WEBVTT - They Put the Metal Leg of the Bed Through His Head 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.720 Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grim 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:16.120 and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener discretion is advised. It 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.400 was three or four AM, and I was leaving what 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.680 had been a very long and fruitful paranormal investigation. The 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:28.400 building we'd been investigating was massive, falling apart in some places, 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.560 and had some of the most haunting history of any 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.080 place I'd ever been. It wasn't my first time here, 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.880 and it wouldn't be my last, but somehow this moment 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.400 felt different. As another investigator and I were walking the long, 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.800 dark halls to make our way out of the building, 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:49.600 I felt like I was being watched and was that 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.360 another set of footsteps behind us? I tried to shake 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:57.400 away my apprehension and focus on the prize, my comfortable 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:01.040 hotel room bed waiting for exhausted me, But as we 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:05.000 kept walking, I couldn't shake the feeling, the feeling like 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:07.880 the Boogeyman was about to reach out of the darkness 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.199 and grab my shoulder. It was then that my friend 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.120 and I stopped and looked at each other. He said, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.959 I feel like we're being followed. I felt it too, 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.880 of course, and told him so. We craned our necks 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:25.240 and stared behind us nothing, but I said loudly, I'm 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:28.080 sorry you can't come with us, but we'll be back. 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:31.959 We won't forget you. As we backed out of our 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.720 parking spot a few moments later, and the headlights flickered 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.600 across the rows of old windows and worn out brick 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:42.319 in front of us, I knew, I knew that someone 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:47.640 very much not alive was watching us from inside. Join me, 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.080 my friends as we head to West Virginia and visit 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:56.640 the trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. I'm Amy Brunei, and this 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:05.760 is Haunted Road. The town of Weston, West Virginia, is 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.440 a small community of about four thousand people, but in 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.640 spite of its modest size, it's historically been on the 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.880 cutting edge of technology and development. According to William M. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.880 Adler's entry on Weston in the West Virginia Encyclopedia, the 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.919 community adopted telephones and electric lights in the eighteen nineties. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:27.839 Around the turn of the century, it displayed its well 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:32.040 through paved streets, grand manners, a railroad stop, and public 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:35.160 schools for both white and black residents. All of this 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:40.960 affluence was thanks to one institution, the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum. 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.480 It's a stately, massive medical facility that combines Gothic and 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.560 Tudor revival flourishes. If you approach it via the tree 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.360 lined circular driveway, you'll pass a babbling blue fountain that 0:02:53.440 --> 0:02:55.680 lies right in front of the two hundred foot tall 0:02:55.720 --> 0:03:00.320 clock tower. As grandioseays, the exterior is, the inside feels 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:05.760 creepy and oppressive. The trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum doesn't operate anymore. 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:09.280 It's a tourist destination and with good costs. As the 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:14.120 facilities haven't been maintained. Visitors can walk down crumbling hallways 0:03:14.160 --> 0:03:18.320 where sky blue paint peals to reveal the grimy gray walls. 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:23.440 Underneath debris litters the slate colored floors, But beneath the 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.240 decay and warped molding you might see hints of the 0:03:26.280 --> 0:03:30.959 hospital's former grandeur. Formerly known as the West Virginia Hospital 0:03:31.000 --> 0:03:34.920 for the Insane, the Western State Hospital, and Weston Hospital, 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.600 the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum was first conceived in the 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:43.400 mid nineteenth century. The designers followed something called the Kirkbride Plan, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:49.440 a philosophy that emphasized empathy kindness and patient comforts. Adheerins 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:53.080 thought mental health facilities should be airy, spacious, sunlit, and 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:57.400 well staffed. At first, the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum seemed 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.680 like a fulfillment of this vision when it opened its 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.520 doors in eighteen sixty four. The massive blue sandstone building 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:07.839 featured multiple wards and a three hundred acre grounds where 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.960 residents could walk and relax. According to Kim Jack's Western 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:16.120 State Hospital, patients had access to card games and pool tables, 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.360 while staff organized on site dances and horse drawn carriage rides. 