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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: All right, here we are middle of the week. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker here in

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Speaker 2: our usual spots and obviously talking draft as we have

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Speaker 2: been for the better part of the last month and

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Speaker 2: a half, and plenty to discuss because things continue to happen.

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Speaker 2: Today is the last day, Steve of pre draft visits.

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Speaker 2: This is the deadline, a mere eight days before Draft night,

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Speaker 2: and ESPN or NFL Networks Ian Rapaport is reporting that

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Speaker 2: the Bills are hosting a player today. Yeah, on the

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Speaker 2: last day. Deontay Banks, the cornerback from Maryland. So projected

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Speaker 2: to be a late first round pick. So that's pretty interesting.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've talked about it a lot already, Steve.

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Speaker 2: What's the likelihood of the Bill staying put, moving up,

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Speaker 2: trading back. We heard Brandon Bean address the media yesterday

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Speaker 2: saying he thinks it's more likely that they trade back,

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Speaker 2: but wouldn't rule out a move up the board, which

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Speaker 2: he has more of a history of doing. He has

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Speaker 2: never traded back in round one as the GM of

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Speaker 2: the Bills. He has traded up three times in his

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Speaker 2: six years overseeing drafts for the Bill. So if you're

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Speaker 2: forced to stay there and a player the caliber of

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Speaker 2: Deontay Banks is sitting there, it's someone you're gonna have

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Speaker 2: to consider, even though you just went cornerback in the

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Speaker 2: first round last year.

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Speaker 3: There's gonna be some guys there that Bills fans are

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Speaker 3: gonna want a lot of Bills fans are gonna have

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Speaker 3: their favorite. We all have our favorites, and some of

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Speaker 3: our favorites are gonna be available more than one of

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Speaker 3: our favorites. I would imagine you and I talked about it.

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Speaker 3: We have a Bills by the Numbers is coming out

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Speaker 3: later today or tomorrow, and we talk about how the

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Speaker 3: draft board falls. There's always somebody there that's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: we can get that guy, let's get him, and then

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Speaker 3: they pick somebody else. Bill. I mean everybody, every team

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Speaker 3: does that, every fan base, every club. So that's kind

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Speaker 3: of where we're sitting. And you see these guys come in,

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Speaker 3: it's like Deonte Banks, all right, I can get behind that,

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Speaker 3: you know a little bit. He's a good player. Any

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Speaker 3: one of these guys we get at twenty seven, there's

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Speaker 3: gonna be some pressure to see him, Like there was

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Speaker 3: last year with Elm like there has been with with

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Speaker 3: you know, other first round picks. Ed you get down

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Speaker 3: the list Rousseau, Yeah, it's you know, you want to

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Speaker 3: see these guys and you want to see him fast. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and they and they, and there's reason to believe they

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Speaker 3: should be on the field.

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Speaker 2: I will say that just for those that aren't terribly

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Speaker 2: familiar with Deontay Banks. Six feet one ninety seven ran

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Speaker 2: a four to three five at the combine, one four

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Speaker 2: to five split, forty two inch vertical, eleven foot four

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Speaker 2: broad jump, all good numbers there, and he has the

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Speaker 2: athleticism and deep speed from what I saw on tape

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Speaker 2: to plaster throughout the route, gets his hands in the

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Speaker 2: passing lanes a lot at a lot of PBUs probably

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Speaker 2: should have more interceptions, but more often than not it's

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Speaker 2: because he just doesn't get his head around fast enough.

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Speaker 4: That's coachable as I see it.

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Speaker 2: That's a fixable thing and really good in run support,

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Speaker 2: which we know coach McDermott Covetz in his corners run

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Speaker 2: support is a must. And he's got the size to

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Speaker 2: kind of match up with the bigger, taller white out

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Speaker 2: so that's why he is widely considered a first round

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Speaker 2: prospect later in the first round, but down in that

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Speaker 2: territory where the Bills figure to be picking, provided they

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Speaker 2: stay where they are.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's twenty seven, so.

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Speaker 3: The range of evaluations from one team to the next

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Speaker 3: and from all thirty two teams is vast. So that's

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Speaker 3: why you get so you know, caught by teams like

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Speaker 3: last year, and we keep talking about it, like last

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Speaker 3: year when the Patriots take Cold Strange in the first round,

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Speaker 3: and he was for most teams he was a third

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So.

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Speaker 3: You know, you talk about you know, how these teams evaluate,

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Speaker 3: there's vast differences. So somebody is gonna slip down there

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Speaker 3: to the Buffalo Bills at twenty seven, or get close

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Speaker 3: guys where he thinks that guy could step on the

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Speaker 3: only way you jump up right. That guy's gonna we

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Speaker 3: help us and it's a really good team the Bills have.

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Speaker 3: That happens, he's I gotta go get him. And there

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Speaker 3: are other teams who were like, I'm not going on.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't jump, I wouldn't flip flop picks for that guy. Right,

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Speaker 3: That's just the way it is, and that's why there's

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Speaker 3: so uncertainty, so much uncertainty. You got guys like Deontay

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Speaker 3: Banks showing up. You got defensive tackles showing up on visits,

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Speaker 3: you got edge rushers showing up on visits out here, linebackers,

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Speaker 3: you never know that. That's the fun of it. I

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Speaker 3: can't wait for a week from tomorrow night. We had

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Speaker 3: to tell them how many how many trades did they

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Speaker 3: have last year?

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Speaker 4: Nine?

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Speaker 3: Nine first round trades the night of the draft.

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Speaker 2: There were not even some leading up to the draft

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Speaker 2: before it even started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, forget all the forget all the leading up like today,

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Speaker 3: now that you know the Dolphins don't have a first

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Speaker 3: round pick, forget all that stuff. That means once the

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Speaker 3: light comes on and you know Carolina is on the clock,

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Speaker 3: nine trades. I think it's the most compelling live television

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Speaker 2: Well, it is because it's reality television played out live

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Speaker 2: in real time. Nothing is contrived because you got thirty

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Speaker 2: two teams competing to improve themselves.

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Speaker 3: They staged the whole thing and nobody knows what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, and that's why it's as good as it is.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I.

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Speaker 2: I think, I think with the wide range and I try.

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Speaker 2: I asked Brandon Bean about this yesterday.

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Speaker 4: I said, Look, there is.

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Speaker 2: There is the general perception out there that the range

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Speaker 2: of draft grades on prospects is even more wide ranging

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Speaker 2: than it usually is. There is always going to be

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Speaker 2: a range of grades because one player may fit what

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Speaker 2: a team does better than the other team, and so

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Speaker 2: the team that he fits is going to naturally give

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Speaker 2: him a higher grade than the team that doesn't believe

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Speaker 2: he fits what they do defensively, offensively, schematically, whatever. So

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Speaker 2: that's why there is a range of grades to begin with.

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Speaker 2: But it's the skill sets of the player this year,

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Speaker 2: especially like at the receiver position, where some teams absolutely

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Speaker 2: oh man, is he gonna hold up?

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Speaker 4: Is durable enough? He's tiny? We need big guys outside.

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Speaker 2: This guy's a slot only I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: want to play, And so because of that.

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Speaker 4: You can view it one of two ways. As a GM.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, that's either an enormous opportunity because there

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Speaker 2: might be somebody you have a solid draft grade on

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Speaker 2: in round one and there might only be eight other

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Speaker 2: teams that feel similarly. Well, now that's a guy that

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Speaker 2: At the same time, you gotta be a little wary

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Speaker 2: and there might be five teams in the top of

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Speaker 2: they like him just as much as you do. And

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Speaker 2: now it's just like, oh boy, we're gonna get a

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Speaker 2: leap frogged.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: That danger always exists in every draft, but I think

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Speaker 2: it is even more prevalent this year because of the

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Speaker 2: uncertainty as to who's got who graded how high. So

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Speaker 2: I think it's an advantage and something you got to

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Speaker 4: At the same time. That's a weird way to go

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Speaker 4: into a draft, isn't it so much?

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Speaker 3: Yes, So much of the draft is about measurables. It

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Speaker 3: used to be all about measurables because they didn't spend

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Speaker 3: to go get to know these guys. You know, as

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Speaker 3: the league has gotten more lucrative, it's gotten more lucrative everywhere,

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Speaker 3: they've spent more money on evaluations where they go in

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Speaker 3: and they bring these guys in talk to them. They

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Speaker 3: get him on a whiteboard and say, what do you

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Speaker 3: think of this? What do you what's your assignment here?

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Speaker 3: What do you do here? They talked to him. It

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Speaker 3: used to be it was like playing cards. You didn't

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Speaker 3: know what that other guy had. You didn't know. You said,

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Speaker 3: well he looks good on tape, Okay, grab him. Then

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Speaker 3: you get in there and the guy doesn't speak English.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm exaggerating to make a point, but that's

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Speaker 3: kind of thing you're looking at. Now. They crawl inside

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Speaker 3: this guy's high school coach's mind, Well, what kind of

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Speaker 3: player was he? What do he do? Was he like?

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Speaker 3: now the measurables are like kicked down a little bit,

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Speaker 3: but there's still this conversation. And I'm a guy like that.

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Speaker 3: I was a guy, you know, my measurables were limited, right,

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing, there's always the conversation of where

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Speaker 3: the limit is, how small or light or tall or

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Speaker 3: thin can a guy be and be effective in the

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Speaker 3: position you want him to play. We're talking about running

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Speaker 3: back today. Deuce Vaughan, Kansas State productive player, pillar of

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Speaker 3: that team, Kansas State team that went to a bowl game,

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Speaker 3: was in the conversation for the whole thing until about

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Speaker 3: halfway through the season they were doing it. The guy's

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Speaker 3: five to five, yeah, five to five.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was looking at highlights to day for running back

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Speaker 3: a chain devon a chain.

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Speaker 4: But he is fat.

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, that guy is like I'm I'm watching

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Speaker 3: him and I'm going you can't even say, wow, this

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Speaker 3: guy's this guy's explosive, this guy can burn it. You

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Speaker 3: just gotta say wow, he's he's really fast. He's really fast.

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Speaker 4: So but he's five eight one eight, Yeah, you get

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Speaker 3: Okay, great, all right, this guy. Look at this guy

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Speaker 3: over here, he's six ' nine. What he's Yeah, he's

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Speaker 3: six ' nine yeah, that sounds good. But he's always

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Speaker 3: a buck eighty, you know, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: But if they but if their measurables aren't great, but

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Speaker 2: they test exceptionally well, there are teams out there that

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Speaker 2: will make the exception.

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Speaker 3: You get a guy five five or five six, five seven,

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Speaker 3: five eight. Remember Robert Neuhouse, the old Dallas Cowboys fullback.

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Speaker 3: He was like five nine, five ten, and he's a fullback.

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Speaker 3: But he would fill up a doorway from the door

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Speaker 3: knob down. You know, he was fire hut.

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Speaker 4: He was packed.

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Speaker 3: But that's what you gotta look at, and you look

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Speaker 3: at their film and stuff, and then you gotta ask yourself, Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he can play. He's a great dude kind of guy

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Speaker 3: you want. But when I hand him the football, am

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Speaker 3: I going to be able to do it ten times

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Speaker 3: a game and have him play seventeen full games in

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Speaker 4: Up another Kansas State guy by this way, right?

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Speaker 3: Can he hold up? Can he physically last seventeen games

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Speaker 3: And then you get other guys all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: just never know. But that's what you got to ask yourself.

