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Speaker 1: Welcome in our number two Friday edition of the Clay

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Speaker 1: of you are watching on video right now. I believe

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Speaker 1: I don't know if Bucks on Are you on video?

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Speaker 1: I'm not your Bucks in Nashville in one of our

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Speaker 1: you guys right now. If I'm not, We'll be back

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Speaker 1: on video together on Monday. We're joined now by Andy McCarthy,

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Speaker 1: who's Mets. But they finally beat the Phillies, who can't

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Speaker 1: lose at all. I'm saying that is a Braves fan,

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Speaker 1: because the Phillies have I don't know one like. It

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Speaker 1: feels like every game has been played so far this year. Andy,

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Speaker 1: question for you, how devastating was the Michael Cohen tech testimony?

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Speaker 1: The cross X if we had a fully honest and

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Speaker 1: paying attention jury and not people who had already made

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Speaker 1: up their mind about Donald Trump. Is there any doubt

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Speaker 1: in your mind as a prosecutor that there was enough

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Speaker 1: reasonable doubt shown that there should be some people open

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Speaker 1: to a not guilty verdict if they have not already

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Speaker 1: made up their minds? How would you assess that testimony.

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Speaker 2: If we just look at it clay is testimony in

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Speaker 2: like a straightforward trial where everybody knew what had to

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Speaker 2: be proved for the prosecution to get to the finish line.

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Speaker 3: I would say that it should.

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Speaker 2: Have been game over in terms of his testimony, because

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Speaker 2: as I see the case as it should be understood legally,

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Speaker 2: as opposed to how it's been tried in the court,

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Speaker 2: and the insufficient notice and the fairy tale kind of

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Speaker 2: version of events that the jury is getting, then I

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Speaker 2: think that Cohen is the only link for a couple

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Speaker 2: of things that the prosecution has to prove, and they'd

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Speaker 3: Position to get up.

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Speaker 2: The defense would to argue to the jury that you

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Speaker 2: obviously can't convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt on.

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Speaker 3: The basis of this guy's testimony.

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Speaker 2: Which by the way, is precisely why my old office,

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Speaker 2: which had this investigation first, didn't charge the case. There's

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Speaker 2: no way you can do this case without Colin.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let me follow up.

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Speaker 1: Then you are Judge merchand let's pretend that you are

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Speaker 1: not a left wing political operative, which frankly it sometimes

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Speaker 1: seems that he is more than a judge. This case

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Speaker 1: is going to be complete. Trump's team will ask for

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Speaker 1: a directed verdict. They'll basically say that the crime wasn't proven.

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Speaker 1: They've already asked for a mistrial that's been rejected. Should

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Speaker 1: Judge merchand say, as a matter of law, this case

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Speaker 1: has not been proven and toss the case. If in

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Speaker 1: your mind, if he were completely down the middle just

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Speaker 1: trying to call balls and strikes, what should happen on

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Speaker 1: that motion, which will certainly happen at the end of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he should throw the case out, Clay, But I

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Speaker 2: want to be clear on how poor this case is

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Speaker 2: in order to rent to that conclusion. Because you started

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Speaker 3: Is exactly what you should ask me about. Is that

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Speaker 3: was a big event of this week.

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Speaker 2: But you know, we know as lawyers that the test

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Speaker 2: on you know, at the end of the government's case

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Speaker 2: there's basically three things. You have to prove the falsity

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Speaker 2: I think, arguably you can say that some of the documents,

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Speaker 2: But I don't see any evidence of fraud which he

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Speaker 2: I don't see any evidence that Trump was even thinking

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Speaker 2: The fact that he didn't shows that it didn't even

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Speaker 5: Andy, this is what I've been saying all along. If

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Speaker 5: what the government says here is true, you could run

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Speaker 5: for office and then have your campaign war chest and write,

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Speaker 5: you know, million dollar checks to ten different women that

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Speaker 5: and that would be a campaign expenditure.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Buck, But let's be realistic about how you

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: What Trump would simply have done was in his sec

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Speaker 2: And that isn't crazy because if you look at the

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Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton campaign, which actually did get fined by the

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Speaker 2: Federal Election Commission for their conduct in the twenty sixteen election.

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Speaker 2: They called the Steele dossier legal expenses, and the Federal

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Speaker 2: Election Commission when they find them, said no, no, it

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Speaker 2: was opposition research. But my point is that what a campaign.

