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Speaker 3: our episode. I was reading this article in The Advocate

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Speaker 5: They made that villain, the villain.

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Speaker 1: But those people who won't be there to speak up

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Speaker 1: street we are, but everything's getting outsourced anyways. So I

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Speaker 1: haven't worked in Los Angeles and in the citul sans

430
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Speaker 1: filming in over seven years. Wow, I've worked in Florida, Toronto, Spain.

431
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: I've filmed in all these different countries and states. Utah

432
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: just filmed in Utah for two months earlier this year.

433
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: I've yet to film something in my backyard. Wow. I

434
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Speaker 1: think the last time I shot something in Los Angeles

435
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 1: was the pilot for Shadows, which was over seven years ago.

436
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 1: And then the pilot move got picked up and they're like,

437
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: we're going to Toronto. And it's like what because they

438
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 1: literally was so excited to be. I love nothing more

439
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 1: than going to work in Los Angeles and then going

440
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: home after a day of work and then going to

441
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: or going to dinner with some friends, see my friends

442
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: after shooting. You know, like sometimes now with everything be

443
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: an outsourced, you get placed somewhere else you got to be.

444
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: You live in Spain for three months and now it's

445
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 1: like you don't know anyone in Spain. You know, like

446
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: you show up and you're like, oh, when you start

447
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: a routine, this is my grocery store, that's my coffee shop,

448
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: that's my and then when you start getting settle, you

449
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: pick up your bags and you go get them and

450
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: you're like ah, But then every time I do that,

451
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,920
Speaker 1: I always look forward to coming here, coming back to La.

452
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: Like you gotta go to La, you gotta have the

453
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 1: best back, you know. Like the way I think of

454
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 1: LA is like an advertisement. I'm the biggest, Like even

455
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 1: if I'm not in LA, I'll be telling people to

456
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: go to LA. Like I'll be in Toronto, but you

457
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: gotta go to LA. It's like you're not there. It's

458
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 1: like you gotta go.

459
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Speaker 5: Okay.

460
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Speaker 4: I have to ask, what are your spots that you

461
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Speaker 4: recommend folks when they're visiting, or where do you take

462
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Speaker 4: people that are like, Okay, you're you're not from here,

463
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: We're not going to the West Side, We're going to

464
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 4: go to my neighborhood, you know what I mean? Or

465
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Speaker 4: like the spots that I like that are off the

466
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Speaker 4: beaten path, You're like locals only type of place.

467
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if I were to do like really

468
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: good like Asian food, I go to Sengabrie's by the

469
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 1: Singer Row Mission. And if I were to go to

470
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Speaker 1: get back Goals, there was this taco lady. You had

471
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Speaker 1: a truck that was off of Wielshure and Rampart and

472
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Speaker 1: she would I don't even know where the name of

473
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Speaker 1: the truck is, but she would park right there on

474
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Speaker 1: a Wilshare and Rampart or mostly on rampart and every

475
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: night she'd be there. So it was like a thing

476
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: that I would do, Like if I feel like that goes,

477
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: I literally would go out of my wig up on

478
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Speaker 1: wheelshire and churn and park the car, eat thought goes

479
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Speaker 1: at the you know stand and then like go home.

480
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 1: But like that was the thing you could do because

481
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Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I want to go to

482
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Speaker 1: a good type place, chit lata. Yeah, a lota is

483
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: a great type place where like it's home in the wall.

484
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Speaker 1: But now everyone knows about it because it got out.

485
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 1: But I remember when y'all like no one knew about it,

486
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: Like it was literally like three four tables inside. Now

487
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: they'd expanding stuff, but the secrets always get out and

488
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: I would TikTok and stuff. Like it's like and sometimes

489
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Speaker 1: you want to gig keep certain things and you're like no,

490
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Speaker 1: what did you don't? Yeah, And then you go the

491
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: next time and they're overwhelmed and it's like a line

492
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Speaker 1: and you're like, well, no, it's and then something happens

493
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: when like you need to mass produce things and like

494
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: the quality changes and it's like well now we got

495
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: lined and now it's like it's like yeah, but you

496
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: didn't take the time that you did before, and now

497
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Speaker 1: it's like you're like, uh, see how you liked it before.