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Speaker 3: And the conversation has changed over the years, right, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, eight o three oh five fifty the number to

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Speaker 4: Five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about a trade up scenario for the Bills.

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Speaker 2: We saw them do it just last year, trading up

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Speaker 4: So the question for you today is.

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Speaker 2: What prospect would prompt you to trade up like the

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Speaker 2: Who would prompt you to trade up two spots like

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Speaker 4: The number to get on board.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to the phones now, and leading us off

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Speaker 2: today is Chuck in Hamburg.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for us?

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Speaker 3: Chuck?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just said a quick question thurither you or Steve? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I understand everything that goes on at the combine as

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Speaker 2: It measures?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, it's about explosiveness, Chuck. It's an explosiveness measurement.

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Speaker 3: They think it correlates to how fast you can accelerate

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Speaker 3: That's why they do it that way. And they also

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Speaker 2: They do the ten yard split to measure explosiveness. That's

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Speaker 2: most important for pass rushers defensive tackles because that ten

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Speaker 3: It's like the shortest race you can run, and you

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Speaker 3: that's basically what it is. It's the shortest split time

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Speaker 3: measure in distance. That's kind of what it is. It's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So hopefully that helps, Uh, Chuck, Let's go to

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Speaker 2: Doug in Buffalo next.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for his?

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Speaker 4: You're on one Bill's Live, Steve.

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Speaker 6: I was wondering if you could tell me what kind

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Speaker 6: to a front of a kid I've known since he

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Speaker 6: and he's a long snapper. He was captain of their

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Speaker 6: you did your look to look them up. He was

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing, here's what here's all I know

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Speaker 3: You're right that the injury hurts him, no question. I've

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Speaker 3: you're being from?

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Speaker 2: He's okay, but he went to Cathedral Prep, which is

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Speaker 3: Right, So yeah, there's a these teams will know him.

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Speaker 3: I tell kids this all the time. My son actually

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Speaker 3: And that's what bo Bauer is up against. You go

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Speaker 3: And that's when it becomes important. It doesn't it doesn't

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Speaker 3: whether it's Notre Dame or you be, they'll find you.

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Speaker 3: So bo Bauer is on the radar of all of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think the general consensus is the injury

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Speaker 4: It's bad timing, it's.

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Speaker 4: I'll say this some team.

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Speaker 3: I'll say this though, for if Bo was here, I

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Speaker 3: they're not going to draft it. They may not, but

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Speaker 3: hundreds of guys have probably done that. It's not going

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Speaker 3: he's going to be an NFL player. This an injury

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Speaker 3: will say it may you may not have the great

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Speaker 3: if you can be an NFL linebacker, you're still going

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones and we go to

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Speaker 8: Sato Hey Dan, So you're talking about guys five to

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Speaker 8: five playing seventeen games. I was telling a friend of

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Speaker 8: built to play twenty twenty one games. And even five

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Speaker 8: I've done the math for Super Bowls. He played the

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Speaker 8: I'll hang up and listen to your comments on a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard. You're right. It's not getting easier to play,

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Speaker 3: despite what you hear about got you know the game

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Speaker 3: being softer. The game is not softer, it's just safer.

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Speaker 3: There's a difference. These guys are playing at a very

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Speaker 3: and you're right. Seventeen games is the regular season I

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Speaker 3: and then add three preseason games onto that. Most of

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Speaker 3: twenty four games, and you're right, we did that for

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Speaker 3: a drag. So it is a real thing. Durability is

438
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Speaker 3: a real concern for a lot of teams, and the

439
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: smaller and lighter you are, the less your chances of

440
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Speaker 3: being able to sustain the collisions and the physicality of

441
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Speaker 3: the game. Velocity is off the charts because all these

442
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Speaker 3: guys are really really fast. So if you're a guy

443
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Speaker 3: that's a buck eighty five like I was, and you're

444
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Speaker 3: getting hit by a pretty fast three hundred pounder, that's

445
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Speaker 3: a lot of momentum and a lot of inertia that

446
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Speaker 3: goes right through you. You got to be able to

447
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Speaker 3: stand up to it, and a lot of guys can't.

448
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Speaker 3: That's why the comp we were talking about. The conversation

449
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Speaker 3: has always had what is the smallest you can be

450
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Speaker 3: and still play?

451
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Speaker 4: You know, there are exceptions, but not a lot of them.

452
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Speaker 3: You can be tough, but that doesn't make you durable.

453
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Speaker 3: You can. Everybody plays hurt. Everybody's tough to a certain extent.

454
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Speaker 3: That means playing with discomfort. You know you're going to

455
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Speaker 3: be able to shake off a hurt or play when

456
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Speaker 3: you're not feeling really good because you got you know,

457
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Speaker 3: you got your knee or your ankle or whatever you

458
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Speaker 3: name it. Something got whacked. You got to live with

459
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Speaker 3: it for a couple of weeks while it heels up.

460
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Speaker 3: You can play through that, and that means, you know,

461
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Speaker 3: kind of a tough guy to do that. But that

462
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Speaker 3: doesn't mean you can play with a busted leg. I

463
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Speaker 3: don't care how tough you are. I ain't happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, So.

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Speaker 3: That's the conversation that always happens, and that's the line

466
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Speaker 3: that is ever changing about how small can you be

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Speaker 3: to play in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: And as the game changed with rules changes protecting the

469
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Speaker 2: safety of players, particularly receivers, to allow more smaller receivers

470
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Speaker 2: to have fruitful careers that lasts longer than maybe they

471
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Speaker 2: did ten twelve years ago. Well, then that widens the

472
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Speaker 2: range on an NFL team or a personnel staff is

473
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Speaker 2: going to evaluate a prospect differently.

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Speaker 4: All the rules are different.

475
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Speaker 2: They can't get tagged across the middle anymore, can't hit

476
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Speaker 2: a guy in the head or neck area. You know

477
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Speaker 2: what I mean, concussions, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

478
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's still a collision sport, but it is

479
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 2: a far safer game. So does that open the door

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Speaker 2: for more diminutive receivers in stature to get higher grades

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Speaker 2: in the draft.

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Speaker 3: And here's another thing too, Some teams won't do it

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Speaker 3: until they see another team do it. All right, Wes

484
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 3: Welker came in, had a great career. You know, Don

485
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Speaker 3: Beebee comes in, Hank Bauer back in the seventies, lou

486
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: pecone back in the eighties with the with the Bills.

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Speaker 3: There are guys of our statue, ranne Qrebbett, Wayne Krebbet.

488
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Speaker 3: You know, you can go down the list now of

489
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Speaker 3: guys that you start seeing it more and more and

490
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Speaker 3: you just said darren Sprolls. You know, I said, Robert Neuhause.

491
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Speaker 3: Guys throughout the you know, every decade you'll see guys, yeah,

492
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Speaker 3: beat those odds and be really productive players and you know,

493
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Speaker 3: be able to do it. And then other teams say, well, okay,

494
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Speaker 3: he did it, and I see it in that guy

495
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 3: was killing us for about you know, his career.

496
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Speaker 2: Welker's career was cut short by concussions. Crebet Corbett's career

497
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Speaker 2: was cut short by concussions bbes. So now, right, but

498
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Speaker 2: now you have a safer game. I think we can

499
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Speaker 2: all agree on that. On the rule change, better helmets

500
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 2: and so, defenders have had to play differently. They can't

501
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Speaker 2: play as violently or as aggressively head and neck area hits,

502
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 2: defenseless receivers and the like. And I would venture to

503
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Speaker 2: guess that it has changed the way personnel evaluators evaluate receivers.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why you're seeing a guy like

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Speaker 4: Zay Flowers who could be a.

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Speaker 2: First round pick. Maybe he's not a first round pick

507
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Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. He's a late day two pick. Why,

508
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Speaker 2: primarily because of his size. Now, there's always as we said,

509
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Speaker 2: there's always going to be exceptions. Marvin Harrison is an

510
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Speaker 2: example of that. That guy played in a more violent

511
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: NFL and was still a first round draft choice. But

512
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Speaker 2: I think they are graded and evaluated differently because the

513
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Speaker 2: sport is safer. Let's go back to the phones and

514
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Speaker 2: to Dennis in North Carolina. As we are asking you today,

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Speaker 2: what prospect would you trade up a couple of spots

516
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Speaker 2: to take for the Bills. Dennis in North Carolina's next,

517
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Speaker 2: what do you got for his? Dennis?

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Speaker 7: Hey, I would love to say Buffalo trade up and

519
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 7: take Jalen Hyatt. The reason is because love receivers I

520
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 7: think are on one year contracts, and jala High has

521
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Speaker 7: really good speed, and it would be really cool if

522
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Speaker 7: you know this is not going to happen, but let's say, uh,

523
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Speaker 7: drafty Henn, a hooker from Tennessee.

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Speaker 9: I know, I know other team's.

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Speaker 7: Gonna get him before Buffalo, of course, but I mean,

526
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Speaker 7: look how good he does for Tennessee. His the offense

527
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Speaker 7: he ran and let Jars groove him, or to have

528
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Speaker 7: an emergency backup. I think that would be really cool, all.

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Speaker 4: Right, Dennis, not bad.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm willing to move up for a receiver

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Speaker 2: that I like, my guy isn't Jalen Hyatt. And I

532
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: know we can't really trust the mock drafts, but more

533
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Speaker 2: often than not, Jalen Hyatt's going toward the end of

534
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Speaker 2: round one, even early round two. So you may not

535
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Speaker 2: even have to trade up for that guy. But that's

536
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Speaker 2: a you know, I don't mind that pick.

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Speaker 3: I say this though, I'm looking at a website now

538
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Speaker 3: it's got Jalen Hyatt is the number three wide receiver.

539
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Speaker 4: In the entire draft varies and we won't know.

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Speaker 3: And he's six foot yeah, but he's slight, he's one

541
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Speaker 3: hundred and seventy five pounds.

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Speaker 2: He can fly limited row trees, so you don't know,

543
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Speaker 2: you know, how versatile the receiver is he in terms

544
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: of route running ability? You know, when he's only running corners,

545
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: posts and goes, you know, it's kind of hard to ascertain.

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Speaker 4: Hey, can this guy win over the middle?

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Speaker 3: You know?

548
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Speaker 4: Can he the double move people?

549
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 2: You know he's usually just getting behind the defense and

550
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: then bombs away.

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00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing about there's certain skills coaches feel like

552
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: they can teach, and there's certain skills that coaches know

553
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: that a player can improve himself. And then there's certain

554
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 3: things that you know just are what they are. A

555
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 3: skill that a player can a skill that a coach

556
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 3: can teach and a player can really work on. Is

557
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: route running. A player can learn to run routes. You

558
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: can do it. It's it's a skill and it's something

559
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 3: that you just practice. You get coaching on, you practice it,

560
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: you go through the take same thing, same thing with

561
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 3: catching the ball. You go out and you catch the ball,

562
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: you catch the jugs machine, you do it. You can

563
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 3: work on certain skills and some teams and I know

564
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Speaker 3: this is just one more layer to this onion. We've

565
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Speaker 3: been talking about how things are different for every team.

