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Speaker 1: This is Benn and Ashley I Almost Famous in Depth.

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Speaker 1: We're back for another in depth podcast. Now to get

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Speaker 1: We're super pumped for it. But with that, let's go

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Speaker 1: ahead and get started. Ashley, how are you doing. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about today's guest. I feel like this

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Speaker 1: Um somehow, I forget how, and she I was telling

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Speaker 1: she goes, you need to talk to Jason, because Jason

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Speaker 1: you know, Jason Tartick is the guest of the In

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Speaker 1: and read through his bio. Uh. Jason Tartik is a speaker, investor,

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Speaker 1: and founder of Restart, a consulting company, vlog That's vlog

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Speaker 1: And we all know that he's currently did in Caitlin

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Speaker 1: for you know the familiar to the podcast We welcome

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Speaker 1: somebody that we are ecstatic to talk to. You know,

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Speaker 1: for anybody out there listening, these in Death podcasts are

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Speaker 1: think they're timeless. If you're a fan of the Bachelor franchise,

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Speaker 1: they're evergreens for us. They're evergreens for us. Well, I

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Almost Famous in Death Podcast. Jason Tartik.

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Speaker 1: Hey eyes, how's it going up? Jason? How are you

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Speaker 1: good doing well? It's good to see you guys. I

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Speaker 1: I actually feel like I can. I can think back.

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Speaker 1: It's been since the I Heart Podcast Awards. Wasn't that January?

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Speaker 1: I remember the first time I came on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's it is. Well, hey, thank you for coming on here. Uh,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember this. I just mentioned

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate that really kind words. I do remember

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Speaker 1: to a BBC. Now. That was March two thousand seventeen,

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Speaker 1: and then I moved to Seattle for a new job.

429
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Speaker 1: And I remember I remember Saturday night, I was I

430
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: went out after and I was hungover. Sunday morning, I

431
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: listened to my voicemail and it's an ABC producer saying, Hey,

432
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to check in. We have this video you

433
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: from the Bachelor auction and nomination. Would you want to

434
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: be part of the show. Are you still single? If so,

435
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: we just sent you an application And I get this application.

436
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: You guys know, they ask you what everything right? I mean,

437
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: they want to know literally who your girlfriend Wasn't Savens great?

438
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: And so I thought it was like fraun, I'm like,

439
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: this is a killer game. You're gonna get if. I

440
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: had my mom looking up and she's like, that's a

441
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: legit producer. And so I was in Seattle at the

442
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,880
Speaker 1: time and said, you know what, it's twenty nine kind

443
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: of the only thing I've done at this point is

444
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: chase my career. I've relocated seven, eight nine times, Like

445
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: why the hell not, Like, let's just give it a goal.

446
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 1: Let's rolling. Let's acknowledge the fact that you were being

447
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: auctioned off for a day before you were even on

448
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, Like people doesn't wanted to pay money to

449
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: go on a date with Jason beforehand. That that's the

450
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of catch he is. He needed the confidence, though

451
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: we've just learned the guys struggled with success and confidence

452
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: his whole life. He needed that little boost good times.

453
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 1: And it's funny though about that story. I called my

454
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: best buddy and I was like, dude, you're never gonna

455
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: believe this call I got today. He's like, wait, You're

456
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: never gonna believe this call I got today. So my

457
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: best friend Hawk growing up. He got called the same

458
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,640
Speaker 1: day I did for the back and so he went through. Yeah,

459
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: he went through the whole process. He went all the way.

460
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: He went to New York, like that's like the regionals

461
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: or whatever, and they ended up not selecting him, but

462
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 1: at the irony of the fact that there was a

463
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Speaker 1: date with Baccay in Richmond, Virginia and three of my

464
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: friends came in surprised me and he was one of

465
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Speaker 1: the guys. So we still talk about that to this day,

466
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: like what if it would have been him, and like

467
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 1: how different things would be, and yeah, it's crazy how

468
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 1: life work. Was anyone in your family a big Bachelor fan.

469
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: My mom is a huge basket. She's watched every season

470
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: since Trista's my dad, you know, he's kind of like indifferent,

471
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 1: like he's like watching with your honey, but like I

472
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: don't think he like absolutely loves it. And then my

473
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: brother has not He's like he doesn't know what the

474
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 1: bachelors Now. He certainly does, but I was kind of

475
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 1: just in between. And my mom was so fissed when

476
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: she found out. She's like, wait a second, this is

477
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: my world, Like this is my escape with girlfriends, we

478
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: gossip about this. I don't have to listen to this,

479
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: and that this is my world, stay out of it.

480
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: And then I figured she's like, she's like, he'll go

481
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: home really like we'll be fine, and then she got

482
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: dragged the hometown. So that's another story. It's true though.

483
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: It's funny how you're like some of my most loyal

484
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: friends to the Bachelor franchise. So people who have watched it,

485
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: family who has watched it their whole lives. I almost

486
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: feel like I did ruin it for them, Like some

487
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: of them don't watch anymore, not because there's any like

488
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: insider information that you know, blows it up, but they've

489
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Speaker 1: I think it's the like fantasy of it all maybe

490
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: where like you watch it on TV, you can kind

491
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 1: of judge and critique and say things you want, and

492
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: then when you know somebody's gone on it, then it

493
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: like takes the fun away, Like there's no fantasy to

494
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 1: it anymore. You know what it is, and it's not

495
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: that enjoyable to be a part of it. You've touched it, yeah,

496
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean hometown hero Ben becomes the freaking king of

497
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: the franchise, Like I'm done with this, Yeah, but you

498
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 1: were top three on becca season. So this I mean,

499
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: you go on the show, your mom doesn't think you're

500
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 1: gonna make it very far. She goes to hometowns with you.

501
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 1: You make it to the top three on Becca's season,

502
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: and things ended in Thailand for you personally, and we

503
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,239
Speaker 1: always like to talk about it. What was it like

504
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: to kind of heal from the breakup publicly, but also

505
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: what was it like to heal from the whole experience

506
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: going back to your family? Yeah, it's it's a healing process, right,

507
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 1: I mean, you go everyone that comes out of that show,

508
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: you get your a little mentally jaded a little bit.

