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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Bobshell.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, the FBI now called in to investigate the shooting

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Speaker 2: death of Micah Miller, the glamorous wife of a local

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Speaker 2: pastor who authorities say took her own life. Micah found

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Speaker 2: dead in lumber State River Park from a gunshot wound,

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Speaker 2: her family now urging authorities to further investigate the death.

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Speaker 1: This as we learned his.

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Speaker 2: Ex wife said much the same reports now servicing the

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Speaker 2: pastor not only posted wait for it, intimate photos.

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Speaker 3: Of Micah his wife online, but then apologized for his

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Speaker 3: evil question which evil?

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Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: She was so creative. Everything she did was so creative.

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Speaker 1: What's the next picture? Okay?

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Speaker 2: That is the estranged husband, John Paul Miller. We have

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Speaker 2: guinea pigs and sometimes they hiccup and they go.

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Speaker 1: That kind of sounds like that.

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Speaker 2: That is seemingly very emotional video of the pastor at

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Speaker 2: Solid Rock Ministries. He actually went on to deliver his

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Speaker 2: wife's eulogy and is now claiming he tried to quote

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Speaker 2: raise her from the dead. Now, I'm certainly not a

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Speaker 2: Bible expert, but I can tell you, in the history

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Speaker 2: of the Earth, I've only known of one person that

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Speaker 2: raised somebody from the dead, and it ain't him. Okay,

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Speaker 2: with me and our panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 2: we know right now.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, I.

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Speaker 2: Want you to hear it from the horse's mouth.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: I got this leady mix to our body and it's

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Speaker 4: been down with their body about four times this week.

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Speaker 4: At each time it still didn't hit me. I thought

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Speaker 4: she was going to wake up. You know. I even

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Speaker 4: tried to raise her from the dead one time.

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Speaker 1: This week, and okay, she's not waking up.

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Speaker 2: Why because this beautiful young preacher's wife is dead from

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Speaker 2: a gunshot wound.

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Speaker 1: So far, we're not getting a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of information about For instance, trajectory path was a

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Speaker 2: gunshot residue test run on her hands?

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Speaker 1: What do we really know?

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Speaker 2: We know there was a nine to one one call,

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Speaker 2: but what more do we know? This is authorities insists

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Speaker 2: this was a suicide, but friends and family insist they

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Speaker 2: want the FBI to investigate her death, and apparently that

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Speaker 2: is happening. You were just seeing video from Solid Rock

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Speaker 2: Ministries in a seemingly emotional eulogy. At this hour, the

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Speaker 2: FBI reportedly opening an investigation after bombshells surrounding her death,

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Speaker 2: including reports that her husband, John Paul Miller.

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Speaker 1: Posted quote intimate, I hate to think what that is photos.

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Speaker 2: Of his young wife online and then leaving no room

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Speaker 2: for hey, did he do it or not? He apologized

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Speaker 2: for his quote evil. And I want to warn everybody

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Speaker 2: on the panel that we have just gotten a letter

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Speaker 2: from the Russell b. Long Attorneys at Law threatening everybody

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Speaker 2: if they say anything that disparages the pastor. But you know,

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Speaker 2: it's really interesting that his former wife got a divorce

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Speaker 2: because she claimed the preacher was having an affair on her,

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Speaker 2: including with the babysitter. Who's the babysitter?

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Speaker 1: Micah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, back to our panel, joining me a special guest

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Speaker 2: right now. This is Micah's sister, Sierra Sierra Francis with us. Sierra,

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Speaker 2: First of all, we are so sorry about what you

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Speaker 2: and your family are going through. A lot of us

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Speaker 2: on the panel have been victims of violent crime, including myself,

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Speaker 2: and I think the worst possible thing that could happen

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Speaker 2: is to lose your child, suffering from losing your sibling,

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Speaker 2: and what a beautiful, beautiful girl on the inside and

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Speaker 2: the outside.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about your sister.

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Speaker 5: Micah was amazing. She was energetic, she was funny. She

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Speaker 5: was always trying to make sure everybody around her was happy,

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Speaker 5: and she was always trying to include everyone. She was

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Speaker 5: very passionate about her missions, trips to Kenya and nutrition.

