Speaker 1: you know, a complete fiasco create by JD. Vance and
Speaker 1: based on almost just nothing.
Speaker 3: And this mayor has been doing tons of press hits
Speaker 3: basically trying to calm this down and do the right thing.
Speaker 3: And he is a Republican mayor.
Speaker 1: Right and also the governor of the state. Mike DeWine
Speaker 1: has also said that this is just super unhelpful.
Speaker 3: Billy shifted gears. We talked about ethics and politics. This
Speaker 3: was a bad week for it being a good connotation
Speaker 3: of the two words together.
Speaker 1: It was not a good week for ethics in the
Speaker 1: American political system. On the left, we had and I'm
Speaker 1: not even tre he's a Democrat, but we had our
Speaker 1: Mayor Eric adams Man who bought the cop robot. That guy,
Speaker 1: I think he got arranged today facing numerous.
Speaker 3: Counts bribery, being non registered for it aged to doing business.
Speaker 1: And getting a lot of a lot of free trips
Speaker 1: on Turkish air.
Speaker 2: In fact, first stop is always it's Stumbo anyway.
Speaker 1: So but that was not all when it came to
Speaker 1: Dicey ethics. But I do want to just mention the
Speaker 1: Democrat because we are nothing if not nonpartisan, and if
Speaker 1: Republicans ever got normal again, we might be nice to them.
Speaker 1: On Thursday, Representative Matt Gates, you'll remember him from being
Speaker 1: just a complete lunatic and also having had too much
Speaker 1: botox in his forehead so it made his.
Speaker 4: Eyes were That's something I will never forget personally.
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with botox, but you just have to
Speaker 1: be a little careful. You always know things are going
Speaker 1: great when you publicly deny you had sex with a
Speaker 1: woman under eighteen. Always Good made a vague comment about
Speaker 1: drug use and warned that he may not cooperate with
Speaker 1: a subpoena from the House Ethics Committee. Real talk, Jesse Cannon.
Speaker 1: The House Ethics Committee could not be more toothless discuss.
Speaker 3: It is basically a ninety year old person with deadsures
Speaker 3: the way that it has teeth.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it has literally no teeth. They have like
Speaker 1: almost never found anyone. The House Ethics Committee is like
Speaker 1: when the library gives you a fine. Okay, it's like
Speaker 1: when you don't do your jury summons. But he's still
Speaker 1: worried and he still may not participate. Earlier in the week,
Speaker 1: The New York Times broke a story that freshman congressman
Speaker 1: this is one of these congressional seats that Biden won.
Speaker 1: It's Long Island Anthony d Esposito. You may remember him.
Speaker 1: He employed both his mistress and his fiance's daughter on
Speaker 1: his congressional payroll.
Speaker 2: Because why not.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would think you might be slightly worried
Speaker 1: about them meeting each other.
Speaker 2: But again, we still have Santos.
Speaker 1: Pleading guilty to wire fraud and then on the Democratic
Speaker 1: side because the stupid and criminal is not a partisan activity.
Speaker 1: Bob Menendez with the gold bars, everybody knows that story.
Speaker 1: Henry Qular was indicted in May for money laundering conspiracy
Speaker 1: Briber because of course business interests in Mexico and auberation
Speaker 1: by Jean and then of course Hunter Biden and the
Speaker 1: FBI has seized Representative Andy Ogle's cell phone in August. Again,
Speaker 1: we don't know what the TLDR on that is, though
Speaker 1: he has been accused of filing falls campaign reports. Scott
Speaker 1: Perry has his own legal fight with the Justice Department
Speaker 1: after his phone was seized in part of the January
Speaker 1: sixth committee. And so there you go. It just is
Speaker 1: an absolute congressional ethics shit show in Congress.
Speaker 3: Turning to a place I really did not think we'd
Speaker 3: ever discussed, because I remember when we used to see
Speaker 3: Nebraska's one electoral vote in its second district, we'd always
Speaker 3: laugh and go, why the hell will they do that?
Speaker 3: That's become quite a political hubbed lately. Molly, what do
Speaker 3: you see there?
Speaker 2: So Republicans are desperate?
Speaker 1: I think actually the best explanation of it comes from
Speaker 1: Dave Weigel, friend of the Pod semaphore our political journalist.
Speaker 1: This guy goes everywhere, he said, and I think this
Speaker 1: is really the right take, making multiple loud plays for
Speaker 1: Omaha's electoral vote. You'll remember the Republicans wanted to switch
Speaker 1: it to a winner take all state, getting Representative Don
Speaker 1: Bacon on the record saying that he wanted to switch
Speaker 1: it to winner take all and that not doing it
Speaker 1: is obviously the worst ending here for ours. And a
Speaker 1: new poll shows that Harris is up eleven in Nebraska's
Speaker 1: second district. You'll remember Biden won it by six or
Speaker 1: seven and twenty twenty. This is a really good example
Speaker 1: of people don't like it when you take away their stuff,
Speaker 1: and in this case it's the electoral vote. With Nebraska second,
Speaker 1: Harris would only need Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin to get to
Speaker 1: two seventy. Again, this is this whole. As you know,
Speaker 1: we're thirty eight days till the election. We're just sort
Speaker 1: of cruising and hoping that, you know, she can win Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: but this would make it so she wouldn't have to necessarily.
Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. But it continues on Somali.
Speaker 3: We've found out that Respucinar, as you like to call
Speaker 3: them resputant. The polling firm that always seems to put
Speaker 3: a Republican up very high compared to the rest might
Speaker 3: be doing some nefarious dealings. Would you see here?
Speaker 1: So this is an incredible story file under stuff you
Speaker 1: suspected and thought was probably right. This is a polling company,
Speaker 1: and American muckrakers have discovered that they post these emails
Speaker 1: detailing how the conservative leaning pollsters have been sharing polls
Speaker 1: with Trump advisors and campaign officials. Basically, this is Pulse's propaganda. Right,
Speaker 1: Trump is doing better in these polls. It makes Trump
Speaker 1: feel better, it makes everyone feel better. It's like internal polling.
Speaker 1: It has different uses, many of which are nefarious. I'm
Speaker 1: not so shocked to see it, because anyone who's been
Speaker 1: paying attention knows their numbers are way out of whack.
