WEBVTT - And, This Is Charlie Kirk 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:11.840 This is Gavin Newsom and this is Charlie Kirk. By 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.240 the way, what brings you to California? Your favorite state? 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.360 It is this thing's falling. It is my favorite state 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:19.040 in the Union. You're doing such a great job here. 0:00:19.079 --> 0:00:22.119 By the way, No, I'm honored to be on the show. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:22.560 Thank you. 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:24.000 And you were just down at USC. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.680 I was at USC yesterday, drew a big crowd. By 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:26.960 the way. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.680 I knew you were at USC early because my niece, 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:32.280 who's gradually. 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:32.839 She was going with the Maga hat on. 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:35.080 She was by the way, I do have to watch, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.360 but she was down there and she was like, she said, 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:39.040 you never know, these kids are going to the right. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.360 I'm aware, she said, this crowd's crazy. He said. She 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:44.400 said she had and the only reason said she would 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.599 have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you were 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:49.479 coming on the worst part though, Charlie no bes true story. 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:52.440 Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed, 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:55.080 He's like, no, Dad, I just what time? What time 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.400 is Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude, 0:00:57.400 --> 0:00:59.880 you're in school. Tomorrow's thirteen. He's like, no, no, no, this 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.320 this morning wakes up it sixs up. Then he's like, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.760 I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house. 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:07.200 Did you let him to take off school? 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:08.880 No? He did, of course not. He's not here for 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:10.200 a good reason. But the point is the. 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.320 Canceled school for like two years on. 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.040 The point is the point, which is you are making 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:17.520 a damn dead Thanks. 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:19.440 I'm kidding, no, but I know, and I but. 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:21.360 I appreciate that. I mean, it's the reason you're here 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:25.199 because I think people need to understand your success, your influence, 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:27.080 what you've been up to, and the fact that you're 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.679 on these college campus stores. And to your point, then 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.280 you just open up. I mean you're like, ask me. 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:35.440 Anything anything, Challenge me, challenge me whatever. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.040 When did this whole thing? When did you start putting 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:38.559 us together? 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.600 I've been at this for thirteen years and it's been 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.920 a wild movement, really accelerated once President Trump kind of 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:48.760 came on the scene, right around i'd say twenty twenty one. 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:51.960 We had a goal, could we move the youth vote 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.160 ten points over ten years? And when it was. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.640 It literally you sat down and put that new miracle. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:01:59.160 Together, like, can we move at ten points over ten 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.680 years ish? You know, approximate? Because our whole hypothesis was, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.440 and we you know, we did this alongside President Trump 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.440 and his great team, was that this demographic is disproportionately 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.720 to the Democrat side. We believe Democrats were taking them 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.520 for granted. We think that your side had no message 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.920 whatsoever and an ideological monopoly. We saw some of the 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.280 fault lines there, and to President Trump's credit, he also 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.799 harmonized with the strategy by going on podcasting and using TikTok. 0:02:26.280 --> 0:02:28.360 But yeah, I mean, we did it in four years, 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.040 not ten, large in part thanks to you guys. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.680 And we'll go get to that, and I sincerely get 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:34.040 to that because I want, you know, I want to 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.720 stress test as some of those fault lines as relates 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.320 to the reality of our party and where we are today. Yeah, Visa, 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.480 you you're ascendency, not just individually as an organization, But 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:45.160 where was that sort of moment for you? Because it's interesting. 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.000 I mean, you're such a young guy. So it's not 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:49.480 a deep biography here. It's not like twenty years in 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:52.799 the wilderness writing his first book, getting a TV show 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.640 that was canceled, coming back. It's more just this immediacy 0:02:56.760 --> 0:03:00.160 of ascendancy, was it. I mean, were you always you're 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:03.560 sort of born and bred with an ideological mindset. Are 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:06.600 you more open minded? And you start to realize a 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.200 lot of bsos out there. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:11.800 I've always been conservative, obviously grown in that over the 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:15.600 last ten ishu years was more libertarian, I'd say in 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.880 the first couple of years, as to be expected as 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:21.760 I got married and have kids, become more conservative. But no, look, 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:23.560 just one of the things we saw in the last 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:26.520 couple of years that the Democrats completely ignored and your 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:30.440 side was basically not acknowledging it was happening, was the 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:33.920 crisis that young people were experiencing that I mean, just one, 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.360 this is the first time in America's history that a 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:38.440 thirty year old is going to have it worse off 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.640 than their parents. It's a breakdown of the social compact. 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.080 They are the most alcohol addicted, most drug addicted, most suicidal, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.480 most depressed, most medicated generation and history, and the message 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.320 that was largely being fed to a lot of young 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:53.840 people was lower your expectations. You're not going to have 0:03:53.840 --> 0:03:56.640 the same American dream that your parents would have. And 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.040 we saw this as an opportunity, especially with young men, 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.440 and again it's got ridiculed a lot by the press 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:03.720 that oh, you know, they're creating this manosphere thing. Look, 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.480 they're half of the population and necessary for any society 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.160 and civilization to succeed, which is to have both strong 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:13.360 men and strong women. And we went about that in 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:17.839 a very unique and creative way. And again the president 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.360 became a cultural phenomenon where no matter what you threw 0:04:21.400 --> 0:04:23.800 at this guy, he rosebuve and you would even have 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.920 to give him credit. I mean, basically seven hundred years 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.040 in federal prison. You know, States tried to kick him 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.520 off the ballot. I know you spoke out against it, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:31.520 but California did have a faction that tried to kick 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:34.880 him off the ballot, right, And despite all of that, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.520 of course being shot, and that was kind of the 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.240 crescendo of all of it. He kind of became this 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:44.839 figure of an American comeback story. So he personified what 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.280 a lot of young people, especially young men, wanted back 0:04:47.320 --> 0:04:51.200 in their politics, which was an ascendant rebel attitude against 0:04:51.520 --> 0:04:53.880 these institutions that have failed them so miserably. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.360 It's interesting, So what would you keep saying we, which 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:59.440 is interesting, and that's the organization that you created to yes. 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.040 We would be like conservative movement. Maga, But yes, I 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.040 have turning point you say a turney point action Charlie 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:08.040 Kirk Show. But when I'm saying we, I mean more 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:11.839 specifically kind of those of us that saw this political 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:13.080 moment three or four years ago. 0:05:13.400 --> 0:05:16.640 But you were at this even before then, correct, Yeah, 0:05:16.640 --> 0:05:18.360 So when did you when did you decide to sort 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:19.960 of just shift your gear? I mean you were working 0:05:20.120 --> 0:05:23.800 for another Kirk for campaign Mark Kirk. So you had 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.720 a political obviously had strong political leanings or at least 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:28.800 desire to sort of be in the political sphere, but 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.840 not in elected office necessarily. You don't want to be 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:32.520 behind the scenes. 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.400 I mean, like the biography has been written about a 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.400 million times, but I mean didn't didn't go to college, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.160 wanted to go to West Point, didn't get in. I'm 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.960 an entrepreneur. Love it started this organization and it became 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.039 far more successful than I ever could have realized. And 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:52.160 the kind of as we started to grow the organization, 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:56.720 I recognized that there was an ideological imbalance on a 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:58.880 lot of these college campuses, and we wanted to go 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:03.560 about trying to offer a counterpoint of conservative you know, 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.360 pro freedom, pro liberty, you know America first Udy, and 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:06.920 you saw the. 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.919 College campuses as sort of the underbelly of the opportunity 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.040 or is it just more just experiential in terms of 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:14.920 your own sort of animus towards me. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.080 Well, I mean, you have a sitting population about twenty 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.640 million kids that are there for four years. 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:20.080 There's that. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.520 And also again you'd nowhere to go about up. I 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.440 mean seventy percent when we started in twenty twelve, seventy 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:29.880 five percent of kids on college campuses would vote for Democrats. Now, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:33.280 fast forward today the saus election cycle. Democrats lost the 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.240 youth vote in Michigan, nearly lost it in Wisconsin, nearly 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.560 lost in Arizona. So our goal was, hey, let's move 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.760 at ten points. We moved at thirteen points. And this 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:42.919 is important for your audience to know and for Democrats 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:45.159 to reckon with of which I see no signs that 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.400 Democrats care at all that they're losing the next generation. 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:50.839 We're drawing record crowds or ranks are expanding. The most 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:53.880 support that President Trump has is voters under thirty. Sixty 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.520 percent of voters under thirty support President Trump. It's according 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.080 to Rasmus. And you might say that's a little rich. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:02.080 It might be, but it's directionally true. And one of 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:04.760 the main reasons that this has all been happening is 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.680 that baby boomers have actually seen their wealth increased the 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.320 last four years. They don't buy into this whole idea 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.240 that our institutions are broken or that they're in need 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.200 of massive bottom up revolutionary change. And we see that 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.840 actually Kamala Harris did three points better with baby boomers 0:07:19.840 --> 0:07:22.480 than she did in twenty twenty. And the number one 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:25.520 story that you know, James Carville, who everyone takes seriously 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.560 for some reason, should have been saying is like, all 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:29.600 Kamala Harris had to do was just do the same 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:31.640 with younger voters that Joe Biden did in twenty twenty, 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:32.840 and she would be president right now. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.000 And remind us what Joe Biden did in twenty twenty. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.080 Thirteen points better in terms of just like America, kind 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.160 of a combination of exit polling. So it's really it's 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:42.600 a difficult science to pinpoint. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.160 So that goes back then, I mean to your point. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.760 In order to do that, you've got to stand for something, 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:49.680 You've got to assert yourself, you got to have a strategy, 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:50.600 and you got to implement it. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.160 You also have to not believe crazy stuff. 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:54.920 And not believe crazy I mean, and so for you, 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:56.920 I mean it's interesting just you know, this last week, 0:07:57.000 --> 0:07:58.920 I guess you were at USC. You were at the 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:01.440 University of Florida, thousands and thousands of folks. You get 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.600 to your point, your crowds are growing. Twenty twelve, where 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:06.760 were you were coming in and people were I mean 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:10.120 you were taking I mean, yeah, you were like getting threats. 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.440 I mean you still get tons of threats, yep, But 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:14.720 it was I mean, what was it like just to 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.360 paint a picture of you walk into college that. 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.240 Had no money, no connections, and no idea what I 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.320 was doing. And yeah, I mean we were I didn't 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:23.960 even have a social media account. I mean, it was 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:25.320 just the ultimate startup. 