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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. I'm Stephen Carroll, and

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Speaker 1: this is Here's Why, where we take one new story

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Speaker 1: and explain it in just a few minutes with our

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Speaker 1: experts here at Bloomberg. The legendary investor Warren Buffett once wrote,

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Speaker 1: if you aren't willing to own a stock for ten years,

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Speaker 1: don't even think about owning it for ten minutes. But

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Speaker 1: what if you can't buy the stock in the first place.

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Speaker 2: Some tech companies, maybe a lot of tech companies, go

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Speaker 2: public a bit too early.

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Speaker 1: Some of the world's most exciting companies are remaining in

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Speaker 1: private hands. Take the example of payments giants Stripe, valued

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Speaker 1: at about seventy billion dollars. The co founder and CEO

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Speaker 1: John Collison says they're in no rush to go public.

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Speaker 2: We still see tons of opportunity to change and grow

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Speaker 2: the business quite a lot. You look at analysts following

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Speaker 2: public companies and obsessing over guidance and what'll be this

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Speaker 2: quarter and things like that. Culturally, we've ended up I

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Speaker 2: think in a bit more of a world where public

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Speaker 2: companies are suited for the extract stage of the sigmoid

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Speaker 2: curve rather than the expand stage.

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Speaker 1: And stripes not alone. SpaceX cemented its status as the

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Speaker 1: world's most valuable private startup with a share sale that

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Speaker 1: valued it at about three hundred and fifty billion dollars,

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Speaker 1: and at open Aiy's last fundraising round, it was valued

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Speaker 1: at one hundred and fifty seven billion. So here's why

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Speaker 1: companies are staying private for longer. Joining me now to

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Speaker 1: discuss is the person at Bloomberg who specializes in covering

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Speaker 1: how companies go public, Bailey Lipschaltz. Billy, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Does this mean you're out of a job? How widespread

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Speaker 1: is this trend of companies staying private?

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Speaker 3: So far, not out of a job, but it definitely

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Speaker 3: makes you want to find some other areas to write about.

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Speaker 3: But it is a widespread trend that has been really

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Speaker 3: taking place over the last two two and a half decades.

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Speaker 3: When you look at the US alone, the number of

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Speaker 3: publicly traded companies has been cut in half from about

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Speaker 3: seventy five hundred to four thousand. So this is something

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Speaker 3: that has been a real ce shift that has been

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Speaker 3: taking place. Again really when you go back to the

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Speaker 3: mid two thousands, with companies preferring to stay private after

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Speaker 3: the fallout of the dot com.

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Speaker 1: Bubble, So why are they making this decision? Why are

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Speaker 1: they chasing to stay privus.

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Speaker 3: Easier access to capital. We've seen such a big push

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Speaker 3: from some of the biggest investors to wanting to get

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Speaker 3: a piece of some of these companies earlier. You also

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Speaker 3: don't have to deal with activist investors, deal with journalists

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Speaker 3: kind of digging through filings and financial updates. And also

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Speaker 3: it costs a lot of money to be public. So

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Speaker 3: if you can be data Bricks who just raised ten

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Speaker 3: billion dollars at a sixty two billion dollar valuation. You

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Speaker 3: mentioned SpaceX, Open AI to a number of other companies,

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Speaker 3: they really, when you talk to management, an IPO could

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Speaker 3: be the path at some point, but they prefer to

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Speaker 3: stay private just because they can continue to give investors,

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Speaker 3: early investors, employees access to liquidity, ability to sell some

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Speaker 3: of their shares, to actually turn paper profits into real cash,

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Speaker 3: and they're not dealing with the headache that come with

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Speaker 1: But it seems like in a lot of cases these

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Speaker 1: companies are sort of keeping the option open that they

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Speaker 1: could go public at some point down the line. Do

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Speaker 1: we have any idea of how much money is tied

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Speaker 1: up in these private companies that could, in theory list

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Speaker 1: if they wanted to.

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Speaker 3: So we've seen data with private equity owned companies alone,

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Speaker 3: there's about two point nine trillion dollars worth of value

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Speaker 3: that's pretty similar on the venture capitalist side of things.