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Speaker 3: Some teams have more faith in their ability to make

567
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Speaker 3: guys better than other teams do, and some teams have

568
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Speaker 3: more have less faith in their ability to do that,

569
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Speaker 3: or don't think about that. If the guy's not gonna

570
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Speaker 3: be good, we're not gonna take him. You know, they

571
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: don't think about the development of a player as much

572
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Speaker 3: as other teams do. And when you talk to a kid,

573
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Speaker 3: you get the idea, Wow, this kid really wants to

574
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Speaker 3: be a lot better. He wants to get better. He's

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Speaker 3: gonna work at this. Then you get other kids that

576
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Speaker 3: it's like, oh he is what he's gonna be this

577
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Speaker 3: guy for his entire career. All of that goes into

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Speaker 3: the onion, and it's one more layer you have to

579
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Speaker 3: sift through. But they're like route running. Some of these

580
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 3: kids will come out and they won't be good route runners,

581
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Speaker 3: but they'll have everything else. I mean, you can even

582
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 3: get faster. You know, these guys practice the forty yard dash,

583
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Speaker 3: but I don't know that you play faster. All that

584
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 3: stuff goes into the mix. What skills can a guy

585
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Speaker 3: learn and get better at? And what skills are he

586
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Speaker 3: is he not going to be able to fix? And

587
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: that's another layer of this onion. He got it? Like

588
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Speaker 3: Jalen Hyatt is a great example of that. Can he

589
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Speaker 3: learn to run routes? I would think, yeah, but it's

590
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Speaker 3: got to be inside of him. He's got to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we have to take break here because we're up

592
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Speaker 2: against the break.

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Speaker 4: Chris and Hamburg will lead us off.

594
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Speaker 2: So stay where we are, Chris and others holding in

595
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Speaker 2: ato three oh five to fifty.

596
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Speaker 4: But we do have open lines for you.

597
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Speaker 2: What prospect would prompt you to trade up two spots

598
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Speaker 2: like the Bills did last year when they got Kyrie Elam.

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Speaker 2: You let us know at ato three oh five fifty one,

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Speaker 2: eight eight five fifty two, five point fifty the numbers

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Speaker 2: to get on board. We're taking your phone calls next

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Speaker 2: year on One Bills Live, presented by Colida Health. It's

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills Radio.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you here on a Wednesday,

606
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Speaker 2: talking draft and talking bills. Pick twenty seven in round one.

607
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: What prospect would prompt you to trade up two spots

608
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: like the Bills did last year when they got Kye Elim.

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00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: What player if they slide ever so slightly.

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Speaker 2: Will prompt you to pick up the phone and talk

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Speaker 2: turkey with another team to make a trade up the board.

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Speaker 4: You let us know at.

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Speaker 2: Eight h three zero five fifty one eight eight eight

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Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty number to get on board.

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00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: Got an open line for you there, actually got a

616
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 2: couple open lines for you. But we go back to

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Speaker 2: the phones and to Chris and Hamburg.

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Speaker 4: What do you got for us? Chris, Hey, guys, how

619
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Speaker 4: you doing good?

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Speaker 9: Good good man? I love your show. I've been watching

621
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Speaker 9: it for a while. I actually would go with Quinton Johnson.

622
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Speaker 9: If I can get two three picks, you know, maybe

623
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Speaker 9: get him at twenty four, twenty five, twenty six. I mean,

624
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 9: I know that they say that he's a body catcher,

625
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 9: catches the ball off his body.

626
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: Not with his hands.

627
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Speaker 9: I mean, I think that could be coached, I really do.

628
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Speaker 9: I mean that they coach out of him. But what

629
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Speaker 9: I like about him, man, he's sixty four two fifteen.

630
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Speaker 9: These small guys, man, it's just hard, you know. I mean,

631
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 9: they get beat up. I know he's not really a

632
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 9: slot guy too much, but you know, these smaller guys,

633
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 9: these smaller receivers, and I'm not saying all of them,

634
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 9: but they get beat up. And you know, That's actually

635
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Speaker 9: all I wanted to say about that. But I did

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Speaker 9: have one question for Steve, because I love Steve. He

637
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Speaker 9: said that he had a dog named Vern. I just

638
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Speaker 9: wanted to make sure his dog was named Vern because

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Speaker 9: I have a dog named Vernon. I don't hear too

640
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Speaker 9: many people that have dogs named vern And my wife

641
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 9: started to laugh the other day when I told her

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Speaker 9: that Steve Tasker has a dog named vern.

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Speaker 3: I do have a dog named vern that is confirmed. Yes,

644
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 3: I had a French bulldog named Verne. My wife gave

645
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Speaker 3: him to me as a gift. He's my next to Brown,

646
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Speaker 3: He's my best friend.

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Speaker 2: So wow, but I take that as a major compliment,

648
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Speaker 2: knowing how much you love that dog.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Quentin Johnson has some questions about him. He's a

650
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Speaker 3: big dude, fast, he didn't catch it real well, like

651
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Speaker 3: you said, he's a body catcher, got drops and and

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Speaker 3: let's face it, if there's one thing that made people

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Speaker 3: puke last year was because this team dropped too many throws.

654
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Speaker 4: Second in the league and drop.

655
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Speaker 3: I don't want another one of those guys. I'll say

656
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,239
Speaker 3: this last year, if the Bills don't drop, if they

657
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: cut their drops in half and their turnovers in half,

658
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 3: they would have been undefeated in the regular season, absolutely

659
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: undefeated in the regular season. And it wouldn't have been close.

660
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: If they cut their drops in half and their fumbles

661
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 3: and interceptions in half, they would have been undefeated in

662
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: the regular season. That's how much of a drag those

663
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 3: two statistics were on this team. And yeah, so I'm

664
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Speaker 3: I'm I get you about john He's got a lot

665
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 3: of ability, a lot of it, but that I'm still got

666
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 3: a bad taste in my mouth about that. Stat and

667
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 3: I don't want any more of it. I get it,

668
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I mean, it's unrational, irrational

669
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 3: me to think that. But that's where I'm at.

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Speaker 2: Let's let's do this, Steve. Why don't you tell me

671
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: if there is a player or two that you would

672
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: willingly trade.

673
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Up for besides Devon, just a couple of shots, besides

674
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: the back Devon a favorite guy. I would say, yeah,

675
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 3: there might be there might I might go, I might

676
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: jump up for my pick of Drew Sanders or Jack Campbell. Uh,

677
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: certainly one of the big time.

678
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 4: You trade up in round one for Jack Campbell, you

679
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 4: think you.

680
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 3: Have to do? It depends, yeah, because here's what I

681
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: told you. I think that you may not. But Dallas

682
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: needs the exact same kind of players the Buffalo needs.

683
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 3: They lost the middle linebacker they got, you know, tight

684
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: end they lost. So I'm they're kind of right where

685
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 3: the Bills are and they're at twenty six, so you

686
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 3: might have to get it. Feel like you have to

687
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 3: get ahead of Dallas to make that choice. But if

688
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 3: you've got but it might be that if you have

689
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: both those guys on the board, I'm like, I'll take

690
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 3: either one of them. Right. If one of the big

691
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: time defensive tackles starts to get down that way, and

692
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 3: there's a list, probably a two or three that I

693
00:35:54,880 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: would jump for, I might do that. I think there's

694
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 3: gonna be enough offensive tackles left on the board the

695
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: Bills will be all right at that spot. They won't

696
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: have to jump over anybody to get one of the

697
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: good ones. I think there's too many of those out there.

698
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: I don't think the Bills would jump two spots for

699
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: an edge, and I don't think they'd jump two spots

700
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: for a tight end. So you're looking at like what corner,

701
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 3: defensive tackle, and maybe one of the top linebackers, those

702
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: top two linebackers.

703
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: For me, I'm only doing it for an offensive tackle.

704
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: Or if I'm in a situation let's just say Darnell

705
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: Wright is still there, yeah, and he's two spots away,

706
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 2: I'm going up and I'm getting him. I don't think

707
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: Broderick Jones or somebody like that's gonna slide that far.

708
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: But if a Darnell Wright is still there, you know,

709
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: at twenty five, I'm calling my buddy Joe Shane and

710
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: the Giants and I'm saying, hey, can we just swap picks.

711
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 4: I got a guy or need to get here right,

712
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 4: and I'll flip you my fourth.

713
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: I would do that, And then the only other scenario

714
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 2: in which I would do it if I have a

715
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 2: pretty high first round grade on one of these top

716
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: three receivers on my board, whoever it is, And much

717
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: like last year with Kyrie Elm, if it's the last

718
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: of the three guys and he's still there at twenty five,

719
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: I'm calling for that too. That's about it, though, offensive

720
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: tackle receiver under those two specific scenarios.

721
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,760
Speaker 3: One of the things that scares me about Darnell Washington,

722
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 3: the big tight end out of Georgia. He's six six

723
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 3: and a half two sixty. He's like an offensive tackle.

724
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 3: He's primarily a blocker at Georgia, but he did show

725
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: some flashes as a receiving tight end. And he's a big,

726
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 3: big dude. Obviously. He reminds me of a guy like

727
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 3: Marcedes Lewis. He's going to be a longtime professional tight

728
00:37:54,760 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: end because of his size and never spectacular, never a

729
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 3: difference maker. Great Marceides Lewis is a great guy, great leader, veteran,

730
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 3: got a lot of wisdom in the locker room, but

731
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: he is not a difference maker. He's going to be

732
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: a pro for you know, Darnell Washington is going to

733
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: be a pro for fifteen years if he wants to

734
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 3: be because of his size and his athleticism. But guys

735
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: like Marcedes Lewis, a big tight end who played for

736
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 3: Jacksonville for a long time now has been with Green

737
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 3: Bay for a number of years, or just a guy. Yeah,

738
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: they can still play because they've gained so much knowledge,

739
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 3: but they will always and forever be considered underachievers because

740
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: of their physical gifts that are used more for longevity

741
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 3: rather than spectacular play.

742
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Speaker 4: I get that, I do. He is an elite physical

743
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 4: trade athlete.

744
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: Elite physical traits.

745
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not moving up for a tight end. I'm sorry.

746
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 3: Who's the tight end that was just here? We got

747
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: from Atlanta, No, from Tampa Bay and was with us

748
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 3: in training camp. OJ Howard as an OJ Howard type.

749
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 3: OJ Howard continues to get opportunities because of his athletic traits.

750
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: He has yet to wow anybody. In fact, he couldn't

751
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: make this team last year.

752
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 4: That's right in Houston.

753
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 3: When he came out, OJ Howard was considered as a

754
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 3: high draft pick considered a steal by the Tampa Bay

755
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: Bucks and they got him, and I believe in the

756
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 3: top ten. So guys like that because they've never been

757
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 3: taxed physically on the football field, because the competition just

758
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: can't live up to there, to the tools they bring

759
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 3: to the table. They never get pushed, so they never improve.

760
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: Now that's that's a concern of mine. Guy that are

761
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: so physically gifted, Like some of these guys are like

762
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: like Jadavian Clowney's of the world. You know, you just

763
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 3: some of these guys are are spectacularly gifted, and because

764
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 3: of that, they never put it. They have never in

765
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 3: their lives put it in gear.

766
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 4: And that's because it's always been easy.

767
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's easy and all.

768
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: Then they get here and it's like, oh my gosh,

769
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: I gotta work hard.

770
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: Well either that or they get here and they say,

771
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: I don't have to work hard. I can still do this.

