WEBVTT - Let's Talk Ball with Jeff Gordon, Mr. Cheeks, and Muggsy Bogues 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:02.600 This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:08.879 production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.480 Steve Smith Senior and I'm ger a little John, and 0:00:11.520 --> 0:00:15.360 this is cut to it. Good do it? Good do 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:18.880 what that's getting down to? Do it? Good do it. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:22.639 We asked the questions you always want to know, but 0:00:22.760 --> 0:00:28.760 no one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't 0:00:28.840 --> 0:00:31.040 heard him about it, then we're about to let you know. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:41.199 It's all. I like to drive. I do not like 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:45.640 to sit. I used to be moving. Jeff Gordon the 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:48.599 retired driver of the number twenty four car. He's a 0:00:48.600 --> 0:00:51.720 four time NASCAR Cup Series champion and he has the 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.240 third most wins in NASCAR history. Right now, he's a 0:00:55.240 --> 0:01:02.880 Fox Sports analyst. Let's talk both. But um, you know football, 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:06.680 so let's let's talk gears. There you go. So in 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:13.120 talking these gears, we're gonna be okay with showing the 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.800 lack of understanding. We haven't And for the listeners that 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.480 may be dumb questions, but there's never a dumb question. 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:23.720 You gotta you gotta, you gotta school me and Smith. 0:01:24.880 --> 0:01:29.160 But there are some dumb questions. Yeah, they're really I 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.959 just imagine imagine NASCAR one oh one, and you're the professor. Yes, OK, 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:37.039 here we go. I'll try. I'm not a professor, but 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.680 I told you how that I was in school for us, 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:47.840 you are opportunity. Since yeah, did you have a routine 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.760 while driving? If so, what was that routine? Yeah? I 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:54.840 mean I think a routine is so important, but we're 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.720 talking about driving a car though, well, I'm probably talking 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:01.520 about routine of prepping in the car. That's what I yeah, 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:05.600 see that's what yeah, I mean to me, And you 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:10.600 have to understand and and I'm I'm ignorant to to 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.480 you know what your day would have looked like on 0:02:13.480 --> 0:02:18.040 on game day, but on race day it's you. You're 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:22.240 with sponsors and fans, and you know, you're interacting with 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.520 all these different people from the time you get up 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.120 in the morning on race day. That's just part of it, man, 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.160 I mean it's I would be well, I mean, I 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:33.280 don't know if it was hours, but you're you would 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:38.600 go to three to four different hospitalities, suites or or 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:42.680 you know at the at the race haller meeting five 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:45.760 ten people that were somehow connected to one of the 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:49.440 sponsors on your so you every morning that so so 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.120 at first it was like, man, I can't believe I 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.079 got to do all this stuff before I go get 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.400 in the race car. But then becomes part of your routine. 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.560 You just got to get into the mental place of 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.840 I'm going to talk to the people, but like I'm talking, 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:07.440 they're talking through me. Whatever it was, I mean, it 0:03:07.560 --> 0:03:10.960 was hard for it to actually penetrate because I'm thinking, Okay, 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:14.720 what that car is gonna feel like, you know, turn one. Okay, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.079 we made these adjustments from practice. So the whole time 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:19.960 I'm thinking about that, but I'm interacting and I'm putting 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:22.120 on a smile and I'm shaking hands and taking that 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.360 by itself. It took it took a long time to 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.640 really get comfortable with with doing that. And then and 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:30.040 then you go to what they call the you know, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.440 the driver's meeting, which is basically a bunch of sponsors 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:37.520 and your dignitaries or whatever that are there. You're really 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.160 not they're learning. It's not like they're saying, hey, here's 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:41.880 how you're gonna drive the race today. I mean, you 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:49.280 already had that out, all figured out. Race you know 0:03:49.280 --> 0:03:51.360 what a clutches But it was a big left turn. 0:03:52.120 --> 0:03:54.640 But but what I what really became part of my 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:58.200 routine later was was from that moment, from the time 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:03.800 you finally got away from all of the distractions, was 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.480 I would I would go do a warm up just 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:08.200 you know. And this is more. When I got older, 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.080 my body started failing on me, my back issues and 0:04:11.200 --> 0:04:13.640 things like that. But just I get on a bike, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.200 I'd warm up, do a few stretches, exercises, have somebody 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.360 you know, kind of pushed me a little bit, and 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.880 and then I would go get into my ratio form. