1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 1: Body dogs. But Joseph Scott More. Imagine, if you will. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:16,959 Speaker 1: You're an explorer, a Dutch explorer, and it's the late 3 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: sixteen hundreds. You've made it all the way around the world, literally, 4 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: and now you've found this mysterious continent which the Netherlands 5 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: or Holland has actually laid claim to, or at least 6 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: a portion of it, the western aspect of it called 7 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: New Holland. You're going down the coast and you decide 8 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: to get off of your boat, and as you step 9 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: onto the shore, you see something that you have been told, 10 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: probably from most of your life, didn't exist, because you 11 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: come from Europe, and in Europe you have these big, 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: beautiful birds that are white, that have these incredible plumage. 13 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: But you look and there you see a bird that's 14 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: maybe the same species, but much larger, and the color 15 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: is not white, it's black. It's at that moment in 16 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: time that this Dutch explorer discovered that black swans actually 17 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: do in fact exist. Today, we're going to talk about 18 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: a case involving someone that has been deemed by the 19 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: media as the black swan, a ballerina, an individual that 20 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: is now a convicted murderer. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and 21 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: this is body backs, Dave. Have you ever seen a 22 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: swan before in person? You know, we see geese a lot, 23 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I see all variety of ducks that 24 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But it's like when you see a swan, 25 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: there's a real elegance to it. It looks different than 26 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: every other animal. And I'm sure that there are people 27 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: out there that are listening to me right now saying Morgan, 28 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about swans, who really cares? Well, I care, 29 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: it's my show. I think swans are actually quite elegant 30 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: and beautiful to see, just the way they move. 31 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: You know. 32 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: They always talk about ducks how they seem to placid 33 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: on the surface of the water, but there's a whole 34 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: lot going on underneath, the same way with swans. There's 35 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: an elegance to them as they kind of glide across 36 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: the water and you don't see what's going on beneath 37 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: that surface. But the term black swan for back then 38 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 1: it goes all the way back, I think to antiquity. 39 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: People had thought that black swans might exist, but they'd 40 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 1: never been able to prove it, and to say that 41 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: something was a black swan back then has kind of 42 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: morphed into a term that we hear a lot nowadays 43 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: called a black Swan event. That is like an event 44 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: that is life changing, that sort of thing. Because in 45 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: the terms of this Dutch explorer, when he saw this, 46 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: he kind of rewrote the book from a biological standpoint, 47 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: you know, when you're studying you know, birds and that 48 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: sort of thing. They didn't think these animals existed, but 49 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: as it turns out, they did, and they found them 50 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: down in Australia. But for our purposes today, my understanding 51 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: is is that the young lady that has been saddled 52 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: with this moniker, she didn't exactly appreciate it and was 53 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: kind of put off by the fact that they started 54 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: calling her this. 55 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: Well, Ashley Bennefield was a ballerina as a child, and 56 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 2: you couple that with the murder of your estranged husband, 57 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: father of your child and who's thirty years older than you, 58 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 2: and yeah, you're gonna get named after a movie that 59 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: was called black Swan that won an Academy Award for 60 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 2: you know, people involved with it. So yeah, that's where 61 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 2: the black Swan thing. And she doesn't like it because 62 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 2: she has an image of herself and her life plan 63 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 2: and everything Joe that bottom line, evil is all I 64 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: can think. Evil Who does this? Ashley Benifield is at 65 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 2: a twenty sixteen Republican fundraiser at the home of doctor 66 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: Ben Carson in Florida and she meets this man who 67 00:04:54,680 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: Doug Benefield, recent winnower. The man has his wife passed 68 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: away nine months earlier, nine months before he meets Ashley, 69 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: his wife died all of a sudden. By the way, 70 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: they have a teenage daughter, fifteen years old, and she 71 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: comes home one day. Can't get in the front door. 72 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: Front door is locked, can't get it, it won't move open. 73 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: Trying to call her mom, Mom doesn't answer the phone. Finally, 74 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: the daughter goes next door, gets a neighbor hack. Can't 75 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 2: get in the door, can't get my mom on the phone. 76 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:24,919 Speaker 2: Can you help me? And so they have to push 77 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: the front door open. And the reason they can't get 78 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 2: open is because Doug Bennifield's wife is laying dead on 79 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: the floor. She's had a heart condition that was undiagnosed, 80 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: and she dies and is discovered by her fifteen year 81 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: old daughter on the floor of their entryway into the home. 82 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: Holy smokes. 83 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 2: Nine months later, Doug Bennifield is at the same fundraiser 84 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 2: as Actually they meet and he is smitten. He's not 85 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: recovered yet. He's lost. He's a Navy veteran who has 86 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: a teenage daughter. He's everything's got to be messed up 87 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: for this guy, emotionally, mentally, he's got a trip. He 88 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: goes to this fundraiser because he's kind of on his 89 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: way to a trip overseas, a business trip, and he 90 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: is a Republican. He's a you know, fundy. He's one 91 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: of these guys. I don't know if they're actually rich 92 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 2: or play rich, you know, I don't know. 93 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, They've. 94 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: Got a lot of them. You find out there are 95 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 2: a lot of political movers and shakers that are not 96 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: what they appear to be. They keep showing up at 97 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: these expensive fundraisers. Don't really have any funny. 