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Speaker 1: This is Gavin Newsom and this is Charlie Kirk. By

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Speaker 1: the way, what brings you to California? Your favorite state?

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Speaker 2: It is this thing's falling. It is my favorite state

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Speaker 2: in the Union. You're doing such a great job here.

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Speaker 2: By the way, No, I'm honored to be on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And you were just down at USC.

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Speaker 2: I was at USC yesterday, drew a big crowd. By

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Speaker 1: I knew you were at USC early because my niece,

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Speaker 2: She was going with the Maga hat on.

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Speaker 1: She was by the way, I do have to watch,

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Speaker 1: but she was down there and she was like, she said,

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Speaker 1: I'm aware, she said, this crowd's crazy. He said. She

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Speaker 1: said she had and the only reason said she would

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Speaker 1: have said it perhaps otherwise, but she knew you were

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Speaker 1: coming on the worst part though, Charlie no bes true story.

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Speaker 1: Literally last night, trying to put my son to bed,

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Speaker 1: is Charlie going to be here? What time? And I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 1: you're in school. Tomorrow's thirteen. He's like, no, no, no, this

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Speaker 1: this morning wakes up it sixs up. Then he's like,

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Speaker 1: I'm coming. I'm like, he literally would not leave the house.

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Speaker 2: Did you let him to take off school?

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Speaker 1: No? He did, of course not. He's not here for

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Speaker 2: Canceled school for like two years on.

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Speaker 1: The point is the point, which is you are making

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Speaker 2: I'm kidding, no, but I know, and I but.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I mean, it's the reason you're here

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Speaker 1: because I think people need to understand your success, your influence,

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Speaker 1: what you've been up to, and the fact that you're

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Speaker 1: on these college campus stores. And to your point, then

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Speaker 1: you just open up. I mean you're like, ask me.

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Speaker 2: Anything anything, Challenge me, challenge me whatever.

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Speaker 1: When did this whole thing? When did you start putting

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Speaker 2: I've been at this for thirteen years and it's been

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Speaker 2: a wild movement, really accelerated once President Trump kind of

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Speaker 2: We had a goal, could we move the youth vote

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Speaker 2: ten points over ten years? And when it was.

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Speaker 1: It literally you sat down and put that new miracle.

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Speaker 2: Together, like, can we move at ten points over ten

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Speaker 2: and we you know, we did this alongside President Trump

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Speaker 2: fault lines there, and to President Trump's credit, he also

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, we did it in four years,

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Speaker 1: And we'll go get to that, and I sincerely get

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Speaker 1: to that because I want, you know, I want to

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Speaker 1: to the reality of our party and where we are today. Yeah, Visa,

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Speaker 1: you you're ascendency, not just individually as an organization, But

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Speaker 1: where was that sort of moment for you? Because it's interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're such a young guy. So it's not

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Speaker 2: I've always been conservative, obviously grown in that over the

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Speaker 2: in their politics, which was an ascendant rebel attitude against

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Speaker 1: It's interesting, So what would you keep saying we, which

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Speaker 1: is interesting, and that's the organization that you created to yes.

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Speaker 2: We would be like conservative movement. Maga, But yes, I

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Speaker 1: But you were at this even before then, correct, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So when did you when did you decide to sort

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Speaker 2: I mean, like the biography has been written about a

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Speaker 1: College campuses as sort of the underbelly of the opportunity

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Speaker 1: or is it just more just experiential in terms of

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you have a sitting population about twenty

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Speaker 2: And also again you'd nowhere to go about up. I

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Speaker 2: to reckon with of which I see no signs that

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Speaker 2: actually Kamala Harris did three points better with baby boomers

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Speaker 1: And remind us what Joe Biden did in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: So that goes back then, I mean to your point.

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Speaker 1: In order to do that, you've got to stand for something,

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Speaker 1: And would you do say I'm available and you started

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Speaker 2: No, it was even more scrappy. I would literally show

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Speaker 1: just just I mean just you can you can say

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Speaker 2: I mean, at the most charitable reading, it could be confidence.

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Speaker 2: It also just be that I wanted to try and

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Speaker 2: good and to kind of draw stress tests.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, ten x better than you were in twenty twelve

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Speaker 2: We were modeling off of some of the ballot chasing

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Speaker 2: ballot harvesting practices of the left. But I mean there's

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Speaker 2: again that's a self limiting principle. You can't ballot chase

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Speaker 2: if no one wants to vote for you. So, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you could have the best organizers in the world and

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Speaker 2: you have two thousand people chasing ballots in Arizona and

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Speaker 2: you're runn Kamala Harris in Arizona. You actually was. And

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Speaker 2: what we ended up tracking through our data is that

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Speaker 2: the Democrats were chasing for us, is that they were

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Speaker 2: chasing low propensity Hispanics, thinking that they were all for

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Speaker 2: Kamala And in fact, we were looking at the precinct

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Speaker 2: numbers of areas we didn't hit that moved like twenty

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Speaker 2: points in Trump's direction. We're like, well, thank you very much,

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Speaker 2: ca a campaign for getting out and chasing our ballots.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for all this, these Hispanic men that

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Speaker 2: are mechanics, we appreciate it. Thanks for making sure that

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Speaker 2: we also won Dave McCormick's Senate seat, right right, So again,

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Speaker 2: chasing is only one part of the like, Democrats, of course,

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Speaker 2: are better organizers than us. I mean, it's in your blood.

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama is a community organizer. We make fun of it.

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Speaker 2: It's who you guys are. You guys have labor as

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Speaker 2: a backbone, clipboard and tennis shoes.

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Speaker 1: However, labor less and less we can talk about for.

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Speaker 2: Sure and moment. Yeah, but what we always felt that

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Speaker 2: we had as we felt we had better ideas and

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Speaker 2: a better message and all that the idea was, can

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Speaker 2: we combo a little bit of organizing practices with a

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Speaker 2: mass movement, which is how you get a national popular

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Speaker 2: vote victory and an overwhelming electoral landslide.

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Speaker 1: And so what do you see just? I mean I

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Speaker 1: sort of talked about the flatness of the surrounding terrain,

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Speaker 1: meaning the Democratic parties party in some respect as it

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Speaker 1: relates to appreciate your point about organizing, but also corrosion

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Speaker 1: versus you know, sort of forcing people to vote versus

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Speaker 1: an enthusiasm and a desired actually proactively.

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Speaker 2: That actually that has a backfiring effective.

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Speaker 1: I totally I appreciate that. And so what what do

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Speaker 1: you see right now? I mean, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you talked about it the other day. A lot of

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Speaker 1: folks were talking about that Carvil article where he talked

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Speaker 1: about over rollover in SNCA.

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Speaker 2: I think it was a strategic.

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Speaker 1: Retreat, right that we need to come back. Trump's starting

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Speaker 1: to plode a numbers are getting soft, and this was

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Speaker 1: even before the tariff issues et cetera, and then come

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Speaker 1: back and strike when hot, and I immediately nobody else

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Speaker 1: thought about you, who's just twenty four to seven flooding

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Speaker 1: the zone. Back to my thirteen year old owning this

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Speaker 1: space every day, getting a convert every day, picking up

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Speaker 1: one to ten thousand folks, continuing the momentum coming out

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Speaker 1: of this damn election. And then I'm thinking about, we're

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Speaker 1: going to stand back and watch you run circles around

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Speaker 1: us for six months, the next two or three years,

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Speaker 1: waiting for the moment to finally strike. Strike struck me

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Speaker 1: as not necessarily the best advice. And it's not a

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Speaker 1: knock on Carvil, who I have deep respect for.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, so I don't have to he was He's

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Speaker 2: right about one thing in the last forty years. It's

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Speaker 2: economy stupid, and boys, he spent that He spent down

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Speaker 2: that one line pretty amazingly. But yeah, look, I'll say,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to make this about Carville, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I hope you guys retreat you kind of like that

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Speaker 2: for us. I mean, if there's no opposition, there's no

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Speaker 2: arctivist activist spark, if like you guys are posting these

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Speaker 2: cringe videos on social media are the ones I don't

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Speaker 2: know this like har harmonious thing of like twenty two

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Speaker 2: senators all saying the same thing like that, Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: didn't like it. What do you go ahead, go do

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Speaker 2: more of that? What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: But what do you do? Seriously, Charlie Kirk, give us

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Speaker 1: some of.

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Speaker 2: The better ideas governor, Like for example, I mean, like

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Speaker 2: if you want to, like, you have an opportunity to, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, run to the middle and see this man's

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Speaker 2: obviously you're talking to me about people, So like you

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Speaker 2: right now should come out and be like, you know what,

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Speaker 2: the young man who's about to win the state championship

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Speaker 2: in the long jump in female sports, that's that that

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Speaker 2: shouldn't happen. You as the governor should step out and

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Speaker 2: say no, no, And I appreciate and but like, would

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Speaker 2: you do something like that? Would you say no men

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Speaker 2: in female sports?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's I think it's an issue of fairness. I

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Speaker 1: completely agree with you on that. It is an issue affairs.

