Speaker 1: This is cut to it with Steve Smith Senior at
Speaker 1: production of The Black Effect and I Heart Radio. I'm
Speaker 1: Steve Smith Senior and I'm ger a little John, and
Speaker 1: this is cut to it. Good do it? Good do
Speaker 1: what that's getting down to? Do it? Good do it.
Speaker 1: We asked the questions you always want to know, but
Speaker 1: no one ever asked, let's cut to it. You ain't
Speaker 1: heard him about it, then we're about to let you know.
Speaker 1: It's all. I like to drive. I do not like
Speaker 1: to sit. I used to be moving. Jeff Gordon the
Speaker 1: retired driver of the number twenty four car. He's a
Speaker 1: four time NASCAR Cup Series champion and he has the
Speaker 1: third most wins in NASCAR history. Right now, he's a
Speaker 1: Fox Sports analyst. Let's talk both. But um, you know football,
Speaker 1: so let's let's talk gears. There you go. So in
Speaker 1: talking these gears, we're gonna be okay with showing the
Speaker 1: lack of understanding. We haven't And for the listeners that
Speaker 1: may be dumb questions, but there's never a dumb question.
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta, you gotta school me and Smith.
Speaker 1: But there are some dumb questions. Yeah, they're really I
Speaker 1: just imagine imagine NASCAR one oh one, and you're the professor. Yes, OK,
Speaker 1: here we go. I'll try. I'm not a professor, but
Speaker 1: I told you how that I was in school for us,
Speaker 1: you are opportunity. Since yeah, did you have a routine
Speaker 1: while driving? If so, what was that routine? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: mean I think a routine is so important, but we're
Speaker 1: talking about driving a car though, well, I'm probably talking
Speaker 1: about routine of prepping in the car. That's what I yeah,
Speaker 1: see that's what yeah, I mean to me, And you
Speaker 1: have to understand and and I'm I'm ignorant to to
Speaker 1: you know what your day would have looked like on
Speaker 1: on game day, but on race day it's you. You're
Speaker 1: with sponsors and fans, and you know, you're interacting with
Speaker 1: all these different people from the time you get up
Speaker 1: in the morning on race day. That's just part of it, man,
Speaker 1: I mean it's I would be well, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was hours, but you're you would
Speaker 1: go to three to four different hospitalities, suites or or
Speaker 1: you know at the at the race haller meeting five
Speaker 1: ten people that were somehow connected to one of the
Speaker 1: sponsors on your so you every morning that so so
Speaker 1: at first it was like, man, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: got to do all this stuff before I go get
Speaker 1: in the race car. But then becomes part of your routine.
Speaker 1: You just got to get into the mental place of
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to the people, but like I'm talking,
Speaker 1: they're talking through me. Whatever it was, I mean, it
Speaker 1: was hard for it to actually penetrate because I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: what that car is gonna feel like, you know, turn one. Okay,
Speaker 1: we made these adjustments from practice. So the whole time
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that, but I'm interacting and I'm putting
Speaker 1: on a smile and I'm shaking hands and taking that
Speaker 1: by itself. It took it took a long time to
Speaker 1: really get comfortable with with doing that. And then and
Speaker 1: then you go to what they call the you know,
Speaker 1: the driver's meeting, which is basically a bunch of sponsors
Speaker 1: and your dignitaries or whatever that are there. You're really
Speaker 1: not they're learning. It's not like they're saying, hey, here's
Speaker 1: how you're gonna drive the race today. I mean, you
Speaker 1: already had that out, all figured out. Race you know
Speaker 1: what a clutches But it was a big left turn.
Speaker 1: But but what I what really became part of my
Speaker 1: routine later was was from that moment, from the time
Speaker 1: you finally got away from all of the distractions, was
Speaker 1: I would I would go do a warm up just
Speaker 1: you know. And this is more. When I got older,
Speaker 1: my body started failing on me, my back issues and
Speaker 1: things like that. But just I get on a bike,
Speaker 1: I'd warm up, do a few stretches, exercises, have somebody
Speaker 1: you know, kind of pushed me a little bit, and
Speaker 1: and then I would go get into my ratio form.
Speaker 1: But it was left leg, right leg, left sock, superstitious,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean you could look at it that way.
Speaker 1: I think you could look at it that way. I
Speaker 1: didn't look at that way. But I'm gonna tell you
Speaker 1: what right now, if I have somebody, like if my
Speaker 1: crew chief walked in, he's like, hey man, what about
Speaker 1: I mean, put my hang on one second come back.
Speaker 1: So I did not want to mess up the routine.
Speaker 1: You know. I wasn't about like lucky pennies and like
Speaker 1: a baseball player almost. I mean some like like like
Speaker 1: like eat all your yeah, like if you were like
Speaker 1: if you were a former picture like like backstage Joe.
Speaker 1: Backstage is a former picture who they knew he would
Speaker 1: eat fries and they would do various things with those figs.
Speaker 1: He still hadn't had because you know, you know, the
Speaker 1: fries had more to do than his actual velocity of
Speaker 1: arm strength. It was, of course no skill. And now
Speaker 1: he has so much you know, like post traumatic that
Speaker 1: it carries over and like we can't we have to
Speaker 1: have certain meetings and we have to have certain post
Speaker 1: games and because the backstage, so yeah, man, that you
Speaker 1: know that that so that so that that became a
Speaker 1: place for me to just kind of get relaxed. So
Speaker 1: that routine, in that superstitition actually was a time for
Speaker 1: you to kind of reset to it. Okay, we're done
Speaker 1: at the the sponsorships. Now we're in race mode. You
Speaker 1: still gotta go out and do driver introduction, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it's after driving introductions. The best thing that
Speaker 1: would happen was, and my wife would even tell you,
Speaker 1: like when her and my kids were there, because you
Speaker 1: know NASCAR, that's a cool thing about NASCAR's you get
Speaker 1: to interact with him right right until the time you
Speaker 1: get in the car. It's cool, and it's not cool
Speaker 1: because you know, you're you are in this game mode. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm wound up. Whether the day before went good
Speaker 1: or whatever our situation is. I could not wait to
Speaker 1: get in that car. I mean, like like it could
Speaker 1: be a hundred degrees outside. I'm sweating my butt off,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, get me in the car because i
Speaker 1: just want to get in there and get the helmet on,
Speaker 1: get strapped in and just truly get into that place.