98 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: Wait, people associated with politics that are not telling the truth, really. 99 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: Cheating steel, that's all that do. But anyway, so he 100 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:42,279 Speaker 2: meets Ashley at this you know fundraiser and they click. 101 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: I mean, he is just I think I said smitt 102 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: in a minute ago. That's the only term that fits 103 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 2: for a guy in his early fifties. Who's recovering from 104 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: his wife dying suddenly, and therefore he's from Charleston, South Carolina. 105 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 2: Actually Mount Pleasant, which is just outside of Charleston. 106 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: And I've heard something day before, and let's touch on 107 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: this just for a moment, for people that are going 108 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: through through grief or of a spouse, the loss of 109 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: a spouse, and I've also heard this apply to people 110 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: that are going through a divorce. I don't know if 111 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: this is true or not. I've just heard this put 112 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: out there that for every seven years you married, you 113 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: need one year of recovery. So when you think about 114 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: the trauma that Doug Benefield has gone through, and trust me, 115 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: this is this is as traumatic as it gets. Okay, 116 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: you've been married to this woman who has you've created 117 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: a life with, you have a child with, and. 118 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 2: Such a wonderful life goo. 119 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah that was my understanding as well. Yeah, and quite lovely, 120 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: quite lovely lady, and they had built a life together 121 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: and suddenly she's gone. It's almost, oh boy. When when 122 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: I think about this combination of what we're talking about 123 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: with the perpetrator and I'm going to call her a 124 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: perpetrator now she's convicted. When I think about this. This 125 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: almost seems predatory in my estimation, all my part. Yeah, 126 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: but you know what I'm saying, you see somebody, because 127 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: you know, I mean at the forefront of his mind. 128 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: You can only imagine is this life that he has 129 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: previously had with his wife of low these many years, 130 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: and this child that he has that now is his 131 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: sole responsibility in this world. And yes, smitten maybe, but 132 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: he would have told the story, I'm sure to her 133 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: maybe with her big doa. She sits there and says, Oh, 134 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 1: that's so sad, let's talk more. Yeah, And whatever happened, 135 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: it escalated quickly, didn't it. 136 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: Day? Well, what happens? They meet at that event in 137 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 2: Florida at doctor Carson's house. I mentioned that Doug Benefield 138 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: was on his way overseas catching a plane, and he's gone. 139 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 2: All right, They meet and he's gone. The next day. 140 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 2: He spends a week doing business. It was already pre planned. 141 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 2: And the whole time they're texting and writing emails. You know, 142 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 2: they're communicating that way. And there is something that can 143 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: be very personal in a handwritten in a written sentiment. 144 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 2: By email, you share things that you might not share 145 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: otherwise one on one as you get to meet somebody, 146 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 2: but they did share a lot in a very short 147 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: period of time. While he's overseas. He gets back home 148 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: a week later. So from the here's your bottom line. 149 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 2: They got married thirteen days after they met, and seven 150 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 2: of those days he was not present. He was overseas. 151 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 2: They'd only been around each other's company for six days 152 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: of the thirteen days. They've known each other all right, 153 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: so they get back together. He doesn't tell anybody, Doug 154 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: Benifield doesn't tell anybody. His best friend, his daughter. They 155 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: all know he's met a girl. They all know she's younger. 156 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: They all know that she's about God and guns and country, 157 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: which is the same thing, Doug Bennefield, God, guns and country. 158 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: That's it. 159 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: Let me hang on, Let me pause right there, partner, 160 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: and ask you something. When you hear somebody that has 161 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: an intimate circle and they have this event, this life 162 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: changing event, where they've made a decision to pull the 163 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: trigger on matrimony, why would you not tell them? I 164 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: think I know the answer. I will. 165 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 2: I'm kind of throwing this out to say, Doug, stop, no, 166 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: don't know, especially the fact that she's a child herself. 167 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 2: She's only nine years older. 168 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: Than your daughter daughter, right, Yeah, I. 169 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: Mean she's twenty four. Think about it. 170 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, what could you and look, we'll get 171 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: blown back from this. I don't care. What could you 172 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: possibly have in common with this person? And you begin 173 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: to think about it. But I got to tell you, 174 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: as we all know, because this plays out in a 175 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: lot of spaces in our life, in the world that 176 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: we live in, Opportunity knocks, or some doesn't it. It 177 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: knocks for some when they see people that are vulnerable 178 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: and they have an opportunity to prey upon them. And 179 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: I got to tell you, brother, I kind of feel 180 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: like that this is the route that this is going. 181 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: I think you made a really interesting point about the 182 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 2: age difference and how people think. Look, I am really 183 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: of a different mindset like that. I look at people 184 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 2: and go, look, man, I don't know why you feel 185 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 2: the way you do about them, But I'm I don't care. 186 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: You know. It's like I love you and you do 187 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,839 Speaker 2: whatever you feel. If you ask my opinion, I might 188 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: share it, you know, if you really want it. But 189 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: most people to ask don't really want you to tell 190 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: him the truth. Yeah, Doug Benefield knew that nobody's going 191 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: to understand this, especially people that love Renee, his first 192 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 2: wife who died. They're going to say, you haven't had 193 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 2: enough time. You don't know this person, you know, they 194 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 2: would he knows what they're going to say is doesn't. 195 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: He doesn't want to hear it. He wants to do 196 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: what he wants to do, and that's why he's dead today. 