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:29.799 But it was left leg, right leg, left sock, superstitious, 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:32.080 you know. I mean you could look at it that way. 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:33.720 I think you could look at it that way. I 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:35.919 didn't look at that way. But I'm gonna tell you 0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.200 what right now, if I have somebody, like if my 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:40.279 crew chief walked in, he's like, hey man, what about 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:44.960 I mean, put my hang on one second come back. 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.880 So I did not want to mess up the routine. 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:52.520 You know. I wasn't about like lucky pennies and like 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:57.120 a baseball player almost. I mean some like like like 0:04:57.120 --> 0:05:01.680 like eat all your yeah, like if you were like 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:04.360 if you were a former picture like like backstage Joe. 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:09.479 Backstage is a former picture who they knew he would 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.599 eat fries and they would do various things with those figs. 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:19.720 He still hadn't had because you know, you know, the 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:24.760 fries had more to do than his actual velocity of 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:30.640 arm strength. It was, of course no skill. And now 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.880 he has so much you know, like post traumatic that 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.680 it carries over and like we can't we have to 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:37.679 have certain meetings and we have to have certain post 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:44.520 games and because the backstage, so yeah, man, that you 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:49.599 know that that so that so that that became a 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.760 place for me to just kind of get relaxed. So 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:57.080 that routine, in that superstitition actually was a time for 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:59.840 you to kind of reset to it. Okay, we're done 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.000 at the the sponsorships. Now we're in race mode. You 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:06.280 still gotta go out and do driver introduction, but I'm 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:12.920 just saying it's after driving introductions. The best thing that 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:16.240 would happen was, and my wife would even tell you, 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.960 like when her and my kids were there, because you 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.200 know NASCAR, that's a cool thing about NASCAR's you get 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.320 to interact with him right right until the time you 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:26.119 get in the car. It's cool, and it's not cool 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:31.440 because you know, you're you are in this game mode. Yeah, man, 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:33.880 I'm I'm wound up. Whether the day before went good 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:36.919 or whatever our situation is. I could not wait to 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:39.320 get in that car. I mean, like like it could 0:06:39.360 --> 0:06:42.080 be a hundred degrees outside. I'm sweating my butt off, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:43.880 but I'm like, get me in the car because i 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:46.440 just want to get in there and get the helmet on, 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:50.280 get strapped in and just truly get into that place. 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:53.479 And and that was if I miss anything now that 0:06:53.520 --> 0:06:56.240 I'm not racing, it's those moments like you get in 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.120 there and the anticipation of getting the green flag and 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.480 going racing and competing against uh, you know, some of 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:04.920 the best out there. That and and with a great team, 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.320 the great car that was. That was a cool thing 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:11.400 to experience. Talking about getting in the mind frame, I've 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.360 always wanted to ask a guy, especially because I know 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:20.440 you've had some rivals. Now, I've watched you drivers sometimes 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:25.000 y'all hold me back, hold me back, man. I see 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.120 you guys go after it. But I gotta ask you too, though, 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.560 like have you like gotten to that fight mode? I'm 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:43.720 off and then you you forget to unbuckle, I melt 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:51.320 or you still got the harness damn harness. We get 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:53.600 made fun of because we leave our helmets on. Like 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.640 you get out of the car so fast that if 0:07:57.640 --> 0:07:59.080 you gotta get in a fight, you gotta take your 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.880 helmet office Like, yeah, I probably shouldn't, but I mean 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:06.840 at one time I did. I've I've flipped over. Uh 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:10.400 car was upside down, and especially in a stock car 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:12.920 went it's upside down that you have an oil tank 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.560 behind you and and there's hot oil pouring out that thing, 0:08:16.600 --> 0:08:18.400 and you're gonna, I need to get hell out of here. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:22.360 And and so you're laying upside down and you're like, Okay, 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.040 I know I shouldn't be taking my belts up. I 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:25.200 really want to get out of I bet I can 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.800 get out of here. And you do it. Bad mistake 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:32.880 because as soon as you unbuckled, you go, you go 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.640 straight to the roof your whole body. You don't wait, 0:08:36.040 --> 0:08:40.160 and the belts have enough straps and things where usually 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:43.640 it's gonna catch on something. So now not only are 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:48.160 you hanging, but you can't get undone. And oh it's scary, 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:50.680 you know, it's it's like God, that wasn't very smart 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:55.240 and so I tipped over. Um it was a slow 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.520 roll at Daytona. Wasn't a bad accent, but it did 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.080 go upside down. But I ended up upside down and 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.520 so undid the belts. I was like, that was stupid. 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.080 They finally got the car right side up and I 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:08.040 got the belts off of me, but I've taken my 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:11.960 gloves off. And that was the really big mistake because 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:14.559 as I climbed out, I didn't realize sheet metal had 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.000 been all torn up and it just sliced my finger. 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.040 So I get out of the car and they're like, 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.960 oh blood, you know. Immediately they're calling, you know, people over. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:26.120 I'm like, no, no, no, it's just my finger, man, 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.640 I just I just cut my finger. It's not kind 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.959 of great thing. It was embarrassing, but it's like, oh yeah, 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:38.079 leave the gloves on. So what does what is uh 0:09:38.400 --> 0:09:44.560 a NASCAR rival mean to Jeff Gordon? Um, well, it's funny. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.360 It means something different to me now right now that 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:52.200 I do TV man, we need rivals. Yes, it's like 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:54.960 I totally when I was in it. When I was 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:59.319 you know, like I had arrival with Dale Earnhardt and 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.480 and he played it up good. I mean he he 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:03.440 that he was a master that and me. I was 0:10:03.480 --> 0:10:05.880 just like, I don't want to have anything to do 0:10:05.920 --> 0:10:07.560 with that. I just I just want to go out 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.760 and do my job. I don't want to get distracted. 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:11.760 He's just trying to mess with me and getting my head, 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:14.880 get an advantage or you know, the media is gonna 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.920 gonna take something and then I'm gonna have to answer 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.520 those questions and deal. I don't want to do that. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.520 I just want to race. And I probably I wish 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.800 I'd have played into a little bit more because I realized, 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.000 you know that the fans, what they love so much 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.880 is they, like you mentioned earlier, they love to love somebody, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.480 that love to hate somebody, and they love it when 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.600 there's a rivalry. It just it just builds more interest 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:42.120 and gives people way more. The personal aspect of it, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:46.240 the human aspect of it is sometimes more entertaining than 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.640 the actual race. And we had to I mean, we 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.040 had to fight this past weekend on on Saturday, not 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.240 in the Sunday race. Saturday race, man, That's all we 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:56.800 showed on Sunday was these two guys swinging, going at it. 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:04.000 They swing votes, good nest questions. Wasn't intentionally amiss, you know, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.000 I mean you you connect with somebody, you getting suspended. 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.480 You you know you get you probably won't be the 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:13.040 next the next week. Yeah, if if they see you 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:17.280 make make contact by throwing a fist, you're you're gonna 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.000 you can you can wreck a guy like I've done. Unfortunately, 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.679 you can do a lot of things, but man, you 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.240 can't swing and hit it out. So what about would 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.360 you get suspended for open palm slap since you can't 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.920 love it, since you can't punch. That's a good smart ask, 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.199 the smart way to get around if you still keep 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.120 the helmet on, like you can still smack somebody hard 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.080 enough and then well there's that right slapping competitions. But 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:48.079 you can shove and you can talk smack, but I 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.200 don't think you could hit him in any No, open 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:57.560 open palm is disrespectful. Of course you'd say that dudes 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:01.160 