Speaker 1: And and that was if I miss anything now that
Speaker 1: I'm not racing, it's those moments like you get in
Speaker 1: there and the anticipation of getting the green flag and
Speaker 1: going racing and competing against uh, you know, some of
Speaker 1: the best out there. That and and with a great team,
Speaker 1: the great car that was. That was a cool thing
Speaker 1: to experience. Talking about getting in the mind frame, I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to ask a guy, especially because I know
Speaker 1: you've had some rivals. Now, I've watched you drivers sometimes
Speaker 1: y'all hold me back, hold me back, man. I see
Speaker 1: you guys go after it. But I gotta ask you too, though,
Speaker 1: like have you like gotten to that fight mode? I'm
Speaker 1: off and then you you forget to unbuckle, I melt
Speaker 1: or you still got the harness damn harness. We get
Speaker 1: made fun of because we leave our helmets on. Like
Speaker 1: you get out of the car so fast that if
Speaker 1: you gotta get in a fight, you gotta take your
Speaker 1: helmet office Like, yeah, I probably shouldn't, but I mean
Speaker 1: at one time I did. I've I've flipped over. Uh
Speaker 1: car was upside down, and especially in a stock car
Speaker 1: went it's upside down that you have an oil tank
Speaker 1: behind you and and there's hot oil pouring out that thing,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna, I need to get hell out of here.
Speaker 1: And and so you're laying upside down and you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I know I shouldn't be taking my belts up. I
Speaker 1: really want to get out of I bet I can
Speaker 1: get out of here. And you do it. Bad mistake
Speaker 1: because as soon as you unbuckled, you go, you go
Speaker 1: straight to the roof your whole body. You don't wait,
Speaker 1: and the belts have enough straps and things where usually
Speaker 1: it's gonna catch on something. So now not only are
Speaker 1: you hanging, but you can't get undone. And oh it's scary,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's like God, that wasn't very smart
Speaker 1: and so I tipped over. Um it was a slow
Speaker 1: roll at Daytona. Wasn't a bad accent, but it did
Speaker 1: go upside down. But I ended up upside down and
Speaker 1: so undid the belts. I was like, that was stupid.
Speaker 1: They finally got the car right side up and I
Speaker 1: got the belts off of me, but I've taken my
Speaker 1: gloves off. And that was the really big mistake because
Speaker 1: as I climbed out, I didn't realize sheet metal had
Speaker 1: been all torn up and it just sliced my finger.
Speaker 1: So I get out of the car and they're like,
Speaker 1: oh blood, you know. Immediately they're calling, you know, people over.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, it's just my finger, man,
Speaker 1: I just I just cut my finger. It's not kind
Speaker 1: of great thing. It was embarrassing, but it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: leave the gloves on. So what does what is uh
Speaker 1: a NASCAR rival mean to Jeff Gordon? Um, well, it's funny.
Speaker 1: It means something different to me now right now that
Speaker 1: I do TV man, we need rivals. Yes, it's like
Speaker 1: I totally when I was in it. When I was
Speaker 1: you know, like I had arrival with Dale Earnhardt and
Speaker 1: and he played it up good. I mean he he
Speaker 1: that he was a master that and me. I was
Speaker 1: just like, I don't want to have anything to do
Speaker 1: with that. I just I just want to go out
Speaker 1: and do my job. I don't want to get distracted.
Speaker 1: He's just trying to mess with me and getting my head,
Speaker 1: get an advantage or you know, the media is gonna
Speaker 1: gonna take something and then I'm gonna have to answer
Speaker 1: those questions and deal. I don't want to do that.
Speaker 1: I just want to race. And I probably I wish
Speaker 1: I'd have played into a little bit more because I realized,
Speaker 1: you know that the fans, what they love so much
Speaker 1: is they, like you mentioned earlier, they love to love somebody,
Speaker 1: that love to hate somebody, and they love it when
Speaker 1: there's a rivalry. It just it just builds more interest
Speaker 1: and gives people way more. The personal aspect of it,
Speaker 1: the human aspect of it is sometimes more entertaining than
Speaker 1: the actual race. And we had to I mean, we
Speaker 1: had to fight this past weekend on on Saturday, not
Speaker 1: in the Sunday race. Saturday race, man, That's all we
Speaker 1: showed on Sunday was these two guys swinging, going at it.
Speaker 1: They swing votes, good nest questions. Wasn't intentionally amiss, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean you you connect with somebody, you getting suspended.
Speaker 1: You you know you get you probably won't be the
Speaker 1: next the next week. Yeah, if if they see you
Speaker 1: make make contact by throwing a fist, you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: you can you can wreck a guy like I've done. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: you can do a lot of things, but man, you
Speaker 1: can't swing and hit it out. So what about would
Speaker 1: you get suspended for open palm slap since you can't
Speaker 1: love it, since you can't punch. That's a good smart ask,
Speaker 1: the smart way to get around if you still keep
Speaker 1: the helmet on, like you can still smack somebody hard
Speaker 1: enough and then well there's that right slapping competitions. But
Speaker 1: you can shove and you can talk smack, but I
Speaker 1: don't think you could hit him in any No, open
Speaker 1: open palm is disrespectful. Of course you'd say that dudes
Speaker 1: your locker room backhand somebody in the locker room. It's
Speaker 1: intentionally disrespect you in the locker room. In the locker room,
Speaker 1: you can do all you want. So is it fighting
Speaker 1: in Ah, Well, you gotta understand the locker room. That's
Speaker 1: that's usually just like the locker room to us would
Speaker 1: be like at the airport getting ready to leave. They
Speaker 1: don't really have a locker room. Yeah, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: you have your own individual trailer. But if somebody walked
Speaker 1: up into your trailer and punch you are that's that's
Speaker 1: so I want to revisit you backhanding people in your
Speaker 1: locker Why would you backhand somebody? I mean you're getting
Speaker 1: you're getting a little tussle with some one and um
Speaker 1: not gonna punch because if first of all, if I'm punching,
Speaker 1: then there's you know, we really into it. But open
Speaker 1: for me? Why I was right, open palm is all disrespectful,
Speaker 1: but a backhand and that's like some old school like backhand,
Speaker 1: And so you wanted to show your disrespect, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to actually get into a real No, let
Speaker 1: me see. This is what you explain. You miss it.
