WEBVTT - How Unions Can Protect Trans Rights

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<v Speaker 1>Cool media.

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<v Speaker 2>It could happen here. I'm Garrison Davis, and yeah, it's happening.

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<v Speaker 2>The past few years, I've been writing about how the

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<v Speaker 2>religious right has been trying to roll back trans rights,

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<v Speaker 2>take away gender affirming health care, and essentially remove trans

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<v Speaker 2>people from public life. And the day that I'm writing this,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump just issued an executive order aiming to ban

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<v Speaker 2>gender affirming health care for everyone below the age of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen in the United States, with promises to weaponize the

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Department and alter the national Health guidelines for gender

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<v Speaker 2>affirming care. And unfortunately this is just the start. But

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<v Speaker 2>this won't be a wallowing in the Doom and Gloom episode,

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<v Speaker 2>nor will I be laying out the fool proof solution

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<v Speaker 2>to get us out of this predicament. Instead, we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>hearing from two people who are trying to do something

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<v Speaker 2>to affect change in the physical world. Last month, Mia

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<v Speaker 2>and I talked with Neha and Cassie, who are organizers

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<v Speaker 2>and baristas with Starbucks workers Unite It, and they also

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<v Speaker 2>co facilitate that union's trans rights action committee called Track

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<v Speaker 2>And specifically the topic of this episode is how to

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<v Speaker 2>use union organizing as a way to fight for trans

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<v Speaker 2>rights and secure access to gender affirming healthcare, which is

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately an increasingly critical issue. We've already had conservative states

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<v Speaker 2>like Tennessee pressuring private insurance companies to drop covering gender

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<v Speaker 2>affirming care by blocking insurers from contracting with the state's

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<v Speaker 2>medicaid program, basically holding it hostage, and now with the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government threatening gender affirming care and seemingly more and

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<v Speaker 2>more restrictions kind of on the horizon. Working outside the

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<v Speaker 2>state and not relying on government programs like Medicare and

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<v Speaker 2>Medicaid will only become more necessary, and union organizing is

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<v Speaker 2>one way to do that. A union contract, union infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 2>and the collective resources of you and your fellow union

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<v Speaker 2>workers can help protect trans people in the workplace and

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<v Speaker 2>get us the things we need. If you already have

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<v Speaker 2>a union at your workplace, you can get more involved

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<v Speaker 2>and fight to prioritize trans rights. And if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a union, you can work to secure access to

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<v Speaker 2>gender affirm and care through unionizing your workplace and having

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<v Speaker 2>healthcare protections as a core part of your contract. For

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<v Speaker 2>more on that topic, I'm going to play the conversation

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<v Speaker 2>between my fellow union member Mia and Neha and Cassie

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<v Speaker 2>from Starbucks Workers United, and I'll occasionally pop back in

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<v Speaker 2>to provide some context. Here's Cassie.

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<v Speaker 3>When you fight for a collective bargaining agreement, a contract

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<v Speaker 3>between union workers and their employer, you can fight for

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<v Speaker 3>gender affirming care to be included in the healthcare that's provided,

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<v Speaker 3>and make sure that that healthcare is affordable and actually

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<v Speaker 3>usable by the people working there, and that their wages

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<v Speaker 3>are adequate to cover out of pocket expenses, including travel

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<v Speaker 3>expenses if you live in a state that's coming under threat.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is not just healthcare that is under threat

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<v Speaker 2>right now. Just days into office, Trump already started to

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<v Speaker 2>roll back Biden era federal discrimination protections. Last Monday, the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump aadmin sent a memo ordering a freeze to all

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<v Speaker 2>federal grants, loans, and aid, requiring a sort of audit

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure the recipients of those funds use the money

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that quote conforms to the administration priorities unquote,

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<v Speaker 2>and not to promote quote DEI and woke gender ideology unquote.

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<v Speaker 2>On Tuesday, a judge temporarily halted the order, and on Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 2>the White House revoked the directive. But this clearly demonstrates

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<v Speaker 2>what the new priorities are for the conservative government, and

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<v Speaker 2>they will most certainly try this again, probably in a

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<v Speaker 2>more targeted discriminatory fashion to limit the general backlash. But

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<v Speaker 2>even as the government starts openly allowing discrimination or even

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging it, discrimination protections is still something that unions can

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<v Speaker 2>write into their contract.

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<v Speaker 3>Having non discrimination language in a contract that covers gender

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<v Speaker 3>identity is a really critical way to improve not just

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<v Speaker 3>for yourself, but then also we talk about these things

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<v Speaker 3>like hiring discrimination. If you get that kind of language

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<v Speaker 3>in a contract at a union job, that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>help everyone who comes after you. Because additionally, as a union,

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<v Speaker 3>you have the mechanism of enforcement of aggrievance and an

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<v Speaker 3>arbitration procedure. Right, that's sort of, you know, the critical

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<v Speaker 3>in addition to obviously all the kind of actions you

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<v Speaker 3>can perform. And you know, we can talk about what

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<v Speaker 3>things might look like without the NLRA, but for now

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<v Speaker 3>we have grievance and arbitration procedures still. And even in

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<v Speaker 3>states where there are legal protections against employment discrimination for

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<v Speaker 3>trans people, like here in California, the bar to defending

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<v Speaker 3>yourself legally is obviously a lot higher, including financially than

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<v Speaker 3>defending yourself through a grievance procedure at a union job. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>a grievance procedure at a union job is way more

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<v Speaker 3>accessible to the average working person than hiring a lawyer

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<v Speaker 3>and going through a legal system that is totally stacked

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<v Speaker 3>against you and in favor of the wealthy. Having a

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<v Speaker 3>union to defend you, you know, with the collective resources

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<v Speaker 3>of your union that you're part of, and having your

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<v Speaker 3>shop steward or you be a shop steward and filing

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<v Speaker 3>those grievances yourself. It's so much more accessible for regular

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<v Speaker 3>workers to get enforcement when they are discriminated against. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's obviously not only relevant for trans people, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is certainly relevant for trans people.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you don't have union organizing experience, this could

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<v Speaker 2>all seem a little intimidating, even if you are already

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<v Speaker 2>have a pre existing union at your workplace. Mia has

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<v Speaker 2>done a whole bunch of episodes on unions and labor

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<v Speaker 2>organizing on this podcast. You could certainly look to you

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<v Speaker 2>for more information and a bit of encouragement. In twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three, Neha co founded TRACK the Trans Rights Action Committee,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a subcommittee of the Starbucks union that was

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<v Speaker 2>started to help advocate for trans rights within the union

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<v Speaker 2>and share information about the challenges trans workers were experiencing.