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Speaker 2: You know, those those were legal deals. They had to

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Speaker 2: So you know, obviously what he would have done if

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Speaker 2: he thought this was a campaign expenditure, he would have

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to go into his pocket for right.

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Speaker 2: He would have paid it with campaign money and they

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Speaker 2: would have just said on their FEC disclosure legal expenses,

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Speaker 1: So what happens now Andy this case? Do you think

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Speaker 1: analyzing the jury pool itself, because I think just about

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Speaker 1: case would say, on the merits, there is reasonable doubt here,

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Speaker 1: as you laid out. You think the judge should give

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Speaker 1: meaning that the prosecution's really fallen all over its face.

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Speaker 1: What happens now, though, presuming that merchand won't do that,

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Speaker 1: Do you think there is a one or more juror

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a high likelihood that more than

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Speaker 2: one juror will refuse to convict. I don't think Trump

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Speaker 2: talked about this before. I'm not as down on New

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Speaker 3: And look, I'm an.

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Speaker 2: Old guy over the hill who hasn't tried a case

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Speaker 3: Get that, and the city's changed.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, Trump only needs one, you know, to win.

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Speaker 2: And to me, from all the reporting I heard, including

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Speaker 2: the jury seems to be paying riveted attention to blanch

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Speaker 2: his cross examination of oh, it was.

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Speaker 4: A bad day, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is fascinating to me because you're a super

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Speaker 1: smart guy here, Andy, did you think one would vote

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Speaker 1: not guilty before the trial started or is this based

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Speaker 1: on how the trial has gone in your mind?

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Speaker 2: I thought that I've always thought that Trump had a

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Speaker 2: chance to get a home jury. Gun to my head,

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Speaker 2: I said before the trial, I think he'd be convicted.

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Speaker 2: And the main reason, Clay is and I don't think

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Speaker 2: this is a huge problem. The unseen dynamic in a

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Speaker 2: criminal jury trial. Civil trials may be a little bit different,

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Speaker 2: but in a criminal trial, it's always how the jury.

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Speaker 3: Thinks the judge is thinking about the case.

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Speaker 2: The jury takes their cues from the judge, and it's

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Speaker 2: a big deal in a trial how the judge seems

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Speaker 2: In every criminal case I was ever involved in, you

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Speaker 2: that didn't belong in court. And it's not necessarily anything.

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Speaker 3: Especially with the smart judges.

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Speaker 2: It's not anything that you could ever point to in

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Speaker 2: the transcript. But there's a kind of you know, there's

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Speaker 2: a body language. There's a way you go about things.

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Speaker 2: When I tried the blind Shaw case years ago in

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Speaker 3: It was a big deal to the.

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Speaker 3: When the witness got the stand.

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Speaker 2: It was serious business. Now, you wouldn't see anything in

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Speaker 2: because I don't think he did.

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Speaker 3: He did what his job was.

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Speaker 2: But he conveyed to the jury that what we were

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Speaker 2: case was being proved in a serious way and it

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Speaker 2: wasn't a three ring circus. That's a powerful message to

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Speaker 2: So a lot will depend on like how did they

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Speaker 2: feel about merch On and how did they think?

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Speaker 3: Do they think he's been fair? And do they think.

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Speaker 2: How what did they think of how he's interacted with

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Speaker 2: the prosecutors.

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Speaker 3: I think that's really important.

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Speaker 5: Andy, Let's assume that it is a hung jury. There's

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Speaker 5: one hold out. Clearly that's a disaster for the brag

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Speaker 5: prosecution here. What do you see as the likely second

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Speaker 5: order effects of that in terms of the other cases,

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Speaker 5: what Bragg's office would do then? Would they move to

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Speaker 5: even try to do another trial? You think would this

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Speaker 5: affect the way that the other legal cases would be

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Speaker 5: You know, basically, do you think somebody might drop another

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Speaker 2: I don't think this case would ever be tried again

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Speaker 2: if it ends up in a hung jury. And I

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Speaker 2: really don't think.

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Speaker 3: That it's just going to be one. I think it'll

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Speaker 3: be more than one.

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Speaker 2: Sure we'll see, but I don't know that the collapse

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Speaker 3: That's not going to happen, Sam.

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Speaker 5: And unfortunately, Andy, I can tell you this from friends

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I can't even begin to get into

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Speaker 2: The minute they decide to go public, they'll be public.