Speaker 1: But it's a good reminder that if you think something
Speaker 1: nefarious is happenings.
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Speaker 5: I'm just so excited to be here. I'm trying to think,
Speaker 5: is it a non Bulwark edition? Have I ever been
Speaker 5: on any other show more? I don't know. I guess
Speaker 5: you and the podbros. Probably it's a competition. I think
Speaker 5: you might have them be.
Speaker 1: I like you a lot, and I think that you're
Speaker 1: really smart and also hilarious.
Speaker 5: Than can' I'm getting uncomfortable though.
Speaker 2: That's good. You're terrible and you're easy to get, all right.
Speaker 5: That's my wheelhouse. Yeah, let's ship talk me a little bit.
Speaker 5: That's that's why I like it.
Speaker 1: But I do think you're doing a really good job
Speaker 1: to engaging with whatever is out there.
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: Every day in this endless election cycle, some days I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is going to be fine, American democracy is going
Speaker 1: to continue. Why are we all so upset? And some
Speaker 1: days I'm like, where am I going to move?
Speaker 5: We should be upset. I'm riled myself up this morning.
Speaker 5: So you've picked a good time to ask me this.
Speaker 5: Oh good, And that is because this is a really
Speaker 5: cool election. Like I'd rather become mold than Trump. Sure,
Speaker 5: and if this was a situation where it's like, you know,
Speaker 5: my basketball team is like the Nuggets are playing against
Speaker 5: the Mavericks, and I'd rather be the Nuggets. Like that'd
Speaker 5: be great, I'd have I'd be confident, I'd be going
Speaker 5: into the game. I want to have a beer. I
Speaker 5: want to watch it. But like the country is on
Speaker 5: the line, like I'd rather become mold than Trump slightly
Speaker 5: is like not good.
Speaker 4: Enough for me.
Speaker 5: It should be more, should be clearer. And I'm very
Speaker 5: frustrated that I feel like there's a lack of urgency
Speaker 5: not among the Harris campaign. I think they're doing a
Speaker 5: good job. I could see a little bit more from them,
Speaker 5: just as far as visibility, but like directionally they're doing
Speaker 5: a good job. But like the other people out there,
Speaker 5: why are Mark Cuban and Sarah Longwell and Mollie jong
Speaker 5: Fast the only people that I see doing interviews. I
Speaker 5: do just feel like that this moment, when somebody is running,
Speaker 5: who has already attempted an insurrection, who already spurred a
Speaker 5: mob at the Capitol, calls for people to step up
Speaker 5: and speak out, and I think that there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people that are not stepping up and I think
Speaker 5: it's because there's maybe just a little bit of false
Speaker 5: confidence about Kamala. Confidence is good, but I don't like overconfidence.
Speaker 2: I was texting with Mark.
Speaker 1: I had always thought Mark was the best possible surrogate
Speaker 1: for Harris World, because Trump has this thing where he's
Speaker 1: like businessman, billionaire, alpha alpha, And what we talk about
Speaker 1: a lot, and I think this is largely true, is
Speaker 1: that Harris wins with women and she's lagging with this
Speaker 1: sort of alpha man man, masculine man, man rip your
Speaker 1: shirt off.
Speaker 2: Crew, you know.
Speaker 1: And so what I think is great about Mark is
Speaker 1: that he really makes the case that she's actually better
Speaker 1: on the economy, which we all well, no, but he
Speaker 1: was saying, I said, you know, I was really glad
Speaker 1: you went on that Fox hit was really really smart, right,
Speaker 1: He just like took a case by case.
Speaker 2: And then he was on CNBC the next day.
Speaker 1: But he said he saw the Fox guy he's on
Speaker 1: Yo Kovudo's team setting up, and he went over there
Speaker 1: and was like, do you want to have me on?
Speaker 2: And they were like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he went on THEO Vaughn's podcast, which is
Speaker 5: like a very bro we kind of Trump friendly podcast,
Speaker 5: like not political, and I thought they had a very
Speaker 5: casual conversation. We need that out there and.
Speaker 4: Pete and repeat the other day.
Speaker 5: He's great, Pete goes everywhere, but as a gay me
Speaker 5: and Pete like, are we the best people for this option?
Speaker 5: I mean, like I also like to rip my shirt
Speaker 5: off at the bar, but it's kind of a different
Speaker 5: scene than the kind of shirt ripping off that Hull
Speaker 5: Cogan is doing. And so getting more guys out there
Speaker 5: to do this, I think he's important. So I'm glad
Speaker 5: Mark even's doing it. Though My point is just like.
Speaker 2: He shouldn't be alone right now.
Speaker 5: You know, there are a lot of business guys out there.
Speaker 5: There a lot of sports figures. I talk obsessively about
Speaker 5: all the never trial. You know, there's in the myths,
Speaker 5: and we should mentioned Liz. Liz is out.
Speaker 2: There, change, Liz is out there.
Speaker 5: It's just like, why can we name all the people
Speaker 5: that are out there? Shun't shouldn't be an overwhelming, you know,
Speaker 5: sort of force speaking out And that's the thing that
Speaker 5: concerns me.
Speaker 1: No, I think that's a really good point. And Liz
Speaker 1: is out there, and Dick has endorsed too. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's a question. Look, Those people are not
Speaker 1: out there to convince liberals to vote for Harris. They're
Speaker 1: out there to provide the permission structure and break through
Speaker 1: the mainstream media and me make the case to low
Speaker 1: information voters that this is the most important election of
Speaker 1: all of our lives.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there are many different groups, right, I mean,
Speaker 5: like we obviously at the bullwork, like we talked mostly
Speaker 5: about these sort of middle high income, college educated suburban men,
Speaker 5: mostly because their wives already voting for Kamala, and how
Speaker 5: to nudge them. That's an important group. There was a
Speaker 5: moment right when the campaign, right when the switch happened,
Speaker 5: right where Charlie tweets Kamala's brat and Beyonce is out
Speaker 5: there and Megan the Statability did that recently. That was
Speaker 5: really good. That's great. I like that that's happening. But again,
Speaker 5: I just I want to be insatiable because everything matters here.
