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Speaker 1: True story, folks. For years, even as you're listening now,

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Speaker 1: it is technically possible to get away with murder in

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Speaker 1: one very small part of the United States, The Zone

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Speaker 1: Not a not a Mad Max movie, not not some

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Speaker 1: Actually more than anything, um but it's the coolest name ever,

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Speaker 1: The Zone of Death. Off to Yellowstone. We go from

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Speaker 1: UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled

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Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, and

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Nolan. They called me Ben. You are you

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Speaker 1: that makes this stuff? They don't want you to know.

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Speaker 1: You guys traveled pretty extensively, right. We've talked about that

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Speaker 1: past episodes. Not so much currently, but in the past

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Speaker 1: for sure. I'm what they called a man of the world. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: and it's a man of the States, which is different

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Speaker 1: from being a globalist. We have other episodes on that.

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Speaker 1: Have you all ever been to Yellowstone? Never? I would

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Speaker 1: really like to go. In a previous episode, we explored

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Speaker 1: something called the Yellowstone is a super volcano. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can listen to that episode for full details, folks.

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Speaker 1: But the gist of it is that there's this gigantic

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Speaker 1: But we have a another adventure that takes place in

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Speaker 1: the inner part of the United States. Like most countries,

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Speaker 1: the United States strives to function under the rule of law,

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Speaker 1: these behaviors should be prevented, or if we can't prevent them,

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Speaker 1: At least that's that's how it is on paper. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: la la la um, pay for the elk and get

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Speaker 1: out of here. What does it take to fix a

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00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: loophole like this? So that's a great question, um, Because first,

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Speaker 1: at first I would say, um, obviously, the courts are

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Speaker 1: not They're not exactly jumping or champing at the bit

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Speaker 1: to get this done. On cult feels like there are

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00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 1: some pretty easy solutions, and we'll get to those. But

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Speaker 1: first I do want to say, I think our our

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00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: immediate answer for everybody in the audience is just be

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Speaker 1: very cautious, be aware. If someone don't particularly get on

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00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: with invite you to go camping in Yellowstone, at least

436
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: ask them where you're going in Yellows, get the coordinates. Yeah,

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00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: they make sure you have a GPS that's always in

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00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: your possession to know if you step on that land,

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00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: drop a pin, help a pin, just like missing four

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00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: one one. Also, anytime you go out in the woods,

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00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: let somebody who's back in civilization know when you're supposed

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00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: to be back and when you step on Idaho land

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00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: within Yellowston, and we will answer Noel's excellent question after

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00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor. So Dr cal worked assiduously

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00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: to bring this issue to the public eye, as we said,

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00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: and to the attention policymakers. It seems that officials are

447
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: aware of the loophole, but they were either in some

448
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: cases to answer your question, or they were either under

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00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the impression that was effectively solved or that they, specifically

450
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 1: in their position, were not the person to solve it.

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00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: So one one group or one senator rather wrote back

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Speaker 1: and was under the impression that dual jurisdiction existed in

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Speaker 1: Yellowstone or that members of nearby areas could fill in

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00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: as as members of the jury. I can imagine that

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00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: being the viewpoint instead of seeing as nobody has jurisdiction,

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00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: both states have jurisdiction, So you just kind of decide

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00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: once when something happens, could the court interpret it that way?

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00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: Is this open for interpretation or is it so specific

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00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: that like this case would actually lead to an issue

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00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: like this. It's pretty explicit, which is why the court

461
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: said no. Just look, we can agree that you shouldn't

462
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: have shot an elk. But we don't need to we

463
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 1: don't need to put the rule of law and danger

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Speaker 1: in the danger zone. Yeah, exactly. Um. Yes, So things

465
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: did turn around a little bit after the publication of

466
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Speaker 1: a fictional book, a novel called Free Fire by a

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Speaker 1: fellow name C. J. Box in two thousand seven. Turns

468
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Speaker 1: out there was a senator from Wyoming who was a

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Speaker 1: fan of c. J. Box and read the book and thought,

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Speaker 1: hang on, I hang on, that can't Yeah, and uh

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00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: so Senator Mike Enzi got involved almost entirely at first

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Speaker 1: because he was a fan of c. J. Box, and

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Speaker 1: he asked the Department of Justice to look into the issue.