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Speaker 2: So it's deeply would you speak out against this young man,

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Speaker 2: baby Hernandez, who right now is going to win the

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Speaker 2: state championship in the long time, I can see you

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Speaker 2: wrestling with it.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not relaction with the fairness issue.

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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. By the way, as someone

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Speaker 1: with four kids, you got to think two daughters, right,

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Speaker 1: two daughters and a wife that went God forbid to Stanford,

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Speaker 1: played on the junior national soccer team, and a guy

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Speaker 1: who got into college only because I was left handed

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Speaker 1: and could throw baseball a little bit or hit the

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Speaker 1: ball for a little bit. So I revere sports, and

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Speaker 1: so the issue of fairness is completely legit. And I

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Speaker 1: saw that the last couple of years. Boy did I

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Speaker 1: saw how you guys were able to weaponize that.

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Speaker 2: Issue at another weaponize Don't that's that's.

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Speaker 1: Webinized, maybe Pajordan of You're right, but you were able

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Speaker 1: to shine a light on highlight it in a way

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Speaker 1: that frankly, there are not that many we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: I think two, five hundred and ten thousand. No, No,

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Speaker 1: but I just didn't realize.

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Speaker 2: It's eight hundred ninety medals in trophies that we know

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Speaker 2: of in the last five years. That's a lot.

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Speaker 1: No. So I'm gonna let me step back saympletely fair

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Speaker 1: on the issue of fairness. I completely agree. So that's

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Speaker 1: easy to call out the unfairness of that. There's also

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Speaker 1: a humility and a grace. You know that that these

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Speaker 1: poor people are more likely to commit suicide, have anxiety

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Speaker 1: and depression, and the way that people talk down to

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Speaker 1: vulnerable communities is an issue that I have a hard

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Speaker 1: time with as well. So both things I can hold

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Speaker 1: in my hand. How can we address this issue with

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Speaker 1: the kind of decency that I think you know it's

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Speaker 1: inherent in you, but not always expressed on the issue. No,

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Speaker 1: I get it. At the same time, deal with.

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Speaker 2: The unfair you're asked. You asked a good faith question,

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Speaker 2: like how do we Democrats get out of the wilderness? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this one is an eighty twenty issue in your time's poll, right,

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Speaker 2: that's all.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you.

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Speaker 2: We're getting crushed on and like crush and you have

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Speaker 2: an opportunity in the state to be like, Look, I

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Speaker 2: have a heart for Aby Hernandez. I have a heart

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Speaker 2: for the San Jose volleyball player. Yeah, let's give them compassion.

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Speaker 2: But it's not fair. Is just for like a woman's

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Speaker 2: entire woman's sports. I agree you know, by.

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Speaker 1: The way I agree with you, I agree with you,

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Speaker 1: and it's interesting I stress tested this child. I was wondering,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, in California, and I've been a

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Speaker 1: leader in the LGBT few places as face as you know,

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Speaker 1: back in two thousand and four, was marrying same sex couples.

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Speaker 1: And I know we have different opinion on marriage equality,

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Speaker 1: and so I've been at this for years and years.

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Speaker 1: I take a back seat to no one, But I

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Speaker 1: was actually on the issue of sports, which in the

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Speaker 1: last few years has just exploded. Trying to understand and

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Speaker 1: understand the ten athletes in the NC TWOA five hundred

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Speaker 1: and ten thousand athletes, but ten athletes, but how profound

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Speaker 1: And even my own friend Cohort people saying, the hell

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Speaker 1: is going on? Why aren't you calling this out? When

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Speaker 1: did this happen? So in two thousand turns out in

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, years before I was governor, there was a

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Speaker 1: law established that established the legal principles that allow the

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Speaker 1: allow trans athletes and women's sports. But the issue of

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Speaker 1: fairness is completely jit. So I completely align with you,

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Speaker 1: and we've got to own that and we've got to

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Speaker 1: acknowledge it. I don't say that through the prism of

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Speaker 1: politics because you disagree with same sex marriage on principle,

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Speaker 1: and so I'm not And by the way, I value

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Speaker 1: the fact that you're not trying to walk away from

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Speaker 1: that principle because elector I'm in the minority of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I don't want to walk away from this principle

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Speaker 1: because of electoral But it is an issue of fairness,

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Speaker 1: and I think Democrats, I.

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Speaker 2: Think that the I wish that we would have done

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Speaker 2: this podcast last week because well, because the US Senate

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Speaker 2: just vote. Every Democrat voted against that bill. And I'm

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Speaker 2: just telling you, like again, I'm not one to give

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Speaker 2: Governor new some advice. You guys are giving us an

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Speaker 2: eighty twenty issue that is just permeating the country. It's

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Speaker 2: and is such an uffront to our senses. And you

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Speaker 2: look at these videos, Governor, because it's not just that

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Speaker 2: it's okay you read an article about it, but these

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Speaker 2: young men that are you know, are in these sports.

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Speaker 2: They're throwing around girls, and it is an issue of fairness.

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Speaker 2: But it goes to a broader arch narrative there, which

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Speaker 2: is important now and I want to hear this, which

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Speaker 2: is this that that that you that the Democrats, you

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Speaker 2: guys will tend to view an incident through an oppressor

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Speaker 2: of press Blens. Yeah, it's your training. It comes from college,

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Speaker 2: it comes from and we as conservatives tend to view

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Speaker 2: things through right or wrong, or just or unjust, and

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Speaker 2: the country is going far more in our direction and

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Speaker 2: away from your direction, because the problem with oppress or

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Speaker 2: oppressed is eventually you run out of oppressors and you

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Speaker 2: start creating them out of thin air, and you start

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Speaker 2: trying to say, well, these people must to be blamed

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Speaker 2: for all of our problems. Or that's where you get

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Speaker 2: a lot of the let's just say a lot of

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Speaker 2: For example, there's Wall Street Journal editorial like when will

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Speaker 2: the white men shut up or stop complaining? That does

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Speaker 2: no good for anybody? Right, So what I'm what I'm

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Speaker 2: getting at, though, is it's a worldview difference, right, And.

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Speaker 1: So that is why the issue is so much more powerful.

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Speaker 2: Of course it is because, but it's also pattern recognition.

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Speaker 2: It's pattern recognition of a Democrat party that post twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty decided to go all and we call it woke,

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Speaker 2: you might call it you know, justice or whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: but it's so outside of what we would consider traditional

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Speaker 2: Americans norms and customs. A Democrat strategist would say, oh, Charlie,

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Speaker 2: you're weaponizing stuff, not you, but like that's a typical,

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Speaker 2: typical thing. But the most effective ad of this election cycle,

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Speaker 2: the most effective ad, you know what it.

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Speaker 1: Is, Yeah, and devastating. Trump's for you, She's for them.

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Speaker 2: And devastating again in the state, devastating and devastation.

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Speaker 1: She didn't even react to it, which was even.

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Speaker 2: More Why was devastating? Number one, it was the trans

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Speaker 2: issue that was just you know, monopolizing.

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Speaker 1: And this was this was even more challenging because there's

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Speaker 1: issues of people that are incarcerated and illegal and illegal

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Speaker 1: incarcerated individuals getting taxpayer funded yes, and gender reassignments agents

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Speaker 1: that is a ninety ten not an age, right.

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Speaker 2: And then she's like enthusiastically defending dragging, being like, I'm

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Speaker 2: all for this, all all for this.

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Speaker 1: And then you had the video that it was a

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Speaker 1: validator brutal. Yeah, and so tensi millions brutal. And then

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Speaker 1: the targeted focus from the from the Trump campaign next.

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Speaker 2: Level, and then Charlotte Ma comes out on Breakfast Club

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Speaker 2: is like, this is insane and they ran it on

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Speaker 2: in a football brilliant yes, And so you're trying to

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Speaker 2: reach men. It's it's not like, it's not this a

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Speaker 2: brilliant campaign.

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Speaker 1: Commercial was brutal. DEBI doesn't require the way we were

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Speaker 1: running around just in the for the what the hell

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Speaker 1: it's worth for you? She was ag at the time

654
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Speaker 1: she was addressing the issue of a legal settlement. The

655
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Speaker 1: courts were interviewed, still happening, but she had the video

656
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Speaker 1: where in the video she was obviously expressed support and

657
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Speaker 1: so she was being a cheerleader for a very popular thing.

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Speaker 1: It was, and it was it was a great ad.

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Speaker 1: And I say that lightly.

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Speaker 2: This is political and I want to make sure this

661
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Speaker 2: it's not just that this was like the Willie Horton

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Speaker 2: ad of the twenty twenty four. It wasn't just like

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Speaker 2: a leatwater brilliance. It's that it reflected truth that the

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Speaker 2: voters felt. Yeah, I appreciate it, and that because because

665
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Speaker 2: voters felt as if their country was slipping away. Now

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Speaker 2: you have the Democrats have a choice. You could say

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Speaker 2: to those people you're racist, your Nazis, your fascists, you're terrible,

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Speaker 2: or you can listen and be like, why is it

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Speaker 2: that a steel worker in Pittsburgh who's voted Democrat. His

670
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Speaker 2: entire life is voting for Trump despite all of you know,

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Speaker 2: the stuff that's been thrown at him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and rhetoric that he's thrown it at us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, context, but it's it's it's a pattern, and the

674
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Speaker 2: trans thing is just one of those things. But the

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Speaker 2: second element was also what we saw under Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: was if you came to the southern border from any

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Speaker 2: country and you spoke the magic words, you could go

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Speaker 2: to any city You're choosing right CBP one border app

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Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, that steel worker in Pittsburgh's like,

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Speaker 2: why am I paying all these taxes? And I'm getting

681
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Speaker 2: my I can't afford beer, I can't afford anything. And

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Speaker 2: so I guess my question is to you, what are

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Speaker 2: the Democrats going to do about it?