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Speaker 5: She was just an all around wonderful, god fearing woman.

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Speaker 1: When did she meet the preacher that became her husband.

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Speaker 5: It would have been probably in two thousand and seven,

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Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, when our family moved to Myrtle

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Speaker 5: there and we began to attend Solid Rock when it

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Speaker 5: was a smaller congregation of maybe thirty forty people.

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Speaker 1: How old was Micah at that time, probably around thirteen

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Speaker 2: Is that when she met the preacher, John Paul Miller,

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Speaker 2: that she would marry.

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Speaker 5: Yes, that would have been around that time.

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Speaker 2: Is it true that that time he John Paul Miller

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Speaker 5: I believe so. I know that he was involved in

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Speaker 2: I'm very curious also about everything was said in the eulogy.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm very curious about how all this

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Speaker 2: is striking you. Sierra, Micah's sister, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 6: While Michah Miller's family and friends hold service beachside for Micah,

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Speaker 6: John Paul Miller delivers a eulogy for his estranged wife,

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Speaker 6: Michael Miller at Solid Rocket Market. Common. Miller seems to

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Speaker 6: cry without any tears while talking about how he tried

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Speaker 6: to raise Micah from the dead. Claims he laid down

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Speaker 6: with his wife about four times, and when he took

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Speaker 6: but it was her sister. Thought he had raised Micah

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Speaker 1: Two sister, Sierra, did that really happen?

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Speaker 5: It did? And I was carrying my children at the

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Speaker 5: and my son was very afraid, and he said, we

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Speaker 5: have to go right now.

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Speaker 7: Why was your son of frid Because we're very open

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Speaker 7: with my son. Micah has come to my house multiple

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Speaker 7: times to get away from her estranged husband. So my

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Speaker 7: son is very aware of the danger surrounding him, to

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Speaker 7: the point where whenever Micah passed away and my son

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Speaker 7: came home and I had to tell him that she

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Speaker 7: had passed away, he said, this is all John Paul's fault.

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Speaker 8: I've had a lot of women that have reached out

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Speaker 8: to me about situations of abuse, and I just want

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Speaker 8: to tell you what a lot of people have told

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Speaker 8: me lately and reminded me because I think I forgot,

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Speaker 8: I knew, but for I pushed it in the back

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Speaker 8: of my head just because of my situation.

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Speaker 9: But you are the bride of Christ. God hates divorce.

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Speaker 9: But why According to everybody I've asked and the scriptures

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Speaker 9: that I've found, it's because it hurts people. But does

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Speaker 9: abuse hurt people? How do you think God feels about that?

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now is another special guest, Tracy Brown,

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Speaker 2: who is a body language expert author of How to

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Speaker 2: Detect Lies, Fraud and Identity Theft. You can find her

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Speaker 2: at body languagetrainer dot com. Tracy, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being with us. I know you have studied Pastor

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Speaker 2: John Paul Miller's movements his speech. I was referring earlier

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Speaker 2: to the Hiccups, which apparently was a fascimile of crying.

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Speaker 2: And I also noticed that one of his assistants came

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Speaker 2: out and gave him a box of hankies and he went, now,

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Speaker 2: I don't need that because there didn't seem to be

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Speaker 1: Sounds.

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Speaker 2: But I'm just a lay person, I'm just a trial lawyer.

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Speaker 2: What do you the body language experts see.

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Speaker 10: We didn't see tears, we didn't see eye redness. And

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Speaker 10: the most important thing that we saw is that the emotions,

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Speaker 10: the sadness, got shut on and off like a light switch.

