1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Donald Trump bizarrely claimed that migrants 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: have a phone app that connects them directly to Kamala 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Harris during a speech at Trump Tower on Thursday. I 6 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: am without words. We have such a great show for 7 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: you today the Bulwarks. Tim Miller stops by to talk 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: the state of the presidential race. First we'll talk to 9 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: Carlisle Group co founder David Rubinstein about what he's seeing 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: in the political landscape. 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: But first the news. 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 3: So, Mallie, I really feel like the Springfield, Ohio people 13 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: have been through enough. It really if this news cycle 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 3: could just go away, I'm sure everyone would be happier, 15 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 3: But unfortunately politicians have the politics. 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 4: So what do you see? Hear? 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Trump has said he will go to Springfield and the 18 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: famous two weeks. That could be two weeks, that could 19 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: be two years, that could be never, because weeks is 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: an amount of time that can sometimes never happen in 21 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,039 Speaker 1: Donald Trump world. 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 4: It's the infrastructure week of this cycle, right. 23 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: But the Springfield mayor rejected a call with Jade Vance 24 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: and said, in fact, the safety of our residence is 25 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: a responsibility we should take seriously. It should not be politicized. 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: Springfield's mayor wrote to Vance, you know, there's a school 27 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: of thought that Harris should go and be there and 28 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: talk about Trump's rhetoric towards Haitian immigrants and how Unamerican 29 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: it is. I'm not sure that it is the best 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: use of her pulpit, but maybe it is. 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: Obviously, Trump shouldn't go. Do you remember in twenty sixteen 33 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: when Trump would go somewhere and then they'd have elevated 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: kind of hate crimes in the area afterwards. 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 4: I do, I do. It's almost like his rhetoric emboldens people. 36 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I hope that he doesn't go to Springfield. 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: I hope that Harris does meet this head on. But it's, 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: you know, a complete fiasco create by JD. Vance and 39 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: based on almost just nothing. 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: And this mayor has been doing tons of press hits 41 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 3: basically trying to calm this down and do the right thing. 42 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: And he is a Republican mayor. 43 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: Right and also the governor of the state. Mike DeWine 44 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: has also said that this is just super unhelpful. 45 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: Billy shifted gears. We talked about ethics and politics. This 46 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 3: was a bad week for it being a good connotation 47 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: of the two words together. 48 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: It was not a good week for ethics in the 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 1: American political system. On the left, we had and I'm 50 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: not even tre he's a Democrat, but we had our 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Mayor Eric adams Man who bought the cop robot. That guy, 52 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: I think he got arranged today facing numerous. 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: Counts bribery, being non registered for it aged to doing business. 54 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: And getting a lot of a lot of free trips 55 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: on Turkish air. 56 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: In fact, first stop is always it's Stumbo anyway. 57 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: So but that was not all when it came to 58 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: Dicey ethics. But I do want to just mention the 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: Democrat because we are nothing if not nonpartisan, and if 60 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Republicans ever got normal again, we might be nice to them. 61 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: On Thursday, Representative Matt Gates, you'll remember him from being 62 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: just a complete lunatic and also having had too much 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: botox in his forehead so it made his. 64 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 4: Eyes were That's something I will never forget personally. 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong with botox, but you just have to 66 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,519 Speaker 1: be a little careful. You always know things are going 67 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: great when you publicly deny you had sex with a 68 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: woman under eighteen. Always Good made a vague comment about 69 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: drug use and warned that he may not cooperate with 70 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: a subpoena from the House Ethics Committee. Real talk, Jesse Cannon. 71 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: The House Ethics Committee could not be more toothless discuss. 72 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: It is basically a ninety year old person with deadsures 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: the way that it has teeth. 74 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, it has literally no teeth. They have like 75 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: almost never found anyone. The House Ethics Committee is like 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: when the library gives you a fine. Okay, it's like 77 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: when you don't do your jury summons. But he's still 78 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: worried and he still may not participate. Earlier in the week, 79 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: The New York Times broke a story that freshman congressman 80 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: this is one of these congressional seats that Biden won. 81 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: It's Long Island Anthony d Esposito. You may remember him. 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: He employed both his mistress and his fiance's daughter on 83 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: his congressional payroll. 84 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: Because why not. 85 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you would think you might be slightly worried 86 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: about them meeting each other. 87 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: But again, we still have Santos. 88 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Pleading guilty to wire fraud and then on the Democratic 89 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 1: side because the stupid and criminal is not a partisan activity. 90 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: Bob Menendez with the gold bars, everybody knows that story. 91 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: Henry Qular was indicted in May for money laundering conspiracy 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: Briber because of course business interests in Mexico and auberation 93 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 1: by Jean and then of course Hunter Biden and the 94 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: FBI has seized Representative Andy Ogle's cell phone in August. Again, 95 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: we don't know what the TLDR on that is, though 96 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: he has been accused of filing falls campaign reports. Scott 97 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: Perry has his own legal fight with the Justice Department 98 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: after his phone was seized in part of the January 99 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: sixth committee. And so there you go. It just is 100 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: an absolute congressional ethics shit show in Congress. 101 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 3: Turning to a place I really did not think we'd 102 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 3: ever discussed, because I remember when we used to see 103 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: Nebraska's one electoral vote in its second district, we'd always 104 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 3: laugh and go, why the hell will they do that? 105 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 3: That's become quite a political hubbed lately. Molly, what do 106 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: you see there? 107 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: So Republicans are desperate? 108 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: I think actually the best explanation of it comes from 109 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: Dave Weigel, friend of the Pod semaphore our political journalist. 110 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 1: This guy goes everywhere, he said, and I think this 111 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 1: is really the right take, making multiple loud plays for 112 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: Omaha's electoral vote. You'll remember the Republicans wanted to switch 113 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: it to a winner take all state, getting Representative Don 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: Bacon on the record saying that he wanted to switch 115 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: it to winner take all and that not doing it 116 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: is obviously the worst ending here for ours. And a 117 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: new poll shows that Harris is up eleven in Nebraska's 118 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: second district. You'll remember Biden won it by six or 119 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 1: seven and twenty twenty. This is a really good example 120 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: of people don't like it when you take away their stuff, 121 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,239 Speaker 1: and in this case it's the electoral vote. With Nebraska second, 122 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Harris would only need Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin to get to 123 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: two seventy. Again, this is this whole. As you know, 124 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 1: we're thirty eight days till the election. We're just sort 125 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: of cruising and hoping that, you know, she can win Pennsylvania, 126 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 1: but this would make it so she wouldn't have to necessarily. 