509
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: You start to question things, and you know, you don't

510
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: realize you watched everything back and you start to see

511
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: how love they were with someone else, and then you

512
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: start to question yourself like what's how did I not

513
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: see through that? How was I stuck in my own

514
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: little world? And um, you know, I think it's one

515
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: of these things that I just felt like I was

516
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: very like like at on the show a little bit,

517
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: I was like blindsided. So then you start you start

518
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: bringing that to like different aspects of your life and

519
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: you start thinking like, am I gonna get blindsided here

520
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: in future relationships. So for me, it was it was

521
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: a good experience. I learned a lot about myself. It

522
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 1: was almost a therapeutic and the fact that I didn't

523
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: really ever talk about my feelings. I never really address

524
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: some of the things internally, and on that show you

525
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: have to. It's a crash course. So I think I

526
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: came out of that show like so much of a

527
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: stronger person and so much more like in touch with

528
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: with who I am as a person, like what I

529
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: want out of life. So overall, the experience was great,

530
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: It really was. But you know, you guys all know this,

531
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: Like when you go through that breakup on the show,

532
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: it's brutal and then you gotta watch it all back

533
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: and like, no, come on, I came again, So it's tough.

534
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: Your brother was I think the first and only um

535
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: gay sibling that we've seen in hometowns and he brought

536
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: his husband. How did that make you feel that you

537
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: were able to bring it just to like show that

538
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: on The Bachelor? It was one of the more revolutionary

539
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: things we've seen in the past couple of years. Yeah,

540
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: I think it was unbelievable. Kudos to ABC for for

541
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: showcasing that in such a normal fashion. Right. There wasn't

542
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: attention to it. It was right. It was just two

543
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: people that are married and happy and the story, you know.

544
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: And I guess what my concern was as we see

545
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: all the you know, the trolls all over the internet, like,

546
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: what would the viewing population of the batchelor have to

547
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: say about this? How would Twitter get you know, how

548
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: would they be? And honestly it was there was so

549
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,239
Speaker 1: much support from the whole bachelor community, um, which was

550
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: which was really I loved the fact that during that episode,

551
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: it was like, this is my brother and his husband,

552
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: and and there was nothing else brought up. There was

553
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: never like you're going to meet my gay brother. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

554
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't even like a conversation point, which was fantastic,

555
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's that's how it should be. It

556
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: reminds me we talked a little bit about my childhood.

557
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: Reminds me of the story, and I'll never forget it.

558
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: It was and it didn't click until later on. But

559
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: I was in like sixth grade, and you have six

560
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: or seventh grade. My brother could drive. I couldn't, and

561
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: so I needed a ride to the rink. So I

562
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: told my brother five bucks, I'll give you five bucks

563
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: right like, I'm negotiating with up and he's like, okay, fine,

564
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: I'll do it. So he drives me the rink. We're talking,

565
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: we're talking. I remember one of my friend's sister. There

566
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: were these rumors that she was a lesbian, and so

567
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: I was just like kind of even learning what all

568
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: that meant. And so I asked, I said, I know

569
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: your friends with her, you know she like I asked

570
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: that she lesbian, and never forget, he looked at me,

571
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: he thought about He looked at me. He's like, Jay said,

572
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: question back for you, like if she was? You know,

573
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: at this time, I had no idea if he was

574
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: gay or not, or I didn't really know what that meant, honestly,

575
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and he said, what if she was with that matter?

576
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: And I just remember thinking for I was like in

577
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 1: the air. So the first time I was ever like

578
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: asked that question, and we're pulling up to the rink.

579
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: I said, no, if she's happy, that's all that matters,

580
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: I guess, and he's like, yeah, okay, well I'm not

581
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: really sure where she stands, but yeah, I was just interested,

582
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: and I go out to take my wallet and I

583
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: have five bucks. I like, here you go, thanks for

584
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: the ride. He goes, No, don't worry about it. This

585
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: is free. And so I always wondering, I'm like, wow,

586
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: why didn't you give me a free ride? And then

587
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: like years later I'm like, oh my god, right, like

588
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: it all it all clicked right, he was clear. I mean,

589
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 1: obviously the story tells has a lot of meeting there,

590
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's uh, it's I mean, I just can't

591
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: underestimate for you personally, like how big of a benefit

592
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: it was to have him in your life. Because for me,

593
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, we've talked about it here recently, just with

594
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 1: all the changes and the confusion and everything going on,

595
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: like how much of it I feel like I'm catching

596
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: up on and I'm learning as I go, and I'm

597
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: uneducated on because I've never been exposed to it or

598
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: I've never um had to confront some of these things.

599
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: For you to have somebody so close to you that

600
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: you care about, that you trust, who is gay, who

601
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: can help walk you through that, like, I mean that

602
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: that's just incredible. Yeah, I mean to have some of

603
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: the yeah that has just different perspectives and can challenge

604
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: the way you think and um, you know, and to

605
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: learn all all all this at a young age from

606
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: someone who's like very insightful, intelligent is and I think

607
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: it's just rounded me and it's been Uh, it's awesome

608
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: and really it's special. You guys had a really strong

609
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: friendship between Becca's top four. Obviously Garrett and Becca just

610
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: broke up, and just wondering if you've talked to him,

611
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,959
Speaker 1: if you talked to her. Yes, so I haven't talked

612
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: to um Gary. It much like just like little things

613
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: like you might comment on something or that you know,

614
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: like I haven't. I haven't talked to Garrett. Um. Actually

615
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: we saw and spend time with Becca last night. Bacca

616
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: was so sweet. You wanted to do something special for

617
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: Caitlin for her first show, and so she surprised her

618
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: with a few of her friends. And actually Chris and

619
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: Lauren stopped by and put this little nice little orders

620
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: and wine and stuff last night with a great time.

621
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: And yeah, you could tell like we we got it.

622
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: We talked a lot about it, and um, you know

623
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: what the tough part about that is, like you watched

624
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: it all back and then I spent time with both

625
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: of them after the show, and we were all friends

626
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: and they were like genuinely like they were really in love.

627
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: They were really in love. So, um, it's it's sad

628
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: to see, especially back back is such a you guys,

629
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: such an amazing person, and to see her have to

630
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: go through that twice right to engagements not on her

631
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: favor is is tough. But you know what I think

632
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: she's in. She seems like she's in a gray place

633
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: and she's she's moving forward and she's not looking for

634
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: people to date right now. But do you have anybody

635
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: from the Bachelor or off camera that you would set

636
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: back up with? Oh, that is a good question. Um,

637
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: imagine if her and Blake got back together, Like that's

638
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: seriously like I don't see it happening, but like imagine

639
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: what a like full circle love story that would be.

640
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: Who could I see? That's actually really good answer. You

641
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: can keep rainstorming. I'll keep brainstorming. But I think I

642
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: could see that, I could see that maybe there was

643
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, I don't think he's gonna get

644
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: mad at me for ings, Like I know he was

645
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: legitimately heartbroken. Like that's like when you get off the

646
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: show sometimes like you'll meet the guys and they'll be like,

647
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, now I'm onto the next like I'm just

648
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: gonna go do my thing. Like Blake really felt that relationship,

649
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: so not a bad idea. Yeah, I mean he was

650
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: good friendly. Blake and I are good friends. And he

651
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: was struggle right, I mean like he was for a while.