772
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 3: And I may not be spectacic, but I'm gonna play

773
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: for a long time. And that's the key. I'll just

774
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,240
Speaker 3: keep playing. I'll keep making seven figures every year, socking

775
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 3: it away. When I'm done, I'll be done and I'll

776
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 3: stroll off or drive off of my golf cart into

777
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: the sunset.

778
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 10: You know.

779
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 3: That's what these guys, that's what they do. Particularly a

780
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Speaker 3: guy who gets drafted in the top half of the

781
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 3: first round. He's he's done immediately. He's got guaranteed ten

782
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: million bucks in the bank if he does it right

783
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: at the end of the contract.

784
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: Right.

785
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: That's why I think I'm only moving up a couple

786
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 2: of spots for the quote unquote money premium positions. That's quarterback,

787
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: that's wide receiver, that's offensive tackle, pass rusher, corner receiver.

788
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 4: That's it.

789
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: I'm not trading up for a tight end. I'm not

790
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 2: trading up for a running back. I'm not trading up

791
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: for a guard or a center.

792
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: Like just I'll say this, there are certain there are

793
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: certain guys we have seen like Quentin Nelson, an offensive

794
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: guard taken by the Colts sixth overall, a rookie All

795
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: Pro as a guard. Bless his heart. They signed him

796
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 3: to an extension as soon as they could, and and

797
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: he has disappeared.

798
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 4: Take it out of he's disappeared.

799
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: Okay, not everybody's going to disappear. Some guys are motivated

800
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 3: by contracts like that instead of disengaged. You know it's

801
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: not to finish line for them. Peyton Manning was that way.

802
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: He signed a fifty three million dollar contract twenty years

803
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: ago and everybody's like they couldn't get it. They couldn't unbelieve.

804
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 3: It was unbelievable. And they asked him what he was

805
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: gonna do, and he says, I'm gonna earn it.

806
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 4: Gosh said the same thing a couple of years ago.

807
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 3: That's a different guy. Those guys are different. Is I'm

808
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 3: gonna earn every I'm gonna make it a bargain. That's

809
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 3: what Tom Brady told Robert Kraft when they drafted him.

810
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make this the smartest draft pick you've ever made.

811
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 3: They're motivated by the opportunity, they're motivated by the big contract,

812
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: they feel responsible for it. That's a different cat than

813
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: a guy who says I made it. Yeah, that's that

814
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: is the the holy grail of drafting when you find

815
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: a guy like that.

816
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: We have to take a break here when we come back,

817
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: more of your thoughts as we crack open the tweet

818
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,399
Speaker 2: sheet to see what prospect would prompt you to trade

819
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: up two spots like the Bills did last year when

820
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 2: they got kaye elam in round one, or you can

821
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: let us know on the phones. Eight O three oh

822
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 2: five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five fifty

823
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: the number to get on board. As we are talking

824
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: to you, more of your phone calls. Next here on

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00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Collide of Health, it's Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bills Radio. All right, back here on One Bill's Live,

827
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Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you talking about Buffalo's pick

828
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Speaker 2: at twenty seven.

829
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 4: Is there a.

830
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 2: Prospect that would prompt you to trade up just a

831
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: couple of spots to secure said prospect, much like the

832
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 2: Bills did last year when they moved up two spots

833
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: to get kayir elim. Eight O three oh five fifty

834
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 2: the number to get on board one eight eight eight

835
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 2: five fifty two five fifty.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna go to the tweet sheet though. See what

837
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: you have to say there.

838
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Tweets sheet brought to you by Corgan Moving Systems, the

839
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and leading

840
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 2: us off as the Duke of Blaisdell, who says, trade

841
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 2: picks for more picks. Make sure you have two picks

842
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 2: in round two and grab the best wide receiver and

843
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: linebacker Jack Campbell. So he's saying, forget about trading up,

844
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: trade back and get some extra draft capital, knowing the

845
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: Bills only have six picks going into this thing right now.

846
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 3: I agree with that. I can get on behind that.

847
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: The more I like it, more picks you get, the better.

848
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 4: You can.

849
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: I don't not just as likely, but you're just as likely.

850
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: I say, just as like it. You can get starters

851
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 3: on the second and third day of the draft. They

852
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 3: don't have to be the first day day one to

853
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 3: be a starter. We've seen it before with his team.

854
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 3: Mulano's an example, Taron Johnson example, gave Davis as an example.

855
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: You can get really good players, and you can get

856
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 3: really good players as rookie Freeze and I bring it

857
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: up again, Levi Wallace was a four year starter for

858
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 3: this club all the way to the AFC Championship game,

859
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: and they tried to replace him all the time and

860
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: could not get it done.

861
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Speaker 4: So I would love But if we had Dane Jackson's

862
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 4: A seven.

863
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: I'd take into six picks. I'd take twelve picks from

864
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: the third round on and like it better. You know

865
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:14,280
Speaker 3: what I mean. I just I just love draft picks.

866
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 3: I'm not like the La Rams, that's for sure. I

867
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: think the more draft picks you get, the better you get,

868
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 3: not the worst.

869
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go Buffalo says I would trade up for Bijeon.

870
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 4: Maybe Jordan Addison.

871
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, Bijean's going to the top fifteen. Mark

872
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: it down. He's just too good.

873
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 4: He's not.

874
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: He's not gonna be anywhere within a sniff of where

875
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: the Bills are picking. I'll be stunned if he is,

876
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: because he is a he is a supreme talent, and

877
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: he is an exception to the running back rule. I

878
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: think he's gone way before the Bills can even consider him.

879
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 4: As we heard.

880
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: Brandon Bean say the other day, when we're about five

881
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: six picks away, that's when we're really start zeroing in

882
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: on what our options are and whether we want to

883
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: stay there, and what's happening in front of us may

884
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: prompt us to move up or down.

885
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 4: So I don't think he even gets to that territory.

886
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: I'm yeah, I'm Jordan Edison.

887
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: I like I would I like him. This is just

888
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: me talking. I like him enough where I would go

889
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: up a couple of spots. The reason why is all

890
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: the production and the route running skills are great, I believe,

891
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: just from what I've heard from people around the pit

892
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: program say, I know he went to USC last year,

893
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: but I think he's just got that dog mentality.

894
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 4: We saw it.

895
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 2: We saw it with the kid that the Steelers took

896
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: out of Georgia last year, George Pickens. He's out there

897
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 2: on the practice field in training camp talking smack to

898
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 2: Minka Fitzpatrick, Like, there are guys that have that mindset.

899
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: To have some stones in order to succeed.

900
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 2: And I think Addison has some of that in him.

901
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 2: And that's that's not a tell all quality, but I

902
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: think if you combine the production with that kind of

903
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 2: drive to succeed, like I'm I'm gonna be the best,

904
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna tell you I'm the best and I'm

905
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 2: gonna prove it, right, those are the kinds of players

906
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: I want on a roster.

907
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 3: All right. What do you think about the conversation we

908
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: had during the break this one of the defensive tackles,

909
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: Elijah Cantsey. It has come about that he has taken

910
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: zero count of zero top thirty visits to any NFL team.

911
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: Now, can you explain whether or not that was by

912
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: his choosing or no teams invited him on pre draft visits.

913
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm saying?

914
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: He did have. He did have some meetings with the

915
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: Rams in the Saints before Pitt's Pro Day, and teams

916
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: can host up the quoting an article, he can host

917
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: up to thirty players for interviews and medical evaluations at

918
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: their own facilities, with the players who live or go

919
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 3: to college in the local area not counting towards those

920
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: Top thirty. They often use those those visits, you know,

921
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 3: dig a little little deeper. Chancey's twenty two years old.

922
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: He's a two year starter at Pittsburgh, named to All

923
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 3: the Freshman All American Team in twenty twenty, third Team

924
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 3: All American in twenty one, and an unanimous first team

925
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 3: All American in twenty twenty two, as well as the

926
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,720
Speaker 3: ACC Defensive Player of the Year.

927
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, let his team in sackson tackles for loss are also.

928
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes, he said he set the the combine record.

929
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: He ran a forty yard dash, ran four to six.

930
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: Seven at two eighty or something whatever he is, So

931
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 3: he had no Top thirty visits after that. I'm and

932
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 3: I was telling Brownie that to me somebody's taken Elijah

933
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: Kansy top ten.

934
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: I don't know about top top ten. I think top twenty, Yes,

935
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: top ten, here we go.

936
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 3: If he goes from eight to twelve, it's a push.

937
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: But if he's eight, or if he's above.

938
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: Here's what nine two, here's what hurts Elijah Canzy Jalen

939
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 2: Carter's status sliding a little bit.

940
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 3: That helps him. I think, are you gonna take instead?

941
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 4: No? No, I don't think you do that.

942
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: I think Carter still goes before him, and I think

943
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: because of the off the field stuff and some of

944
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 2: those things. Instead of him going two, he probably goes

945
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: seven or eight somewhere in there, and that pushes Cancy

946
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: down in the ten to twenty range.

947
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: So I think he goes down there.

948
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 2: Something I think Cancy and you can't forget I'm six

949
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: foot one, he's got thirty inch.

950
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: This kind of thing is exactly what makes a guy

951
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: like Cancy jump leap frog a guy who's physically better

952
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm not gonna say he's gonn a leap frog Carter,

953
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: but yes, okay, I'm telling your chances going top ten,

954
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 3: ten or above.

955
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: I can't get there. I think he I think he

956
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: goes somewhere between ten and twenty.

957
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: Brownie. They they're totally ignored. It's like he's the elephant

958
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 3: in the room. Maybe maybe they not a single not

959
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,919
Speaker 3: a single club brought him inno a top thirty visit.

960
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 3: Come on, bro, because they all see player of the year,

961
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 3: defensive player of the year.

962
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,280
Speaker 4: You got a bunch of those in the draft Conference

963
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 4: defensive player of the year.

964
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 3: I get it.

965
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 4: He's a good player. I think he's gonna have a

966
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 4: good career. But man, I don't know.

967
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: That to me, speaks of teams that don't want anybody

968
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: to know they're interested. I well, fine, he's a first

969
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 3: If he doesn't go in the first round, I'll be shocked.

970
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: Oh no, he's going in the first round. Well, they're

971
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: probably somewhere between ten and twenty. That's where I think.

972
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 3: See, if he's going somewhere between ten and twenty, there

973
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: should be ten teams at least having him in on

974
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 3: a top thirty visit. Man, and nobody did.

975
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 2: Maybe they know everything they need to know about him, dude,

976
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: I mean, he fully tested at his program.

977
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 3: You're not taking somebody in the top fifteen unless you

978
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 3: know everything you need to know about him. Or unless

979
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 3: you believe they're Aaron Donald in the making, then you

980
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 3: don't want anybody to know because you want to make

981
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 3: sure they're not suspecting that you're gonna take him. That's

982
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 3: what That's what's happening, right, That's what happened.

983
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: All right, all right, we'll see, we'll see. Maybe he

984
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: is the second coming of Aaron Donald. Who knows where

985
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: did Aaron Donald go eleventh? I think he went eleventh.

986
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 2: I'll have to look it up. I will do that

987
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 2: in the break, which is what we're gonna do now.

988
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: But we come back our number two more of your

989
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: phone calls and tweets on is there a prospect that

990
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 2: would prompt you to trade up two spots just like

991
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: the Bills did last year when they got Kyrie Elman.