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:27.520 And would you do say I'm available and you started 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:28.280 at this sort of debate. 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.000 No, it was even more scrappy. I would literally show 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.160 up to u W. Madison with a card table and 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.720 a big cardboard sign saying debate me. You know, like 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.160 here's some provostery twenty something. You know, I wouldn't even 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:39.800 film it. It was I was eighteen or nineteen. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:42.040 Eighteen or nineteen and what you just what by the 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.120 way where does that and sincerely to be able to 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:47.600 debate anybody at any time, anywhere in that environment. It's 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.080 just just I mean just you can you can say 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:55.280 it's just confidence or it's just absolutely I mean narcissist. 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:55.800 What is it? 0:08:56.160 --> 0:08:58.320 I mean just or just do I hope it's not 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.360 the other, But no, I mean I guess it would be. 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.079 I mean, at the most charitable reading, it could be confidence. 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.280 It also just be that I wanted to try and 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:11.320 challenge the predominant view. I always loved debate and this agreement. 0:09:11.480 --> 0:09:14.640 I love the kind of spar and yeah, I also 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.640 find it to be exciting, and I wanted to try to, 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:18.760 you know, figure out where my idea is actually that 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.280 good and to kind of draw stress tests. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:23.880 Yeah, ten x better than you were in twenty twelve 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.040 at the format probably probably, And you study it where 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:29.840 you just participate it. I mean what I when you 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:32.880 look at the old great debates or you're reading debating books, you're. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.640 Watching yeah, and I mean less about debating. I mean, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.160 debating is a practice that can really only be refined, 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:42.040 you know, with lots of routine and reps and repetition. 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:46.680 Just more about studying, you know, the great books, philosophy, right, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:47.120 all those. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:48.840 Things, and so you and you make a point prior 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.000 to that, I mean you to the point you never 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:52.720 you know, went to community college. 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.280 And I didn't even graduate community college, and you. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.480 An't even community which is great. By the way, I 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.560 was going to college and marine. I got lucky, got 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:01.520 a baseball coach that called me and allowed me to 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.840 get to four year university. I was joking with you 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:06.319 before we started nine to sixty SAT. I asked you 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:07.319 about your SAT. 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.640 To the act to the act, which proves two. 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.400 Things, how young you are and how different things were 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:14.640 you were. You grew up in Illinois. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:17.120 I grew up in which Midwest was traditionally more of 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:17.640 an act. 0:10:18.320 --> 0:10:19.960 But this has been a point of pride for you 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:22.600 that you didn't do a four year degree. 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.600 Because I represent most of the country. Is that actually 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:26.320 still the majority of the country does not have a 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.200 college degree. And if I may, you know bluntly critique 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:34.120 the Democrat Party. You guys have become so college credentialed 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.400 and educated that you guys snobbishly look on the muscular 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.360 class of this country, the people that kept things afloat 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.439 and running during COVID and yeah, I mean the majority 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.240 of the country didn't go to Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Caltech, 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:50.679 or cal Berkeley. Right, and the Republican Party has become 0:10:50.720 --> 0:10:53.160 far more representative of them, large in part thanks to Trump. 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:55.880 But yeah, and look I say it with some pride 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.920 also because as an entrepreneur, I tried to build something, right, 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:01.680 not just zeco credential. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.680 Love that and what And they're what eleven million folks, 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.800 there are million jobs out there. You make this point 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:06.240 all the time. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.199 Yeah, open jobs that don't require college. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.760 Do not require college degree. So when you say, and 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.800 it's interesting because there's sort of that critique of the 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:16.000 Democratic Party that we are captured by the sort of 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:19.120 college elite in what respect I mean stress tests that 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.040 for a second. Allow me to what specifically are you 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:23.959 referencing in that. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:28.320 Your voters, Your voters have become nearly I mean unan. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.079 The higher you go up the education ladder, the higher 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.000 the correlation it is that you vote for the Democrat Party. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.360 And it's almost a one to one with PhD. It's 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:37.760 like seventy five percent for master's degrees, and it's sixty 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:38.199 five percent. 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.000 Why why do you think that's the case, what are 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.360 the issues that sort of are identifying. 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:44.440 The line in that respect, the sloppy analysis like, oh, 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:46.840 they're smarter, therefore they must be Democrats, right, And I 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:51.160 think that's silly and insane, but an insulting I totally agree. 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.079 The more, the deeper, and more profound analysis is that 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:57.199 a lot of ideological bubbles that exist on these college campuses. 0:11:57.280 --> 0:12:00.280 They are homogeneous, not heterodoxs when it comes to what 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:05.320 ideas are expressed. And then secondly, the value system that 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.239 you leave on college campuses is high trust of institutions. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.840 So the biggest divide in America is not right versus left. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.360 It's whether or not you generally trust institutions or you 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.680 don't trust institutions. And this has been largely inverted the 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:17.920 last twenty years. So back in the early two thousands, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.400 Democrats were low trust of institutions, iraq war, anti Bush, 0:12:21.440 --> 0:12:24.240 anti NSA, anti Patriot Act, and that's when you guys 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.560 had a lot of activist spark and energy. That has 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.319 been completely inverted. So the right is now low trust 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:32.199 of institutions, where the left is high trust institutions. We're 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.360 the ones that challenge the COVID vaccine. We're the ones 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.200 that think that public health authorities might have lied to 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.920 us during COVID. We're the ones that don't necessarily believe 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:40.640 the government when it says that we should keep on 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.840 sending money to Ukraine. Again, that's a general rule. There 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:46.160 are some exceptions to that. But when you go to college, 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.000 you are trained to trust the experts, trust the scientists, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.160 trust the people that are leaders of authority, and the 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:55.000 Democrat Party is largely the gatekeepers of that kind of 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:56.520 ideological and intellectual regime. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.040 It's interesting and so from your perspective, I mean, do 0:13:00.160 --> 0:13:02.440 you advocate for people to sort of open up a 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.960 worldview that is life without a four year degree and 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:10.160 all the opportunities that present themselves anew in that respect, 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:16.000 are you arguing for the disestablishment the end of higher education? 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:17.640 I think it's going to happen, no matter what I mean, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.200 And in ten years, artificial intelligence is going to change everything, 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.800 and I don't know what these four year degrees are 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.720 actually doing to prepare these kids for that. But now, 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:26.839 as far as like I'm not, I mean my advocating 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:29.240 for the end of the pursuit of learning, of course not. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.280 That's one of my big critiques is that at a 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.400 lot of these schools, they're not pursuing what is good, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.760 true and beautiful. It's become the oppression Olympics and a 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.400 weaponized complaint seminar of people sitting in the circle and 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.719 finding out who's been offended the most that day. That's 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.360 not doing anybody any good, no, and in fact, it 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.319 creates a very weak political movement, which I think plays 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:49.679 into one of the reasons why we were able to 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:52.560 steamroll you guys back in November, is that once there's 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.920 a little opposition against a group of people that have 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.960 never actually been you know, had to build the muscle 0:13:58.000 --> 0:14:02.920 mass of a very difficult and unpredictable world. Whereas those 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:04.840 of us that are conservatives, we're insulted all the time. 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:06.319 So think about the experience of a kid on a 0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:09.480 college campus. They say they're graded differently because of their views. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.040 They may or may not be right. I think they are, 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:13.920 but they're definitely in the ideological minority. Right, you wear 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:15.880 a Trump pat on a college campus. At least until 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:17.880 we came around, that was like a big sign of 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.240 cultural rebellion. So you have two choices. You can either 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:23.160 stop fighting for what you believe in, or you become 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:27.600 really tough, and you create that muscle that allows you 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:30.200 to then carry and shoulder a heavier burden. 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:33.160 And so just and I don't want to blame the 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:36.680 issues of the establishment plot called higher education. It's some 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.640 have not you referred to it, though maybe you align yourself. 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.040 I wrote a whole book called the college scamp cause, 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:43.360 so it's. 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.640 Sort of it's sort of stress testing that in the 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:50.080 context of some would argue the contra argument is, you know, 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.440 a million dollars more in lifetime earnings, more likely to 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.520 get married, less likely to get divorced, more likely to 0:14:55.560 --> 0:15:00.840 be civically engaged, and longer life spans with college degrees. 0:15:00.920 --> 0:15:01.800 And you would say. 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.840 All of those is true. It's just let's not everyone 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:07.320 that goes to college graduates the national graduated. Yeah, forty 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:10.280 one percent drop out, exactly right. Also, half the kids 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.480 that graduate college will not even end up using their 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.320 degree when it comes to the affiliated job. So the 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:17.840 numbers are true. At the highest incomes, about ten percent 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.240 of kids that go to college stretch out the averages 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.800 to be really really high. And so, for example, you 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:25.640 go to cal Tech to study computer engineering and applied AI. 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:28.360 Next man, you're crushing it right, You go to cal 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.760 to go study North African lesbian poetry, Like, is that 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.200 an actual degree there? You tell me, I don't know. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.360 I mean we fund in front of the fact that 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:37.960 you don't know. 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:39.600 I don't know every single day. 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:43.760 I know it's the largest, but it's if the fact 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.400 it's a maybe we got some problems, well. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.160 The fact that a lot of people have explored different disciplines, 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:49.480 like that's fine, it's. 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:51.160 Just the taxpayer shouldn't have to fund it. 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.320 Well, yeah, I mean increasingly the individuals are funding is 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:56.720 you know, it's relates to the talk about the inversion 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:12.600 of how we fund education. And by the way, just FYI, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.280 having just put together a career master plan. We had 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:17.120 a master plan in the state of California that created 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.960 the uc systems, the CSUS in the community college system 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:23.040 half century ago. We've applied the same discipline to a 0:16:23.120 --> 0:16:26.080 career master plan in the state of California. And so 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.720 I'm completely aligned with you in terms of a focus 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.880 and energy there and looking at pre apprentice apprenticeships, looking 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:35.320 not even apprenticeships in the traditional sense, but valuing and 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.680 highlighting and signaling the value of a life without a degree. 0:16:39.720 --> 0:16:42.560 Et cetera. So I'm not as far off on this 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.280 as you are. That said, I've just I've got to 0:16:45.360 --> 0:16:48.920 admire what you've been able to do, not to weaponize, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.920 but to organize on these college campuses. A different point 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.960 of view. And again let's talk about some of that 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:57.160 when you go to these college campuses. I love watching 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.760 your TikTok, which is next level, and clearly that's expressed 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:01.000 by my thirteen year old son. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:03.720 I want to meet this guy. Yeah, I actually it's 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.399 coming to a turning point event this summer Tampa, Florida 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:07.439 Student Action Summit. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.760 Actually, because by the way, if you should be concerned, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.399 but let me say here, here is why I'm concerned, 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.959 because you have expressed that I should be concerned as 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.240 a Democrat that we're getting Oh we're getting blobbard. 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:22.280 Yes, that you've you've figured something out. 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:24.520 It's not me. The president first deserves the credit. 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.240 But why no, no, hold on, you were at this 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.480 before Trump was trying to know, but he was a 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.280 Democrat back in twenty eleven. 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.240 The president deserves huge credit. And I just have to 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.520 say that as an obligatory thing, because without him, our 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:38.240 Mason would be small. And you can appreciate that. In politics, 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:39.679 you have to appreciate the person. 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.440 Who you for you, that's what you sort of attached. 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.040 It was also just the catalyst. It was a cultural 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:46.479 moment that just opened us up. 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.840 But wait, but go back just on that, because I'm 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.960 curious in twenty twelve, thirteen fourteen, who were you identifying 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:52.720 with From the time. 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.120 I mean, I was more like, as I mentioned, Ron 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.760 Paul Ran Paul, Libertarians, that's where the energy really was, right, 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.320 and then President Trump comes on again. I was still 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.239 very early in my political journey. So you're looking up 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.040 a lot. You know, who's the top voices, what do 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:08.199 you believe? Why do you believe it? 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:10.240 Yeah? So more the libertarian friend. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:12.000 It was more and I still have some libertarian leanings 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:12.280 on something. 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.879 And when Trump came down that escalator, you're like, oh. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.960 Not day one, No, I was. I was mystified at first. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.720 Why are you saying this guy's there's no chance? It's funny. 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.720 I actually sent out a tweet very like twenty eleven 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.760 when I was high school saying Trump should run for office. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:27.600 But I was not mystified. Negatively, I was like, can 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:30.640 this really happen? Can a guy that has no political experience, 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.119 come down an escalator. He challenged the whole establishment. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.600 Right, But you didn't expect Donald Trump to come down 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.879 the escalator and start talking about illegal aliens or you know, 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:41.280 I disagree with it. What you didn't? 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.080 Yeah, I get that being and again this is well docmanted. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:48.159 Early in my journey, I underestimated the silent majority that 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.760 really wanted a rebalancing of the American political landscape. 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.919 So interesting, So Trump then became the catalysts, and so 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.639 turning point became sort of next level. You're a first 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.560 start that's going oranize around that turning point. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:05.160 Action becomes the political arm. So one is more educational, 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.399 one is more political. And we did ballot chasing in 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:12.520 Arizona and Wisconsin. We were successful in that alongside the 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.400 Trump campaign. Arizona was the best performing swing state. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.240 And you're not modeling yourself at anything because the flatness 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.200 of the surrounding terrain, meaning we're the Democrats, had other organizing. 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.720 We were modeling off of some of the ballot chasing 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:29.639 ballot harvesting practices of the left. But I mean there's 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:34.480 again that's a self limiting principle. You can't ballot chase 0:19:34.480 --> 0:19:36.840 if no one wants to vote for you. So, I mean, 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:38.600 you could have the best organizers in the world and 0:19:38.600 --> 0:19:41.440 you have two thousand people chasing ballots in Arizona and 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:44.280 you're runn Kamala Harris in Arizona. You actually was. And 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:46.720 what we ended up tracking through our data is that 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.359 the Democrats were chasing for us, is that they were 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:52.200 chasing low propensity Hispanics, thinking that they were all for 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:54.960 Kamala And in fact, we were looking at the precinct 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.399 numbers of areas we didn't hit that moved like twenty 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.719 points in Trump's direction. We're like, well, thank you very much, 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:02.760 ca a campaign for getting out and chasing our ballots. 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:05.240 And you know, for all this, these Hispanic men that 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.920 are mechanics, we appreciate it. Thanks for making sure that 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:12.560 we also won Dave McCormick's Senate seat, right right, So again, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.560 chasing is only one part of the like, Democrats, of course, 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.760 are better organizers than us. I mean, it's in your blood. 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:20.520 Barack Obama is a community organizer. We make fun of it. 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.439 It's who you guys are. You guys have labor as 0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.280 a backbone, clipboard and tennis shoes. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.120 However, labor less and less we can talk about for. 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:30.600 Sure and moment. Yeah, but what we always felt that 0:20:30.600 --> 0:20:32.320 we had as we felt we had better ideas and 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.520 a better message and all that the idea was, can 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.520 we combo a little bit of organizing practices with a 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.080 mass movement, which is how you get a national popular 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.640 vote victory and an overwhelming electoral landslide. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.600 And so what do you see just? I mean I 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.640 sort of talked about the flatness of the surrounding terrain, 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:51.480 meaning the Democratic parties party in some respect as it 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:55.560 relates to appreciate your point about organizing, but also corrosion 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.159 versus you know, sort of forcing people to vote versus 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.520 an enthusiasm and a desired actually proactively. 0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:03.840 That actually that has a backfiring effective. 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:06.320 I totally I appreciate that. And so what what do 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.920 you see right now? I mean, you know, I think 0:21:08.960 --> 0:21:10.399 you talked about it the other day. A lot of 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.200 folks were talking about that Carvil article where he talked 0:21:13.200 --> 0:21:16.240 about over rollover in SNCA. 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.200 I think it was a strategic. 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:20.720 Retreat, right that we need to come back. Trump's starting 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.199 to plode a numbers are getting soft, and this was 0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.200 even before the tariff issues et cetera, and then come 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.640 back and strike when hot, and I immediately nobody else 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:32.200 thought about you, who's just twenty four to seven flooding 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.679 the zone. Back to my thirteen year old owning this 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.600 space every day, getting a convert every day, picking up 0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.360 one to ten thousand folks, continuing the momentum coming out 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.800 of this damn election. And then I'm thinking about, we're 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:47.800 going to stand back and watch you run circles around 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.960 us for six months, the next two or three years, 0:21:51.480 --> 0:21:54.840 waiting for the moment to finally strike. Strike struck me 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.119 as not necessarily the best advice. And it's not a 0:21:57.240 --> 0:21:59.280 knock on Carvil, who I have deep respect for. 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:02.560 That's okay, so I don't have to he was He's 0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:04.160 right about one thing in the last forty years. It's 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.480 economy stupid, and boys, he spent that He spent down 0:22:06.520 --> 0:22:09.240 that one line pretty amazingly. But yeah, look, I'll say, 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.000 I don't want to make this about Carville, but like, yeah, 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:13.440 I hope you guys retreat you kind of like that 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.080 for us. I mean, if there's no opposition, there's no 0:22:16.200 --> 0:22:19.440 arctivist activist spark, if like you guys are posting these 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.360 cringe videos on social media are the ones I don't 0:22:22.400 --> 0:22:25.080 know this like har harmonious thing of like twenty two 0:22:25.080 --> 0:22:27.359 senators all saying the same thing like that, Yeah, I 0:22:27.359 --> 0:22:28.879 didn't like it. What do you go ahead, go do 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:30.280 more of that? What are you doing? 0:22:30.480 --> 0:22:32.520 But what do you do? Seriously, Charlie Kirk, give us 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:32.720 some of. 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.040 The better ideas governor, Like for example, I mean, like 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:37.439 if you want to, like, you have an opportunity to, like, 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:39.240 you know, run to the middle and see this man's 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:41.359 obviously you're talking to me about people, So like you 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.600 right now should come out and be like, you know what, 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:46.520 the young man who's about to win the state championship 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.359 in the long jump in female sports, that's that that 0:22:49.359 --> 0:22:51.359 shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.760 say no, no, And I appreciate and but like, would 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.439 you do something like that? Would you say no men 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:56.120 in female sports? 0:22:56.160 --> 0:22:57.840 Well, it's I think it's an issue of fairness. I 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.359 completely agree with you on that. It is an issue affairs. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:03.000 So it's deeply would you speak out against this young man, 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:05.159 baby Hernandez, who right now is going to win the 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.440 state championship in the long time, I can see you 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:08.000 wrestling with it. 0:23:08.160 --> 0:23:11.000 No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not relaction with the fairness issue. 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:12.560 I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:14.479 with four kids, you got to think two daughters, right, 0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.080 two daughters and a wife that went God forbid to Stanford, 0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:21.240 played on the junior national soccer team, and a guy 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.080 who got into college only because I was left handed 0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:27.280 and could throw baseball a little bit or hit the 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:31.240 ball for a little bit. So I revere sports, and 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:33.920 so the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I 0:23:34.400 --> 0:23:37.040 saw that the last couple of years. Boy did I 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:39.320 saw how you guys were able to weaponize that. 0:23:39.280 --> 0:23:41.280 Issue at another weaponize Don't that's that's. 0:23:41.200 --> 0:23:44.080 Webinized, maybe Pajordan of You're right, but you were able 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:46.440 to shine a light on highlight it in a way 0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.480 that frankly, there are not that many we're talking about. 0:23:49.520 --> 0:23:52.320 I think two, five hundred and ten thousand. No, No, 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:53.960 but I just didn't realize. 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.720 It's eight hundred ninety medals in trophies that we know 0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.280 of in the last five years. That's a lot. 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.520 No. So I'm gonna let me step back saympletely fair 0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:03.240 on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's 0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:05.880 easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.960 a humility and a grace. You know that that these 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:11.440 poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.720 and depression, and the way that people talk down to 0:24:14.800 --> 0:24:17.680 vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard 0:24:17.680 --> 0:24:20.480 time with as well. So both things I can hold 0:24:20.520 --> 0:24:23.159 in my hand. How can we address this issue with 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:25.760 the kind of decency that I think you know it's 0:24:25.800 --> 0:24:29.520 inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue. No, 0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.000 I get it. At the same time, deal with. 0:24:31.000 --> 0:24:33.480 The unfair you're asked. You asked a good faith question, 0:24:33.560 --> 0:24:35.720 like how do we Democrats get out of the wilderness? Yeah, 0:24:35.760 --> 0:24:38.320 this one is an eighty twenty issue in your time's poll, right, 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:38.639 that's all. 0:24:38.680 --> 0:24:39.119 I agree with you. 0:24:39.200 --> 0:24:41.280 We're getting crushed on and like crush and you have 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.159 an opportunity in the state to be like, Look, I 0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:45.200 have a heart for Aby Hernandez. I have a heart 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:48.360 for the San Jose volleyball player. Yeah, let's give them compassion. 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:50.240 But it's not fair. Is just for like a woman's 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.280 entire woman's sports. I agree you know, by. 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:54.600 The way I agree with you, I agree with you, 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:57.080 and it's interesting I stress tested this child. I was wondering, 0:24:57.200 --> 0:24:59.080 I said, you know, in California, and I've been a 0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.399 leader in the LGBT few places as face as you know, 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:04.040 back in two thousand and four, was marrying same sex couples. 0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:07.280 And I know we have different opinion on marriage equality, 0:25:07.920 --> 0:25:09.600 and so I've been at this for years and years. 