127 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: We'll see what happens. But it continues on Somali. 128 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: We've found out that Respucinar, as you like to call 129 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: them resputant. The polling firm that always seems to put 130 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 3: a Republican up very high compared to the rest might 131 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: be doing some nefarious dealings. Would you see here? 132 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: So this is an incredible story file under stuff you 133 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: suspected and thought was probably right. This is a polling company, 134 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: and American muckrakers have discovered that they post these emails 135 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:31,239 Speaker 1: detailing how the conservative leaning pollsters have been sharing polls 136 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: with Trump advisors and campaign officials. Basically, this is Pulse's propaganda. Right, 137 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: Trump is doing better in these polls. It makes Trump 138 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: feel better, it makes everyone feel better. It's like internal polling. 139 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: It has different uses, many of which are nefarious. I'm 140 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: not so shocked to see it, because anyone who's been 141 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: paying attention knows their numbers are way out of whack. 142 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: But it's a good reminder that if you think something 143 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: nefarious is happenings. 144 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 3: We have even more tour dates for you. Did you 145 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: know the Lincoln Projects, Rick Willson, have Fast Politics, Mali 146 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 3: jug Fast are heading out on tour to bring you 147 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 3: a night of laughs for our dark political landscape. 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That's Politics as Unusual 167 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: dot bio. 168 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: Tim Miller is a contributor to The Bulwark and host 169 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: of the Bulwark Daily podcast. Welcome back to Fast Politics, 170 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: Tim Miller. 171 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 5: I'm just so excited to be here. I'm trying to think, 172 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 5: is it a non Bulwark edition? Have I ever been 173 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 5: on any other show more? I don't know. I guess 174 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 5: you and the podbros. Probably it's a competition. I think 175 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 5: you might have them be. 176 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: I like you a lot, and I think that you're 177 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: really smart and also hilarious. 178 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 5: Than can' I'm getting uncomfortable though. 179 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 2: That's good. You're terrible and you're easy to get, all right. 180 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 5: That's my wheelhouse. Yeah, let's ship talk me a little bit. 181 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 5: That's that's why I like it. 182 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: But I do think you're doing a really good job 183 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: to engaging with whatever is out there. 184 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: I feel like. 185 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: Every day in this endless election cycle, some days I'm like, 186 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: this is going to be fine, American democracy is going 187 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: to continue. Why are we all so upset? And some 188 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: days I'm like, where am I going to move? 189 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 5: We should be upset. I'm riled myself up this morning. 190 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 5: So you've picked a good time to ask me this. 191 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 5: Oh good, And that is because this is a really 192 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 5: cool election. Like I'd rather become mold than Trump. Sure, 193 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 5: and if this was a situation where it's like, you know, 194 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 5: my basketball team is like the Nuggets are playing against 195 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 5: the Mavericks, and I'd rather be the Nuggets. Like that'd 196 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 5: be great, I'd have I'd be confident, I'd be going 197 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 5: into the game. I want to have a beer. I 198 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 5: want to watch it. But like the country is on 199 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 5: the line, like I'd rather become mold than Trump slightly 200 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 5: is like not good. 201 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 4: Enough for me. 202 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 5: It should be more, should be clearer. And I'm very 203 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 5: frustrated that I feel like there's a lack of urgency 204 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 5: not among the Harris campaign. I think they're doing a 205 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 5: good job. I could see a little bit more from them, 206 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 5: just as far as visibility, but like directionally they're doing 207 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 5: a good job. But like the other people out there, 208 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 5: why are Mark Cuban and Sarah Longwell and Mollie jong 209 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 5: Fast the only people that I see doing interviews. I 210 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 5: do just feel like that this moment, when somebody is running, 211 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 5: who has already attempted an insurrection, who already spurred a 212 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 5: mob at the Capitol, calls for people to step up 213 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 5: and speak out, and I think that there's a lot 214 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 5: of people that are not stepping up and I think 215 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 5: it's because there's maybe just a little bit of false 216 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 5: confidence about Kamala. Confidence is good, but I don't like overconfidence. 217 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 2: I was texting with Mark. 218 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: I had always thought Mark was the best possible surrogate 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: for Harris World, because Trump has this thing where he's 220 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: like businessman, billionaire, alpha alpha, And what we talk about 221 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: a lot, and I think this is largely true, is 222 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: that Harris wins with women and she's lagging with this 223 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: sort of alpha man man, masculine man, man rip your 224 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: shirt off. 225 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: Crew, you know. 226 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: And so what I think is great about Mark is 227 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: that he really makes the case that she's actually better 228 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: on the economy, which we all well, no, but he 229 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: was saying, I said, you know, I was really glad 230 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: you went on that Fox hit was really really smart, right, 231 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: He just like took a case by case. 232 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 2: And then he was on CNBC the next day. 233 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 1: But he said he saw the Fox guy he's on 234 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: Yo Kovudo's team setting up, and he went over there 235 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: and was like, do you want to have me on? 236 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 2: And they were like. 237 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, And he went on THEO Vaughn's podcast, which is 238 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: like a very bro we kind of Trump friendly podcast, 239 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 5: like not political, and I thought they had a very 240 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 5: casual conversation. We need that out there and. 241 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 4: Pete and repeat the other day. 242 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 5: He's great, Pete goes everywhere, but as a gay me 243 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 5: and Pete like, are we the best people for this option? 244 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 5: I mean, like I also like to rip my shirt 245 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 5: off at the bar, but it's kind of a different 246 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 5: scene than the kind of shirt ripping off that Hull 247 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 5: Cogan is doing. And so getting more guys out there 248 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 5: to do this, I think he's important. So I'm glad 249 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 5: Mark even's doing it. Though My point is just like. 250 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: He shouldn't be alone right now. 251 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 5: You know, there are a lot of business guys out there. 252 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 5: There a lot of sports figures. I talk obsessively about 253 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: all the never trial. You know, there's in the myths, 254 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 5: and we should mentioned Liz. Liz is out. 255 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 2: There, change, Liz is out there. 