992
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,240
Speaker 2: You let us know at ATO three oh five fifty

993
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 2: one eighty eight five fifty two, five point fifty. We're

994
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,280
Speaker 2: also going to catch you up with the executive producer

995
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: of NFL Networks coverage of the twenty twenty three NFL Draft, Charlie.

996
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: You can join us, let us know what we can

997
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 2: expect on Draft night on the NFL Network. In our

998
00:52:21,400 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: number two stay tune.

999
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 1: This is one Bills Live presented by Calida Health ah.

1000
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: Ur number two on a Wednesday, Chris Brown Steve Tasker

1001
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 2: with you talk in an NFL draft and if there's

1002
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: a prospect that would prompt you to move up a

1003
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 2: couple of spots to grab, much like the Bills did

1004
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: last year when they moved up two spots took kye

1005
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: Elam as their players with first round grades were dwindling

1006
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: quickly and Brandon Bean made a proactive move to get

1007
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 2: up the board and get one of the last players

1008
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 2: they had with a first round grade.

1009
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 4: Who might you do that for this year?

1010
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: Can let us know at eight O three five point

1011
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 2: fifty one eight eight eight five point fifty two five

1012
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: fifty the number to get on board, or you can

1013
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 2: hit us up on the tweets sheet at one Bills Live,

1014
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 2: which is where we go back to now where Jake

1015
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: tells us absolutely none. Well, almost always prefer more kicks

1016
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 2: at the can use both at the same position and

1017
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 2: have better odds to hit.

1018
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 4: So there's another guy in.

1019
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: Favor of trading back, adding draft capital and then doubling

1020
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 2: up at whatever position you want to take. Wow, So

1021
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 2: he would go receiver, receiver or linebacker linebacker or tackle

1022
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 2: tackle or something like that.

1023
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 4: There's merit to moving back. There is.

1024
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: The analytics tell you that you have the better odds

1025
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,839
Speaker 2: of getting better value for your pick than you would

1026
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: trading up. But if you get a good player, does

1027
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: anybody really care?

1028
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 4: I don't know what they do.

1029
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, if you hit on the pick,

1030
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: nobody cares where you drafted him.

1031
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: You know what you gave up to, what.

1032
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 3: You gave up to get him. If he's the right guy,

1033
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: he's the right guy.

1034
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: So does anybody care that the Bills traded up to

1035
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 2: get Dawson Knox in the third round?

1036
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 3: Yeah? I can't remember what they even traded him for.

1037
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 2: Traded up from round four to round three, him around

1038
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 2: three to go get him, and I think they gave

1039
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: up another four to do it.

1040
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 3: So if you get a starter out of it, nobody

1041
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 3: you know? Yeah, I mean I can get it too.

1042
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 3: You look back, you look back at the Sammy Watkins trade.

1043
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 3: How's he going to live up to that? Yeah?

1044
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 2: They gave up at one the following year and they're

1045
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: won that year to get to four.

1046
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you just it's hard.

1047
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1048
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 3: It goes back to that thing and how what are

1049
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 3: the expectations attached to the draft pick? Can the guy

1050
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,919
Speaker 3: live up to them? And are you gonna have enough

1051
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 3: patience if he doesn't get out of the blox quickly?

1052
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, wandering Jack on the tweets, she says, Jackson Smith

1053
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: and jigbu or Za Flowers is who he would trade

1054
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 2: up for if they're sliding. Bills need speed and more

1055
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 2: weapons to keep up with case since Miami and the

1056
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 2: AFC arms race would also consider moving up if a

1057
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: top tier offensive tackle slid, but not Dewan Jones or

1058
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: Darnell Wright. Allan needs protection and they're massive men, but

1059
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 2: no need to trade up for those two. So he's

1060
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: looking for top of the like tippy top of the.

1061
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 4: Chart for tackles.

1062
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 2: So I guess he's thinking like Skearronsky or Paris Johnson

1063
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,359
Speaker 2: or Broderick Jones. And I don't see any of those

1064
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: guys sliding into the mid twenties, so probably not in

1065
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 2: the cards. Big Rick says none in this draft. I'm

1066
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 2: moving down too spots if I can, So he might

1067
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: slide from twenty seven to twenty nine. That would require

1068
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 2: a deal with the New Orleans Saints, who could be

1069
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: interested in moving up a couple of spots to maybe

1070
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 2: get the fifth quarterback.

1071
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 3: If Henon Hooker's still there, maybe Les.

1072
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 2: You know, there the Vegas Las Vegas put odds out

1073
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 2: Steve on who's most likely to be the second quarterback

1074
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: off the board. You know, the lowest odds are now

1075
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: Will Levis over CJ st Out to go second, will

1076
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 2: Rice Young first, And the lowest odds to be the

1077
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: second quarterback off the board is now Will Levis.

1078
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they might where does that They might be

1079
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 3: laying off money though, you know, they might be putting

1080
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 3: him there.

1081
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 4: So people start betting it, okay.

1082
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 3: Betting other guys even out the money. Come on, bro,

1083
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: they don't have any idea what's gonna happen.

1084
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 4: They just want to they they know something.

1085
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 3: They're switching those No, they're switching those guys up so

1086
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: that they can get money bet on some other guys.

1087
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, just moving around.

1088
00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're not betting the football end of it.

1089
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 3: They're betting the betters end of it, all right, They're

1090
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 3: betting on the betters.

1091
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 2: Jake C on the tweets sheet says, if Skeansky makes

1092
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: it to twenty twenty one, I definitely trade up. He's

1093
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: my top o line prospect and can play guard or

1094
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 2: compete at right tackle. That's a guy that I don't

1095
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: think many people expect getting down there. But hey, stranger

1096
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 2: things have happened. Bill's News Consolidated, says Jackson Smith and

1097
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: Jigoba as a player they would trade up for.

1098
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 8: Ed.

1099
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 2: Helenski says he's only trading up for the second coming

1100
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 2: of Jesus, So that's I didn't know he was in

1101
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 2: the draft.

1102
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 3: Pool this year. If he is, I'm I would do

1103
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 3: that too.

1104
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 2: I would also a miracle worker. I mean, how can

1105
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 2: you argue with that?

1106
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: But yeah, you get some people aren't interested. I'm I

1107
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: am interested in more draft picks, and it would take

1108
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: a really really good player for me not to take

1109
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: more draft. If I could get two draft picks for

1110
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 3: any one player, I might do that. You know, particularly

1111
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 3: at twenty seven, you're gonna be twenty six guys off

1112
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 3: the board, but the top twenty six guys in this draft,

1113
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 3: you give me two draft picks for anybody that's left,

1114
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 3: I might. I have to.

1115
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 4: I almost have to take it, especially if you're not

1116
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 4: moving back very.

1117
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: Far even ten what maximum? What ten picks?

1118
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 2: So you go from twenty seven to thirty seven, so

1119
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 2: you're still picking in the top six in round two,

1120
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: I'd take it. It'll come up on you fast once

1121
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 2: you start day two, so won't feel like a long.

1122
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 3: Wait, right, but still that's two extra picks. Well, so

1123
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 3: if you get that one and I'm saying that one

1124
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 3: and two others or that one and one other, I'd say,

1125
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: depending on what it is, if it's that one and

1126
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: a and a top one hundred, pick yeah, i'd take it,

1127
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: or that one right and a and a top hundred

1128
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: and a top one hundred and fifty, I'd take it

1129
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 3: for sure.

1130
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 4: All right, So let me let me go through your

1131
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 4: scenario here quickly. If you.

1132
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 3: All right, we got you. Now, we gotta go to

1133
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: the value you.

1134
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 2: Want to go from twenty seven to thirty seven. Thirty

1135
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 2: seven is five thirty, so they got to come up

1136
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 2: with one hundred and fifty extra, so they.

1137
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 4: Would be giving you.

1138
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 2: Like pick eighty three in round three along with pick

1139
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: thirty seven, so you would have two twos and two

1140
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 2: threes making that move like, that's what you would end

1141
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 2: up with at the end, two twos and two if

1142
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: you're adding a two and you're adding a three.

1143
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:09,360
Speaker 4: That's pretty good.

1144
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 3: And you wouldn't have a one though, so you'd have.

1145
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: Four picks in the top ninety one that I might make.

1146
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure I could be talked into that.

1147
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 3: Uh that's where the you know, you get a lot

1148
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 3: of ex cattle as really, by the way, really good

1149
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 3: value in the draft right there, in every draft.

1150
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 2: We have to turn now to NFL Network executive producer

1151
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:36,959
Speaker 2: Charlie Yuke, who is going to be putting together once

1152
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: again the twenty twenty three NFL Draft telecast, the three

1153
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 2: day marathon that is the NFL Draft on NFL Network.

1154
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: He kind of shed some light on what's in store

1155
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 2: for this week's telecast live from Kansas City next week.

1156
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 4: Here is Charlie.

1157
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: All right, Charlie, so let's begin here. When the heck

1158
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 2: do you have to get out to KC. How soon

1159
01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 2: does that happen now that we're just about a week out.

1160
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 10: Yeah, We've got people traveling later this week to set

1161
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 10: up the infrastructure.

1162
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 11: A lot of the folks from the league have been

1163
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 11: there for weeks already.

1164
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 10: I get out there and our production team gets out

1165
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 10: there Sunday and Monday.

1166
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 11: So next week around the twenty fourth.

1167
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 3: At this current moment, what's the cast? I mean, how

1168
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 3: many bits of talent do you have? And obviously you

1169
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 3: got thirty two locations you got to hook up.

1170
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 11: Yeah, So.

1171
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 10: You know, for the first time in a while, we

1172
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 10: have a consistent cast on our team steps. So Night

1173
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 10: one the night two, we're looking at Rich Eisen, Daniel Jeremiah,

1174
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 10: Charles Davis, and Joel Klatt. So we feel like we've

1175
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,439
Speaker 10: got every base covered there. Kurt Warner will join us

1176
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 10: on Thursday night, obviously with a huge quarterback lean and

1177
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 10: him being a Hall of Famer Ian Rapapord will be

1178
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 10: our insider, and Melissa Stark will be conducting beyond stage interviews.

1179
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 11: Night two stays the same for us.

1180
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 10: The only difference is we swap out Kurt with Good

1181
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 10: Morning Football's Peters. Day three will have you know, we'll

1182
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 10: go back and forth between LA and Kansas City, but

1183
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 10: the first two nights pretty consistent.

1184
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 2: Prey rock sout and what kind of prep has to

1185
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 2: go into now that this thing is, you know, moving

1186
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 2: from city to city year to year. I got to

1187
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 2: imagine there's going back to square one to some degree

1188
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 2: in terms of set up and planning. And you know,

1189
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: you've got an iconic backdrop there at Union Station in KC.

1190
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 2: But and as great as that is, you do have

1191
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 2: to kind of start over again, right, how long a

1192
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: process does that take?

1193
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, this has become now. It's a great question. It's

1194
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,120
Speaker 10: it's very similar as super Bowl planning. So the drafts

1195
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 10: is like our off season super Bowl. We were starting

1196
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 10: to go out there. You know, our partners abcsp in

1197
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 10: the league, NFL media group, we went out in the summer,

1198
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 10: my trip there also, you know, we took a trip

1199
01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 10: out in December and January. So the plans have been

1200
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 10: in place now for months. The building's already begune. But yeah,

1201
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 10: I think it's fair to say this thing has now

1202
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:00,439
Speaker 10: become the off season super Bowl almost, And I think

1203
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 10: I think your fans agree. I think those fans have

1204
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 10: agreed that. Just the tone of temperature of what the

1205
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 10: draft has become. I mean, it's a it's a passionate

1206
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 10: night for a lot of folks.