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:11.240 I take a back seat to no one, But I 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.560 was actually on the issue of sports, which in the 0:25:13.640 --> 0:25:17.280 last few years has just exploded. Trying to understand and 0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.760 understand the ten athletes in the NC TWOA five hundred 0:25:19.760 --> 0:25:23.360 and ten thousand athletes, but ten athletes, but how profound 0:25:23.400 --> 0:25:26.200 And even my own friend Cohort people saying, the hell 0:25:26.280 --> 0:25:28.960 is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:31.200 did this happen? So in two thousand turns out in 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:34.240 twenty fourteen, years before I was governor, there was a 0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:38.399 law established that established the legal principles that allow the 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:42.439 allow trans athletes and women's sports. But the issue of 0:25:42.440 --> 0:25:45.000 fairness is completely jit. So I completely align with you, 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.240 and we've got to own that and we've got to 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:49.520 acknowledge it. I don't say that through the prism of 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:53.200 politics because you disagree with same sex marriage on principle, 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.240 and so I'm not And by the way, I value 0:25:56.280 --> 0:25:58.680 the fact that you're not trying to walk away from 0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:03.120 that principle because elector I'm in the minority of that. Yeah, 0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:05.640 and I don't want to walk away from this principle 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.840 because of electoral But it is an issue of fairness, 0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.120 and I think Democrats, I. 0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:13.199 Think that the I wish that we would have done 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.440 this podcast last week because well, because the US Senate 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:19.280 just vote. Every Democrat voted against that bill. And I'm 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:21.400 just telling you, like again, I'm not one to give 0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:24.080 Governor new some advice. You guys are giving us an 0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:27.880 eighty twenty issue that is just permeating the country. It's 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:30.159 and is such an uffront to our senses. And you 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.119 look at these videos, Governor, because it's not just that 0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:34.200 it's okay you read an article about it, but these 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:37.560 young men that are you know, are in these sports. 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.679 They're throwing around girls, and it is an issue of fairness. 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:43.240 But it goes to a broader arch narrative there, which 0:26:43.280 --> 0:26:45.160 is important now and I want to hear this, which 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.240 is this that that that you that the Democrats, you 0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:50.640 guys will tend to view an incident through an oppressor 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:53.280 of press Blens. Yeah, it's your training. It comes from college, 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.560 it comes from and we as conservatives tend to view 0:26:56.560 --> 0:26:59.919 things through right or wrong, or just or unjust, and 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.040 the country is going far more in our direction and 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.000 away from your direction, because the problem with oppress or 0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:09.600 oppressed is eventually you run out of oppressors and you 0:27:09.640 --> 0:27:12.280 start creating them out of thin air, and you start 0:27:12.320 --> 0:27:14.320 trying to say, well, these people must to be blamed 0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.520 for all of our problems. Or that's where you get 0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.800 a lot of the let's just say a lot of 0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.080 For example, there's Wall Street Journal editorial like when will 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.800 the white men shut up or stop complaining? That does 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:27.840 no good for anybody? Right, So what I'm what I'm 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.800 getting at, though, is it's a worldview difference, right, And. 0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.320 So that is why the issue is so much more powerful. 0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:36.160 Of course it is because, but it's also pattern recognition. 0:27:36.400 --> 0:27:38.920 It's pattern recognition of a Democrat party that post twenty 0:27:38.960 --> 0:27:41.480 twenty decided to go all and we call it woke, 0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:43.800 you might call it you know, justice or whatever it is, 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:47.760 but it's so outside of what we would consider traditional 0:27:47.800 --> 0:28:04.200 Americans norms and customs. A Democrat strategist would say, oh, Charlie, 0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.360 you're weaponizing stuff, not you, but like that's a typical, 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.560 typical thing. But the most effective ad of this election cycle, 0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:11.240 the most effective ad, you know what it. 0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:15.680 Is, Yeah, and devastating. Trump's for you, She's for them. 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.560 And devastating again in the state, devastating and devastation. 0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:21.200 She didn't even react to it, which was even. 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.800 More Why was devastating? Number one, it was the trans 0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:27.840 issue that was just you know, monopolizing. 0:28:26.960 --> 0:28:29.560 And this was this was even more challenging because there's 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:33.280 issues of people that are incarcerated and illegal and illegal 0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:38.480 incarcerated individuals getting taxpayer funded yes, and gender reassignments agents 0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:40.560 that is a ninety ten not an age, right. 0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.640 And then she's like enthusiastically defending dragging, being like, I'm 0:28:44.680 --> 0:28:46.000 all for this, all all for this. 0:28:46.120 --> 0:28:47.720 And then you had the video that it was a 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:52.080 validator brutal. Yeah, and so tensi millions brutal. And then 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:56.080 the targeted focus from the from the Trump campaign next. 0:28:55.960 --> 0:28:58.160 Level, and then Charlotte Ma comes out on Breakfast Club 0:28:58.240 --> 0:28:59.640 is like, this is insane and they ran it on 0:28:59.720 --> 0:29:02.840 in a football brilliant yes, And so you're trying to 0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:05.760 reach men. It's it's not like, it's not this a 0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:06.440 brilliant campaign. 0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:08.760 Commercial was brutal. DEBI doesn't require the way we were 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.840 running around just in the for the what the hell 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.440 it's worth for you? She was ag at the time 0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:16.360 she was addressing the issue of a legal settlement. The 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.280 courts were interviewed, still happening, but she had the video 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:25.640 where in the video she was obviously expressed support and 0:29:25.720 --> 0:29:28.640 so she was being a cheerleader for a very popular thing. 0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:31.640 It was, and it was it was a great ad. 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:33.880 And I say that lightly. 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:36.240 This is political and I want to make sure this 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.760 it's not just that this was like the Willie Horton 0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:40.880 ad of the twenty twenty four. It wasn't just like 0:29:40.880 --> 0:29:45.200 a leatwater brilliance. It's that it reflected truth that the 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.640 voters felt. Yeah, I appreciate it, and that because because 0:29:47.720 --> 0:29:51.560 voters felt as if their country was slipping away. Now 0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:53.960 you have the Democrats have a choice. You could say 0:29:53.960 --> 0:29:56.520 to those people you're racist, your Nazis, your fascists, you're terrible, 0:29:56.920 --> 0:29:59.160 or you can listen and be like, why is it 0:29:59.360 --> 0:30:01.760 that a steel worker in Pittsburgh who's voted Democrat. His 0:30:01.920 --> 0:30:06.200 entire life is voting for Trump despite all of you know, 0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:07.560 the stuff that's been thrown at him. 0:30:07.520 --> 0:30:10.320 Yeah, and rhetoric that he's thrown it at us. 0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:14.280 Yes, context, but it's it's it's a pattern, and the 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:15.960 trans thing is just one of those things. But the 0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:19.160 second element was also what we saw under Joe Biden, 0:30:19.760 --> 0:30:22.560 was if you came to the southern border from any 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.720 country and you spoke the magic words, you could go 0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:28.080 to any city You're choosing right CBP one border app 0:30:28.480 --> 0:30:31.320 And all of a sudden, that steel worker in Pittsburgh's like, 0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.800 why am I paying all these taxes? And I'm getting 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.200 my I can't afford beer, I can't afford anything. And 0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:39.640 so I guess my question is to you, what are 0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:40.959 the Democrats going to do about it? 0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:42.400 So I went and let me I'm going to answer 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:44.080 that in a second, but let me just let me 0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:47.040 let me pull a few more threads. You said twenty 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:51.440 twenty is when you started to seeing the Democrats sort 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:53.880 of advanced this notion of wocism. 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:57.400 So when THEO the awokening, the awokening really started, what 0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:58.720 was it? You know what I'm talking about? 0:30:58.920 --> 0:31:02.240 But so is it the LATINX stuff that By the way, 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:04.480 not one person ever in my office has ever used 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:05.080 the word LATINX. 0:31:05.360 --> 0:31:06.560 So can we finally put that to bed? 0:31:06.680 --> 0:31:07.760 Yeah? But what did that even? 0:31:07.800 --> 0:31:07.880 Know? 0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:08.080 More? 0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:08.959 Everybody? 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.360 Well, I just didn't even know where it came from, 0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:12.920 And like, what are people talking about? Was it the pronouns? 0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.200 By the way, once once you'd think California invented the 0:31:16.200 --> 0:31:18.440 frame of the problem. Now I mean literally I had 0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:22.160 one meeting where people started going around the table protests one. 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:24.440 There's been a hell of a lot of days between 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.280 twenty twenty and today and one meeting, So it's not 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.120 like this is I'm like, what the hell is? Why 0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:30.280 is this the biggest issue? 0:31:30.400 --> 0:31:34.800 Well, in corporate America's everywhere? Okay, all right, in college campuses. 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.840 And must college see that's where you reside a lot 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:38.920 in the college campus. You made a defund the schools 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:42.560 if they're doing like Jesus okay, and it's a number 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:45.280 number three? What else? I mean did you started me? 0:31:45.440 --> 0:31:47.320 What was also the big wokeism thing? 0:31:47.360 --> 0:31:48.800 I mean, I mean, first of all, it wasn't just 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.840 it wasn't just the projection of certain narratives, which we 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.600 could obviously go through but it's when policy started to 0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.240 come forward and what kind of policies hiring practices when 0:31:57.240 --> 0:31:58.280 it was there was We're not. 0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:00.560 There was de kides ago. 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.200 Yeah, I mean it was just what we saw. We 0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:06.719 saw mass adoption. What we saw and not only that, 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:09.880 we saw pledging of billions of dollars of donations to 0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:14.240 racial justice from the biggest types of corporations imaginable. 0:32:13.720 --> 0:32:14.080 For the point. 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:16.160 And then it was sort of post George Floyd That's 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:17.959 what I'm saying, that's when that's when that's what you had. 0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:19.680 You had a combustible Was that wrong? 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:21.840 I mean to address the issue of racial I mean 0:32:21.840 --> 0:32:24.640 there was there's legitimate issues as it relates to past practice. 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.040 Was what was insulting. What was insulting to a lot 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.120 of people is number one, where's the money going? Because 0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:31.920 the top premier BLM charity ended up being a racket, 0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:35.360 right with Patrice Colors, Like where'd that hundred million bucks go? 0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:37.040 So all of a sudden we learned that and all 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.720 these pledges of corporate dollars, We're going to this woman 0:32:39.800 --> 0:32:43.160 that's like hiring her like brother for personal security, and 0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.040 that like a lot of and you would even agree 0:32:45.040 --> 0:32:49.120 like that that that became the number two. But number two, 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:52.520 which I think was most important, was that it was 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:56.760 it elevated then this scholarly community that was otherwise fringe, 0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:59.960 like Robin DiAngelo and other people, and her book White Frigid. 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.200 Literally the entire premise of her book is that white 0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.200 people need to stop being so fragile about race. You 0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:06.560 need to sit down and shut up and hear how 0:33:06.640 --> 0:33:09.040 racist you are. And she was brought on tours to 0:33:09.080 --> 0:33:12.040 corporations across the country. And by the way, just you understand, 0:33:12.200 --> 0:33:14.320 this was a phenomenon over months and months, and it 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.320 didn't quite catch up in turn in time for the 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.800 twenty twenty election. I do believe that if you guys 0:33:18.840 --> 0:33:21.000 would have been a little less insane on crime in 0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.440 the summer of twenty, you would have completely clavered us. 0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.360 In November of twenty, it was like the it was 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.239 the riots that even made twenty twenty close. But then 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:31.320 it was the extension of all of the what we 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:33.080 would call woke stuff. 0:33:33.120 --> 0:33:34.120 And defund police. 0:33:34.280 --> 0:33:37.160 Yeah, I mean Minneapolis literally had to hold a special 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:39.960 vote saying like should we still have a police department? 0:33:40.040 --> 0:33:42.920 Yeah? That's I mean, I mean, that's that was lunacy. 0:33:43.000 --> 0:33:45.320 I mean, but governed by the way, by the way, 0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:48.360 you're talking to someone who's never supported the defense. But 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:49.200 I was explicit, but. 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.160 Also like you did support Prop sixteen and twenty twenty, 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:56.080 which would have legalized racial racial prejudice. 0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:56.200 Right. 0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:59.080 Prop sixteen literally would and to go back to not 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:01.560 a year. You know, you're no sixteen. 0:34:01.280 --> 0:34:03.360 Until a nine to sixty sat so little hum. 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.040 You're the governor of the largest state in the country. No, no, no, 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:07.920 I saw your debate against the Santis. You're good at 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:09.959 this stuff. You know I'm talking about. Props sixteen would 0:34:09.960 --> 0:34:13.719 have had legalized racial prejudice, which it got defeated by 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:16.799 sixteen points despite all the institutions. So you're asking me, 0:34:16.840 --> 0:34:19.480 what did wokeism look like when California, when all the 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:24.200 institutions yourself included, with all due respect, embraced this insane 0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.239 ballot measure. Guess what even the people of California didn't want. 