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Speaker 1: So I went and let me I'm going to answer

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Speaker 1: that in a second, but let me just let me

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Speaker 1: let me pull a few more threads. You said twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty is when you started to seeing the Democrats sort

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Speaker 1: of advanced this notion of wocism.

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Speaker 2: So when THEO the awokening, the awokening really started, what

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Speaker 2: was it? You know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 1: But so is it the LATINX stuff that By the way,

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Speaker 1: not one person ever in my office has ever used

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Speaker 1: the word LATINX.

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Speaker 2: So can we finally put that to bed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? But what did that even?

696
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Speaker 2: Know?

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Speaker 1: More?

698
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Speaker 2: Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Well, I just didn't even know where it came from,

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Speaker 1: And like, what are people talking about? Was it the pronouns?

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Speaker 1: By the way, once once you'd think California invented the

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Speaker 1: frame of the problem. Now I mean literally I had

703
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Speaker 1: one meeting where people started going around the table protests one.

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Speaker 1: There's been a hell of a lot of days between

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty and today and one meeting, So it's not

706
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Speaker 1: like this is I'm like, what the hell is? Why

707
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Speaker 1: is this the biggest issue?

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Speaker 2: Well, in corporate America's everywhere? Okay, all right, in college campuses.

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Speaker 1: And must college see that's where you reside a lot

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Speaker 1: in the college campus. You made a defund the schools

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Speaker 1: if they're doing like Jesus okay, and it's a number

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Speaker 1: number three? What else? I mean did you started me?

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Speaker 1: What was also the big wokeism thing?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, first of all, it wasn't just

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Speaker 2: it wasn't just the projection of certain narratives, which we

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Speaker 2: could obviously go through but it's when policy started to

717
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Speaker 2: come forward and what kind of policies hiring practices when

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Speaker 2: it was there was We're not.

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Speaker 1: There was de kides ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was just what we saw. We

721
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Speaker 2: saw mass adoption. What we saw and not only that,

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Speaker 2: we saw pledging of billions of dollars of donations to

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Speaker 2: racial justice from the biggest types of corporations imaginable.

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Speaker 1: For the point.

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Speaker 2: And then it was sort of post George Floyd That's

726
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying, that's when that's when that's what you had.

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Speaker 2: You had a combustible Was that wrong?

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Speaker 1: I mean to address the issue of racial I mean

729
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Speaker 1: there was there's legitimate issues as it relates to past practice.

730
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Speaker 2: Was what was insulting. What was insulting to a lot

731
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Speaker 2: of people is number one, where's the money going? Because

732
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Speaker 2: the top premier BLM charity ended up being a racket,

733
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Speaker 2: right with Patrice Colors, Like where'd that hundred million bucks go?

734
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Speaker 2: So all of a sudden we learned that and all

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Speaker 2: these pledges of corporate dollars, We're going to this woman

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Speaker 2: that's like hiring her like brother for personal security, and

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Speaker 2: that like a lot of and you would even agree

738
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Speaker 2: like that that that became the number two. But number two,

739
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Speaker 2: which I think was most important, was that it was

740
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Speaker 2: it elevated then this scholarly community that was otherwise fringe,

741
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Speaker 2: like Robin DiAngelo and other people, and her book White Frigid.

742
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Speaker 2: Literally the entire premise of her book is that white

743
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Speaker 2: people need to stop being so fragile about race. You

744
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Speaker 2: need to sit down and shut up and hear how

745
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Speaker 2: racist you are. And she was brought on tours to

746
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Speaker 2: corporations across the country. And by the way, just you understand,

747
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Speaker 2: this was a phenomenon over months and months, and it

748
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Speaker 2: didn't quite catch up in turn in time for the

749
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty election. I do believe that if you guys

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Speaker 2: would have been a little less insane on crime in

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Speaker 2: the summer of twenty, you would have completely clavered us.

752
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: In November of twenty, it was like the it was

753
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Speaker 2: the riots that even made twenty twenty close. But then

754
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Speaker 2: it was the extension of all of the what we

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Speaker 2: would call woke stuff.

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Speaker 1: And defund police.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Minneapolis literally had to hold a special

758
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Speaker 2: vote saying like should we still have a police department?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? That's I mean, I mean, that's that was lunacy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but governed by the way, by the way,

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Speaker 1: you're talking to someone who's never supported the defense. But

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Speaker 1: I was explicit, but.

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Speaker 2: Also like you did support Prop sixteen and twenty twenty,

764
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Speaker 2: which would have legalized racial racial prejudice.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Prop sixteen literally would and to go back to not

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Speaker 2: a year. You know, you're no sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Until a nine to sixty sat so little hum.

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Speaker 2: You're the governor of the largest state in the country. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I saw your debate against the Santis. You're good at

771
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Speaker 2: this stuff. You know I'm talking about. Props sixteen would

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Speaker 2: have had legalized racial prejudice, which it got defeated by

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Speaker 2: sixteen points despite all the institutions. So you're asking me,

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Speaker 2: what did wokeism look like when California, when all the

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Speaker 2: institutions yourself included, with all due respect, embraced this insane

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Speaker 2: ballot measure. Guess what even the people of California didn't want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, II, racial dismember. California since nineteen ninety six has

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Speaker 1: had Prop two oh nine. So the affirmative action case

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Speaker 1: came from the Supreme Court as well. It's the institutions

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Speaker 1: of hire learning had no impact on California, so we've

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Speaker 1: Actually it's an interesting California also codified as a constitutional

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Speaker 1: amendment marriage between a man and a woman, and that

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Speaker 1: was in the two thousand. So California runs an interesting

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Speaker 1: I saw.

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Speaker 2: A contractinating though that despite I mean, there was really

786
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Speaker 2: like no opposition. It was like a couple hundred like

787
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Speaker 2: Asian ratiativists, honestly, go back to it. But I just

788
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Speaker 2: want to say, if you asked the question what did

789
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Speaker 2: wokeism look like? Prop sixteen in California that would have

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Speaker 2: had legalized racial discrimination.

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Speaker 1: That was not a major There was a broader no

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Speaker 1: just I'm.

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Speaker 2: Gonna bring it home to you. There were hundreds of

794
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Speaker 2: such ballot referendums.

795
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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: There was you know, city council meetings where they said

797
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Speaker 2: the white people aren't allowed here, right, and what's not good?

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Speaker 2: I know it's not good. And so what that ends

799
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Speaker 2: up happen. What ends up happening is a broader question

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Speaker 2: of sensible not racist suburban moms that are like, wait

801
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Speaker 2: a second, I have a eight year old white son.

802
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Speaker 2: Are you trying to say he's a racist? And it

803
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Speaker 2: creates a backlash that then bubbles up.

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Speaker 1: Right, I appreciate I appreciate that perspective, and know I

805
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Speaker 1: appreciate not just the perspective, I totally appreciate what you

806
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: just said as an explicit statement of fact to make

807
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Speaker 1: an eight year old feel like the racist is absurd.

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Speaker 2: Governor, with all the respect that's happening right now in

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Speaker 2: California policy. And I'm not trying to drill you on you.

810
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Speaker 2: I'm just being honest, Like you could say that, but

811
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Speaker 2: like maybe you should like convene a special session and say,

812
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Speaker 2: like no more you know, race based teaching against white

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Speaker 2: people in the schools of California or Asians. I'm just

814
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Speaker 2: saying though that, like this is not a conjecture, it's

815
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: not hypothetical. It is embedded into the DNA of the

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I appreciate, I mean the whole how the

818
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Speaker 1: CRT stuff, Yes, I mean where I was trying to

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Speaker 1: find it. You think we have CRT and K through

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Speaker 1: twelve and.

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Speaker 2: Do you have principles of it? I mean, of course,

822
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Speaker 2: critical theory is like a PhD that's sort of different

823
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Speaker 2: by Derek Bell and Kimberly Crenshaw, but of the same

824
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Speaker 2: way that you have advanced physics and the theories of

825
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: physics in eighth grade. It's like saying that, but for example,

826
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's very simple.

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Speaker 1: And at least that explains why, because I'm just trying

828
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Speaker 1: to find it.

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Speaker 2: And we know over at least fifty schools in California

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Speaker 2: that do things called privilege walks. Do you know what

831
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Speaker 2: privilege walks are?

832
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Speaker 1: What privileged?