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:25.400 Over the next few decades, the facilities only expanded. New 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:28.000 wings were built with two and a half foot thick 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.479 walls engraved with images of people and animals. In the 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.560 twentieth century, they added a kitchen, a laundry, more residences, 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:40.680 and additional medical facilities. The Transallgating Lunatic Asylum's our history 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.400 page says that today the facility is the largest hand 0:04:44.520 --> 0:04:48.640 cut stone masonry building in North America, and it's purportedly 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.800 the second largest in the world, next to the Kremlin. 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:58.360 The hospital's glory didn't last for long. The structures weren't 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:01.119 well maintained, and it was only matter of time before, 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:05.400 paint peeled and walls crumbled worst the trans Alleghany Lunatic 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:10.479 Asylum was becoming dangerously overcrowded. At one point, it housed 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.040 seven hundred seventeen patients, even though it had only been 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.400 designed to accommodate two hundred and fifty, and this wasn't 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.880 even its peak. The population only swelled in the years 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.120 that followed. Although the hospital kept building new wings to 0:05:24.160 --> 0:05:27.120 accommodate the growing need, they couldn't keep up with demand, 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.720 and they continued admitting new residents they could not properly 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:35.560 care for. In early nineteen forty nine, a journalist named 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:39.520 Charles Armentrout visited the hospital and wrote a report on 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.400 what he found there. He described the facilities as stench 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:47.640 filled with evil odors that assailed the nostrils. In one room, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:50.160 he saw a pair of two by fours had been 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.440 slid under a sagging ceiling to prevent it from caving in. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.000 Another residential building had been condemned a full five years before, 0:05:58.320 --> 0:06:02.080 but it was still operating by the nineteen fifties, when 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.320 the patients numbered in the thousands. The resident to staff 0:06:05.440 --> 0:06:09.839 ratio was roughly two hundred fifty to one. The employees 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:13.560 were stretched thin, as were resources. In turn, the patient 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:18.440 care almost certainly suffered. Most residents didn't even receive proper 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.920 headstones when they died on the premises. Many were buried 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:25.560 in one of the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum's three graveyards. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.960 As reported by Kim Jackson's Western State Hospital, when people 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.159 were interred, their only grave marker was a plaque with 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.560 a number on it. The staff maintained a database so 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:41.200 they could track which number corresponded to which deceased patient. However, 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:45.280 these plaques were eventually removed. Jack speculates it might have 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:48.800 been to make lawn care easier. Thousands of graves are 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.280 now unmarked, other than the marble monuments that were erected 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:57.200 near each graveyard's entrance in the nineteen nineties. Given the 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.440 lack of proper staffing and resources, it was a matter 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.120 of time before the packed facility would become the site 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:06.719 of a disaster. On October third, nineteen thirty five, some 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.880 time before ten forty five am, a fire ignited in 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:13.480 the south wings Ward six attic. The building housed six 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.960 hundred residents, give or take, and when firefighters arrived on 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.560 the scene, the first priority was getting all the occupants 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.240 to safety. They thought they evacuated all the patients, but 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.080 they were wrong. It was all too easy to lose 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.920 track of a resident given the overcrowded conditions and the 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.600 confusion of the evacuation. One patient was still asleep in 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.520 the attic when the bell woke the other residence. By 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:38.400 the time he awakened, the blaze roared between him and 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.840 the exit. There was no avenue for escape except through 0:07:41.960 --> 0:07:46.720 the windows. Luckily, someone saw the trapped resident. The firefighters 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.280 retrieved the ladder, and the chief climbed it to rescue 0:07:49.280 --> 0:07:54.040 the patient, only to encounter another challenge. The Transallaghany Lunatic 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.440 Asylum had previously installed iron bars on every window. This 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.960 was to prevent patients from jumping. Now those grates that 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.800 were supposed to keep the patient safe had imprisoned one 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.440 of them in a burning building. Amazingly, the resident managed 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.600 to bend the iron bars enough that he could squeeze 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:13.280 through the gap between them. Perhaps the heat of the 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:16.120 fire was enough to make the metal pliable, or maybe 0:08:16.240 --> 0:08:19.840 the grates were already in disrepair. Either way, the patient 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:22.880 miraculously escaped the blaze, and no one was killed. In 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:26.560 the inferno, but there have been other instances of bloodshed 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:32.240 at the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum. The first recorded murder 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.960 at the hospital happened in January of eighteen seventy seven. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.920 According to Teresa's Haunted History of the tri State by 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.600 Teresa Racer, one resident came to believe that God wanted 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.920 him to kill a fellow patient. He followed the apparently 0:08:47.040 --> 0:08:50.000 divine command by taking a bed slat and beating the 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.000 other resident to death. One local paper described the violence 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:56.920 by saying his head had been mashed into a jelly. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.640 More violence followed homicides. The staff was probably stretched too 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:05.160 thin to prevent. Another deadly beating occurred in eighteen eighty one, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:08.080 a strangling in nineteen sixty three, and a stabbing in 0:09:08.160 --> 0:09:12.880 nineteen seventy two. In nineteen eighty seven, two patients conspired 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.400 to kill a kindly forty nine year old mute man 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:18.640 named Dean Methanie, who was a resident at the facility. 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.040 They hanged him with a bedsheet, then, according to Kim 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:25.319 Jackson's Western State Hospital, they put the metal leg of 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:29.600 the bed through his head. When authorities discovered the crime scene, 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:32.560 the culprits reportedly claimed that a ghost was to blame 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.760 for the murder, while the perpetrators were deemed unfit to 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.840 stand trial. There may have been something to their claims 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:42.760 about a ghost. Since Dean Methanie's violent death, visitors have 0:09:42.840 --> 0:09:46.720 experienced weird phenomena in his bedroom. People say they felt 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.800 an invisible presence giving them a hug. Some see their 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.520 flashlights turn on and off on their own, and ghost 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.240 hunters have picked up EVP in his quarters. It's thought 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.319 to be Methany himself. While he was unable to speak 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.920 aloud in life, he seemingly has found a way to 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.280 communicate in death. Some believe one of Methanie's killers also 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:10.120 haunts the asylum. The spirit called Big Jim lingers on 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:13.640 the third floor, along with another specter called Elizabeth, a 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:18.360 former nurse. Beyond that, the massive hospital, with a facade 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.599 that spans almost a quarter mile, has several rooms and 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.079 wards with a generally creepy feeling to them. The fourth 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:28.160 floor began as staff residence and then was converted into 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:31.760 a ward for patients with substance use disorders. Its doors 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:34.800 won't open and stick even when there's nothing obstructing them. 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.840 One visitor says they once heard pounding on the other 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:40.160 side of the door and got the impression that someone 0:10:40.160 --> 0:10:43.400 didn't want them to come in. This floor is also 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.200 said to be home to a ghost named Jacob. Investigators 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.480 have claimed they captured an audio recording of Jacob's searching 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:54.199 for a beer. Visitors have seen shadows in the morgue 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.160 throughout the facility. Figures are sometimes seen standing in the 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:01.400 corners of rooms. Furniture, including rocky chairs and doors, moves 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.200 on its own. Some sniff the lingering scent of tobacco 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.360 or perfume. Others say they feel someone touching or scratching them, 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.079 even when there's no one nearby. In hallways that should 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.200 be empty, guests report hearing whispered words or laughter, or 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:21.960 gurney wheels, squeaking. Unexplained lights flicker in the distance, while 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:26.480 passers through find themselves suddenly chilled in cold spots. In 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.360 ward f which began as a woman's ward and was 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:33.000 converted into housing for the most violent patients, tourists hear 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.760 footsteps and empty hallways, and crushing feelings of grief wash 0:11:36.800 --> 0:11:40.160 over them. A ghost named Jack is said to lurk 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.200 in the kitchen. He's sometimes joined by the specter of 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:46.880 a little person, and reports suggest Jack is protective of 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:50.240 his companion. He'll lash out if he thinks anyone is 0:11:50.280 --> 0:11:53.960 mocking his friend, but he's kind to children and pretty women. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:59.199 The most famous specter at the trans Alleghany Lunatic Asylum 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.080 might be a ghost known as Lily. Lily is a 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:05.800 nine year old girl who in some reports wears a 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:10.080 nightgown wore a white dress. No one knows exactly how 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.920 the young child ended up at the old mental hospital. 