652
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: So hey, maybe he's got it out of his system.

653
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: He's ready, you know who knows? Well. That brings up

654
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: a good point because you know, getting off of a

655
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: show is always a unique experience and everybody forms these

656
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: amazing friendships while they're on the show, but then it fades,

657
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: Like a lot of times you see seasons where people

658
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: come off and they're the closest at close can be

659
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: and then give it two years, people have gone their

660
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: separate ways. Your season was unique, and I think it's

661
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: one that everybody identifies. Where you're top four and even

662
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: further on, like you can go down the list, have

663
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: stayed close? Is there an actual closeness amongst you all?

664
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: And if so, what do you think has helped can

665
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: keep that going? And if not, like why why? Like

666
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: what what happens to allow people to go there? On

667
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: the other you know, their own separate ways? Yeah, I

668
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: think of like the top four, Blake and I are

669
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: certainly the closest of those guys and still are to

670
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: this day. I think, Um, you go through this crazy experience, right,

671
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 1: life changing experience, and no one, no one can relate

672
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: to your parents, can't relate to your best friends, can't

673
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: relate to your siblings, and so the only people that

674
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: could really totally get it. And that's why I think,

675
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: like the final fourth thing we became so close is

676
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: because we all went through this life changing things and

677
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 1: we're trying to figure it all out. We're dealing you know,

678
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: the first time you'll never forget. You get your d

679
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: M where people's being people are being so mean, and

680
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: you're like, who do I talk to about this? I

681
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: think it creates such a natural connection. And then what

682
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: happens is life happens, right, You start to see kind

683
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: of what happens under this world, and and I think

684
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: a lot of character comes out in people and like

685
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: what they do and how they do it. And then additionally,

686
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: you know, people become in different relationships and life moves

687
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: on and they go in different directions. So I think

688
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 1: it's natural for those relationships to fade. But it's still

689
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: really cool the relationships that stay strong. Blake and I

690
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: are still really good buddies, and it was even like

691
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: last night when I'm hanging out with Caitlin and Beck

692
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: at Tilly and beck a crew friend. They're all such

693
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 1: good friends. And it is interesting to see, like within

694
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: the franchise, which friendships really last and then which friendships

695
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: fizzle away. Which seems that most fizzle away once the

696
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: initial spark is kind of deteriorated or gone out. If

697
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: I think you said that, well, like there's there's that

698
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: family aspect to the Bachelor world and and I think

699
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: it exists long term with those who wanted to write

700
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: like you know, it's it has to be intentional because

701
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: everybody gets super crazy and life changes so quickly. But

702
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: you know, going back to the beginning of this podcast,

703
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, you only have a few people that can relate,

704
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 1: and you only have a few people that can speak

705
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: truth into you, and you know, for me asking out

706
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: of you, and then you know others as well, like

707
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: that becomes a really special bond that I I do

708
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 1: believe could last a lifetime. And that's and that's something incredible.

709
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: There's no doubt there will be friends in the franchise.

710
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 1: You know, if I think about like Kayla and I

711
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: his wedding, and I picture it like the will be

712
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: people from the franchise and our wedding. Uh, you know

713
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: you guys will be there, and like that's what a

714
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: cool thing like life. There's so many detours in life,

715
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: and there's so many new relationships that are had because

716
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: of you know, uh, taking change as an opportunity as

717
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: opposed to like a deterrent, and it's just pretty it's

718
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 1: pretty cool the way at all. And there are some

719
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: relationships that will have for sure. For Alec. Yeah, we

720
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: just did a guest list our wedding and yeah you

721
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: made the cup, but it is you know, it made me.

722
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: Jess and I were just together this week and we

723
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: were talking through the guest list and making it and

724
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't like almost does you know, get get emotional

725
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 1: and like, wow, this crazy thing that I did because

726
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: somebody signed me up or I signed myself up and

727
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: I dated and I got heartbroken and all these stories

728
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: that come from the franchise and then the end of

729
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: it years later, we still stand with people that we

730
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,439
Speaker 1: want to be with us on the day that we

731
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: that is our celebration, the only time that everybody that

732
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: we love will be in one room. Um, it's cool

733
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: to see Jason. Let's pause again here. When we come back,

734
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about your current relationship, your current

735
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: business endeavors, and where these all of these things are going.

736
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: We'll be back with Jason Tartik on the In Depth podcast. So, Jason,

737
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: coming off of Becca's season, those four of you top

738
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: four that got so close, you also were like all

739
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: running to be the Batchel, all in a running to

740
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: be the bachelorette, except for Garrett of course, the bachelor.

741
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: The bachelor to be the patchelor. Um. Was there a

742
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: lot of competition between you guys for that role or

743
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: were you really just supportive of each other. I think

744
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: it was. I think it was friendly competition, but also

745
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 1: sort of like I think we all made a pact

746
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: like whatever happens, we got each other's back and we'll

747
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: be happy for that person. At the same time, like

748
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 1: everyone was angling, right, like everyone was trying. I feel

749
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: like everyone wanted it. Between Blake, Colton and I, we

750
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: all wanted to be the bath and I think we

751
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: all kind of angled in different ways. Um, But the

752
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: interesting thing is like we had a group chat and

753
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: we were talking about like exactly where we stood. So

754
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: I remember one of the first times, like Blake was

755
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 1: flown in early to l a way before Colton and

756
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: I and we're like, oh, it's gonna be Blake. It's

757
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: gonna be Blake. And then you know, they go through

758
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: the whole process where you gotta get your fingerprints and

759
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: your blood, all the due diligence they should do, and

760
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: then you know, I a roommate of mine from college

761
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: I hadn't talked to you in like ten years, called

762
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, I just got a call. They're doing

763
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: like back the actually called those roommates oh oh, and

764
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: the questions were like he was like bad. They were

765
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: getting in the leeds with the questions, like they want

766
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: everything about you. And so then I would do, hey, guys,

767
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: I just got my call, and you know, Colton would

768
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: be like, well, I just you know, I just got

769
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: my call. And so it came out of the wire.

770
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: It was a Sunday night, I think it was right

771
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: before Labor Day weekend. They we got a tax from

772
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: other producers saying hey, we are going to call you

773
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: guys in the next ten minutes. Oh yeah, it's just

774
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: right from the first call, I was like, you know,

775
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: he said, I'm sorry, and I'm like, But the funny

776
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: part about this is I don't remember this. Jason, so

777
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,959
Speaker 1: Blake and Colton were both out in Denver at the time.