your locker room backhand somebody in the locker room. It's 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:05.800 intentionally disrespect you in the locker room. In the locker room, 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:07.640 you can do all you want. So is it fighting 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.320 in Ah, Well, you gotta understand the locker room. That's 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.960 that's usually just like the locker room to us would 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.920 be like at the airport getting ready to leave. They 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.600 don't really have a locker room. Yeah, it's it's you know, 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:21.200 you have your own individual trailer. But if somebody walked 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.640 up into your trailer and punch you are that's that's 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:29.000 so I want to revisit you backhanding people in your 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.280 locker Why would you backhand somebody? I mean you're getting 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:34.200 you're getting a little tussle with some one and um 0:12:34.200 --> 0:12:37.720 not gonna punch because if first of all, if I'm punching, 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.320 then there's you know, we really into it. But open 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:45.240 for me? Why I was right, open palm is all disrespectful, 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:51.240 but a backhand and that's like some old school like backhand, 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.120 And so you wanted to show your disrespect, but you 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.520 don't want to actually get into a real No, let 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:00.640 me see. This is what you explain. You miss it. 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:05.000 If I back hand you, I'm going back hand the right. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:08.120 So what comes next is when I back here, you're 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.320 gonna come back, and that's what you're gonna catch that 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:20.560 two pieces. This is how you orchestrate fight. Everybody goes, 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.600 did he just back hand you? Yes? I did? Is 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:26.040 that like a player? And then here's the problem. When 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.640 he realizes he got back hand, he's gonna say he 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:31.960 hit me, like oh, and then he's going to approach, 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:36.760 and then that's on the goes very quickly. Yeah, I'm bare. 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.520 This is this is smoke one on one. First of all, 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.679 if I back here, I have no respect for you, clearly, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.400 clearly no. I mean I don't really think that's a 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:53.319 respectable type reading if you're back hand someone. Oh yeah, 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.040 he respect the hell out of him. I've that there's 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:59.680 a point. I never thought of it that way. I 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.960 never once thought it was like a warm greedi. I 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:05.880 might just be mad at him. It doesn't mean I 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.880 disrespect him. But if I backhand you, yeah, I just 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:13.560 quite an education here on backhand versus open palm versus. 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.360 Let me tell you something, anytime you're about to fight 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:21.280 somebody and an open palm is done, it's not gonna go. Well. 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:27.160 So all right, Um, so we've digressed. But um I 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.240 really want to talk about, which I think is really cool. 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:39.160 You've had poles, which is unbelievable. Um, what what's the 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:47.720 key to getting a pole? And when is the pole captured? Again? 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.960 I know some of this stuff, but then I'm kind 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.280 of like, I get I get the opportunity to talk 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:55.640 to you. Great, and you are you have done and 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:01.479 doing commentary and analyst work, but you also know exactly 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:06.040 what these individuals are trying to accomplish. Yeah, well, first, 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:11.840 let's established there's no actual physical pole. We may even 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:14.360 start from the begin soone may not even know what 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:19.280 the so and and I think pole position goes back 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.000 to like horse racing, where where there's like, you know, 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:28.440 the pole is the other side jobs that require I 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.680 appreciate you clarified. You said like that goes back to 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:37.240 I was like, yeah, horse racing, Okay, okay, cool. Well 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:41.480 I think it may all come full circle in some forms. 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:46.240 But I see what you did. I see what you did. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:54.200 Isn't that very thorough British? Let's but but but winning 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:59.560 the pole position or being the fastest qualifier. Um, yeah, 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:03.080 I think obviously you know, the ne thing about racing 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:07.600 is it's a team sport. But but it's it's machine. 