197 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: I think I think probably the most important person that 198 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 1: he didn't tell and correct me if I'm wrong. 199 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 2: Ye Eva, is his daughter. Eva didn't tell her he 200 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 2: came home. Now it's interesting because I I Eva actually 201 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,199 Speaker 2: said in an interview that when he came home and 202 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: everybody knew he was taken with this young woman. Everybody 203 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 2: knew he is just he's in love. I mean they 204 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: said the L word within you know, a couple of 205 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: days obviously, but Eva thought that he was. He said, 206 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: come on down, Eve, I got it. We got a 207 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: big announcement, big announcement, and again he's got you know, 208 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 2: God Ashley with him. Eva thought they were going to 209 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: say we've decided to get married, we're engaged. That's what 210 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: she expected, and she thought, I'll deal with it, you know, 211 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: give it time. He didn't. That's what was so shocking. 212 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 2: He didn't say we're engaged. He said we're married. That's 213 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 2: why everybody in his circle of friends, everybody that knew Doug, 214 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 2: was so shocked. Not only did he not give them 215 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: time out of love to tell him. Look, if you 216 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 2: care about somebody, you want them to be happy, but 217 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: you also want them to be wise. You don't want 218 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: to see pain in your friend. And that's what they 219 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: would have said, that you needed more time, take time. 220 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 1: Well, I think that as well, relative to the friends. 221 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: But you've also got somebody else that is intimately hurting here, 222 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: and that's evil. Yeah, you know, because she's she's literally 223 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: had her this her mother, yeah, has been traumatically you know, 224 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: extricated from her life at this point in tom and 225 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: now she is I mean, let's face it, she's going 226 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: to be at least in the physical sense, she's going 227 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: to be there under the roof with the title of wife. Uh, 228 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, physically there, and she has her mother is 229 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: now a memory, and. 230 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 2: Everybody woman stepping into those shoes. 231 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, yeah, children, I know it just it seems 232 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: like a recipe for disaster, but it is, you know, 233 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: as we will find out, and as we know to 234 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: this point, it was anything anything but matrimonial bliss. We 235 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: have had. I don't know how many opportunities we've had 236 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: with our friend Nancy Garrace Dave over the years. You 237 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: and I talk about cases involving domestic abuse that wind 238 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: up in homicide. I don't know that you and I 239 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: have enough fingers and toes to count them. They happen 240 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: all of the time, and they're covered. They're covered so 241 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: and I think one of the reasons they're covered is 242 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: because from my perspective, from forensics perspective, there's some of 243 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: the most brutal cases that you can possibly ever work 244 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: and cover and try to because people can't take the 245 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: measure of it that are out there that kind of 246 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: listen and are curious about these cases. It's hard to 247 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: describe it, you know. And this case actually came down 248 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: to a question of domestic abuse, didn't it. 249 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's interesting how people can claim things when 250 00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: the other person is gone and can't defend themselves in it. 251 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 252 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 2: In this particular case, just so you know the players here, 253 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 2: we have Doug Benefield and Ashley Byers. Now Doug was married, 254 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 2: he was a Navy veteran. He and Renee were married 255 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: living in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina. They have a daughter, Eva, 256 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: who is fifteen when in December. And the reason these 257 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: dates are important is because of how quickly all this 258 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 2: goes together. Okay, December of twenty fifteen, Renee dies from 259 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 2: an undignized heart element. And as I told you, it 260 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: was Eva that found her with Ashley Buyers. She trained 261 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: as a ballet dancer from the age of eight. Ashley 262 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: Byers did not graduate from high school. She dropped out 263 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: of high school to pursue her ballet career. Not an 264 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 2: uncommon thing, but a lot of times people would go 265 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: to a school of the arts for their education, that'll 266 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: live on campus and they will graduate from high school. 267 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 2: A friend of ours did that, and she's doing ballet 268 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: now in New York. Bless her heart. She's doing wonderful. 269 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: But by the age of twenty one, with no high school, 270 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 2: no college, Ashley buyers ballet career fizzled out. She claims 271 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 2: it was because of her height. She was not a 272 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: ballet size. She was a little different. So Ashley ends 273 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: up teaching ballet children ballet. She tries modeling, built a portfolio, 274 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 2: nothing happens from it, but she's listed as a bikini 275 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 2: model or something like that. But the one thing she 276 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 2: was in her early twenties, nothing about it. She's doing 277 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 2: nothing but ballet till she's twenty one. Three years thirty 278 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 2: six months after that, she's done ballet, She's done some 279 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 2: bikini modeling, she's trying to teach children's ballet, trying to 280 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: figure out some way to make a living for herself, 281 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: and realizes, I better find a rich guy. And so 282 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 2: at twenty four years old, she ends up as a 283 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: Trump campaign person working on the Trump campaign and claims 284 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: that Donald Trump said many things to her while on 285 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: the campaign trailer and she ended up on the plane 286 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 2: with them. Now, Donald Trump said I didn't even know 287 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: this person, showing a picture of the two of them, 288 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 2: you know, taking a pack, I don't know who that is. 289 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 2: And they're like, well, she's on trial for murder. I 290 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 2: still don't know who she is. I mean, think about 291 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 2: all the people in Donald Trump's sphere in twenty sixteen, 292 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: there were a lot of yeah, oh yeah. So when 293 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 2: Doug who was a Republican supporter for many years, he's 294 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: at that you know, dinner with Ben Carson in Florida 295 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 2: and he meets Ashley. So thirteen days after they meet 296 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 2: they get married. Think about that for a minute. Thirteen 297 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 2: days and as I mentioned, seven of those days they 298 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 2: were not together. They did it. Their entire relationship was 299 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: built on email and text messages. He gets back for 300 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 2: six days they're paling around. One would assume other things 301 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 2: are taking place. And Doug was very religious. He's a 302 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: Christian guy, and many people have suggested he would not 303 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: have sex. He would not have relations with Ashley until 304 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: they were married. So that's why they got married. 305 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: What's the root of the old Baba Versus says this, 306 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: better to marry than burne. I think that's a loose, 307 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 1: loose interpretation of it. That burned, yeah, burn in sexual, 308 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: you know, lust and all that sort of thing. 309 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: The apostle Paul was righting to Timothy, who was about 310 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,479 Speaker 2: twenty two at the time, and he had done Timothy 311 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: since he was a child. And Timothy's a young pastor 312 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: and he wants to go down this path. But Paul says, dude, 313 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 2: if you cannot be celibate like me, you need to 314 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: take time out of the ministry and go find a 315 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 2: woman and get married. Yeah, because you're going to be 316 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: unfocused and that's where it all comes from. But in 317 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 2: this particular case, Doug Benefield is fifty four years old. 318 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what is a good point. 319 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 2: He's in his early fifties, right, and he's already think 320 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 2: about it, he's already been a Navy veteran, he's been 321 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: married for years, he's got a they live in a 322 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: wonderful house in Mount Pleasant. I mean, this guy was 323 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 2: secure in life and here's a girl that's twenty four 324 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,879 Speaker 2: who Yes, she's not unpretty, she's not unfortunate looking, and 325 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 2: she's conservative, claims to be Christian, and she's all the 326 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: things that he wants and she wants him. So why 327 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 2: not that's his thought. I mean, think about it, Joe, 328 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: a guy in his early fifties, unencumbered with a wife, 329 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: he's a widower. 330 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: Why not? 331 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 2: So he did? 332 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: I think. I think one of the most striking things 333 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: to me in the midst of all of this is 334 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 1: the fact that Doug had actually undergone after they got 335 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: a vasectomy, you know, after they after you know that 336 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: he that Doug had undergone a vasectomy sometime earlier. And 337 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: again you're talking about a guy in his mid fifties. 338 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: He decides, now another momentous shift in his life. Okay, 339 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: you've lost your wife. You've lost your wife, your daughter 340 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: has lost her mother, and within what is it, nine 341 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: ten months of the passing of your wife from a 342 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: sudden heart attack, you're going to get married to a 343 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:10,200 Speaker 1: person that you have known, say, known thirteen days and 344 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: you haven't been actually in their presence for physically in 345 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 1: their presence for maybe six days in total. And then 346 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: you're going to pull the trigger on this. And now 347 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: let's escalate things a little bit further, and let's undo 348 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: the vasectomy that he had to go through beforehand. And 349 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, vasectomies are painful enough, but to have to 350 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: go through this process of a reversal, I got to 351 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 1: tell you this is another disturbing part to me about 352 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: all of this. When you've got somebody, let's face it, 353 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: you're twenty four years old, all right, You're a failed dancer, 354 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: you're a failed model, and it doesn't sound like your 355 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 1: prospects of opening up this National Ballet Company or whatever 356 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: it was. We're going to be too. 357 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: Time hill here because this is interesting because Joe, let 358 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: me just ask you something. When Doug Bennifield, Mary's actually 359 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: he's accomplished, successful businessman, although there are some claims that 360 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: he was not as upfront about some of his investments 361 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: as he should have been. But to her, he's an 362 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 2: accomplished businessman with money. She doesn't know him long enough 363 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 2: to know whether it's even true or not. She just 364 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 2: meets him in this at doctor Carson's mansion in Florida. 365 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: He's with all these money people, talking big money. She's 366 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 2: a failure, as you mentioned, if she didn't make it 367 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: in the dance world, doesn't make it as a model. 368 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: She's looking for a she's looking to add an mrs. 369 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: Degree because she can't even graduate high school. So Ashley Bennifield, 370 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: Mary's Dougna. He's her night unshine, and you know he's 371 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 2: on the white night. He is the guy who's going 372 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: to pull her up from the depths and give her everything. 373 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: So what does this man want to do? She wants 374 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 2: they get married, and she wants a national ballet company. 