256 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 5: It's just like, why can we name all the people 257 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,200 Speaker 5: that are out there? Shun't shouldn't be an overwhelming, you know, 258 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 5: sort of force speaking out And that's the thing that 259 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 5: concerns me. 260 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: No, I think that's a really good point. And Liz 261 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 1: is out there, and Dick has endorsed too. I mean, 262 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a question. Look, Those people are not 263 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,680 Speaker 1: out there to convince liberals to vote for Harris. They're 264 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: out there to provide the permission structure and break through 265 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: the mainstream media and me make the case to low 266 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: information voters that this is the most important election of 267 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: all of our lives. 268 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, and there are many different groups, right, I mean, 269 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 5: like we obviously at the bullwork, like we talked mostly 270 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 5: about these sort of middle high income, college educated suburban men, 271 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 5: mostly because their wives already voting for Kamala, and how 272 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: to nudge them. That's an important group. There was a 273 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: moment right when the campaign, right when the switch happened, 274 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 5: right where Charlie tweets Kamala's brat and Beyonce is out 275 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,679 Speaker 5: there and Megan the Statability did that recently. That was 276 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 5: really good. That's great. I like that that's happening. But again, 277 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 5: I just I want to be insatiable because everything matters here. 278 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 5: And I think that the celebrity types kind of reaching 279 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,079 Speaker 5: out to younger people, getting them out is important. Like 280 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 5: there are a few different areas. Another group that I'm 281 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 5: obsessed with that I don't think that gets enough attention 282 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 5: is non college white women and trying to have people 283 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 5: talk to them like rural women about about dobbs being 284 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 5: post doobs and being like, you know, just because your 285 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 5: husbands for Trump or your ex husband's for Trump, doesn't 286 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 5: mean you have to be. And so I think that's 287 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 5: the key. So anyway, all this stuff, all this stuff 288 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 5: is going to matter on the margins because unfortunately, this 289 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 5: thing is is is going to be close, and it's 290 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 5: too close. It's too close for comfort. 291 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I think that's a really good point. 292 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: And I mean you saw those little nodes that women 293 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 1: are leaving each other in the bathroom. 294 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: Nobody knows, needs to know your vote. 295 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 5: You know. 296 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: Again, that's smart, right, I mean those are the things 297 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: that Hillary Clinton world did not do because there was 298 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: this belief, this inherent belief that Trump was so ridiculous 299 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: that no one would ever elect impress. 300 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a real problem. It's funny, there's some 301 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 5: of the listeners on this show feel this way. Sometimes 302 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 5: I get frustrated with my new progressive and liberal allies 303 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 5: because they'll be like kam was definitely gonna win. Stop 304 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 5: down talking her, or like stop talking about this polls 305 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 5: like it's great, everything's great. We need to be hoping. 306 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 5: I'll hope him. Hey, look, if you want positivity in 307 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: your life, I'm for it. You know, whatever keeps you going. 308 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 5: I'm not judging, but just as a strategic political matter, 309 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 5: you cannot object to the fact that Hillary was harmed 310 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 5: by the perception that she was clearly going to win 311 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 5: because there were people that did not vote for her 312 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 5: that would have voted for her. I just interviewed one. 313 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 5: Michael medved a conservative talk radio host basically the only 314 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 5: national one who kept his integrity during the Trump era, 315 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 5: lost his show, got replaced by Seb Gorka. That tells 316 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 5: you everything about the devolution of the Republican Party that 317 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 5: this guy, the smart, thoughtful, very you know, steeped in history. 318 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 5: Conservative radio host got replaced by Seb Gorka. So anyway, 319 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 5: but he was like his vote general mantics who lived 320 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 5: in Seattle, but he's represented other people, you know where 321 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 5: He's like, I didn't vote for Hillary because I didn't 322 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 5: think if I thought that Trump could win, I would 323 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 5: voted for Hillary. And there were people out there like that. 324 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 5: And there were people who didn't show up because they 325 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 5: didn't think that they didn't think it mattered. Who are liberals? 326 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 5: And there are people who wrote in Jill Stein on 327 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 5: the other side of the you know, ideological spectrum. So 328 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 5: I don't like that, and I like the Harris campaign 329 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 5: has not fallen into that trap at all, by the way, 330 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 5: which Cherry had been consistent on, we're running like we're behind, 331 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 5: and that's good. 332 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think that's a really good point. And 333 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: I think the sort of the ridiculousness of Trump and 334 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: trump Ism really did help him both win, and the 335 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: fact that he seemed to like completely unelectable did actually 336 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: help him win. You had an amazing moment during the 337 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: debate where you were talking in the spin room. 338 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: Can you talk about that. 339 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 5: I was having so much fun, Molly. 340 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 2: You seem like you were having a. 341 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 5: The time of my life in that spin room, because 342 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 5: as much as happy as Democrats were about calm was 343 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 5: a big night around the spinner room. And they're surrogates 344 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 5: and they all seemed happy, none of them seemed as 345 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 5: happy as me. And you know why. You know why, 346 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 5: It's because they don't know these assholes like I do. 347 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 5: And so I got to have the added joy of 348 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 5: really appreciating their suffering in a way that the Democrats 349 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 5: kind of do. Right, Like You're like, I don't like 350 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 5: Corey Lewandowski in a distant way, and he deserves some suffering. 351 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 5: But like I know him. I've been in meetings with him. 352 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 5: I know I got hit checked by him. Like I 353 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 5: know these people. If I don't know them, I know 354 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 5: their type. I got to go to the Spin Room 355 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 5: with its one guy, David Bossi, who one time made 356 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 5: an anti gay joke in a meeting I was in, 357 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 5: not knowing I was gay, And so, you know, it 358 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 5: just kind of gives you just a little insight into 359 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 5: his morality and the type of person that he is. 360 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 5: I had the biggest shitting and grin on my face 361 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 5: when I went up to him, and I like, David 362 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 5: got some questions for you about the debate. I wonder 363 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 5: now when Sony. That was fun. And then I and 364 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 5: then me and Lindsay Graham got into a very heated dispute. 365 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 5: Me and Lindsay new know each other quite well, and 366 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 5: I was just I was teasing him and trying to 367 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 5: be like, hey, this is your moment, go back to 368 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,880 Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, Lindsay, never Trump. Lindsay, this is your moment. 