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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Drive. I'm Dale Lilly. He is

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. I don't know if you saw

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Speaker 1: this another I imagine you probably did. But we got

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Speaker 1: the first melt Keiper mock draft. I did see it,

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Speaker 1: and I actually kind of scrolled through it and didn't

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Speaker 1: read it. Talk to bottom yet. But some new names

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Speaker 1: in the first round. There are some new names in there. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I worked with these guys, I know Todd and Mel,

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Speaker 1: especially Todd. And I'm not taking anything away from Mel

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Speaker 1: because he's the original. I mean, he's the draft nick

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Speaker 1: of all draft knicks. But a lot of what he

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Speaker 1: does that he publishes is things he here. People in

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Speaker 1: the league tell Mel a lot. And that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: he's got an agenda or they have an agenda. Get

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Speaker 1: this guy in the first round, get my client in

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Speaker 1: the first round. I just think that he has pretty

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Speaker 1: dowed in with his NFL sources that this guy is

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a first round pick. And there were

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Speaker 1: some names here that I was shocked to see in

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Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, for sure, and let's let's roll

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Speaker 1: through this thing here. Uh So he has the Bears

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Speaker 1: taking Jalen Carter, the defensive tackle to Georgia. Obviously that

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Speaker 1: the names at the top are are not the ones

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Speaker 1: that are changing here, right, and they just the order

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Speaker 1: a little bit. I don't think ESPN once I'm doing

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Speaker 1: trades right now either, right. Um. Yeah, he has the

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Speaker 1: Texans taking c. J. Stroud from Ohio State at two,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting because they have their choice of quarterbacks. Um.

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Speaker 1: I do know their GM is very traits oriented, and

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Speaker 1: I've seen some people put Levice there. Um, but what

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Speaker 1: I mentioned that why I mentioned is just Young might

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Speaker 1: just be use ball for them, you know, the way

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Speaker 1: that they view the posit Yeah, I would understand. At three,

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Speaker 1: he has the Cardinals taking Will Anderson and they'll probably

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Speaker 1: get Carter or Anderson and be just as happy with either.

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Speaker 1: At four, he has the Colts taking Brace Young fair enough,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think those would be the top four picks.

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Speaker 1: Then at five, Seattle takes will love Us so three

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks in the top five picks. I think that's possible.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that that's the landing how it would work,

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Speaker 1: but especially if teams start trading up to one or three.

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Speaker 1: I could see these being the top five picks. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: At six, he has the Lions taking Tyree Wilson, the

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Speaker 1: defensive end out of Texas Tech. It seems to really

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Speaker 1: be every mock you look at, every draft, Nick has

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Speaker 1: this guy basically in the top eight, you know, and

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Speaker 1: he wasn't a household name a year ago. At seven,

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Speaker 1: the Raiders to Pete Scurronski, the offensive tackle one in

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Speaker 1: the Northwestern I guess that makes a lot of sense

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Speaker 1: for them. I mean, when you look at their old line,

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Speaker 1: left tackles really the only spot that's you know, So

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Speaker 1: just give me the best lineman in the draft and

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Speaker 1: we'll figure out where to play him, right. Yeah. Then

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Speaker 1: at eight, the Falcons take Miles Murphy, the defensive endenic Clemson.

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Speaker 1: That adds up as well. I mean, their offense isn't set,

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Speaker 1: but their offense is at least respectable. A much different

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Speaker 1: edge guy than Ebu Ketty who they took at the

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Speaker 1: top of the second round him. He's a much bigger

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Speaker 1: bodied guy. I like this one. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you saw Jeremy Fowler's thing on ESPN. He talked to

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Speaker 1: some league executives. Um, and Atlanta is a possible landing

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Speaker 1: spot for Lamar Jackson. Oh, I've heard that for a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think it makes all the sense in the world.

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Speaker 1: That would be that would be interesting. At nine, he

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Speaker 1: has the Panthers taking Anthony Richardson were back from Florida.