Speaker 1: If I back hand you, I'm going back hand the right.
Speaker 1: So what comes next is when I back here, you're
Speaker 1: gonna come back, and that's what you're gonna catch that
Speaker 1: two pieces. This is how you orchestrate fight. Everybody goes,
Speaker 1: did he just back hand you? Yes? I did? Is
Speaker 1: that like a player? And then here's the problem. When
Speaker 1: he realizes he got back hand, he's gonna say he
Speaker 1: hit me, like oh, and then he's going to approach,
Speaker 1: and then that's on the goes very quickly. Yeah, I'm bare.
Speaker 1: This is this is smoke one on one. First of all,
Speaker 1: if I back here, I have no respect for you, clearly,
Speaker 1: clearly no. I mean I don't really think that's a
Speaker 1: respectable type reading if you're back hand someone. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he respect the hell out of him. I've that there's
Speaker 1: a point. I never thought of it that way. I
Speaker 1: never once thought it was like a warm greedi. I
Speaker 1: might just be mad at him. It doesn't mean I
Speaker 1: disrespect him. But if I backhand you, yeah, I just
Speaker 1: quite an education here on backhand versus open palm versus.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, anytime you're about to fight
Speaker 1: somebody and an open palm is done, it's not gonna go. Well.
Speaker 1: So all right, Um, so we've digressed. But um I
Speaker 1: really want to talk about, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 1: You've had poles, which is unbelievable. Um, what what's the
Speaker 1: key to getting a pole? And when is the pole captured? Again?
Speaker 1: I know some of this stuff, but then I'm kind
Speaker 1: of like, I get I get the opportunity to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Great, and you are you have done and
Speaker 1: doing commentary and analyst work, but you also know exactly
Speaker 1: what these individuals are trying to accomplish. Yeah, well, first,
Speaker 1: let's established there's no actual physical pole. We may even
Speaker 1: start from the begin soone may not even know what
Speaker 1: the so and and I think pole position goes back
Speaker 1: to like horse racing, where where there's like, you know,
Speaker 1: the pole is the other side jobs that require I
Speaker 1: appreciate you clarified. You said like that goes back to
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, horse racing, Okay, okay, cool. Well
Speaker 1: I think it may all come full circle in some forms.
Speaker 1: But I see what you did. I see what you did.
Speaker 1: Isn't that very thorough British? Let's but but but winning
Speaker 1: the pole position or being the fastest qualifier. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think obviously you know, the ne thing about racing
Speaker 1: is it's a team sport. But but it's it's machine.
Speaker 1: The machine is the athlete is the way I look
Speaker 1: at it, right, like like people debate whether race car
Speaker 1: drivers are athletes. And and don't get me wrong, you
Speaker 1: gotta be in in in very good physical shape, a
Speaker 1: different type of shape than to say like you had
Speaker 1: to be for for football, but you gotta be in
Speaker 1: good shape. But the race car, that's what I want
Speaker 1: to be the thoroughbread. I want that race car, you know,
Speaker 1: to have just a little more down force, a little
Speaker 1: less drag, a little more horsepower, just a little more
Speaker 1: grip than anybody else out there. Now, if if you know,
Speaker 1: if all things were equal, which they're not, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just not the case. It's just racing one oh
Speaker 1: one the way it's been forever. Somebody's going to engineer
Speaker 1: something to make one car a little bit better than
Speaker 1: the next. And NASCAR does an excellent job at at
Speaker 1: at trying to create parody and and all the different
Speaker 1: ways that they measure the car and and and you know,
Speaker 1: inspect the car. Great job. But still there's always gonna
Speaker 1: be a way to try to get around that. And
Speaker 1: so you know, on that day where you go to qualify,
Speaker 1: it's it's that machine and it's you, and you're just
Speaker 1: pushing it to the absolute limit of what that car
Speaker 1: is capable of doing. And you know, if you do
Speaker 1: it right, then you're gonna be the fastest one and
Speaker 1: you're gonna win the pole position. And and if you.
Speaker 1: If you mess it up, you're either gonna say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I I didn't get all of it or the car
Speaker 1: wasn't capable of more than I got. And so I
Speaker 1: would you know, I I like to qualify. I love
Speaker 1: being out there on that single lap just pushing it.
Speaker 1: And I was I was always known to be a
Speaker 1: driver that that drove you know what we say, deep
Speaker 1: into the corner. So there's a lift point that every
Speaker 1: race track is not Daytona or Talladega, but on all
Speaker 1: the other tracks is this lift point of where you
Speaker 1: get in there. You might use break not use break,
Speaker 1: depend on the track and corner size and everything, and
Speaker 1: you just want to carry as much speed in there,
Speaker 1: but you really want to get back to the throttle
Speaker 1: and carry all the speed through the center and all
Speaker 1: back onto the next straight away. So you know, I
Speaker 1: love that challenge, man, I mean I just did. To me.
Speaker 1: That's that's the purity of being a race car driver.
Speaker 1: So why why is the pole position so important? Well
Speaker 1: because a couple of things. One is, it gives you
Speaker 1: the starting position to lead the field. You should be
Speaker 1: able to lead the field, um, you know, your side
Speaker 1: by side. So there's a chance that you might not,
Speaker 1: but gives you the best opportunity. Plus it allows you
Speaker 1: to get a better pitch stall, So so where your
Speaker 1: picker is going to do their work. If you're the
Speaker 1: pole positioner, if you're you know, if you're number one
Speaker 1: on the grid, you get to pick where you want
Speaker 1: to be first. So it gives it has an advantaged
Speaker 1: throughout the entire race. And as as soon as I ask,
Speaker 1: it's all about, is what tiny advantage can you get
Speaker 1: every single time? My starting position, where my where my
Speaker 1: pit is. The modifications you make on your car is
Speaker 1: Nascar is almost like a game of interest. And and
Speaker 1: you know we talked about clean in in racing, and
Speaker 1: what that means is if you're the first car, all
Speaker 1: the air that's seeing your car, you know, it's there's
Speaker 1: nothing disrupting, it's seeing your car first. Okay, so it's
Speaker 1: attaching itself giving you the best performance. As soon as
Speaker 1: you're the next one back, that air is doing all this,
Speaker 1: it's just dancing all of the place. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 1: like getting in a jet wash of an airplane and
Speaker 1: and you know they're just it's not going to attach
Speaker 1: itself to your car. And so you are already at
Speaker 1: a disadvantage. Now, if you're five ten cars back haul
Speaker 1: like you got nothing, You've got no air getting to
Speaker 1: your car. Um just random now just made me think,
Speaker 1: do you believe NASCAR will transform talking about clean their act,
Speaker 1: my climate change, just my thoughts when you said that,
Speaker 1: do you believe NASCAR would transform itself into electric vehicle racing?