369 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 5: Get off the ship. The water's warm, we'll welcome you. 370 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 5: And he did not like that, and instead of going 371 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 5: along with the joking, he shouted at me and told 372 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 5: me I should be ashamed of myself, what for supporting 373 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 5: Kamala because of the conservative policies that are being I 374 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 5: don't know, it's the kind of shit you need to 375 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 5: convince yourself to sleep at night that like you're the 376 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 5: righteous one. And then I told him no, he should 377 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 5: be ashamed of himself. And then we yelled back and 378 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: forth for a while because he's a politician. At the 379 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 5: very end of the fight, he tried to make up 380 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 5: with me. And when he tried to make up with me, 381 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 5: I was like, okay, but you can admit that, like 382 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 5: the debate prep team was really bad, right, And he 383 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 5: was like, oh yeah, the debate prep team should totally 384 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 5: be fired and Mack's UNTILSI are awful. And I was like, thanks, 385 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 5: Lindsay immediately tweeting this. I'm tweeting this. Then he like 386 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 5: an hour later had like post a damage control Instagram post. 387 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 5: So it's like, mister Trump did a great job. Like 388 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 5: don't listen to it. The people at the fake news 389 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 5: is it saying? So it was fun agreed time. I'm 390 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 5: sad that it seems like Trump doesn't want a debate again, 391 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 5: because I was looking forward to doing it all over again. 392 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 5: I wanted an encore. 393 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: One of the sort of unspoken stories of this cycle, 394 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 1: I think is the complete train Wreckerry in Congress. You know, 395 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 1: they've done nothing. One of the things I love about 396 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: Mike Johnson is how bad he is at this job. 397 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 1: So he was going to do all these messaging bills 398 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: and he was going to be it was going to 399 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: be Woke Week. By the way, the one time I 400 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: heard about Woke Week, I think was reading Punchball, like 401 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: a week before, and then you never heard about it again. 402 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: But they voted on messaging bills, they. 403 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: Voted on washing machines, and then he was unable to 404 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: do this Citizen Voting Act, which was just psychodrama and 405 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: the hopes of making it you know whatever. 406 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: I mean. 407 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a Congress as badly roun And 408 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 1: this is two part question, what is going to happen 409 00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: to Matt Gates? 410 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 5: Dying to know what would have happened on woke Week? 411 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 5: You know, good Robin DeAngelo in there. I don't know, 412 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:06,199 Speaker 5: It's like, low, what are you gonna do? What was 413 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 5: the point was the idea I have seen a Congress 414 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 5: is badly run. Actually, Kevin McCarthy's Congress, the exact previous 415 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 5: one to this one before that had been a while. 416 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson at least did the Ukraine deal, so they 417 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 5: did that, But we are steering down the barrel. Can 418 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 5: I just say, like, even if Kamala wins, I'm sure 419 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 5: a lot of people will want to kind of take 420 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,880 Speaker 5: a deep breath and check out, and. 421 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 4: I'll respect that. 422 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 5: But like the Christmas deadline that he's now set up, 423 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 5: like the government is going to run out of money Christmas, 424 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: then you'd have January sixth, two point zero, and you 425 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 5: know Mike Johnson potentially needing votes again to be the speaker, 426 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 5: and so like all the crazies will be able to 427 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 5: hold him hostage. Like the end of this year into 428 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 5: January in the House is going to be insane, and 429 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson is not up for the challenge at all. 430 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: I don't know what's going to happen to mac Gates. 431 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 5: The mac Gates Kevin McCarthy thing is like such an 432 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 5: Iran Iraq war situation. 433 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 2: True, there's no one. 434 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 5: So everyone saw I find myself Matt Gates nailed Kevin 435 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 5: McCarthy there and then I'm like, that was a good one, Matt, 436 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 5: And I'm like, no, bad tim. Don't think about that. 437 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 5: So I really, honestly, I just have closely to know. 438 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: But there's an ethics investigation into Matt Gates, which he's 439 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: like so freaked out about, and I'm like, it's an 440 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 1: ethics investigation in Congress. 441 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: They're not going to find anything. They never find anything. 442 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:21,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been subpoenat, I guess by his colleagues. 443 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. 444 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going to be ugly. The House Republican situation 445 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 5: is going to be ugly. I mean they're in some ways. 446 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 5: Mike Johnson honestly is just begging for the Democrats to 447 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 5: win so he can be a minority leader because minority 448 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 5: leader is an easy job. Speaker is a hard job. 449 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 450 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: The Republicans in Long Island, d Esposito, who recently put 451 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: his mistress on his payroll in his district office. You 452 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: have ds Posito, you have Santos Lolda. That is a 453 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: real rogue rogues gallery. 454 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 4: It is. 455 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 5: And even the supposed good one, Mike Lawler, is like 456 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 5: he does ever do anything good? You know, he just 457 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 5: doesn't do the bad stuff. He just doesn't do any 458 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 5: of Like the cre just doesn't go along with the 459 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 5: craziest stuff. Like he's not out there being like Haitians 460 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 5: eat animals, but like he doesn't actually do anything to 461 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 5: separate himself in a meaningful way from the Maga Republicans, 462 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 5: and Monde's running against him. So no, the New York 463 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 5: is I think the other thing, and this is you know, 464 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 5: more in your wheelhouse, Molly. But like I think a 465 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 5: big advantage for the Democrats in the House this year 466 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 5: is a lot of these Republican gains in the House 467 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 5: were in blue states, I think because abortion was a 468 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:35,120 Speaker 5: lower salience issue, you know, because like if I live 469 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 5: on Long Island, I think, I think overturn of Row 470 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 5: is bad, but like I live in Long Island, like 471 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 5: abortions legal here, it's not. I don't have to worry 472 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 5: about my daughter or my niece or whatever. And now 473 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 5: with like the prospect of Donald Trump and Mike Johnson, 474 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 5: you know, kind of running the show, it's a higher 475 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 5: salience issue for everybody, no matter where you live. And 476 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 5: I think that's great problems for those guys in addition 477 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 5: to them just being like a total clown car of buffoonery. 478 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think so too. 479 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: Again, Like, this is the thing with all of these poles, right, 480 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: if she's overperforming by these numbers, there's the thinking is 481 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: that she'll flip a bunch of congressional seats, especially seeds 482 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: where Biden won. My general anxiety with all these poles, 483 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: besides the fact is that they're wildly inaccurate, though they 484 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: are showing a good trajectory for her, is my anxiety 485 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: is there are so many of these poles where the 486 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: bottom of the ticket, you know that you've got to 487 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: send a candidate winning by ten points, and then you 488 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: have them dead even at the top of the ticket, 489 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: and that math doesn't make sense. 