375 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 2: Her reason for not being successful in ballet her size. 376 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 2: She's not a teeny model, you know, a teeny version 377 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 2: of a ballet dancer. She's tall, a little thick. Maybe, 378 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: so they have this idea to create or no, Ashley 379 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 2: has the idea to create the American National Ballet Company 380 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: that will be open to odd for such a Republican 381 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: person to talk about how we're going to be open 382 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: to all these things. Gender everything. Okay, size, gender, none 383 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,399 Speaker 2: of that matters. If you want to wear a two 384 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: to two, you can be in our ballet company. You 385 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: got audition, and they did. But that's what she conned 386 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: him into funding this. Joe Ashley Binefield basically grabbed Doug 387 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: right where he needed to be grabbed, and he funded it. Okay, 388 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 2: they're reaching, So he did that for her. I'm gonna 389 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,719 Speaker 2: save you. So she's got him in on this ballet thing. 390 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: And then she wants to have a baby. So that's 391 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 2: why in May, think about this Joe. His wife dies 392 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 2: in December. He gets married nine months later in September. 393 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: They start the ballet company the following April, and in 394 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: May she has him read undoing the visectomy. They get 395 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 2: that undone. Now they're doing interviews and auditions in Charleston. 396 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 2: In June of that and she gets pregnant. They have 397 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:40,399 Speaker 2: the auditions, they deal contracts. By August, they've got forty 398 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 2: dancers lined up, forty three and Doug now the success. 399 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 2: It was obviously successful in reversing the visectomy. The dancers 400 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 2: are coming into town in October, and what happens. Ashley 401 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: now is pregnant, this dancer who actually was the the 402 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 2: head of the whole thing, selling the dream of a 403 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 2: ballet company that is not going to be the old 404 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: It's going to be new. It's gonna be the new generation, 405 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: the now generation. And well, she got pregnant and she 406 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 2: can't participate in anything. All she can do is tell 407 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: Doug to get more money. We need money for this, 408 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 2: money for that, and we're gonna She had these big 409 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: dreams that Doug was going to find a way to fund. 410 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 2: But it's odd that she said she had bed rest 411 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: because it was going to be a difficult pregnancy, But 412 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: yet her bed rest that the doctor ordered only seemed 413 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 2: to be bed rest when she didn't want to do 414 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 2: any work or anything else. Because she ends up moving 415 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: to Florida with her mother, she leaves Charleston and moves 416 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 2: in with her mother in Florida. She leaves her husband 417 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,640 Speaker 2: of less than a year and goes back to move 418 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 2: in with her mother in Florida because she's pregnant with 419 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,239 Speaker 2: his child and by the way, Joe, he's over here 420 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: trying to handle her ballet that she had the big dream. 421 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: She's now not involved except on a paperwork standpoint. He's 422 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: trying to hold it all together. And he's at this 423 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 2: huge ballet meeting with some investors. And he comes home 424 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 2: and finds out that his wife, Ashley and her mother 425 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: have come to Charleston, have emptied out the house of 426 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: all of her belonging. He's left him a note I'm 427 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 2: moving in with my mom. I don't want anything to 428 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: do with you, and leaves and you accuse yeah, pregnant. Yeah. 429 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: And here's the thing. It's almost like, you know, investigatively, 430 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: when you look at a case like this that you 431 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: know is you know, we obviously know how poorly descended, 432 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: how horrifically descended. You begin to look back and this 433 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: almost seems like a case of fraud all the way 434 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 1: from the deception and fraud all the way from Jump 435 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: Street here where when you follow this tomline and you 436 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: see this thing beginning to progress, it's almost like, you know, 437 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 1: the elderly person that gets the anonymous email, you know 438 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: I have I have fifty million dollars in gold bullion. 439 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: I'll be glad to give you, you know, a million dollars, 440 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, if you'll help me sort these things out. 441 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: It's almost like, yeah, and she's running a scam at 442 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 1: this point in time, and she she had a perfect mark, 443 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: as they say, relative relative to this man. And here's 444 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: another thing. They couldn't make payroll and for these people, 445 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: they're they're there and he has to go get cash 446 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 1: out of the thank. 447 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 2: To pay out, you know for this you do with 448 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: a winning business. 449 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Joe, No, it's not, it's it's certainly not something that 450 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: you do. And so you know, you can see the 451 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: storm clouds on the horizon. But here's here's the really 452 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 1: ominous part. You wonder if with all of this there 453 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: was an end game, that there was a proverbial pot 454 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: of gold at the end of the rainbow, and that 455 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: it was to end with the murder of Doug Benefield. 456 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: The thing about homicide investigations is that there's so much 457 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,680 Speaker 1: data that you have to dig through, and let's just 458 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: look at it this way. When you see that one person, 459 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,199 Speaker 1: and this is how we define homicide is death at 460 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,679 Speaker 1: the hand of another. When you see that one person 461 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: has made a choice to end the life of another. 