Speaker 5: And I think that the celebrity types kind of reaching
Speaker 5: out to younger people, getting them out is important. Like
Speaker 5: there are a few different areas. Another group that I'm
Speaker 5: obsessed with that I don't think that gets enough attention
Speaker 5: is non college white women and trying to have people
Speaker 5: talk to them like rural women about about dobbs being
Speaker 5: post doobs and being like, you know, just because your
Speaker 5: husbands for Trump or your ex husband's for Trump, doesn't
Speaker 5: mean you have to be. And so I think that's
Speaker 5: the key. So anyway, all this stuff, all this stuff
Speaker 5: is going to matter on the margins because unfortunately, this
Speaker 5: thing is is is going to be close, and it's
Speaker 5: too close. It's too close for comfort.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: And I mean you saw those little nodes that women
Speaker 1: are leaving each other in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Nobody knows, needs to know your vote.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: Again, that's smart, right, I mean those are the things
Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton world did not do because there was
Speaker 1: this belief, this inherent belief that Trump was so ridiculous
Speaker 1: that no one would ever elect impress.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a real problem. It's funny, there's some
Speaker 5: of the listeners on this show feel this way. Sometimes
Speaker 5: I get frustrated with my new progressive and liberal allies
Speaker 5: because they'll be like kam was definitely gonna win. Stop
Speaker 5: down talking her, or like stop talking about this polls
Speaker 5: like it's great, everything's great. We need to be hoping.
Speaker 5: I'll hope him. Hey, look, if you want positivity in
Speaker 5: your life, I'm for it. You know, whatever keeps you going.
Speaker 5: I'm not judging, but just as a strategic political matter,
Speaker 5: you cannot object to the fact that Hillary was harmed
Speaker 5: by the perception that she was clearly going to win
Speaker 5: because there were people that did not vote for her
Speaker 5: that would have voted for her. I just interviewed one.
Speaker 5: Michael medved a conservative talk radio host basically the only
Speaker 5: national one who kept his integrity during the Trump era,
Speaker 5: lost his show, got replaced by Seb Gorka. That tells
Speaker 5: you everything about the devolution of the Republican Party that
Speaker 5: this guy, the smart, thoughtful, very you know, steeped in history.
Speaker 5: Conservative radio host got replaced by Seb Gorka. So anyway,
Speaker 5: but he was like his vote general mantics who lived
Speaker 5: in Seattle, but he's represented other people, you know where
Speaker 5: He's like, I didn't vote for Hillary because I didn't
Speaker 5: think if I thought that Trump could win, I would
Speaker 5: voted for Hillary. And there were people out there like that.
Speaker 5: And there were people who didn't show up because they
Speaker 5: didn't think that they didn't think it mattered. Who are liberals?
Speaker 5: And there are people who wrote in Jill Stein on
Speaker 5: the other side of the you know, ideological spectrum. So
Speaker 5: I don't like that, and I like the Harris campaign
Speaker 5: has not fallen into that trap at all, by the way,
Speaker 5: which Cherry had been consistent on, we're running like we're behind,
Speaker 5: and that's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that's a really good point. And
Speaker 1: I think the sort of the ridiculousness of Trump and
Speaker 1: trump Ism really did help him both win, and the
Speaker 1: fact that he seemed to like completely unelectable did actually
Speaker 1: help him win. You had an amazing moment during the
Speaker 1: debate where you were talking in the spin room.
Speaker 2: Can you talk about that.
Speaker 5: I was having so much fun, Molly.
Speaker 2: You seem like you were having a.
Speaker 5: The time of my life in that spin room, because
Speaker 5: as much as happy as Democrats were about calm was
Speaker 5: a big night around the spinner room. And they're surrogates
Speaker 5: and they all seemed happy, none of them seemed as
Speaker 5: happy as me. And you know why. You know why,
Speaker 5: It's because they don't know these assholes like I do.
Speaker 5: And so I got to have the added joy of
Speaker 5: really appreciating their suffering in a way that the Democrats
Speaker 5: kind of do. Right, Like You're like, I don't like
Speaker 5: Corey Lewandowski in a distant way, and he deserves some suffering.
Speaker 5: But like I know him. I've been in meetings with him.
Speaker 5: I know I got hit checked by him. Like I
Speaker 5: know these people. If I don't know them, I know
Speaker 5: their type. I got to go to the Spin Room
Speaker 5: with its one guy, David Bossi, who one time made
Speaker 5: an anti gay joke in a meeting I was in,
Speaker 5: not knowing I was gay, And so, you know, it
Speaker 5: just kind of gives you just a little insight into
Speaker 5: his morality and the type of person that he is.
Speaker 5: I had the biggest shitting and grin on my face
Speaker 5: when I went up to him, and I like, David
Speaker 5: got some questions for you about the debate. I wonder
Speaker 5: now when Sony. That was fun. And then I and
Speaker 5: then me and Lindsay Graham got into a very heated dispute.
Speaker 5: Me and Lindsay new know each other quite well, and
Speaker 5: I was just I was teasing him and trying to
Speaker 5: be like, hey, this is your moment, go back to
Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, Lindsay, never Trump. Lindsay, this is your moment.
Speaker 5: Get off the ship. The water's warm, we'll welcome you.
Speaker 5: And he did not like that, and instead of going
Speaker 5: along with the joking, he shouted at me and told
Speaker 5: me I should be ashamed of myself, what for supporting
Speaker 5: Kamala because of the conservative policies that are being I
Speaker 5: don't know, it's the kind of shit you need to
Speaker 5: convince yourself to sleep at night that like you're the
Speaker 5: righteous one. And then I told him no, he should
Speaker 5: be ashamed of himself. And then we yelled back and
Speaker 5: forth for a while because he's a politician. At the
Speaker 5: very end of the fight, he tried to make up
Speaker 5: with me. And when he tried to make up with me,
Speaker 5: I was like, okay, but you can admit that, like
Speaker 5: the debate prep team was really bad, right, And he
Speaker 5: was like, oh yeah, the debate prep team should totally
Speaker 5: be fired and Mack's UNTILSI are awful. And I was like, thanks,
Speaker 5: Lindsay immediately tweeting this. I'm tweeting this. Then he like
Speaker 5: an hour later had like post a damage control Instagram post.