1207
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 3: Absolutely. What is the roster? What's the number of players

1208
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 3: you've got video on?

1209
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 11: No, that's a great question.

1210
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 10: I think we have, Steve, I think we have over

1211
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 10: six hundred players and eighteen hundred individual pieces of tape.

1212
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 10: So we try to stay in that number, right, just

1213
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 10: just because we do our favorite game show, Stump the

1214
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 10: Truck on day three to see what the video we have,

1215
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 10: and a lot of people like doing that hashtag stump

1216
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 10: the truck.

1217
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 11: But no, it's a good number.

1218
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 10: Obviously, we put the focus on the players that are

1219
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 10: at the top, so they'll have more tapes. But we

1220
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 10: try to make sure that, you know, every individual that

1221
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 10: could be drafted in the league is represented with some

1222
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 10: playing footage.

1223
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 2: So, Charlie, last year only one quarterback in Round one,

1224
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: can't he Pikett? As we know, this year looks like

1225
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be a lot more different than that.

1226
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:58,960
Speaker 2: How how much do you just let the quarterbacks be

1227
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 2: the driving for of Night one, knowing that's very likely

1228
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: we're very likely to see four, maybe even five quarterbacks

1229
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: in Round one.

1230
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 11: Yeah, you guys know this.

1231
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, seventeen is a pillar for not

1232
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 10: only the Bills, but for the league. Like this league

1233
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 10: is built on quarterbacks. It's not a secret. To have

1234
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,720
Speaker 10: more quarterbacks in the first round is a good thing.

1235
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 10: To have casts and trades move up and down is

1236
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 10: a good thing. So we've built our plans once like

1237
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 10: anything else, right, God laughs.

1238
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 11: The plans, our plans are that.

1239
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,040
Speaker 10: The quarterbacks will build PTTY early in the top, but

1240
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 10: who knows what can happen in a fifth quarterback like

1241
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 10: any hooker does slip into the first round. We're ready

1242
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 10: to pivot there. But drafts are made with the name

1243
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:38,880
Speaker 10: brand recognition. So in this particular draft, you know.

1244
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 11: Kenny was a great player, he went to the right place.

1245
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 11: One quarterback in the first round.

1246
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 10: If we have four selected here, let's say in the

1247
01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 10: top five, that only generates interest for everybody who's consuming

1248
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 10: this product. And we feel like, you know, we're ready

1249
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 10: with the tapes in the stories of telling each of

1250
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 10: these quarterbacks. But yeah, it's it would be great if

1251
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 10: there's some movement at the top and we see some teams.

1252
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 10: Maybe the Bills want to move all the way up,

1253
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 10: who knows, but it's it's something we're looking forward to

1254
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 10: and we're ready to go where week out with brand?

1255
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 3: Do you have somebody physically and two questions One, do

1256
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 3: you have somebody physically on site at all thirty two

1257
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,440
Speaker 3: locations or at thirty three with Kansas City there and

1258
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:19,080
Speaker 3: at the at arrowhead out at the stadium where they're

1259
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,320
Speaker 3: going to be do you have somebody at all thirty

1260
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 3: one sites and how's that work with your partnership with ESPN.

1261
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,440
Speaker 10: Yeah, so technically we do because there's you know, with

1262
01:05:27,520 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 10: the draft rooms, the war rooms, with the clubs, we're

1263
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 10: setting up all that infrastructure, you know, on helping our

1264
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 10: partners with ABC and ESPN. As far as talent, it'll

1265
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 10: be you know, a little bit more measured, but as

1266
01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 10: far as presence everywhere, Steve, all thirty two teams will

1267
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 10: be represented in the broadcast at some point, even clubs

1268
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 10: that don't have a pick, like you know, obviously Miami

1269
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:44,960
Speaker 10: for for they're picking the first round. There's teams that

1270
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 10: don't have picks in the first round, but we're ready

1271
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 10: to go to in case there's movement.

1272
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 11: So there is representation of all thirty two teams.

1273
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: Talking with NFL Network executive producer Charlie Yu, who is

1274
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 2: running the show of the twenty twenty three NFL Draft

1275
01:05:57,600 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 2: from Kansas City April twenty seventh to twenty ninth, there

1276
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 2: is there some way that you try to tweak things

1277
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: ever so slightly, Charlie, from one year to the next,

1278
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 2: where you know, I mean, I know there are staples

1279
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:15,720
Speaker 2: that are enormously popular every year. You already mentioned Stump

1280
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 2: the Truck, which I love. That's the only thing that

1281
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,320
Speaker 2: makes me last until the very end when I still

1282
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:23,840
Speaker 2: have work to do. I still have it on in

1283
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 2: the background because I want to hear Stump the Truck.

1284
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 2: But are there other elements that you guys kind of

1285
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 2: commiserate about and say, hey, how can we maybe tweak

1286
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: this or how can.

1287
01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,200
Speaker 4: We maybe make this more interesting this year?

1288
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 11: Yeah? Look, I think that there's a couple of parts

1289
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 11: of that.

1290
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 10: The home city and the home club has to be

1291
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:45,439
Speaker 10: something that we, you know, touch upon, so we can't

1292
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 10: city most people think barbecue. There's definitely gonna be a

1293
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 10: barbecue theme. We've got jazz, you know, can't see one

1294
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,320
Speaker 10: of the birthplaces of jazz. We've got jazz music kind

1295
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:56,439
Speaker 10: of woven throughout our coverage and are open, which would

1296
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 10: be very special.

1297
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,240
Speaker 11: Lated a clock Eastern on Thursday.

1298
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 10: Night in an NFL networks So the homes, the hub

1299
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,360
Speaker 10: city itself becomes a character. But it's super important fellas,

1300
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 10: as you know, it's not just about the team that's

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01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 10: on the clock. It's being able to connect to all

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 10: the teams. So being able to talk about what's going

1303
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 10: on at one, but still looking ahead of what's going

1304
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 10: to happen to two with Houston. If let's say Bryce

1305
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 10: Young is the first pick, how does that affect the Texans?

1306
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 11: What are they looking at? What does that mean? Maybe

1307
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:21,560
Speaker 11: we're trading back.

1308
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 10: So we always want to touch upon like the bigger

1309
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 10: Everything's guy's got to be bigger than the actual you know,

1310
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 10: player that that's being selected and the team that's on

1311
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 10: the clock. And I feel like our guys do a

1312
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 10: really good job with that with you know, rich Isison,

1313
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 10: as you guys know, he's he's.

1314
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 11: The ring leader on this one.

1315
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 10: So we feel like that that's important part just making sure,

1316
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 10: like I've used this raise with you guys before, it's

1317
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 10: the hub in the spoke model where the hub is

1318
01:07:43,120 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 10: definitely Kansas City, but we want to make sure that

1319
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 10: we still have touchdowns, you know, to everything, not just

1320
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,640
Speaker 10: thirty two teams, but the thirty two fan bases, because

1321
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 10: ultimately the craziest part of this, guys, you know, there's

1322
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 10: there's absolutely zero football being played on a single blade

1323
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 10: of grass, but everyone's just tuned in to be like, oh,

1324
01:07:57,920 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 10: this guy could be pretty incredible someday.

1325
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 11: For Mike Team, and that's what we want to hit on.

1326
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 10: It's a celebration and I think we should all be,

1327
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 10: you know, looking forward to it.

1328
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 3: And one of the interesting parts about this broadcast is,

1329
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what time of day it's

1330
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 3: gonna start, or like how long of a run up

1331
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 3: you have until that first pick, uh, But they don't

1332
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 3: really care how long it lasts. I mean, this thing

1333
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,040
Speaker 3: is like there's no back end to this broadcast, right

1334
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: and on NFL network, what do you guys care? It's

1335
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: it's your league. And but this is one of the

1336
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 3: few times when you know, you kind of take that

1337
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 3: wolf squeeze a commercial break in whenever we can, right.

1338
01:08:29,479 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 3: I mean, because there's no set time frame for these picks,

1339
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 3: you know it could you could get the first five

1340
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,599
Speaker 3: picks bang bang bang bang. Although I think you probably

1341
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 3: ask these clubs maybe to give us a couple of

1342
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: minutes to digest this before we make that next pick.

1343
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 3: I don't know how much of that goes into it.

1344
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 3: Give us some insight as to the timing of this thing,

1345
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 3: and the fact that you don't care if it goes

1346
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 3: intill you know, Friday morning, let alone that. But the

1347
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 3: top could go really fast or really slow.

1348
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's all so based on who's there, right, because

1349
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 10: as you know, Steve, you guys know this.

1350
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 11: There's commercials, there's interviews on stage, there's lulls. Some teams

1351
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 11: stake longer than others.

1352
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 10: Ideally, it's great if the club takes about five minutes,

1353
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 10: then you can get a little analysis in from the

1354
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 10: prior pick analysis in before this the team that's on

1355
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 10: the clock currently. But yeah, it's catches, catch can and

1356
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 10: the editorial drive this. So if the quarterback did go

1357
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 10: one through four, I don't know if we're gonna be

1358
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,400
Speaker 10: able to take a commercial break.

1359
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:28,800
Speaker 11: I don't know how long that could be.

1360
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 10: The first hour and then we're looking at it, like

1361
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,120
Speaker 10: you said, a night that goes well past midnight Eastern.

1362
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 11: But no one's going anywhere, right guys. You guys know this.

1363
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 10: And then the Bills fans especially, they're going to stick

1364
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 10: aroundrobub from one to twenty seven and maybe you know

1365
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 10: a couple.

1366
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 11: Of bucks left stay through the end. So yeah, we're not.

1367
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,439
Speaker 11: It's it's we don't have anything that we have a

1368
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 11: post game that we got to.

1369
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,639
Speaker 10: Do until the NFL total axes. Each night after it's

1370
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 10: the show. But there really is no time clock. You know,

1371
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 10: there's like you know, right now baseball and another pitchblock.

1372
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 10: We don't have that ranch. So the insight is this

1373
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 10: stem like we all go into there with ABCESPN, ourselves,

1374
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 10: the broadcast you know, department at the league, the clubs,

1375
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 10: we just say, you know, if you want us to

1376
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 10: do due diligence on these picks, feel free to take time.

1377
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 11: You know, you don't have to be rushed.

1378
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 10: But you guys know this, some clubs just want to

1379
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:16,640
Speaker 10: get it in, get it out, and be done with.

1380
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 11: So it averages about.

1381
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 10: Three and a half four hours. It's been that way

1382
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 10: for a while now. So that's what we target, you know,

1383
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 10: with our commercial inventory.

1384
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 11: And what we're doing. But it's controlled cast.

1385
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 10: There's another way around, like at some point, like the

1386
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,800
Speaker 10: show is happening on the screens whatever you're looking at,

1387
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 10: but there's also an interesting show in the broadcast trucks

1388
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 10: that are going on.

1389
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,000
Speaker 11: Three ABCPN and.

1390
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 4: The last one I've got for you, Charlie.

1391
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 2: I think this is the first time since the draft

1392
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: has been on the move that the host city is

1393
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: also the Super Bowl champion. How how as much as

1394
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:50,679
Speaker 2: it pains me to say this. How might you weave

1395
01:10:51,200 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 2: some of their championship pedigree of this past season into

1396
01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: the telecast?