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.880 Yeah, II, racial dismember. California since nineteen ninety six has 0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:32.919 had Prop two oh nine. So the affirmative action case 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.080 came from the Supreme Court as well. It's the institutions 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:38.120 of hire learning had no impact on California, so we've 0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:41.680 Actually it's an interesting California also codified as a constitutional 0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:45.359 amendment marriage between a man and a woman, and that 0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:48.840 was in the two thousand. So California runs an interesting 0:34:49.000 --> 0:34:49.520 I saw. 0:34:49.400 --> 0:34:52.399 A contractinating though that despite I mean, there was really 0:34:52.440 --> 0:34:54.680 like no opposition. It was like a couple hundred like 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.200 Asian ratiativists, honestly, go back to it. But I just 0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:58.879 want to say, if you asked the question what did 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:02.040 wokeism look like? Prop sixteen in California that would have 0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:04.600 had legalized racial discrimination. 0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.360 That was not a major There was a broader no 0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:07.880 just I'm. 0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.000 Gonna bring it home to you. There were hundreds of 0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:11.120 such ballot referendums. 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:11.279 Right. 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:13.680 There was you know, city council meetings where they said 0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.560 the white people aren't allowed here, right, and what's not good? 0:35:16.640 --> 0:35:19.000 I know it's not good. And so what that ends 0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:21.560 up happen. What ends up happening is a broader question 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.680 of sensible not racist suburban moms that are like, wait 0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:28.319 a second, I have a eight year old white son. 0:35:28.360 --> 0:35:30.560 Are you trying to say he's a racist? And it 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:33.560 creates a backlash that then bubbles up. 0:35:33.640 --> 0:35:36.759 Right, I appreciate I appreciate that perspective, and know I 0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.640 appreciate not just the perspective, I totally appreciate what you 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.200 just said as an explicit statement of fact to make 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:45.520 an eight year old feel like the racist is absurd. 0:35:46.280 --> 0:35:48.080 Governor, with all the respect that's happening right now in 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.640 California policy. And I'm not trying to drill you on you. 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:53.480 I'm just being honest, Like you could say that, but 0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.120 like maybe you should like convene a special session and say, 0:35:56.160 --> 0:36:01.080 like no more you know, race based teaching against white 0:36:01.120 --> 0:36:04.120 people in the schools of California or Asians. I'm just 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:06.520 saying though that, like this is not a conjecture, it's 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:09.759 not hypothetical. It is embedded into the DNA of the 0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:10.479 Democrat Party. 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.400 Yeah, okay, I appreciate, I mean the whole how the 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.279 CRT stuff, Yes, I mean where I was trying to 0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:18.200 find it. You think we have CRT and K through 0:36:18.200 --> 0:36:18.520 twelve and. 0:36:18.560 --> 0:36:20.120 Do you have principles of it? I mean, of course, 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.640 critical theory is like a PhD that's sort of different 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.640 by Derek Bell and Kimberly Crenshaw, but of the same 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.840 way that you have advanced physics and the theories of 0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:32.680 physics in eighth grade. It's like saying that, but for example, 0:36:32.680 --> 0:36:34.120 I mean, it's very simple. 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.120 And at least that explains why, because I'm just trying 0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:36.600 to find it. 0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.880 And we know over at least fifty schools in California 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:41.400 that do things called privilege walks. Do you know what 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:42.120 privilege walks are? 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:42.760 What privileged? 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.360 Where they make kids walk ahead based on certain questions 0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:47.800 and they try to make a point saying, well, you 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:50.080 see the white people are ahead, they must have white privilege. 0:36:50.080 --> 0:36:52.920 Okay, I get it. Yeah, No, like, all right, I 0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:55.040 got to get back to back into the classroom that 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:57.279 I got to get. You got six million kids, get 0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.560 your allocations. One thousand and fifty school this's the largest 0:37:00.680 --> 0:37:04.000 resting play. But no excuse because these things are important. 0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.800 And by the way, it's the reason we're having this conversation. 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:09.400 I'm this is very illuminating and I ful to me 0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.120 to understand sort of the animus. What is it about? 0:37:12.360 --> 0:37:14.399 You know that? Anime? I joke with people, I said, 0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:16.160 what you know, you guys don't like DEE I, C 0:37:16.400 --> 0:37:19.280 R T, E, S G D O J FBI. 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:20.400 It's a acronym. 0:37:20.480 --> 0:37:22.440 It's all the nam three letter acronyms. What's what the 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:24.319 hell is the issue? What's going on with all that? 0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:27.359 You know? I can I do you miss some which ones? 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:28.680 Which others? Whatever? I missed? 0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.319 E p A. Of course you can can't study the 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:32.640 Employment Prevention Agency. 0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:35.600 Oh okay, you're about to get that sixty five percent. 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:39.400 That's what Look I mean, look, I mean the So 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:42.000 it's not just acronyms that we dislike, for the record, 0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:44.840 but it's it's what goes like that subtimes. 0:37:44.880 --> 0:37:46.680 I mean, how about the book band stuff. On a 0:37:46.680 --> 0:37:51.400 serious note, forty forty and forty books or titles, libraries 0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:54.680 and schools are banned in twenty twenty three? Is that 0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:56.560 not as a as a conservative? 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:58.640 Well it depends. I mean, I think we can both 0:37:58.680 --> 0:38:00.719 agree pornography should not be did nine year old a 0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:01.120 fair point? 0:38:01.160 --> 0:38:03.000 Okay, so that's a book band, all right? Well there 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:04.640 are some other books No, no, no. 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.040 That was the Moms for Liberty contention timeout like Ivory 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.279 and Bill Radley. The Mom's for Liberty movement that you 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.520 made a big thing of was just no porn to 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.759 ten year olds we agread. So those bands should be 0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:16.920 those book should be banned. So what we should do, right, 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.000 now is every California school that has porn in their 0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:23.840 library should be kicked out the Bible. Well, I wouldn't 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.719 say the Song of Solomon is porn. 0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:27.600 But I thank some have made that point. Is that 0:38:27.640 --> 0:38:30.480 a fair I don't think that's fair as a man 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:32.400 of faith, and I deeply admire that about you. 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.759 Thank you, yes, sir, But no, I mean again, the 0:38:34.880 --> 0:38:37.760 Song of Solomon is rather risky. But what we're talking 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.640 about in these books is not just the words, it's 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:41.880 also the images. And again your audience can look at 0:38:41.880 --> 0:38:45.200 the images themselves. It's highly graphic. But again, what. 0:38:45.239 --> 0:38:47.880 It seems a banning binge, I mean at next level 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:49.480 sort of cancel culture. 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.560 But why do you think moms are doing that? Do 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.640 you think it's because they want to have mind control 0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.319 or do you think that they have come across I 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:59.320 think the incident of incident of highly provocative material moms. 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.200 But this mom's I mean, I don't have to get 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.120 into mods for liberty. You brought up the book band 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:08.520 deeply organized for a larger agenda. But that's my humble opinion. 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.920 But I but for ex but let me just you know, 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.000 kind of complete. The point is that it's easy to 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:15.440 just call it kind of a book ban, but when 0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:17.040 you actually have to read some of these books, it 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:19.160 will take your breath away of some of this stuff. Right, 0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:20.960 You're like, Okay, you know we're teaching attendants to what 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:21.560 a condom on? 0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.239 I know, I just have a problem with you know, 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.399 who the hell is going to decide that government, I mean, 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.319 doron Desanta is going to decide what I can read 0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:28.720 or say. I mean in the boardroom. 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:31.760 And this is the exercise of politics, though the exercise 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:34.040 of politics is the highest form of community because it 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:36.640 blends morality and sociability. So what we do is we 0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.680 have discussion and elections, and we have boards and commissions, right, 0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.120 and we as a people say okay, no porn for 0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:44.479 ten year olds. Yeah, and that's politics, right. I mean again, 0:39:44.480 --> 0:39:45.400 I'm not saying that there's. 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.360 Something we've got to stress test where the Bibles including that. 0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.080 I don't even want to go forward any more of this. No, 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:52.960 it's tough, but this is that comes then this OA, 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:54.200 I just becomes a dialector. 0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:56.879 I have heard a lot I've never heard that's interesting though, 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:59.120 I know, I mean, it's a it's a I don't think. 0:39:59.239 --> 0:40:02.080 I don't take it deeply. Don't mean offense by the 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.960 way if father, cause would be offended if you But 0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:09.000 there's just there's but there's most of these books are 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:12.080 critical on that portogram. There's sections that are that some kind. 0:40:11.920 --> 0:40:14.799 Of of images that are very violated to young kids. 0:40:14.880 --> 0:40:15.960 Some we would agree on that, but. 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.800 Can one of you if you want to learn, Governor. 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:21.120 And I'm happy that there is a movement of moms 0:40:21.120 --> 0:40:23.839 that is not that's growing where they feel as if 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:26.719 our kids are being hyper sexualized, and I agree with 0:40:26.760 --> 0:40:28.640 them that they are being that they have to hear 0:40:28.719 --> 0:40:31.880 topics social media well, both in the social media and 0:40:31.880 --> 0:40:34.880 the plasticular. And I mean, look again, you signed a 0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:37.480 law where school districts can't even tell parents if their 0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:40.640 kids are trans. Not true, Actually okay, then. 0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:42.960 No they can. They just can't get fired for not 0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:46.800 doing that. And it wasn't just there was. The law 0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:52.760 was explicit said you can't be fired for not snitching 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.400 on a kid, not just for being trans, for being gay. 0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:59.120 And my point is, how the hell but parents know 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:01.840 they have everybody by the way, parents snitching. No, the 0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:06.440 teachers themselves have the right. The law is they can 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.239 do that. They can do that We're not saying you 0:41:08.239 --> 0:41:11.040 can't do that. We're saying you shouldn't be fired if 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:14.440 you choose not to say Johnny was talking about, you know, 0:41:14.560 --> 0:41:19.120 liking some other chad charitable. But let me freedom not 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:20.080 let me tell. 0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:22.120 You the other way to say this that a teacher, 0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:25.600 of course should be fired if you don't notify a 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:28.120 parent of what's happening to their kid. But I meant 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:32.040 they should be terminated for that if the teaching. 0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:33.640 I want these kids to teach. I want these teachers 0:41:33.719 --> 0:41:35.480 to teach, and by the way they feel like the 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:37.960 health or safety to the kid, they have a responsibility 0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:40.080 to communicate that. They still can't. By the way, we're 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:42.759 not selling these teachers they can't. We're saying they won't 0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:45.600 be fired if they don't look around and say in 0:41:45.640 --> 0:41:48.120 the recess, there were two boys, Why didn't you see that? 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.240 You're fired? You should have said something because they're talking about. 0:41:51.000 --> 0:41:53.440 Two different things. You're but there, of course should be 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:56.680 a penalty measure, whether it be termination or whatever, if 0:41:56.719 --> 0:41:59.600 a teacher withholds information from a parent, Because what you're 0:41:59.600 --> 0:42:01.560 saying is that there's no way to hold them accountable. 0:42:01.680 --> 0:42:02.359 You're saying you're. 0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:06.080 Accountable to what though accountable two kids talking about the 0:42:06.080 --> 0:42:09.000 fact that this is a talking about subject matter all 0:42:09.000 --> 0:42:11.440 of a sudden, now we have to have teachers policing. 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:13.120 I think beach or conversation. 0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.160 You would agree, Governor, that is an over extreme example 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.520 what we're talking about. It's but the extreme example we're 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.680 talking about is if which happens a lot, unfortunately, is 0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.600 if a young girl says that, hey, I want to transition, 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:29.120 and the teacher accommodates and affirms it and the parent 0:42:29.160 --> 0:42:31.160 doesn't even know. I have met parents like that, and 0:42:31.200 --> 0:42:31.680 I heard. 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:33.120 Of Trump and then they come back in there. But 0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:35.040 I think there's so much extreme. 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:36.400 Right, I will say, and we don't have to, you know, 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:38.200 we don't have to wrestle too much on this topic. 