Speaker 1: One day? They'll have to? I mean, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: I think NASCAR plans to be around for a long time.
Speaker 1: A while of the race teams plan to be around
Speaker 1: for a long time. And you see where the future
Speaker 1: is going in in automobiles. Um, so it's happen. It's
Speaker 1: happening now. Um you know, is it electric? Is it?
Speaker 1: Is it? It's just something something that is even supercharge
Speaker 1: as something that's more sustainable though, But and no, I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't asking like higher level I was asking bare
Speaker 1: bones you believe, well, electric cars because a lot of
Speaker 1: what we do is driven by the O. E. M. S. Right,
Speaker 1: And so if they're oh that that I said, but
Speaker 1: I really just like I don't really think basically the
Speaker 1: manufacturer of the vehicle, so so Chevallet and Ford and Toyota,
Speaker 1: um or any other manufacturer that wants coming to NASCAR.
Speaker 1: If they say, listen, electric vehicles is our future. That's
Speaker 1: what we're gonna be building. We need to find a
Speaker 1: path to introduce that to NASCAR. Then it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: You know. I think there's already discussions about it. But
Speaker 1: I think that what you're gonna see is similar to
Speaker 1: what we've seen in Formula One. Yeah. Now there's an
Speaker 1: all electric Formula Series out there right now, and what
Speaker 1: they do is they swap cars. It's crazy. So they
Speaker 1: start in one car and run that thing to the
Speaker 1: batteries Outum, come in and get into another car. And
Speaker 1: then now I heard that this year they're gonna have
Speaker 1: one car with one battery. But it's all about managing
Speaker 1: the power throughout the whole race. So like you might say, hey,
Speaker 1: right now, I'm gonna use my battery to pass these
Speaker 1: two cars ahead of me, but then I'm going to
Speaker 1: have less later and right now I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: the one car. But yeah, this series, it's called Formula
Speaker 1: When they started, you had two cars because they couldn't
Speaker 1: run long enough because it took so much because you speed. Exactly,
Speaker 1: I have an electric car, so That's why I was asking, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so what but what's gonna happen? I think and what
Speaker 1: we've seen in Formula one where they introduce electric motor
Speaker 1: just for boost, right, just for extra power, just to
Speaker 1: help the car accelerate off the corner. And now you're
Speaker 1: starting to see Ferraris and other cars that have pource.
Speaker 1: Ferrari has this in it that makes the car actually
Speaker 1: perform better. So you take a gas powered engine and
Speaker 1: the electric power. I think that's what you're gonna see
Speaker 1: NASCAR do initially. Whenever that time comes, they'll probably just
Speaker 1: have some kind of electric motor and it might be
Speaker 1: a boost to pass right too that you get to
Speaker 1: use so much of it throughout the race. Maybe it
Speaker 1: regeneralizes the extra you earn it like yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah not fan vote or or you're like, hey you
Speaker 1: gotta win two replays. Yeah, I mean there's some of that.
Speaker 1: So I think it's gonna Now I will tell you this,
Speaker 1: if we ever go all electric, the thing I'm going
Speaker 1: to push the hardest for is that it's got to
Speaker 1: make some kind of sound, right, like, like I don't
Speaker 1: want to hear the hissing and whistling of of the
Speaker 1: drive train or the electric motor winding up. Uh, there's
Speaker 1: there's technology out there right now for electric vehicles. Um,
Speaker 1: you know that make their own amplified sound. Just make
Speaker 1: it sound cool whatever it is. You know, if Chevrolet
Speaker 1: or Ford or Toyota says, okay, we're going on electric,
Speaker 1: no problem. But man, give me some cool sounding thing
Speaker 1: that that. When that car goes by, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say that's a v A. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: that's a kick ass sounding car. It just happens to
Speaker 1: be electric. We have to take a break and the
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Speaker 1: to school or whatever? Yeah, and nigga talking about I
Speaker 1: don't even know. I don't want to throw it out
Speaker 1: because I don't be really, I'll be here the record
Speaker 1: on the way to show them the radio y'all joint
Speaker 1: what they're doing. Man. But no, But I'm just different
Speaker 1: in the game in the morning and they talk about
Speaker 1: give me, I'm like, yo, let's get over there. But
Speaker 1: it's just different, man on the game is not the
Speaker 1: same man. I mean a lot of people that used
Speaker 1: to really care about the game, the Xex and all
Speaker 1: of that, they don't care no more. They care about YouTube,
Speaker 1: light blue likes and all of that. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not even about like talent, the more it's about lights
Speaker 1: and ship like the chick that glue the head. If
Speaker 1: this is coming out with a red niggers, get out
Speaker 1: my flesh, man. I if these thigg just get this
Speaker 1: this that got the blue tap to the head, y'all
Speaker 1: wowing man. She But you know that's what happens because
Speaker 1: it's fame that's how easy it is. Man. You back
Speaker 1: in the days you had to work for. We made man,
Speaker 1: We had to work for like when you no, I
Speaker 1: worked for talking with y'all. Right now it's twenty I
Speaker 1: put my first my first record out in five shoot
Speaker 1: that in twenty one. I'm talking to mother Bucky Steve Smith,
Speaker 1: nig Yes that big things. You already know that. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That love to the shout out
Speaker 1: said man, whatever, I'm cutting to it on, I'm cutting
Speaker 1: to it. I think what you're saying is it's the longevity,
Speaker 1: right like the Jays wrapping now's is still wrapping. They
Speaker 1: have longevity. They're still have the storytelling, they still have
Speaker 1: the history and the in and painting. How much of
Speaker 1: the game right now is? I hear exactly what you're saying. Though.