778
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: You were, I think in Seattle. Um. I they were

779
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: over at my house the night I think before. It

780
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: was a Saturday night. They came over to the house

781
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: for drinks. I think, Yeah, they knew that they're gonna

782
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: get a call pretty soon. The funny part is once

783
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: each of them left the room, both of them were convinced.

784
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: It was then that it was going to be the bachelor.

785
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: Were you convinced it was gonna be you? And no point?

786
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: I think? I mean, I I really didn't. I was convinced.

787
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Blake. To be honest,

788
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: that that was gonna be Blake. Um. It was interesting

789
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: talking to those guys, like about their interviews and stuff like,

790
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, and Colton even like I remember him telling us,

791
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, I should have thought of that. He

792
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: went in and he was like, listen, Blake and Jason

793
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: are great guys and they're both good friends of mine,

794
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: and you'll get a really good love story, I think

795
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: from both of them, but he sold himself. He's like,

796
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: but if you want a good show, you gotta put

797
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,800
Speaker 1: on a show. You'll go with me. I'm like, damn,

798
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 1: that's a pitch. That's the infamous pitch. And so I

799
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: mean that's how open we were with each other. We

800
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: told each other like everything that was going on, and

801
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,760
Speaker 1: so I genuinely thought it was gonna be Blake. Blake

802
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be me and it was cold. Yeah,

803
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: that's wild. No, I do remember that time. That was

804
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: a That was a fun time to sit and watch

805
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,360
Speaker 1: because I've been through it. But your stories were different

806
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 1: and you're all friends, which is unique. Uh. That experience

807
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: was one that I really remember walking through so well.

808
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: I remember the producers were communicating with us one on one.

809
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: Then they quickly learned that we had a group chat,

810
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: and they're like, Okay, you know, let's just get a

811
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: group before let who will be the next past. I

812
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: gotta go find that chat, Jason. This would be the

813
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: time where I tell you, if you don't want to

814
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: answer this question, you don't have to. But is there

815
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: anything you want to say about what Colton is going

816
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: through right now. Yeah, okay, just how to throw it

817
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: out there so I can tell people it was thrown

818
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: out there. We can keep positioning it like that. Okay,

819
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 1: so you didn't go on Paradise. Did they give you

820
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: a strong enough inkling that you would be in the

821
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: running to become the Bachelor and then therefore you decided

822
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: not to go on Paradise? Yeah, so I did. The

823
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: funny thing about Paradise is I started the contract, I

824
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: got the blood to go past obviously send the contracts,

825
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: was ready to go, and then I talked to my

826
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 1: boss about it, and my boss is like, listen, we

827
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: let you go on the show. Because I went right

828
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: back to the work, like the day you do this one,

829
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: it's not going Like I've talked to the people at

830
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: the top, I'm not gonna work out your time room.

831
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: So that was a big reason why I didn't go.

832
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: The second thing is like, honestly, like when I sat back,

833
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: I was just being real with myself. I talked to

834
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: people that I thought would provide good insight. I was

835
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: going on that show. The reason I signed the concert,

836
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 1: the reason I was gonna go, is because I wanted

837
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: to be on it. Like I'm like, oh, let's get

838
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 1: let's do another TV show, Like that's fine. I knew

839
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: that there was I knew I wasn't in a position

840
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: to find someone I didn't like. Based on what I

841
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: was hearing who was going. I didn't think there would

842
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: be any fits. So at the end of the day,

843
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going. I mean, such a cliche thing.

844
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: Got going for the right reasons, but I was not

845
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: going at all for the right reasons. So it was

846
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: a last minute thing that I said. Guys, I'm sorry

847
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: I lead you on because I said I was going

848
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: to go, and I've signed the contract, but I didn't go.

849
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: And looking back at it, if you asked me, do

850
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: I think if I went it would have helped my

851
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: chances potentially being the Bachelor, I think my answer is

852
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: like easy, I don't think. I don't think me going

853
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: or not going at anything to do with that. I

854
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: think you fall. I think you I don't think I

855
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: think you're with the right person. Now, I want to

856
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: preface this statement with that, I think you're this is

857
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: an awesome relationship. I think Jason, you would have had

858
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: a hard time not falling pretty strongly for somebody in

859
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: Paradise because I feel like that you're I feel like

860
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: that environment is your lane, interesting, super social, very much

861
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: of a of a group environment where people lean on

862
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: each other for insight. I think the women would would

863
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: watch you and be like, wow, Jason is honest, he's truthful,

864
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: He's loved by everybody here, and like, I just like

865
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 1: talking to him, and he's super good looking. Oh I

866
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: think I met my husband. Man. I remember, to be honest,

867
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: I I just mentioned I called the group of people.

868
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: You were one of the five six guys. I called

869
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: because one of the producers suggested, Hey, why don't you

870
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: here's some people in the franchise. I think that could

871
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: give a good perspective. And so you kind of you

872
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: actually out there if you were, like, dude, just go

873
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: like why not you already you already did Batchel Right,

874
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: it didn't work out, you did great, like go give

875
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: it a shot. Um. So I remember thinking about it,

876
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: but you know, kinds, I think it was the right

877
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: decision and get like you said, it all works out

878
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: for the right reason that me not be in the Batchelor,

879
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: were not going on Paradise because I'm with the beauty

880
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: of all beauties, right, So you didn't. You didn't go

881
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: on Paradise because of work. It had nothing to do

882
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: with the fact that they were considering you for Bachelor. Nothing. Again,

883
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: they did me any type of inclination that if I

884
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: go on The Bachelor or a Paradise it would help

885
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 1: me or hurt me. So they didn't give me anything.

886
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: And honestly, looking back on it, I I genuinely believe

887
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: that with the whole like Ta plot, that they knew

888
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: when Colton was going on Paradise that he was going

889
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,919
Speaker 1: to be right. I mean, I think it was all

890
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: set up at that point that we were back ups.