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<v Speaker 2>We asked Neha about the process of getting this focus

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<v Speaker 2>on securing trans healthcare through your union to be something

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<v Speaker 2>that the union collectively fights for.

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<v Speaker 4>The way that our union started focusing on trans healthcare

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<v Speaker 4>as one of the core issues, like we weren't organizing

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<v Speaker 4>around and all started with a conversation with like a

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<v Speaker 4>regional staffer here in Oklahoma. I have like a regular

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<v Speaker 4>check and call with my staffer, and this was like

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<v Speaker 4>two two and a half years ago, and he was

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<v Speaker 4>just like asking, you know, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 5>What are you concerned about?

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<v Speaker 4>And I was like, well, I'm having some issues with

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<v Speaker 4>like accessing healthcare. And he not heard like how difficult

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<v Speaker 4>it was for like trans people to access healthcare and Starbucks.

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<v Speaker 4>He wasn't aware of like how expensive it could be.

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<v Speaker 4>And as I started talking to him, he was like,

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<v Speaker 4>hold on, let me like set up a meeting with

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<v Speaker 4>some other people. I think they need to hear this too.

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<v Speaker 4>So then we have like a follow up meeting with

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<v Speaker 4>more like staff and other organizers. I talked about these

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<v Speaker 4>issues again, and one thing led to another thing, and

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<v Speaker 4>they ended up encouraging me to form a subcommittee with

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<v Speaker 4>their union for trans workers to kind of like build

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<v Speaker 4>community for us and connect us, but also hear more

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<v Speaker 4>stories from trans workers about the struggles that they were facing,

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<v Speaker 4>specifically in accessing healthcare. And so that's kind of how

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<v Speaker 4>TRACKS started. And it's been really moving to see how

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<v Speaker 4>over the past like two three years, this went from

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<v Speaker 4>like an issue that was affecting like a minority of

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<v Speaker 4>a minority of workers, right, Like, it's not like every

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<v Speaker 4>single work at Starbucks is trying to like have facial

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<v Speaker 4>comminization surgery or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, This issue that.

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<v Speaker 4>Was affecting like a small step set of us ended

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<v Speaker 4>up becoming like one of the biggest issues we are

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<v Speaker 4>organizing around. It makes me really emotional when I think

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<v Speaker 4>about like how much my union coworkers and like my

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<v Speaker 4>comrades like actually like fucking care about trans people. Right

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<v Speaker 4>of kind of like how TRACKS started and how we

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<v Speaker 4>started to organize around trans healthcare specifically.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been a focus for us for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Also in part because the initial you know, our public

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<v Speaker 3>bargaining proposals that were released early on when we first

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<v Speaker 3>formulated our demands included improvements to gender affirming care at Starbucks.

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<v Speaker 3>And part of that's because there were trans people involved

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<v Speaker 3>in writing those initial demands, right and you know, Nehaw

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<v Speaker 3>was involved nationally in the campaign and had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>and the encouragement to start track. You know, we have

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<v Speaker 3>to be part of it, I think is on some level,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the most basic prerequisite for everything that came

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<v Speaker 3>after is because trans people have been involved with this

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<v Speaker 3>campaign from the beginning. We do have so much support

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<v Speaker 3>and solidarity from our coworkers and from our fellow union comrades,

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of whether they're SIS or trans, And I think

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<v Speaker 3>part of that is because we've really showed up and

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<v Speaker 3>done the work. This again goes to that kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like false narrative of there's like some kind of contention

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<v Speaker 3>between workers rights and trans rights. It's like trans people

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<v Speaker 3>have been super motivated to get involved in this campaign

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<v Speaker 3>and for the rights and benefits for every worker at Starbucks.

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<v Speaker 3>Other workers have seen that, seen the way we've been

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<v Speaker 3>involved and dedicated, and that's given them the sympathy and

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<v Speaker 3>solidarity to stand by us for an issue that affects us.

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<v Speaker 3>Very you know directly and somewhat narrowly compared to a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the other things we're fighting for. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>on some level, I think it comes down to unions

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<v Speaker 3>are a place where trans people can get involved in

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<v Speaker 3>political life in a way that's hard to do in

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<v Speaker 3>other parts of American political life, and you get to

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<v Speaker 3>build that solidarity, and if you're there at the table,

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<v Speaker 3>you have a chance to highlight the issues that are

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<v Speaker 3>important to us. And if you're fighting for everyone else,

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<v Speaker 3>they're going to want to fight for you too.

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<v Speaker 2>Track's logo says trans rights are labor rights, a phrase

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<v Speaker 2>one of Nahe's co workers came up with to express

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<v Speaker 2>the idea that even if your state becomes an unsafe

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<v Speaker 2>place for queer and trans people, trans people will still

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<v Speaker 2>fight to a sure that their workplace, their store, is

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<v Speaker 2>a safe place for any trans person who works there.

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<v Speaker 2>As the functioning of the state and the federal government

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<v Speaker 2>becomes more and more alienated and distant, or in many cases,

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<v Speaker 2>increasingly hostile to the likes of you and me, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the few ways we can still exert power over

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<v Speaker 2>our lives is through unions. Regardless of whether you live

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<v Speaker 2>in Portland, Oregon or Oklahoma City, and specifically as access

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<v Speaker 2>to trans healthcare becomes more and more of a growing issue,

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<v Speaker 2>this is becoming more of a core issue itself that

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<v Speaker 2>you can organize around and can actually build a union around.