Speaker 1: The point is people are just taking advantage of that
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Yeah, microwave generation and yeah, instant noodles. Because
Speaker 1: but here's the thing, you though. Then they get and
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna name a person, but they take four
Speaker 1: years and they save up and they and they take
Speaker 1: all their money and they get a diamond impressed in
Speaker 1: their forehead. Oh man, we're just different ship. Yeah, it's different, right,
Speaker 1: it's different. It's different. It's different. It's different. Uh. Man,
Speaker 1: you know every time I've seen that, every time I
Speaker 1: see the Homeboy with that in his head, now I
Speaker 1: think about, you know, my man from the the the
Speaker 1: when the superhero ship pull that out of his head
Speaker 1: like the Avengers Vengers, like yo, that the Avenger joint
Speaker 1: in his head. That's crazy because just putting a Venger
Speaker 1: joints in their head, it's cool. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: these gold teeth man smoke this league. The moral of
Speaker 1: that story is, Man, it's his rock stars. You gotta
Speaker 1: forgetta remember now. Hey. But here's the thing though, because
Speaker 1: his rock stars don't don't leave no cabinet opening and
Speaker 1: hit your phone ahead. Oh don't need no cabin opening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's crazy than me. I love it. He giggled because
Speaker 1: he didn left him even left the cabinet door open
Speaker 1: and forgot it. But he don't have a comment in
Speaker 1: the middle of his forehead. Oh goodness, what happened to
Speaker 1: music videos? Man? I grew up watching jukebox, Oh man,
Speaker 1: or the basement. You're on TV jams? Yeah? What? Why?
Speaker 1: Why are music videos gone with them shows at right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well yeah, I don't know what those shows are either.
Speaker 1: But why what why you used to make a song.
Speaker 1: When you did a song, you had to follow up
Speaker 1: with a music video because if your music video, sometimes
Speaker 1: the music video would show your actual song. That's how people,
Speaker 1: that's how Yeah, Like so how how has it? I mean,
Speaker 1: if you don't mind breaking it down, like just really
Speaker 1: how the game has changed? The money? The money? Like
Speaker 1: cause because everyone thinks every rapper that has made it
Speaker 1: has that bag, and that's the case. There's a lot.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at Tony Braxton, you look at
Speaker 1: some of these some of these artists who's who have
Speaker 1: had multiple albums who later come out and they say, hey,
Speaker 1: a bad contract or the or the deal was not
Speaker 1: what I thought it was. Um then you and then
Speaker 1: you hear some were getting the yeah, and you hear
Speaker 1: some people they're talking about how you know going on
Speaker 1: tours the way you make your money. I just I
Speaker 1: just want to know, like how is it changing, how
Speaker 1: you know for the good and the bad or and
Speaker 1: why is all this stuff everybody thinks like like football,
Speaker 1: there's fifty three guys on the roster, but they're really
Speaker 1: only about twelve guys making bookoo. Then then the other
Speaker 1: forties something of them. Uh, they don't all right, you
Speaker 1: know they're they're they're doctors and lawyers, but but they
Speaker 1: they aren't multimillionaires that people assume they are. Now when
Speaker 1: nig is is, it's a different game, brother, Know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like we were in the game, we have
Speaker 1: to go to labels and get dells and fight boom
Speaker 1: and you know, now, like I said, it's like it's
Speaker 1: just giving out the money right now, whatever sticks to
Speaker 1: the wall bang. You know, That's how I look at
Speaker 1: I ain't even mad at saying this. But when you
Speaker 1: say they're giving the money, you know, not money, not
Speaker 1: using yourself as an example, but now you can use
Speaker 1: me an example. I'm saying that mistakes. No, No, I know,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about as far as like, what's what
Speaker 1: is you're saying they're giving money away? What's a lucrative
Speaker 1: deal that that you're hearing that that's out there? Oh,
Speaker 1: they're lucrative deal. They got the three sixties going on?
Speaker 1: You feel me? No, I don't know what's explained explain
Speaker 1: to us with you asked me, I'll feeling you I
Speaker 1: don't they're taking all your show money. They're give you
Speaker 1: the biggest shows because they're taking some of that money.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what it is. They give you
Speaker 1: budgets because they're geting their money at the see what
Speaker 1: the rectors do? You know, like like it always been,
Speaker 1: but I really ain't been in the industry, so I
Speaker 1: ain't really been in the game. Like I'm on label
Speaker 1: and all that. I know my own little routes that
Speaker 1: I'm taking the way to sell records and all of that.
Speaker 1: So it's like I'm I can explain. I really like
Speaker 1: when they're giving out these deals now three sixty, when
Speaker 1: they see three sixty, like I said, they're taking most
Speaker 1: of them. It's really like not like you're good. It's
Speaker 1: not like everything. It's like when you do shows, you
Speaker 1: don't you don't give you a label, the money, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. When you do you sell the
Speaker 1: merchandise you don't get. Don't get that money, I mean
Speaker 1: yours that's supposed to be you all day. But now
Speaker 1: they got Like I said, you might have to talk
Speaker 1: somebody else I know about the really to the three sexy,
Speaker 1: But like I said, I'm mean, I am in the
Speaker 1: game and about what the industry, industry, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I've been to my own runs doing my
Speaker 1: own thing, mown still popping in, but they ain't really
Speaker 1: like with a label and all of that song with
Speaker 1: my own label and my own you know, my own
Speaker 1: back and since when we's doing it. So but it's
Speaker 1: just like, Yo, the game is just mad different, man.
Speaker 1: I can't really explain it because I ain't really playing
Speaker 1: that game with them no more, you know. But like
Speaker 1: I said, on what you say, would you say that
Speaker 1: guys are in the rap game right now? Not everybody?