833
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Speaker 2: Where they make kids walk ahead based on certain questions

834
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Speaker 2: and they try to make a point saying, well, you

835
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Speaker 2: see the white people are ahead, they must have white privilege.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I get it. Yeah, No, like, all right, I

837
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Speaker 1: got to get back to back into the classroom that

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Speaker 1: I got to get. You got six million kids, get

839
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Speaker 1: your allocations. One thousand and fifty school this's the largest

840
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Speaker 1: resting play. But no excuse because these things are important.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, it's the reason we're having this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm this is very illuminating and I ful to me

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Speaker 1: to understand sort of the animus. What is it about?

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Speaker 1: You know that? Anime? I joke with people, I said,

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Speaker 1: what you know, you guys don't like DEE I, C

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Speaker 1: R T, E, S G D O J FBI.

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Speaker 2: It's a acronym.

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Speaker 1: It's all the nam three letter acronyms. What's what the

849
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Speaker 1: hell is the issue? What's going on with all that?

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Speaker 2: You know? I can I do you miss some which ones?

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Speaker 1: Which others? Whatever? I missed?

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Speaker 2: E p A. Of course you can can't study the

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Speaker 2: Employment Prevention Agency.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, you're about to get that sixty five percent.

855
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Speaker 2: That's what Look I mean, look, I mean the So

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Speaker 2: it's not just acronyms that we dislike, for the record,

857
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Speaker 2: but it's it's what goes like that subtimes.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how about the book band stuff. On a

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Speaker 1: serious note, forty forty and forty books or titles, libraries

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Speaker 1: and schools are banned in twenty twenty three? Is that

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Speaker 1: not as a as a conservative?

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Speaker 2: Well it depends. I mean, I think we can both

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Speaker 2: agree pornography should not be did nine year old a

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Speaker 2: fair point?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so that's a book band, all right? Well there

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Speaker 1: are some other books No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: That was the Moms for Liberty contention timeout like Ivory

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Speaker 2: and Bill Radley. The Mom's for Liberty movement that you

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Speaker 2: made a big thing of was just no porn to

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Speaker 2: ten year olds we agread. So those bands should be

871
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Speaker 2: those book should be banned. So what we should do, right,

872
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Speaker 2: now is every California school that has porn in their

873
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Speaker 2: library should be kicked out the Bible. Well, I wouldn't

874
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Speaker 2: say the Song of Solomon is porn.

875
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Speaker 1: But I thank some have made that point. Is that

876
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Speaker 1: a fair I don't think that's fair as a man

877
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Speaker 1: of faith, and I deeply admire that about you.

878
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Speaker 2: Thank you, yes, sir, But no, I mean again, the

879
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: Song of Solomon is rather risky. But what we're talking

880
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: about in these books is not just the words, it's

881
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Speaker 2: also the images. And again your audience can look at

882
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: the images themselves. It's highly graphic. But again, what.

883
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Speaker 1: It seems a banning binge, I mean at next level

884
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Speaker 1: sort of cancel culture.

885
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Speaker 2: But why do you think moms are doing that? Do

886
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Speaker 2: you think it's because they want to have mind control

887
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: or do you think that they have come across I

888
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Speaker 2: think the incident of incident of highly provocative material moms.

889
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: But this mom's I mean, I don't have to get

890
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Speaker 1: into mods for liberty. You brought up the book band

891
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: deeply organized for a larger agenda. But that's my humble opinion.

892
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: But I but for ex but let me just you know,

893
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Speaker 2: kind of complete. The point is that it's easy to

894
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Speaker 2: just call it kind of a book ban, but when

895
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Speaker 2: you actually have to read some of these books, it

896
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Speaker 2: will take your breath away of some of this stuff. Right,

897
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, you know we're teaching attendants to what

898
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Speaker 2: a condom on?

899
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Speaker 1: I know, I just have a problem with you know,

900
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Speaker 1: who the hell is going to decide that government, I mean,

901
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: doron Desanta is going to decide what I can read

902
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: or say. I mean in the boardroom.

903
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Speaker 2: And this is the exercise of politics, though the exercise

904
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Speaker 2: of politics is the highest form of community because it

905
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: blends morality and sociability. So what we do is we

906
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Speaker 2: have discussion and elections, and we have boards and commissions, right,

907
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: and we as a people say okay, no porn for

908
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 2: ten year olds. Yeah, and that's politics, right. I mean again,

909
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that there's.

910
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Speaker 1: Something we've got to stress test where the Bibles including that.

911
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I don't even want to go forward any more of this. No,

912
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: it's tough, but this is that comes then this OA,

913
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Speaker 1: I just becomes a dialector.

914
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Speaker 2: I have heard a lot I've never heard that's interesting though,

915
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 2: I know, I mean, it's a it's a I don't think.

916
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Speaker 1: I don't take it deeply. Don't mean offense by the

917
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Speaker 1: way if father, cause would be offended if you But

918
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Speaker 1: there's just there's but there's most of these books are

919
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Speaker 1: critical on that portogram. There's sections that are that some kind.

920
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Speaker 2: Of of images that are very violated to young kids.

921
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Speaker 1: Some we would agree on that, but.

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Speaker 2: Can one of you if you want to learn, Governor.

923
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Speaker 2: And I'm happy that there is a movement of moms

924
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Speaker 2: that is not that's growing where they feel as if

925
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Speaker 2: our kids are being hyper sexualized, and I agree with

926
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Speaker 2: them that they are being that they have to hear

927
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Speaker 2: topics social media well, both in the social media and

928
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Speaker 2: the plasticular. And I mean, look again, you signed a

929
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Speaker 2: law where school districts can't even tell parents if their

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Speaker 2: kids are trans. Not true, Actually okay, then.

931
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Speaker 1: No they can. They just can't get fired for not

932
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Speaker 1: doing that. And it wasn't just there was. The law

933
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Speaker 1: was explicit said you can't be fired for not snitching

934
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Speaker 1: on a kid, not just for being trans, for being gay.

935
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Speaker 1: And my point is, how the hell but parents know

936
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Speaker 1: they have everybody by the way, parents snitching. No, the

937
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Speaker 1: teachers themselves have the right. The law is they can

938
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Speaker 1: do that. They can do that We're not saying you

939
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Speaker 1: can't do that. We're saying you shouldn't be fired if

940
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Speaker 1: you choose not to say Johnny was talking about, you know,

941
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Speaker 1: liking some other chad charitable. But let me freedom not

942
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Speaker 1: let me tell.

943
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Speaker 2: You the other way to say this that a teacher,

944
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 2: of course should be fired if you don't notify a

945
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Speaker 2: parent of what's happening to their kid. But I meant

946
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Speaker 2: they should be terminated for that if the teaching.

947
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Speaker 1: I want these kids to teach. I want these teachers

948
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Speaker 1: to teach, and by the way they feel like the

949
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Speaker 1: health or safety to the kid, they have a responsibility

950
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Speaker 1: to communicate that. They still can't. By the way, we're

951
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: not selling these teachers they can't. We're saying they won't

952
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Speaker 1: be fired if they don't look around and say in

953
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Speaker 1: the recess, there were two boys, Why didn't you see that?

954
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 1: You're fired? You should have said something because they're talking about.

955
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: Two different things. You're but there, of course should be

956
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: a penalty measure, whether it be termination or whatever, if

957
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: a teacher withholds information from a parent, Because what you're

958
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: saying is that there's no way to hold them accountable.

959
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 2: You're saying you're.

960
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: Accountable to what though accountable two kids talking about the

961
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Speaker 1: fact that this is a talking about subject matter all

962
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now we have to have teachers policing.

963
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Speaker 1: I think beach or conversation.

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Speaker 2: You would agree, Governor, that is an over extreme example

965
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 2: what we're talking about. It's but the extreme example we're

966
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: talking about is if which happens a lot, unfortunately, is

967
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Speaker 2: if a young girl says that, hey, I want to transition,

968
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Speaker 2: and the teacher accommodates and affirms it and the parent

969
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: doesn't even know. I have met parents like that, and

970
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 2: I heard.

971
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: Of Trump and then they come back in there. But

972
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: I think there's so much extreme.

973
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Speaker 2: Right, I will say, and we don't have to, you know,

974
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: we don't have to wrestle too much on this topic.

975
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Speaker 2: But you guys will lose on these topics. No, I disagree,

976
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,959
Speaker 2: but but but I'm one of those guys.

977
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: In child I appreciate and I, by the way, appreciate

978
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: the cibility which we're engaged in this conversation. Sincerely, I

979
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: don't mind losing. Sometimes you lose on Prince. It's one

980
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: of those things. Everything's not political, is the point. And

981
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: sometimes in principle and by the way, matter. Respect for

982
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: you abortion and same I experienced us. The American people

983
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Speaker 1: don't agree with me exactly and I but I admire

984
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: that on principal. But for me, it's not just political,

985
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: and I appreciate you you're making that point. I deeply

986
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: am mindful of the politics of this, which are very unhelpful.

987
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I personally, it's unhelpful. More broadly professionally the Democratic Party

988
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: in our brand and one of the reasons to your point,

989
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,760
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party brand has just been crushed.

990
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: And so is your self. Awareness is helpful to know

991
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: because it is deeply unpopular, and I think that that

992
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: is that is an ascendant political force, right, that is

993
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: not going away.