490 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 5: The math really doesn't make sense in Arizona. I like 491 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 5: the math and a lot of the other states besides 492 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 5: the Mountain West, because what you see really is Casey 493 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 5: and Pennsylvania Baldwin like running ahead of Kamala, and the 494 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 5: margin like on the ballot, they're pretty similar, and you 495 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 5: kind of you know, there's just some undecided and so 496 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 5: you kind of think that they will probably end up 497 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 5: converging in those blue wall states in a way that 498 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 5: is beneficial for the Democrats. I got to tell you, 499 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 5: I'm just at a loss about what's happening in Arizona 500 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 5: and Nevada. And you know, Jackie Rosen and Diego winning 501 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,120 Speaker 5: by a million points and Kamala and Trumping tied. And 502 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,360 Speaker 5: I know Carrie Lake is horrible and Reuben's a good candidate, 503 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 5: so I guess that kind of makes sense. But there's 504 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 5: a seventeen point gap between Diego and Kama that does 505 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,159 Speaker 5: make many sense. And then in Nevada, I mean, Jackie 506 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 5: Rosen is a good person, but it's not like she 507 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 5: has this great brand or is like super famous or popular, 508 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. It's not like, oh, I 509 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,239 Speaker 5: get it. Why would Jackie Rosen be running so far 510 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 5: ahead of it. There's something funky in the numbers out there. 511 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 5: And I don't know if they're struggling to pull Hispanics 512 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 5: or waited. I know that Polsters have to have had 513 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 5: trouble with Hispanics in the past because the Spanish speaking 514 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,400 Speaker 5: element and getting the right mix. I don't know, it's 515 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 5: just a theory. 516 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: It's possible. 517 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: With the top of the ticket, what they're doing is 518 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: they're addressing for this Trump electorate, right If that electorate 519 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: comes out, they're going to leave the bottom of the 520 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 1: ticket blank or they're going to vote for the Democrat. 521 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: I just have trouble if you were a MAGA voter 522 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 1: who the last time you voted was twenty sixteen, you're 523 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: going to go out there and be like, I haven't 524 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: voted in almost a decade, but I'm going to be 525 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: a split ticket voter because I want a Democratic Congress 526 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: to check my guy. 527 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that doesn't make any sense. 528 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 5: The only thing that makes sense about why the gap 529 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 5: is so big out there. But again, this is only 530 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 5: like two points, it's not seventeen points, right, But like 531 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 5: I do think conceivably that we've seen some slippage among 532 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: Hispanic voters at the time, and so maybe that there's 533 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 5: some Myspanic voters that look at Reuben Guago, they know him, 534 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,960 Speaker 5: he's been there, he's a Hispanic and like he cares 535 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 5: at the border, and they've been Democrats. These Suspans have 536 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 5: been Democrats. And like, for whatever reason, if talking about 537 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 5: Hispanic men, YOUNGESTUK men were seeing that, like there's some 538 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 5: Trump ap you like, I don't get it. I'm just 539 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 5: saying I don't, but I don't understand why. But I 540 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 5: recognize that there's some evidence that that's happening, so there 541 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 5: could be some gap among Hispanic voters there who had 542 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 5: been Democrats who are now kind of mega curious, but 543 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 5: like still, that explains two points difference, not the fact 544 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 5: that this literally this Fox poll had Ruben up by 545 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 5: thirteen and Trump up by three. Like, that's not going 546 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 5: to happen. There's going to be split ticket. There are 547 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 5: some split ticket voters out there. People are weird, but 548 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 5: not one in five voters are not going to split 549 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 5: between Rubin and Donald Trump. 550 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: Tim Miller, thank you so much for joining us, Molly, 551 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 2: I love you. 552 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 5: We'll be talking to you soon. 553 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 554 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term could be, Well, so are we, 555 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,919 Speaker 1: which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make 556 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,600 Speaker 1: a limited series with the experts on what a disaster 557 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now, 558 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five 559 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,200 Speaker 1: episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly John 560 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you 561 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber, 562 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: you can hit play and put your phone in the 563 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 1: lock screen and it will play back just like a broadcast. 564 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. We need to educate 565 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do 566 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: to this country. 567 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: So please watch it and spread the word. 568 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: David Rubinstein is the co founder of the Carlisle Group. 569 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Politics, David Rubinstein. 570 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 4: Thank you very much, my pleasure to be here. 571 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 2: You have been writing these history books. 572 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 1: I mean they're not just history. There conversations with presidents. 573 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: But just explain to us how you got into this. 574 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 6: So I became the president of the Economic Club of 575 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 6: Washington about fifteen years ago, and I was supposed to 576 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 6: bring business people in to speak, but I found that 577 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 6: business people were boring and putting people into sleep. So 578 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 6: I decided I would change the format and I would 579 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 6: just interview them. And it turned out it for a 580 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 6: couple of years. People thought that I had a good 581 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 6: interview style, use some humor and other things, and so 582 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 6: Bloomberg actually put it on television, My Interviews, and I 583 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 6: have a show and a couple of shows on Bloomberg 584 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 6: where I do it, and I also do it at 585 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 6: the New York Historical Society and they put them on 586 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 6: PBS on History kind of interview show. For whatever reason, 587 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 6: I've been doing a lot of interviews, and then I 588 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 6: decided to take the interviews and put them together in 589 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 6: book form. And so why just most recently have a 590 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 6: book out on the Presidency where I took interviews I've 591 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 6: done with presidents people have served or living presidents, and 592 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 6: then combined that with interviews I've done about scholars on 593 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 6: people like Washington or Lincoln, and combine that. So the 594 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 6: most recent book called The Highest Calling, and it's a 595 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 6: fifth one of my interview kind of compilations, and this 596 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 6: one talks about the presidency, my own views of having 597 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 6: worked in the White House and what it's like to 598 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 6: work with a president, what it's like to work in 599 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 6: the White House, and my own views on the presidents 600 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 6: that I've interviewed. 601 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems to me there's a lot to be 602 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: said about what the experience is like, and people are 603 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: very interested in it. The thing that I'm so struck by, 604 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: because we just came off that Trump presidency, hopefully not 605 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: going back again. 606 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 2: Was that there tends to be that the. 607 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: Presidency elevates the person in it, except sometimes right. 608 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 6: Well, I call my book the highest calling, and what 609 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 6: I mean by that is it's the most important job 610 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,960 Speaker 6: in the world. We have about what's seven and a 611 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 6: half to eight billion people in the world. The only 612 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,719 Speaker 6: job that everybody in the world probably cares about what 613 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 6: the person's doing, is the president of the United States. 