1 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to a new episode of Couch 2 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: Talks on You Need Therapy Podcast. My name is kat 3 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: I am the host and if you don't know what 4 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: couch Talks is, it is the special bonus episode of 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: You Need Therapy Podcast where Ikat answer questions that listeners 6 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,640 Speaker 1: like you send to Katherine at you Need Therapy podcast 7 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: dot com. Now, quick reminder before we get into today's 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: question that this podcast does not serve as a replacement 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: or substitute for any mental health services. However, we always 10 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,400 Speaker 1: hope that they can help you in some way, and 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: again if you're new, just like a what is a 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: lay of the land? I think that's what they say. 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: Lay of the land of how this works is I 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: read questions like I said that you guys send, and 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: I always keep them anonymous, so that means you can 16 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: send me your questions knowing nobody will know that it's 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: you that sent your question in. And what I love 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: about that is most of the time somebody out there 19 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: listening will also relate to your question, and so you 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: are sending a question in for yourself, but you also 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: are helping other people out in the process, and I 22 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: just think that's really special, So today we are going 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: to do a normal episode. I'm just going to do 24 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: one question and then we're going to talk about it. 25 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: So let's get into it. Here is today's question. Hey, 26 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: kat I recently had an experience that I don't think 27 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: I handled the best way, and I was hoping to 28 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: get your insight in case it happens again in the future, 29 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: because I have a feeling it will. I recently got 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: in a pretty huge fight with one of my friends. 31 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,919 Speaker 1: The fight itself is not that important, but it happened 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 1: right before a big celebration for one of our other friends. 33 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: This meant that during the celebration for a huge life milestone, 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: we were not speaking. You could cut the tension with 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: a knife. But I was so hurt that I did 36 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: not feel comfortable trying to mend things before or during 37 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: the event itself. Turns out now, all that I remember 38 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: from that night that was supposed to be full of 39 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: love and fun is that I was extremely uncomfortable and angry. 40 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: We have since mended things, and I'm starting to feel 41 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: okay about the original situation, but I guess I am 42 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: disappointed in how I handled things. I do believe I 43 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,239 Speaker 1: needed time to cool down and time to be angry. 44 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: But I hate that it affected other people's lives and 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: it affected an experience that I was looking forward to. 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: In these kinds of situations, would you advise people to 47 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: kind of nip things in the bud and smooth things over, 48 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: or what is worse not having an appropriate time before 49 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: approaching a conversation after a fight or ruining a party 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: you were looking forward to love a stubborn and also 51 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: confused friend. So I appreciate this question because this is 52 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: a very specific situation to you. But I think a 53 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: lot of us have had situations where we've had some 54 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of conflict come up and then interfew with another 55 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: part of our lives, whether that is a big event, 56 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: or maybe it's a smaller event, maybe it's just day 57 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: to day at work. Maybe it is something that has 58 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: to do with family, that holiday, a vacation, something like that. 59 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: So a lot of people are going to relate to 60 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: this experience, and I think a lot of people were 61 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: taught to just kind of brush it onder the rug 62 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: and ignore it, because you know, that's better than sitting 63 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: in the discomfort of having those feelings during that event, 64 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: or sitting in the discomfort of actually having a conversation. 65 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times, well, what I'm hearing 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: from you is it was really more so that you 67 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: weren't ready to have that conversation yet you need time 68 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: to feel your feelings. A lot of times this stuff 69 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: happens because people just don't want to sit in the 70 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: discomfort of the conversation or sit in the discomfort of 71 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: their feelings. And I also want to say, it sounds 72 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: like you already know the answer to this for you 73 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: think this answer is not a one size fits all. 74 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: It's different based on who you are and what you need. 75 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: But maybe what you need is just a little more permission, 76 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: or just a permission in general to accept that you 77 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: know what you want in these types of situations, or 78 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: you know what you want or what you would do 79 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: if this thing happened again, maybe with a specific friend 80 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: or maybe with a specific friend group. So I want 81 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,359 Speaker 1: to just put that out there that it's okay to 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: choose what you think is best for you without having 83 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: somebody else validate it, because a lot of times our 84 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: gut knows and what's right for one person might not 85 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: be what is right for another person. And so I 86 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: want you to take any feedback that you hear from me, 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 1: knowing that it's okay for you also to not agree 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: with it, which is a little contradictory for me. Even 89 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: answering this question, I'm like, you know what you need, 90 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: and I'm going to tell you something different. I don't 91 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: know if this is different, but if it is, I 92 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: don't want you to take it as the end all 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 1: be all. You're allowed to take parts of what I say. 94 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 1: And that's kind of my point in answering this question, 95 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: is what if there isn't just one solution and they're 96 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: really is more so a choice that you can get 97 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: on board with the most or a choice that gives 98 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: you the most of what you need? Is there a 99 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: blending of the two? Does it have to be we 100 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: kind of nip this in the bud and we kind 101 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: of hash it out and get over it, or we 102 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: just have all of our feelings in the forefront of 103 