Speaker 1: We bring in Sean Marryman lights out himself. He's been
Speaker 1: on the field a lot of times. Sean, I want
Speaker 1: to start with the game that obviously is not that
Speaker 1: big in the grand scheme of things right now, but
Speaker 1: has everybody talking. And that's the way that the Jets
Speaker 1: game ended against the Raiders. You've been on the field
Speaker 1: for a lot of snaps of defensive football in your career.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen someone send pressure in that situation
Speaker 1: like happened for the Raiders to have a chance to
Speaker 1: make that play to Henry Ruggs. No, never, Um, And
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say this, Yeah, I've heard a lot
Speaker 1: of people over the course of time say the team's tank.
Speaker 1: And I said, look, NFL. Maybe some other sports maybe,
Speaker 1: but definitely not in NFL. There's no such thing as
Speaker 1: an NFL team tanking for a number one overall traffick.
Speaker 1: Today I questioned that for the first time we have
Speaker 1: we have never seen I've never seen that ever. It
Speaker 1: where you're up and you know at the end of
Speaker 1: the game and you call it zero glitch with no
Speaker 1: safety over top. I've never seen anything like that ever
Speaker 1: in the history of the game and watching, especially when
Speaker 1: you're trying to go out there and win. And you
Speaker 1: know you heard a few of the the players after the
Speaker 1: game of the press conference say, we could have got
Speaker 1: a better call. We need some help there. Um, it
Speaker 1: is really bad over it right now? And I for
Speaker 1: the first time ever watching football, I think I've seen
Speaker 1: the team taking on purpose, uh, in order to get
Speaker 1: that first round, the first overall traffick. You ever, you're
Speaker 1: a smart guy. You You've called a lot of plays.
Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of defensive calls. You ever go
Speaker 1: rogue as a as a defensive player and do something
Speaker 1: different than the call in a situation like that because
Speaker 1: or is it so your obligation to run that defense
Speaker 1: even if you have questions about it? Oh yeah, you
Speaker 1: run whatever play calls. Now. Don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: have made my on place. But my coach would tell
Speaker 1: me where he fell ups or John Fergano who was
Speaker 1: the decorner, uh, you know, defensive coordinator at the time,
Speaker 1: or a linebacker. Coach, they would tell me, if you
Speaker 1: if you go outside the playbook, you better make the
Speaker 1: play that was, for lack of a better term, like
Speaker 1: you better be like your responsibility. You still gotta take it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely they called a plate, you run it
Speaker 1: no matter what that situation is. Now, if you go
Speaker 1: up under a play or come on a stunting of
Speaker 1: lips because you see a pathle kicking out too far,
Speaker 1: yeah you can go and get creative. But at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, nine not percent the time, you run whatever
Speaker 1: play is called. And for Greg Williams to put that team, uh,
Speaker 1: And look, I can't menssarily blame it on Greg Williams. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's a bad defensive coordinator. I think
Speaker 1: he's in a bad organization. I think he's on a
Speaker 1: bad defense. Um. And who knows if that play call
Speaker 1: came from him, I mean there might be bigger powers
Speaker 1: that uh this and hey, this is a play call
Speaker 1: we're gonna make. We're gonna lose this game, right, And
Speaker 1: maybe it didn't come down directly like that. But I
Speaker 1: can't see somebody experienced as Greg Williams play call make
Speaker 1: a play call like that. Ever. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: It never happens, you know. You know what's interesting is
Speaker 1: you talked about this to start and and you've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of football players to say it over the years.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of fans don't really understand
Speaker 1: it when it's said, and that is this, which is
Speaker 1: if you can't really tank and play football right, Like
Speaker 1: you can have guys that aren't as good as the
Speaker 1: other team, but it's so physical and you have to
Speaker 1: commit so much of your mind and body to play
Speaker 1: that it's really impossible. Unlike you know, let's say in
Speaker 1: the in basketball or or somewhere else, it's really impossible
Speaker 1: to do that right. It's next the impossible because it's
Speaker 1: eleven men on the field. So in order to tank,
Speaker 1: And this is why I always that when you're talking
Speaker 1: about the NFL and football watch impossible for people at
Speaker 1: TAK you still have ten other guys. So say, for example,
Speaker 1: they were in a right play call, there were more
Speaker 1: than the uh prevented style defense or of some kind
Speaker 1: of cover for or three where you keep everything in
Speaker 1: front of you. Now, if the cornerback Bob was the
Speaker 1: ball and he missed the play and the wide receiver
Speaker 1: still catches it, then you gotta safety right there. They
Speaker 1: can make your tackle and in the play and game
Speaker 1: over you still win. But to have no one back
Speaker 1: there overtop it's that was a play call that was
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the players. Yeah, you want to
Speaker 1: go have a guy massed up mant on man and
Speaker 1: hope that he goes out and prevent prevent something wide
Speaker 1: receiver Fron catches it. But to have no help over
Speaker 1: top that is coming from the coach, that is coming
Speaker 1: from the organization, and sometimes the cornerback is gonna get beat.