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Speaker 1: There is a video that CNN has obtained of the

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Speaker 1: music mogul Ditty beating the crap out of his then girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: It appears in what they say is the Intercontinental Hotel

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Speaker 4: It's now well, you do know.

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Speaker 5: It's just the answer is that people didn't want to

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Speaker 5: the reason it was both powerful and so hated is

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Speaker 5: because it is true when you say things that people

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Speaker 5: don't like, that they don't agree with that they know

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Speaker 5: are false, you know, unless you're defaming them personally or something.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: But you know, if someone gets up there and says,

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Speaker 5: you know, you know what's really going to make you

447
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Speaker 5: happy in life, chasing money, do everything you can to

448
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Speaker 5: chase money, you're gonna be like, well, that guy's an idiot,

449
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Speaker 5: because that's not true. It's not going to make you happy.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: But if somebody gets up there and says specific specifically

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Speaker 5: to women, but it's true for men as well, fore going,

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Speaker 5: you know, or I should say, deprioritizing marriage and family

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Speaker 5: and faith is for most people. And this is the

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Speaker 5: people also lose all context. This is where you get

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Speaker 5: people say, well I did this and it.

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Speaker 4: Worked out for me.

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Speaker 5: Everyone has allowed their individual choice for their path in life.

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Speaker 5: It's a question of what he was talking about is

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Speaker 5: what in general as a philosophy, as an approach, is

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Speaker 5: going to engender the most happiness, the most stability, the

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Speaker 5: most you know, productivity in all senses.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: And the reason people get so upset when they hear this,

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Speaker 5: who disagree with them is because at some level they

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Speaker 5: know it's true, and especially people who have made life

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Speaker 5: choices that they cannot undo. They hear this, and they

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Speaker 5: don't want to believe that it was a choice they

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Speaker 5: made that has led them to be unhappy. They want

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Speaker 5: to believe that it's the patriarchy or Donald Trump or whatever.

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Speaker 5: There's always some excuse and then the constant refueling of

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Speaker 5: the delusion with the pop culture stuff about how you

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Speaker 5: do you? You know, girl power? Yeah, be a boss

474
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Speaker 5: like it's awesome sometimes sometimes generally not. And anyway, so

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Speaker 5: your point about Ditty Versus or Sean Combs and.

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Speaker 4: Whatever his name is not, he's on.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's been very apparent that he's a very

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Speaker 5: bad person for a long time. But people, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm sure Anna Winter and all the rest have been

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Speaker 5: kissing up to this guy for the last thirty years

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Speaker 5: without any pause, and they will try to continue to

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Speaker 5: do so if they can get away with it.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised shifting gears to what we talked about

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Speaker 1: the top of the hour? Were you surprised with how

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Speaker 1: confident Andy McCarthy is that we're going to get a

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Speaker 1: hung jury here?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 5: I was surprised. I like where his head is at.

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Speaker 5: I just can't emotion I just can't like psychologically get

491
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Speaker 5: there because there's just so much there's so much darkness

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Speaker 5: that you face when you look into what's being done

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Speaker 5: to Donald Trump. I would feel this way if it

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Speaker 5: were another Republican running too. I want to be very

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Speaker 5: clear about that. You're gonna say no. If they did

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Speaker 5: this to Mitt Romney, I would be going to the

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Speaker 5: mat in defense of ye Romney, because.

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Speaker 4: You're willing to stand on principle, not the person.

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Speaker 5: That's important if it And honestly, if they were doing

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Speaker 5: this to you know, the same set of facts and circumstance,

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Speaker 5: but they were doing this to a Democrat, I would

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Speaker 5: be telling our side. First of all, our side doesn't

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Speaker 5: have the stones. You know, we never we We're always like, oh,

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Speaker 5: you know, we need to police each other, and let's

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Speaker 5: not become the monster to fight the monster and all

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Speaker 5: that stuff. Our side wouldn't do it, but if we were,

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Speaker 5: I'd be saying, this is not how we do business.

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Speaker 5: I got yelled at by a lot of people once

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Speaker 5: because there was I forget even what it was. There

510
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Speaker 5: was a conservative moment of anger over something and people

511
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Speaker 5: blocked a bridge and I was like, we don't do that, guys,

512
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Speaker 5: don't we don't do the blocking the bridge thing. That's

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Speaker 5: that's for left wing lunatics. That's not how we roll.

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Speaker 5: And people said, you know, some people said you gotta

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Speaker 5: have you got to have some sense of principle or else,

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Speaker 5: what are you even doing? What are you fighting for?