1397
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, so there's I think you're going to and I

1398
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 10: won't give up a lot, I think, and I know

1399
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 10: I've painted some folks there. You're probably gonna see some

1400
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 10: familiar faces from the team to open. The Chiefs have

1401
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 10: been great. They're all in on being the the you know,

1402
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 10: the host club for this. Like I said, there's gonna

1403
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 10: be a ton of barbecue, But I think the biggest

1404
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 10: thing that's gonna, you know, resonate for everyone football fans

1405
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 10: is their parade.

1406
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,720
Speaker 11: They had a million people show up.

1407
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 10: Just imagine now that it's not just the Chiefs group

1408
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 10: showing up. We're in the heartland of America with so

1409
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 10: many fans that can get here to watch this draft happen.

1410
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,520
Speaker 11: We feel like this is going to be a super.

1411
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 10: Special night, very remnant of what we saw in Nashville,

1412
01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 10: if you were called down Broadway or Philadelphia when they

1413
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 10: filled the entire Rocky Steps, like this could be something special.

1414
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:47,559
Speaker 10: I think all thirty two fan bases will show up

1415
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 10: and we're expecting, you know, three great days.

1416
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 3: Charlie is great talking to you again a traditionally unlike

1417
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 3: any other. Thanks for coming on with us again this year.

1418
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:55,679
Speaker 3: We can't wait to see you again.

1419
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 11: Thanks fellas, love talking.

1420
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, take care now. That's Charlie, NFL Network executive producer.

1421
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: Are going to be running the show for the twenty

1422
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 2: twenty three NFL Draft from Kansas City April twenty seventh

1423
01:12:07,439 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: to twenty ninth on the NFL Network. We will take

1424
01:12:10,200 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: a break here, be back with more on One Bill's Live,

1425
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 2: presented by co Lot of Health. This is Buffalo Bills Radio.

1426
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 4: I look him back to One Bill's Live.

1427
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 2: Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you some AFC East News two.

1428
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 2: A tongue of Ilo has spoke today for the first

1429
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 2: time since he was cleared from concussion protocol back in January,

1430
01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,719
Speaker 2: about three or four weeks after the Dolphin season had ended,

1431
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 2: and Tua basically revealed that he had discussed the idea

1432
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,680
Speaker 2: of retiring from football all together after the season with

1433
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:54,680
Speaker 2: his family, but he ultimately decided to keep playing. He

1434
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 2: admits that this is about his health and his life,

1435
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: but he thinks continuing his playing career is what is

1436
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: best for him and his family. He also expressed how

1437
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:09,960
Speaker 2: his young son is someone he hopes can get to

1438
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:11,720
Speaker 2: an age where he's old enough to know what he's

1439
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,520
Speaker 2: watching and see his dad play.

1440
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 4: We've talked about this, Steve.

1441
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 2: Three possibly four concussions in a short period of time,

1442
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 2: basically about four months time. We know in close proximity

1443
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 2: they are more damaging to your long term health. He

1444
01:13:31,080 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 2: gets another one early this season. That would be potentially

1445
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 2: five in a calendar year.

1446
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,439
Speaker 3: Plus a dislocated fractured hit in college.

1447
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: So is playing long enough so your son's old enough

1448
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 2: to know that he's watching his dad play worth your

1449
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 2: long term health. I don't know if that's a good

1450
01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 2: enough reason.

1451
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 4: There are others.

1452
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure I don't know that that's That's not

1453
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 3: the only reason. I don't think that's a good not

1454
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 3: for long term health. No, I mean, your.

1455
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 2: Son can watch video tables playing. Isn't it more important

1456
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 2: to have a life with your son, like for the

1457
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: next fifty years of his life.

1458
01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I'll say this though, and I don't want to.

1459
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:22,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to be little or or understate. You know,

1460
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:25,560
Speaker 3: the consideration to him might have given retirement, But I

1461
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:30,160
Speaker 3: think almost every player does that every season, even Josh.

1462
01:14:30,280 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 4: This is a little different, though, isn't it?

1463
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 3: In our perception? It is, But there's consideration is still

1464
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:38,760
Speaker 3: there for everybody because you have to because it's a

1465
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 3: you got to collect yourself after the season. Man, You're

1466
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: you're beat up and you're mentally worn down. So every

1467
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 3: guy thinks like, Okay, where do I stand now? Am

1468
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 3: I gonna go on? And I are they gonna have

1469
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,200
Speaker 3: me back? Am I gonna be able to be back

1470
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 3: if I quit? What happens if? If you know, if

1471
01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 3: you call that considering retirement, Every single player in the

1472
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 3: league does it, and I think they all do. This

1473
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 3: seems to me, obviously like what you're talking about a

1474
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: little bit more than that for Tua, And I'm sure

1475
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 3: his family chimed in on this. He's got a big,

1476
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 3: strong family, his parents, siblings is obviously his family is

1477
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 3: you know, with his son. Yeah, I think this probably

1478
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 3: was a little bit more than just thinking what life

1479
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 3: would be like if he didn't play. I think he's

1480
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,880
Speaker 3: thinking about, right, should I play? That's a difference, and

1481
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 3: you know I don't. Yeah, it's a real thing.

1482
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,240
Speaker 4: It's a brain injury.

1483
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had three documented concussions. I think we would

1484
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,439
Speaker 2: all think that he had four based on what we

1485
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: saw in week three.

1486
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 3: And he knows the truth of it, right, I mean

1487
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 3: he he.

1488
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,400
Speaker 4: Lied about whether he diagnosed it or not.

1489
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 3: Right, He lied about it to the doctor so he'd

1490
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 3: get back on the field. All saw him stagger. So

1491
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 3: there's four right there that had a fifth in.

1492
01:15:57,160 --> 01:15:59,639
Speaker 2: A calendar year. I mean, that's Kevin Cobb.

1493
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 4: Terror.

1494
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: Kevin Cobb got three concussions with the Arizona Cardinals in

1495
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 2: very short proximity from one another. And I watched him

1496
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: get one of those concussions against the Bills in twenty twelve,

1497
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 2: Bills out in Arizona. That was the game they won

1498
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:20,720
Speaker 2: in overtime on a field goal. Alex Carrington blocked a

1499
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,639
Speaker 2: field goal. Jaris Bird had a couple of interceptions. They

1500
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 2: win the game nineteen sixteen. Kevin Cobb left that game

1501
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 2: early with a concussion. I got down to the locker

1502
01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:33,680
Speaker 2: room early before the game had been forced into overtime.

1503
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: I watched Kevin Cobb getting wheeled out on a stretcher

1504
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 2: to an ambulance to go to the hospital in the

1505
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 2: bowels of that stadium. And I'm telling you, remember when

1506
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 2: we saw Luke Keighley crying after a concussion, like uncontrollably

1507
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: sobbing as he was coming off the field. And I

1508
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:54,200
Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I had never seen a

1509
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 2: reaction like that, But that was like his fifth or

1510
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 2: sixth concussion of his career. It just triggered a response

1511
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: in his brain where he was just uncontrollably weeping on

1512
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 2: the field.

1513
01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 3: It was really disturbing.

1514
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was disturbing.

1515
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 2: Kevin Cobb was doing that on the stretcher on the

1516
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:12,479
Speaker 2: way to the ambulance. Then he signed with the Bills

1517
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 2: because he was supposed to start the next year and

1518
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 2: they were going to let EJ.

1519
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 4: Learn on the job. After being a first round pick.

1520
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 2: Kevin Cobb gets a concussion in the third preseason game here,

1521
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 2: gets a kick to the back of the head when

1522
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: he slides. He never played football again. Yeah, that was

1523
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,000
Speaker 2: his fifth concussion in a calendar year. And I know

1524
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,000
Speaker 2: every case is different, Steve, but close proximity are.

1525
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 3: Well, but yet the closer they are together.

1526
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:40,559
Speaker 2: So let me flip this around for you and ask

1527
01:17:40,600 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 2: you this. The Dolphins know what's up, okay. Their backup

1528
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:48,800
Speaker 2: quarterback is Mike White, formerly of the Jets. Their third

1529
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,840
Speaker 2: string quarterback is Skyler Thompson their seventh round pick last year.

1530
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: If you're the Miami Dolphins, you don't have a first

1531
01:17:54,520 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 2: round pick this year, are you drafting another quarterback worth

1532
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,040
Speaker 2: trying to trade for one that upgrades your room? Or

1533
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 2: do you just wait until next year and see if

1534
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:06,800
Speaker 2: Tua gets hurt.

1535
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,200
Speaker 3: Knowing where I'm at with the Dolphins right now, if

1536
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 3: i'm them, I'm taking it out of gear and I'm

1537
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 3: saying we're gonna live and die with Tua, and if

1538
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,080
Speaker 3: he goes down in Week two, we can we can

1539
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 3: always just say, hey, it wasn't our fault, it was

1540
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 3: to his fault. We're just gonna we get up frot

1541
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: and then we get a high draft pick next year

1542
01:18:24,920 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 3: and we take, you know, a quarterback and take the

1543
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 3: guy whoever it is, or trade for one.

1544
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:32,320
Speaker 4: So all the eggs are in the two of basket.

1545
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 3: I think they have to be. Yeah, Okay, I think

1546
01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 3: they have to be.

1547
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 4: I mean, you don't have a one this year. That

1548
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 4: makes it even harder.

1549
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 3: And I think, right exactly. And I think because of that,

1550
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 3: they can say, oh, we got stabbed in the back

1551
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,639
Speaker 3: by an injury, it's not our fault kind of thing.

1552
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:51,599
Speaker 3: And I think I would do that and put myself

1553
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 3: right back in the thing where I'm paying my head

1554
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:58,560
Speaker 3: coach to lose games for me and go back to

1555
01:18:58,600 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 3: the draft that way.

1556
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, one more, one more might

1557
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:10,519
Speaker 2: be all it takes for him, might just be one

1558
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 2: more and he he's not the guy because these and look,

1559
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm not a doctor, but I'm just going based on

1560
01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 2: what I've seen in this league before, Kevin Cobb being

1561
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 2: the prime example of this. Those are a lot of

1562
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,719
Speaker 2: concussions in a short proximity of time. Science has said

1563
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: when they happen in close proximity, they are more damaging,

1564
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 2: and the effects of the next one are even more

1565
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 2: severe than the previous one.

1566
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:40,760
Speaker 3: Right, unless you're completely one over the first one, you

1567
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:43,000
Speaker 3: are more susceptible to getting a second one, and it

1568
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 3: will take less force to give you the second one,

1569
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 3: and subsequently, if you don't heal up from the second one,

1570
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 3: takes even less to give you the third, and the

1571
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:52,080
Speaker 3: fourth and the fifth thing gets less and less before

1572
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:55,560
Speaker 3: too long. If you sneeze hard, you've got a concussions.

1573
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 3: That's how bad it is for these guys. That's what

1574
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 3: happened to guys I played with Altoon was that way,

1575
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 3: Meryl Hodge, same thing. It gets into a cycle where

1576
01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 3: you spiral down where it doesn't take anything to give

1577
01:20:08,040 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 3: you a concussion because you haven't healed.

