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Speaker 1: Never told your production of I High Radio. So Samantha,

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Speaker 1: of the holiday season, I'm seeing all these headlines about

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Speaker 1: and I recently discussed are kind of experiences, both old

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Speaker 1: I bought my first car at seventeen um and I

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Speaker 1: to Stuff Mom Never told You from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline

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Speaker 1: and I'm Kristen, and today we're talking about an adventure

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