891
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: Now look at back out. All right, Well shall we

892
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 1: discuss the moment that you met Caitlin Burstow. Yes, let's

893
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 1: talking about so she was in when you met. Was

894
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: she single or was she was she single and hadn't

895
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: really come out about their breakup or was she still

896
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: with Sewan? So my understanding, I remember, like because I

897
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: knew I was gonna podcast with her, so like kind

898
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: of yeah podcasting, and everyone was talking about the fact

899
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: that they had broken up but hadn't like anything to

900
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: come out. I had no inclining other than the fact

901
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: that when I walked in the podcast. She was. I

902
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: gave her a big hug right when I first saw her,

903
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and she's like, sorry, it was it was great. I

904
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: remember feeling that anager like that was anyway. She was crying,

905
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 1: um so, and and I could I kind of want

906
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: to stay out of it. Olivia was there, but obviously

907
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: that's really kind of I wouldn't say eavesdropping. With her

908
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: talking in front of me, it could quickly connect the

909
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: dots that have had something to do with her relationship.

910
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: I didn't ask any questions. I didn't look into it

911
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 1: at all, but obviously, you know, if I'm being completely honest,

912
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,919
Speaker 1: you take you take mental notes. Okay, you you've heard

913
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: they're really gonna she's crying, you know, you can kind

914
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: of hear something. So um, I didn't really know, and

915
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 1: I didn't ask. I was like, I'm not that's what

916
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: I don't want to get get into that, you know,

917
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 1: into the weeds there. Then you left the podcast, and

918
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: how do things play out? Walk us through the story? Yeah,

919
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: so leave the podcast and just like you know, I

920
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: walked away like whoa, I was blowing the web bay.

921
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: It's like yeah, like I felt a ton of chemistry

922
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: and I was like our band tour was great, and

923
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: I walked on the corner called one of my best players.

924
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Actually the same guy Hawk who was going to be

925
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 1: on the show was on the show. Yeah, I called

926
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: Hawk and I jog I like Hawk, And then I

927
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: called my mom and I joke Brown like yeah, I

928
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: think I just met my future one and they were

929
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: like yeah, and and so that was kind of like

930
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: being facetious and I just she's awesome and all this stuff.

931
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, we just like, you know, she'd like send

932
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: me some like here's the photos, you know, like if

933
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: you wanted to post about it. And then there was

934
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 1: like a couple like jim jab chirps and like little

935
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: things here. I thought it was flirty. I don't know

936
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: if it's Caitlin flirting or not, but it just was

937
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: like I was getting I could tell I was getting

938
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,880
Speaker 1: like broz oh. I was like I was like a

939
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: little bro like, oh, it's funny. Yeah, And so yeah,

940
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: then I think it went you know, friend zone for

941
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: a while and then a little flirty, and then um

942
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: went on our first date and it was awesome, and

943
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: it's it's been it's been just a hell of a

944
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: ride since then. So let's get this straight. You guys

945
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: are kind of like not really texting, but count of

946
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: texting your friends. You're close enough friends where you're like,

947
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: this is my close girl friend who I'm gonna tell

948
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: that I'm going on a date with this girl to

949
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: see what she thinks. Like you, you have other motives.

950
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out where she stands, but the

951
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: context is not awkward to like, you know, if I

952
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: was the text Caitlin right now, say say for me, like,

953
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, I consider Caitlin a friend, um, like, it

954
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: would be a little weird for me to text Caitlin

955
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: Bay Hey, I got I mean, I guess I'm engaged,

956
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: but like, hey, if I was single, like, hey, I'm

957
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: going on this date, what do you think? Like that

958
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: would throw her off. I think she'd be like, why

959
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: are you asking me? So you're yeah, yeah, yeah, so

960
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 1: I think yeah. It was like until I create a bridge,

961
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: like yeah, there was like just like some friendly banter

962
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: here and there, right, so like we're here and there,

963
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: and then I think it was like that week specifically,

964
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: there was a little bit more banter. Right, It was

965
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: like picking up a little bit and so I was

966
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 1: like just feeling it out so it wasn't like a

967
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,919
Speaker 1: curve ball, wouldn't be the equivalent of you texting kay

968
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: then blue right, like we're taxed a little bit, but

969
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: kind of friend zone obviously like single whatever, and yeah,

970
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: that's just like it. That's that's how it all went down.

971
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,240
Speaker 1: At this point, did you know that she was single

972
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: for sure? Yeah? Well so yeah, so she announced it.

973
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: I think she announced it not too long after a podcast,

974
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: like they had the formal post and someone we have

975
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: to like real check that. Um, but it was like,

976
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: well I think it was late October, early November, and

977
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: so at this time for sure that she was that

978
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: she was single. But but like even even when like

979
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: like there was like a little flirting, like after that point,

980
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: I could still like obviously she you know, she just

981
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: came off this long relationship. Now they broke up. My

982
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: understanding as it was, they were done well before the

983
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: back date like right, um, so yeah that was that.

984
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: Let's uh, I want to dive into this if you

985
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: don't mind in a little bit, um so just you know,

986
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: let us know. But what is it like to walk

987
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: into that scenario now? Obviously now we see Caitlin and Jason,

988
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: like that's who we associate with. But this is a

989
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: public breakup and there's a lot of scrutiny, and there's

990
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: a lot of comments, and there's a lot of opinion,

991
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: and you're stepping in on the back into that to

992
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: a relationship that obviously something that you both want to

993
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: see work. How what how is that for you? Yeah?

994
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. I think, um, probably

995
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: like a little and like I guess, so we're how

996
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: I praise that, I would say, it's just I think

997
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: that's a lot, Like it was a lot, right, Like

998
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about meeting this new person, and for me,

999
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: I'm such a chapter's clothes in a new chapter opens

1000
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: and you put the history behind you and move forward.

1001
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,439
Speaker 1: And so I was so excited about what was to come.

1002
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: But I think I think with that, like you then realize,

1003
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 1: you know, she she just recently, you know, not too

1004
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: long ago, got out of this relationship, and um, you

1005
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: know they were like they were all loved couple, right,

1006
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: that's another top like people love them and um, so

1007
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, no, here comes me and like

1008
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: early on, yeah, last scrutiny, like you know, you know,

1009
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 1: and you see stuff like you know, you fall like

1010
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm falling in love with this girl, and still like

1011
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: through that time of falling in love, you're seeing like

1012
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: people be like, well, you know, giving your comments or

1013
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: don't like trying to compare your relationship first previous relationship

1014
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 1: and previous relationships and like that. You know, it's it's

1015
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: um Sometimes could be like disheartening or challenging, but for me,

1016
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: it was like everything I didn't I didn't worry about it.