0:12:13.360 --> 0:12:16.439 One story, which is almost certainly false, tells of a 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.080 woman who checked into the facility after surviving a sexual assault. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.560 She became pregnant and gave birth, only for her child 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.240 to be stillborn. According to this legend, the baby's ghost 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.880 continued to age until she became the spirit of a 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:33.560 nine year old girl. Other accounts say Lily died of 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:37.199 pneumonia at the facility around nineteen twenty. People who have 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.640 visited the hospital say they sometimes feel a childlike hand 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:44.000 grasp theirs, or they hear a little girl giggling. If 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.600 you put out a gift gum or a piece of candy, 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.040 then leave the room, you may return to find it 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.400 has been moved. A historian named Shelley Bailey witnessed this 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.680 first hand. She told her story on the TV show 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.560 Ghost Hunters. Sounds familiar. It was later covered in Trans 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:04.120 Allegheny Lunatic Asylum and The Haunting Enigma of Lily by 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.960 Eric Olsen. According to his reporting, Shelley left out a 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.400 box of crackerjacks. She later heard the box being opened 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.319 and a crunching noise. Then an EVP recording captured the 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:19.719 words thank you for the snacks. In ward four, There's 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.120 a room full of toys just for Lily to play with. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.920 She seems fond of a jewelry box with a dancing 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:29.319 ballerina inside. It sometimes plays on its own. Some guests 0:13:29.360 --> 0:13:31.840 have also rolled a ball across the room, only for 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.200 it to return. They believe Lily is playing with them. 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.160 By all accounts, Lily's ghosts doesn't seem malicious. In fact, 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.160 the many spirits who lurk at Trans Alleghany seem friendly 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:46.200 or at least indifferent to visitors. It's striking given the 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:49.439 hospital's dark history. In addition to the murders and the 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:53.120 brutal conditions due to overcrowding, this facility was the site 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.439 of many barbaric mental health treatments. Here, people were subjected 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:03.080 to transorbital lobotomies, electroh treatment, insulin shock therapy, and hydrotherapy 0:14:03.120 --> 0:14:06.839 involving ice cold water. According to Jim Barnes's Washington Post 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:10.200 article in West Virginia, a moving, respectful tour of the 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:14.160 trans Allegheny Lunatic Asylum. But if the ghosts bear a 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.520 grudge for their suffering, it doesn't come across in the haunting. 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.680 Up next, we will be talking with someone who's very 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.960 familiar with the asylum's hauntings. Brandy Butcher, the paranormal events 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.160 coordinator at Trans Alleghany. She's been there for over a 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.240 decade and she has some fascinating theories and stories to share. 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:43.680 That's coming up after the break. I am now joined 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:48.000 by Brandy Butcher, who is the paranormal event manager at 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.920 Trans Alleghany, and she's been there for quite a while. White, Brandy, 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:52.760 that is correct. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:54.320 I've been there almost ten years now. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.920 That's amazing. You know. I have been fortunate enough that 0:14:57.000 --> 0:15:00.920 I have investigated there quite a few time over the years. 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.920 I've been there a few times with ghost hunters. I 0:15:03.960 --> 0:15:08.359 went back there with paranormal lockdown and it never disappoints 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:11.520 like there was always a ton of activity. So is 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:13.080 that why you found yourself there? 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:14.480 Yes, yes it is. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.680 Now did you start in the capacity of paranormal event manager? 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.880 How did you kind of come to this position that 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:21.480 you're in now? 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:21.800 Now? 0:15:21.840 --> 0:15:24.480 I started as a paranormal tour guide and I would 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.240 help god guests through on our two hour nighttime tours 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.440 and then our overnight investigations, and you know, help guests 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.920 investigate find their comfort zone within the asylum. 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:36.880 Which, as you know, can be kind of tricky. 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:40.000 To do, is finding a comfort zone in there. And 0:15:40.040 --> 0:15:41.800 then I have just kind of worked my way up 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:42.520 over the years. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.360 It's a very intimidating building when you come up to it, 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.000 like it's just it looks like a very scary place, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.000 and when you step inside, there's different dynamics depending on 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:55.800 where you are in the building. I feel like like 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:59.200 sometimes it feels very comforting and peaceful, and then other 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:03.160 times you define feel like someone is like over your 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:05.400 shoulder and they want you to leave. Has that been 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:06.240 your experience? 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:06.840 Oh? 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:10.200 Absolutely, Like you said, there are so many different dynamics. 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:14.280 There's so much, you know, different types of history, so 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:17.440 many different types of history within the asylum besides just 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.680 you know, the hospital itself. So yeah, you you know, 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:23.040 it depends on where you're at on you know, the 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:26.160 emotions in the feelings you're going to experience. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.400 I liked how it seems well. Last time I was there, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.120 I mean, I'm trying to remember when it was. I 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.960 think it was probably about ten years ago. I do 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.760 feel like at that time there was I felt like 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.560 there was a lot of exhibits in history being displayed 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:42.560 that gave a really good kind of background of what 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.920 went on there in a very respectful way too. And 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:47.360 I feel like there was also I don't know if 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.480 that's still there, but there was a lot of art 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.840 displayed by past patients. There is that still in that 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:54.600 big hallway. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:57.320 It is not in that hallway now, but we do 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.720 still have our patient art museum room. We REDOI at 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:04.840 our museum rooms, so it's a little more time. It's 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.560 easier to follow timeline wise to see the history of 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:08.200 the asylum. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:08.520 Now. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:11.960 Our layout is so that you can go from the beginning, 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.560 you know, the rooms start with all the way back 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.480 to some of the Civil War history that we have 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.680 on the property and then goes up until the later 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:21.840 years of the asylum before it closed. So now you 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:24.439 can kind of walk the timeline of the asylum. And 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.600 we do still have a patient art gallery within the 0:17:26.680 --> 0:17:27.439 museum rooms. 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.320 That's great, that's really fascinating. So what do you tell 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:32.000 people when you're about to take people in there for 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.879 panormal investigation? What is kind of the pep talk that 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:36.800 you give them before you go inside. 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.639 We usually like to tell people, you know, try to 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:43.439 stay calm, definitely not to feed the building with your fear. 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.800 I do believe that, you know, the more intimidated you 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.640 go in, the more you know raveled you may get 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:51.960 throughout the experience. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:53.800 Open mind. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.840 Respect is a major thing with the asylum. The spirits 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.720 and their respect goes a very, very long way. It's 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.840 very different than investigating a prison or a lot of 0:18:02.840 --> 0:18:03.679 other locations. 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:04.880 When you're in a. 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:09.199 Former hospital, especially a former asylum, so respect goes a 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.280 long ways. And you know, if you give the building 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.560 respect a lot of the time, even if you have 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:19.280 a scary experience, it hopefully or usually isn't something aggressive. 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.639 It's just you know, maybe, like you said, something that 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.840 doesn't want you in its in its space. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.520 Yeah, you know, It's funny. When we went back there 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:30.080 with Panormal Lockdown, they remembered us, so we actually got 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.680 an EVP of them saying Adam's name. Do you find 0:18:34.720 --> 0:18:37.399 that they kind of that the spirits start to recognize 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.680 people that are there more often and start to kind 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.840 of develop like relationships with them or kinships with them. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:45.240 Oh. Absolutely. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.280 I thought that was a really really cool piece of 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.840 evidence that you guys captured on that. I found that 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:53.520 quite interesting because the building does remember, and especially if 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:56.199 you go in, you know, in a respectful manner, the 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.679 way you guys have and the way we do as employees, 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.959 and you know, we expect our guests to they absolutely 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:06.000 will remember. And yeah, they remember us as employees. Obviously, 0:19:06.000 --> 0:19:08.280 I've been there a long time, so they like to 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.000 mimic me. They have said my name through spirit boks 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:14.120 and things like that throughout the building, and it definitely 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.000 has you know, the building has a memory. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.040 So yeah, I mean I feel like some of these 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.000 spirits are getting more respect in death and they might 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.679 have in life, you know, the way that investigators are 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:26.120 going in there now, and so I could see them 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.359 opening up a bit more over time. 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:30.679 Yeah, it does matter, and you know, I've had a 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:32.760 lot of teams come in and tell me that, you know, 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.240 going in with a respectful approach makes a huge difference 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.400 in their level of activity. And you know, if one 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.520 thing that we like to practice at the asylum is 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.800 that if we don't learn from our past, we're doomed 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.199 to repeat it. So even though the history, you know, 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.040 isn't the prettiest, we have to teach people about what 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.560 it was like for these patients. And you know how 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.560 far the treatments and you know, health care has come 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.000 for mental illnesses compared to back then. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:03.480 So absolutely that's so important. Kind of going through the asylum, 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:07.560 it's very large. You can get lost in there very easily. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:11.560 What is kind of like the most common type of 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:14.080 paranormal activity that people experience there? 0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:18.119 I would say the most frequent activity or the reports 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.800 are being followed, especially if you're, like you said, if 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:24.480 you might get confused turned around and you're trying to 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:26.560 find your way out, maybe walking through a ward or 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.800 a hallway by yourself, the most frequent report is that 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.680 someone was following you out of that ward. Has happened 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.320 to myself many many times over the years, So that's 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.560 probably our most common is they do like to follow us, 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:39.280 watch what we're doing here, what we're saying. 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:43.399 So that is so interesting that you say that, because 0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:46.560 I talked about it in the first half. But when 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:51.000 Adam and I left one night from filming there, we 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:53.359 were both like, we walked all the way down this 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:55.439 long hallway, went out the back door, and we were 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:58.840 walking toward our rental car, and both of us just 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.800 stopped and looked at each other and we were like, 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:05.199 there's someone following us. Like we just we felt it. 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.440 And I remember we turned around and we were like, hey, 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:12.000 you know, much respect to you, but we will be 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.199 back tomorrow, but you know, you can't come with us. 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:15.760 I don't know if they ever follow people home, but 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:18.680 it certainly felt like, yeah, feeling like someone's like right 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:20.960 behind you. And that's so funny because he and I 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:23.159 talk about that to this day. We bring it up 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.320 in lectures and everything. And I had no idea that 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:26.960 it was such a frequent report there. 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:29.440 Oh yeah, it happens to me quite often. When I'm 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:30.320 locking up at night. 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.720 I'll walk down through certain areas to lock up, you know, 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.280 while the guides or my other staff are out in 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.840 the lobby or in our break room, and yeah, I 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:40.920 often will hear some either footsteps or like you said, 0:21:40.920 --> 0:21:43.600 I'll get that feeling like someone's following me. And a 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.000 lot of us also practice you know, the hey, we'll 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.359 be back, we'll see you next time, we'll bring you 0:21:48.400 --> 0:21:50.719 whatever you need. If maybe they, you know, bribed us 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:52.959 for some cigarettes or something like that during a session. 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:57.119 And yeah, we've never had any problems with anything following 0:21:57.200 --> 0:21:59.320 us home. It's always just a matter of following us 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:01.160 down the hallways, maybe around the property. 0:22:01.320 --> 0:22:04.320 So yeah, and they might not have even followed us home. 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:06.919 It was almost like we were being escorted, like you know, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.160 like maybe they were just kind of seeing us out 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.640 or something. But we both the fact that we both 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:13.720 felt it at the same time was so wild, and 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:16.800