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<v Speaker 3>Lots of different struggles have been highlighted in our campaign.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we have really made racial justice a major

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<v Speaker 3>priority as well. I mean, obviously economic justice is at

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<v Speaker 3>the core of any union struggle, but you know, we're

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<v Speaker 3>really invested in making sure all workers are in included

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<v Speaker 3>in this movement and their specific concerns are represented as

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<v Speaker 3>well as our general shared concerns. And as more and

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<v Speaker 3>more things get taken away at the level of federal

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<v Speaker 3>politics and state politics in many places, people will be

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<v Speaker 3>looking for recourse. It's like, how do I get back

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<v Speaker 3>the stability, the protections, the dignity, the power that I've lost,

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<v Speaker 3>Particularly if you know some of these folks are not

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<v Speaker 3>super democratically accountable. People will be looking for how they

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<v Speaker 3>can build power and how they can find security when

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<v Speaker 3>the state is not providing it and when the state's

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<v Speaker 3>actively undermining it. Actually, and unions are one of the

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<v Speaker 3>truly critical, irreplaceable answers for protecting yourself, for protecting the

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<v Speaker 3>people you work with, for protecting your community and for

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<v Speaker 3>taking back some of the things that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>take away from you, whether that's on the job protections,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that's economic equity, whether that is your access to

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<v Speaker 3>trans healthcare, whether that's protections from racism or misogynistic discrimination

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<v Speaker 3>in your job and harassment, all of these things. If

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<v Speaker 3>the state steps away, people should and will look to

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<v Speaker 3>labor organizing as the answer instead.

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<v Speaker 4>Our ability to build power in this way is a

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<v Speaker 4>way that we maintain hope so that we can keep

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<v Speaker 4>organizing for a better future. I think one of the

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<v Speaker 4>best tools like these fucking fascist freaks have is making

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<v Speaker 4>us feel like there's no hope. It's beating us down,

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<v Speaker 4>it's making us feel like we have no power. It's

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<v Speaker 4>making us feel completely disconnected from like the government, our workplace,

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<v Speaker 4>all of these different things that like exert power over us.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think labor is such a direct way to

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<v Speaker 4>give people that power back.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, morales a terran a struggle, and this is the

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<v Speaker 6>way that you can fight there. That does other things

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<v Speaker 6>too at the same time, which is important, And.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know what else is important? Being subservient to

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<v Speaker 2>the capitalist impulse of pivoting to ads. Okay, we are back.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is more of our interview with Starbucks Workers United.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm excited to talk to you because things have

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<v Speaker 6>been very bad. And one of the specific ways that

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<v Speaker 6>they've been very bad is that there's become this framing

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<v Speaker 6>and this has been around for a while, but it's

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<v Speaker 6>getting sort of increasingly adopted in mainstream circles that trans

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<v Speaker 6>rights are opposed to workers' rights, and that's just nonsense.

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<v Speaker 6>So I wanted to sort of start there with a

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<v Speaker 6>bit of a discussion about so the ways in which

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<v Speaker 6>the trans struggle is a worker struggle.

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<v Speaker 4>The trans community is like disproportionately like impoverished, like a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of us are struggling to just pay for rent,

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<v Speaker 4>are basic like needs, right, Yeah, I think that's framing

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<v Speaker 4>assumes that like all trans people are like, I don't know, rich, working,

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<v Speaker 4>attack or some shit like that, which just is not true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>The actual stats, by the way, these are running from

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<v Speaker 6>the US Trans Survey, which is the largest survey of

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<v Speaker 6>trans people in the US. Thirty four percent poverty rate

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<v Speaker 6>than the national number for assist people is eleven percent.

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<v Speaker 6>The unemployment rate is eighteen percent. The US unemployment rate

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<v Speaker 6>assist people is four percent, eighteen percent is nineteen thirty

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<v Speaker 6>six great depression levels of unemployment. Thirty percent of trans

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<v Speaker 6>people have experienced homelessness in their lives. The national rate

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<v Speaker 6>is about seven percent, And those numbers are actually very

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<v Speaker 6>misleading because it's actually much worse than that, because these

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<v Speaker 6>demographics skew young significantly because of both the shortness of

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<v Speaker 6>our life expectancy and how often we get killed. And

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<v Speaker 6>also there's more people who are realizing that they're trans

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<v Speaker 6>now than there ever has before. So those homelessness numbers,

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<v Speaker 6>we are we are racking up a rate of homelessness

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<v Speaker 6>that is four times higher than the regular rate, and

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<v Speaker 6>we're doing iticately less years than it takes the cispopulation

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<v Speaker 6>to rack up these levels of homelessness. So things are

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<v Speaker 6>extremely bad for trans people. Transfems make like sixty cents

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<v Speaker 6>on the dollar of like the average American worker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I think you see that in our union

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<v Speaker 3>we have a lot of worker leaders who are trans.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a noticeable obvious fact about our unions that trans

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<v Speaker 3>people have really been deeply involved since day one at

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<v Speaker 3>all levels of this union. And I think part of

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<v Speaker 3>that is because Starbucks has been associated as a place

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<v Speaker 3>of economic stability and opportunity for trans healthcare for a

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<v Speaker 3>community that has relatively few opportunities. I mean, if you're

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<v Speaker 3>talking about eighteen percent unemployment, then you're talking about people

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<v Speaker 3>who certainly are going to have difficulty getting employer provided healthcare,

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<v Speaker 3>let alone employer provided healthcare that's going to include gender

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<v Speaker 3>affirming care, right, And so Starbucks has been held up

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<v Speaker 3>as an opportunity for that for a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's obviously drawn a lot of us to the company.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of us started working there for that exact reason,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you know, have discovered in many cases that