0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.760 But you guys will lose on these topics. No, I disagree, 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:42.959 but but but I'm one of those guys. 0:42:42.960 --> 0:42:45.520 In child I appreciate and I, by the way, appreciate 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:49.160 the cibility which we're engaged in this conversation. Sincerely, I 0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.759 don't mind losing. Sometimes you lose on Prince. It's one 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.600 of those things. Everything's not political, is the point. And 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:57.640 sometimes in principle and by the way, matter. Respect for 0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.799 you abortion and same I experienced us. The American people 0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:03.000 don't agree with me exactly and I but I admire 0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.960 that on principal. But for me, it's not just political, 0:43:06.000 --> 0:43:08.760 and I appreciate you you're making that point. I deeply 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:12.040 am mindful of the politics of this, which are very unhelpful. 0:43:12.280 --> 0:43:17.000 I personally, it's unhelpful. More broadly professionally the Democratic Party 0:43:17.000 --> 0:43:19.120 in our brand and one of the reasons to your point, 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.760 the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed. 0:43:22.760 --> 0:43:26.799 And so is your self. Awareness is helpful to know 0:43:26.960 --> 0:43:29.600 because it is deeply unpopular, and I think that that 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:33.319 is that is an ascendant political force, right, that is 0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:34.120 not going away. 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.960 No, I appreciate, but I also appreciate you hold deeply 0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:37.840 unpopular beliefs. 0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:39.600 Of course I do, but I I know, but you're 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:41.839 not running for office. I'm not going to run as 0:43:41.840 --> 0:43:42.240 a moderate. 0:43:42.280 --> 0:43:44.000 What do you When do you when you're running for office? 0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:46.840 I saw running. I saw a poll in Arizona that 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:49.040 you were like one or two. Yeah, the highest name 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.759 ID and a favorability. When are you running? Is is 0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:52.720 that what this is all about? 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:53.440 It's definitely no. 0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:55.480 You're not even old enough to be president. You're only 0:43:55.520 --> 0:43:56.239 thirty one years old. 0:43:56.280 --> 0:43:58.719 You got to be I mean, running anything you're going 0:43:58.760 --> 0:44:01.360 to run against I'm running for you know, head of 0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:05.959 most popular TikToker. But I'm not running for anything. 0:44:05.960 --> 0:44:07.759 But would we ban TikTok? Are you? 0:44:07.840 --> 0:44:08.280 No? It should? 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:08.400 Now? 0:44:08.400 --> 0:44:09.920 I used to say that, and then I started. 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:11.920 Why did you change your position because it's literally interesting 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:13.000 or Trump told you to? 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:14.879 Well, no, it definitely was not Trump. I sent out 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:17.440 a tweet, and I'm perfectly honest about this. I think 0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:19.000 you'd respect this is that I was so mad at 0:44:19.000 --> 0:44:20.759 them because they would ban me all the time. And 0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:22.719 I sent out a tweet saying like, hey, if you 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.600 guys are really for free speech as a creator, like, 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:27.600 let's see it. Get a call from TikTok a couple 0:44:27.640 --> 0:44:29.440 hours later. We're going to show you that we're for 0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:30.840 free speech. We're going to show you the power of 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:31.400 the platform. 0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:31.640 Right. 0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.200 And I saw real changes where our campus interactions went 0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.400 from being banned to now well over two and a 0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:41.400 half billion views on TikTok. And so I wouldn't say expedient, 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:45.239 I'd say impact. And also they now have changed some 0:44:45.239 --> 0:44:49.239 of their speech codes, They've changed some of their Hey, 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:52.680 enough for your son. Some finds my content somehow. 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:55.239 Look, I used TikTok. I was just out that wasn't 0:44:55.239 --> 0:44:59.040 out there. Try to jump in conversion. It's a it's 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:00.000 a hell of a conversion. 0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:02.200 Hey, I'm I'm open about it. 0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:17.440 I appreciate. Back to the Democratic Party, we talked about 0:45:17.440 --> 0:45:19.759 just that we're not aligning with them. They don't trust us. 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.120 I think we have thirty one favorability, fifty percent on 0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.240 favorability and by the way, thank you, thirty one percent 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:28.520 favorability is not good enough. So I mean, what back 0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:30.959 to back to just the basics. So you you talked 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.920 about wokeism broadly defined. We talked about some specific examples 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:37.480 of that. You you began on the transport, which is 0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.800 interesting and I respect and appreciate. 0:45:39.719 --> 0:45:40.920 Want you to speak out against that one. 0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:43.520 I appreciate what we just did of all of you. 0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:44.960 I mean, and I've been by the way I've been 0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:48.600 saying that so interesting gets picked up and that maybe 0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:52.520 goes to the question we live in these filter bubbles. 0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.640 We're talking to ourselves. We're in the sort of yeah, 0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:58.600 it's Newsmax one, American News, Fox, and then it gets 0:45:58.640 --> 0:46:00.480 into all the stuff that you guys are doing and 0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.880 everybody else, And meanwhile I'm safe over here at MSNBC 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:07.560 and CNN, reading the New York Times, feeling really great 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.399 about things and having a nice class of chardonnay, listen 0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.799 to Rachel matdow self medicating and just going yes, yes, 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.120 the press, laundry, the French that's of course the only 0:46:16.160 --> 0:46:18.560 place I eat. And you know, give me a great 0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:21.080 takeout in the whole thing where I should have been 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:23.480 at Applebee's. I get it, Applebee's America. I read that. 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.200 Come on, man in and out. 0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.600 And here's a guy who makes twenty five times more 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:31.480 money than I do and sitting here with it with 0:46:31.640 --> 0:46:33.200 a jacket, and I'm sitting here with it. 0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:36.040 And you control the fifth largest economy. 0:46:35.600 --> 0:46:37.880 On the planet. We don't control the people control the 0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:40.200 fifth largest economy. And by the way, proud that you 0:46:40.239 --> 0:46:45.160 know it's a three point Any population went last year, 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:46.640 A population went up last. 0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:48.080 Year because of the illegal border we'll talk about. 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.640 That's just factually and true. And that was, by the way, 0:46:53.080 --> 0:46:55.439 three hundred and ninety four National Guard that I put 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:57.960 down at the border six years ago. You should be 0:46:58.080 --> 0:47:01.120 championing that. As governor of three hundred ninety four. We 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.560 have down at the border. We've been focused on I've 0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:04.319 been breaking. 0:47:04.040 --> 0:47:06.360 Out anyway, You're you're getting somewhere compliments. 0:47:06.000 --> 0:47:07.680 Stay no, yeah, I was going back to. 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.920 You're talking about your your wining and dying at French laundry. 0:47:11.080 --> 0:47:16.840 Yes, I was talking about the importance of of of never. Well, 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:21.319 I can't help you with the reservation. I've been very nice. 0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.239 By the way. We couldn't have this conversation with that conversation. 0:47:24.719 --> 0:47:27.920 Dumbest bonehead, move my life, okay, own it, move on, 0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:28.680 grow up. 0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.319 And I'm trying that you talking to you to be 0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:32.080 talking to myself. 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.040 I'm just looking. I'm staring. I'm looking right you and 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.200 the eyes as I say that, just to get your 0:47:36.239 --> 0:47:41.360 reaction that said, we we are We're losing. We have 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:46.759 this I Field's asymmetry of Donald Trump and Elon Musk 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.640 and on tweets. Are you doing social media and for 0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:53.880 me doing a three minute hit at three o'clock in 0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:56.640 the afternoon on CNN, I mean, how the hell will 0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:57.160 we compete? 0:47:57.800 --> 0:48:00.839 We're toast well, I mean part of it. And credit 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:02.960 to you for doing long form podcasting, because long term 0:48:03.000 --> 0:48:07.160 podcasting does penetrate different audiences, right, and our show does 0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.760 very well. But part of the problem of the Democrat 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.000 Party that for the health of the country, would be 0:48:13.000 --> 0:48:16.080 great to change, is that Democrats cannot survive in long 0:48:16.120 --> 0:48:20.560 form podcasting environments. It's too unscripted. It's too masculine, honestly, 0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.080 and the Democrat parties because what. 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:24.400 I'm masculine about a podcast honestly, because I get the 0:48:24.440 --> 0:48:25.640 whole manosphere. 0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:27.880 That growth to go into the wilderness with no rules 0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.760 and duel it out and see who's better or who's strong. Seriously, 0:48:31.040 --> 0:48:33.800 I mean like getting I mean like we don't do it. 0:48:33.960 --> 0:48:35.600 You're right for whatever reason, don't do it. 0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:37.680 You can laugh. But like who in the Democrat Party 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:38.520 you're right? 0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:39.239 Will go? 0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.279 I mean maybe Bernie Sanders, but he only he was 0:48:42.320 --> 0:48:45.279 a Democrat, Bobby Who's now hhs. But like, there's something 0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:46.480 to be said that if you want to earn the 0:48:46.560 --> 0:48:50.360 respect of forgotten America, you have to show them that 0:48:50.520 --> 0:48:54.840 you can intellectually joust with no script no hardbreaks, no 0:48:55.000 --> 0:48:58.479 producers in the ears, no teleprompters. That's where new media 0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:00.799 is going now, Will I will only challenge one thing, 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:03.120 you say. I am reaching new audiences. I'm not talking 0:49:03.120 --> 0:49:06.960 to my bubble because our content is so appealing. It 0:49:07.120 --> 0:49:09.960 goes in a decentralized way. And it's not just political, 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.040 no it's not. But like again, our conversation here is 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:14.920 going to go far and wide right. A lot of 0:49:14.960 --> 0:49:16.520 people are going to see a lot of people are 0:49:16.560 --> 0:49:19.759 going to consume it because it's also politics entertainment have 0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:23.640 begun to overlap right right, And the old adage is 0:49:23.680 --> 0:49:26.600 while politics is downstream from culture, I think politics and 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:29.440 culture are indecipherable from one another. Now Donald Trump became 0:49:29.560 --> 0:49:33.680 a cultural phenomenon. Right. You go into you know, inner 0:49:33.719 --> 0:49:36.040 city Compton, you'll see guys with Trump shirts with you know, 0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.160 the hand up, you know, fight fight fight. So what 0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.760 democrats are doing is you're still playing in a very old, 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.920 hyper sanitized media environment. And my advice is you got 0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:48.640 to go where it's Unpredictablehere it's treacherous, where it's dangerous. Now, 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:52.040 I would make a more provocative argument that you wouldn't 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:55.279 necessarily resonate with, which is that that you guys have 0:49:55.480 --> 0:49:58.239 not You guys have not built the intellectual muscle over 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.920 thirty years because you all agree with each other all 0:50:00.960 --> 0:50:01.319 the time. 0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:05.759 Well, not like conservatives are or massively disagreeing this. I 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:08.919 Trump is completely collapsed on the conservative I would push 0:50:09.000 --> 0:50:11.360 back a little bit. I would disagree. We have a 0:50:11.960 --> 0:50:14.879 robust discussion. It seems like Congress is really doing great 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:17.719 oversight of Trump right now. They're just holding out. 0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:20.000 That's an important but separate issue. I just want to 0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:22.040 finish the point when we could talk about Congress, which 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:26.320 is that in the Republican Party we have immense and 0:50:26.520 --> 0:50:28.759 vocal and public spats all the time. I think you 0:50:28.760 --> 0:50:32.200 would agree we fight about form. Look at Ukraine, right, 0:50:32.680 --> 0:50:35.160 we're talking about primary challenging some of these senators that 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.759 were meeting Zelenski last week. The Democrat Party would never 0:50:37.880 --> 0:50:39.840 do that. Now, I think that is a symptom of 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:43.760 an underlying thing we are. We're constantly trying to find 0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:46.680 the approximation of what truth is. We're trying to use 0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:50.319 dialogue towards hey, who's right? What do you believe? Why 0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:52.960 do you believe it? And it's by no coincidence that 0:50:53.320 --> 0:50:56.839 out of the long form podcasting genres in the top ten, 0:50:57.040 --> 0:51:00.680 eight of them are conservatives, center right Rogan Megan Kelly, 0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:05.440 Theo Vaughn, The Paul Brothers Program, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh. 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:07.719 There's a singular one on the left, which is Pod 0:51:07.800 --> 0:51:10.400 Save America, which is just like a bunch of Obama 0:51:10.440 --> 0:51:12.959 bros agreeing with each other for ninety minutes and saying 0:51:13.520 --> 0:51:17.200 that we're not very smart and you know, and so anyway, But. 0:51:17.320 --> 0:51:20.200 I appreciate no, but it's an objective truth, right, I mean, 0:51:20.239 --> 0:51:24.040 you just dominate this media. It's medium, but so what 0:51:24.200 --> 0:51:27.000 I mean, But it's interesting you're making a deeper that 0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:30.920 we're not and you didn't say it again in in 0:51:30.960 --> 0:51:35.040 a maligning way, but that we're just not capable because 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:36.640 we're not why hardwired? 0:51:36.920 --> 0:51:39.120 Well, I think it's to be able to participate it. Well, 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.640 I think that it's two things. Number One, your upbringing 0:51:41.880 --> 0:51:44.440 in college campuses does not foster debate like it used to. 0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:48.320 It just doesn't. It's that it's about silencing the critic 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:51.239 and the elevation of the victim. So you do not 0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:55.280 have the practice of robust having to defend your position. 0:51:55.600 --> 0:51:59.120 It's very monolithic, it's very centralized, it's very top down. 0:51:59.160 --> 0:52:02.799 It's quasi of thought oritarian. And then secondly, I would 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:05.400 just say that the philosophy on the worldview, as I 0:52:05.480 --> 0:52:08.440 mentioned earlier that you guys have adopted is that THOU 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.640 which is oppressed will get the most points. You guys 0:52:11.680 --> 0:52:14.279 don't have Thou that has the best idea wins. And 0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:18.120 because of that, you guys have an elevation of like, hey, 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:19.960 we're going to eventually, we're just going to have a 0:52:20.080 --> 0:52:25.160 small subset of a minoritarian, hectoring, hall monitor, assistant principal 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:27.520 vibe of people telling you that you're not allowed to 0:52:27.560 --> 0:52:29.480 say these words and you can't say that, And we 0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:32.480 call that political correctness, which in and of itself is 0:52:33.040 --> 0:52:35.719 hyper authoritarians. So if you seek to understand why young 0:52:35.800 --> 0:52:38.680 men are rebelling, it's like, no, I'm not going to 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:41.040 go along with this anymore. Like maybe I'm going to say, 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:42.560 for an example, maybe I'm going to send out a 0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.680 stupid tweet when I'm seventeen years old. When I'm twenty six, 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:46.680 I shouldn't have to get fired. 