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Speaker 10: And that's not how emotions work. Emotions are chemically based,

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Speaker 10: and so they build slowly and they dissipate slowly like

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Speaker 10: the chemicals have a half life. And so this is

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Speaker 10: the first indication of faked sadness here. Now what's more

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Speaker 10: important is when I profile people want because I listen

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Speaker 10: want me to know about them the most, and what

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Speaker 10: he's doing throughout this whole eulogy is selling how much

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Speaker 10: he has tried to please her over their life together,

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Speaker 10: and also what a good guy he is. So this

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Speaker 10: is the subtext of this is more of a sales

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Speaker 10: this is a quote, everyone knew how beautiful she was

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Speaker 10: on the outside. Only a spouse, okay, So he didn't

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Speaker 10: say him, He said a spouse. That's distancing. Only a

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Speaker 10: distances how beautiful that person is on the inside. So

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Speaker 10: he has statements similar to this throughout the eulogy where

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Speaker 10: he distances himself from her. Another one is imagine being

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Speaker 10: married to that right, which is another psychological emotional distance

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Speaker 10: statement that we see from him. And what's missing because

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Speaker 10: is I go, okay, what's missing here? What's missing are

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Speaker 10: the typical things that you would hear in a eulogy

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Speaker 10: from a husband, right, which is how much he misses her,

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Speaker 10: He says it two to three times in there, and

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Speaker 10: so we don't. He's not revealing any emotional attachment to

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Speaker 10: what happened. Now, he also says that he's he's not

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Speaker 10: what he said. I'd like to see an interview with

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Speaker 1: But we have some disturbing behavior here crime stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, isn't it true? To Sierra?

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Speaker 2: This is Michael's sister who is literally speaking to us

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Speaker 2: through her tears, real tears. At one point, he was

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Speaker 2: trying to apologize for posting nude photos of her. I

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Speaker 2: assume they were intimate, so I can only guess nude

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Speaker 1: Children, I've never wanted to hurt David.

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Speaker 2: And I can honestly say he's never wanted to actually

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's very normal behavior for John Paul. He's always

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Speaker 5: done that to her.

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Speaker 7: He's a very Why do you say that he's That's

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Speaker 7: what he always does.

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Speaker 5: If he can't get his way, he will act as

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Speaker 5: a child. He will throw a tantrum, he will cause

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Speaker 5: a scene, and he will make sure that the other

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Speaker 5: person suffers. And like you said, there's emails proving it.

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Speaker 8: I've had a lot of women that have reached out

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Speaker 8: I knew, but for I pushed it in the back of.

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Speaker 1: My head.

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Speaker 9: Just because of my situation. But you are the bride

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Speaker 9: of Christ. God hates divorce.

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Speaker 9: it's because it hurts people. But does abuse hurt people?

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Speaker 2: I want our body language expert, Tracy Brown, the body

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Speaker 1: And remember everybody he sent a legal threat letter stating,

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Speaker 4: I can't wait to see her again one day. She

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Speaker 10: There's small repetitive movements that will all do when we

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Speaker 11: I pray for your heat circumstances would change. I pray

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Speaker 12: Jesus Name in Jesus Name.

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Speaker 13: Micah contacted police after her estranged husband posted an indecent

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Speaker 13: posted anonymously, there was nothing they could do. John Paul

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Speaker 13: Miller apologized to Micah via email, telling her, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: Evil of me to do that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Curious after an intimate photo of his wife unclad

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Speaker 1: That why no charges? But I don't understand. Why not charges?

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Speaker 1: Why no arrest? But that's not all. Listen.

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Speaker 6: Just weeks before her death, Michah Miller calls police for

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Speaker 1: I'm very disturbed about this.

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Speaker 2: Kela Brantley is joining us along with Micah's sister, Sierra

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Speaker 1: Keilla, we have two incidents.

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Speaker 2: One admitted, one observed that they're both illegal. Posting photos

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Speaker 1: Why no arrest? Caela Brantley Well.

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Speaker 14: According to police, they allegedly told Micah that despite all

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Speaker 14: this evidence, that the photo that she allegedly sent him,

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Speaker 14: once you send a photo, it's now no longer your

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Speaker 14: property and that now belongs to her husband, and also

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Speaker 14: that in the photo there was actually muzzing around any

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Speaker 14: that it apparently does not count as revenge porn. So basically,

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Speaker 14: when Micah came to them. They told her that there

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Speaker 2: Okay to Regina Ward, she was the lawyer for Micah

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Speaker 2: on the divorce proceeding now here with Micah's sister, Sierra, Regina,

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Speaker 2: that's not true.

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Speaker 1: When you post a.

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Speaker 2: Photo of someone without their clothes on against their will,

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Speaker 2: that's illegal.

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Speaker 15: Yes, in more ways than one.