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Speaker 1: They did, and they concluded that no fix was needed.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, couldn't this be open for

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Speaker 1: interpretation where you could like, you know, like it's it's

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Speaker 1: so obvious, like you know, this is like obviously like

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Speaker 1: a mistake. I don't know. I mean, I think I

479
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: would I would be of the same opinion. Their response

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Speaker 1: was that trying someone in the wrong state or in

481
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: the wrong district of um is essentially a and there's

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00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 1: there raise harmless error. She's uh so, both Dr Carlton

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00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: Center and he thought this was incorrect. Uh. They believe

484
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Speaker 1: that the error in question is a violation of someone's

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Speaker 1: sixth Amendment right to a trial in the state and

486
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Speaker 1: district where the crime occurred, so it could hardly be

487
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Speaker 1: judged harmless. Completely agree you're violating someone's constitutional rights. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you really are, though, because it's

489
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Speaker 1: still a right to a trial by a jury. I

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00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: doesn't say, like a trial in a certain I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's in the way, I guess. Besides, the place where

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Speaker 1: that's the thing is pretty explicit. Both the stuff declaring

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Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of Yellowstone and the stuff declaring how a

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Speaker 1: trial should be conducted are pretty explicit in the in

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Speaker 1: the legal ease. So maybe the best way to do

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Speaker 1: this is to look at a chronological example. So let's say, um,

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Speaker 1: Matt will pick on you. Let's say you commit a

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Speaker 1: crime and Yellowstone. All right. First off, it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what crime you committed, but you know, since it to you,

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Speaker 1: what crime did you commit? I harvested some wild growing

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00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: poppies and I tried to set up a very small heroine. Okay,

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: so possession with intent to distribute? Yeah, yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't think anyone would notice. Okay, well,

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00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: all right, Unfortunately, in this thing, so Matt, Matt harvest

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Speaker 1: and attempts to harvest poppies and attempts to create drugs

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Speaker 1: from attempts to create heroine. I am at now and

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00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: so and it is unfortunately. So let's say he doesn't

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Speaker 1: get away with it. He's apprehended, he's caught, they have

509
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the stuff, they know he did it. He is going

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00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: to trial or and or he's going to court. And

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00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 1: at this point if he if you did not um

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Speaker 1: invoke your right to a trial by jury, then this

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00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: loophole would not really matter. I've lawyered up, so I

514
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: think we're gonna go to trial. So you've lawyered up,

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00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: and you're going to trial. You've invoked your six Amendment rights.

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00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: So here's where the tricky part happens, because the next

517
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Speaker 1: step is that because all of Yellowstone is under the

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Speaker 1: Federal District of Wyoming, UH, it will be that will

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00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: set the venue for the venue for the crime. The

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Speaker 1: venue for the hearing will be in that court that

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00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: court district. But because of visnage, because the jury must

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Speaker 1: come from the area where it occurred, it has to

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Speaker 1: come from the part of Idaho that is inside of

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Speaker 1: yellow Stone where no one lives. So the next step

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Speaker 1: is they can't find a jury. They can't legally find

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00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: a jury because you are not just promised the trial

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00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: by jury of your peers. There also they have to

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Speaker 1: be from where the crime was committed. So that is

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00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: the loophole doctor Celts talking about makes sense and it

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Speaker 1: looks like I'm getting off scott free so well, right

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Speaker 1: because like all we have as an example is this

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Speaker 1: Elk case where they basically made a deal with the

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00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: guy to shut him up so he wouldn't invoke this

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00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: weird right, is right pretty much to be fair, So

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00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: many cases nowadays are just settled and rather than going

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00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: through the lengthy process of having it a huge trial.

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00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: I mean, it just it happens so frequently now it

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00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me. Well, A big part of being able

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00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: to afford getting sued, if you're like wealthy enough that

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00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: you get sued often or sue others, is to have

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Speaker 1: the money just to go through the process. I mean

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00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: it's you don't automatically just like get you know, reimbursed

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00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: that you have to like invest time and money into

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00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing before you may or may not win,

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00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: and then if you don't win, you're penalized, and you're

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00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: also out over much money put into the case. And

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00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: sometimes judges will have harsher sentences if somebody does invoke

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00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: right to a trial by wasting everyone's time, right exactly.