Speaker 1: But you still should in that particular situation, you still
Speaker 1: should have somebody over top. We're talking to Sean marrimon
Speaker 1: Lights Out podcast on the I Heart podcasting network. Let's
Speaker 1: go into what's went on in the NFC West. It's
Speaker 1: like every single week something different happens in terms of
Speaker 1: the expected leader of the division. And the Giants got
Speaker 1: an absolutely massive win that I don't think anybody anticipated
Speaker 1: against the Seahawks. What's going on with the Seahawks in
Speaker 1: that larger context, and who do you like to come
Speaker 1: out of the NFC West with four games to go? Well,
Speaker 1: For one, Bruce Wilson had done a couple of things
Speaker 1: uncharacteristic and him not taking to the ball and I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about the bibble pass and Carson the in
Speaker 1: and into an interception, but you know third and long
Speaker 1: situations when you can throw the ball out of bounds
Speaker 1: and live to fight another day. You take the sack
Speaker 1: and you know he's not taking care of the football
Speaker 1: right now. But also I don't think they were prepared
Speaker 1: to see Colton McCord. You know, there's you know, you
Speaker 1: talk about two different style of players and for whatever reason, uh,
Speaker 1: they played up to the Seahawks level, or if you
Speaker 1: want to look at the other way, the Seahawks played
Speaker 1: down at the Giants level. And that's what happens, and
Speaker 1: we just I don't understand that how they could come
Speaker 1: for a week the week and play great against better
Speaker 1: teams and then you come and face a team like
Speaker 1: the Giants who are not really a great football team
Speaker 1: at all, and then you you stick it up. So,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that they need to have the
Speaker 1: same level of confidence, the same mindset going for a
Speaker 1: week the week, no matter who they're planning, because it
Speaker 1: seems like when they play the teams that aren't as
Speaker 1: good as they are, they played down to their level.
Speaker 1: We're talking to Sean Merriman as you work through so
Speaker 1: that the race in the NFC West is going to
Speaker 1: be super interesting. In the Rams right now are in
Speaker 1: the lead there and also, the race in the a
Speaker 1: f C South seems like it's gonna be interesting. And
Speaker 1: for the first time since n I believe it is,
Speaker 1: the Browns are nine and three. I was at this game.
Speaker 1: I went and watched it in person. Unfortunately as a
Speaker 1: Titans fan. It was thirty eight to seven at the half.
Speaker 1: The Titans got absolutely obliterated. How good are the Browns?
Speaker 1: Was this one of those games where you just kind
Speaker 1: of toss it out and say, this isn't really representative
Speaker 1: of what would typically happen, because these teams could end
Speaker 1: up playing in the postseason if they both get there,
Speaker 1: or is it something more significant at play based on
Speaker 1: what happened in that Browns Titans game. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: there's you I believe that both of their records were
Speaker 1: three coming into the team, but you see one a
Speaker 1: three team going upwards and you kind of see the
Speaker 1: other eight three team going downwards. And right now is
Speaker 1: when you want to play your your best football, November December,
Speaker 1: going into the playoffs, when you want to pick up
Speaker 1: you're playing your best football. And it seems that the
Speaker 1: last three or four games the Titans are going the
Speaker 1: other way and the Browns are you know, hit that
Speaker 1: hot streak going into the playoffs, and that's the way
Speaker 1: that those are the best teams when they when they
Speaker 1: come down to it. Uh, you know Titans starting the
Speaker 1: season off grade. I mean these guys with are stoppable
Speaker 1: running the ball and A J. Brown, these guys and
Speaker 1: Davis catching the ball to mean, you know, getting they
Speaker 1: were getting after people on the defense side of the
Speaker 1: ball in the last three or four weeks. You just
Speaker 1: haven't seen that. So, you know, you get closer and
Speaker 1: closer to the playoffs and the teams are playing well,
Speaker 1: are really going to start the show around this time
Speaker 1: November December will tell you a lot about what a
Speaker 1: team's gonna do in the playoffs. What did you think?