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Speaker 2: Well, what I don't understand is why there weren't any charges.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's my question to you. Why weren't there charges?

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Speaker 15: As far as I know on that it's the police

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Speaker 1: Sierra is joining me.

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Speaker 2: Micah's sister, Sierra, Your sister, Micah never gave him permission

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Speaker 2: to post that photo of her. He has apologized, He

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Speaker 1: Why no charges?

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Speaker 5: Like Regina said, I would hope that the police will

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Speaker 5: follow up now that there is proof of these alleged crimes.

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Speaker 5: That he was keeping his hands clean up and making

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Speaker 5: it so difficult for mikel approve. And now that he's

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Speaker 5: admitted that he did commit these crimes, I see no

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Speaker 2: Brian Foley joining me, high profile lawyer, former chief prosecutor

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Speaker 2: how Harris County, Texas, and author of What Prosecutors Don't

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Speaker 2: Tell You, Brian Foley, let's just break it down. Typically,

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Speaker 2: when somebody posts revenge porn, they won't send it from

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Speaker 2: can't be easily traced. But guess what, it can be traced.

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Speaker 2: That's what the police or the sheriffs are supposed to do,

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Speaker 2: trace it and prosecute it, not say, oh it was anonymous.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, that's not how it works. Foley.

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Speaker 16: Well, in some instances, it's because the image itself doesn't qualify,

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Speaker 16: Like for example, in Texas, we have a rule that

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Speaker 16: if you cut out the face, it's no longer under

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Speaker 16: that status. It sounds like there was some blurring that

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Speaker 16: you know, in the original investigation, and I guess in

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, let's let's find out more about that photo.

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Speaker 2: Sierra Francis, this is Mike's sister. Tell me about the

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Speaker 2: revenge porn that was posted of your sister.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 5: John Paul had assumed basically Mike's identity while he had

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Speaker 5: since he posted it one off of Mike's account against

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Speaker 2: And there's the issue of the flat tires in the

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Speaker 2: Has not been named as a person of interest or

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Speaker 2: quickly to the bombshell. Now the FBI reportedly being called

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Speaker 2: What is it you want the FBI to do?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 5: We know that Robason County has said that the FBI

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Speaker 5: everything leading up to her passing away, because, as everyone

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Speaker 9: Even an earthly spouse who's a good spouse when they

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Speaker 1: What do you think he thinks about that?

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Speaker 13: John Paul Miller's ex wife, Alison Miller, filed for divorce

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Speaker 13: from John Paul Miller after finding out he was having

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Speaker 13: Micah Miller was married to John Paul Miller's best friend,

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, so let me understand.

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Speaker 2: The other wife, the previous wife, Allison. I've been reading

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Speaker 2: she's that John Paul Miller who is threatening anybody that,

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Speaker 2: let me see defames him. So let's just commit to

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Speaker 1: I'm down with that.

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Speaker 2: The first wife says that church leaders demanded he seek

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Speaker 1: And that.

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Speaker 2: Trying to dodge alimony payments, he showed up in court

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Speaker 1: And broke both legs.

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Speaker 2: That's the first wife, and I'm getting this from her

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Speaker 14: That's right, Nancy. So dailymail dot Com we obtained that

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Speaker 14: Affidavid and there were bombshells after bombshells in it. Now

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Speaker 14: also go on to say that Micah was their babysitter

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Speaker 14: And of course he's fourteen years older than Micah, So

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Speaker 14: when she's saying that he groomed her if they did

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Speaker 2: I want to point out, in the legal letter that

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Speaker 2: age of ten, that in fact, she moved to Myrtle

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Speaker 2: Beach at age fifteen, and I believe that is when

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Speaker 2: he was her youth. Minister, Sierra, what went through your

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Speaker 2: mind when you learned your sister had been shocked?

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Speaker 5: Instinctively, I just assumed that we would have an arrest

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Speaker 5: and we would be able to finally have some closure

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Speaker 5: of what she was dealing with in all the terror

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Speaker 5: that she was living through. And obviously we haven't gotten that.

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Speaker 5: And that's pretty rough.

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Speaker 1: Guys.