498
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: Because when it gets too.

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Speaker 4: Hyph it's so so confusing for me as as like, oh, man,

500
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Speaker 4: I want this local business to thrive, but at the

501
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 4: same time, like I don't want to blow up my

502
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Speaker 4: own spot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, don't put it on TikTok, but I

504
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: get it.

505
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Speaker 1: I get it, and the ones that I have told

506
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: people about, I'm okay with live because at some level

507
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: it's gone out a little bit. So I was like people, Oh,

508
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,360
Speaker 1: go to you know, and I'm like, go to Jilada.

509
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 1: But it's still it's still advertising it. But it's also

510
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: now everyone knows, you know what I mean. So it's

511
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: like it's still good food. I mean, she does jazz,

512
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Speaker 1: that's her name. Her brother and her open that restaurant,

513
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: and she does the cuisines like it's Southern Thai cuisine

514
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: and so it's like really unique and specific and I

515
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: love it and I just think it's great and it's

516
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 1: it's still good. The quality has not gone bad to

517
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Speaker 1: a lot of it's really good. What I would just say,

518
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:51,080
Speaker 1: there's so many places I like a good seafood boil too,

519
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: so I would oil. So I used to go all

520
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: the way to when the boiling crab was only in

521
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: certain areas here. One of them wasn't in Sana and

522
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: I moved to downtown by off a valley, Yes, in

523
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Speaker 1: al Hamburg and a Hambur and al Hamburg Yes. And

524
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: it had n't move to sting Gaboro because on main

525
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: Street that got one too, and something happened. They just

526
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: opened that location and closed this location and it wasn't

527
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: the same, like it was just like the shift happened.

528
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: And I went to that one. I was like, something's

529
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: a like something it's there, but it's also they started

530
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: popping everywhere. This one in Korea Town on a wheelshare

531
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Speaker 1: on wheel share in that plaza that's like honeycomb ice

532
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: cream swirrel so and that one's always busy, always busy.

533
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Speaker 2: So they opened a takeout portion, and.

534
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Speaker 1: Did you know that you can even if you go

535
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Speaker 1: from the takeout, if you go to.

536
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Speaker 3: The doorst you sit down and evening you're boiling crab.

537
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Speaker 1: Because I was also thinking how did they stay open

538
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: because they got doll whip and they got like drinks

539
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: and that's it and that's it. And I was like,

540
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,400
Speaker 1: what you guys said, this is rents expensive?

541
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Speaker 3: You know.

542
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 1: It was just like so very smart. They're like, we

543
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: got all these tables. You just buy a dolt and

544
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: keep us afloat and eat that float. It's genius and

545
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: so so like, I'm not waiting an hour and a

546
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: half in the line. I was like, come on. I

547
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: was like, I want food now, and so we started

548
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: doing that and actually, now we'll just go do that,

549
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: like to go get the ordered ahead of time for takeout,

550
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: just go pick it up and go sit down, have

551
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: a dol wave because the dope's good. Right. I also

552
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: didn't think that combination would go together, but it.

553
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 2: Pairs nice nice somehow, somehow it goes good.

554
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, the boiling crab that's another one. And there's

555
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: other ones that pop up, but not as good.

556
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 3: They have like different names, juicy crab, yeah, the screaming shrimps, whatever,

557
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: what have you.

558
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 1: I think they changed. I think they would call the

559
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: boiling shrimp and it was too close to the boiling

560
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: crab or something, and then the name changes like screaming shrimp.

561
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, there's so many good places and might we

562
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 3: just add all of these recommendations would not exist if

563
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: not for the immigrant community. Thank you who created these

564
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: establishments and cook the delicious food and make La the

565
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: place that it is. And like we would have nothing,

566
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 3: We would have nothing here without our immigrant communities.

567
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: Have a little more respect and more thankful and everyone

568
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: take that that part note. Yeah, damn, I love LA.

569
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: I love it.