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00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: And you know, public defenders are legally granted to people

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00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,240
Speaker 1: who cannot afford their own defenders. But those poor folks

551
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: are under water. You know, those Yellowstone public defenders. Well,

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00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. If you're Yellowstone public defender,

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00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: please write to us. Absolutely. But um, the Department of

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00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: Justice raised another more salient point um, as cult summarized

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00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: in his paper quote, splitting Yellowstone into the district courts

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Speaker 1: for Wyoming, Idaho, and Montana would also split it between

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00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: the Ninth and tenth circuits. Senator Nz and others were

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00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: wary of this because it would create a new and

559
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: unwelcome burden if environmentalists could use this foothold to challenge

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00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: the park services management decisions in the liberal and quirky

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00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit. You yeah, you hear about the ninth Circuit. Actually,

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00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: wasn't the ninth circuit the one that's the suit over

563
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: the travel ban? Oh? Was it. I think so, Okay, yeah,

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00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: liberal and quirky. And I think opponents of this action

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00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: cite the fact that a lot of their uh their

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Speaker 1: their cases get dismissed, but that there's a little more

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00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: to it than that. Um, But it's interesting for them

568
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: to just blatantly classify them as the liberal and quirky

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00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 1: Ninth Circuit. It's like the Ninth Circuit is a sitcom

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00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: on Comedy Central, like like a clown car. I'm looking

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00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: at some of the cases of interest here. You've got

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00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: Hawaii versus Trump. Two of those, um, state of Hawaii

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00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: versus Trump uber cases, consolidated appeals with Uber. Let's see

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00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: not a lot of other really interesting ones. But just

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00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: it feels a bit strange. So other government officials are

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Speaker 1: concerned and that what they see as extreme environmentalist or

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: environmentally concerned organizations would use this as an opportunity to

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00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: advance their agendas. Okay, so now there's another problem that

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Speaker 1: just swoops in at the last minute to make things

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00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: even more complicated. However, here is the closest thing we

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00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: find to an answer to this question, Um, could we

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00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: fix this? And how how easy or tough is it

583
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: to fix? Uh? Dr Cout believes that there's nothing stopping

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Speaker 1: the US from just designating the Tenth Circuit as the

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00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: proper venue for all of these cases. Just say that's it.

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00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: When fell swoop happens the yellow Stone Tent Circuit, boom, done, dismissed.

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00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a pretty good that's a good answer.

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00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for the season premiere of Ninth Circuit at

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: what's the counter argument though? That? Uh? The counter argument

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00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: at this point is U no, yeah. The counter arguments

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00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: this is definitely this is thanks for writing. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: So that is where we are at right now. Do

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Speaker 1: you want to try it before they fix it? Should we? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do a violent crime, no, no, no, no, no,

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00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: just a blue law or something. I bet there are

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00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: blue laws of white Such a sweet boy. I thought

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00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: he went from growing heroin poppies to breaking a blue law. Look,

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00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm you're gonna drink a zima on the Sabbath. The

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00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: only reason why I've got the whole poppy thing is

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Speaker 1: that it's about money laundering, and don't worry about it.

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00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: It's fine, Okay. I do have an update though, that

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00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: you you all may enjoy dr Accllott has not just

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00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: researched this. He is also currently making the rounds on

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00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: another political loophole that recently came up. Can we guess, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I got nothing? All right? Uh, it's the interesting one. Oh,

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00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: I know what it is? Alright? You can can a

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Speaker 1: dog be a mayor? A dog can be a mayor

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Speaker 1: in the US. Actually, I'm so glad you brought that up.

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Speaker 1: We didn't include that. There's a town called Cormorant, Minnesota. Wherefore,

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00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: three three consecutive terms, a dog named Duke has been

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00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: elected Mayor's Duke the mayor the dog to two times unanimously,

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Speaker 1: I believe, and the third his third run, there was

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00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: one vote for his girlfriend, who was named Lassie. The

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Speaker 1: township has one thousand, thirty nine people. Just so everybody

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Speaker 1: knows if you, if you are that many people, you

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Speaker 1: can be ruled by a dog. That dog is running it.

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Speaker 1: This dog in this photo and looking at was just

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00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 1: like lounging on a big white sofa with a tiny

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Speaker 1: hat that says mayor. Yep, it's a true story. It's

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Speaker 1: a true story. What's the big one? All right? Can

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Speaker 1: a federal official pardon of ells? Can they that was

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00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: that was the one. I was like, that was I

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Speaker 1: was trying to come up without it. I was like,

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00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: there's definitely been a loophole in the news lately. What

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00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: is the answer, I'm gonna say. Hell, I would say

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00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: that too, well, but it's still not it's not clear.