462 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: You have to begin to unspool this thing and try 463 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 1: to understand what led up to this and what led 464 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: up to this decision. That you can't throw it in 465 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: reverse and change the outcome. Once it's done, it's done. 466 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: And here I think that there's kind of an obvious 467 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: let's see, there's kind of an obvious solution that a diminutive, 468 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: twenty four year old woman would offer up as to 469 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: a rationale for blasting her husband with a forty five 470 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: caliber pistol. Well, it's always going to come down to 471 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: domestic abuse. Domestic abuse, David. I know that we can't 472 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: put a number on it right now, but you and 473 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: I both know that right now, there are women all 474 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 1: across this country that are suffering from domestic abuse. They're 475 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: out there. I guarantee you. There are women that are 476 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: afraid to even open a door in their house for 477 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: fear that it will make a noise and anger their abuser. 478 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: They're waiting for the next slap to fall, or the 479 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: next punch or kick, or to be have food withheld 480 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: from them. Those real events out there. But now you 481 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: have this sham artist who is cloaking herself in this 482 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: guise of domestic abuse, and to try to garner not 483 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 1: necessarily sympathy, but to offer up a rationale for killing 484 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: her husband, this grieving man that had just lost his 485 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: wife just months before. Joe. 486 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: She was playing that to build a domestic violence card 487 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: or some kind of victim card. The woman is so calculating. 488 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 2: It's been said that she wanted to be a single 489 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 2: mom from the moment she found out she was pregnant. 490 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 2: The facts bear that out. I think she marries a 491 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 2: man with money and she cons him into financing her 492 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 2: dream ballet company because she didn't have the talent to 493 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 2: get a gig herself. The auditions are held, forty three 494 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 2: ballerinas from around the world were hired. But as soon 495 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 2: as Ashley gets pregnant, she's gone. She's got no high 496 00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: school diploma, no degree from college, but in the School 497 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 2: of Life she got her mrs degree and once she 498 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 2: has the baby, she's got child support for the next 499 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 2: eighteen years. She leaves while she's pregnant. She accuses him 500 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: of everything under the sun, everything, She accuses him of 501 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 2: a mental cruelty, of abuse. I mean, she just throws 502 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: it all out there, right. She wants him to fund 503 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 2: her lifestyle and she's using the baby to make that happen. 504 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 2: Doug has to hire a lawyer to write her an 505 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 2: email say look, I know you don't want me there, 506 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 2: but I want to know what's going on. How are 507 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: you with the pregnants? I want to know what's happening 508 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: with my baby. She wouldn't even she shouldn't answer the email. 509 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: The day after she gets the email, she goes in 510 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: and has her labor induced. The day is six weeks 511 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 2: before she's due. The day after she gets the email, 512 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 2: asking him for him being involved. That's how cruel and 513 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: evil she is. Even worse, she doesn't tell him she 514 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 2: had the baby. Doug doesn't know for six weeks that 515 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: she's had the baby, and then she starts court filings 516 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: to prevent Doug from seeing his child. She takes him 517 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: to court and accuses him of domestic abuse and and 518 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: and Joe claims he's poisoning her. Now, don't you think 519 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 2: somebody could figure out if they were being poisoned? I 520 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 2: mean chemically, isn't there. 521 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: A way events? Uh? You know, because if you're if 522 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: someone is in fact, uh you know, clandestinely poisoning somebody 523 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: by slow dosing them, there's going to be evidence, physical changes, 524 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: all these sorts of things. And look, I think my 525 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: question is is that if you believe or you perceive 526 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: that you are being poisoned, well, first off, let's scientifically 527 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: validate that. What what evidence are you going to give 528 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: me that will give me, uh a scientific basis that 529 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 1: I can test for this, that I can understand what 530 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 1: agent is being used, how is being applied. And I 531 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: think that we're very we're very concerned about your life, 532 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: young lady. Tell us tell us precisely, you know, what 533 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: what's your symptomology, because we want to get treatment for you. 534 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: You know, the judge I actually stated that there was 535 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: not one sent hill of evidence that any of these 536 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: events had actually occurred. 537 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: So this is all actually chastised the scientists they brought. 538 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 1: Up precisely and and so it's it's one of the 539 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: biggest prevarications that you can possibly imagine. Again, add would. 540 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 2: Be lied to those of us that have to look 541 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 2: up the word for varication. 542 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 1: Adding adding to the misery of this man, you know, 543 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,480 Speaker 1: and look, he's he's kind of placed hisself in this 544 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: position with this. But you expect some where used to 545 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,000 Speaker 1: term scentillogous. You expect some sentil of humanity on the 546 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: other end, but that that wasn't coming. As a matter 547 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: of fact, it just gets worse, doesn't it. 548 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: Evil Joe, just evil. So he meets his baby six 549 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 2: months after she's born. He's trying to be involved, trying 550 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 2: to be there as a man, trying to do anything 551 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: he can. At this point, his life is shattered. Think 552 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 2: about it, you're you know, a couple of years earlier, 553 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 2: he has a wife child, They're living in Mount Pleasant, 554 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 2: South Carolina, having a great time, and dies unexpectedly. Nine 555 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: months later. He meets her and Mary's her. It's just sad. 556 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Mom and daughter Ashley decided to 557 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,719 Speaker 2: move to Maryland, So Doug says, I'll get a house 558 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 2: up there too. If that's where you're gonna go with 559 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: my daughter, I'm going with you. And they weren't going 560 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 2: to live together, although Ashley continually held a carrot out 561 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 