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Speaker 2: We were speaking to Sierra Francis, this is Micah's sister.

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Speaker 2: How did you discover your sister had been shot?

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Speaker 5: I got a call from my brother that Micah's roommate

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Speaker 5: was trying to find out where Micah was. She said

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Speaker 5: that Pelissa showed up at her house because Micah did

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Speaker 5: not live with drum Paul, the police showed up to

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Speaker 5: his roommate's house or too, I'm sorry, to her roommate's house.

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Speaker 5: And she then reached out to the family, and my

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Speaker 5: brother called me and said, something's wrong. The police are

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Speaker 5: at Diana's house. We need to find Micah. So I immediately

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Speaker 5: called another one of Micah's friends and she informed me

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Speaker 5: that John Paul had said that Micah was dead. So

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Speaker 5: I immediately called John Paul's sister because she lives at John

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Speaker 5: Paul's house. And John Paul was on the phone with

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Speaker 5: the hospital and he was seemingly hysterical. It sounded very fake,

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Speaker 5: and he was saying, why would she do this, yere, why.

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Speaker 1: Was she sad?

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Speaker 5: Who was she seeing in Lumberton?

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Speaker 1: Micah is dead?

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Speaker 5: And he was just going on and on, and I said,

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Speaker 5: are you joking, John Paul? You know exactly why she

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Speaker 5: would have done this if it was her. And I

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Speaker 5: said that you have been making her life hell for

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Speaker 5: the past couple of months, and he hung up on me.

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Speaker 5: Then he texted my family and said, this is what

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Speaker 5: happens when you tell someone to divorce the man they love.

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Speaker 5: This is he said, good job for instance family, and

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Speaker 5: that's how the rest of my family felt about them.

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Speaker 1: Mike had passed away. Okay, wait, would you repeat that place?

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

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Speaker 5: Yes, he sent a text message out to my parents

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Speaker 5: and siblings. I'm not sure exactly who all was in

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Speaker 5: the chat. It was a previous chat. He just pulled

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Speaker 5: it up and he texted saying this is what happens

483
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Speaker 5: when you tell someone to divorce the man they love.

484
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 5: Good job. France's family, and that's how he informed you know,

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Speaker 5: my siblings and my parents and Micah have passed away.

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Speaker 2: Again, he is not a suspect in the death of Micah.

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Speaker 2: It has been ruled a suicide. Friends and family are

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Speaker 2: begging the FBI to further investigate crime stories with Nancy

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Speaker 2: Grace to Sierra Francis, I'm concerned and this is what

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Speaker 2: concerns me. The alleged revenge porn for which he apologized

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Speaker 2: for doing it, the slashing of the tires, which reportedly

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Speaker 2: he apologized for doing, the tracking device, all of that

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Speaker 2: is illegal and no charges were ever brought. Do you

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Speaker 2: trust the local investigation?

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Speaker 1: What is your hope for the FBI?

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Speaker 2: And again, the pastor has not been named a person

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Speaker 2: of interest or suspect.

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Speaker 1: What is your hope for the FBI? Sierra?

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Speaker 5: I hope that they will pursue this into the fullest

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Speaker 5: of their legal obligation instead of just Micah getting dead

501
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 5: end after dead end after dead end, every time she

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Speaker 5: followed a police report, every time she called and asked

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Speaker 5: them a question, Hey, what can I do? How do

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Speaker 5: I pursue this. She was getting basically, you know, doors

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Speaker 5: shut in her face every single time. So I hope

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Speaker 5: that now, with the gravity of things and how extreme

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Speaker 5: and how nationwide this has gotten, maybe they will look

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00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 5: and see, you know, either one they need to readdress

509
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 5: some of their protocols, or too they need to look

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00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 5: at their people and say, did you follow a protocol

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Speaker 5: and did you do your fullest extent or were you

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Speaker 5: just not wanting to get involved because it's a marital dispute,

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Speaker 5: because obviously to her it was a big deal.

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Speaker 11: I pray for your healing circumstances would change.

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Speaker 12: I pray that the fear inside would flee.

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Speaker 11: And Jesus Name, I pray that a pray through what

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Speaker 11: happened today, a pray miracle.