614 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: And so as we get close to an election, now 615 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 6: people are focused on it all over the world, who's 616 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 6: going to be the president United States because they know 617 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 6: that what that president does will change the lives of 618 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 6: people in the United States but also to lives of 619 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 6: people all over the world. So people are obsessed with 620 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 6: who the president United States is going to be because 621 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 6: even though the president might win by a narrow margin, 622 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 6: once he is elected or she's elected, that narrow margin 623 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 6: will evaporate in the sense that people that the president 624 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 6: will have the power to do very significant things and 625 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 6: won't have to be encumbered the fact that they won 626 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 6: very narrowly. 627 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like you don't necessarily need to 628 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: have a mandate to still govern as if you have 629 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: a mandate. 630 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 6: Correct Well, for example, take the House of Representatives or 631 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 6: take the Senate. Suppose you came from Mars and you 632 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 6: observe that the Senate majority is one vote and the 633 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 6: House majority is two votes. You would say, well, presumably 634 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 6: that both sides in the Senate and the House should 635 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 6: get along with each other. Goes If you're operating in 636 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 6: the House you only have a two seed majority, why 637 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 6: not cooperate with the other side and get somebody down 638 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 6: the middle. That's obviously not what we do. The same 639 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 6: is true in the Senate. We do things where just 640 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 6: having a one vote majority allows you or two seed 641 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 6: majority allows you do things that are really going to 642 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 6: be anathetical to the interest of the very significant minority. 643 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 6: It's a strange way to run a government, but that's 644 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 6: the system we now have. 645 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you worked in the White House a while ago. 646 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: Can you explain to us it seems like there's such 647 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: a shift, like so much of American politics was sort 648 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: of predicated on this kind of gentility that sort of 649 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: surrounded the job, and that kind of fell away in 650 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: sort of the advent of Newt Giningridge, and I think 651 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:51,719 Speaker 1: it's continued. 652 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 2: Is that correct? And do you notice that difference? 653 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 6: Yes? And now, remember we've had presidents who've been vilified 654 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 6: from the beginning. Washington was vilified as present that Jefferson. 655 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 6: People talked about his slave mistress while he was President 656 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 6: of United States. People have been vilifying presidents for quite 657 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 6: some time. I'd say the atmosphere in Washington today is 658 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 6: fairly bad, though, because people raise money in politics they 659 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 6: greater extent than ever, and you raise it from the 660 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 6: far left and the far right. There's very little money 661 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 6: to be raised by saying to somebody, I'm going to 662 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 6: do write something right down the middle, and I'm going 663 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 6: to have a compromise that's going to make everybody happy. 664 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 6: Nobody gives you money for that. Somebody on the far 665 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 6: left of the far right will give you money. So 666 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 6: it is a bizarre situation we have. Presidents are now 667 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 6: more vilified than ever, to some extent that they're always revilified, 668 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,920 Speaker 6: But now you have something called social media, and in 669 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 6: social media, everybody is an editor, everybody's an author, everybody's 670 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 6: an expert. And as a result, you've got more people 671 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 6: talking about what they don't like about the president we've 672 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 6: ever had before. 673 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: Right, I mean though, talking about something where you don't 674 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: like the president isn't necessarily making the president less good, right, 675 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: Like some of the discourse may be good, right. 676 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 6: Well, the scorts is always good, and you always want 677 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 6: people to talking about policies and what governments are doing, 678 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 6: because an effective democracy works and only have citizens really 679 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 6: participated and they're informed. But right now the vilification of 680 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 6: our leaders is awful, and probably some of that vilification 681 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 6: is leading the violence in many places. 682 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, it's so much of American politics. We saw 683 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: violence in the sixties and we've seen assassination attempts since then. 684 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: But I have been struck by how this spate of 685 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 2: violence is pretty new. Right. 686 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 6: Well, we have a lot of violence because we have 687 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 6: a lot of television shows that people see violence and 688 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,520 Speaker 6: it just make believe on television sometimes, but people get 689 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 6: caught up in it. Also, I have to be honest, 690 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 6: it's not that difficult to buy a gun in the 691 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 6: United States. I think we have more guns in the 692 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 6: United States than we have people. There's violence everywhere, but 693 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 6: take a country that where there's very few guns, like Japan. 694 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 6: Now the prime minister was assassinated not long ago, Prime 695 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 6: Minister Abbe, But generally you don't see a lot of 696 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 6: shootings in Japan and Europe. It's hard to get a 697 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 6: gun too, But the United States, we have a second Amendment, 698 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 6: and it kind of protects people's rights to own guns 699 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 6: as it's been interpreted by the Supreme Court. So it's 700 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 6: fairly violent society. You have to be very careful these days. 701 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: You've both worked in government and a business. 702 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Right now, there's this sort of moment where a lot 703 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: of wealthy people are supporting presidential candidate who will not 704 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: necessarily be a steward of the economy. I think that's 705 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: a fair assessment of Donald Trump. Are these wealthy people 706 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: supporting him just because of the tax cut or is 707 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: there more to it. 708 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 6: Well, there are wealthy people on both sides, to be honest, 709 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 6: But I would say a lot of business people worry 710 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 6: about their businesses, and I think they feel that there'll 711 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 6: be less regulation under Donald Trump, less ani trust enforcement 712 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 6: under Donald Trump, and lower taxes for business people and 713 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 6: corporation under Donald Trump. So I think that's one of 714 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 6: the reasons that they support him. I think some people 715 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 6: would say that they don't know Kamala Harris as well 716 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 6: as they know Donald Trump, and so some people were 717 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 6: worried about our positions. But you know, it's hard to 718 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 6: say why people are supporting people. My main point in 719 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 6: the book, though, is that you should learn about the presidents, 720 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 6: learn as much as you can, and actually vote. We 721 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 6: have one hundred and sixty million people who voted last 722 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 6: time in the presidential election, one hundred and sixty million, 723 00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 6: but eighty million people who are Americans did not vote, 724 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,480 Speaker 6: who are eligible to vote. Eighty million legal citizens who 725 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 6: have the right to vote did not vote. And I 726 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 6: think we'd have a better democracy of more people who 727 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,879 Speaker 6: could vote actually did vote. 728 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,760 Speaker 2: No question, And why do you think people don't vote? 729 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 6: Well? The electoral college system we have makes some people 730 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 6: think their vote is irrelevant. So let's suppose you're a 731 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 6: Republican living in California. You know your vote isn't going 732 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 6: to mean that much in the presidential election. Let's suppose 733 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 6: you're a Democrat living in Mississippi. Your vote isn't going 734 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 6: to mean that much in the presidential system. That's one factor. 