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.280 The machine is the athlete is the way I look 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:14.120 at it, right, like like people debate whether race car 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.400 drivers are athletes. And and don't get me wrong, you 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:20.080 gotta be in in in very good physical shape, a 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.040 different type of shape than to say like you had 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.760 to be for for football, but you gotta be in 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:27.720 good shape. But the race car, that's what I want 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.160 to be the thoroughbread. I want that race car, you know, 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:33.600 to have just a little more down force, a little 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.080 less drag, a little more horsepower, just a little more 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:40.360 grip than anybody else out there. Now, if if you know, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.840 if all things were equal, which they're not, I'm sorry, 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.400 it's just not the case. It's just racing one oh 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.040 one the way it's been forever. Somebody's going to engineer 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.720 something to make one car a little bit better than 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.760 the next. And NASCAR does an excellent job at at 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:01.000 at trying to create parody and and all the different 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:06.080 ways that they measure the car and and and you know, 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:09.920 inspect the car. Great job. But still there's always gonna 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.320 be a way to try to get around that. And 0:17:12.400 --> 0:17:15.880 so you know, on that day where you go to qualify, 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.399 it's it's that machine and it's you, and you're just 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:21.760 pushing it to the absolute limit of what that car 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:25.280 is capable of doing. And you know, if you do 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:27.399 it right, then you're gonna be the fastest one and 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:30.000 you're gonna win the pole position. And and if you. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.800 If you mess it up, you're either gonna say, Okay, 0:17:32.880 --> 0:17:35.760 I I didn't get all of it or the car 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.919 wasn't capable of more than I got. And so I 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:41.320 would you know, I I like to qualify. I love 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.120 being out there on that single lap just pushing it. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.119 And I was I was always known to be a 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:48.720 driver that that drove you know what we say, deep 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:51.520 into the corner. So there's a lift point that every 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.359 race track is not Daytona or Talladega, but on all 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:56.199 the other tracks is this lift point of where you 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:58.120 get in there. You might use break not use break, 0:17:58.160 --> 0:18:01.040 depend on the track and corner size and everything, and 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.119 you just want to carry as much speed in there, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.199 but you really want to get back to the throttle 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.400 and carry all the speed through the center and all 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.399 back onto the next straight away. So you know, I 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.480 love that challenge, man, I mean I just did. To me. 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.640 That's that's the purity of being a race car driver. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.720 So why why is the pole position so important? Well 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.000 because a couple of things. One is, it gives you 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.760 the starting position to lead the field. You should be 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:24.960 able to lead the field, um, you know, your side 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.720 by side. So there's a chance that you might not, 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:29.800 but gives you the best opportunity. Plus it allows you 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.960 to get a better pitch stall, So so where your 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.480 picker is going to do their work. If you're the 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.880 pole positioner, if you're you know, if you're number one 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.640 on the grid, you get to pick where you want 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:43.640 to be first. So it gives it has an advantaged 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.720 throughout the entire race. And as as soon as I ask, 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.200 it's all about, is what tiny advantage can you get 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.760 every single time? My starting position, where my where my 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:56.000 pit is. The modifications you make on your car is 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.560 Nascar is almost like a game of interest. And and 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.320 you know we talked about clean in in racing, and 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.680 what that means is if you're the first car, all 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:07.240 the air that's seeing your car, you know, it's there's 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:12.080 nothing disrupting, it's seeing your car first. Okay, so it's 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.040 attaching itself giving you the best performance. As soon as 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.920 you're the next one back, that air is doing all this, 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.680 it's just dancing all of the place. Yeah, so it's 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.760 like getting in a jet wash of an airplane and 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.639 and you know they're just it's not going to attach 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.520 itself to your car. And so you are already at 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:34.200 a disadvantage. Now, if you're five ten cars back haul 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.600 like you got nothing, You've got no air getting to 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.760 your car. Um just random now just made me think, 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.760 do you believe NASCAR will transform talking about clean their act, 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:47.440 my climate change, just my thoughts when you said that, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:52.600 do you believe NASCAR would transform itself into electric vehicle racing? 