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<v Speaker 3>it's actually not so accessible. You know, I can say

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<v Speaker 3>in my case, it's definitely one reason I started working

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<v Speaker 3>at Starbucks because I heard like, Hey, if you want

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<v Speaker 3>facial feminization surgery, go work at Starbucks. That was a

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<v Speaker 3>community tip. And then it turned out that I made

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<v Speaker 3>so little money that I qualified for Medicaid, And in California,

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<v Speaker 3>where I'm lucky enough to live for now, Medicaid covers

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<v Speaker 3>those things and is more affordable and accessible than the

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<v Speaker 3>Starbucks healthcare actually was, So I ended up relying on

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<v Speaker 3>Medicaid instead. And I think a lot of us have

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<v Speaker 3>felt and seen that dissonance between coming to this company

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<v Speaker 3>looking for opportunity, looking for a place that is inclusive

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<v Speaker 3>and will hire trans workers, it says, and a stense

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<v Speaker 3>offers trans healthcare, but then finding out where those gaps

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<v Speaker 3>are and realizing like, actually it's better for me to

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<v Speaker 3>stay on Medicaid, which is easy to do because I

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<v Speaker 3>make so little money at this job. It takes that

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<v Speaker 3>shine off. And I think, you know, our economic vulnerability

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<v Speaker 3>as a group is precisely what drove a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>us to seek improvements here. It's related to our transness, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's also like just fundamental working class issues. We

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<v Speaker 3>need better wages, we need better healthcare. You know, that's

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<v Speaker 3>something everyone benefits from and everyone can relate to.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean, I can also attest to the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that I started at Starbucks five years ago because I

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<v Speaker 4>needed to have access with gender firming care. I was

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<v Speaker 4>coming from a situation where I came out as a teenager.

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<v Speaker 5>I was disowned and kicked out on my family. I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't have access to college.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like basically on my own right, and I

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<v Speaker 4>had no idea how I'm going tomatically transition, And like

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<v Speaker 4>older trans women in my life told me to apply

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<v Speaker 4>to Starbucks. And it was also like one of those

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<v Speaker 4>things where like, again, I live in Oklahoma. It's not

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<v Speaker 4>like there's a ton of employers who are like super

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<v Speaker 4>excited to hire trans women.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>That's something I also want to highlight because I don't

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<v Speaker 6>think people understand this at all. If there's cysts is

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<v Speaker 6>that the level of employment discrimination is staggering. It is, however,

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<v Speaker 6>hard if you are a SI person you think it

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<v Speaker 6>is to find a job, it is like thirty times

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<v Speaker 6>harder if you are trans. It's unbelievably difficult. And the

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<v Speaker 6>promise of just like any job that will hire a

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<v Speaker 6>trans person is a huge deal because you know, otherwise

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<v Speaker 6>odds are you walk in the door and they take

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<v Speaker 6>one look at you and like, you know, you're fucked, right, And.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's how Starbucks kind of like advertises itself

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<v Speaker 4>too queer in trans workers, right, And I think this

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<v Speaker 4>is reflected in the demographic of my store. Ninety nine

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<v Speaker 4>percent of my coworkers are queer. A lot of us

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<v Speaker 4>are trans. There's like a lot of trans women who

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<v Speaker 4>work at my store. I actually don't even know if

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<v Speaker 4>we have a single straight coworker actually we have later

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<v Speaker 4>one token like diversity higher, but he literally just transfers.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's all gay people, but no, like all

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<v Speaker 4>of us applied to Starbucks because like, what other options

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<v Speaker 4>do we have? Right, And again, in my case, I

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<v Speaker 4>applied to Starbucks because I needed access to gender firming care.

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<v Speaker 4>And over like the five years that I've worked here,

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<v Speaker 4>I've realized that while that benefit might look good on paper,

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<v Speaker 4>in practice, it's hard to actually qualify for that healthcare.

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<v Speaker 4>It can be completely unaffordable for a lot of us. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>Like last year, I made sixteen thousand dollars in total

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<v Speaker 4>from Starbucks, and like a disproportionate amount of that income

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<v Speaker 4>was just going towards healthcare, which doesn't even take into

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<v Speaker 4>an account like rent or bills.

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<v Speaker 5>Or anything else. Like we're struggling to just fucking get by.

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<v Speaker 2>Something that Mia pointed out is that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>few places trans people are actually overrepresented is in union organizing.

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<v Speaker 2>Because trans people don't really have a safety net, fewer

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<v Speaker 2>of us can turn to or rely on family support,

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<v Speaker 2>so union organizing is one of the ways we can

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<v Speaker 2>directly fight for a better life.

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<v Speaker 4>But the current political climate as it is, it's even scarier.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, Cassie was talking about not being able to

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<v Speaker 4>actually access the Starbucks healthcare, and I've defined other ways

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<v Speaker 4>to pay for gender firm and care, but I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we're looking at like a Trump administration that could possibly

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<v Speaker 4>be trying to make it impossible for anyone to use

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<v Speaker 4>Medicare and Medicaid to cover gender firm and care. We're

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<v Speaker 4>looking at state by state like healthcare vans. Right, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's more important than ever to organize and focus

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<v Speaker 4>on trans writes and our access to healthcare, our wages,

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<v Speaker 4>our safety at the workplace. Where else are we going

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<v Speaker 4>to protect ourselves like that?

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<v Speaker 2>The Starbucks union is also fighting for guaranteed scheduling and

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<v Speaker 2>better staffing in stores, and this relates directly to a

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<v Speaker 2>worker's ability to access health care and gender affirming healthcare.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of Starbucks healthcare being somewhat inaccessible is that employees

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<v Speaker 2>have to work a certain threshold of hours to qualify

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<v Speaker 2>for benefits, including healthcare. Failure to get enough hours of

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<v Speaker 2>work scheduled means losing access to your own health care,

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<v Speaker 2>and this kind of reflects a more subtle form of

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<v Speaker 2>employment discrimination.