Speaker 1: I know, it's been several days since this game happened
Speaker 1: and we had to you know, game take place on
Speaker 1: a I think it was what a Wednesday, right, the
Speaker 1: crazy Wednesday game. But when you look at the Steelers,
Speaker 1: are the Steelers a team that you would be afraid of?
Speaker 1: Or because they've played so many close games I think
Speaker 1: they've won six by seven or less, or are you
Speaker 1: gonna look at it and say we can beat this
Speaker 1: team like the Steelers? I know they're eleven and oh.
Speaker 1: They may well finished fifteen and one, fourteen and two
Speaker 1: sixteen and oh, but that doesn't feel like they have
Speaker 1: the same aura of invincibility that typically teams with that
Speaker 1: kind of record have. Well, you know, it's uh, it's
Speaker 1: funny because I said last week a few weeks ago
Speaker 1: that this is the most balanced team in football. Like,
Speaker 1: they don't do one particular thing extremely well. They do
Speaker 1: a lot of things across the board well, right, if
Speaker 1: they're not you know, they're not running a tip team,
Speaker 1: they don't have a great you know, they do everything
Speaker 1: across the board well. And those are the teams are
Speaker 1: scary because when you going to start game planning, you
Speaker 1: start to stack up against whatever they do well, you
Speaker 1: want to stop that, right, So when you can't do that,
Speaker 1: and they have so many different ways to hurt you,
Speaker 1: and t J. Watt and these guys get naphews up.
Speaker 1: I know a budget free went down with that h
Speaker 1: c L. That's going to hurt them a little bit.
Speaker 1: But they're still so well, they're well coached, and they're
Speaker 1: well balanced. So when you're trying to figure a team
Speaker 1: out like that, it's like, Okay, we gotta go in
Speaker 1: and really play these guys well because it's not one
Speaker 1: thing they do great. Plus you know they know how
Speaker 1: to win football games at the end. The good teams,
Speaker 1: it don't matter if you win by one point, six point,
Speaker 1: seven point, it doesn't matter. A win is a win.
Speaker 1: And they've found a way to close games out. So
Speaker 1: that championship football, that's that's what you're gonna need when
Speaker 1: the game gets tight, when you get deeper to those playoffs.
Speaker 1: You've got so much money invested in Carson Wentz still,
Speaker 1: if you are the Eagles, Jalen Hurts came in. We'll
Speaker 1: see what ends up happening with him going forward. But
Speaker 1: as you look at Jalen Hurts and you look at
Speaker 1: Carson Wins, what do the Eagles have to do? I mean,
Speaker 1: given how much money they have invested in Carson Wins,
Speaker 1: but also given that they took Jalen Hurts in the
Speaker 1: second round, what what should they be doing? Well? You move,
Speaker 1: you move on while you still can um and if
Speaker 1: you bench him permanently and already show that you're moving
Speaker 1: off from then his trade value and to be able
Speaker 1: to move him becomes left. So do it right now
Speaker 1: or as soon as you can. You know past trade
Speaker 1: DeLine already, but do it as soon as you can.
Speaker 1: Why they're still a good market for maybe you can
Speaker 1: get a third or fourth round pick, uh, you know
Speaker 1: for Carson wins Because look at the other of the day,
Speaker 1: you've already made your decision. You made your decision when
Speaker 1: you drafted Hurts. You don't draft the guy in the
Speaker 1: second round after you have a quarterback you just paid.
Speaker 1: If you're not playing a move on at some point,
Speaker 1: right that just doesn't that just don't happen. I mean
Speaker 1: we've seen it with Aaron Rodgers. You know, even Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is playing an m v P count of level football.
Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, they still
Speaker 1: drafted a guy to come in and play. Whether it's
Speaker 1: a year, two years, they got a guy that's ready
Speaker 1: to go. So look, make that move, get something for
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz now, and just move on. I mean you
Speaker 1: you've already kind of made that decison. Anyway. What happened
Speaker 1: to your Chargers we're talking to Sean Merriman. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was a beat down of epic proportions that Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick the Patriots put on. What's the story there? I mean,
Speaker 1: the Chargers had a tough loss against the Bills. Are
Speaker 1: they done in your mind? Yeah, and it's unfortunate. I
Speaker 1: think now is the time to make changes. And you know,
Speaker 1: I never want to call out to a poach or
Speaker 1: anybody in the staff to get fired, because I've never
Speaker 1: done that and I never will. But at some point
Speaker 1: in time, you gotta look at what you have, right.
Speaker 1: You gotta a young quarterback just playing out standing, so
Speaker 1: he has an infinite amount of ability or where he's
Speaker 1: going with his career. You have a in me and
Speaker 1: my opinion, three of the best wide receivers with the
Speaker 1: court in NFL. You got uh Hunter, Henry uh Alan
Speaker 1: and Mike Williams, Kim and Island and Mike Williams. And
Speaker 1: so you're telling me that was that core right there alone?
Speaker 1: You can't score a point. I mean, that's that was
Speaker 1: pretty embarrassing. I'm sitting there watching, I'm back on Twitter
Speaker 1: and say and I'm getting to the point where I
Speaker 1: just don't have anything to say. And I never want
Speaker 1: to call out a coach. You never want to point
Speaker 1: figures at anybody. But you're not scoring you. I mean
Speaker 1: this we're talking about the NFL. This is these are pros.
Speaker 1: Did you tell me you couldn't kick a damn field goal?
Speaker 1: You can't you get a field goal block, You can't
Speaker 1: even get up, you can't even get up on the board.
Speaker 1: This is not Madden, this is not a blog. These
Speaker 1: are professional athletes and you can't get into the end
Speaker 1: zone one or you can't kick a field goal, and
Speaker 1: it's embarrassed. Right now, it just seems to me that
Speaker 1: the players aren't responding to Anthony Lynn. So they need
Speaker 1: to find a way to make that situation better. And
Speaker 1: don't ruin what you have because you have a you
Speaker 1: have a damn good team. Look if you get three
Speaker 1: or four those games you lost within seventh point this year,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a different season. Are you a guy
Speaker 1: I know you said you don't like to call for
Speaker 1: guy's names guy's jobs, But does it make sense in
Speaker 1: the NFL to move on from a coach during the
Speaker 1: season or you a guy that would say regardless, it
Speaker 1: makes sense to go ahead and finish the year and
Speaker 1: then make your decision about who you're gonna go get,
Speaker 1: maybe to uh maybe to replace him. I mean, in
Speaker 1: other words, when things are really going bad, like the
Speaker 1: Jets basically have decided they're gonna stick with Adam Gaze
Speaker 1: and make him wear all of these losses, it seems,
Speaker 1: and then move on at the end of the year.
Speaker 1: The Chargers may stick with Anthony Lynn for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year, but then you see a guy like
Speaker 1: Dan Quinn get forced out in Atlanta and they go
Speaker 1: ahead and turn the page. What's you make sense? Well,
Speaker 1: when my opinion, you make that move now, because anytime
Speaker 1: you have a game like that, the wind is knocked
Speaker 1: out of a team. When you get back into the
Speaker 1: locker room, it looks like a funeral home and guys
Speaker 1: are just They're hands are down, their moping. It's just
Speaker 1: not a good atmosphere. So the only way to get
Speaker 1: fresh life in there and the first breath of air
Speaker 1: is to make decisions now, to show, you know, the players,
Speaker 1: show the fans and everybody around the organization that things
Speaker 1: need to change and we need to start at the top,
Speaker 1: and then we need to trickle down and start making
Speaker 1: some decisions. And like I said, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying whatever you know, the fire Anthony Lynn, I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that at all. I would never call for a
Speaker 1: guy to uh to be fired to a coach be
Speaker 1: fired because it's not fun. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you're a performance business and you're not performing, so you
Speaker 1: have to expect, uh, these type of things to go
Speaker 1: down this way. Sean Merriman, he's in the Lights Out podcast.
Speaker 1: Go check it out in the I Heart Podcast Network.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you giving us the time, my man. We
Speaker 1: look forward to talking to you next week. You gotta
Speaker 1: thank for