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00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: It's never happened. It's not it's never happened, and it's

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00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 1: not explicitly forbidden. So the INN, well, like the INN statutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the legally the president or commander in chief has the

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00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: power to pardon, but it doesn't. It doesn't say, you know,

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Speaker 1: you cannot pardon yourself, you cannot pardon certain people for

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00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: certain crimes or something like that. It doesn't even say

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Speaker 1: you can only pardon real people. It's completely I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's why every year the president pardons of Turkey. But

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving yep. So. But I I heard an argument on

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Speaker 1: n p R is some legal um scholar saying that

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Speaker 1: inherently the act of pardoning is meant to bestow mercy

638
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: on another and that like the the very nature of

639
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: it is not self reflective or whatever, and there's yeah,

640
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: that's a great point. There's another point there too, where

641
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: a pardon I'll pardon is acknowledging that a crime occurred.

642
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 1: A pardon is in some way an acknowledgement of guilt.

643
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: I think so too. But in the same segment, the

644
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: guy was mentioning, I wish you could remember his name.

645
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: Uh that the pardon itself implies, no, you did nothing wrong,

646
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,240
Speaker 1: even if you did a murder or something. The pardon,

647
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: the act of being pardoned is literally absolving you to

648
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: the point where it like it never happened. So it

649
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: does not necessarily require an admission of guilt. Like, you're

650
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: totally right, Ben, But this is something that was like

651
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: this isn't this odd? Like that is you know, it's

652
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: literally like a godlike power from on high to wipe

653
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: away your sins. You know, like that's pretty intense to

654
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: get out of jail free card. So Dr colt Is

655
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: has been making the rounds talking about this, and one

656
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 1: of the things that he says is, if I were

657
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: a judge hearing the case, I wouldn't let somebody pardon themselves.

658
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: You know, can we get him on the show. Do

659
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: you think, let's see, let's let's reach out to it.

660
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a cool episode? Yeah, let's see, because

661
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: we could we could certainly use his help examining the

662
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: nature of a pardon, you know. Uh, and we'd like

663
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: your help as well, not just with this episode. Do

664
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: let us know what your thoughts are. Do let us

665
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: know if you've been to Yellowstone, if you have accidentally

666
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: found yourself in the Zone of Death, which you know.

667
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's very peaceful place, you know. I'm sure

668
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: it's not a bunch of people trying to make Moonshine

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00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: stills the locale yellow Stone Zone death. I don't remember

670
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: that from Perks and Rack the local cal zone zone. Hey,

671
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 1: you guys, guess what what's that? Man? I got Brian's

672
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: contact info right here, So I'm gonna I'm gonna make

673
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 1: a call. I'm for real serious, definitely now we should

674
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: do that. I was just quie I thought you were

675
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: going to do it on air, and Brian I was

676
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: gonna say, maybe the best way to do it is

677
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: not to prank call him now? All right? So, uh,

678
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: speaking of our listeners, it's time for chat Corner. Our

679
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: first shout out today comes from Uh, We'll call you

680
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: christ for Christopher? Is that okay? That's fine in Canada? Uh,

681
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: says hi, guys, old dude, in Canada. I like to

682
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: listen to your show. I appreciate that you introduced at

683
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: least some critical analysis to the subjects you cover. However,

684
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: you never really talked about the truly fatal flaw in

685
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: the reasoning behind so many of the topics. Taking a

686
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: task here a little bit and I like it. It's

687
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,800
Speaker 1: all positive bias, and we we talked about this for sure,

688
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: but this is this guy really does a good job

689
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: of laying this out the entertaining. Mr Pilates uses similarities

690
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: among events to imply that they are related. That is

691
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: not how science works. Science would try to disprove the

692
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: events are related. If that failed, then maybe you could

693
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: say you're onto something. He suggests the deaths he studies

694
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 1: are similar as they have quote no known cause of death. Dudes,

695
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: think about that logic for a few minutes. I don't

696
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: know if Mr Polat's books offer any real statistical analysis

697
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: of his claims. However, everything he said on your podcast

698
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: sounded like patterns based on positive bias and post hawk reasoning.