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine if a New York City jury refuses

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Speaker 1: to convict Trump on this case, what the immediate reaction

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Speaker 1: on I will tell you to be MSNBC that night.

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Speaker 5: I will do for sure. We should definitely make sure

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Speaker 5: you text and remind me when that when that verdict

522
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Speaker 5: comes down. Hate watching MSNBC when something great happens for

523
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Speaker 5: Trump is honestly one of the most joyful experiences you'll

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Speaker 5: ever have of TV watching. But I think Clay I

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Speaker 5: would go so far as to say that if it

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Speaker 5: is truly a hung jury, I think they worry very

527
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Speaker 5: much about Biden's fire, or they worry even more about

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Speaker 5: Biden's viability. I don't know. Then if it becomes Kamala

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Speaker 5: takes over, I've always said that's possible, But the the

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Speaker 5: narrative that this creates becomes inescapable of they really are

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Speaker 5: trying to They're already rigging the election, and it will

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Speaker 5: look like Donald Trump is beating.

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Speaker 1: Their rig job and on path to win reelection. Let

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Speaker 1: me give you a thought as we go to break

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Speaker 1: here the reason why Biden wants June and September as

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Speaker 1: the trial dates. He's trying to early September. He's trying

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Speaker 1: to avoid there being a conflict if they try to

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Speaker 1: rush through court proceedings. Because if Trump's saying, you've got

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Speaker 1: me in court all day, how am I supposed to

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Speaker 1: be preparing for an actual case?

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Speaker 4: Heard?

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Speaker 1: It's impossible has two months for the erase the election.

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Speaker 5: It is possible that that j six case happens. It

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Speaker 5: is possible that they get it started. It is not likely.

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Speaker 5: I would give it probably one in five odds or something,

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Speaker 5: or five to.

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Speaker 4: No or five to one.

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Speaker 5: Yes, there we go. I got to learn the betting lingo.

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Speaker 5: If you're a gun owner, I know about guns, I

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Speaker 5: don't know about betting. Really, I'm going to suggest adding

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Speaker 5: a new firearm your collection, made by Bear Creek Arsenal.

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Speaker 5: North Carolina based company has been making high quality firearms

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Speaker 5: and manufacturing. They offer such a wide range of premium

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Speaker 5: I honestly had a hard time even believing it when

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Speaker 5: I first saw what the prices were, and then I

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Speaker 5: They're so well made, they're accurate, and you're just getting

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Speaker 5: They're growing fast, and it's because the more people learn

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton chuck up a win for

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Speaker 1: Team Reality.

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Speaker 5: All right, there's still sanity out there in the world,

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Speaker 5: not just on this show some other places. We try

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Speaker 5: to find that sanity and bring it to you, package

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Speaker 5: it up nicely for you. Gracie Hunt is the daughter

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Speaker 5: of the Chief's owner, Clark Hunt. She waited on this

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Speaker 5: Harrison Butker speech.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing.

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Speaker 5: I guess the media will say it's controversial. There's nothing controversial.

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Speaker 5: The guy is a believing Catholic who actually thinks that

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Speaker 5: the teachings of the church are not just valid, but

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Speaker 5: a good idea for your life. You know, agree or

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Speaker 5: disagree with here, that's fine. He's not trying to make

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Speaker 5: anybody do anything. He's sharing his opinion at a commencement.

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Speaker 5: But again, as I said, the truth is, you know,

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Speaker 5: you really don't want to tell, especially the sort of

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Speaker 5: Democrat cat ladies out there who think that career at

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Speaker 5: the expense of everything else is a past way to happiness.

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Speaker 5: They don't want to hear that maybe there are other

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Speaker 5: choices that young women should consider, or at least should prioritize.

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Speaker 5: A Gracie Hunt, she has an idea on what makes

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Speaker 5: sense here Play thirteen.

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Speaker 4: The Couch would like to.

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Speaker 5: Know, as America would, that the reaction from the Hunt

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Speaker 5: family regarding the kicker Harrison.

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Speaker 6: Butker Well, I can only speak from my own experience,

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Speaker 6: which is I've had the most incredible mom who had

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Speaker 6: the ability to stay home and be with us as

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Speaker 6: kids staring up. And I understand that there are many

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Speaker 6: women out there who can't make that decision, but for me,

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Speaker 6: in my life, I know it was really formative in

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Speaker 6: shaping me and my siblings to be who we are.

