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Speaker 1: I was a rookie prosecutor and befriended a rookie cop

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Speaker 1: That was that was killed in the line of duty. Today,

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Speaker 1: Darryl Sancana was working patrol as a rookie cop when

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Speaker 1: I knocked his glasses and hat off and reached across

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Speaker 1: in California, and he had come here to hide. The

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Speaker 1: shooter was Louise Archiletta. Archiletta was later taken to a

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Speaker 1: that was from a Hollywood script. I mean this was

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Speaker 1: a well orchestrated escape that he did. Took a hostage

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Speaker 1: head a getaway car, an accomplice of guns. Sincana has

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Speaker 1: been chasing him ever since for forty six years. Join

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Speaker 1: me today that cop along with an all star panel

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Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again.

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Speaker 1: David di Pietro, South Florida, former prosecutor now trial lawyer

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Speaker 1: CEO d Pietro Partners, Attorneys at law, renowned New York psychologists,

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Speaker 1: Joining me from Manhattan. Karen Stark at Karen Stark dot com,

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Speaker 1: Lead anchor Orlando Morning News w DBO, Ray Caputo. But

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Speaker 1: first to the hero, the man who lived Darryl Sinquanta

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Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty, spent the next forty

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Speaker 1: I'm just so thrilled to talk to you, Daryl, and

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Speaker 1: hearing your voice and knowing what you've been through surviving

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Speaker 1: a gunshot wound, fighting for your life. I don't know

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Speaker 1: where to start, so let's just start at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the day that you were shot out

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Speaker 1: a district one which is North Sender And they're solo

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Speaker 1: in the morning. When you say solo cars, that means

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Speaker 1: I recall, it was about two o'clock that you started

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Speaker 1: and you got to be really deadicate to stick with it.

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Speaker 1: Two am you're out on the street. And another thing

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Speaker 1: This guy Darrel Sequanta, the author of the Blue Chameleon.

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Speaker 1: Pussa Terry, was convicted and sentenced to nine to fourteen

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Speaker 1: With me right now? This guy, the guy who lived,

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Speaker 1: The cop who lived? Ever had Harry Potter, the boy

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Speaker 1: who lived? This is the cop who lived? Daryl Siquanta,

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Speaker 1: author of The Blue Chameleon, with me. You know when

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Speaker 1: I hear that story, it literally gives me a chill

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Speaker 1: What was he in for? Okay? You got him back

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Speaker 1: think that the Crusade for Justice moved him out to Mexico.

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Speaker 1: He's in Mexico and he supposedly dealing drugs. He ye,

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Speaker 1: what's the Crusade for Justice. It's an early militant terrorist

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Speaker 1: So he goes to actually gets in a firefight and

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Speaker 1: told him that he had shot a policeman in Denver

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Speaker 1: at all the pictures, always afraa. They're going to pay

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Speaker 1: the wrong person. It was important, you know. Can I

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Speaker 1: Darryl So he gets the measly fourteen years on that,

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Speaker 1: down a little bit? Yeah, and in solving crimes right

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Speaker 1: and making sure that people serve the time that they

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Speaker 1: for the crimes that they've committed. So I think this

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Speaker 1: is a natural human way of believing that we deal

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Speaker 1: with things in a democracy where we where we have

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Speaker 1: a criminal justice system for sure. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Guys,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about a common that never gave up

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Speaker 1: after being shot as a rookie. Can't believe it when

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Speaker 1: the purp actually escape and goes on the run, hiding

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Speaker 1: out over forty years, seemingly disappearing, blending in just vanishing

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Speaker 1: into thin air. Take a listen now to our friend

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Speaker 1: Jerry Hahola KUSA nine. Darryl sin Quanto was a up

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Speaker 1: in Denver when this escaped California convicts shot him in

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Speaker 1: the stomach in nineteen seventy one. The timeline of events

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Speaker 1: is a bit complicated, but in short, the shooter, Lawrence

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Speaker 1: Pussa Terry, was convicted of the crime, but escaped again

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Speaker 1: from Colorado forty six years ago, and since then, Darrel

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Speaker 1: has been trying to find him. During that time, Daryl

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Speaker 1: retired from the police department and started his own private

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Speaker 1: investigation firm, but he never stopped making phone calls and

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Speaker 1: doing door knocks in hopes of tracking down the man

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Speaker 1: who shot him. Wow, take a listen one more time

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Speaker 1: to Jeremy Hala Kusa nine knees forty six years later.