994
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: No, I appreciate, but I also appreciate you hold deeply

995
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: unpopular beliefs.

996
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: Of course I do, but I I know, but you're

997
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: not running for office. I'm not going to run as

998
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 2: a moderate.

999
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: What do you When do you when you're running for office?

1000
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: I saw running. I saw a poll in Arizona that

1001
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: you were like one or two. Yeah, the highest name

1002
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Speaker 1: ID and a favorability. When are you running? Is is

1003
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: that what this is all about?

1004
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: It's definitely no.

1005
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: You're not even old enough to be president. You're only

1006
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: thirty one years old.

1007
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 2: You got to be I mean, running anything you're going

1008
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 2: to run against I'm running for you know, head of

1009
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 2: most popular TikToker. But I'm not running for anything.

1010
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: But would we ban TikTok? Are you?

1011
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: No? It should?

1012
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: Now?

1013
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: I used to say that, and then I started.

1014
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: Why did you change your position because it's literally interesting

1015
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 1: or Trump told you to?

1016
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: Well, no, it definitely was not Trump. I sent out

1017
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: a tweet, and I'm perfectly honest about this. I think

1018
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: you'd respect this is that I was so mad at

1019
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: them because they would ban me all the time. And

1020
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 2: I sent out a tweet saying like, hey, if you

1021
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: guys are really for free speech as a creator, like,

1022
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 2: let's see it. Get a call from TikTok a couple

1023
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 2: hours later. We're going to show you that we're for

1024
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: free speech. We're going to show you the power of

1025
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 2: the platform.

1026
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: Right.

1027
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 2: And I saw real changes where our campus interactions went

1028
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: from being banned to now well over two and a

1029
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 2: half billion views on TikTok. And so I wouldn't say expedient,

1030
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 2: I'd say impact. And also they now have changed some

1031
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: of their speech codes, They've changed some of their Hey,

1032
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 2: enough for your son. Some finds my content somehow.

1033
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: Look, I used TikTok. I was just out that wasn't

1034
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: out there. Try to jump in conversion. It's a it's

1035
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: a hell of a conversion.

1036
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm I'm open about it.

1037
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate. Back to the Democratic Party, we talked about

1038
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: just that we're not aligning with them. They don't trust us.

1039
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: I think we have thirty one favorability, fifty percent on

1040
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,240
Speaker 1: favorability and by the way, thank you, thirty one percent

1041
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: favorability is not good enough. So I mean, what back

1042
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,959
Speaker 1: to back to just the basics. So you you talked

1043
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: about wokeism broadly defined. We talked about some specific examples

1044
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: of that. You you began on the transport, which is

1045
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: interesting and I respect and appreciate.

1046
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 2: Want you to speak out against that one.

1047
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate what we just did of all of you.

1048
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, and I've been by the way I've been

1049
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: saying that so interesting gets picked up and that maybe

1050
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: goes to the question we live in these filter bubbles.

1051
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: We're talking to ourselves. We're in the sort of yeah,

1052
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: it's Newsmax one, American News, Fox, and then it gets

1053
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: into all the stuff that you guys are doing and

1054
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: everybody else, And meanwhile I'm safe over here at MSNBC

1055
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: and CNN, reading the New York Times, feeling really great

1056
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,399
Speaker 1: about things and having a nice class of chardonnay, listen

1057
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 1: to Rachel matdow self medicating and just going yes, yes,

1058
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: the press, laundry, the French that's of course the only

1059
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: place I eat. And you know, give me a great

1060
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: takeout in the whole thing where I should have been

1061
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: at Applebee's. I get it, Applebee's America. I read that.

1062
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: Come on, man in and out.

1063
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: And here's a guy who makes twenty five times more

1064
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: money than I do and sitting here with it with

1065
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 1: a jacket, and I'm sitting here with it.

1066
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: And you control the fifth largest economy.

1067
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: On the planet. We don't control the people control the

1068
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: fifth largest economy. And by the way, proud that you

1069
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: know it's a three point Any population went last year,

1070
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: A population went up last.

1071
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: Year because of the illegal border we'll talk about.

1072
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: That's just factually and true. And that was, by the way,

1073
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,439
Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety four National Guard that I put

1074
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: down at the border six years ago. You should be

1075
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: championing that. As governor of three hundred ninety four. We

1076
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: have down at the border. We've been focused on I've

1077
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Speaker 1: been breaking.

1078
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Speaker 2: Out anyway, You're you're getting somewhere compliments.

1079
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Speaker 1: Stay no, yeah, I was going back to.

1080
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: You're talking about your your wining and dying at French laundry.

1081
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: Yes, I was talking about the importance of of of never. Well,

1082
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Speaker 1: I can't help you with the reservation. I've been very nice.

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Speaker 1: By the way. We couldn't have this conversation with that conversation.

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Speaker 1: Dumbest bonehead, move my life, okay, own it, move on,

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Speaker 1: grow up.

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Speaker 2: And I'm trying that you talking to you to be

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Speaker 2: talking to myself.

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking. I'm staring. I'm looking right you and

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Speaker 1: the eyes as I say that, just to get your

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Speaker 1: reaction that said, we we are We're losing. We have

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Speaker 1: this I Field's asymmetry of Donald Trump and Elon Musk

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Speaker 1: and on tweets. Are you doing social media and for

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00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: me doing a three minute hit at three o'clock in

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Speaker 1: the afternoon on CNN, I mean, how the hell will

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Speaker 1: we compete?

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Speaker 2: We're toast well, I mean part of it. And credit

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Speaker 2: to you for doing long form podcasting, because long term

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Speaker 2: podcasting does penetrate different audiences, right, and our show does

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00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: very well. But part of the problem of the Democrat

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Speaker 2: Party that for the health of the country, would be

1101
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: great to change, is that Democrats cannot survive in long

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: form podcasting environments. It's too unscripted. It's too masculine, honestly,

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00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: and the Democrat parties because what.

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Speaker 1: I'm masculine about a podcast honestly, because I get the

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Speaker 1: whole manosphere.

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00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: That growth to go into the wilderness with no rules

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00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 2: and duel it out and see who's better or who's strong. Seriously,

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Speaker 2: I mean like getting I mean like we don't do it.

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Speaker 1: You're right for whatever reason, don't do it.

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Speaker 2: You can laugh. But like who in the Democrat Party

1111
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: you're right?

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Speaker 1: Will go?

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Speaker 2: I mean maybe Bernie Sanders, but he only he was

1114
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: a Democrat, Bobby Who's now hhs. But like, there's something

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00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 2: to be said that if you want to earn the

1116
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 2: respect of forgotten America, you have to show them that

1117
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 2: you can intellectually joust with no script no hardbreaks, no

1118
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:58,479
Speaker 2: producers in the ears, no teleprompters. That's where new media

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00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: is going now, Will I will only challenge one thing,

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Speaker 2: you say. I am reaching new audiences. I'm not talking

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00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: to my bubble because our content is so appealing. It

1122
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: goes in a decentralized way. And it's not just political,

1123
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Speaker 2: no it's not. But like again, our conversation here is

1124
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: going to go far and wide right. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people are going to see a lot of people are

1126
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 2: going to consume it because it's also politics entertainment have

1127
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: begun to overlap right right, And the old adage is

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Speaker 2: while politics is downstream from culture, I think politics and

1129
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 2: culture are indecipherable from one another. Now Donald Trump became

1130
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 2: a cultural phenomenon. Right. You go into you know, inner

1131
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: city Compton, you'll see guys with Trump shirts with you know,

1132
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: the hand up, you know, fight fight fight. So what

1133
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 2: democrats are doing is you're still playing in a very old,

1134
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: hyper sanitized media environment. And my advice is you got

1135
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 2: to go where it's Unpredictablehere it's treacherous, where it's dangerous. Now,

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00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: I would make a more provocative argument that you wouldn't

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00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 2: necessarily resonate with, which is that that you guys have

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Speaker 2: not You guys have not built the intellectual muscle over

1139
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 2: thirty years because you all agree with each other all

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: Well, not like conservatives are or massively disagreeing this. I

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Speaker 1: Trump is completely collapsed on the conservative I would push

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00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: back a little bit. I would disagree. We have a

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Speaker 1: robust discussion. It seems like Congress is really doing great

1145
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: oversight of Trump right now. They're just holding out.

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Speaker 2: That's an important but separate issue. I just want to

1147
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: finish the point when we could talk about Congress, which

1148
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 2: is that in the Republican Party we have immense and

1149
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 2: vocal and public spats all the time. I think you

1150
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 2: would agree we fight about form. Look at Ukraine, right,

1151
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: we're talking about primary challenging some of these senators that

1152
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 2: were meeting Zelenski last week. The Democrat Party would never

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Speaker 2: do that. Now, I think that is a symptom of

1154
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 2: an underlying thing we are. We're constantly trying to find

1155
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: the approximation of what truth is. We're trying to use

1156
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: dialogue towards hey, who's right? What do you believe? Why

1157
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 2: do you believe it? And it's by no coincidence that

1158
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 2: out of the long form podcasting genres in the top ten,

1159
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 2: eight of them are conservatives, center right Rogan Megan Kelly,

1160
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: Theo Vaughn, The Paul Brothers Program, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh.