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Speaker 3: So this is trillions of dollars in terms of companies

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Speaker 3: a question of when they would go public, what that

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Speaker 3: private equity firms, or if they want that branding event

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Speaker 3: where they're ringing the bell at the Stock Exchange here

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Speaker 1: And we mentioned valuations there. How reliably can we value

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Speaker 1: a company that stays privates.

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Speaker 3: It's a hotly contested debate because when you look at

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Speaker 3: companies like open Ai being valued to one hundred and

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Speaker 3: If you're publicly traded, you're getting kind of marked to

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Speaker 3: So it's a bit opaque. It's a bit of a

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Speaker 3: end up. But presumably the investors, the thrive capitals of

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Speaker 3: who take these companies private, they have an expectation and

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Speaker 3: But the big debate we've been seeing and why we've

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Speaker 3: seen such a dearth of offerings and really the last

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Speaker 3: three years partly has been companies were either taken private

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Speaker 3: by private equity or have remained private in venture capital,

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Speaker 3: and they don't like what they would get if they

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Speaker 1: Are there regulatory concerns involved here as well? If we

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Speaker 1: have companies that are this valuable, talking about some that

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. The expectation it depends kind of

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Speaker 3: who your stakeholders are. Securities regulations are there to protect

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Speaker 3: unsophisticated investors, So you have to be an incredited investor,

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Speaker 3: you have to actually have access to buying a SpaceX,

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Speaker 3: write a check. So there are some regulatory walls put

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Speaker 3: And just broadly speaking, as it relates to reporting, if

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Speaker 3: you're publicly listed, you obviously have to have earnings every

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Speaker 3: and have lawyers and consultants and other people on the payroll.

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Speaker 3: If you're private, you can kind of operate at least

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Speaker 1: Broadly speaking, is it a problem if these companies don't

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Speaker 1: ever go public? You know, we think about some of

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Speaker 1: the really high profile ones like SpaceX or open AI.

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Speaker 3: It depends who you talk to if you are a company,

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Speaker 3: or if I talk to lawyers and investors. As long

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Speaker 3: as the earlier stage investors or employees have the ability

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Speaker 3: to take advantage of the equity they've built up in

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Speaker 3: the company, then there's really no reason to go public.

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Speaker 3: When I talk to advisors, the question when they're talking

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Speaker 3: to public? What do you gain from being publicly listed?

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Speaker 3: The downside, though, is if you don't have a strong

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Speaker 3: you don't have the ability to kind of hold some

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Speaker 3: growth could be sapped out of the market. And now

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Speaker 3: you're bringing a company that already is one of the

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Speaker 3: and investors at least in the public markets who don't

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Speaker 3: afford to pay someone for those private investments. Is joining

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Speaker 3: the party late?

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Speaker 1: Is this becoming a question of prestige, Is it just

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Speaker 1: a sort of badge of honor to be a public company,

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Speaker 1: or is even that dwindling?

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Speaker 3: It feels like that is dwindling depending who you talk to. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: the exchanges want companies to continue listing. But if open

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Speaker 3: ai can be valued one hundred and fifty seven billion dollars,

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Speaker 3: if SpaceX can get its funding round, and employees, according

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Speaker 3: to Elon Musk, don't want to sell shares. Everyone knows

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Speaker 3: who some of these companies are. There is still a

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Speaker 3: branding event with being publicly listed. There is some validity

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Speaker 3: depending on the industry you operate in, where you can

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Speaker 3: talk to customers and clients and say, hey, we're publicly listed.

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Speaker 3: We trade on New York Stock Exchange. Here are our

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Speaker 3: quarterly results. But for some of these name brand companies,

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Speaker 3: some of the top kind of upper echelon firms, the

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Speaker 3: question really is what would be the reason to go public?

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Speaker 3: And if there's not a good business reason, then for

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Speaker 3: all intensive purposes, staying private makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Bloomberg's Billy Lipshellz thanks very much for joining us.

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