Speaker 1: You know. You're not talking about the Drakes, We're not
Speaker 1: talking about the Kendrick of Mars. You're not talking about
Speaker 1: the big guys. We're talking about the middle of the
Speaker 1: road guys. Right they're looking apart, but it doesn't always
Speaker 1: equal up to the park fast fast. That's a lot
Speaker 1: of line going on, a lot of front, a lot
Speaker 1: of bullshit, a lot of cloud chasing. We get it,
Speaker 1: we get it, but sometimes you gotta take it to
Speaker 1: make it. You know. That's so how long based off
Speaker 1: what you've experienced, guys that you you hung around with,
Speaker 1: the guys that you've seen or you've battled up against that,
Speaker 1: you realize even back then there was cloud chasing, but
Speaker 1: in the end they lost, Like how well what you know?
Speaker 1: And the reason I say that is in not naming
Speaker 1: no I got. I got exactly what you're saying, because
Speaker 1: we're spending money on their trash, sass and music in
Speaker 1: front like they bowling, and the records need selling, so
Speaker 1: then they ain't really getting the bag and spending the
Speaker 1: bag that they got from the whatever they got it from.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: niggas confront all day. They give me on the down
Speaker 1: and I'm a front hard body. Do what I do
Speaker 1: with my record don't sell and then ship don't really
Speaker 1: pop off. I mean the excightening is popping, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. If I actually making it happen to
Speaker 1: get that money back, I mean, it was all worth nothing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like you see what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like a nigga loan meeds some money to do what
Speaker 1: I gotta do, but I don't. I don't come through
Speaker 1: from him giving me that money. But I was frightened,
Speaker 1: like I was having it and doing it like bing,
Speaker 1: but it being and then he really turned out that way.
Speaker 1: Now I'm sitting on I'm sitting on the shelf looking crazy, right,
Speaker 1: you understand I'm saying, so that be from with the bag.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't really talk for that nigger,
Speaker 1: you know, I just doing that ship. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: every there's so much music out there. Yeah, it's really
Speaker 1: hard to know who's successful and who's nothing. And I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that now, the way that you consume,
Speaker 1: in the way that it's put out like this, the
Speaker 1: whole streaming platforms, it's it's a lot to choose from.
Speaker 1: But then I think also what both of y'all are
Speaker 1: saying is it seems like that's changed the game too,
Speaker 1: like the stream and be good or bad for for
Speaker 1: the music industry. Like you said, it's like it's both ways. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, it's good. That's good for me. I'm old
Speaker 1: nailing Tony what they got, the tunes, they got, the Spotify,
Speaker 1: you know, we use all of that. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's good. But then it's also bad because god damn, man,
Speaker 1: you get anybody can sell a record, kid, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: real like music that be hating Niggs music. I'm asking,
Speaker 1: I'm not want you, I'm not I'm asking because you
Speaker 1: just going back in the day, first of all, get
Speaker 1: popped upside the head if you want to more than
Speaker 1: one jukebox. Uh was that like the mail thing? No
Speaker 1: jukebox was back in the day. Juke box for for
Speaker 1: Cali dudes, was you watch television and you can for
Speaker 1: ninety nine or feels a feature, you call in and
Speaker 1: you request the box that music video or that song,
Speaker 1: right yeah, And that's how they do it now. With streaming,
Speaker 1: you just you just downloaded, you pay or whatever the
Speaker 1: case may be, and you can download whatever you want.
Speaker 1: And if it's a feature and it just comes out,
Speaker 1: you can download it early, you know, pay for it.
Speaker 1: And I just and I just see that things are different.
Speaker 1: They And so being an old school cat, you that
Speaker 1: have had a number of rectors, when somebody downloads it yours,
Speaker 1: you get the residual, but you capture back in the day,
Speaker 1: you were able to capture that information. Right now, it
Speaker 1: seems like the it seems like it's harder to understand
Speaker 1: how they capture it because it's so much well that
Speaker 1: twenty a month, I can get I can download as
Speaker 1: much as I want. You got peloton, right, I get
Speaker 1: on the peloton. I'm I'm running whatever. Right. It just
Speaker 1: seems it just seems as music has still stayed the
Speaker 1: same with expression, the way you can consume it around
Speaker 1: the world is different, right, It's all the strange, man.
Speaker 1: And and the question becomes what is the cost of
Speaker 1: a stream? And that's a that's an open ended question,
Speaker 1: but it goes it goes back to from an artist's perspective,
Speaker 1: like Mr Cheesus talking about like I'm sure you you
Speaker 1: knew back in the day. Alright, I'm selling the CD.
Speaker 1: I get it, I get a cut of the c D.
Speaker 1: But now it is it is very different in in
Speaker 1: the means of the streaming has just changed the way
Speaker 1: that people can hom and the way the people purchase. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a crazy game, brothers. You know, um I remember
Speaker 1: I just remember, like when you can buy an album,
Speaker 1: Remember you can buy an album, really enjoy an album.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, no, fact, you're don't fast forward no records.
Speaker 1: Those Yeah, it's a lost there's a lot of lost, man,
Speaker 1: But it's still out there though. Don't get it twisted
Speaker 1: because there's some good artists that's still got albums out,
Speaker 1: Like you know, she Loom got a new album out.
Speaker 1: She looke um uh froyd Fluss has got his underground
Speaker 1: should I love so much? You know what I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I saw, I just want to shut shout that up.
Speaker 1: Shout those outum. None of the underground still is as
Speaker 1: prominent as it is. The prop is coming back, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, like you know, Severny Timess like a several
Speaker 1: of the things that go down and is on his
Speaker 1: way back the boom back a stuff. Yeah, yo U
Speaker 1: check this out, my man. You know, Brucy b You're
Speaker 1: the original, you know from Wild Style and all that
Speaker 1: Buc I mean not Brucy Busy be Busy be he
Speaker 1: gotta wreck it out right now that they really paying
Speaker 1: attention to it. But it's so hard, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like it's like we don't really pay
Speaker 1: attention to all, like you know what I'm saying, music
Speaker 1: like we usual because it's not really out there too
Speaker 1: for us to get or to hear because they're so
Speaker 1: flooded with everything else right now. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: it's like look away from the realhood. There were the
Speaker 1: classic ways of making music and really putting the network
Speaker 1: and some tracks from Pete Rocking. You know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: oh man, oh ship. But I don't mean to jumble
Speaker 1: of the course, but yeah, I missed music like that,
Speaker 1: and uh, it's on his way back. Don't trust me that.