1578
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:15,439
Speaker 2: Kevin Cobb twenty twelve November gets his fourth documented, doesn't

1579
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 2: play the rest of that year. Signs with the Bills

1580
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 2: in the offseason, gets his fifth concussion in his third

1581
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 2: preseason game in August. August, never plays again. We didn't

1582
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,000
Speaker 2: see him here at the facility the rest of the year.

1583
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean, he was struggling, dark rooms all that. It's

1584
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 2: not never came back.

1585
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:36,719
Speaker 3: He's not pretty.

1586
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,559
Speaker 4: I had guys and then ultimately retired.

1587
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:40,760
Speaker 3: Had a friend of mine say it was so bad

1588
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 3: for him. He was recovering and every day fell Wow.

1589
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 3: He said a couple of things to me. He gave

1590
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,599
Speaker 3: me the whole story. He said Wow. I'd wake up

1591
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 3: and I said, wow, I'm oh my gosh, I'm I

1592
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,680
Speaker 3: feel like I came out of it today, right like

1593
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 3: this was weeks at a couple of weeks after and

1594
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 3: he did that, and it kept happening. Another day he'd

1595
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,880
Speaker 3: wake up, he says, Wow, Now I really am I'm

1596
01:21:06,920 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 3: out of the now, I'm out of the He felt

1597
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:12,800
Speaker 3: every you know, plateau. He felt like he was at

1598
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 3: another level of consciousness where he thought he was normal

1599
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:19,559
Speaker 3: until the next one happened and he wasn't. He hadn't

1600
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 3: been thought he was. And he said one time his

1601
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 3: wife cooked him some some eggs and he's sitting there

1602
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 3: eating eggs and watching TV and stuff, and he was

1603
01:21:29,439 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: the eggs were really hot. He you know, pulled eggs.

1604
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 3: He's watching TV. Blows on the hees trying to blow

1605
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: on the eggs to cool him off. He looks down

1606
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 3: and it's and it's a tangerine, a slice of tangerine.

1607
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 3: He's trying to cool off a slice of tangerine to

1608
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 3: stick in his.

1609
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,799
Speaker 4: Mouth because it fell hot to him or he didn't realize.

1610
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 3: It was know what he was doing. Wow, this was

1611
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 3: like a month after. It takes forever. And that was

1612
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 3: him after getting a subsequent subsequent concussions, concussions, concussion. This

1613
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,519
Speaker 3: was not a guy I played with, so not a

1614
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 3: guy that wasn't on my team is on another team.

1615
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: And this was years later where he related to me

1616
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 3: how it had gone for him, and it was, you know,

1617
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 3: that's where you're at. I know I had tons of

1618
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 3: I say, tons a bunch of concussions. Three And this

1619
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:24,080
Speaker 3: is why I have a problem with an ethical problem

1620
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 3: with the me myself blaming the NFL for any injuries.

1621
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 3: I had three documented concussions that were severe for me

1622
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 3: in college at Northwestern University. So what am I gonna do?

1623
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,919
Speaker 3: Blame the NFL for all my problems? My first concussion

1624
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 3: was when I was eight years old at a basketball camp.

1625
01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 3: You know, So what am I gonna blame the NFL

1626
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 3: because I got they got the last one? You know,

1627
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 3: that's and that's the NFL. I had heard what they

1628
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:52,800
Speaker 3: were gonna come to it. They were gonna do that

1629
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 3: for all the players. Well, you had concussions at Mississippi State,

1630
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,760
Speaker 3: you had concussions at USC. What are blaming us for?

1631
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 3: You know that kind of thing. Every kid who comes

1632
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 3: through the pipeline who's done any kind of like soccer players.

1633
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 3: You know, soccer is a big one because of the

1634
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: you know, you got a young kid does a header

1635
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 3: off a hard.

1636
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 2: Kick, or two people clunk or two people clunk going

1637
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 2: up for a header.

1638
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 3: It's it's constant. It's a real issue. And that's that's

1639
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 3: the issue for sports because concussions are scary. They're not.

1640
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 3: There's you know, knee injury, serious concussions scary.

1641
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 4: Because it's a brain injury exactly.

1642
01:23:29,080 --> 01:23:32,640
Speaker 3: There's a there's always that that thought of all of

1643
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:35,280
Speaker 3: us lay people that you could be somebody, you could

1644
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 3: become somebody else or not member of your friends. You

1645
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 3: would you wouldn't be Brownie anymore, you'd be somebody else

1646
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: because of a brain injury. Right, And that's that's the

1647
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 3: scary part about it. And that's why this guy thing

1648
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 3: with Tua think considered about retirement. It's real.

1649
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 4: Well yeah, and that's.

1650
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:53,320
Speaker 2: Why I'm look, I mean, put the rivalry and all

1651
01:23:53,360 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: that other stuff aside. I'm just I just don't want

1652
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,360
Speaker 2: to see something happened to him where we were like,

1653
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 2: oh man, like this is not good, you know what

1654
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, you.

1655
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:06,560
Speaker 4: Don't want to see even happen to anybody.

1656
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 3: Even Bills fans. Don't want to go down and watch

1657
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 3: a Bill's Miami game in ten years and have two

1658
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,400
Speaker 3: a half to show up in a wheelchair, right, I

1659
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:16,720
Speaker 3: just you don't want that. For the guy.

1660
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 2: My concern is he's out of Mulligan's Like, do you

1661
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Oh yeah, I'm just worried the

1662
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:25,920
Speaker 2: next one is going to be the last one and

1663
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 2: he's going to be out of the league, like done.

1664
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 3: The same thing we think about with Mitch Morres. He's

1665
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 3: been through this and he seems to have a handle

1666
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 3: on it, you know, but he's you know, in the

1667
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 3: same kind of he's down that path a little further

1668
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 3: probably although he has had you know, he's spread his

1669
01:24:45,080 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 3: out right, it seems like, except for the one year

1670
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 3: he spent in Kansas City. But you get these guys

1671
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 3: nowadays too, if you get and this is I'm just

1672
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 3: taking this for grant. I haven't talked to anybody about it,

1673
01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 3: but the helmets are very different nowadays.

1674
01:24:58,439 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 4: And they have new ones this year uarterback specifically.

1675
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 3: Right, and you can and a guy like Mitch Morris

1676
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 3: could say, listen, give me a quarterback helmet, you know,

1677
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 3: and that I would I would get one of these.

1678
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,640
Speaker 3: It would look comical, the size of it. We used

1679
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: to make fun of Mark Kelso and Hiss had nothing

1680
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,960
Speaker 3: to do with concussions. His had to do with my grains.

1681
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,559
Speaker 3: He got hit one time and then he lost vision

1682
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 3: because it went down you know, tunnel tunnel vision, and

1683
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:30,320
Speaker 3: it happened a lot. He was cognitively okay, but he'd

1684
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 3: lose vision, so he had the big helmet. You do it, like, yeah,

1685
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 3: give me the big helmet if it means I can

1686
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:40,879
Speaker 3: play pro football and do it safely.

1687
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I just you know, I don't know to

1688
01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 2: A at all, Like right, I don't know him or whatever,

1689
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 2: but I just don't want to see And look, I

1690
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 2: get it. He's a competitive person. He wants to keep playing.

1691
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 2: He's very young in his career and the guy was

1692
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty draft.

1693
01:26:00,400 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 4: For goodness sakes, He's played three years.

1694
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 2: I just I just hope he's making the right call here,

1695
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 2: because anything can happen on a field on any given Sunday,

1696
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 2: as we know and as we've seen. And I just

1697
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 2: think he's a he's out of Mulligan's with the amount

1698
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 2: of concussions he's had in the last six months, and

1699
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 2: I just hope that the worst doesn't happen to him

1700
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 2: and prematurely end his career.

1701
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:26,080
Speaker 3: And I know too, You and I believe and have

1702
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 3: talked about. We were really facetious about it when it

1703
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 3: happened when he when he went down in the Bills game.

1704
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:32,880
Speaker 3: When Milano actually Malona got a penalty when he two

1705
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 3: hands and just shoved him. He banged his head on

1706
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 3: the ground like we saw him do later in the

1707
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 3: season for the last concussion that he got where he

1708
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 3: came back and the next days when they got diagnosed.

1709
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 3: We've been facetious about it, but that.

1710
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 2: Well, it was more about the handling of it than

1711
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 2: him suffering one.

1712
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 3: The problem has always handling of it was common. Well,

1713
01:26:52,160 --> 01:26:57,400
Speaker 3: here's the problem. The problem is this you're asking. Every

1714
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 3: doctor will tell you and it's common. We all know it.

1715
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 3: The doctor basically says how you feel, and you got

1716
01:27:06,200 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 3: to give him feedback. You got to protect the player

1717
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 3: from himself. He's gonna lie to you because he wants

1718
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,840
Speaker 3: to play, even when he's loopy. That's the way they are.

1719
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: So somehow, some way you got to take their feedback

1720
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,720
Speaker 3: out of it. And that's impossible at the pomp. At

1721
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 3: the moment, I don't know how they're gonna do it

1722
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 3: unless they've got something right there. Hook him up quick booms.

1723
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:32,719
Speaker 3: Can he go back in? No, you know, you can't

1724
01:27:32,760 --> 01:27:35,719
Speaker 3: let the player have a voice. And that's crazy because

1725
01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 3: he's the patient. That's the problem. It's one of those

1726
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Speaker 3: it's one of those situations where there's no easy answer.

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Speaker 4: I'm not Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 2: I'm not wishing the guy's success when he plays against

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Speaker 2: the Bills, But man, I just hope he can get

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Speaker 2: through a season healthy for his sake and it's long

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Speaker 2: term health for him.

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Speaker 4: And his family. We got to take a break here.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, Steve and I close it up

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Speaker 2: with some final thoughts on the tweet sheet. Would you

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Speaker 2: train up a couple of spots for us certain prospect?

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Speaker 2: We'll see what you have to say next year. On

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Speaker 2: One Bill's Live, presented by Colid of Health. It's Buffalo

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Speaker 2: Bill's Radio. All right back on One Bill's Live. Some

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Speaker 2: final thoughts on the tweet sheet in terms of who

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Speaker 2: you might trade up just a couple of spots for

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01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: like the Bills last year.

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01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 4: Did to get Kay or Elam?

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Speaker 2: Doctor M on the tweet sheet says Darnell Right, Pulsar

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Speaker 2: twenty two says b Jon Robinson, Tim says in Jigbu,

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Speaker 2: Buffalo Fans says none, and then go Bill says, position wise,

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Speaker 2: it should only be for a quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Well, we ain't taking a quarterback right so there, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The Bills did that in twenty eighteen when they traded

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Speaker 2: up for Josh. That same year, they also traded up

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Speaker 2: for a middle linebacker in Tremaine Edmonds, and last year,

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Speaker 2: as we know, they traded up for a corner kyr Ela.

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Speaker 2: Those are their three trades up.

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Speaker 4: In Round one. Since Brandon Bean has overseen the draft

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Speaker 4: for the Bills.

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Speaker 3: Ye, so he said, it's just as likely to trade

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Speaker 3: out as a trade up or trade back as a

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Speaker 3: trade up. Maybe Still, it's gonna be riveting TV, and

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Speaker 3: tomorrow will be a week away, think about it.

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Speaker 2: That's it for us today. We remind you to join

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Speaker 2: us tomorrow at one.

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Speaker 4: We'll have ESPN's Matt Bowing on with us to discuss

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Speaker 4: some of these NFL prospects. We'll see it one