570
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: I also want to shout out your T shirt. But

571
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 3: I just realized it's I thought it was I thought

572
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 3: it was the Chargers, but it's the Bravo Real Housewives University.

573
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed. What's your favorite franchise?

574
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: Let's talk.

575
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 5: God.

576
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: So Miami just came back, okay, and I haven't caught up,

577
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: but apparently there's already like drama and like I can't wait.

578
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it today. Probably I was really big

579
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: on salt Lake. I love salt Lake. I've actually become

580
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: friends with Bronwyn from and Todd. Todd and I have

581
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: had dinner like three times already. Like Bronway has been

582
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: filming and going out in town, and he travels a

583
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 1: lot to New York and so like he's a collector

584
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: of mugs and so he collect Starbucks smugs, I don't

585
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: know that story in season one, I think or two,

586
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: but he collects my some Starbucks from around the world.

587
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: So I went and I was doing something in Iowa,

588
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: and I texted him like, have you been in Iowa?

589
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: He's like no, and I was like, do you want

590
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: a muggs? Like, yes, bring it, please bring it. So

591
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I brought him a mug. And then sometime I go back.

592
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I was filming in Utah. That's why we were hanging

593
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: out and like, I'm like, I'm flying back from Iowa

594
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: to Utah. Brought him a mug there, and then I

595
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 1: flew to do a gig in Florida and I went

596
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: to Epic Universe, the new theme park, and they have

597
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: a Starbucks in there, so it's even harder to get

598
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: that mug, and so I was like, do you want

599
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: this mug? Yes, please bring So literally I'm going around

600
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,479
Speaker 1: places and bringing him mugs to add his already extensive

601
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: collection because he travels the world for business and literally

602
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: the Nicest guy, like the nicest guy and Bronwin is

603
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: amazing and I love that franchise and it's just like

604
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: they're getting like some of the stuff that's happened. I'm

605
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: excited for Let's say, I'm excited for this new season.

606
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, is gen Shaw still in prison?

607
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's gotten her like sentence reduced like every

608
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: day okay, Like it was like I don't know how many,

609
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: maybe three years supposed to be Now it's like sixteen months.

610
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: And it went down to like she'll be home by

611
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: Thanksgiven if they were Christmas, Oh wow, oh good fe

612
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: shop yeah, and now that the cameras will be rolling,

613
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: Like I just excited. I couldn't believe I was watching

614
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: that and it was happening in real time and I

615
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: was like why what? And I was like, oh my god,

616
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: Like this is no longer like just watching you know,

617
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: very wealthy women do crazy, outrageous things. It's just like, no,

618
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: this is like real stuff. And also I think about

619
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: when you put your life on camera like that, you're

620
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: opening up, you know, people to ask questions. So I

621
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: think everyone in history who has you know, Teresa and

622
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: Housewives and New Jersey because the cameras are rolling and

623
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: one show off this fabulous life and then people start asking,

624
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: how are you living this fabulous life? What do you

625
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: do for work? Jen? We never even got an answer,

626
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: like it was Jen would always have an assistance, like but

627
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: assistant to what you know? It's like we never had

628
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: the answer of like where do you work?

629
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 2: You know there's always roller skating in the office.

630
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it was always roller skate in the office.

631
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: And it's like she is the original like meme, it's

632
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: like what do you do? I'm an accountant and it's

633
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: like where do you work? Where accountants work? What do

634
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: you do in that office? Things that accountants do?

635
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the exorbitant wealth of each of the housewives, And

636
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 3: then it's funny then watching them question each other's wealth

637
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 3: or call out each well, you don't even own your

638
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 3: house is on a main street.

639
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: Also like shaming people for reno. It's like they still

640
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: pay their bills. The difference is sometimes when stones are thrown,

641
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: it's usually that person ends up being like it's like

642
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: you should it won't age well, No, it won't age.

643
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Speaker 1: It never ages well. And you're like looking back at

644
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, I mean even earlier, like reruns

645
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: of like the Kardashians or something, when I see that

646
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: and I see there was one clip where back then

647
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: Bruce was like I can't do it. You girls with

648
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: their with your heels and just all that stuff.

649
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: And a.