699
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: If you draw the target after you shoot the arrow,

700
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: you'll hit the bull's eye every time. Cheers Chris Well. Chris,

701
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate the idea. I've heard the painting the

702
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: target analogy or comparison before, and I think it's a

703
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: very powerful one and it's meaningful. We talked about that

704
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: a little bit on the up to the kind of

705
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: a little post mortem at the end we recorded later. Uh,

706
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: this was a big issue you had even before where

707
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: we did the interview. You were talking about how it

708
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: felt like a very well researched collection of cases with

709
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: only kind of tangential connections and and you, I don't

710
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 1: know right well the thing is in that regard, especially

711
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: um David Pelates is very very clear that he is

712
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: looking for he says it. I believe in the interview

713
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: that he is looking for cases that have the following

714
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: criteria right on, and by his own admission, not every

715
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: disappearance is going to match those cases. So I really

716
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 1: appreciate your letter, Chris, and I hope that everybody else

717
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: can hold that in We should all hold this in

718
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: our minds. The idea of painting the target after after

719
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: slinging the arrow come up within an hypothesis first and

720
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: then tested, right, isn't that just basic confirmation biased to

721
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: where you kind of like expect the result and then

722
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: see it everywhere kind of yeah, like h It's like

723
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: the old Louis c. K joke where he says, you know,

724
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: if you don't like somebody, if you if you think

725
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: they're a jerk, and you you just already decided that,

726
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: then everything they do is just going to be further

727
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: evidence to you that they're a jerk. You'll be like,

728
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: look at this monster chewing what is that spearmint? Gum?

729
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: I knew it. You can easily test that one out

730
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: by just observing someone in a vehicle while you're driving

731
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: somebody else that you happen to be next to for

732
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: a while. If you if you are if you believe

733
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: they're a jerk for some reason or another, because of

734
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: maybe the car they drive or the way they look,

735
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna see that. But if you're just like, it's

736
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: just another person driving that car, Ben, that haunts you

737
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: Honda Hodyessey, So like Ben, SI's a guy driving a

738
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: Honda Hodyssey. He immediately knows this man is a piece

739
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: of human garbage. Could be a lovely man, family man,

740
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: but no exactly getting I Yeah, I do have a

741
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 1: you can hear about that on our car show. I

742
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 1: have a longstanding unfortunate and uh entirely not my fault.

743
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: Antagonistic relationship with Honda Odyssey's putting aside any of my

744
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: personal complications some vehicles. I do think that, Chris. I

745
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: think your point remains, and we appreciate you taking the

746
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: time to write in. I gotta bring up Porsche SUVs two.

747
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, what about them? I don't have

748
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 1: a Porsche drive a Porsche. I mean, that's just how

749
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: I feel. I think so do. It's it's absurd to me,

750
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: but anyway, it's true. I mean also, I'm of of

751
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: the mind after after years of various auto related adventures

752
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: and misadventures, I'm in the mind that you know. Ultimately,

753
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: it's it's your money. It's if you want to get

754
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: a car that I think is a p O S

755
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: and that's your very expensive, bad decision. It's my right

756
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: just as equally to judge the crap out of you. Yes,

757
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: all right. Freedom of speeches not mean freedom from consequence.

758
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: Who's next? Our next message comes from Mr A. That's

759
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: what we're calling him. It's an alias. Let's get in here,

760
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: he writes, Mr A. Let me tell you I love

761
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: your podcast and very video series. That being said your episode,

762
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: the panel Gland a third Eye struck close to home

763
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: with me. I recently tried d m T and I

764
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: know it's illegal, but don't tell on me, Okay, we won't.

765
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: My input on your episode would be that I've experienced

766
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 1: a very similar vision on a higher power that people

767
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: who have done d MT say they've seen. And I'm

768
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: one of those that need to see to believe types

769
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: and I can without a doubt say that either d

770
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: m T is one hell of a drug or or

771
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: that it does really show us something beyond our normal comprehension.