735 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 6: Another factor is that for low income people sometimes it's 736 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 6: hard to get the voting polls, and some people don't 737 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 6: really know how to fill out the forms for right 738 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 6: end ballots, and some places are them making harder to 739 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 6: vote than it was before. I think some legislation was 740 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 6: passed a few years ago in some states which makes 741 00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 6: it much harder to do a right end vote or 742 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 6: something like that that. I think some people don't vote 743 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 6: because it's inconvenient. Some people don't vote because they think 744 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 6: their vote won't matter. Some people just don't care and 745 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 6: they just don't participate in government anyway. 746 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's also like a real legacy of Jim 747 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: Crow and disenfranchisement. Right, there are voters like, for example, 748 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: I think about Mississippi, Right, that's a state where there 749 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: should be way more representation of people of color than 750 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,319 Speaker 1: there is in the voting. So, I mean, do you 751 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: think there's more of an opportunity to legislate sort of 752 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: more protection for voters there. 753 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 6: Well, there have been efforts to legislate more protection, but 754 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 6: it's been turned down by the Supreme Court. As you know, 755 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court did some things that many people think 756 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,919 Speaker 6: were not helpful in the enforcement of the Voting Rights 757 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 6: Acts of nineteen sixty five, and that's the law of 758 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 6: the land now. Those faults to go around. But generally 759 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 6: people are not voting in the numbers you would want 760 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 6: them to vote. In other Western democracies, you have a 761 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 6: much higher percentage in almost every Western democracy than the 762 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,840 Speaker 6: United States of people voting. 763 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: I think of you as someone who's studied government a 764 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,840 Speaker 1: lot and talk to people. Right now, we have a 765 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. It's very uneven right at six ' three. 766 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: There are two justices. 767 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 2: One was sworn in was sort of Obama was denied 768 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 2: a justice by Mitch McConnell. He was sworn in right 769 00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: after the Trump election, and the other was sworn in 770 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 2: as people were voting for Biden. Do you think there's 771 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 2: a fix for the court, and if so, what do 772 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 2: you think would be the least disruptive. 773 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,319 Speaker 6: I think any change at this point is not likely 774 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 6: to occur. I just don't think Congress is going to 775 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 6: adopt any changes to the court. I think it's just 776 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 6: not realistic. In my judgment. President Biden has made some suggestions. 777 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 6: One of them is that after you've served I think 778 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 6: twenty years, you would no longer be eligible to serve 779 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 6: on the court. Some people to suggest age limits. It's 780 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 6: two partisan now, and I just don't think that the 781 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 6: people who are happy with the Supreme Court are going 782 00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 6: to support any changes in the foreseeable future. So if 783 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 6: you're a prominent Republican and you're happy with a Supreme Court, 784 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 6: you're not going to spport a shade is because right 785 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 6: now the court's doing what you are happy. 786 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 2: With, right. Can we talk about Chevron? Sure, So, Chevron is. 787 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: This decision that tried to sort of take expertise out 788 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: of the federal government right to make it so that 789 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:18,320 Speaker 1: experts weren't deciding the laws, that the judiciary could have 790 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: more power. That's a start of contrast to how it 791 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: was in the seventies and eighties. Can you explain to 792 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: us sort of the flip and sort of what you 793 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: think the future is with that. 794 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 6: Well, what you're referring to is there was a doctrine 795 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 6: that the Supreme Court had previously issued which said that 796 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 6: in deciding how to administer the laws, there should be 797 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 6: great deference to the federal administrators, the government agencies that 798 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 6: presumably have the expertise. The Supreme Court more recently has 799 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 6: said no, that difference this shouldn't be given because you 800 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,640 Speaker 6: really need to give the difference to members of Congress. 801 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 6: They were elected. And so that tends to make it 802 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 6: a little bit more political in the sense that if 803 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 6: you're deferring to members of Congress about what is appropriate 804 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 6: or not, and not deferring to the federal agencies, which 805 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,600 Speaker 6: are presumably civil service kinds of operations. Then you are 806 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 6: changing the outcome of administrative decisions. In other words, if 807 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 6: Republicans have the White House, Republicans have the Congress, they're 808 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,680 Speaker 6: going to have different views, it's thought, than the civil servants, 809 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 6: whom many believe are more democratic in their orientation. So 810 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 6: it's a big, big swing in terms of how the 811 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 6: outcome of regulations and laws are going to be interpreted. 812 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 2: What do you think about that. 813 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,240 Speaker 6: Well, it's a complicated issue. I'm not sure I'm expert 814 00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 6: enough to comment on it intelligently, but I think it's 815 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,960 Speaker 6: clearly the case that we were politicizing administrative decisions in 816 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 6: some ways, and it really depends on who's in power 817 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 6: to figure out whether you're going to do certain things 818 00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 6: or not. I think the federal government is a really 819 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,879 Speaker 6: complicated thing to run, and it's not easily run by 820 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,359 Speaker 6: in my view, some of the decisions that have been 821 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 6: made by legislators and others in recent years. But more 822 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,760 Speaker 6: complicated than just I can talk about right now. 823 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 1: Right when you are sort of looking back on the 824 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,480 Speaker 1: kind of presidents, who do you think is this sort 825 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: of deeply underrated president. 826 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 6: Well, okay, Harry Truman was underrated and he left office 827 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 6: very unpopular, and now he's seen as having been a 828 00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 6: pretty good president. My forward boss, Jimmy Carter left office 829 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,320 Speaker 6: under a crushing defeat by Ronald Reagan, and now people 830 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 6: recognize that some of the things he did, like the 831 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 6: Camp David Accords, the promoting of human rights to creating 832 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 6: the Department of Energy, Department of Education, civil Service reform, 833 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 6: Panama Canal Treaty were pretty good things to do. And 834 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 6: Carter's ex presidency has also made him fairly popular. As 835 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 6: we approach his one hundredth birthday, I think people are 836 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 6: reassessing Jimmy Carter, so some presidents become less popular. Woo 837 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 6: Joe Wilson was seen as a pretty great president at 838 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 6: the time that he was president and rafree left. But 839 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,600 Speaker 6: now we know that he had his wife really running 840 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 6: the country for eighteen months because he had a stroke 841 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,760 Speaker 6: that incapacitated him. And he also resegregated the federal workforce, 842 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 6: and we recognize now that he had some racist instincts 843 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 6: that were not good. You know, his reputation's going down. 844 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 6: Andrew Jackson's reputation is going down. He's now seen as 845 00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,319 Speaker 6: not a great leader of the Democratic Party, but a 846 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 6: man who was a race and that person who really 847 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 6: tried to kill a lot of Native Americans. 