2: for him like she wanted him. She'll take him back 562 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 2: as long as he was doing it. As the even 563 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 2: went to a counselor, Joe, they were seeing a counselor together, 564 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,360 Speaker 2: and in that Ashley was telling Doug. In this councilor 565 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 2: the therapist that she wanted to get back together. She 566 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 2: wanted them to have a life together, to raise their dog. 567 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 2: She wanted all these wonderful things. And that's why Doug 568 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: was like, I'll move with you. I'll get a separate 569 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 2: house while we work things out privately. She's telling the 570 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 2: same therapist, I'm not she had different protective orders that 571 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 2: she had file. I'm not removing anything. I ain't getting 572 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 2: back with him. So she was lying to this man 573 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,120 Speaker 2: just to get him to do whatever she wanted. So 574 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 2: he goes down to Florida to get all of her 575 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,839 Speaker 2: stuff moved. They were moving in the same U haul truck, 576 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 2: moving all of their stuff, Doug stuff and Ashley stuff, 577 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 2: and Ashley got mad over the way he was packing it. 578 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: She wanted his stuff packed in first, her stuff packed 579 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 2: in last, so that they could pull up to her 580 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 2: house unload her stuff, and then he could just take 581 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 2: his stuff to his house in Maryland. And he was like, 582 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 2: it's all going to the same general location. You know, 583 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I'm packing it up. Just give me 584 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: a break. And that's where the argument ensued. Ashley claims 585 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 2: that Doug got physical with her. He claimed She claims 586 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 2: that she feared for her life. She claims that three 587 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 2: times during the day he body checked her, bumping her hard, 588 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 2: trying to knock her over. She then runs to the 589 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 2: bedroom where she knows again that these are people like 590 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: their guns. She claims that he bumped her into the 591 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 2: door jam, hit her head, and that she went for 592 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 2: the gun. She now has the gun in her hand. 593 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: Doug Benifield is standing in the doorway Joe and Ashley. 594 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 2: Bennifield says she was in fear for her life, so 595 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:07,640 Speaker 2: she shot him. Now, Joseph Scott Morgan, from here on out, 596 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 2: you're on the stand. Tell me what happened in that 597 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 2: moment when she fires the gun. 598 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: One of the interesting things that kind of came out 599 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:22,239 Speaker 1: in this trial is she uses this term. They use 600 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: the term fighting stance. And the only thing I can 601 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: imagine is there's that game that my son used to play, 602 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: Mortal Combat, you know, where the two guys drop in 603 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: and there's like standing there, you know, kind of bouncing 604 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: back and forth before they get into the you know, 605 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: into the match. Well, she's claiming that he's in a 606 00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: fighting stance, and I guess that implies that he is 607 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: the aggressor. Ergo, she has to take this weapon and 608 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: defend herself with it. Well, this weapon is actually a 609 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 1: forty five caliber pistol. It's a semi automatic weapon. When 610 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: Doug is shot, and please understand, he shot three times. 611 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 1: The forensic pathologists testified to this, and there's been some question. 612 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 1: I think that certainly the defense put this forward that 613 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: Doug is shot actually on the anti aspect of his body, 614 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 1: and that means the front. Okay, that's not the truth. 615 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: He was shot in the chest. But just folks know, Okay, 616 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 1: if you touch your chest, traditionally what is known as 617 00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: your chest. When you're touching your chest, that's your antior chest. Okay. 618 00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: We also have lateral chest, which is like your rib cage. Okay, 619 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 1: both sides. That's your lateral And you might not know this. 620 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 1: You have a posterior chest, which is where your shoulder 621 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: blades are. So when people hear chests, they automatically think, well, 622 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: you're shot in the chest, so therefore you're shot in 623 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: the front. 624 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 2: That's not the case, right, That's what I thought, Joe, 625 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 2: That's what I thought. She shot him in the chest. Boom, 626 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 2: He's coming after her. He's in that fighting stands. He 627 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,680 Speaker 2: starts coming. He's lunging, that's what she said. And she 628 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 2: shoots him in the chest. 629 00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,120 Speaker 1: And here's an interesting point along the way. This fatal gunshot, 630 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 1: one that he sustained, actually entered the right lateral chest. 631 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: And here's the point that the forensic pathologist, Well, the 632 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,040 Speaker 1: right lateral chest. Take your right arm, okay, your right hand, 633 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: hold it up. That aspect is going to be just 634 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: below your right shoulder. That's your right chest, your right 635 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,359 Speaker 1: lateral chest. So from the nipple line, arm pit, all 636 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: of this area right there is going to be a 637 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 1: right chest. The doctor actually said that he was Duck's 638 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: position as he's the bullet actually passes forward of his bicept, 639 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: so his right bicep, so his arm is kind of 640 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 1: cocked at the shoulder swinging backwards. Okay, he has an awareness, Dave. 641 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,840 Speaker 1: This bullet passes between his bossep, enters the right aspect 642 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: of his chest and then just obliterates his lung. Okay. 643 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: So he's laying there on the floor essentially bleeding out 644 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: as a result of this. 645 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 2: Foot So he's not facing her. He's not shot in 646 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: the chest basing forward. 647 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: He is shot in the side. He's also it has 648 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: to be pointed out that that Doug is also shot 649 00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: in the leg in addition to that, so you know, 650 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: the medical examiner is saying that essentially Doug's arm is back, 651 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: the right arm, so this round technically flies in front 652 00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: of the right boss up and enters his right chest. 