650
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: Like watching that was like and then you can see

651
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: Kim's face because I think at that point they had

652
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: discovered something you know that was only in the family

653
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: known or whatnot. But she's literally looking at him like

654
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: trying to smile and then like move from this conversation.

655
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: But the idea that that didn't age well and then

656
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: now to look and also you know their stand and

657
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: where they stand with like trans community and the way they've.

658
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: Supported Caitlyn is an outrageous Republican.

659
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just so crazy to think how someone in

660
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: your position, you know, could I actually use this platform

661
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: and would be so helpful to the trans community and

662
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: a weird twist of events has been so.

663
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 3: Hurtful, so hurtful in an odd way, Like Caitlyn Jenner

664
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: is almost like a turfy trans person. Yeah, yeah, very

665
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 3: anti trans in her own politics.

666
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,959
Speaker 1: Which is such a mind Yes, you become what you

667
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: are attacking and you hate, you hate, you hate yourself.

668
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: How do you feel about that? Like, is do you

669
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 4: feel that there's a responsibility for folks of like maybe

670
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 4: marginalized identities or backgrounds and then are in positions of

671
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 4: maybe power or are more resourced or celebrities to speak

672
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: on certain topics or issues that are affecting their own community.

673
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel that being in the public eye already

674
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: gonna have some kind of you know, platform. It's how

675
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: you use it. And I feel that, you know, especially

676
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: with marginalized communities, I feel that it's important. I know

677
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: that I always get asked about like being queer, and

678
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: I always get and I'll be like, yes, let's talk

679
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: about it, because it's a conversation, it's an ongoing dialogue.

680
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: I think it's when you don't use your platform to

681
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: stand for something, then you kind of brush off and

682
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: fall for anything. You know. It's like, what's that was saying,

683
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything, Right.

684
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: So the idea is that you don't have to like

685
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: feel that you have to have the rainbow flag is

686
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: you know, every day carrying down the street and have

687
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 1: your own prey. But you do have to a responsibility

688
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: to your community that you came from the people who

689
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: pave the way before you, and hopefully you are doing

690
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: stepping stones for the next person who comes behind you,

691
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: so it won't be as hard for them that it

692
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: might have been for you. And definitely it was before me,

693
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: and it's just like it and become so comfortable. It's

694
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: like we're good. People know people are gay. It's fine,

695
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 1: It's like right, yeah, but you know, we don't live

696
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: in like Nebraska, and we don't live in the Middle

697
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: America where it's a twelve year old boys, you know,

698
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: doubting if he lets someone in, and if he does

699
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: let someone in, it goes terribly wrong and they aren

700
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: alive themselves because they had nowhere to reach. And we

701
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: take those like suicide prevention hotlines away. If you take

702
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: those away, you're literally killing children. You're taking the opportunity

703
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: for someone to just pick up a phone and be like, hey,

704
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm having a hard time. I live in a small

705
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: town and this is like I'm the only queer person

706
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: that I know. I'm afraid to come out those kind

707
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: of you know, stories that people don't hear about because well,

708
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: everyone's okay with gay pride. You know, it's like it's

709
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: pride and it's like right, but it's an ongoing conversation.

710
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: I feel that it's a queer artist. It's a conversation

711
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: that I keep having and then if something might feel repetitive,

712
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 1: but I don't think it is because that was someone's

713
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: first time listening to you talk about it. So it

714
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: might feel repetitive to the people in the industry. It

715
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: might feel repetitive to someone's like, oh, there you go

716
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: again talking about queerness, talking about get you know, it's like, yeah,

717
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: I'm not going to stop talking about it. And it's

718
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: like because it might be the one time that someone

719
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: listened to me on this show for the first time

720
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: and it helped them. Yeah, it might be that one person.

721
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: So if you helped one person, then yeah, it's worth

722
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: talking about.

723
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 3: And this Pride Month twenty twenty five, after the six

724
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: months we've had, after everything that's been going on, the

725
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: way that the community is under attack, and also the

726
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 3: way that I think Pride has been criticized for becoming

727
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: so corporate over the years, what are your hopes for

728
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: Pride this month and what it might look like.