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Speaker 1: Now to clear believe, I get a phone call. Well,

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00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: this person gives me his address is alias and other

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00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: facts that you meant nothing at the time. Darryl finds

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Speaker 1: a man named Ramon Montoya living in Espanola, New Mexico

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Speaker 1: for the past forty years. He found a drunk driving

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Speaker 1: case on his occurred and a mug shot. Daryl was

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Speaker 1: convinced it was the guy he's been looking for. Espanila

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Speaker 1: police and the FBI got involved and confirmed Lawrence Pussa

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Speaker 1: Terry was living a lie. His tattoos matched up and

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Speaker 1: they surrounded it with a SWAT unit and they went

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Speaker 1: in and got him. I'm reveling in the fact that

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Speaker 1: I got him and they're going to extra drite him

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Speaker 1: back and I'm going to try to see him. I

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Speaker 1: would love to sit down and talk to him. So

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Speaker 1: he may or may not talk to me. Who knows?

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00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: And with me? That cop, the cop who lived back

462
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Speaker 1: to you darrells the Quanta author of The Blue Chameleon,

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Speaker 1: Ramon Montoya tell me about getting that phone call. How

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Speaker 1: did that happen the case that the call that cried

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Speaker 1: the case wide open? Well, I think it was due

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Speaker 1: to years and years of rattling all their cages and

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Speaker 1: going to informants, family members, bad guys. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that the person that called me

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Speaker 1: I had talked to previously when I don't know, But

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Speaker 1: when I got the call, it was interesting that this

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Speaker 1: guy says, you know, I've been thinking about it, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you where the guy is. A

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Speaker 1: shot him. So I immediately started writing, you know, he

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Speaker 1: gives me this information, and I take that information and

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Speaker 1: I turned it into a lot of information. Where were

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Speaker 1: you when you got the call home? When you heard

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Speaker 1: the voice, did you recognize it? No? No, I have

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Speaker 1: no clue who the person was. Haven't you ever done

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Speaker 1: Star sixty nine? For pete sake? It was blocked and

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Speaker 1: I don't really care who it was. Why do I

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Speaker 1: care to thank them? He gave me a gift. You're

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Speaker 1: darn right, guys. Take a listen to our friend Matt

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Speaker 1: Morrow at Box thirty one. Archiletto, who was wanted by

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Speaker 1: the FBI, was on the run for decades, but it

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Speaker 1: turns out he didn't run very far. He was hiding

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Speaker 1: out here in Espanola, New Mexico, a small city about

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Speaker 1: twenty five miles north of Santa Fe. Back in June,

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Speaker 1: the FBI and Espanola police got a tip that the

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Speaker 1: wanted fugitive was hiding in plain sight and arrested him

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Speaker 1: Wednesday with plans to bring him back to Colorado. And

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Speaker 1: that tip it came from former officer sin Quanta, who,

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Speaker 1: more than forty years later, never gave up searching for

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Speaker 1: the man who almost ended his career and life. So

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Speaker 1: all of this begs the question, how did former officer

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Speaker 1: Darylson Quanta find that the man who shot him was

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Speaker 1: hiding out in New Mexico that he won't say all

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Speaker 1: to protect a source. So is that true? Darryl Son Quanta?

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Speaker 1: You still won't tell me who your source is because

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Speaker 1: I find it very hard He didn't recognize it. You

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Speaker 1: couldn't start sixty nine. It came out of the blue.

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Speaker 1: You never tried to find them. M that's some that's

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Speaker 1: some deep throw going on right there. That's what you

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Speaker 1: call a confidential informant. I mean, very confidential. I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what I wouldn't have told him, or you or

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Speaker 1: anybody if I knew, you know, I wouldn't put the

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Speaker 1: person in that position. But you said the words were

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Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it, and I've decided I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you where he is yep, which which means

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Speaker 1: I think you're right. It is somebody at some point

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Speaker 1: that you contacted. I believe it. I believe that. How

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Speaker 1: would they know to contact you at that time? Were

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Speaker 1: you already retired? Oh? Sure, yeah, I retired in nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 1: So how would they find you and hook you back

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00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: up with the guy that shot you and got away?

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Speaker 1: How was the under the name Ramo Montoya living? What

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Speaker 1: did he do for a living? Well? I didn't know

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Speaker 1: at the time. I mean I can tell you what

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Speaker 1: I did with the information, what I found, okay, very interesting.

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Speaker 1: Tell me well, I took to name number one and

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Speaker 1: I was in shock when I found a database entry,

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Speaker 1: So that means he's in all databases and he has

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Speaker 1: all these addresses. He has a phony date of birth,

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Speaker 1: a social Security number, prior addresses in a database under

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Speaker 1: Ramon Montoya. So that's interesting in itself. That means he's

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Speaker 1: been at these places for some time under this alias.

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Speaker 1: So when I found the twenty eleven Dwai, I pulled

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Speaker 1: the mug shot and it was him. I mean I

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Speaker 1: knew it was him. I could tell by the head shape.