Speaker 5: So it's like, mister Trump did a great job. Like
Speaker 5: don't listen to it. The people at the fake news
Speaker 5: is it saying? So it was fun agreed time. I'm
Speaker 5: sad that it seems like Trump doesn't want a debate again,
Speaker 5: because I was looking forward to doing it all over again.
Speaker 5: I wanted an encore.
Speaker 1: One of the sort of unspoken stories of this cycle,
Speaker 1: I think is the complete train Wreckerry in Congress. You know,
Speaker 1: they've done nothing. One of the things I love about
Speaker 1: Mike Johnson is how bad he is at this job.
Speaker 1: So he was going to do all these messaging bills
Speaker 1: and he was going to be it was going to
Speaker 1: be Woke Week. By the way, the one time I
Speaker 1: heard about Woke Week, I think was reading Punchball, like
Speaker 1: a week before, and then you never heard about it again.
Speaker 2: But they voted on messaging bills, they.
Speaker 1: Voted on washing machines, and then he was unable to
Speaker 1: do this Citizen Voting Act, which was just psychodrama and
Speaker 1: the hopes of making it you know whatever.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a Congress as badly roun And
Speaker 1: this is two part question, what is going to happen
Speaker 1: to Matt Gates?
Speaker 5: Dying to know what would have happened on woke Week?
Speaker 5: You know, good Robin DeAngelo in there. I don't know,
Speaker 5: It's like, low, what are you gonna do? What was
Speaker 5: the point was the idea I have seen a Congress
Speaker 5: is badly run. Actually, Kevin McCarthy's Congress, the exact previous
Speaker 5: one to this one before that had been a while.
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson at least did the Ukraine deal, so they
Speaker 5: did that, But we are steering down the barrel. Can
Speaker 5: I just say, like, even if Kamala wins, I'm sure
Speaker 5: a lot of people will want to kind of take
Speaker 5: a deep breath and check out, and.
Speaker 4: I'll respect that.
Speaker 5: But like the Christmas deadline that he's now set up,
Speaker 5: like the government is going to run out of money Christmas,
Speaker 5: then you'd have January sixth, two point zero, and you
Speaker 5: know Mike Johnson potentially needing votes again to be the speaker,
Speaker 5: and so like all the crazies will be able to
Speaker 5: hold him hostage. Like the end of this year into
Speaker 5: January in the House is going to be insane, and
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is not up for the challenge at all.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's going to happen to mac Gates.
Speaker 5: The mac Gates Kevin McCarthy thing is like such an
Speaker 5: Iran Iraq war situation.
Speaker 2: True, there's no one.
Speaker 5: So everyone saw I find myself Matt Gates nailed Kevin
Speaker 5: McCarthy there and then I'm like, that was a good one, Matt,
Speaker 5: And I'm like, no, bad tim. Don't think about that.
Speaker 5: So I really, honestly, I just have closely to know.
Speaker 1: But there's an ethics investigation into Matt Gates, which he's
Speaker 1: like so freaked out about, and I'm like, it's an
Speaker 1: ethics investigation in Congress.
Speaker 2: They're not going to find anything. They never find anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been subpoenat, I guess by his colleagues.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going to be ugly. The House Republican situation
Speaker 5: is going to be ugly. I mean they're in some ways.
Speaker 5: Mike Johnson honestly is just begging for the Democrats to
Speaker 5: win so he can be a minority leader because minority
Speaker 5: leader is an easy job. Speaker is a hard job.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The Republicans in Long Island, d Esposito, who recently put
Speaker 1: his mistress on his payroll in his district office. You
Speaker 1: have ds Posito, you have Santos Lolda. That is a
Speaker 1: real rogue rogues gallery.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 5: And even the supposed good one, Mike Lawler, is like
Speaker 5: he does ever do anything good? You know, he just
Speaker 5: doesn't do the bad stuff. He just doesn't do any
Speaker 5: of Like the cre just doesn't go along with the
Speaker 5: craziest stuff. Like he's not out there being like Haitians
Speaker 5: eat animals, but like he doesn't actually do anything to
Speaker 5: separate himself in a meaningful way from the Maga Republicans,
Speaker 5: and Monde's running against him. So no, the New York
Speaker 5: is I think the other thing, and this is you know,
Speaker 5: more in your wheelhouse, Molly. But like I think a
Speaker 5: big advantage for the Democrats in the House this year
Speaker 5: is a lot of these Republican gains in the House
Speaker 5: were in blue states, I think because abortion was a
Speaker 5: lower salience issue, you know, because like if I live
Speaker 5: on Long Island, I think, I think overturn of Row
Speaker 5: is bad, but like I live in Long Island, like
Speaker 5: abortions legal here, it's not. I don't have to worry
Speaker 5: about my daughter or my niece or whatever. And now
Speaker 5: with like the prospect of Donald Trump and Mike Johnson,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of running the show, it's a higher
Speaker 5: salience issue for everybody, no matter where you live. And
Speaker 5: I think that's great problems for those guys in addition
Speaker 5: to them just being like a total clown car of buffoonery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think so too.