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<v Speaker 4>I can speak to this. I've heard this from many

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<v Speaker 4>other workers, it is such a struggle just to get

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<v Speaker 4>the minimum amount of hours to keep your benefits. I

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<v Speaker 4>was talking to another worker who was telling me about

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<v Speaker 4>how she had to like literally cry and beg her

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<v Speaker 4>manager to sketch her enough so she didn't lose access

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<v Speaker 4>to gender firm and care. And of course this manager

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<v Speaker 4>was scheduling enough hours for other workers who weren't trans women, right,

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<v Speaker 4>And so I've been having like protections in a contract

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<v Speaker 4>that guarantee a certain number of hours that are scheduling.

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<v Speaker 4>That kind of thing also makes it easier for us

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<v Speaker 4>to maintain and keep the benefits that we need.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously this benefits all workers because everyone benefits from

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<v Speaker 2>having enough hours to actually get the money you need

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<v Speaker 2>to live. The Starbucks union started the official bargaining process

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<v Speaker 2>with the company last April, and they were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>have their final bargaining session last December, based on a

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<v Speaker 2>shared expectation that the contract would be closed and ratified

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<v Speaker 2>by the end of twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 4>So after nine months of bargaining, it's December or expecting

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<v Speaker 4>to finish up contract bargaining, and after like a few

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<v Speaker 4>months of like delaying and not really giving us a

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<v Speaker 4>counter on wages or benefits. Starbucks like finally gave us

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<v Speaker 4>a counter proposal, I mean like counter proposal. It was

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<v Speaker 4>literally like a page and their counter proposal was basically

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<v Speaker 4>no changes to benefits whatsoever and a one point five

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<v Speaker 4>percent raise if non union stores received a raise that

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<v Speaker 4>was less than that. For context, one point five percent

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<v Speaker 4>for most of us is thirty cents. So yeah, after

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<v Speaker 4>nine months, that was the best they could do. So

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't really a serious like counter proposal, I mean, frankly,

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<v Speaker 4>it was a fucking insult.

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<v Speaker 2>So with less than a week's notice, they organized the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest ULP strike in the union's history, resulting in five

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<v Speaker 2>thousand baristas at over three hundred stores across the country

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<v Speaker 2>going on strike on Christmas Eve. Now, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of open ended, ongoing strike that you're probably

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<v Speaker 2>more familiar with. A ULP strike refers to a short

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<v Speaker 2>term strike action directly tied to an unfair labor practice,

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<v Speaker 2>which is any act by an employer that violates a

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<v Speaker 2>worker's legal rights, and unlike ongoing strikes, ULP strikes can

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<v Speaker 2>happen anytime, not just during contract bargaining. In fact, the

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<v Speaker 2>Starbucks union has utilized ULP strikes the past few years

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<v Speaker 2>to address unfair labor practices. Part of the shared agreement

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<v Speaker 2>to finish the contract before the year's end was to

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<v Speaker 2>also resolve outstanding unfair labor practices by the end of

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, which did not happen and thus the strikes.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was a super tight turnaround to organize strikes

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<v Speaker 2>of this scale. By having a representative or delegate from

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<v Speaker 2>each store in the union present at bargaining, which is

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of workers, that provides a direct link to every

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<v Speaker 2>store in the campaign. This was how the union was

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<v Speaker 2>able to pull off a mass mobilization on an extremely

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<v Speaker 2>tight turnaround. So when it's time to vote to go

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<v Speaker 2>on strike, there's already workers across hundreds of stores around

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<v Speaker 2>the country ready to organize their co workers and get

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<v Speaker 2>the word out. Contacts with union advocacy groups and a

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<v Speaker 2>network of allies ranging from campus activists to LGBTQ organizations

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<v Speaker 2>can also help spread the word about these strikes, raise awareness,

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<v Speaker 2>and pull more numbers onto the picket line. On more

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<v Speaker 2>of a big picture note, once you get these sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of structures and networks from union organizing, you also gain

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<v Speaker 2>the actual capacity to deploy them quickly in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that actually lets you do rapid responses to changing situations,

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<v Speaker 2>and that capacity is something that transadvocacy just hasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>had in a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>These sites are directly connected to the broader political situation

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<v Speaker 4>in America right. I think that a big issue that

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<v Speaker 4>can organizing has right now is that there's not a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of on the ground reaching out, connecting to mobilizing

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<v Speaker 4>people who are impacted by these policies that are like

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<v Speaker 4>negatively impacting trans people. And so I think the kind

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<v Speaker 4>of organizing that unions are doing right that we've been

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<v Speaker 4>doing this entire time, right where we're speaking to people directly,

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<v Speaker 4>where we're getting them organized, getting them involved, is really

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<v Speaker 4>a helpful starting point for like turning discontent and turning

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<v Speaker 4>anxiety and fear around issues into like actual action. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's like super essential that we have this contract.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we're heading into twenty twenty five, We're heading into

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<v Speaker 4>a frankly pretty fucking scary time for trans people. We

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<v Speaker 4>need a contract that protects trans healthcare. We need a

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<v Speaker 4>contract that guarantees better wages. We mean a contract of

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<v Speaker 4>only for the protections that it guarantees workers in terms

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<v Speaker 4>of like safety at work and type of terms of

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<v Speaker 4>making sure that they're not being taken advantage of at work.

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<v Speaker 4>Right Well, Starbucks offered us again was an insul It

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't a real counter proposal.

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<v Speaker 5>We're more ready than ever to.

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<v Speaker 4>Like finish his contract and to have something, but like,

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<v Speaker 4>we need movement from Starbucks. We need a serious counter proposal.

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<v Speaker 4>Thirty cents and no changes to benefits isn't going to

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<v Speaker 4>fucking do it.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to go on another ad break and return

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<v Speaker 2>to finish up our interview with Starbucks Workers United. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're back. I'm now gonna throw to MIA or a

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<v Speaker 2>discussion on how union organizing can help strengthen trends. Advocacy

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<v Speaker 2>in general.