0:52:46.719 --> 0:52:49.520 Be that right now. I've never liked this, Cancel Calle. 0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:51.160 I mean, I'm glad to hear you saying. I remember 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:53.759 back when I was a lieutenant governor. I think Bill 0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.719 Maher was trying to get on the UC campus or something. 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.080 They were saying Bill maher was too conservative voice, and 0:52:58.120 --> 0:53:00.239 we called that at the time it completed said, but 0:53:00.280 --> 0:53:04.560 it's equally insane that people are boycotting bud Light. I mean, 0:53:04.640 --> 0:53:05.560 how is that not culture? 0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:07.000 So I don't drink, but yeah, I mean. 0:53:06.960 --> 0:53:08.799 Like you don't drink at all. I mean, by the way, 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:12.120 I'm just that's interesting. You don't never have I have. Yeah, 0:53:12.520 --> 0:53:14.600 what happened a couple of years ago? You stopped what 0:53:14.680 --> 0:53:16.120 you were stopped? Why'd you stop? 0:53:16.360 --> 0:53:18.239 I just wanted to be more successful. 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:19.800 I love that. What were you drinking? 0:53:20.480 --> 0:53:22.239 Uh? Napa velly wine? 0:53:22.600 --> 0:53:24.920 Oh Jesus Christ, here we go. Right, are we going 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.879 to get a little My Lord forgive by the way, 0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:30.080 forgive me. I I deeply respect. And by the way, 0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:31.840 do you respect to drink? Observed? 0:53:31.920 --> 0:53:36.600 Like the fourth time? Come on, No, no, I don't drink. 0:53:36.680 --> 0:53:38.520 But yeah, look, but first of all, we have the 0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:41.040 agency to boycott whatever we want. But understand, but. 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.080 I mean in that cancel culture is reverse. I mean 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:44.200 a lot of cancel culture. 0:53:44.239 --> 0:53:46.600 Hold right, it's something completely different. First of all, cancel 0:53:46.600 --> 0:53:48.840 culture is someone in power using their power to cancel 0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:51.440 somebody that doesn't have power. That's cancel home time out, 0:53:51.480 --> 0:53:53.320 hold on bud Light was people that don't have a 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.880 lot of power, consumers using their agency to say no, 0:53:56.080 --> 0:53:58.680 powerful corporation, I'm not going to voluntarily associate with you. 0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.320 But cancel culture is always been the incumbent person with power, 0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.720 a governor, a principle, a boss, a CEO, a corporate board, 0:54:06.040 --> 0:54:08.440 going against the weaker. What we did with bud Light 0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:11.040 was just a bunch of decentralized folks doing a good 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:11.920 old fashioned boycott. 0:54:12.480 --> 0:54:15.920 Completely different, but boycott is not I mean, whether there's 0:54:15.960 --> 0:54:19.360 boycotting speakers, there's boycotting, that is a derivative. 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.600 But the culmination of cancel culture is somebody who has 0:54:22.680 --> 0:54:25.040 a power position wrongly canceling. 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:27.480 I appreciate that respect. So let's go back to Democrats 0:54:27.520 --> 0:54:31.359 being totally incompetent, incapable of spending thirty, let alone forty 0:54:31.400 --> 0:54:35.200 five to an hour, glad having a conversation broadly on podcasts. 0:54:35.320 --> 0:54:37.399 You're you're becoming the exception. 0:54:39.160 --> 0:54:40.759 In the process of becos. 0:54:40.960 --> 0:54:45.200 It's like becoming Gavin, It's like becoming Michelle's right coming. 0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.680 But so what I mean, who do you are the Democrats? 0:54:47.719 --> 0:54:47.880 You do? 0:54:48.080 --> 0:54:51.200 Forget literally any Democrats you admire out there right now? 0:54:52.719 --> 0:54:54.759 I mean even beyond just the podcast thing that you 0:54:54.840 --> 0:55:00.800 look in, say, Jesus, there's hope forgive me there. We 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:02.680 can edit that out. No, I don't care. You can 0:55:02.960 --> 0:55:03.279 keep it that. 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:06.879 I used to have respect for Bernie on his anti 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:08.520 war stance, and now he's a complete and was going 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:11.439 to he's a complete in neocon now, so he's he's 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:16.400 not there. Democrats, I respect you, Oh, Bobby Kennedy, I 0:55:16.480 --> 0:55:18.520 respect Tulsi Gabbard. 0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:20.080 Why are you laughing? 0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:23.120 Because the team now because you guys kicked out like 0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:25.799 your best people. It's like the people that were into 0:55:25.880 --> 0:55:28.320 This is a great point, though, Governor, is that Bobby 0:55:28.400 --> 0:55:30.759 Kennedy was a heterodox opinion on a thing that a 0:55:30.840 --> 0:55:32.480 lot of people are concerned about. Get him out. He's 0:55:32.480 --> 0:55:35.080 an anti vaxxer. Tulsi Gabbard, who is an anti wark, 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:36.960 Get her out. She's a Russian agent. If you, guys, 0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.560 see how you have an unhealthy purification process where eventually 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:43.040 you're left with just a thirty one percent approval rating 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.359 and a bunch of people that are talking to each other. 0:55:45.960 --> 0:55:48.760 And meanwhile, we're the ones that have Democrats in our cabinet, 0:55:49.000 --> 0:55:51.839 winning the electoral majority vote because there needs to be said, 0:55:51.840 --> 0:55:55.840 we're if Democrats are serious about being a majority party. 0:55:55.920 --> 0:55:58.920 Ever again, when somebody has a disagreement, for example, if 0:55:58.960 --> 0:56:01.160 there's a pro life Democrat, is there a place for 0:56:01.160 --> 0:56:02.840 a pro life Democrat and the Democrat Party, I. 0:56:02.880 --> 0:56:05.200 Mean there should be. Okay, that's on principle, there should that. 0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:07.760 That's a bit, that's a big thing we held personal 0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:09.320 point of view. God blessed, I agree. 0:56:09.480 --> 0:56:12.120 Not in every party or Democrat official would say that, right, 0:56:12.480 --> 0:56:15.000 and so certain states have different opinions on that, and. 0:56:15.080 --> 0:56:16.840 I say, this is one of the biggest champions. I 0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:18.560 got them on the planet. 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:21.239 Yeah, trust me, I know that, I know. But like 0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.279 the the issue though, is that that is like a 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:26.400 that is a one stop purity test, Like we have 0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:30.040 pro choice Republicans. That is a pro choice Republican. 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.000 No, and Trump himself decided to pivot a little bit. 0:56:33.719 --> 0:56:35.279 Pro choice than I am, like for sure. But what 0:56:35.320 --> 0:56:36.680 I'm saying though, is what you see in the Republican 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:39.440 Party is the best, in my opinion, culmination of modern 0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:43.240 politics and doesn't get appreciated. Look at that ideological diversity. 0:56:43.560 --> 0:56:45.520 We have people that you know, geez, they want to 0:56:45.520 --> 0:56:47.279 go to war with every country that says something bad 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:49.359 against us. And then we have people that are far 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.000 more dubvish, you know, like Rand Paul, but that that 0:56:52.160 --> 0:56:54.960 is a better more Dare I say diverse picture? You 0:56:54.960 --> 0:56:56.160 could say diversity is our strength. 0:56:56.640 --> 0:56:59.720 Oh, look at you, Look at Charlie Kirk. Diversity is strength. 0:57:00.000 --> 0:57:01.680 I mean I want to end the podcast right there. 0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:04.800 But first I said you could say you could I 0:57:04.880 --> 0:57:07.200 want to do we have ultimate editing here. 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:07.759 I'm going to know. 0:57:09.360 --> 0:57:11.600 We're not going to edit any of this. And and 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.879 by the way, uh uh, no reason to edit any 0:57:14.880 --> 0:57:19.120 of this despite my use of inappropriate words here and there. 0:57:32.160 --> 0:57:33.960 Let me ask you just on the on the Democratic 0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:36.400 Party side, forgive me. I do want to just look 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:41.400 where so our effort to get out of the wilderness, 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.760 you know, on the woe culture wars, on some of 0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:49.920 these issues, on providing a more diverse uh campus. Dare 0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:51.000 I say of opinion? 0:57:51.440 --> 0:57:51.560 Uh? 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:54.600 And pulling people in? But what what else do you? 0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:56.440 I mean do you feel this party? I mean, you 0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:58.680 be one point that the Republican Party is now going 0:57:58.760 --> 0:57:59.880 to be the dominant and send apart. 0:58:00.000 --> 0:58:01.120 I know I'm not saying you're rid. I don't I 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:02.680 don't have that kind of pride. I'm not saying. I'm 0:58:02.680 --> 0:58:05.360 saying right now we are the ascendant worldview. We could 0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:07.680 screw this up easily. It might be you have to 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:09.560 have the humility to say that. But like as of 0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:11.760 the recording of this podcast, we have a majority approve 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:13.120 we're winning w onon the electoral I mean all that. 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:15.480 Stuff, right any both houses. I mean, we could screw 0:58:15.480 --> 0:58:17.280 it up and you guys could adjust to adapt. Okay, 0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:19.560 So this is what this was my This was the 0:58:19.880 --> 0:58:23.160 question that I'm not articulating very effectively. But I remember 0:58:23.400 --> 0:58:25.720 so many of the similar contours of this conversation we 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.480 were having. In two thousand and four and two thousand 0:58:27.480 --> 0:58:30.600 and five, you just got Schelac both houses of Congress Republicans. 0:58:30.640 --> 0:58:32.919 You had a Republican president that won the popular vote, 0:58:32.960 --> 0:58:36.040 the last Republican president to win the popular vote, and 0:58:36.120 --> 0:58:39.439 two years later you had Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Four years 0:58:39.480 --> 0:58:41.480 later you had fifty three percent of the vote, the 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:42.800 highest since nineteen one. 0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:47.240 I don't say that's impossible. 0:58:47.360 --> 0:58:51.120 So so what if if you were in my camp, 0:58:52.280 --> 0:58:53.240 what is not going to give you. 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.200 My best advice? I'll give you. I'll give you like 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:56.120 the B or C level. 0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.080 Okay, give me, give me the B plus. 0:58:58.080 --> 0:58:59.400 Because the secret stuff I'm not sure. 0:58:59.440 --> 0:59:02.240 No, when you got what is your secret stuff there? 0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:02.880 That's secret for it? 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:04.320 Is it? Is it technical? Or is it? 0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:06.840 It's all that I can design your presidential run in 0:59:06.880 --> 0:59:07.560 a way and we're. 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:11.520 This is not no, you got by the way. You 0:59:11.600 --> 0:59:14.680 guys are so obsessed with the idea that every goddamn 0:59:14.720 --> 0:59:17.200 thing I do. I said it again. Yeah, I said 0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:20.320 it again because I needed your emotional reaction that everything 0:59:20.520 --> 0:59:24.360 I do has is framed in that context. It's it's 0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.040 a talk about you can trump derangement syndrome. I think 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:28.800 you got one with No. With California. 0:59:29.480 --> 0:59:31.520 First of all, it's not it's not new to have 0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:33.400 someone from California to run for the presidency. We just 0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:37.080 beat someone from California presidency. California is California is to 0:59:37.160 --> 0:59:39.320 politics to the Democrat Party as Florida, it's our party. 0:59:39.400 --> 0:59:41.520 You guys have the speaker that the former Speaker of 0:59:41.520 --> 0:59:44.360 the House, Nancy Pelosi, right, you have you have a 0:59:44.400 --> 0:59:46.320 lot of the ascendent political voices come out of the state. 0:59:46.360 --> 0:59:49.160 So it's not derangement syndrome. It's no, it's knowing your 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.600 enemy and looking at the horizon and understand what's coming. 0:59:51.680 --> 0:59:54.720 But anyway, if I were to give you or B 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:56.480 and C level stuff, it just gets if you have 0:59:56.600 --> 0:59:58.280 to go to war with your own party on three 0:59:58.400 --> 1:00:00.640 major things, you got to say we are not going 1:00:00.680 --> 1:00:03.360 to do this illegal immigration thing anymore, which includes like 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:04.640 are you going to work with ICE? 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:07.960 We do work with us. So let me by the way, 1:00:07.960 --> 1:00:10.480 I want to make sure people do this. We we 1:00:10.720 --> 1:00:14.280 have been I in fact directly we actually put out 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:17.640 the data. I was actually reached out to the administration. 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:20.760 So are you not aware that California coordinates and cooperates 1:00:20.960 --> 1:00:24.800 with all CDCR releases over ten thousand? Explain the state 1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:30.400 you got the state wide sanctuary state and yeah, which 1:00:30.640 --> 1:00:33.280 in the state wide framework allows us to work as 1:00:33.280 --> 1:00:37.440 it relates to issues of criminals and coordinating the release 1:00:37.600 --> 1:00:40.280 of criminals from our federal or from our state prison 1:00:40.360 --> 1:00:45.320 populate prison system. We coordinate with ICE on the deportation. 1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:48.720 We've done that over ten thousand times since I've been governor. 1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:53.960 We're not denying access, we're not denying coordination. I'm glad 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.440 to criminal That's why for criminals sanctuary, Well, I mean 1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:57.560 it was never would. 1:00:57.360 --> 1:00:59.160 I would say, if you break into the country illegally 1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:01.760 in eight USD thirteen twenty five, is of breaking. 1:01:01.520 --> 1:01:03.520 Up I get all right, civil not criminal, but it 1:01:03.640 --> 1:01:04.760 is a federal lot. But I get it. 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:06.200 So what I'm saying, So, by the way, if if 1:01:06.200 --> 1:01:08.520 you're serious about moditating the party eight USC one third, 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:10.160 three two five vast majority Americans. 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:10.960 So we're gonna just go through. 1:01:11.040 --> 1:01:11.640 No, No, I can Jordan. 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:14.760 Americans want mass deportations. It's just the thing until until 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:17.040 they don't. Well, okay, that's my humble opinion, until they 1:01:17.040 --> 1:01:20.680 don't okay, ten years. You might be right in taxes, 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:22.400 I don't buy it. You might well, but at the 1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:23.360 moment you're right. 1:01:23.280 --> 1:01:25.560 You might be right. The number bardo, we'll see number two. 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:27.680 We mentioned the Trands stuff. It's in affront all of 1:01:27.720 --> 1:01:30.040 our senses. It's out of control. You. 1:01:30.280 --> 1:01:32.520 I don't believe it in a fundamental it's not just sports, 1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:33.640 it's not stole. You just don't. 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:36.720 I mean, get back to Charlie Kirk's US are separate 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:38.600 than the political advice. Again, but if you'd like me 1:01:38.640 --> 1:01:40.320 to should do a whole No, I get it, Charlie 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:41.760 Kirk asked me, anything, and you could show up to 1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:42.280 cal State North. 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:45.200 I've already got twenty five, by the way, talks of 1:01:45.600 --> 1:01:47.880 what your feelings are. So actually that was a question, 1:01:48.320 --> 1:01:49.240 a question I didn't need to know. 