848 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think is sort of the most 849 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 1: important trait that a president should have. 850 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 6: Worrying about the country more than his or her own 851 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 6: personal well being, Having the ability to articulate what he 852 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 6: or she believes in an effective way. Being honest is 853 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 6: a good thing as well. I would say humility is 854 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,520 Speaker 6: also a virtue that I think Lincoln had and I 855 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,719 Speaker 6: think other great presidents have had, and I think that's 856 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,040 Speaker 6: something we should look at as well. But also a 857 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 6: person who really focuses on what is best for the 858 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,239 Speaker 6: country as opposed to what's best for me politically or personally. 859 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 6: Just making sure you've got somebody that really is focused 860 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 6: on the country. 861 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's been a really I think useful message in 862 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: the Harris campaign is to talk about how self centered 863 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: Trump is. 864 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,120 Speaker 6: Now. The Harris campaign is trying to do something it's 865 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 6: very difficult, which is to go for a running start. 866 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 6: Just a few months before the election, you know, it 867 00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 6: was generally thought that Joe Biden would be the nominee, 868 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,879 Speaker 6: and then all of a sudden She's asked to put 869 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 6: together a national campaign in a few weeks, which is 870 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 6: very hard to do. So it's not an easy task 871 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,560 Speaker 6: to undertake. And I you know, now, the polling data 872 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 6: is very close, and all the political experts that I 873 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 6: talk to tell me they can't tell me who's got 874 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 6: to be the next president United States. They also tell 875 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 6: me that it's not likely we'll know on Tuesday night 876 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 6: of the election day because absentee ballots doesn't really start 877 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 6: sometimes until the next day after the election. So we 878 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 6: could be not knowing who the president is or who 879 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 6: controls Congress for a week or two or three or 880 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 6: even longer. 881 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,879 Speaker 2: What do you think Harris could be doing that would 882 00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 2: be useful? That she's not doing. 883 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 6: Well, There is a general view that if she gave 884 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,759 Speaker 6: more interviews it would be good by some people. Remember, though, 885 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 6: the people that want interviews to most are the people 886 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,960 Speaker 6: in the press, right. You know, people aren't marching on 887 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,759 Speaker 6: Washington d C. I'm sitting on Pennsylvania Avenue as we talk. 888 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,880 Speaker 6: Nobody's marching down Pennsylvania Avenue is saying we want more 889 00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,879 Speaker 6: Kamala Harris interviews. And that's not a marching kind of issue. So, yeah, 890 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 6: I think it would be not a terrible thing to 891 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 6: give more interviews, but I think she's doing more now. 892 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,359 Speaker 6: In that regard, the most important thing we should do 893 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 6: is try to make sure that everybody votes, people get informed. 894 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 6: I think in her case, being more public about her 895 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 6: positions will probably help her with the Business Committee. The 896 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 6: Business Committee is more worried about her than maybe they 897 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,120 Speaker 6: should be. I think a Donald Trump's case, I think 898 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 6: he's got to be more forthcoming about what he plans 899 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 6: to do as president, because he said he doesn't support 900 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 6: the twenty twenty five program that the Heritage Foundation came 901 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 6: up with. But if he doesn't support that, then he 902 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 6: should be more forthcoming about what he would like to do. 903 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, David, all right. 904 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 6: Thank you very much. 905 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 4: I appreciate it. 906 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 2: No moments. 907 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 3: Jesse Cannon, Malli Jung Fast, I gotta tell you, I'm heartbroken. 908 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,839 Speaker 3: I believe to Elon Musk that he was a free 909 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:46,239 Speaker 3: speech absolutist because when he says something, he's always taught 910 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 3: the truth that he never contradicts it. But I saw 911 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 3: that after ken Klippenstein posts JD. Vantz's Apple research file, 912 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 3: he banned him. 913 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: Ken Klippenstein is an independent journalized finally out of the 914 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,600 Speaker 1: annoyance of the fact that no one in the mainstream 915 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,880 Speaker 1: media was publishing this hacked material. It was Jadie Vance's 916 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: oppo file. There's other stuff that leaked and nobody was 917 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,240 Speaker 1: publishing it. Because now people have decided not to publish 918 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: hacked material. I think the Clinton campaign from twenty sixteen 919 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 1: with like a word, but what's interesting? 920 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: I think about this story two things. 921 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 1: One is Clippenstein then gets banned or gets suspended from 922 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: X because Elon must doesn't really care about free speech. 923 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:35,160 Speaker 1: He really just cares about helping his people, right elevating Trump. 924 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,240 Speaker 2: And then the other. 925 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: Thing, which I think is sort of interesting about it, 926 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,520 Speaker 1: is there's just not a lot of new. 927 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,840 Speaker 2: Stuff in the oppo file. It's a lot of stuff 928 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 2: we've seen. 929 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: So that makes a little more sense as to why 930 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: they're not publishing it is that it's just not so 931 00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: interesting anyway. It's still very annoying to those of us 932 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 1: who lived through twenty sixteen. And we'll see if Ken 933 00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,040 Speaker 1: gets taken back on X. 934 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 3: It's mostly just not interesting because it seems the Harris 935 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,719 Speaker 3: team did such a job finding most of the stuff, 936 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:03,360 Speaker 3: and they've outed most of it already. 937 00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:03,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 938 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: I mean I also just think, like with all of 939 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: this stuff, like with the Mark Robinson stuff in North Carolina, 940 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,160 Speaker 1: it's all stuff we kind of thought. 941 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 2: It's just a little worse. 942 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 3: Pats the picture a little bit brighter of all the 943 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,040 Speaker 3: bad things he says about women. 944 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 2: It's not a surprise to anyone paying attention. 945 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure it's a big surprise to all the 946 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 3: people who whined about Hunter Biden's laptop being sensorted on Twitter. 947 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 2: I don't think they care. 948 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 949 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,040 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds 950 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you 951 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend 952 00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.