653 00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,719 Speaker 1: Doug is also shot. Now get this, Dave the right 654 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: entered the outside of his right leg, okay, and exits 655 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: on the inside of his right leg. So if you'll 656 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:58,280 Speaker 1: take your hand and put it just beneath your right hip, okay, 657 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,080 Speaker 1: that's the right lateral aspect of your leg. And this 658 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: is how painful this is. It would have traversed now, 659 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: it could have gone strictly through soft tissue, which would 660 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: still hurt. But can you imagine the scene going through 661 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: perhaps I don't know, or clipping the femur, which is 662 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: the largest long bone in the body, and then it 663 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: exits out of the inner thigh of his body. So 664 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: he's losing blood not just in his right leg. But 665 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: one of the things that we encounter many times is 666 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: that when you have around that enters the chest and 667 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: clips along your space. This is actually called the plural cavity, 668 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: which is where your lungs actually rest. One of the 669 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: things that will happen is that that space begins to 670 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: fill up with blood. Okay, and your lungs can't operate 671 00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,480 Speaker 1: like they normally do. You know how when we inhale, 672 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: our lungs expand and we exhale air, you know, our 673 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 1: carbon dioxide goes out of our body. Well, you can't 674 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: do that any longer. So the person is essentially, you know, 675 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 1: essentially strangulating on their own blood because the lungs don't 676 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: function like they do. Not to mention structurally, his right 677 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,440 Speaker 1: lung is really heavily damaged, so you're gonna have blood 678 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: within the lung itself, and then the area surrounding that 679 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,919 Speaker 1: plural space inside of the lung, inside of the chest 680 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: cavity is going to be filling up with blood as well. 681 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 1: And here's an interesting little aside. You know, he was 682 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: taken from the scene. 683 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 2: With the. 684 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,640 Speaker 1: With this gunshot wound that he had sustained to the chest, 685 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: and they actually dropped a chest tube into his chest 686 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,080 Speaker 1: and utilized the bullet hole in his chest to drain it, 687 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,919 Speaker 1: which is very common because there's no need, if you will, 688 00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,719 Speaker 1: to create another defect in the chest and They do 689 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: this all the time in the emergency room. So if 690 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: you're shot in the chest and you're having to try 691 00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: to get as much of that blood out of that 692 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,279 Speaker 1: space as the lungs can begin to function as best 693 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: they can, particularly if they're traumatized, you're just going to 694 00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: go through the bullet hole. And we see this happen 695 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 1: many times in the more. Well, that's why, like if 696 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,960 Speaker 1: people have tubes in their throat, or if they have 697 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,719 Speaker 1: a tube in their nose, they have ivs, they have 698 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: chest tubes in we tell the medical staff, don't take 699 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,360 Speaker 1: any of that stuff out, just leave it in place. 700 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,600 Speaker 1: We want to see the body in its state that 701 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: you examined or that you treated the body in so 702 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,239 Speaker 1: that we can fully appreciate it. At the Morgan, that's 703 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,160 Speaker 1: what would have happened in a case like this, And 704 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: you're talking about a domestic abuse case where it's not 705 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,399 Speaker 1: just his injuries, but in addition to that, it's going 706 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 1: to be injuries that she alleges that she she in 707 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: fact has has sustained. Right, How how does this play 708 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: into the narrative that she's that she's propagating here and 709 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: there's there's no evidence whatsoever that she was the victim 710 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 1: of any kind of domestic abuse relative for what's presenting 711 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 1: or what is not presenting on her body. Also, you're 712 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: going to want to know if he has any evidence 713 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: of injuries on his body that would be compatible with 714 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 1: him striking anybody. I think is a big is a 715 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,000 Speaker 1: big part to this. So when you you begin to 716 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,520 Speaker 1: consider the totality of everything that has happened here, there's 717 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: nothing I think in the court came to this decision 718 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,560 Speaker 1: rightly so uh that there's no indication here that there 719 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: was any any kind of physical contact between the two 720 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: of them that would give you an indication that they 721 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: had been involved in any kind of ruckus whatsoever. There's 722 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: like a depressed area I think in the wall at 723 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 1: the scene where she claims that perhaps she was thrown 724 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,040 Speaker 1: into the wall by him. Well, there's no evidence of 725 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: that whatsoever that's being displayed on her body. I think 726 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 1: that that's and I don't think that the jury would 727 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,960 Speaker 1: buy that. There's too many questions in this case that 728 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: would have that are required for any reasonable person to 729 00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that this was an event that 730 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,320 Speaker 1: took place in self defense. That's the reason she was 731 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 1: charged and eventually found guilty of second degree murdered. I 732 00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,640 Speaker 1: think that it's important here with this particular case, that 733 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: we understand that there are individuals out there that are 734 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 1: truly suffering from the consequences of domestic islands, and that 735 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: those individuals are, in fact the true victims out there. 736 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: If you or anyone you know is suffering at the 737 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,680 Speaker 1: hands of someone in a volatile relationship, there is help. 738 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: Let's pass this number along and dial it. It's one 739 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,359 Speaker 1: eight hundred seven ninety nine seven two three three. That's 740 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 1: one eight hundred seven ninety nine seven two three three. 741 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,879 Speaker 1: I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, and this is body Back.