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Speaker 5: So you understood what he was talking about for sure.

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Speaker 6: And I really respect Harrison and his Christian faith and

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Speaker 6: what he's accomplished on and off the field.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, how Well says that a very just a very

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Speaker 7: reasonable and I think an astute observation from the owner

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Speaker 7: of the chiefs.

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Speaker 4: Owner of the chief's daughter. That's great honor of the

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Speaker 4: chief's daughter. Yeah, but Buck.

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Speaker 1: She also is saying that she was appearing on Fox

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Speaker 1: and Friends this morning playing pickleball. So she's standing there

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Speaker 1: with a pickleball paddle in her hand in the you

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Speaker 1: know whatever, you would call it, a pickleball playing outfit,

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Speaker 1: and somehow she makes more sense than ninety nine percent

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Speaker 1: of people in the media, which is having a mom

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Speaker 1: who can stay home because your family is financially secure

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Speaker 1: is a luxury. It's something that many families aspire to

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Speaker 1: have the option to do. It doesn't mean that you

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Speaker 1: have to do it. And it's also very beneficial for

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Speaker 1: kids to have two parents in the household, especially if

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Speaker 1: one of them can be a primary caregiver. The fact

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Speaker 1: that this is considered controversial really is evidence of how

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Speaker 1: to me, we use the word controversy really just to

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Speaker 1: attack arguments that we don't like, and that's what.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot, there's a lot here to examine. I mean,

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Speaker 5: I remember how in the nineties, you know, there was

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Speaker 5: this thing about a lot of different shows would have

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Speaker 5: the fight to see if grandma and grandpa were going

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Speaker 5: to go into the nursing home. There are a lot

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Speaker 5: of families grandma and grandpa pitching in and helping with

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Speaker 5: the kids. It's happened. I know what happened Tolay in

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Speaker 5: your family. It's happening in my family with my mom

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Speaker 5: and dad and my sister. I think multi generational family,

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Speaker 5: you know, raising of kids and everything else is a

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Speaker 5: beautiful thing. I think it gives grandparents tremendous purpose. I just,

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Speaker 5: you know, instead of just sending people, look, retirement homes

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Speaker 5: or retirement communities can be very nice for people. I'm

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Speaker 5: not I'm not criticizing them per se. I'm just saying

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Speaker 5: there are a lot of options here. But running as

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Speaker 5: fast and as hard as you can in the corporate

648
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Speaker 5: race is not always answering. But do you see this

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Speaker 5: story about this Special Forces veteran. Okay, the guy's a badass,

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Speaker 5: a legitimate badass, served multiple combat tours overseas, he comes back,

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Speaker 5: he's got a beautiful life and two kids, and he

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Speaker 5: dies I mean from basically being overworked from what we

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Speaker 5: understand at least that's the reporting of it as an

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Speaker 5: investment banker.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: He's a Special Forces guy, everybody like you know, he's

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Speaker 5: a snake eater, that's what they call. And he dies

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Speaker 5: from being overworked in his cubicle, and you know it's insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think again, in most of life, finding balance in

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Speaker 1: all facets is a big help towards your own individual

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Speaker 1: self worth, which makes you more valuable for your family.

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Speaker 4: And the idea that.

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Speaker 1: The data which clearly shows and I think you said it,

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Speaker 1: and I said it yesterday. Your anecdote doesn't refute the

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Speaker 1: overall data. So people feel attacked when their lifestyle doesn't

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Speaker 1: fit everything perfectly. There are tons of you out there

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Speaker 1: listening right now who have been fabulous single parent. That

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the average kid isn't helped by having

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Speaker 1: a two parent household.

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Speaker 4: That's just the reality.

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Speaker 5: The Green Beret Special Force is the same thing who

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Speaker 5: died of a blood clot due to and he wanted

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Speaker 5: to leave his one hundred hour work weeks that were

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Speaker 5: ruining his life. That's the quote was Leo Lukenas, and

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Speaker 5: he was thirty five years old. He was working in

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Speaker 5: investment banking. I mean again, first, that's a whole other

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Speaker 5: discussion about why that culture is what it is, to

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Speaker 5: just work people into oblivion on no sleep and everything else.

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Speaker 5: But the corporate grind in general, Clay leads to a

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Speaker 5: lot of a lot of unhappiness and no doubting. More

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Speaker 5: and fancier stuff does not lead to happen