Speaker 1: Again, Like, this is the thing with all of these poles, right,
Speaker 1: if she's overperforming by these numbers, there's the thinking is
Speaker 1: that she'll flip a bunch of congressional seats, especially seeds
Speaker 1: where Biden won. My general anxiety with all these poles,
Speaker 1: besides the fact is that they're wildly inaccurate, though they
Speaker 1: are showing a good trajectory for her, is my anxiety
Speaker 1: is there are so many of these poles where the
Speaker 1: bottom of the ticket, you know that you've got to
Speaker 1: send a candidate winning by ten points, and then you
Speaker 1: have them dead even at the top of the ticket,
Speaker 1: and that math doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5: The math really doesn't make sense in Arizona. I like
Speaker 5: the math and a lot of the other states besides
Speaker 5: the Mountain West, because what you see really is Casey
Speaker 5: and Pennsylvania Baldwin like running ahead of Kamala, and the
Speaker 5: margin like on the ballot, they're pretty similar, and you
Speaker 5: kind of you know, there's just some undecided and so
Speaker 5: you kind of think that they will probably end up
Speaker 5: converging in those blue wall states in a way that
Speaker 5: is beneficial for the Democrats. I got to tell you,
Speaker 5: I'm just at a loss about what's happening in Arizona
Speaker 5: and Nevada. And you know, Jackie Rosen and Diego winning
Speaker 5: by a million points and Kamala and Trumping tied. And
Speaker 5: I know Carrie Lake is horrible and Reuben's a good candidate,
Speaker 5: so I guess that kind of makes sense. But there's
Speaker 5: a seventeen point gap between Diego and Kama that does
Speaker 5: make many sense. And then in Nevada, I mean, Jackie
Speaker 5: Rosen is a good person, but it's not like she
Speaker 5: has this great brand or is like super famous or popular,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's not like, oh, I
Speaker 5: get it. Why would Jackie Rosen be running so far
Speaker 5: ahead of it. There's something funky in the numbers out there.
Speaker 5: And I don't know if they're struggling to pull Hispanics
Speaker 5: or waited. I know that Polsters have to have had
Speaker 5: trouble with Hispanics in the past because the Spanish speaking
Speaker 5: element and getting the right mix. I don't know, it's
Speaker 5: just a theory.
Speaker 2: It's possible.
Speaker 1: With the top of the ticket, what they're doing is
Speaker 1: they're addressing for this Trump electorate, right If that electorate
Speaker 1: comes out, they're going to leave the bottom of the
Speaker 1: ticket blank or they're going to vote for the Democrat.
Speaker 1: I just have trouble if you were a MAGA voter
Speaker 1: who the last time you voted was twenty sixteen, you're
Speaker 1: going to go out there and be like, I haven't
Speaker 1: voted in almost a decade, but I'm going to be
Speaker 1: a split ticket voter because I want a Democratic Congress
Speaker 1: to check my guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 5: The only thing that makes sense about why the gap
Speaker 5: is so big out there. But again, this is only
Speaker 5: like two points, it's not seventeen points, right, But like
Speaker 5: I do think conceivably that we've seen some slippage among
Speaker 5: Hispanic voters at the time, and so maybe that there's
Speaker 5: some Myspanic voters that look at Reuben Guago, they know him,
Speaker 5: he's been there, he's a Hispanic and like he cares
Speaker 5: at the border, and they've been Democrats. These Suspans have
Speaker 5: been Democrats. And like, for whatever reason, if talking about
Speaker 5: Hispanic men, YOUNGESTUK men were seeing that, like there's some
Speaker 5: Trump ap you like, I don't get it. I'm just
Speaker 5: saying I don't, but I don't understand why. But I
Speaker 5: recognize that there's some evidence that that's happening, so there
Speaker 5: could be some gap among Hispanic voters there who had
Speaker 5: been Democrats who are now kind of mega curious, but
Speaker 5: like still, that explains two points difference, not the fact
Speaker 5: that this literally this Fox poll had Ruben up by
Speaker 5: thirteen and Trump up by three. Like, that's not going
Speaker 5: to happen. There's going to be split ticket. There are
Speaker 5: some split ticket voters out there. People are weird, but
Speaker 5: not one in five voters are not going to split
Speaker 5: between Rubin and Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: Tim Miller, thank you so much for joining us, Molly,
Speaker 2: I love you.
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Speaker 1: David Rubinstein is the co founder of the Carlisle Group.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, David Rubinstein.
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, my pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2: You have been writing these history books.
Speaker 1: I mean they're not just history. There conversations with presidents.
Speaker 1: But just explain to us how you got into this.
Speaker 6: So I became the president of the Economic Club of
Speaker 6: Washington about fifteen years ago, and I was supposed to
Speaker 6: bring business people in to speak, but I found that
Speaker 6: business people were boring and putting people into sleep. So
Speaker 6: I decided I would change the format and I would
Speaker 6: just interview them. And it turned out it for a
Speaker 6: couple of years. People thought that I had a good
Speaker 6: interview style, use some humor and other things, and so
Speaker 6: Bloomberg actually put it on television, My Interviews, and I
Speaker 6: have a show and a couple of shows on Bloomberg
Speaker 6: where I do it, and I also do it at
Speaker 6: the New York Historical Society and they put them on
Speaker 6: PBS on History kind of interview show. For whatever reason,
Speaker 6: I've been doing a lot of interviews, and then I
Speaker 6: decided to take the interviews and put them together in
Speaker 6: book form. And so why just most recently have a
Speaker 6: book out on the Presidency where I took interviews I've
Speaker 6: done with presidents people have served or living presidents, and
Speaker 6: then combined that with interviews I've done about scholars on
Speaker 6: people like Washington or Lincoln, and combine that. So the
Speaker 6: most recent book called The Highest Calling, and it's a
Speaker 6: fifth one of my interview kind of compilations, and this
Speaker 6: one talks about the presidency, my own views of having
Speaker 6: worked in the White House and what it's like to
Speaker 6: work with a president, what it's like to work in
Speaker 6: the White House, and my own views on the presidents
Speaker 6: that I've interviewed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me there's a lot to be
Speaker 1: said about what the experience is like, and people are
Speaker 1: very interested in it. The thing that I'm so struck by,
Speaker 1: because we just came off that Trump presidency, hopefully not
Speaker 1: going back again.
Speaker 2: Was that there tends to be that the.
Speaker 1: Presidency elevates the person in it, except sometimes right.
Speaker 6: Well, I call my book the highest calling, and what
Speaker 6: I mean by that is it's the most important job
Speaker 6: in the world. We have about what's seven and a
Speaker 6: half to eight billion people in the world. The only
Speaker 6: job that everybody in the world probably cares about what
Speaker 6: the person's doing, is the president of the United States.