1017
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't worry about it. That was the past and

1018
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: it is what it is. And uh, you know, without

1019
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: that past, without these weird aparances in life, like we

1020
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 1: hear and I wouldn't be here, We wouldn't have had

1021
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: the chance to meet, We wouldn't have you know, had

1022
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: a relationship blossom, right, So um, yeah, it's it's The

1023
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: crazy thing is like it seems like you know, we

1024
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: all date and you have you have excess. We all

1025
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 1: have with all the excess. But it also is tough

1026
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: in the bachelor world because when you have accesses from

1027
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: the bachelor world, it's always talked about all of them

1028
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: and you're like, when is the chapter Cloe, Like, how

1029
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: long does it take for chapters? The clue will ever club. Well,

1030
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, so it's I think that's one of the

1031
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: tough things about being in the Bachelor world is that

1032
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: your history and the relationships are always brought right and

1033
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: then on top of it, you're like, Okay, we are

1034
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,160
Speaker 1: in love, things are perfect, and then you get these

1035
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: curveballs where they're like, we're gonna re air your whole

1036
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: season so we can bring up anything back to the surface.

1037
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm something like, you know, chapter closed,

1038
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: let's let's go to the next one. And you know,

1039
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: but it is what it is, like, it's it's the

1040
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: world that we live in, and our relationships in our

1041
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: past on the show especially, are are part of who

1042
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: we are and why we are where we are. But

1043
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: you guys handled that re airing really awesome. Caitlin was

1044
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: on the couch with your mom drinking wine. Like I

1045
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be so traumatic, but like she

1046
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: just made such a joke out of it, which was awesome. Yeah,

1047
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: I didn't know what I even said to kid. I'm like, hey,

1048
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: like maybe it was my mom's six years birthday, so

1049
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: I'm like, do we have to like can we could

1050
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: you watch it before? And now you get the steps

1051
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: of four and then maybe we don't have to like

1052
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: bring it up. I didn't know how like what it

1053
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: would be. Like my mom's like, oh, hell no, we're

1054
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 1: getting the bottle of wine. We're watching, And then my

1055
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: dad and I were just like drinking beers, playing poker downstairs.

1056
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 1: We'd pop up every little bit, you know, if you're

1057
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, oh, there's bet she's making

1058
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: out with your mom. Bachelor super fan has you know

1059
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: her son's girlfriend being like queen of the franchise, Caitlin Bristow.

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00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: That must be so cool for her. Yeah, uh that

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00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: they had a blast. They had a great time with it.

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00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: And then you know, it is what it is, and um, yeah,

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00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: it's just it's part of it's part of who she is,

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00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: and it is what it is. It's all good. It's

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00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: it's a weird world, man, it's a weird world. You're

1066
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: thinking about this the other day, you know, like Becca

1067
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: is Becca Kay is reaching out to be because we're

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00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: trying to with Caitlin. I'm like, here, I am surprising

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00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:30,919
Speaker 1: the girl I currently love with a girl I did love,

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00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: and we're all like friends. It's awesome. It makes no sense.

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00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: It makes no sense. But I don't know, it's just

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00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: like it is what it is, like we're yeah, we're friends.

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Speaker 1: Let's backtrack for a second and go back to your

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00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 1: first date with Caitlin, the first time that you were like, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're not just friends. Uh huh yeah. Oh yeah. So

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00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: our first date, um yeah it was. I was like again,

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00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: like super nervous about it. And I remember the first

1078
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: place we went to, um there was we kept getting

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00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: like we're sitting in a weird place, and we kept

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00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: getting like a lot of like weird looks and stuff.

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Speaker 1: And I remember one person like had their phone out

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00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: and was taking like a video and I just felt

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00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: so uncomfortable. So like the first thirty minutes of our

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00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: date did not go well and it didn't go up

1085
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: because I was just like, hey, I'm here, like this

1086
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: isn't It was at a place. It was in Denver.

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00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: It was at a Mexican restaurant, like a modern Mexican

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00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: restaurant in Denver. Um And I'm sure you would know

1089
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 1: of it if I remember the name, because we were

1090
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: with Brandy and yes, that's it, that's it. Boom nailed it.

1091
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: And so we left there. When we left there, we

1092
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,959
Speaker 1: went to like a super chill. Um, Eric loves this place.

1093
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 1: Then it's like a whiskey bar. It's got like wood everywhere,

1094
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: super chill will okay, And there we got to have

1095
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: a really good kid station. And then we went to

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00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: holl at the Moon and we were dancing and singing

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00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: and we just had the best time. And so I

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00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: was supposed to leave early Sunday to get back to

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Speaker 1: Seattle for work, and I actually didn't because um, I

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00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 1: actually didn't because um we stayed for the Denver Nuggets game.

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Speaker 1: So I we extended our date and it was it

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00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: was awesome. I think we saw each other like the

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00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: next weekend and next weekend after that, and the momentum

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00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: built and it was it was great. It was awesome.

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00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: And now you live together, fast fast forward and now

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00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: you've been in Nashville together for about a year. Um,

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00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: obviously you're in l A at this point with Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: How you know, how has this chapter been for you?

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00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: Living together with your dogs who are equally as popular

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00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 1: as you and Caitlin and equally as beautiful. How how

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00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: is the chapter of living together been? The living together

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00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: chapter has been awesome. It's been everything I can imagine

1113
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: we've I think we've our relationship is grown to such

1114
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: a next level and the dogs are awesome. We just

1115
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: have this amazing little family and it's it's just such

1116
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: a blessing. Like I love my life, I love her,

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00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: I love these dogs. I love everything about it. And

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Speaker 1: I think if you talk about the lesson, I think

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00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 1: like in quarantine, there's definitely like some lessons we have, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that's like a crash course, and just because

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: we're traveling so much, like even living together like such

1122
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 1: a great adjustment growing as a couple, but then you're

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Speaker 1: with each other. It's twenty four seven, and I think

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Speaker 1: like it was like a it was like a roller

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Speaker 1: coach that started down. Like the first few weeks it

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00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 1: was like it was I think it was tough for

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00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: for us in quarantine, but we what was nice is

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Speaker 1: like accelerated life. It was like the conversations we had

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: in that first three weeks of quarantine, we're probably conversations

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Speaker 1: would have had over like four months, I guess if

1131
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: you will, just because of of like you know, you're

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00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: with each other and everything. And after like the first

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00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: few weeks which was kind of tough, our relationship grew

1134
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: in like such an amazing, amazing level, and so it's been, uh,

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00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: it's just been so cool. And this new chapter in

1136
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: l A has been awesome too. Very different. So it's obviously,

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00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, completely like it's just very different in the

1138
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: fact that we have two fifty pound dogs who are

1139
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: young and crazy in this like, oh like eight hundred

1140
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 1: square foot place in a high rise. One of our

1141
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: dogs has figured it out, the other one's not botty

1142
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 1: trains and being all over the place. And uh. And

1143
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: the one thing I'll say about Dancing with the Stars,

1144
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: great show. It's awesome. I never realized the work that

1145
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: these people, and it is physically just exhost. I mean,

1146
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: I see her feet, she has she has blisters everywhere

1147
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 1: she has. Her feet are so swollen, and she's wearing

1148
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: eyes bigger than she normally wears. Like so when she

1149
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: gets home, it's like icing and you know, let's get

1150
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, get the legs elevated and compressed and all

1151
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: the stuff you're supposed to do. I mean, it's a

1152
00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: it's a physical and mental like really enduring show. It's tough, tough,

1153
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: but she's doing she's doing so great. You've always been

1154
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: her best cheerleader. I love how supportive you are and

1155
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: how vocal you are about her and your love for her.