1161
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Speaker 2: There's a singular one on the left, which is Pod

1162
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 2: Save America, which is just like a bunch of Obama

1163
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 2: bros agreeing with each other for ninety minutes and saying

1164
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: that we're not very smart and you know, and so anyway, But.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate no, but it's an objective truth, right, I mean,

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00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: you just dominate this media. It's medium, but so what

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00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: I mean, But it's interesting you're making a deeper that

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00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: we're not and you didn't say it again in in

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Speaker 1: a maligning way, but that we're just not capable because

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Speaker 1: we're not why hardwired?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's to be able to participate it. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think that it's two things. Number One, your upbringing

1173
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 2: in college campuses does not foster debate like it used to.

1174
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: It just doesn't. It's that it's about silencing the critic

1175
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 2: and the elevation of the victim. So you do not

1176
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: have the practice of robust having to defend your position.

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Speaker 2: It's very monolithic, it's very centralized, it's very top down.

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Speaker 2: It's quasi of thought oritarian. And then secondly, I would

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Speaker 2: just say that the philosophy on the worldview, as I

1180
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier that you guys have adopted is that THOU

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00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 2: which is oppressed will get the most points. You guys

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00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 2: don't have Thou that has the best idea wins. And

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00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 2: because of that, you guys have an elevation of like, hey,

1184
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: we're going to eventually, we're just going to have a

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00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: small subset of a minoritarian, hectoring, hall monitor, assistant principal

1186
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: vibe of people telling you that you're not allowed to

1187
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: say these words and you can't say that, And we

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00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: call that political correctness, which in and of itself is

1189
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 2: hyper authoritarians. So if you seek to understand why young

1190
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Speaker 2: men are rebelling, it's like, no, I'm not going to

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00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 2: go along with this anymore. Like maybe I'm going to say,

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Speaker 2: for an example, maybe I'm going to send out a

1193
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: stupid tweet when I'm seventeen years old. When I'm twenty six,

1194
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have to get fired.

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Speaker 1: Be that right now. I've never liked this, Cancel Calle.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm glad to hear you saying. I remember

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Speaker 1: back when I was a lieutenant governor. I think Bill

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Speaker 1: Maher was trying to get on the UC campus or something.

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Speaker 1: They were saying Bill maher was too conservative voice, and

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Speaker 1: we called that at the time it completed said, but

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Speaker 1: it's equally insane that people are boycotting bud Light. I mean,

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Speaker 1: how is that not culture?

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Speaker 2: So I don't drink, but yeah, I mean.

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00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,799
Speaker 1: Like you don't drink at all. I mean, by the way,

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Speaker 1: I'm just that's interesting. You don't never have I have. Yeah,

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00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: what happened a couple of years ago? You stopped what

1207
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: you were stopped? Why'd you stop?

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00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 2: I just wanted to be more successful.

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Speaker 1: I love that. What were you drinking?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Napa velly wine?

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, here we go. Right, are we going

1212
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: to get a little My Lord forgive by the way,

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Speaker 1: forgive me. I I deeply respect. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: do you respect to drink? Observed?

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Speaker 2: Like the fourth time? Come on, No, no, I don't drink.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, look, but first of all, we have the

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Speaker 2: agency to boycott whatever we want. But understand, but.

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Speaker 1: I mean in that cancel culture is reverse. I mean

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Speaker 1: a lot of cancel culture.

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Speaker 2: Hold right, it's something completely different. First of all, cancel

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Speaker 2: culture is someone in power using their power to cancel

1222
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Speaker 2: somebody that doesn't have power. That's cancel home time out,

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00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: hold on bud Light was people that don't have a

1224
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: lot of power, consumers using their agency to say no,

1225
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Speaker 2: powerful corporation, I'm not going to voluntarily associate with you.

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Speaker 2: But cancel culture is always been the incumbent person with power,

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Speaker 2: a governor, a principle, a boss, a CEO, a corporate board,

1228
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Speaker 2: going against the weaker. What we did with bud Light

1229
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: was just a bunch of decentralized folks doing a good

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Speaker 2: old fashioned boycott.

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Speaker 1: Completely different, but boycott is not I mean, whether there's

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Speaker 1: boycotting speakers, there's boycotting, that is a derivative.

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Speaker 2: But the culmination of cancel culture is somebody who has

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Speaker 2: a power position wrongly canceling.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that respect. So let's go back to Democrats

1236
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,359
Speaker 1: being totally incompetent, incapable of spending thirty, let alone forty

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Speaker 1: five to an hour, glad having a conversation broadly on podcasts.

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00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,399
Speaker 2: You're you're becoming the exception.

1239
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: In the process of becos.

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00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: It's like becoming Gavin, It's like becoming Michelle's right coming.

1241
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Speaker 1: But so what I mean, who do you are the Democrats?

1242
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 2: You do?

1243
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,200
Speaker 1: Forget literally any Democrats you admire out there right now?

1244
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: I mean even beyond just the podcast thing that you

1245
00:54:54,840 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 1: look in, say, Jesus, there's hope forgive me there. We

1246
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: can edit that out. No, I don't care. You can

1247
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Speaker 1: keep it that.

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Speaker 2: I used to have respect for Bernie on his anti

1249
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 2: war stance, and now he's a complete and was going

1250
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: to he's a complete in neocon now, so he's he's

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Speaker 2: not there. Democrats, I respect you, Oh, Bobby Kennedy, I

1252
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: respect Tulsi Gabbard.

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Speaker 1: Why are you laughing?

1254
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 2: Because the team now because you guys kicked out like

1255
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,799
Speaker 2: your best people. It's like the people that were into

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Speaker 2: This is a great point, though, Governor, is that Bobby

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Speaker 2: Kennedy was a heterodox opinion on a thing that a

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00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 2: lot of people are concerned about. Get him out. He's

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Speaker 2: an anti vaxxer. Tulsi Gabbard, who is an anti wark,

1260
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Speaker 2: Get her out. She's a Russian agent. If you, guys,

1261
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: see how you have an unhealthy purification process where eventually

1262
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: you're left with just a thirty one percent approval rating

1263
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 2: and a bunch of people that are talking to each other.

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Speaker 2: And meanwhile, we're the ones that have Democrats in our cabinet,

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Speaker 2: winning the electoral majority vote because there needs to be said,

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Speaker 2: we're if Democrats are serious about being a majority party.

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Speaker 2: Ever again, when somebody has a disagreement, for example, if

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Speaker 2: there's a pro life Democrat, is there a place for

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Speaker 2: a pro life Democrat and the Democrat Party, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean there should be. Okay, that's on principle, there should that.

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Speaker 1: That's a bit, that's a big thing we held personal

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Speaker 1: point of view. God blessed, I agree.

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Speaker 2: Not in every party or Democrat official would say that, right,

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Speaker 2: and so certain states have different opinions on that, and.

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Speaker 1: I say, this is one of the biggest champions. I

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Speaker 1: got them on the planet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, trust me, I know that, I know. But like

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Speaker 2: the the issue though, is that that is like a

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00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: that is a one stop purity test, Like we have

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Speaker 2: pro choice Republicans. That is a pro choice Republican.

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Speaker 1: No, and Trump himself decided to pivot a little bit.

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00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: Pro choice than I am, like for sure. But what

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00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: I'm saying though, is what you see in the Republican

1284
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 2: Party is the best, in my opinion, culmination of modern

1285
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 2: politics and doesn't get appreciated. Look at that ideological diversity.

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00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: We have people that you know, geez, they want to

1287
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: go to war with every country that says something bad

1288
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: against us. And then we have people that are far

1289
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: more dubvish, you know, like Rand Paul, but that that

1290
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: is a better more Dare I say diverse picture? You

1291
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 2: could say diversity is our strength.

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Speaker 1: Oh, look at you, Look at Charlie Kirk. Diversity is strength.

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Speaker 1: I mean I want to end the podcast right there.

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Speaker 1: But first I said you could say you could I

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Speaker 1: want to do we have ultimate editing here.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to know.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to edit any of this. And and

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Speaker 1: by the way, uh uh, no reason to edit any

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Speaker 1: of this despite my use of inappropriate words here and there.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you just on the on the Democratic

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Speaker 1: Party side, forgive me. I do want to just look

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Speaker 1: where so our effort to get out of the wilderness,

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Speaker 1: you know, on the woe culture wars, on some of

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Speaker 1: these issues, on providing a more diverse uh campus. Dare

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Speaker 1: I say of opinion?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: And pulling people in? But what what else do you?