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:50.800 If you want it, it's fine. I just don't think 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:52.160 that's the best use of that time. But on the 1:01:52.200 --> 1:01:56.200 political advice is that Americans increasingly believe that their good 1:01:56.320 --> 1:02:01.360 heartedness and charitable nature towards the LGBT issue has overblown, 1:02:01.480 --> 1:02:04.760 especially with youth sports, youth curriculum, and the chemical castration 1:02:04.840 --> 1:02:06.919 of our kids. When it comes to this medical arity, 1:02:07.280 --> 1:02:09.680 and you seem that you want to really I encourage you, 1:02:09.680 --> 1:02:11.800 governor to learn about some of the butchery under the 1:02:11.840 --> 1:02:14.680 guys of healthcare that is happening under chemical castration in 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:16.720 this state and in other states. We don't spend a 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:18.160 lot of time on that, but the American people are 1:02:18.160 --> 1:02:20.480 overwhelmingly against it. They're overwhelming against it. 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:23.720 No, I think we have to be more sensitized to 1:02:24.720 --> 1:02:25.640 that youth. 1:02:25.520 --> 1:02:27.840 Should be off limits. I think that's that's the political 1:02:27.880 --> 1:02:30.560 direction things are going. You might be right on deportations. 1:02:30.640 --> 1:02:32.920 I know I'm right on this. I know that this 1:02:33.040 --> 1:02:35.120 is this issue is picking up steam there is no 1:02:35.200 --> 1:02:37.840 good counter to it. The CAST Report, the United Kingdom 1:02:37.880 --> 1:02:40.120 Cast Report, the NHS came out and said there's no 1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:43.080 good reason to ever operate surgically on a young person. 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:45.080 You can pre have the problem. Puberty is a solution. 1:02:45.200 --> 1:02:48.760 I think, I encourage, but I appreciate you, but I'm 1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:52.480 saying politically, it's a super turbocharged issue that is kicking 1:02:52.520 --> 1:02:54.280 the tail of Democrats. The third one that is quality 1:02:54.320 --> 1:02:56.200 of life is quality of life. I agree with you 1:02:56.280 --> 1:02:58.000 on this one especially, but like I mean, look, no, 1:02:58.440 --> 1:02:58.640 I know. 1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.280 Out of control, unacceptable. 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:04.960 Issues of just you know where I'm going with this. 1:03:05.160 --> 1:03:06.600 Why is it you were able to clean it up 1:03:06.600 --> 1:03:08.240 for gigiping guys. 1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:10.360 That was the dunest thing I've ever by the way, 1:03:10.440 --> 1:03:12.840 you guys weaponized that. I saw them in twenty five things. 1:03:13.320 --> 1:03:16.080 The thing that was that was, you know what, I 1:03:16.160 --> 1:03:20.080 will happily, happily revert back to your can I at 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:24.520 as weaponized in this case weaponized? Can in this case 1:03:24.560 --> 1:03:25.400 can I weapon. 1:03:25.240 --> 1:03:28.240 I guess itulous give me a point, but governed me 1:03:28.480 --> 1:03:30.520 with all due respect. I saw a beautiful picture of 1:03:30.560 --> 1:03:32.480 San Francisco that looked like Singapore, by the way, and 1:03:32.520 --> 1:03:34.840 then leaves and the walking Dead come down. 1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:36.760 By the way, it was I pack you had dozens 1:03:36.800 --> 1:03:40.720 and dozens of foreign leaders in California is not San Francisco. 1:03:40.840 --> 1:03:43.200 But I am the governor of California, the mayor of California. 1:03:43.200 --> 1:03:44.640 You want the mayor you ever were the mayor, But 1:03:44.680 --> 1:03:47.840 I just want to say that, But you have to 1:03:47.840 --> 1:03:50.600 admit there's it's emblematic as something that if enough important 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:52.560 people show up, it can get clean. So why not 1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:53.480 make it clean all the time? 1:03:53.560 --> 1:03:55.800 That's exactly, by the way, that's my energy. I think 1:03:55.840 --> 1:03:58.200 you've missed a lot of my press conferences. I've been 1:03:58.240 --> 1:04:00.720 saying that to all these mayors. But the state vision 1:04:00.800 --> 1:04:04.120 is realized at the look at the level, it's about accountability, transparency. 1:04:04.200 --> 1:04:06.000 If you can't clean up the streets, we're going to 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:09.320 redirect the money. He seems to be more moderating. The 1:04:09.400 --> 1:04:11.760 progress is being made. By the way, what's going on 1:04:11.960 --> 1:04:14.040 with homelessness and all these red states. You're seeing it 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:17.440 through the roof eighteen the country. I'm not here defending 1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:20.080 every red state, but I'm making the point. This is 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:23.160 I'm sure there's a lot of daughters in a Quali. 1:04:23.200 --> 1:04:25.200 Life's huge, right, Yeah, And then like, look the number 1:04:25.240 --> 1:04:26.640 one thing, which I know you're gonna agree with, and 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:29.080 I'm sure you'll have a super slick response, right, that's 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:32.480 that's about half true, but which is a three quarter 1:04:32.600 --> 1:04:35.000 the cost of housing average home in California here her 1:04:35.040 --> 1:04:37.120 fifty thousand bucks. I like what you said about black 1:04:37.240 --> 1:04:39.920 Rock So yeah, I mean I but that was interesting 1:04:40.000 --> 1:04:41.000 to me. I think that is. 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:43.320 But again, that's not a majority of house purchasing. About 1:04:43.320 --> 1:04:46.080 one in four houses bought by private equity. Would you 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:47.960 agree to say that black Rocks should not be able 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:48.880 to own homes in California? 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:50.760 I think, and then turning around and rent it. 1:04:50.840 --> 1:04:51.360 It's insane. 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:53.000 This is a huge problem. 1:04:53.040 --> 1:04:55.240 You just to post a bill in the California state. 1:04:55.480 --> 1:04:57.720 We've had one and didn't get very far last year, 1:04:57.800 --> 1:04:58.960 and there's more conversations. 1:04:59.000 --> 1:05:00.960 Right, tennillion dollars fund shouldn't be able to come in. 1:05:00.960 --> 1:05:06.640 It's not just black Rocks specifically, mass mass asset managers 1:05:06.680 --> 1:05:08.960 that have a billion dollars fifty billion dollars ascent our 1:05:09.040 --> 1:05:12.920 management are now competing against our college grad from by 1:05:12.960 --> 1:05:14.120 the way, cal State Fullerton. 1:05:14.320 --> 1:05:16.040 I lovely you say this, by the way, just in 1:05:16.120 --> 1:05:18.320 that spirit don't you agree. One of the dough things 1:05:18.320 --> 1:05:19.919 should be dealing with the one and a half billion 1:05:19.960 --> 1:05:21.640 dollars of subsidies on carried interest. 1:05:22.000 --> 1:05:23.959 Oh, I carried interest. I think it's a huge problem. 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:25.760 And by the way, you know President Trump has proposed 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:26.520 in his tax building. 1:05:26.560 --> 1:05:29.600 Everybody proposes it all the time, but in actually, I mean. 1:05:29.640 --> 1:05:31.600 Joe Biden, get rid of carried interest. That is the 1:05:31.760 --> 1:05:36.120 holy rail of private equity. You know that, right, carried interest. 1:05:36.240 --> 1:05:37.120 I mean, I get it. 1:05:37.200 --> 1:05:38.080 But let's go back to hide. 1:05:38.160 --> 1:05:40.080 By the way, you're gonna have a revolt in Palo 1:05:40.160 --> 1:05:43.320 Alto if you get rid of carried interests. Yeah, they're 1:05:43.360 --> 1:05:47.640 going to light torches and like run to Sacramento. 1:05:47.920 --> 1:05:49.640 On the issue of housing, you couldn't be more right. 1:05:49.680 --> 1:05:52.520 It's the original sin in the state of California, affordability period, 1:05:52.560 --> 1:05:55.120 full stop. And it has more more impact on the 1:05:55.200 --> 1:05:57.680 issue of homelessness than any other issue because of the 1:05:57.760 --> 1:05:59.760 cost of living. By the way, we had one hundred 1:05:59.760 --> 1:06:02.440 and eighty thousand people in two thousand and five, twenty 1:06:02.560 --> 1:06:07.720 years ago on the streets and homeless and our point 1:06:07.760 --> 1:06:11.800 in time count so this is hardly unique to moderate California. Help. 1:06:12.080 --> 1:06:14.560 It's been a long term issue and housing is at 1:06:14.560 --> 1:06:14.840 the court. 1:06:15.120 --> 1:06:17.720 We ran the problem. But here, help me understand this. 1:06:18.040 --> 1:06:20.000 You guys control the House, the Senate with suit majorities. 1:06:20.040 --> 1:06:22.480 You control everything. Why can't you fix it? You said 1:06:22.520 --> 1:06:23.920 you were going to build three and a half million homes. 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:25.240 You're building like one hundred and eleven five O. 1:06:25.320 --> 1:06:28.960 There is something called a pandemic that may have had 1:06:28.960 --> 1:06:31.360 a little impact. Issues of interest rates may have had 1:06:31.360 --> 1:06:33.400 a little impact. And housing production guys. 1:06:33.200 --> 1:06:35.560 Are outpacing every other So hold on, hold on. 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:39.880 Except forty two secre reform bills created a housing accountability. 1:06:40.000 --> 1:06:40.440 Has it work? 1:06:40.480 --> 1:06:43.360 And we're making We're making big progress. We've done all 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:47.040 that zoning. We've been pounding in this space. There's no 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:50.520 administration in modern California history that's done more to reform 1:06:50.600 --> 1:06:53.240 the housing space and the regulatory space as it relates 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:55.800 to the issue of housing. The biggest challenge right now 1:06:55.880 --> 1:06:58.880 is nimbism. The biggest challenge we have is local planning 1:06:58.960 --> 1:07:01.160 and zoning. And that's why we've been very grippy. Is 1:07:01.160 --> 1:07:03.680 a disaster that I mean, and so I have a 1:07:03.760 --> 1:07:06.080 Ymbi mindset on all this stuff. I'm in the front 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:08.520 lines of this. Your friends. They are your friends down 1:07:08.560 --> 1:07:12.320 in Huntington Beach that I'm suing. Their conservators are the 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:14.000 whole city council, whole day. They love you. 1:07:14.120 --> 1:07:17.960 They literally the MAGA ninety nine point ninety living and 1:07:17.960 --> 1:07:20.000 who's had I'm one of the one all of your towns. 1:07:20.200 --> 1:07:23.640 We're suing them because of their rank, nimbiism. We have 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:26.440 been very aggressive in this space. I'm waiting for one 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:28.040 big thing we all are waiting for, and I think 1:07:28.080 --> 1:07:30.320 it had the biggest, perhaps one of the biggest impacts 1:07:30.320 --> 1:07:32.480 that we don't focus on enough. In the last election, 1:07:32.520 --> 1:07:35.120 I was insure interest rates as interest rates. 1:07:35.960 --> 1:07:36.720 I believe there wasn't. 1:07:36.800 --> 1:07:39.360 And you're going to see an explosion of housing production. 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:41.120 I'm very confident in that in California. 1:07:41.200 --> 1:07:43.520 Yeah, but you also might see an increase in housing prices. 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.880 Of course. Well it's to me, it's it's all to supply, 1:07:46.000 --> 1:07:47.840 right ek one on one, supply them. Yeah, it's just 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:50.480 the biggest issue in our biggest California Hawaii have the 1:07:50.480 --> 1:07:52.880 two highest housing prices in the country. Hawaii has an 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:54.920 obvious excuse they only have so much land. No, you 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:55.960 guys don't have a lack of one. 1:07:55.960 --> 1:07:58.640 By the way, I haven't been governor for a century, Okay, 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:01.680 I mean Jesus, I mean whole hold on. But six years. 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:03.440 And by the way, no excuse, I get it. You 1:08:03.480 --> 1:08:05.760 can't take credit from all the outsets. You know, number 1:08:05.760 --> 1:08:09.120 one AI, number one nanotechnology AI is. But you also 1:08:09.200 --> 1:08:10.480 got to take responsive for. 1:08:10.520 --> 1:08:12.560 Some of the more more novel I take a little 1:08:12.560 --> 1:08:15.480 more credit of the generative. Yeah, thirty time to. 1:08:15.480 --> 1:08:18.599 Balance both both the credit and the and the blame. 1:08:18.640 --> 1:08:21.080 But I appreciate but quality of life, right, so we 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:23.479 So when I talked to a college kid, one of 1:08:23.520 --> 1:08:26.080 the reasons they saw Trump as a vessel for a 1:08:26.160 --> 1:08:29.760 better life is that under President Trump those first four years, 1:08:30.280 --> 1:08:35.200 we saw a material increase in their livelihood, wages, easier 1:08:35.240 --> 1:08:37.280 to buy a home four years, four years, Like just 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:39.960 the facts are the average wage to be able to 1:08:40.040 --> 1:08:42.000 own a home in LA to be able to own 1:08:42.040 --> 1:08:44.479 a home, Oh yeah, it used to be eight seventy 1:08:44.520 --> 1:08:46.080 five thousand dollars years. Now it's one hundred and forty 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:48.400 five thousand dollars a year. So I mean what it does, 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:51.799 and this is again, it's creating this kind of belief 1:08:51.880 --> 1:08:54.400 system of Russian serfs of a generation that will never 1:08:54.520 --> 1:08:57.240 have the material American dream that their parents once enjoy it. 1:08:57.320 --> 1:08:58.640 Yeah. No, And I look and I think it's a 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:02.560 full circle on this conversation where you began by identifying 1:09:02.680 --> 1:09:05.200 circle back. No, but it's a point. But the point 1:09:05.240 --> 1:09:07.400 you're making, Scott Galloway and others have been making as 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:10.240 it relates to this generation. Yes, he's spot on on this, 1:09:10.360 --> 1:09:12.960 and I think there's there's so much validity to and 1:09:13.080 --> 1:09:15.919 you recognizing that problem and how one it's a diagnosing. 1:09:15.960 --> 1:09:16.360 It's one thing. 1:09:16.400 --> 1:09:18.640 But and President Trump as well, he deserves credit. And 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:22.040 I mean I think, yeah, he's he's there's I mean, 1:09:23.040 --> 1:09:24.439 I'm going to get you to say the words. 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:28.160 By the way, I just spent almost ninety minutes with 1:09:28.240 --> 1:09:29.840 him in the Oval office a couple of weeks ago. 1:09:29.880 --> 1:09:30.639 Isn't he the greatest? 1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:32.559 And you know, I think it was the first Democrat 1:09:32.640 --> 1:09:33.120 invited in. 1:09:33.400 --> 1:09:36.040 And Trump too got to admit, there's so magical that 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:38.800 guy Joe Biden couldn't do five minutes. 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:41.439 By the way, I did almost ninety minutes with Biden 1:09:41.520 --> 1:09:43.360 right before he left in the Oval that I remember. 1:09:43.400 --> 1:09:44.679 By the way, that'd be a hell of a book. 1:09:45.640 --> 1:09:47.400 One hundred and eighty minutes I should do a book 1:09:47.400 --> 1:09:51.160 of the two. That book mark, by the way, percent 1:09:51.320 --> 1:09:53.040 was Oh, come on, god, just a fact. 1:09:53.120 --> 1:09:54.920 It's it's just you could do you think there was 1:09:54.920 --> 1:09:57.759 any mental there's okay, no, no, seriously, you went around 1:09:57.800 --> 1:09:59.920 the country being like, he's I'll take him at one hundred. 1:10:00.000 --> 1:10:03.439 There was one exception and I and the debate that no, no, no. 1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:05.760 Before the debate, I was about to say uh. And 1:10:05.880 --> 1:10:07.880 that was the big fundraiser down in LA where I 1:10:08.080 --> 1:10:11.880 saw a different the Clooney and Clooney called Jack black right, 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:15.400 But it was not that was but you know, so 1:10:15.520 --> 1:10:17.160 much of that focus was all right, he just got 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:19.720 back from Europe. But that was the one one time 1:10:19.920 --> 1:10:20.600 we don't need to get it. 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:22.840 But I'm not sure, but I just say, Governor, I'm 1:10:22.920 --> 1:10:25.040 just on that one topic we saw with our own 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:27.240 eyes for three years and the media told us no, no, 1:10:27.320 --> 1:10:29.519 he's perfectly fine. Yeah, And then we saw the debate, 1:10:29.600 --> 1:10:33.000 and look, it makes us not trust our leaders when 1:10:33.040 --> 1:10:35.599 we say everyone is perfectly fine. It's the empers five. 1:10:35.640 --> 1:10:37.679 Are you seeing any mental decline in Donald Trump? 1:10:37.760 --> 1:10:39.760 Right now? I see the more sharp aque. Do you 1:10:39.840 --> 1:10:41.400 tell me you sat with them in the Oval office 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:43.479 for ninety minutes. The guy has a memory. 1:10:44.040 --> 1:10:46.280 I'm asking. I mean, I know, I'm just I'm just asking, 1:10:46.360 --> 1:10:48.680 you know, I think he's how often do you talk 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:49.280 talk to Trump? 1:10:49.280 --> 1:10:50.400 By the way, once or twice a week? 1:10:51.200 --> 1:10:53.840 Is he checking for advice ors you you give him too? 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:55.479 It depends if there's something I want to talk to 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:57.439 him about. But I mean, he's just the machine. He'll 1:10:57.479 --> 1:10:59.360 take every call. You gotta give him credit and amazing. 1:10:59.520 --> 1:11:02.160 He'll take every cold thing's big, right, It's amazing. And 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:04.680 he'll listen to every idea. He'll joust it out, he'll 1:11:04.720 --> 1:11:06.800 talk about it. He always goes back to what I 1:11:06.960 --> 1:11:07.639 promised the voters. 1:11:07.840 --> 1:11:09.320 What was the last idea? You gave him? 1:11:10.080 --> 1:11:10.880 The last idea? 1:11:11.080 --> 1:11:14.040 Always like, mister President, here's here's what you need, or 1:11:14.120 --> 1:11:15.280 here's the thought. I'm sad. 1:11:15.880 --> 1:11:18.280 Actually it was interesting. I said, I don't think Canada 1:11:18.320 --> 1:11:20.680 should be the fifty first date. We already have California, 1:11:20.680 --> 1:11:22.720 and we have enough libs in our country. Jesus on 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:26.040 that Charlie Kirk shall not take the Lord's name in 1:11:26.120 --> 1:11:26.680 vain No. 1:11:26.880 --> 1:11:29.360 On that that. I thank you. 1:11:29.520 --> 1:11:30.479 This was new. 1:11:30.760 --> 1:11:36.479 This has been Gavin Newsom for uh think this was fun. 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:37.040 Thanks man