772
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,879
Speaker 1: One final thing. I know you most likely won't read

773
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 1: this on air. Oops, you give us too much credits,

774
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: so I'm adding one final thing. A close friend of

775
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: mine introduced me to the Bohemian Grove and it has

776
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: compelled us for years, so much so that we're planning

777
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: on investigating what goes on there on a deeper level

778
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 1: than what has already been seen. We already have a

779
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: plan to get us in and hopefully we can send

780
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: info to you guys and maybe you guys get the

781
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: word out. Remember that article and it was Vice or

782
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: something where like somebody worked as a cook or a waiter,

783
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: like serving, it was about milkshakes. It was something like

784
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: Dick Cheney's like to drink milkshakes or something. But forever

785
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: people that don't know Abouhemian grow is like a weird

786
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: elitist social summer camp in northern California, right, And you

787
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: know it's said to be a place where big deals

788
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: happen because it's like, you know, hob nobbery with the

789
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: super super rich influencers, multi millionaires and entrepreneurs, politicians the

790
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: highest order, and they're basically just I guess, getting faded

791
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: and drinking milkshakes and urinating in public. There's the one

792
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: thing that is the most controversial about it is a

793
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: ceremony they have called the Cremation of Care, wherein they

794
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: sacrifice or they burn a mock effigy in front of

795
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: this huge owl statue. Did we talk about House of

796
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: Cars this season already? Did you guys watch that spoiler? Everyone? Okay,

797
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: so there's a scene that is essentially Bohemian Grove where

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00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: he visits that episode. They change the symbology just enough.

799
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: But if you know what Bohemian Grove is and you

800
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: know the owl and all the did they change the

801
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: animals like a momo set you the what's the what's

802
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: the saying about this fighters, weaving spiders, what tangled webs?

803
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 1: We leave when first we practice digency, but it's but

804
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: it's something on a plaque that says weaving spiders not

805
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: here or something like oh yeah, oh the that's the

806
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: real um, that's the real quotation, but they use one

807
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: that's very very similar in the show. Okay, well, thank

808
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 1: you for writing to us. Mr A. Well, we should

809
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: appreciate it, and we are. We have a severe no

810
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: snitching policy, so we're not going to tell on you.

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00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: I think that's what Mr Avery for the d MT

812
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: or the infiltration of Bohemian. But for sure, send us

813
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: anything and everything body cam please dude, send us a

814
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: jump drive and be and be safe. You know. The

815
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: best thing is like they can kick you off of

816
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: the property, but as long as you are not violating

817
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 1: a law, you should be okay, and invest in those

818
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: pin cameras that you can get. There are the little

819
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: button cameras. You'll be good to go. And if they

820
00:50:57,800 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: if they do catch you and they begin to kick

821
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: you off, first off, bring a phone you don't mind using,

822
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: and please go live on Facebook or something and if

823
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of men in black robes scoop you up

824
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night and take you to

825
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: a room and tie you to a chair night night,

826
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 1: we'll just remember us and um, yeah, we'll be thinking

827
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 1: about you and none of this constitute's actual advice. That's

828
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: right as you will. But yeah, i'd love to I'd

829
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: love to hear what happens, and safe travels and best

830
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: of luck. Our final shout out today comes from UH,

831
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 1: someone who says name withheld for fairly obvious reasons, so

832
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 1: you know this will be an interest in work. I'm

833
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: a big fan of your show and I've been listening

834
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: for about a year, including a dive into your back catalog.

835
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,479
Speaker 1: Has been fascinated by conspiracy theories, even if I don't

836
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: buy into many of them. At the end of the day,

837
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: Mulder was my hero as a kid, and that's part

838
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: of why I joined the government as a one eight

839
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: one one, otherwise known as a special agent. I had

840
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to pass along. Finding an unconventional

841
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: answer for un or under explained events is a lot

842
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: of the fun UH in the conspiracy thing, but as

843
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: someone within the government, I found the biggest mistake you

844
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: can make is to treat the government quote unquote as

845
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: a monolith. It's more like an ecosystem. It hardly ever

846
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: acts with one mind and one purpose. So government cover

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Speaker 1: what I'm just trying to say is it would be hard,

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, that's a that's a great point about the ecosystem. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like the comparison the ecosystem. And we've you know,

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Speaker 1: We we also we also believe that history has shown

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Speaker 1: us that a lot of nefarious events, especially when erpetrated

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Speaker 1: if more than a past that is a generalization. And

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Speaker 1: their salary. Hey, hey, no worries. We're not gonna not

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Speaker 1: I've got some cool Again. This ends our gosh, we

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this episode. Although it is true that

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Speaker 1: this legal loophole is real, it looks as if your

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Speaker 1: odds of getting murdered or otherwise you know, affected by

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Speaker 1: for this area is is probably statistically zero. However, disappearing

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Speaker 1: does happen every year, and we can't say that. And

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