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Speaker 1: I mean do you feel this party? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: be one point that the Republican Party is now going

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Speaker 1: to be the dominant and send apart.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm not saying you're rid. I don't I

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Speaker 2: don't have that kind of pride. I'm not saying. I'm

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Speaker 2: saying right now we are the ascendant worldview. We could

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Speaker 2: screw this up easily. It might be you have to

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Speaker 2: have the humility to say that. But like as of

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Speaker 2: the recording of this podcast, we have a majority approve

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Speaker 2: we're winning w onon the electoral I mean all that.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, right any both houses. I mean, we could screw

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Speaker 1: it up and you guys could adjust to adapt. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So this is what this was my This was the

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Speaker 1: question that I'm not articulating very effectively. But I remember

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Speaker 1: so many of the similar contours of this conversation we

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Speaker 1: were having. In two thousand and four and two thousand

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Speaker 1: and five, you just got Schelac both houses of Congress Republicans.

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Speaker 1: You had a Republican president that won the popular vote,

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Speaker 1: the last Republican president to win the popular vote, and

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Speaker 1: two years later you had Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Four years

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Speaker 1: later you had fifty three percent of the vote, the

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Speaker 1: highest since nineteen one.

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Speaker 2: I don't say that's impossible.

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Speaker 1: So so what if if you were in my camp,

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Speaker 1: what is not going to give you.

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Speaker 2: My best advice? I'll give you. I'll give you like

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Speaker 2: the B or C level.

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Speaker 1: Okay, give me, give me the B plus.

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Speaker 2: Because the secret stuff I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: No, when you got what is your secret stuff there?

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Speaker 2: That's secret for it?

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Speaker 1: Is it? Is it technical? Or is it?

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Speaker 2: It's all that I can design your presidential run in

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Speaker 2: a way and we're.

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Speaker 1: This is not no, you got by the way. You

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Speaker 1: guys are so obsessed with the idea that every goddamn

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Speaker 1: thing I do. I said it again. Yeah, I said

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Speaker 1: it again because I needed your emotional reaction that everything

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Speaker 1: I do has is framed in that context. It's it's

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Speaker 1: a talk about you can trump derangement syndrome. I think

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Speaker 1: you got one with No. With California.

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Speaker 2: First of all, it's not it's not new to have

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Speaker 2: someone from California to run for the presidency. We just

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Speaker 2: beat someone from California presidency. California is California is to

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Speaker 2: politics to the Democrat Party as Florida, it's our party.

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Speaker 2: You guys have the speaker that the former Speaker of

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Speaker 2: the House, Nancy Pelosi, right, you have you have a

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Speaker 2: lot of the ascendent political voices come out of the state.

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Speaker 2: So it's not derangement syndrome. It's no, it's knowing your

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Speaker 2: enemy and looking at the horizon and understand what's coming.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, if I were to give you or B

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Speaker 2: and C level stuff, it just gets if you have

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Speaker 2: to go to war with your own party on three

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Speaker 2: major things, you got to say we are not going

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Speaker 2: to do this illegal immigration thing anymore, which includes like

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Speaker 2: are you going to work with ICE?

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Speaker 1: We do work with us. So let me by the way,

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure people do this. We we

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Speaker 1: have been I in fact directly we actually put out

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Speaker 1: the data. I was actually reached out to the administration.

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Speaker 1: So are you not aware that California coordinates and cooperates

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Speaker 1: with all CDCR releases over ten thousand? Explain the state

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Speaker 1: you got the state wide sanctuary state and yeah, which

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Speaker 1: in the state wide framework allows us to work as

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Speaker 1: it relates to issues of criminals and coordinating the release

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Speaker 1: of criminals from our federal or from our state prison

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Speaker 1: populate prison system. We coordinate with ICE on the deportation.

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Speaker 1: We've done that over ten thousand times since I've been governor.

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Speaker 1: We're not denying access, we're not denying coordination. I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to criminal That's why for criminals sanctuary, Well, I mean

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Speaker 1: it was never would.

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Speaker 2: I would say, if you break into the country illegally

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Speaker 2: in eight USD thirteen twenty five, is of breaking.

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Speaker 1: Up I get all right, civil not criminal, but it

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Speaker 1: is a federal lot. But I get it.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying, So, by the way, if if

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Speaker 2: you're serious about moditating the party eight USC one third,

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Speaker 2: three two five vast majority Americans.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna just go through.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I can Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Americans want mass deportations. It's just the thing until until

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Speaker 1: they don't. Well, okay, that's my humble opinion, until they

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Speaker 1: don't okay, ten years. You might be right in taxes,

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Speaker 1: I don't buy it. You might well, but at the

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Speaker 1: moment you're right.

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Speaker 2: You might be right. The number bardo, we'll see number two.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned the Trands stuff. It's in affront all of

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Speaker 2: our senses. It's out of control. You.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe it in a fundamental it's not just sports,

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Speaker 1: it's not stole. You just don't.

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Speaker 2: I mean, get back to Charlie Kirk's US are separate

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Speaker 2: than the political advice. Again, but if you'd like me

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Speaker 2: to should do a whole No, I get it, Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk asked me, anything, and you could show up to

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Speaker 2: cal State North.

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Speaker 1: I've already got twenty five, by the way, talks of

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Speaker 1: what your feelings are. So actually that was a question,

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Speaker 1: a question I didn't need to know.

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Speaker 2: If you want it, it's fine. I just don't think

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Speaker 2: that's the best use of that time. But on the

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Speaker 2: political advice is that Americans increasingly believe that their good

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Speaker 2: heartedness and charitable nature towards the LGBT issue has overblown,

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Speaker 2: especially with youth sports, youth curriculum, and the chemical castration

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Speaker 2: of our kids. When it comes to this medical arity,

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Speaker 2: and you seem that you want to really I encourage you,

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Speaker 2: governor to learn about some of the butchery under the

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Speaker 2: guys of healthcare that is happening under chemical castration in

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Speaker 2: this state and in other states. We don't spend a

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Speaker 2: lot of time on that, but the American people are

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Speaker 2: overwhelmingly against it. They're overwhelming against it.

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Speaker 1: No, I think we have to be more sensitized to

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Speaker 1: that youth.

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Speaker 2: Should be off limits. I think that's that's the political

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Speaker 2: direction things are going. You might be right on deportations.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm right on this. I know that this

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Speaker 2: is this issue is picking up steam there is no

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Speaker 2: good counter to it. The CAST Report, the United Kingdom

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Speaker 2: Cast Report, the NHS came out and said there's no

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Speaker 2: good reason to ever operate surgically on a young person.

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Speaker 2: You can pre have the problem. Puberty is a solution.

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Speaker 2: I think, I encourage, but I appreciate you, but I'm

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Speaker 2: saying politically, it's a super turbocharged issue that is kicking

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Speaker 2: the tail of Democrats. The third one that is quality

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Speaker 2: of life is quality of life. I agree with you

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Speaker 2: on this one especially, but like I mean, look, no,

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Out of control, unacceptable.

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Speaker 2: Issues of just you know where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 2: Why is it you were able to clean it up

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Speaker 2: for gigiping guys.

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Speaker 1: That was the dunest thing I've ever by the way,

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Speaker 1: you guys weaponized that. I saw them in twenty five things.

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Speaker 1: The thing that was that was, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: will happily, happily revert back to your can I at

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Speaker 1: as weaponized in this case weaponized? Can in this case

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Speaker 1: can I weapon.

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Speaker 2: I guess itulous give me a point, but governed me

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Speaker 2: with all due respect. I saw a beautiful picture of

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Speaker 2: San Francisco that looked like Singapore, by the way, and

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Speaker 2: then leaves and the walking Dead come down.

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Speaker 1: By the way, it was I pack you had dozens

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Speaker 1: and dozens of foreign leaders in California is not San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: But I am the governor of California, the mayor of California.

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Speaker 2: You want the mayor you ever were the mayor, But

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Speaker 2: I just want to say that, But you have to

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Speaker 2: admit there's it's emblematic as something that if enough important

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Speaker 2: people show up, it can get clean. So why not

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Speaker 2: make it clean all the time?

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Speaker 1: That's exactly, by the way, that's my energy. I think

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Speaker 1: you've missed a lot of my press conferences. I've been

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Speaker 1: saying that to all these mayors. But the state vision

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Speaker 1: is realized at the look at the level, it's about accountability, transparency.

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Speaker 1: If you can't clean up the streets, we're going to

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Speaker 1: redirect the money. He seems to be more moderating. The

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Speaker 1: progress is being made. By the way, what's going on

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Speaker 1: with homelessness and all these red states. You're seeing it

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Speaker 1: through the roof eighteen the country. I'm not here defending

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Speaker 1: every red state, but I'm making the point. This is

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of daughters in a Quali.

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Speaker 1: Life's huge, right, Yeah, And then like, look the number

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Speaker 1: one thing, which I know you're gonna agree with, and

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have a super slick response, right, that's

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Speaker 1: that's about half true, but which is a three quarter

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Speaker 1: the cost of housing average home in California here her

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Speaker 1: fifty thousand bucks. I like what you said about black

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Speaker 1: Rock So yeah, I mean I but that was interesting

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Speaker 1: to me. I think that is.

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Speaker 2: But again, that's not a majority of house purchasing. About

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Speaker 2: one in four houses bought by private equity. Would you

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Speaker 2: agree to say that black Rocks should not be able

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Speaker 2: to own homes in California?

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Speaker 1: I think, and then turning around and rent it.