729
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: Well, I think that now more than ever, especially with

730
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: the last six months, Pride is you know, we saw

731
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: a lot of companies pull out of sponsorship and New

732
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: York Pride a lot of So it also asks the question,

733
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: were you an ally or were you you know, benefiting

734
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: from this because it's also a tax. Right off, you

735
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 1: donated the money and you support Pride, but then it's

736
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: no longer safe to support Pride, and you feel that

737
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: you oh wait, wait, wait, we're not gonna We're not

738
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: gonna sponsor this year. We totally love Pride, we just

739
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,839
Speaker 1: got to keep it a little bit under wraps. We

740
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 1: love you know. And it's like the whispering of like

741
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: can you a little bit louder? Are you no longer?

742
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 1: Are you standing by me? Are you standing? Where are

743
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: you going? And it's like are you hiding behind me?

744
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: Are you standing by me? Are you hiding behind me?

745
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: And I think for so long we think that these

746
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: were like allies and we're like holding hands and like, yes,

747
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: it's become corporated, putting rainbows on a shirt that you know,

748
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: at a target and whatnot. Are you making money off

749
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: of this group, this marginalized group. But when we show

750
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: up to the when we show up to the stream,

751
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: we're like, you're standing by Where do they go? Where

752
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: do they go? Oh my god, you're behind me. It's like, yes,

753
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: you go, Coca Cock, you go, you go, you go, Pride,

754
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: Pride and you're still behind me though, And as soon

755
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: as it's the coast is clear? Is it clear? Support?

756
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 4: You know?

757
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Is it okay? Because I don't want to dot my company?

758
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to good you know, now when it's

759
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: popular again, they're going to come to the side again.

760
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: You can't be using as a shield. Either you're standing

761
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: beside me or don't stand behind me. This is just

762
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: simple and even.

763
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 3: And within the queer community, yes, right, because there's so

764
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: much intersectionality and there's so many layers and how do

765
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 3: we how do we come together and make sure that

766
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: the entire queer community is supporting our immigrant queer community

767
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: and showing up for the attacks on our immigrant queer community.

768
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: I think Pride being this month and what's happening is

769
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: the perfect like moment to merge that. Yeah, I think

770
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: that would be a great idea to like kind of

771
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: and I've seen it happen with small queer groups that

772
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: have organized like this is we were showing up and

773
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: this is the queer group that's showing up because and

774
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: I've seen that with other ethnicities that showed up and

775
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, African American community showing up for

776
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: like there is pockets happening. But I do think it's

777
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: it is important to have the queer community show up,

778
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: especially if this is the month that you're doing it,

779
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: you're showing up. I think this is what a great

780
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: place to do a parade, ye to take it to

781
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: the streets and show and show that you're representing this community.

782
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: Where your feather boa, where are your rainbows? Where to

783
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: show that you're there in support and solidary. So I

784
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: think that this is a perfect month to do that.

785
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: Also with like different you know, groups like Altadena the

786
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: fires that just happened, they were going to cancel Pride

787
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: because it's a small community and they it's more of

788
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: a walk through with the community and it's a you know,

789
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: a couple hundred people. It's not like West Hollywood where

790
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: it's become you know, marketed with like big floats and

791
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: whatnot and sponsored by and.

792
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 2: There's a lot of money.

793
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of money in the West Hollywood. And

794
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 1: then you know, I've noticed that this there's a division

795
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 1: also happened because there's Downtown La Pride, there's West Hollywood Pride,

796
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: and even altad You it's not as big is like,

797
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: but it is Pride and it's still there. And I

798
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: would encourage people to especially what's happening. We're taking that

799
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: in Altadena like into our own hands. And this weekend,

800
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: on the next weekend, we're having Altadena Pride, and we're

801
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: having presentation, we're having uh bringing the community and what

802
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: makes the town so great, Like we're having a actually

803
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: like pay we have someone teachings outside. Like it's like

804
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: we're bringing that. We're like, this is a mixed community

805
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: and we're queer, and we're children of immigrants, immigrants ourselves too,

806
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: and we're queer as well, so it's another layer to that.