Speaker 6: And so as we get close to an election, now
Speaker 6: people are focused on it all over the world, who's
Speaker 6: going to be the president United States because they know
Speaker 6: that what that president does will change the lives of
Speaker 6: people in the United States but also to lives of
Speaker 6: people all over the world. So people are obsessed with
Speaker 6: who the president United States is going to be because
Speaker 6: even though the president might win by a narrow margin,
Speaker 6: once he is elected or she's elected, that narrow margin
Speaker 6: will evaporate in the sense that people that the president
Speaker 6: will have the power to do very significant things and
Speaker 6: won't have to be encumbered the fact that they won
Speaker 6: very narrowly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like you don't necessarily need to
Speaker 1: have a mandate to still govern as if you have
Speaker 1: a mandate.
Speaker 6: Correct Well, for example, take the House of Representatives or
Speaker 6: take the Senate. Suppose you came from Mars and you
Speaker 6: observe that the Senate majority is one vote and the
Speaker 6: House majority is two votes. You would say, well, presumably
Speaker 6: that both sides in the Senate and the House should
Speaker 6: get along with each other. Goes If you're operating in
Speaker 6: the House you only have a two seed majority, why
Speaker 6: not cooperate with the other side and get somebody down
Speaker 6: the middle. That's obviously not what we do. The same
Speaker 6: is true in the Senate. We do things where just
Speaker 6: having a one vote majority allows you or two seed
Speaker 6: majority allows you do things that are really going to
Speaker 6: be anathetical to the interest of the very significant minority.
Speaker 6: It's a strange way to run a government, but that's
Speaker 6: the system we now have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you worked in the White House a while ago.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to us it seems like there's such
Speaker 1: a shift, like so much of American politics was sort
Speaker 1: of predicated on this kind of gentility that sort of
Speaker 1: surrounded the job, and that kind of fell away in
Speaker 1: sort of the advent of Newt Giningridge, and I think
Speaker 1: it's continued.
Speaker 2: Is that correct? And do you notice that difference?
Speaker 6: Yes? And now, remember we've had presidents who've been vilified
Speaker 6: from the beginning. Washington was vilified as present that Jefferson.
Speaker 6: People talked about his slave mistress while he was President
Speaker 6: of United States. People have been vilifying presidents for quite
Speaker 6: some time. I'd say the atmosphere in Washington today is
Speaker 6: fairly bad, though, because people raise money in politics they
Speaker 6: greater extent than ever, and you raise it from the
Speaker 6: far left and the far right. There's very little money
Speaker 6: to be raised by saying to somebody, I'm going to
Speaker 6: do write something right down the middle, and I'm going
Speaker 6: to have a compromise that's going to make everybody happy.
Speaker 6: Nobody gives you money for that. Somebody on the far
Speaker 6: left of the far right will give you money. So
Speaker 6: it is a bizarre situation we have. Presidents are now
Speaker 6: more vilified than ever, to some extent that they're always revilified,
Speaker 6: But now you have something called social media, and in
Speaker 6: social media, everybody is an editor, everybody's an author, everybody's
Speaker 6: an expert. And as a result, you've got more people
Speaker 6: talking about what they don't like about the president we've
Speaker 6: ever had before.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean though, talking about something where you don't
Speaker 1: like the president isn't necessarily making the president less good, right,
Speaker 1: Like some of the discourse may be good, right.
Speaker 6: Well, the scorts is always good, and you always want
Speaker 6: people to talking about policies and what governments are doing,
Speaker 6: because an effective democracy works and only have citizens really
Speaker 6: participated and they're informed. But right now the vilification of
Speaker 6: our leaders is awful, and probably some of that vilification
Speaker 6: is leading the violence in many places.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's so much of American politics. We saw
Speaker 2: violence in the sixties and we've seen assassination attempts since then.
Speaker 2: But I have been struck by how this spate of
Speaker 2: violence is pretty new. Right.
Speaker 6: Well, we have a lot of violence because we have
Speaker 6: a lot of television shows that people see violence and
Speaker 6: it just make believe on television sometimes, but people get
Speaker 6: caught up in it. Also, I have to be honest,
Speaker 6: it's not that difficult to buy a gun in the
Speaker 6: United States. I think we have more guns in the
Speaker 6: United States than we have people. There's violence everywhere, but
Speaker 6: take a country that where there's very few guns, like Japan.
Speaker 6: Now the prime minister was assassinated not long ago, Prime
Speaker 6: Minister Abbe, But generally you don't see a lot of
Speaker 6: shootings in Japan and Europe. It's hard to get a
Speaker 6: gun too, But the United States, we have a second Amendment,
Speaker 6: and it kind of protects people's rights to own guns
Speaker 6: as it's been interpreted by the Supreme Court. So it's
Speaker 6: fairly violent society. You have to be very careful these days.
Speaker 2: You've both worked in government and a business.
Speaker 1: Right now, there's this sort of moment where a lot
Speaker 1: of wealthy people are supporting presidential candidate who will not
Speaker 1: necessarily be a steward of the economy. I think that's
Speaker 1: a fair assessment of Donald Trump. Are these wealthy people
Speaker 1: supporting him just because of the tax cut or is
Speaker 1: there more to it.
Speaker 6: Well, there are wealthy people on both sides, to be honest,
Speaker 6: But I would say a lot of business people worry
Speaker 6: about their businesses, and I think they feel that there'll
Speaker 6: be less regulation under Donald Trump, less ani trust enforcement
Speaker 6: under Donald Trump, and lower taxes for business people and
Speaker 6: corporation under Donald Trump. So I think that's one of
Speaker 6: the reasons that they support him. I think some people
Speaker 6: would say that they don't know Kamala Harris as well
Speaker 6: as they know Donald Trump, and so some people were
Speaker 6: worried about our positions. But you know, it's hard to
Speaker 6: say why people are supporting people. My main point in
Speaker 6: the book, though, is that you should learn about the presidents,
Speaker 6: learn as much as you can, and actually vote. We
Speaker 6: have one hundred and sixty million people who voted last
Speaker 6: time in the presidential election, one hundred and sixty million,
Speaker 6: but eighty million people who are Americans did not vote,
Speaker 6: who are eligible to vote. Eighty million legal citizens who
Speaker 6: have the right to vote did not vote. And I
Speaker 6: think we'd have a better democracy of more people who
Speaker 6: could vote actually did vote.
Speaker 2: No question, And why do you think people don't vote?