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: our experience of this event that we both were at 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 1: and we don't get to really enjoy it. And it 105 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: sounds like it might have affected other people's experience as well, 106 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: because they know that there's tension and it maybe it's 107 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: just not as like light and care free as you 108 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: want that event to be so it doesn't have to 109 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: be one or the other. I wonder if there is 110 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: some kind of compromise for the moment and then you 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: have space and time to really get it what it 112 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: is that you need. Because sometimes it is true, and 113 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: we rush conversations around conflict, it feels more so I 114 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 1: just want to smooth things over, versus I really want 115 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: to mend this conflict, or I really want to talk 116 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,559 Speaker 1: about what it is that happened. It just is really 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: I just want to talk about this so we can 118 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: both say I'm okay, you're okay, and then we can 119 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: move on. And that sometimes is just as damaging, I 120 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: think is the right word, or unhelpful as sweeping things 121 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: under the rug, because you're more focused on getting to 122 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: the endpoint of everybody being okay than really having an 123 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: understanding for what it is that you guys both needed 124 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: in that conflict. So is there a way for you, 125 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: guys to or for you specifically to kind of get 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 1: something in the meantime that allows you to be more 127 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: present at these events and then later on you have 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: time and space to have that conversation. And maybe all 129 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: that is is saying, hey, I know we just had 130 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: this fight. I'm really angry, and I imagine you might 131 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: be angry. I don't know exactly what you're feeling. I'm 132 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: not ready to fully talk about this, but I do 133 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: want to see if you're okay with putting this beside 134 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: us or put to the side for this event and 135 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: maybe in the next week or so, or however it 136 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: takes you, guys to get to the point where you 137 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: are ready to talk, then we'll meet and really talk 138 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: about what it is that we need. So what do 139 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: we need right now to just be present at this 140 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: event and show up for our friends. And I also 141 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: want to really work on this in the future so 142 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: then it's not rushed. And then you also don't have 143 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: to like give the person the silent treatment, because we've 144 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: all had those experiences where you know somebody isn't well. 145 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: I can't say we all, but a lot of us 146 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: have had those experiences where somebody is giving something the 147 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: silent treatment and it's just uncomfortable. I mean, I would 148 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: admit I have been the person that has given people 149 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: the silent treatment and it is uncomfortable, and it just 150 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't just take something away from my experience 151 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: is it takes something away from the people's experience around me, 152 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: and that always isn't fair and it always isn't necessary. 153 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: So is there a way for us to kind of 154 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: just put this to the side. And this is where 155 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: compartmentalizing isn't always a bad thing. It can really help 156 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: you have a really good experience at these events. And 157 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: then still we're not forgetting about it. We are not 158 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: locking up in a box, we are not brushing under 159 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: the rug. We are putting it to the side to 160 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: focus on something that is more important in the moment, 161 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: and then we're going to come back to it because 162 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: it is also still important. And you want to be 163 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: allowed to have your feelings. So this doesn't mean you 164 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: have to be okay with them. It doesn't mean you 165 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: have to not have feelings. It doesn't mean you have 166 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: to not be angry. It doesn't mean that you have 167 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: to not need things. It's I'm going to have this 168 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: conversation in the future and show up as best I 169 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: can right now. And again, like I said, this doesn't 170 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: have to be the answer for everybody, But I like 171 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: sometimes when we are polarizing things, or when it feels 172 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: like we are being forced to choose one thing or 173 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: the other, really wondering and questioning, being curious if there 174 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 1: is an option see that blends things, and it might 175 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: not be the perfect option. That's what keeps us stuck 176 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: a lot. Right, nothing is perfect. Nothing one hundred percent 177 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: gives me what I need? Okay, well, what gives me 178 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: the most of what I need? What allows me the 179 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: most of what I want? I want to have fun 180 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: at this party. I also really want time and space 181 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: to feel things, and I want time and space to 182 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: have a real conversation about this. So rather than forcing 183 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 1: something and rushing something, can I allow space and time 184 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,839 Speaker 1: right now, take a pause on this and then come 185 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: back to it. It's hard, I say it, like, just 186 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: don't feel your feelings for you know, an hour at 187 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: that party. I'm not saying that, I feel like sometimes 188 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: this kind of conversation can get misconstrued. But can you 189 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: have a conversation where you're acknowledging, Hey, we're still both 190 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: feeling a little not so great about what happened. Let's 191 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: show up the best we can for ourselves and our friends, 192 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: and let's do this later. This is a situation that 193 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: we want to make ideal, but it's not ideal because 194 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: we are humans. We have fights and arguments and conflict 195 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: and it interferes with parts of our lives and that 196 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: also is part of living our lives. Is that stuff 197 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: coming up. So I hope that was helpful. As always, 198 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: if you guys have any feedback, questions, comments, anything, you 199 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: can send them to Katherine at You Need Therapy Podcast. 200 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: You can follow me Kat van Buren on Instagram and 201 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: at You Need Therapy Podcast. And I went back with 202 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: you guys on Monday. Until then, I hope you have 203 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: the day you need to have