807
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: But I think this is the month that you're right

808
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 1: that it should be kind of a merger. Such a

809
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: great thing would be for everyone because we're sure to

810
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,960
Speaker 1: like either you go into West Hollywood or you're going

811
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: to Downtown Pride. If you don't. If you go Downtown Pride,

812
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't. They don't talk to each other, you know.

813
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: It's kind of the division within the own queer community.

814
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 1: And we do that already. It's like when you go

815
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: to West Hollywood, everyone every gay man looks the same,

816
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, and it's been even told it this is

817
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: how a gay man looks, and there and a Donnis

818
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: that they're blonde and they're blue eyed and six pack,

819
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: and that's fine if you like that, that's fine, And

820
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: it's like that's beautiful itself. But there's so much division

821
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: within the community. It's like, are you a chub, no fats,

822
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: no fams, no Asian? Like that idea that you're we're

823
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: like pride united together?

824
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 3: Ill?

825
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: Not if you're fat pride You're not ill, not even femine.

826
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: You gotta be masking them, okay, but chup pride united?

827
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: No?

828
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: Not if you're Asian. It's like, what are we doing?

829
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: Like there's a division within our own community already, and

830
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: then how do we how are we unite it when

831
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: we're separating each other all the time. And so I

832
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: think it starts with like get together and this group

833
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: put everything aside from the West Hollywood Pride in the

834
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: Downtown Pride and how about we just have pride together

835
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: and go and march all of us? Yeah?

836
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 4: And how many like younger queers do you feel like

837
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,280
Speaker 4: maybe don't even know pride history or their own queer history,

838
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 4: because if you think about the queer history of this country,

839
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: like it was radical, it was not a parade. Yeah,

840
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: and beyond the stonewall riots right, or the Uprising. It's

841
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: like lesbian's taking care of gay men with aids. You know,

842
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 4: it's the Act up movement. It's not just this corporate parade.

843
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 5: You know.

844
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: It's not just it's great that we feel we can

845
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: be free in some ways, but that's actually not our

846
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 4: history in this country.

847
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 5: And so do you feel like maybe that's getting lost?

848
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 1: I think so people forget that. You know, one of

849
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: the first riots was actually here at the Black Cat

850
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: tell us so literally, but that didn't get as publicized

851
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: as the one in Stonewall. So we actually had like

852
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: queer people writing here in Los Angeles, but it kind

853
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: of got brushed under the rug. But if you go

854
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: to the Black Cat, they still have pictures of that

855
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 1: like riot, and they're right outside like marching. And it's

856
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: so funny because unless you go and research it and

857
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, that's true, no one's really

858
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: talking about it, and especially the younger generation, like I

859
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: feel like the old thing, know, it's like Stonewall, and

860
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: even then it's like what happened in Stone. It's like,

861
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Speaker 1: I think what's so funny about Stone was that the

862
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: reason I got so much media was that it was

863
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Speaker 1: literally the week that Judy Garland died and the case

864
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: had had it like it was just like and then

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Speaker 1: she died that week, and then the next thing, you know,

866
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Speaker 1: they're trying to raid this bar and they're like absolutely,

867
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: not today, not today. And it was like literally like

868
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: it just got so much media attention, and that's why

869
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: people were like, oh my god, what's happening in New York.

870
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: But we also had riots in la that didn't get

871
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: as much attention. And that's what we're talking about earlier.

872
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: How sometimes things are omitted from history. Yeah, and then

873
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: we find out later like, wait, that happened. When did

874
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: that happen? How come it's not it's like, oh well

875
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: they just left it out because they were talking about

876
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: that riot. It's like, but this is important too, showing

877
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: that Angelino's back then, immigrants queer Angelino's showed up to

878
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: riot back then. You know. It's just like that was

879
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: omitted from the books.

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00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: And as a response to oppression, to violence, I think

882
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: so often and now it's uh, the demonstrations and the

883
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 3: responses to oppression are talked about, la is rioting, la

884
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 3: is on fire, Eli's rioting, you know, and it's so

885
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 3: much more than like a spontaneous.