Speaker 1: I mean like when you were when you were growing
Speaker 1: up talking about music on this way back? The East
Speaker 1: Coast versus West Coast? How thick and legitimate was the
Speaker 1: East Coast versus West Coast beef? How dick was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because you know sometimes people be like it wasn't legit.
Speaker 1: It was just awful. It was all authentic. Yes, it
Speaker 1: was just all for It was all for show. It
Speaker 1: was an awful show because two niggas died, right man,
Speaker 1: that ship wasn't no show. Chip is real. But it
Speaker 1: was a real beef. I mean it wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: really like no Willie I would beef me. But we
Speaker 1: was back in biggie because he was on the East
Speaker 1: Coast and niggas that was with Topap was backing pop
Speaker 1: over them me. But you know the let me tell
Speaker 1: you the beauty. The beautiful thing about that East Coast
Speaker 1: West Coast beef Me and the motherfucking Dog Pound shot
Speaker 1: music made me how remix al in l a together
Speaker 1: East Coast West Coast while that beef was going on him.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, So it wasn't really like it was like
Speaker 1: Diddi and show ship and a lot of people got
Speaker 1: caught between that ship. You know what I'm saying. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it like that, but I'm saying what
Speaker 1: you're saying that life was man's alid of other ship,
Speaker 1: not the main characters. They didn't tupac beef. They had
Speaker 1: the music going on, but other elements came about, you know.
Speaker 1: But it seemed like because of the beef that the
Speaker 1: realness and the hard work. East Coast tried to outwork
Speaker 1: West Coast, West Coast tried to outwork. Yeah, the music
Speaker 1: was so direct but also so original, so creative, because
Speaker 1: whatever you came out with, then that side of the
Speaker 1: coast had to come back, come back to something more substance,
Speaker 1: and then and then it burned for more because like
Speaker 1: like Mr. Chicks is saying too, like I think they
Speaker 1: were able to merge them in the Dog Pound were
Speaker 1: able to merge, and then later on then you got
Speaker 1: the South riseing the right like you got you got
Speaker 1: outcasts into the even having that, but still you're able
Speaker 1: to birth other projects in other places from the country,
Speaker 1: able to to bring about good music as well. That's
Speaker 1: a fact me. Look at that like like when he
Speaker 1: goes West, goes beef and motherfucking a t Aliens game
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm from remember all of that. Mr. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: miss Jackson, I think it's about that time. Just take
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Speaker 1: listen to podcasts. Muggsy Bows. He's not just the shortest
Speaker 1: player to ever play in the NBA. He's a fourteen
Speaker 1: year veteran, most not to be with the Charlotte Hornets,
Speaker 1: first time all a cec A Wake Forest and overall
Speaker 1: great and iconic legend in the NBA. Let's talk ball
Speaker 1: and again you were the chough overall pick with the
Speaker 1: Washington Bullets. Then you were traded a year later. When
Speaker 1: you were drafted, you had dreams and goals and aspirations.
Speaker 1: At what point in your career of your first year
Speaker 1: that you that you realized that there were some goals
Speaker 1: and aspirations that were just kid dreams and then you
Speaker 1: realize that you know, you have an opportunity to do
Speaker 1: something that you've they dreamed, dreamed about, you know, fantasized
Speaker 1: about that it was really in your grasp to to do.
Speaker 1: M hmm, well, I think you know, my first year
Speaker 1: with the Bullets, you know, you come there with a
Speaker 1: lot of expectations, a lot of old You know, you're
Speaker 1: being drafted. You want to be the rookie of the year.
Speaker 1: You want to make sure that you know you you'm
Speaker 1: on the top amongst still you want to make you know,
Speaker 1: you just have certain personal goals that you know that
Speaker 1: you're set for yourself, because those are the things that
Speaker 1: you know your capable doing. Um. Of course. Um. During
Speaker 1: the middle of during the course of the season, we
Speaker 1: had a coaching change, and that kind of change a
Speaker 1: little bit of some of my playing time UM and
Speaker 1: the way they was, the style of playholl they wanted
Speaker 1: to play. And then I realized, you know, it may
Speaker 1: not happen this year with the some of the goals
Speaker 1: that I had, you know, floating in my head. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, you're you. You can't
Speaker 1: lose that confidence within yourself because you know, once that happened,
Speaker 1: you know that that that that really takes control of
Speaker 1: you know, all your you know, your body, for your
Speaker 1: your your your the way you play, the way you
Speaker 1: act and all that stuff. So the confidence always stayed
Speaker 1: at the forefront. It was just a matter of waiting
Speaker 1: for the right opportunity to get to showcase it. And
Speaker 1: I knew, Um, during the end of the first year
Speaker 1: with the Bullets, things were starting to change, you know,
Speaker 1: things were starting to kind of, you know, not be
Speaker 1: the way I had a envisioned. UM. Then we go
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and then my my minutes has cut
Speaker 1: a little more UM during the playoff and I kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, start to wondering what was going on. But
Speaker 1: again after we take you know, Detroit the five games,
Speaker 1: that's where it was the best out of five man
Speaker 1: after the meeting, I felt like, you know, things were
Speaker 1: still good. You know, things was good after we had
Speaker 1: that exit meeting. But then again now in hindsight knowing
Speaker 1: that it wasn't it was just you know, for what
Speaker 1: they were saying. You know, I just it just kind
Speaker 1: of message here a little bit. But I never lost
Speaker 1: my confidence though. It was just a matter I waiting
Speaker 1: for that right opportunity. And then even coming down here
Speaker 1: in Charlotte, you know, still faced with the same situation
Speaker 1: with Dick Harder, you know, being you know, not believing
Speaker 1: in a small god. Yeah, still had that hang up
Speaker 1: on I need a taller, bigger God. And you know,
Speaker 1: one one incident, he actually went in George Shen's office
Speaker 1: and you know this was George and George that Toby.