Speaker 6: Well? The electoral college system we have makes some people
Speaker 6: think their vote is irrelevant. So let's suppose you're a
Speaker 6: Republican living in California. You know your vote isn't going
Speaker 6: to mean that much in the presidential election. Let's suppose
Speaker 6: you're a Democrat living in Mississippi. Your vote isn't going
Speaker 6: to mean that much in the presidential system. That's one factor.
Speaker 6: Another factor is that for low income people sometimes it's
Speaker 6: hard to get the voting polls, and some people don't
Speaker 6: really know how to fill out the forms for right
Speaker 6: end ballots, and some places are them making harder to
Speaker 6: vote than it was before. I think some legislation was
Speaker 6: passed a few years ago in some states which makes
Speaker 6: it much harder to do a right end vote or
Speaker 6: something like that that. I think some people don't vote
Speaker 6: because it's inconvenient. Some people don't vote because they think
Speaker 6: their vote won't matter. Some people just don't care and
Speaker 6: they just don't participate in government anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's also like a real legacy of Jim
Speaker 1: Crow and disenfranchisement. Right, there are voters like, for example,
Speaker 1: I think about Mississippi, Right, that's a state where there
Speaker 1: should be way more representation of people of color than
Speaker 1: there is in the voting. So, I mean, do you
Speaker 1: think there's more of an opportunity to legislate sort of
Speaker 1: more protection for voters there.
Speaker 6: Well, there have been efforts to legislate more protection, but
Speaker 6: it's been turned down by the Supreme Court. As you know,
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court did some things that many people think
Speaker 6: were not helpful in the enforcement of the Voting Rights
Speaker 6: Acts of nineteen sixty five, and that's the law of
Speaker 6: the land now. Those faults to go around. But generally
Speaker 6: people are not voting in the numbers you would want
Speaker 6: them to vote. In other Western democracies, you have a
Speaker 6: much higher percentage in almost every Western democracy than the
Speaker 6: United States of people voting.
Speaker 1: I think of you as someone who's studied government a
Speaker 1: lot and talk to people. Right now, we have a
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. It's very uneven right at six ' three.
Speaker 1: There are two justices.
Speaker 2: One was sworn in was sort of Obama was denied
Speaker 2: a justice by Mitch McConnell. He was sworn in right
Speaker 2: after the Trump election, and the other was sworn in
Speaker 2: as people were voting for Biden. Do you think there's
Speaker 2: a fix for the court, and if so, what do
Speaker 2: you think would be the least disruptive.
Speaker 6: I think any change at this point is not likely
Speaker 6: to occur. I just don't think Congress is going to
Speaker 6: adopt any changes to the court. I think it's just
Speaker 6: not realistic. In my judgment. President Biden has made some suggestions.
Speaker 6: One of them is that after you've served I think
Speaker 6: twenty years, you would no longer be eligible to serve
Speaker 6: on the court. Some people to suggest age limits. It's
Speaker 6: two partisan now, and I just don't think that the
Speaker 6: people who are happy with the Supreme Court are going
Speaker 6: to support any changes in the foreseeable future. So if
Speaker 6: you're a prominent Republican and you're happy with a Supreme Court,
Speaker 6: you're not going to spport a shade is because right
Speaker 6: now the court's doing what you are happy.
Speaker 2: With, right. Can we talk about Chevron? Sure, So, Chevron is.
Speaker 1: This decision that tried to sort of take expertise out
Speaker 1: of the federal government right to make it so that
Speaker 1: experts weren't deciding the laws, that the judiciary could have
Speaker 1: more power. That's a start of contrast to how it
Speaker 1: was in the seventies and eighties. Can you explain to
Speaker 1: us sort of the flip and sort of what you
Speaker 1: think the future is with that.
Speaker 6: Well, what you're referring to is there was a doctrine
Speaker 6: that the Supreme Court had previously issued which said that
Speaker 6: in deciding how to administer the laws, there should be
Speaker 6: great deference to the federal administrators, the government agencies that
Speaker 6: presumably have the expertise. The Supreme Court more recently has
Speaker 6: said no, that difference this shouldn't be given because you
Speaker 6: really need to give the difference to members of Congress.
Speaker 6: They were elected. And so that tends to make it
Speaker 6: a little bit more political in the sense that if
Speaker 6: you're deferring to members of Congress about what is appropriate
Speaker 6: or not, and not deferring to the federal agencies, which
Speaker 6: are presumably civil service kinds of operations. Then you are
Speaker 6: changing the outcome of administrative decisions. In other words, if
Speaker 6: Republicans have the White House, Republicans have the Congress, they're
Speaker 6: going to have different views, it's thought, than the civil servants,
Speaker 6: whom many believe are more democratic in their orientation. So
Speaker 6: it's a big, big swing in terms of how the
Speaker 6: outcome of regulations and laws are going to be interpreted.
Speaker 2: What do you think about that.
Speaker 6: Well, it's a complicated issue. I'm not sure I'm expert
Speaker 6: enough to comment on it intelligently, but I think it's
Speaker 6: clearly the case that we were politicizing administrative decisions in
Speaker 6: some ways, and it really depends on who's in power
Speaker 6: to figure out whether you're going to do certain things
Speaker 6: or not. I think the federal government is a really
Speaker 6: complicated thing to run, and it's not easily run by
Speaker 6: in my view, some of the decisions that have been
Speaker 6: made by legislators and others in recent years. But more
Speaker 6: complicated than just I can talk about right now.
Speaker 1: Right when you are sort of looking back on the
Speaker 1: kind of presidents, who do you think is this sort
Speaker 1: of deeply underrated president.