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<v Speaker 6>We're in this kind of crisis period of I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know what you call the national trans movements, just the

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<v Speaker 6>extent that it exists, where the advocacy orgs and legal

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 6>strategies they've been pursuing are not working. We're losing in

0:29:09.560 --> 0:29:13.200
<v Speaker 6>the courts all the time. Their electoral strategy of kind

0:29:13.240 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 6>of bearrying themselves to the Biden administration has failed, and

0:29:16.520 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 6>I think this is a moment where we need a

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<v Speaker 6>new plan. And this is as good of a plan

0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.480
<v Speaker 6>as I've ever seen, and I think one of the

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<v Speaker 6>things that we're going to see, we're going to need

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<v Speaker 6>to see and we're literally we're just going to have

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<v Speaker 6>to do over the next few years, I mean ideally

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 6>over the next couple of months, because we don't have

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 6>we don't have much time until these people take power.

0:29:37.520 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 6>Is more sort of you know, not just intra union

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 6>coordination of organizing a trans workers, but it is organizing

0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:49.160
<v Speaker 6>trans workers across different unions and trying to figure out

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:53.719
<v Speaker 6>how we leverage our power, like more broadly to you know,

0:29:53.840 --> 0:29:56.960
<v Speaker 6>protect ourselves and to fight for our rights and fight

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<v Speaker 6>to be free.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's something we're still building our capacity

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 3>for that in this union, but we definitely do have

0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:12.080
<v Speaker 3>relationships with other trans union activists and organizers. We're affiliated

0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:15.240
<v Speaker 3>to Workers United, which is affiliated to SCIU, So obviously

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 3>that's kind of the most direct and easiest way for

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 3>us to get in touch with other trans folks that

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 3>are in the labor movement, get support, get feedback, get ideas,

0:30:23.720 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 3>and share in turn what's been working for us. But

0:30:26.720 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 3>it is a capacity we want to build out even

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 3>further because we are going to need that solidarity between

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 3>and among labor unions in order to form a coherent response.

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, as you're saying, the response hasn't been working.

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 3>The kind of problem solving we're seeing from a lot

0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 3>of politicians basically amounts to sidestepping the issue, pretending it

0:30:49.920 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 3>doesn't exist. You know, maybe not throwing trans people under

0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 3>the bus explicitly by actively supporting our elimination from public life,

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 3>but certainly not standing up and defending us. And unions

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:06.440
<v Speaker 3>are one of the only ways that working people can

0:31:06.440 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 3>come together in large groups and pool resources for political activity.

0:31:11.600 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 3>And we know there are a lot of problems with

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 3>how many unions currently do that. But for those of

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 3>us who are very committed to struggle for equality, that's

0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.480
<v Speaker 3>not going to compromise and throw some group under the bus.

0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:29.120
<v Speaker 3>We understand that we have to get involved and be

0:31:29.360 --> 0:31:34.200
<v Speaker 3>part of labor in order to improve how labor does

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.360
<v Speaker 3>politics in this country. If we want people to stand

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 3>up and defend trans rights and defend trans healthcare, and

0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 3>defend our ability to exist in public life, then we

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 3>have to, like we have to be the ones to

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 3>do it. We just we have to do it, And

0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 3>getting involved in your union is one of the only

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 3>accessible ways that trans people are going to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to build that kind of political capacity and find allies.

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<v Speaker 6>We have an opportunity here because you know, to do

0:32:05.600 --> 0:32:10.640
<v Speaker 6>a version of Jijik's mistranslation of Antonio Gramsci, it's like,

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:12.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, the old trans movement is dying in the

0:32:12.920 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 6>New World's like struggles to be born. Now is a

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 6>time of monsters. But I think this means that you know, you, like,

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 6>literally the people listening to this show, the people on

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 6>this now, we are going to be the people who

0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:27.400
<v Speaker 6>define what the trans movement is going to be going forward, right,

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 6>and we have to because we have no other choice.

0:32:30.120 --> 0:32:32.320
<v Speaker 6>But this also means that, you know, we are going

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<v Speaker 6>to be the ones who get to set the tone

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<v Speaker 6>of what we're doing, get to like strategically decide on

0:32:37.600 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 6>how we're going to do this. And I think we

0:32:39.480 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 6>have advantages too in the sense that there are ways

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 6>in which our economic marginalization is sort of helpful in that,

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 6>you know, if you look at the sort of independent

0:32:48.200 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 6>unions that have been forming recently, right, even more so

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.720
<v Speaker 6>than in conventional unions, unbelievable numbers of those people are trans,

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.720
<v Speaker 6>right because you know, okay, you're dealing with the population

0:32:56.960 --> 0:32:59.480
<v Speaker 6>where it's very easy to get salts. It's very easy

0:32:59.480 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 6>to send people in the unionized stores because no one

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.720
<v Speaker 6>has jobs anyways, and so the you know, the risk

0:33:03.760 --> 0:33:06.480
<v Speaker 6>of you losing it is like lower because you're already

0:33:06.480 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 6>taking a low wage job, et cetera, et cetera. And

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 6>I think I think there's there's things about these movements

0:33:12.120 --> 0:33:15.040
<v Speaker 6>and the way that we're embedding ourselves in also sort

0:33:15.080 --> 0:33:18.640
<v Speaker 6>of new movements, like the start unionization thing is not

0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:23.720
<v Speaker 6>that old, right, I think we're well positioned on the

0:33:23.760 --> 0:33:26.480
<v Speaker 6>sort of front of a bunch of different changes that

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 6>are happening in both union organizing and in how the

0:33:29.440 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 6>American working class works to build something together that can

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<v Speaker 6>actually go back on the offensive for the first time

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<v Speaker 6>in like a decade.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. And I think we're at a moment where we

0:33:41.880 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 4>actually have to fight for ourselves, right. Yeah, Again, we're

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 4>at a point where no one else is going to

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 4>fight for us. We have to be willing to take

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 4>that step and fight for ourselves advocate for ourselves.