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Speaker 12: Sovery your live in Jesus Name, in Jesus' name.

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Speaker 8: I've had a lot of women that have reached out

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Speaker 8: to me about situations of abuse, and I just want

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Speaker 8: to tell you what a lot of people have told

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00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 8: me lately and reminded me because I think I forgot,

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Speaker 8: I knew, but for I pushed.

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Speaker 1: It in the back of my head.

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Speaker 9: Just because of my situation. But you are the bride

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Speaker 9: of Christ. God hates divorce. But why According to everybody

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Speaker 9: I've asked and the scriptures that I've found, it's because

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00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 9: it hurts people. But does abuse hurt people? How do

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Speaker 9: you think God feels about that?

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Speaker 2: You're hearing Michah Miller posting about the suffering and the

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Speaker 2: pain she says she was going through. A reminder, authorities

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Speaker 2: have not charged her husband in any way with her death.

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Speaker 1: Joining me in.

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Speaker 2: All Star panel, but now special guest is with us

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Speaker 2: Alicia Young. Alisha is a very dear friend of Micah's

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Speaker 2: and a former friend of John Paul Miller's, the estranged husband.

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Speaker 2: Why are you considering yourself a former friend of John

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Speaker 2: Paul Miller's.

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Speaker 17: So during our time there, my husband was actually the

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Speaker 17: worship leader when we were there, and so we were

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Speaker 17: very close with them because we were in the inner circle.

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Speaker 17: And when we left the church, our friendship between me

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Speaker 17: and Mica got severed because of him and our relationship

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Speaker 17: with John Paul. We ended that because he didn't want

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Speaker 17: to listen to anything that we had to say. All

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Speaker 17: the issues that we were seeing with him and the church.

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Speaker 17: What issues so with how they treat women and how

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Speaker 17: I got treated at the church, is basically they celebrate

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Speaker 17: men and with women, women are only supposed to be

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Speaker 17: seen and not heard. He didn't like when a woman

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Speaker 17: had a strong opinion or was, you know, kind of

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Speaker 17: outgoing in a way. I was trying to find a

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00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 17: different word. But it was all about the men in

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Speaker 17: the church, and that he would stay in sermons of men.

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Speaker 17: You just need to go find a hot wife, because

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Speaker 17: that's what matters, and with the women of the church.

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Speaker 17: Like I wasn't allowed to do anything in the church

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Speaker 17: at all. He didn't want me on the platform to

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Speaker 17: any capacity because of how I looked and because of

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Speaker 17: how old I was. I was already in my thirties.

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Speaker 17: I was heavier at the time, and I wasn't some

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Speaker 17: young twenty five year old with a hot body. So

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Speaker 17: he didn't want me at all on the platform.

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Speaker 2: Two Brian Foley joining us or now defense attorney and

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Speaker 2: former Chief Prosecutor Harris County, author of What Prosecutors Don't

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Speaker 2: Tell You. Brian Foley, I think that authorities are dug

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Speaker 2: in that this was a suicide, but I want you

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Speaker 2: to listen to this.

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Speaker 6: As carbon monoxide begins to fill his drug cabin. Conrad

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Speaker 6: Roy the third gets out, texting Michelle Carter, we'll do

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Speaker 6: it another day. Carter text to Roy, are challenging, telling

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Speaker 6: him he overthinks things. Carter texts, Roy, you just said

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Speaker 6: you were going to do it tonight and now you're

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Speaker 6: saying eventually. Carter tells Roy could get back in the truck.

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Speaker 6: Conrad Roy the Third gets back in the truck. Authorities

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Speaker 6: discovered the body of Conrad Roy the Third in his

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Speaker 6: pickup truck parked outside of kmart at Fairhaven, Massachusetts, the

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Speaker 6: next day.

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Speaker 4: He was eighteen.

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Speaker 2: My point, Brian Foley in that case and many others

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Speaker 2: like it, which we have here to name for you

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Speaker 2: if necessary, Michelle Carter was prosecuted and convicted for aiding

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Speaker 2: and abetting the suicide of Conrad Roy. The texts and

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Speaker 2: conversations she had with him, the messages are sickening, basically

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Speaker 2: goading him to commit suicide.