1156
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: And she calls this chapter, um, the dancing with this

1157
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: chart Stars chapter, her last hurrah before she wants to

1158
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: have kids. I'm assuming that you guys have to, you know,

1159
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: talked about this, perhaps those first couple of weeks of quarantine.

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Speaker 1: Are you involved in this at all? We're wondering, I'm

1161
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: involved in this. We're on the same page, on the

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01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: same page, Um, we want two kids and quarantine. We

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01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: actually have funny we have one of our kids name's

1164
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: Big Toler. That's normal, Like, uh so, yeah, we're on

1165
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: the same beautiful so that an't coming like that stament

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01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: doesn't come as a shock to you because I think

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01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: for us, as we read it and we talk about it,

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01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: it's not shocking. It's like it's actually really really like

1169
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: we talked on the podcast, like, it's really sweet. Right,

1170
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: This is Caitlin, Caitlin doing what she loves to do,

1171
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 1: doing what she does well, with her teammate by her side,

1172
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: and you this feels like the perfect last hurrah. But

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: it is still shocking because she's been up to so

1174
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: much and she's been in the in the front of

1175
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: the spotlight for so long? Are you both? How do

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: you both feel about this next chapter? Knowing that this

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Speaker 1: for her at least, is it's kind of her goodbye

1178
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 1: to the grind. Yeah, I mean I think that Caitlin.

1179
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Speaker 1: Caitlin says that, but she's so she's such a motivated person,

1180
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, like she she just gets up and every

1181
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: day just kicks ass, and so regardless of what it

1182
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: is she's doing, she's gonna do it a thousand percent

1183
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: at just a level that's just so strong, right, So

1184
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: not worrying this completely. Well, but my point is that

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01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: if that next chapter is what it will be us

1186
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: having kids, like, she's just gonna be the most badass

1187
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 1: mother ever. Knowing her, she's just so committed to everything

1188
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: she does and passionate, and like knowing her, she'll probably

1189
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: like who knows, like the sky's a limb with her,

1190
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: everything she manifest comes to fruition, which is insane. She'll

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01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: probably like create some crazy like baby toy that people

1192
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: haven't thought about it. It'll like blow up to be

1193
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: the next bit who goes. But she just she could

1194
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: say it's her last rob She'll she'll never She's just

1195
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: her mind and energy just keeps going. So whatever that

1196
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: next chapter is, sh likes everything, She'll crush it. So

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Well, you have a chapter that I want

1198
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: to lean into a bit here, because yes, your relationship

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01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 1: is amazing and it's it's in the spotlight and it's

1200
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: something that's been fun to watch. But you've been fun

1201
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: to watch. I am a follower of Restart. I follow

1202
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: the Instagram. I watched the videos. Um, you know you

1203
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: did go from being an investment banking to switching careers.

1204
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: Now pretty out there listening tell them what I mean.

1205
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: You can pitch it better than I can. What are

1206
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: you up to? And where do you hope this goes? Yeah,

1207
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,920
Speaker 1: So with Restart, right, you look at every all the

1208
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,880
Speaker 1: metrics going on in the country right, one point six

1209
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: trillion dollars student debt. Forty five million Americans are buried

1210
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: with student debt. The r O I I'm I'm going

1211
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: to college right now as a mass is negative. Consumer

1212
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: and credit card debt has ever been so high. Unemployment

1213
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: obviously because of the pandemic eight At one point twenty

1214
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 1: million Americans were unemployed. Now even if you scratch that

1215
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: and you do a survey of Americans and their job satisfaction.

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01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: It's at the lowest levels it's ever been. So the

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01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 1: most important things in our life right the way we

1218
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,479
Speaker 1: manage our finance, our personal lives, and professional lives. There's

1219
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: a lot of distress and whatever. What I call is

1220
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: this blueprint to society that has been instilled on us

1221
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: by previous generations, which in my opinion, is really just

1222
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 1: sparked from large corporations putting a molden place for us

1223
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: to adhere to because it benefit it's they're great or good.

1224
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: It doesn't work right. We have found that obviously there's

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01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: areas of it works, but this blueprint is not successful

1226
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: for most people. And so the idea with restart is

1227
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: whether it's financially, personally or professionally, looking to restart, what

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01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: you're doing, how you're doing it, the approach to doing it.

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Speaker 1: Um that's a place that we have created this Instagram page,

1230
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: and the idea behind it is we're doing a few things.

1231
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 1: We have a weekly newsletter that comes out every Monday,

1232
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 1: and so that is called you need to know there's

1233
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: so much bias in media these days that this is

1234
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 1: just unbiased. All the high level things for people that

1235
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: don't get into the weeds and news, but they should

1236
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: know going into the week. So we have a weekly newsletter.

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01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: We have interviews with prominent individuals who have achieved a

1238
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: ton of success. But people like Dana White, Barbara Corker,

1239
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: and Damon john Ryan Sir and Chef m Barrel, Shawan Johnson,

1240
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: Bela Twins. We've had a great group of people. I'm

1241
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: not focused on where they are now. I'm focused on

1242
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: how they got there and the lessons that you can

1243
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: learn at the change changes that these people experience within

1244
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 1: like they're eighteen, they're eighteen to like thirty year old

1245
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: time frame, and the way that they pivoted and use

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01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 1: changes an opportunity to achieve where they are today. It's incredible,

1247
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: and so let's learn from these people. So we're doing

1248
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: these restart Real talks. And then I just signed a

1249
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: book deal with Harper Collins. One book is gonna be

1250
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: all about restarting from hiring the firing your career. The

1251
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: other one's all about personal finance. So I'm writing that

1252
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 1: and we just have a lot of exciting stuff and

1253
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: it's all the lessons that every individual needs to know.

1254
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 1: That's just not taught in a textbook. It's not taught

1255
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 1: in the classroom. How long has this been going on?

1256
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:37,040
Speaker 1: So I literally started this in March. So what what

1257
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 1: what Spark did is right pandemic. It's an absolute disaster.