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.960 One day? They'll have to? I mean, you know, you know, 0:19:56.080 --> 0:19:58.600 I think NASCAR plans to be around for a long time. 0:19:58.640 --> 0:20:00.280 A while of the race teams plan to be around 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:02.760 for a long time. And you see where the future 0:20:02.840 --> 0:20:06.960 is going in in automobiles. Um, so it's happen. It's 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:11.480 happening now. Um you know, is it electric? Is it? 0:20:11.560 --> 0:20:16.560 Is it? It's just something something that is even supercharge 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:21.760 as something that's more sustainable though, But and no, I wasn't. 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.120 I wasn't asking like higher level I was asking bare 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.919 bones you believe, well, electric cars because a lot of 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:30.119 what we do is driven by the O. E. M. S. Right, 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:34.520 And so if they're oh that that I said, but 0:20:34.520 --> 0:20:36.919 I really just like I don't really think basically the 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:41.720 manufacturer of the vehicle, so so Chevallet and Ford and Toyota, 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:45.560 um or any other manufacturer that wants coming to NASCAR. 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:50.000 If they say, listen, electric vehicles is our future. That's 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:51.959 what we're gonna be building. We need to find a 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.560 path to introduce that to NASCAR. Then it's going to happen. 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.800 You know. I think there's already discussions about it. But 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:02.639 I think that what you're gonna see is similar to 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:05.640 what we've seen in Formula One. Yeah. Now there's an 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.320 all electric Formula Series out there right now, and what 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:12.000 they do is they swap cars. It's crazy. So they 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.240 start in one car and run that thing to the 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:18.479 batteries Outum, come in and get into another car. And 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.200 then now I heard that this year they're gonna have 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:24.480 one car with one battery. But it's all about managing 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:28.120 the power throughout the whole race. So like you might say, hey, 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.960 right now, I'm gonna use my battery to pass these 0:21:32.000 --> 0:21:34.200 two cars ahead of me, but then I'm going to 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:38.960 have less later and right now I'm just talking about 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:41.800 the one car. But yeah, this series, it's called Formula 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.720 When they started, you had two cars because they couldn't 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:50.040 run long enough because it took so much because you speed. Exactly, 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.600 I have an electric car, so That's why I was asking, Yeah, 0:21:53.800 --> 0:21:55.879 so what but what's gonna happen? I think and what 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:58.960 we've seen in Formula one where they introduce electric motor 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:01.679 just for boost, right, just for extra power, just to 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:04.520 help the car accelerate off the corner. And now you're 0:22:04.560 --> 0:22:08.720 starting to see Ferraris and other cars that have pource. 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:11.480 Ferrari has this in it that makes the car actually 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.719 perform better. So you take a gas powered engine and 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:17.920 the electric power. I think that's what you're gonna see 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:22.159 NASCAR do initially. Whenever that time comes, they'll probably just 0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.280 have some kind of electric motor and it might be 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:28.840 a boost to pass right too that you get to 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.119 use so much of it throughout the race. Maybe it 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:36.880 regeneralizes the extra you earn it like yeah, oh yeah, 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.399 yeah not fan vote or or you're like, hey you 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:46.119 gotta win two replays. Yeah, I mean there's some of that. 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:48.920 So I think it's gonna Now I will tell you this, 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.280 if we ever go all electric, the thing I'm going 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.560 to push the hardest for is that it's got to 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.720 make some kind of sound, right, like, like I don't 0:22:57.720 --> 0:23:00.800 want to hear the hissing and whistling of of the 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:05.280 drive train or the electric motor winding up. Uh, there's 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:09.600 there's technology out there right now for electric vehicles. Um, 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:12.760 you know that make their own amplified sound. Just make 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.879 it sound cool whatever it is. You know, if Chevrolet 0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:18.960 or Ford or Toyota says, okay, we're going on electric, 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.240