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Speaker 1: I get it. Um. If I'm the Panthers, though, I

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Speaker 1: better have Jacoby Brissette signed or at least Sam Donald signed,

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Speaker 1: or you know, because do they really want to wait

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Speaker 1: a year while they totally develop a quarterback? Darnald is

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Speaker 1: still under contract with him, right he did? They picked

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Speaker 1: and picked up I thought they picked up his fifth

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Speaker 1: year option. I don't think so. I think Corals the

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Speaker 1: only guy under contract, almost almost certain of that. Maybe

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Speaker 1: he has the Eagles taken Elijah Cancie. That the defensive

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Speaker 1: he's well coached by Charlie Partridge and there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Aaron Donald comparisons, which is unbelievably unfair. But I have

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Speaker 1: never seen him even going in the top two rounds.

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Speaker 1: To put him at ten, mel likes to make statements

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Speaker 1: this time a year two, you know, whenever Cancy, you know,

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Speaker 1: he ends up going twenty fifth overall, Mel can be

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Speaker 1: like in April, Yeah, I had him in the top ten,

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Speaker 1: you know, back in January. You know. So he likes

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Speaker 1: to make statements this time a year. But that does

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Speaker 1: not seem like he doesn't look anything like Fletcher Cox,

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Speaker 1: Jbon Hargrave or Jordan Davis to me either, Well, heart

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Speaker 1: Grave isn't tall, no, but hard Graves six ft you know,

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Speaker 1: You know. Um, I will say this about Cancie thirteen

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Speaker 1: For a defensive tackle over those two seasons. Really, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that, but I knew he was very productive. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, he can get to the quarterback, and we

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Speaker 1: know teams value guys who can get to the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Eagles had seventy sacks or something this year,

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Speaker 1: all if it's some sort of the lineman with Cox

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Speaker 1: At eleven, he has the Titans taking Paris Johnson, the

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Speaker 1: offensive tackle out of Ohio State. I think less and

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be there. At twelve, he

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Speaker 1: this too, that it's corner, tight end and edge are

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Speaker 1: really strong in this draft. Here's something that Mel has

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Speaker 1: an interesting point in here about van Ness. He's thirteen

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Speaker 1: a lot of these six five plus dudes that aren't

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Speaker 1: alluded to you want to put ten pounds on him

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Speaker 1: Just give me different variety of dinosaurs that are mean

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Speaker 1: and nasty at this is this kind of a surprise

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Speaker 1: for the for the Jets. He has the Jets taking Jackson,

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Speaker 1: Smith and Jake. Yeah, there has been some talk that

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Speaker 1: they might cut Corey Davis and he's making a lot

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Speaker 1: Mal I apologize, but man, one of the problems with

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Speaker 1: Elijah Moore was Wilson was a slot and more should

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know how that works. At fourteen,

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Speaker 1: he has the Patriots taking Devon Witherspoon, the cornerback out

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Speaker 1: the board now? Yeah. At fifteen, the Packers take Michael Mayer,

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Speaker 1: the tight end from Notre Dame. I guess that adds up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they even they don't use first round picks

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Speaker 1: Robert Toddy and Marcedes Lewis are both free agents for them,

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Speaker 1: so um, that would make some sense. Uh, it's sixteen.

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Speaker 1: He has Washington taking Broderick Jones, the offensive tackle to Georgia,

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Speaker 1: which is the pick before the Steelers. And if this

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Speaker 1: for Jones, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Uh. Then at seventeen

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Speaker 1: he has the Steelers taking Joey Porter Jr. Which is

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Speaker 1: they want guys with ball skills. I mean I really

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Speaker 1: don't know Porter, Verse, Witherspoon, Verse, Gonzalez, first ringo verse, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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Speaker 1: But one of them at seventeen is fined by me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At eighteen, the Lions with their second pick, he has

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Speaker 1: taken Christian Gonzalez. See. I think to me, if it

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Speaker 1: would take Gonzalez and as would I what I know

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Speaker 1: He's another one of these guys that's like six five

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Speaker 1: seventy five pounds who can play inside, can play outside. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fat guys, they're long, and they're athletic. This was another

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Speaker 1: I think that I did not expect to see in

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Speaker 1: the first round that maybe that that group of players

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Speaker 1: They're not those tackle types. But I think it's some

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Speaker 1: many of these six five plus, you know, two seventy

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Speaker 1: me him. Yeah, I want that. A twenty has the

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Speaker 1: Seahawks taking another one of those guys, Byron Young out

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