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Speaker 1: Now this guy has changed, obviously, but it was him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at the before and after shot, and you

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Speaker 1: know that can trick a lot of people. David di Pietro,

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Speaker 1: South Florida, former prosecutor now trial lawyer, because you look

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Speaker 1: at the before and the after, and what strikes me

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Speaker 1: he does have an odd shay head. Have you ever

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Speaker 1: heard of air kuel Piro? David d Pietro. He's a

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Speaker 1: sleuth in Acatha Christie novels, and she describes his head

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Speaker 1: as being egg shaped. And his head is egg shaped

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Speaker 1: with the tiny part on the top, but his nose

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Speaker 1: to me, and the shape of his mouth and those

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Speaker 1: piercing brown eyes, and the shape of how his eyebrows

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Speaker 1: just go suddenly down at the edges. They go down,

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Speaker 1: and then they taken a shot forty years progression, David DiPietro.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes that can mess up an eyewitness when age, when

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Speaker 1: time has passed. I don't think you forget the person

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Speaker 1: that show, even forty years later. But the tattoos don't

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Speaker 1: ever go away. Oh yeah, let's talk about the tattoos.

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Speaker 1: Good point, d Pietro. What were the tattoos? Do you know,

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Speaker 1: Ray Kapoodo, what were the tattoos? Apparently he had a

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Speaker 1: softer side, Nancy. He had le gloria tattooed on one

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Speaker 1: of his arms. On the other he had like a

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Speaker 1: woman's face and a butterfly. They had a rosary. But

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Speaker 1: they were very distinctive tattoos, you know. So it does

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Speaker 1: make me wonder why it's just based on his tattoos.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't more recognizable through the years. Okay, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: what is this true, deary Quante? He had a butterfly tattoo? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he did what else? Well, he just just described him,

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Speaker 1: you know, um gloria. You know, the gloria was on

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Speaker 1: a face I believe was Zana's upper right arm. And

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Speaker 1: it said gloria on a face of a female and

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Speaker 1: below that I think is where the butterfly is. But

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00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: he had four distinctive tattoos. But you know, guys like

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Speaker 1: him or were a Lonsley shirt the rest of his

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Speaker 1: life done to show the tattoos. I'm sure he knew

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Speaker 1: he was on America's Most Wanted and they showed all

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Speaker 1: his tattoos. Does anybody know how he was living under

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Speaker 1: under the radar? What did he do for a living?

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00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: I do what tell me? I mean, I I suspect

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Speaker 1: and here's why, Um that d w I arrest. They

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Speaker 1: booked him, and they fingerprinted him. And when we not

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Speaker 1: only me, but the FBI, n Espanola Police Abraham Bacca

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Speaker 1: went to retrieve those um fingerprints, they're gone. Okay to me,

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Speaker 1: that means he has somebody helping him. So he not

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Speaker 1: only had somebody helping him in the police department, but

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Speaker 1: also in DMV because he had a driver's license under

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Speaker 1: the funny name of course. Yeah, because under the fingerprint database,

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Speaker 1: as soon as he got booked, that should have popped

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Speaker 1: up immediately that he was should have gone to the

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Speaker 1: FBI for comparison. And I don't know how they do

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Speaker 1: it today, but we always sent the card, sent the

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Speaker 1: arrest to the FBI, and they would check the person

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Speaker 1: to see if it's phony. And he's actually wandered under

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Speaker 1: another identity based on the fingerprints. Lewis Luise Archila aka

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Speaker 1: Lawrence Pussy aka Ramomtorya now behind bars. So, sinquanta, have

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Speaker 1: you ever gotten to sit down and talk to him? No? No,

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Speaker 1: I think he's back in Colorado. I haven't verified it yet.

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Speaker 1: Why do you want to talk to him? What do

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Speaker 1: you want to say? Oh? The first thing I would

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Speaker 1: say to him, I would congratulate him for staying hidden

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Speaker 1: this long. I mean, that's a feat And I think

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would say to him. Why not.

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Speaker 1: I love talking to criminals and there's a policeman. I

592
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: talked to him all the time, and you learn, well,

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Speaker 1: not all of them have shot you in the gut

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Speaker 1: or wherever he shot you. That's true. And let me

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Speaker 1: say this now, this wasn't a revenge deal. Okay, I

596
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: took it personal, but this was cops and robbers and

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00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: gave you know me something to work on on the

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Speaker 1: side all these years. Try to find him. What's the

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00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: name of your PI company, Professional Investigators, Professional Investigators, Inc.

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Speaker 1: Well Darrel sin Quanta, And I mean easy to find,

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00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: by the way, So this person had called me wouldn't

602
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: have a hard time to get my phone number. And

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Speaker 1: I've had the same phone number since nineteen seventy so

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Speaker 1: I'm not hard to find, you know what, Darryl. I'm

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Speaker 1: always reporting on murderer and child molestation. And i gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you something. I'm so happy to talk to you

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Speaker 1: and that we have just for today a happy ending.

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Speaker 1: God bless you, it is a happy ending. Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,