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:56.880
<v Speaker 5>At this moment, it's up to trans.

0:33:56.640 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 4>People to get involved, especially with the labor movement, and

0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 4>there's so much opportunity to advocate for trans rights, to

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:08.239
<v Speaker 4>like build up the transliberation movement in a way that

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.400
<v Speaker 4>hasn't been done before. I think it's so essential for

0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 4>us to not feel hopeless and see the potential here

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.920
<v Speaker 4>and get involved. I'm not necessarily telling people that, like

0:34:21.200 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 4>you should go apply to a Starbucks and like convince

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 4>them to unionize, but also like I'm not not saying that.

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 3>You know, trans people are getting that opportunity to actually

0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 3>drive our own liberation, and there's just so few places

0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 3>in society where we get that. That's been one of

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 3>the most exciting things about being part of this union

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.839
<v Speaker 3>for me. And yes, you should consider going to work

0:34:48.880 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 3>at Starbucks and unionizing it. And certainly, you know, to

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 3>directly plug a little bit. If there are Buristas in

0:34:56.239 --> 0:35:00.040
<v Speaker 3>your audience, they absolutely should go to our website. I

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.840
<v Speaker 3>think there will be a link like in the description

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:05.440
<v Speaker 3>of the episode or something. Go visit our union's website,

0:35:05.440 --> 0:35:09.360
<v Speaker 3>get in touch with an organizer, and start organizing. I

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>know it can like sound daunting in theory, like what

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.839
<v Speaker 3>does it mean to start organizing my workplace? But there

0:35:14.880 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 3>is a template, there's a plan. You know, We've done

0:35:17.160 --> 0:35:19.800
<v Speaker 3>this a bunch, We've done it at over five hundred

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.759
<v Speaker 3>stores at least five hundred and twelve at this point nationwide,

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 3>which is pretty incredible, especially to have done all that

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 3>without yet having even secured our contract. So we have

0:35:31.000 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 3>a good template for how to win. And if you

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 3>just get in touch, then people will reach out to

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 3>help you. And that does include professional staff, but it

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:43.320
<v Speaker 3>also includes people like us who are workers that will

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 3>be peer to peer, worker to worker organizers, because that's

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.520
<v Speaker 3>what this campaign has been built on from the beginning,

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:54.319
<v Speaker 3>is workers organizing each other. So yeah, I mean, there's

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 3>really truly never been a time that's better than now

0:35:57.480 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 3>and also never been more essential. It's never been more

0:36:00.280 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 3>needed than now. So this is the time. And if

0:36:05.239 --> 0:36:07.440
<v Speaker 3>you're not a barista or you can't become a barista,

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 3>then we still really need people to sign a solidarity

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 3>pledge with our union and get involved that way as allies,

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:18.719
<v Speaker 3>as supporters. You know, community support is always critical to

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 3>union struggles. We are bargaining our contract with Starbucks right now,

0:36:23.840 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 3>and community support is a huge part of what's going

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 3>to get us, you know, the contract that does deliver

0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 3>the kind of protections and benefits we're looking for, that

0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 3>does set a precedent for what trans inclusive union organizing

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.239
<v Speaker 3>and union bargaining can look like in this country. It's

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 3>kind of a terrifying responsibility sometimes. But the thing about

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.920
<v Speaker 3>this union is because it is one of the exciting

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 3>bright spots in American labor right now. I do think

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people are looking to us to figure out, well,

0:36:54.680 --> 0:36:58.239
<v Speaker 3>what are they doing, what's working, what's going well? And

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:00.719
<v Speaker 3>I certainly think, you know, the results we get for

0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:05.759
<v Speaker 3>trans workers in our union have some precedent setting importance.

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.279
<v Speaker 3>So it is really critical, even if you're not in

0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 3>this union, even if you don't work at Starbucks, to

0:37:12.760 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 3>support this struggle because it will have ripple effects. There

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:22.720
<v Speaker 3>will be ramifications for American labor and for the struggle

0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 3>for transliberation as a consequence of how things turn out

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.320
<v Speaker 3>with us. So yeah, we could really use your support.

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Earlier this episode, we talked about hope, and as important

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.959
<v Speaker 2>and as useful as that can be, it is also

0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>super crucial that people know how they're actually able to

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:44.480
<v Speaker 2>organize and actually try to get things done. After this

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.799
<v Speaker 2>last election, I'm sure many of you, like myself, were

0:37:47.840 --> 0:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>flooded with posts and performative calls to action. Now is

0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:56.520
<v Speaker 2>the time to organize your community, but never with any

0:37:56.640 --> 0:37:59.360
<v Speaker 2>real information on what that actually means or how to

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>go about it. But something like the Starbucks union is

0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>actually a very direct way to do that, especially if

0:38:05.960 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you're a barista.

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 4>I think I have to emphasize how achievable that is,

0:38:11.200 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Like it is possible five hundred plus stores across the

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 4>nation have done it in this political environment. Right, I'm

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 4>going to shout out one of my coworkers. She transferred

0:38:22.560 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 4>to another store in Oklahoma, and I was jokingly telling her.

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.759
<v Speaker 4>I was like, well, you're allowed to transfer as long as,

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:32.520
<v Speaker 4>like you, you ununonize your store immediately, and she was

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 4>like okay, And she did it, like within like a

0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 4>week of being there. She'd like talked one on one

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 4>with everyone at that store, people who were all already

0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 4>wanting better wages, better healthcare, better staffing, and through these conversations,

0:38:51.120 --> 0:38:54.880
<v Speaker 4>she organized that store. And that is so fucking amazing

0:38:54.920 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 4>to me, and it makes me feel so I don't know,

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't want to sound like patronizing or whatever, and

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:03.319
<v Speaker 4>it makes me so proud to see that, right, to

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:06.280
<v Speaker 4>see that she's been able to see how our store

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.040
<v Speaker 4>has organized, how we've spoken to people, how we've reached

0:39:10.080 --> 0:39:12.719
<v Speaker 4>out to like her co workers, and she's been able

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.760
<v Speaker 4>to take that and replicate that so easily, get so quickly.