886
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Speaker 2: Social action.

887
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: It's a response to people have enough. You know, people

888
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 3: have had enough. People are tired of being up persecuted

889
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: and targeted and imprisoned and denied rights. And after a while,

890
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: the community it comes to a boil and then we

891
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 3: have a rioting in the streets or demonstrating, rallying in

892
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 3: the streets, whatever.

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00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: You call it.

894
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: And I think that's really important too, is the history

895
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 3: has to include the pressure cooker and the things that

896
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 3: were happening that led the community to riot.

897
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 2: Because we're peaceful people.

898
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 3: We don't actually want to riot, right, love rioting, but

899
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: you push people to a point where we have no

900
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: choice but to come together and to act.

901
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: And oh they're going to document. Is the explain not

902
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: the well you did the formula. These are the ingredients

903
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: that led to this.

904
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 4: Maybe if they hadn't rated a working class community in

905
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 4: the garment district, this wouldn't have happened.

906
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 5: Let's not forget that.

907
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: Well why did you omit that part? You know, all

908
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: you saw was the explosion. Look at them, see see

909
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: how they are, and it's like no, stop, look at

910
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: the stepping stones that led to this. This was the

911
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: boiling point. But it took a lot of ingredients to

912
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: get there, and you had your hand in the ingredients.

913
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 2: You did this stirring the pot.

914
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: You're stirring the pot. And then when you see the

915
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: reaction of your formula and your recipe, this is what

916
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: you got. But all you're gonna see is WHOA, this

917
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: soup exploded in my face. You're the one putting that

918
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: pepper in that. You know, you're the one stirring the.

919
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 5: Pot, raising the flame.

920
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: You are raising the flame. You're doing this, So don't

921
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: put onto me what you're doing. You know you did this,

922
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: But we're not going to sit back and just stay

923
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: quiet and be like, well, I hope this soup works out.

924
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like, no, no, you did this,

925
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: so this is the outcome of that. But let's get

926
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: it straight and get that story. So then in history

927
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: books they don't omit that part because I'm pretty sure

928
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,400
Speaker 1: we didn't know what part is going to be aimed

929
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: at being talked about.

930
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, they say, what history is written by the victors,

931
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 3: And I think this is a big part of why

932
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: we have so much missing history. The powers it be

933
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: they write the textbooks, but they can also come in

934
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 3: and ban books, and we lose so much knowledge generationally.

935
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 3: And then I think it's up to like the arts

936
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: often and creatives to supplement and remind and dig up

937
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 3: the old history and put it into movies and put

938
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 3: it into TV shows and write new books and write

939
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 3: plays and remind us of what happened.

940
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: It's like that there's a lion wicket that goes, is

941
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: one a crusader or vicious invader? It's all in which

942
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: label is able to persist. It's just like, that's so true.

943
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: It's like where the wizard says is sah, where I

944
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: come from? We tell all sorts of lies. We call

945
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: it history.

946
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 3: Hmm.

947
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: It's just like the idea that like that's so true,

948
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: Like it's written by yeah, it's how who controls that narrative? Yeah? Yeah,

949
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: Well I think we're here too. And this serves as

950
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: a piece of evidence so people can look back at

951
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: this recording today and be like, what was happening that.

952
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Let's look up some archives and then this is the evidence.

953
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: So if you need evidence, it's right here. We just

954
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: talked about it. It's recorded.

955
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: Boom bang up. That's it, And thank you so much

956
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 3: for sharing everything. You've shared with us today. You know,

957
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: we came in with with notes and ready to talk

958
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,720
Speaker 3: about your acting career and the roles that you've played,

959
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: but you brought in so much rich conversation and I

960
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 3: can tell you've been really thinking very deeply about the

961
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 3: world and the state that we're in and the crisis

962
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 3: and how to respond. So we really appreciate you for

963
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: bringing all of that to the show today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. This has been great and

965
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: like healing to kind of it's hard to talk about

966
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: it and not you know, get emotional, but it's also

967
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 1: good to talk about because you should voice it and

968
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: we should talk about our feelings. So thanks for letting

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Speaker 1: me vent.

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