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Speaker 1: So my question to you is.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts on defending the pastor against claims he goaded

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Speaker 2: Micah into committing suicide like Michelle Carter and others.

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Speaker 16: So first we started with it sounds like everybody's on

590
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 16: the same page. He didn't pull the trigger, he wasn't there.

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Speaker 16: It was Mikah who pulled the trigger ending her own life.

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Speaker 16: If we're that far, then the only question we have

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Speaker 16: left is as public policy, are people responsible for the

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Speaker 16: actions of others? And we have criminal culpability in some

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Speaker 16: instances if you're both committing a bank robbery, if you're

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Speaker 16: actively engaged in it. JP was not actively engaged in it.

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Speaker 16: We have information from her cell phone. The police have

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Speaker 16: already released it. She looked up the area in that

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Speaker 16: part of the town. And we're kind of assuming that

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Speaker 16: he's both bumbling around and can't keep things together, and

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Speaker 16: he's obviously lying on the you know, at the pulpit,

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Speaker 16: it's a suicide, and to hold somebody else responsible you

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Speaker 16: have to think, well, we're talking about JP and airing

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Speaker 16: out all of his information. If he were to commit suicide,

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Speaker 16: are we responsible for that?

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Speaker 1: No way.

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Speaker 16: Those are individual decisions, and the Conrad roycase is also

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Speaker 16: very different.

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Speaker 4: I got a call late last night. My wife has

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Speaker 4: passed me. Yeah it was it was self induced and

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Speaker 4: it was up in North Carolina.

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Speaker 2: That is from our friends at Solid Rock Ministries and

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Speaker 2: seemingly emotional comment by her then husband.

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Speaker 1: They were not yet divorced.

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Speaker 2: Many people disagree with any such suggestion that there was

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Speaker 2: emotion there that said reports. The FBI are now entering

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Speaker 2: the investigation. Cali Brandtley joining me, investigative reporter, dailymail dot Com.

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Speaker 1: What is it assumed the FBI can do?

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Speaker 14: Well, Nancy, you're looking at everything that we said before.

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Speaker 14: Why didn't the police get involved after there was a

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Speaker 14: nude photo? Why didn't police get involved after the fact

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Speaker 14: that he admitted allegedly to putting a tracker in her

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Speaker 14: car or slashing her tire. So I think the FBI

624
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Speaker 14: coming in is really going to push this case forward

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Speaker 14: and potentially and hopefully do what the local police could not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious.

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Speaker 2: Is it true, to anyone's knowledge what has been reported

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Speaker 2: that he actually went into court in a wheelchair when

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Speaker 2: he was finding alimony payments and said that he fell

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Speaker 2: out of a tree and broke both legs. Caleb Brantley,

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Speaker 2: Is that true?

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Speaker 14: Well, that was one of the things that was mentioned

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Speaker 14: in the report that we did get from twenty seventeen

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Speaker 14: from his ex wife Alison. Now she mentioned that she

635
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Speaker 14: mentioned a lot of instances of abuse of infidelity. So

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Speaker 14: that's just one of many big issues that we're having

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Speaker 14: here and going back to Micah and.

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Speaker 1: The local police.

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Speaker 14: She reported eight times in the months leading up to

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Speaker 14: her death to police, with clearly no nothing to be done.

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Speaker 2: We await the entry and the involvement of the FBI

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Speaker 2: in the investigation not only Micah's death, but any related

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Speaker 2: facts leading up to that moment.

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Speaker 1: As of now, it has been.

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Speaker 2: Ruled a suicide and the husband, the estranged husband, John

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Speaker 2: Paul Miller, has not been named a suspect. Let's stop

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Speaker 2: and remember American hero police Officer Kevin Cram just thirty three,

648
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Speaker 2: shot and killed in the line of duty, survived by

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Speaker 2: a grieving wife Laura, and children Archer and Weston and Ira.

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Speaker 2: American hero police Officer Kevin Cram. Thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us tonight. Thank you to our MSM viewers, and

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Speaker 2: thank you to our guests. Nancy Gray signing off, I'll

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Speaker 2: see you tomorrow night six and nine o'clock sharp Eastern

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Speaker 2: and until then, good night, friend,