0:39:17.400 --> 0:39:19.200
<v Speaker 4>Like when I say with them like a week or

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:22.280
<v Speaker 4>two of transferring to the store, I am not exaggerating,

0:39:23.000 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 4>she was fucking on.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.560
<v Speaker 5>Top of it. If we can do this in fucking.

0:39:27.320 --> 0:39:32.320
<v Speaker 4>Goddamn Oklahoma, we can do this anywhere, right, It is possible.

0:39:32.440 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 4>You can do it if you can have a conversation

0:39:34.520 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 4>with your coworker, if you can have a conversation with

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:41.920
<v Speaker 4>multiple coworkers, if you can develop relationships with them friendships,

0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 4>if you can establish that you have like a common issue. Right,

0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 4>if you can make it clear that like the struggles

0:39:50.440 --> 0:39:54.359
<v Speaker 4>we're facing at our workplaces have a solution, you can

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:57.880
<v Speaker 4>do this. All you have to do is actually fucking

0:39:57.880 --> 0:40:00.680
<v Speaker 4>take that step to make it happ.

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:03.600
<v Speaker 6>Every single union that has ever been formed was maybe

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 6>by people exactly like you. You the listener listening to

0:40:06.960 --> 0:40:11.200
<v Speaker 6>this right now, Right, you are exactly the person who

0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:14.319
<v Speaker 6>has organized every union that anyone has ever done. Right,

0:40:14.360 --> 0:40:17.120
<v Speaker 6>It's it's not something that's like the domain of pure

0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:18.440
<v Speaker 6>professional organizers.

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 3>You can do this too, Yeah, you really can, and

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:24.360
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, at my store, I was the

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 3>only transperson at my store, and despite being a transsexual communist,

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 3>I was able to organize a successful election at a

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 3>store that includes, you know, half of people being Trump voters.

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Like the idea that you have to hide or diminish yourself,

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:45.000
<v Speaker 3>or that because you know your trans or otherwise marginalized,

0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:48.600
<v Speaker 3>that it's impossible for you to build that solidarity with

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 3>your coworkers and come together for your common issues, It's

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:58.040
<v Speaker 3>just not true. People understand their own economic liberation, even

0:40:58.080 --> 0:41:01.920
<v Speaker 3>if they don't fully just yet. There's always an intuitive

0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 3>level you understand you're getting screwed over. You can tell

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<v Speaker 3>that the system is not set up fairly and it's

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<v Speaker 3>not set up for you to succeed as a working person,

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<v Speaker 3>And with the right conversations, with the right information, with

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<v Speaker 3>the right relationships and solidarity that you build with someone else,

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<v Speaker 3>people can be brought to understand what the solution is

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<v Speaker 3>and that the situation you currently live under with shareholders

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<v Speaker 3>and capitalists stealing all of this value from you is unacceptable,

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<v Speaker 3>and that there is a way to fight to get

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<v Speaker 3>back what you've earned with your labor. So for those

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<v Speaker 3>of you who are listening. You don't have to hide

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<v Speaker 3>who you are politically or personally to do that work

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<v Speaker 3>to bring people along. And in fact, if we do

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<v Speaker 3>hide who we are, then we're not really going to

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<v Speaker 3>be getting people all the way to where they need

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<v Speaker 3>to go. You know, we're not going to build a

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<v Speaker 3>movement of people committed to liberation by side stepping issues

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<v Speaker 3>and hiding piece of who we are and saying that, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, transliberation is not really important. That's not how

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to build like a durable coalition. I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is a problem that politicians in our country keep making.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a mistake they keep making of thinking they can

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<v Speaker 3>ignore or downplay certain issues tensions within their coalitions to

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<v Speaker 3>keep those coalitions together. But when you ignore it you

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<v Speaker 3>don't address it, it just blows up later in the end. Anyway, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>get involved that you really have nothing to lose and

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<v Speaker 3>nothing you know, accept your change not to be I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I just realized halfway through. I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I might as well finish the quote.

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<v Speaker 4>So Okay, we're like such a scary point for trans people,

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<v Speaker 4>and I know that that's terrifying, that that's also an

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<v Speaker 4>opportunity to pivot and to like actually make meaningful change.

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<v Speaker 4>Right again, I cannot emphasize enough we create our own

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<v Speaker 4>hope for a better future.

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<v Speaker 5>It has to be on us, right.

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<v Speaker 4>We can't just, I don't know, depend on other people

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<v Speaker 4>to do this work for us. We have to show

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<v Speaker 4>up and do this work. And I don't know, Personally speaking,

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<v Speaker 4>I am fucking tired of liberals who want to just

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<v Speaker 4>ignore trans people and pretend we don't exist. As Like,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know, our TVs are flooded with anti trans as.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm tired of depending on people who aren't advocating for me, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I'd rather fight for myself through my union.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, I think that's a good place to close on.

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<v Speaker 6>Is in some sense a cold world that has left

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<v Speaker 6>us with no one to fight for ourselves but ourselves.

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<v Speaker 6>But if we fucking do it, we can win, and

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<v Speaker 6>we can drag everyone else along with us.

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<v Speaker 2>On that note, I'm going to close out the show

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<v Speaker 2>here with a few plugs for Starbucks Workers United. You

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<v Speaker 2>can find their website at Sbworkers United dot org and

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<v Speaker 2>SB Workers United on social media. I'll have a link

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<v Speaker 2>to their website to end their solidarity pledge in the

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<v Speaker 2>description below. See you on the other side.

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