Speaker 1: He actually went in George Shen's office. Uh. And you
Speaker 1: know George Shan he's not taught himself. You know, George
Speaker 1: ain't about five five five six himself. So the coach
Speaker 1: happened to go into the office and he gets down
Speaker 1: on his knees and put his arms up to George
Speaker 1: shenn and say, George, this is what I'm facing with
Speaker 1: every night when I played Muggy and George George Shan
Speaker 1: kind of looked at him and like, really, he actually,
Speaker 1: you're gonna you know what you need and you get
Speaker 1: this to me in front of me about Margre and
Speaker 1: Lord knows, of course we was in San Antonio. Of
Speaker 1: course Dick hardly got fired right afterwards, and and then
Speaker 1: when Jane let Us took over, then that's when, you know,
Speaker 1: that's when I started really you know, excellent and become,
Speaker 1: you know, the player that I wanted to become. Did
Speaker 1: you have any superstitions why you were playing? No, I
Speaker 1: didn't really have any superstitions. You know a lot of guys,
Speaker 1: some guys had superstitions. For me, it wasn't. I ain't
Speaker 1: had no rituals that I did. And uh, because everything
Speaker 1: kind of came spontaneous for me, you know. But always,
Speaker 1: of course I got to the game at the right time,
Speaker 1: always got to the game at a certain time, and
Speaker 1: always kind of had a little routine where I stayed
Speaker 1: in the locker room and make sure that I ain't
Speaker 1: come out the locker room until six fift team, you know,
Speaker 1: to do my little warm ups because I knew that
Speaker 1: the little kids and everybody was going to be out
Speaker 1: there lined up, and I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I get the opportunity to make sure I agree them
Speaker 1: to go shoot and then come on back before the
Speaker 1: six thirty, you know, for the time to go out
Speaker 1: for six thirties. So that was the only rich you know,
Speaker 1: I was done a thing, I really did. I ain't
Speaker 1: had no uh no particular rituals that I did. Do
Speaker 1: you believe the game has changed? And if so, how
Speaker 1: has it changed or this destinitely has changed and you
Speaker 1: know what and and honestly, I kind of like the
Speaker 1: way the game is and every era has it's it's
Speaker 1: it's way of a way of play. You know, even
Speaker 1: back in the sixties and the seventies, you know, those
Speaker 1: guys are more of a it was a slow paced
Speaker 1: type of game, more cutting, um, more passing. You know,
Speaker 1: the game has evolved so much. You know, back in
Speaker 1: my you know, in the eighties and and you know,
Speaker 1: we had guys you know, they are seven ftags. You know,
Speaker 1: they played with their back towards the basket. You know,
Speaker 1: today's game, we got the seven ft of you know,
Speaker 1: they're facing the basket, bring the ball up the court.
Speaker 1: And you know, the emphasis on the three point shot
Speaker 1: is a lot more um. You got a lot more.
Speaker 1: The court is spread open a lot than what it
Speaker 1: was for us. You know, it was more packed it
Speaker 1: in where the guys could camp in the lane a
Speaker 1: lot um. We can hand check. It was a more
Speaker 1: physical when we play. You know, it's not as physical
Speaker 1: as to day, but you know that that's all have
Speaker 1: to do with the scoring, you know, the excitement of
Speaker 1: the game, the fast pace of the game, and so
Speaker 1: you get to see, you know, the skill sets of
Speaker 1: the players, you know, which is what's remarkable today. You know,
Speaker 1: seeing a guy like Lebron, you know, in the seventeen
Speaker 1: years still being able to you know, put up the
Speaker 1: numbers that he's able to do and still be productive.
Speaker 1: I mean, the game has changed and allow these guys
Speaker 1: to play a lot longer, I should say today we
Speaker 1: always you know you hear this debate now, especially me
Speaker 1: being in the media, and do you hear this goat debate?
Speaker 1: You know why why has this topic of discussion come
Speaker 1: up so much? I have no I have no ideas, man,
Speaker 1: I really don't, man, because you know you're talking about
Speaker 1: the goat. The goat, I mean, everybody played the game
Speaker 1: and impacted, you know, totally different. You look at it
Speaker 1: Woke Chamberlin and Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul Jabal and Magic,
Speaker 1: Magic is my guy, you know, Magic and you know
Speaker 1: and the m J and Lebront. But the thing about
Speaker 1: what I said about all this is that when I
Speaker 1: look at a player and athlete and the only guy
Speaker 1: that I see as polished as he was and had
Speaker 1: no deficiency in his game was m Jack. And that's
Speaker 1: the that's the that's where it separates from because when
Speaker 1: you got the fundamental aspect of the game and then
Speaker 1: the athletic ability, but to the point of where you
Speaker 1: know you can it's off the charge with his athletic ability.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was breathtaking to see it. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't that he did it on one another court. He
Speaker 1: did it on both ends of the court. You know.
Speaker 1: It's nine time defensive champion as well as in the
Speaker 1: thing and the killer us think that he had. But
Speaker 1: just the bottom line, just you know, it's just that
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, every player has some sort of deficiency
Speaker 1: in the game. Every player, every player has some sort
Speaker 1: even you know, I'm taking me from Lebron and he
Speaker 1: called everybody has some sort of deficience. M J was
Speaker 1: the only guy that was able to perfect his deficity
Speaker 1: that he had when he first came into and that
Speaker 1: was just just shooting a little bit to where he
Speaker 1: increased it to the range that where it was three points.
Speaker 1: And then once that happened, it was, you know, it
Speaker 1: was no way you can stop six rings after that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that day. But you know, people don't understand that's the
Speaker 1: way he the way MJ had that killer in Snake,
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, you knew two members gonna
Speaker 1: try to stop when he was able to create space
Speaker 1: and still make that play, you know, and he never
Speaker 1: shot away from making that play. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: that stands out about him and reminisced with a lot
Speaker 1: of guys because you know, you look at Lebron, Lebron
Speaker 1: will make a play, you know, and sometimes he were
Speaker 1: shot away from that moment, and you know, and it's
Speaker 1: another there's nothing knock on him and just he looking
Speaker 1: at the game the way he said and how he
Speaker 1: feels like, you know, he can impact it in my time.
Speaker 1: It might be a pass, it might be a shot,
Speaker 1: who knows, you know, but MJ, you always knew it
Speaker 1: was gonna be a shot and less three three three
Speaker 1: four came a double team and he kicking out the
Speaker 1: Steve to make the shot. But other than that, you know,
Speaker 1: all of them to go for me. Man, they all
Speaker 1: and the goot stuff is kind of crazy. You know,
Speaker 1: they're always some heck of a basketball players and you
Speaker 1: know they all kind of within their own right, the
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