Speaker 6: Well, okay, Harry Truman was underrated and he left office
Speaker 6: very unpopular, and now he's seen as having been a
Speaker 6: pretty good president. My forward boss, Jimmy Carter left office
Speaker 6: under a crushing defeat by Ronald Reagan, and now people
Speaker 6: recognize that some of the things he did, like the
Speaker 6: Camp David Accords, the promoting of human rights to creating
Speaker 6: the Department of Energy, Department of Education, civil Service reform,
Speaker 6: Panama Canal Treaty were pretty good things to do. And
Speaker 6: Carter's ex presidency has also made him fairly popular. As
Speaker 6: we approach his one hundredth birthday, I think people are
Speaker 6: reassessing Jimmy Carter, so some presidents become less popular. Woo
Speaker 6: Joe Wilson was seen as a pretty great president at
Speaker 6: the time that he was president and rafree left. But
Speaker 6: now we know that he had his wife really running
Speaker 6: the country for eighteen months because he had a stroke
Speaker 6: that incapacitated him. And he also resegregated the federal workforce,
Speaker 6: and we recognize now that he had some racist instincts
Speaker 6: that were not good. You know, his reputation's going down.
Speaker 6: Andrew Jackson's reputation is going down. He's now seen as
Speaker 6: not a great leader of the Democratic Party, but a
Speaker 6: man who was a race and that person who really
Speaker 6: tried to kill a lot of Native Americans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think is sort of the most
Speaker 1: important trait that a president should have.
Speaker 6: Worrying about the country more than his or her own
Speaker 6: personal well being, Having the ability to articulate what he
Speaker 6: or she believes in an effective way. Being honest is
Speaker 6: a good thing as well. I would say humility is
Speaker 6: also a virtue that I think Lincoln had and I
Speaker 6: think other great presidents have had, and I think that's
Speaker 6: something we should look at as well. But also a
Speaker 6: person who really focuses on what is best for the
Speaker 6: country as opposed to what's best for me politically or personally.
Speaker 6: Just making sure you've got somebody that really is focused
Speaker 6: on the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a really I think useful message in
Speaker 1: the Harris campaign is to talk about how self centered
Speaker 1: Trump is.
Speaker 6: Now. The Harris campaign is trying to do something it's
Speaker 6: very difficult, which is to go for a running start.
Speaker 6: Just a few months before the election, you know, it
Speaker 6: was generally thought that Joe Biden would be the nominee,
Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden She's asked to put
Speaker 6: together a national campaign in a few weeks, which is
Speaker 6: very hard to do. So it's not an easy task
Speaker 6: to undertake. And I you know, now, the polling data
Speaker 6: is very close, and all the political experts that I
Speaker 6: talk to tell me they can't tell me who's got
Speaker 6: to be the next president United States. They also tell
Speaker 6: me that it's not likely we'll know on Tuesday night
Speaker 6: of the election day because absentee ballots doesn't really start
Speaker 6: sometimes until the next day after the election. So we
Speaker 6: could be not knowing who the president is or who
Speaker 6: controls Congress for a week or two or three or
Speaker 6: even longer.
Speaker 2: What do you think Harris could be doing that would
Speaker 2: be useful? That she's not doing.
Speaker 6: Well, There is a general view that if she gave
Speaker 6: more interviews it would be good by some people. Remember, though,
Speaker 6: the people that want interviews to most are the people
Speaker 6: in the press, right. You know, people aren't marching on
Speaker 6: Washington d C. I'm sitting on Pennsylvania Avenue as we talk.
Speaker 6: Nobody's marching down Pennsylvania Avenue is saying we want more
Speaker 6: Kamala Harris interviews. And that's not a marching kind of issue. So, yeah,
Speaker 6: I think it would be not a terrible thing to
Speaker 6: give more interviews, but I think she's doing more now.
Speaker 6: In that regard, the most important thing we should do
Speaker 6: is try to make sure that everybody votes, people get informed.
Speaker 6: I think in her case, being more public about her
Speaker 6: positions will probably help her with the Business Committee. The
Speaker 6: Business Committee is more worried about her than maybe they
Speaker 6: should be. I think a Donald Trump's case, I think
Speaker 6: he's got to be more forthcoming about what he plans
Speaker 6: to do as president, because he said he doesn't support
Speaker 6: the twenty twenty five program that the Heritage Foundation came
Speaker 6: up with. But if he doesn't support that, then he
Speaker 6: should be more forthcoming about what he would like to do.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, David, all right.
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: No moments.
Speaker 3: Jesse Cannon, Malli Jung Fast, I gotta tell you, I'm heartbroken.
Speaker 3: I believe to Elon Musk that he was a free
Speaker 3: speech absolutist because when he says something, he's always taught
Speaker 3: the truth that he never contradicts it. But I saw
Speaker 3: that after ken Klippenstein posts JD. Vantz's Apple research file,
Speaker 3: he banned him.
Speaker 1: Ken Klippenstein is an independent journalized finally out of the
Speaker 1: annoyance of the fact that no one in the mainstream
Speaker 1: media was publishing this hacked material. It was Jadie Vance's
Speaker 1: oppo file. There's other stuff that leaked and nobody was
Speaker 1: publishing it. Because now people have decided not to publish
Speaker 1: hacked material. I think the Clinton campaign from twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: with like a word, but what's interesting?
Speaker 2: I think about this story two things.
Speaker 1: One is Clippenstein then gets banned or gets suspended from
Speaker 1: X because Elon must doesn't really care about free speech.
Speaker 1: He really just cares about helping his people, right elevating Trump.
Speaker 2: And then the other.
Speaker 1: Thing, which I think is sort of interesting about it,
Speaker 1: is there's just not a lot of new.
Speaker 2: Stuff in the oppo file. It's a lot of stuff
Speaker 2: we've seen.
Speaker 1: So that makes a little more sense as to why
Speaker 1: they're not publishing it is that it's just not so
Speaker 1: interesting anyway. It's still very annoying to those of us
Speaker 1: who lived through twenty sixteen. And we'll see if Ken
Speaker 1: gets taken back on X.
Speaker 3: It's mostly just not interesting because it seems the Harris
Speaker 3: team did such a job finding most of the stuff,
Speaker 3: and they've outed most of it already.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I also just think, like with all of
Speaker 1: this stuff, like with the Mark Robinson stuff in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: it's all stuff we kind of thought.
Speaker 2: It's just a little worse.
Speaker 3: Pats the picture a little bit brighter of all the
Speaker 3: bad things he says about women.
Speaker 2: It's not a surprise to anyone paying attention.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure it's a big surprise to all the
Speaker 3: people who whined about Hunter Biden's laptop being sensorted on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I don't think they care.
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