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Speaker 2: It's insane.

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Speaker 1: This is a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: You just to post a bill in the California state.

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Speaker 1: We've had one and didn't get very far last year,

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Speaker 1: and there's more conversations.

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Speaker 2: Right, tennillion dollars fund shouldn't be able to come in.

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Speaker 2: It's not just black Rocks specifically, mass mass asset managers

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Speaker 2: that have a billion dollars fifty billion dollars ascent our

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Speaker 2: management are now competing against our college grad from by

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Speaker 2: the way, cal State Fullerton.

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Speaker 1: I lovely you say this, by the way, just in

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Speaker 1: that spirit don't you agree. One of the dough things

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Speaker 1: should be dealing with the one and a half billion

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Speaker 1: dollars of subsidies on carried interest.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I carried interest. I think it's a huge problem.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, you know President Trump has proposed

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Speaker 2: in his tax building.

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Speaker 1: Everybody proposes it all the time, but in actually, I mean.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden, get rid of carried interest. That is the

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Speaker 2: holy rail of private equity. You know that, right, carried interest.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 1: But let's go back to hide.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you're gonna have a revolt in Palo

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Speaker 2: Alto if you get rid of carried interests. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 2: going to light torches and like run to Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: On the issue of housing, you couldn't be more right.

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Speaker 1: It's the original sin in the state of California, affordability period,

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Speaker 1: full stop. And it has more more impact on the

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Speaker 1: issue of homelessness than any other issue because of the

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Speaker 1: cost of living. By the way, we had one hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty thousand people in two thousand and five, twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago on the streets and homeless and our point

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Speaker 1: in time count so this is hardly unique to moderate California. Help.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long term issue and housing is at

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Speaker 1: the court.

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Speaker 2: We ran the problem. But here, help me understand this.

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Speaker 2: You guys control the House, the Senate with suit majorities.

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Speaker 2: You control everything. Why can't you fix it? You said

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Speaker 2: you were going to build three and a half million homes.

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Speaker 2: You're building like one hundred and eleven five O.

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Speaker 1: There is something called a pandemic that may have had

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Speaker 1: a little impact. Issues of interest rates may have had

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Speaker 1: a little impact. And housing production guys.

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Speaker 2: Are outpacing every other So hold on, hold on.

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Speaker 1: Except forty two secre reform bills created a housing accountability.

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Speaker 2: Has it work?

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Speaker 1: And we're making We're making big progress. We've done all

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Speaker 1: that zoning. We've been pounding in this space. There's no

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Speaker 1: administration in modern California history that's done more to reform

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Speaker 1: the housing space and the regulatory space as it relates

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Speaker 1: to the issue of housing. The biggest challenge right now

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Speaker 1: is nimbism. The biggest challenge we have is local planning

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Speaker 1: and zoning. And that's why we've been very grippy. Is

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Speaker 1: a disaster that I mean, and so I have a

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Speaker 1: Ymbi mindset on all this stuff. I'm in the front

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Speaker 1: lines of this. Your friends. They are your friends down

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Speaker 1: in Huntington Beach that I'm suing. Their conservators are the

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Speaker 1: whole city council, whole day. They love you.

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Speaker 2: They literally the MAGA ninety nine point ninety living and

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Speaker 2: who's had I'm one of the one all of your towns.

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Speaker 1: We're suing them because of their rank, nimbiism. We have

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Speaker 1: been very aggressive in this space. I'm waiting for one

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Speaker 1: big thing we all are waiting for, and I think

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Speaker 1: it had the biggest, perhaps one of the biggest impacts

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Speaker 1: that we don't focus on enough. In the last election,

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Speaker 1: I was insure interest rates as interest rates.

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Speaker 2: I believe there wasn't.

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Speaker 1: And you're going to see an explosion of housing production.

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Speaker 1: I'm very confident in that in California.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also might see an increase in housing prices.

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Speaker 2: Of course. Well it's to me, it's it's all to supply,

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Speaker 2: right ek one on one, supply them. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: the biggest issue in our biggest California Hawaii have the

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Speaker 2: two highest housing prices in the country. Hawaii has an

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Speaker 2: obvious excuse they only have so much land. No, you

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Speaker 2: guys don't have a lack of one.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I haven't been governor for a century, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean Jesus, I mean whole hold on. But six years.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, no excuse, I get it. You

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Speaker 2: can't take credit from all the outsets. You know, number

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Speaker 2: one AI, number one nanotechnology AI is. But you also

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Speaker 2: got to take responsive for.

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Speaker 1: Some of the more more novel I take a little

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Speaker 1: more credit of the generative. Yeah, thirty time to.

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Speaker 2: Balance both both the credit and the and the blame.

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Speaker 2: But I appreciate but quality of life, right, so we

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Speaker 2: So when I talked to a college kid, one of

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Speaker 2: the reasons they saw Trump as a vessel for a

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Speaker 2: better life is that under President Trump those first four years,

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Speaker 2: we saw a material increase in their livelihood, wages, easier

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Speaker 2: to buy a home four years, four years, Like just

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Speaker 2: the facts are the average wage to be able to

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Speaker 2: own a home in LA to be able to own

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Speaker 2: a home, Oh yeah, it used to be eight seventy

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars years. Now it's one hundred and forty

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Speaker 2: five thousand dollars a year. So I mean what it does,

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Speaker 2: and this is again, it's creating this kind of belief

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Speaker 2: system of Russian serfs of a generation that will never

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Speaker 2: have the material American dream that their parents once enjoy it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, And I look and I think it's a

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Speaker 1: full circle on this conversation where you began by identifying

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Speaker 1: circle back. No, but it's a point. But the point

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Speaker 1: you're making, Scott Galloway and others have been making as

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Speaker 1: it relates to this generation. Yes, he's spot on on this,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's there's so much validity to and

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Speaker 1: you recognizing that problem and how one it's a diagnosing.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing.

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Speaker 2: But and President Trump as well, he deserves credit. And

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Speaker 2: I mean I think, yeah, he's he's there's I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to get you to say the words.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I just spent almost ninety minutes with

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Speaker 1: him in the Oval office a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: Isn't he the greatest?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think it was the first Democrat

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Speaker 1: invited in.

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Speaker 2: And Trump too got to admit, there's so magical that

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Speaker 2: guy Joe Biden couldn't do five minutes.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I did almost ninety minutes with Biden

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Speaker 1: right before he left in the Oval that I remember.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that'd be a hell of a book.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and eighty minutes I should do a book

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Speaker 1: of the two. That book mark, by the way, percent

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Speaker 1: was Oh, come on, god, just a fact.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just you could do you think there was

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Speaker 2: any mental there's okay, no, no, seriously, you went around

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Speaker 2: the country being like, he's I'll take him at one hundred.

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Speaker 1: There was one exception and I and the debate that no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Before the debate, I was about to say uh. And

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Speaker 1: that was the big fundraiser down in LA where I

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Speaker 1: saw a different the Clooney and Clooney called Jack black right,

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Speaker 1: But it was not that was but you know, so

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Speaker 1: much of that focus was all right, he just got

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Speaker 1: back from Europe. But that was the one one time

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Speaker 1: we don't need to get it.

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Speaker 2: But I'm not sure, but I just say, Governor, I'm

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Speaker 2: just on that one topic we saw with our own

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Speaker 2: eyes for three years and the media told us no, no,

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Speaker 2: he's perfectly fine. Yeah, And then we saw the debate,

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Speaker 2: and look, it makes us not trust our leaders when

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Speaker 2: we say everyone is perfectly fine. It's the empers five.

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing any mental decline in Donald Trump?

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Speaker 2: Right now? I see the more sharp aque. Do you

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Speaker 2: tell me you sat with them in the Oval office

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Speaker 2: for ninety minutes. The guy has a memory.

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Speaker 1: I'm asking. I mean, I know, I'm just I'm just asking,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think he's how often do you talk

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Speaker 1: talk to Trump?

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Speaker 2: By the way, once or twice a week?

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Speaker 1: Is he checking for advice ors you you give him too?

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Speaker 2: It depends if there's something I want to talk to

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Speaker 2: him about. But I mean, he's just the machine. He'll

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Speaker 2: take every call. You gotta give him credit and amazing.

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Speaker 2: He'll take every cold thing's big, right, It's amazing. And

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Speaker 2: he'll listen to every idea. He'll joust it out, he'll

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Speaker 2: talk about it. He always goes back to what I

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Speaker 2: promised the voters.

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Speaker 1: What was the last idea? You gave him?

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Speaker 2: The last idea?

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Speaker 1: Always like, mister President, here's here's what you need, or

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Speaker 1: here's the thought. I'm sad.

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Speaker 2: Actually it was interesting. I said, I don't think Canada

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Speaker 2: should be the fifty first date. We already have California,

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Speaker 2: and we have enough libs in our country. Jesus on

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Speaker 2: that Charlie Kirk shall not take the Lord's name in

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Speaker 2: vain No.

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Speaker 1: On that that. I thank you.

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Speaker 2: This was new.

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Speaker 1: This has been Gavin Newsom for uh think this was fun.

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Speaker 2: Thanks man