1258
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 1: This SMP five d and the Dow Jones's watching the

1259
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: market every day is plumbering. It's on the headline of everything.

1260
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: And so I just put a poll out there to people.

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01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: I said, be honest with me, like if I asked

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01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: you to describe the SMP five hundred Dow Jones and

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01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: three sentences, could you do it? And I think I

1264
01:05:57,680 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: forgot the statistic, but around two people answered it and

1265
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: it was of the people said they couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, we gotta bridge this gap here.

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01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,000
Speaker 1: And then what I started learning as I'm getting all

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: these messages, how do I ask for a raise if

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01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 1: I want to leave my job? Is my resume in

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01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: the right shape? What does my LinkedIn profile look like?

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01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:17,320
Speaker 1: You know? All cost of living adjustments, all these things

1272
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: started like coming in NonStop, and I'm like, we got

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01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: to create something. And so I built a team and

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01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: we've created Restart and it's been uh, it's been awesome. Yeah,

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01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of we're we're about to create

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01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 1: a launch of membership right now, which is exciting. And

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01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: then also and in the midst of talking about a

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01:06:33,560 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 1: potential podcast here. So it's, um, it's been great, it's

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01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:38,880
Speaker 1: been great. It's an impactful which is which is really cool.

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01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,840
Speaker 1: And the other thing then I'll stop because I get

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01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: excited about it as you can tell that it's within

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01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 1: the realm of like what I've what I know, you

1283
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 1: know I've done. I've been in finance since my grandfather

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: taught me to invest when I was, you know, in

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01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: my teens, and so it's it's the Bachelor gave me

1286
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 1: this cool platform, but I'm still using my NBA and

1287
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 1: my work experience to try and do things within my

1288
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 1: realm that's just very to me, seems impactful. So it's

1289
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: been it's been really rewarding. So you're definitely not sitting

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01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: around the house board Paul Caitlin is at rehearsal, You're

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01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: doing all this, Yeah, so restarts one of them. I

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01:07:13,640 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 1: invest in businesses, like there's a company that I've invested

1293
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: in called Evoke and we have musically and we're er stores.

1294
01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: So I do a lot of investing in businesses on

1295
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: the private side, um that you might not see on Instagram.

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01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 1: I do some real estate investing in lending. Um. The

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01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: Restart thing is on Instagram. I live with every day

1298
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 1: through that, so those are things you see. But yeah,

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01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 1: I've I love any in all areas of business and

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01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 1: try to get involved in many capacities that I can.

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01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 1: I also love the way that restart and everything that

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01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: you talk about finance wise on your social media is

1303
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: is able to be digested by somebody who it does

1304
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: not have any sort of expertise in the field, Like

1305
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about, but normally I wouldn't

1306
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: know what my accountant was talking about exactly. And I

1307
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: think a lot of people just in today's world, they

1308
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 1: try and use like their education or skill set is

1309
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: a means of like almost like condescending behavior or a

1310
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,960
Speaker 1: way to lever up. And for me, it's like what

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01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: bit is that. Let's just break this down in the

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01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:14,960
Speaker 1: way that's digestible. People have their expertise in so many

1313
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 1: different areas, and if it's not finance or career navigation,

1314
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: which are two critical things in everyone's life, let's break

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01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: it down to understand it, right, So simple things like

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01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: SMP let's just simple five D big companies, right, they

1317
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 1: give us an idea of what the whole market looks like.

1318
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 1: So let's break down. It's kind of like when you

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01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: go to the doctor and they or the hospital and

1320
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:37,640
Speaker 1: they take your finals. They got to know a baseline

1321
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 1: of what's going on, so they'll get your blood pressure right,

1322
01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 1: your temperature, stuff like that. That's what SMP five is.

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01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: It just gives us a baseline of what's happening overall

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01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 1: in the market. And when you break it down to

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01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: things that are understandable, people are like, Oh, that's not

1326
01:08:49,960 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: that hard. I get it. It's not rocket science. You're

1327
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: made for this, man, You're made for this. You're this Uh,

1328
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:59,799
Speaker 1: this feels like something that you you're passionate about obviously,

1329
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: but then it fits right. It's it's fun to see

1330
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 1: the Bachelor at to all of the things that have

1331
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,400
Speaker 1: happened in between their lead up to this moment where

1332
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: you have a platform you can talk about something you

1333
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 1: care about and share it with the world and break

1334
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: it down. So it's helpful to the world as well,

1335
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,320
Speaker 1: and you're not just showing off because you know more

1336
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 1: and that was a tip I remember, Ben, you gave me.

1337
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: Right when I got off the show, I talked to you.

1338
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: One of the things you said is let this platform,

1339
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: let this experience, not change who you are, not change

1340
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: your life, but let it. I think the word was

1341
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: you said, enhance your life and let it enhance you

1342
01:09:32,200 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I think that to me, that's

1343
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: exactly right. I'm not running off to go strive be

1344
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,160
Speaker 1: an actor. I'm just doing letting this experience try to

1345
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: enhance UM in my life and what I'm trying to do.

1346
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,320
Speaker 1: So where can people follow you at when it comes

1347
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: to restart, Like what are ways that the listeners can

1348
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 1: get involved? And and where the newsletter? You sign up

1349
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,879
Speaker 1: through Instagram? Yes, so if you go to restart Underscore reset,

1350
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 1: that's our Instagram. Then we also have YouTube restart with

1351
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: Jay and Tarctic, and there you can sign up for

1352
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: the newsletter UM. Just put first name, last name email

1353
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: and it comes every Monday morning. And then via the

1354
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 1: newsletter when we have affiliations and the membership and some

1355
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: of our cool announcements that are coming up, they'll all

1356
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: be through that appenue. So I have one request, Yes,

1357
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,960
Speaker 1: let's hear can you do a video on options trade? Absolutely,

1358
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 1: we can. Please, thank you. I appreciate that. I'm I'm

1359
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to to to trade some

1360
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:30,599
Speaker 1: options and I could use Jason as my teacher. Let's

1361
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: do it, all right, buddy, you're the man. Hey, uh, Jason,

1362
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. We're gonna take one last

1363
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: break and when we come back with you, we're gonna

1364
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,559
Speaker 1: let Ashley shine in her like this is where Ashley's

1365
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: passion comes out. She's so good at this. We'll be

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01:10:47,560 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: back with Jason Tartich on the In Depth podcast. It's

1367
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:06,719
Speaker 1: time for rapid Fire with me and Jason. Jason. Jason, Jason,

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01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: what is your favorite? Spades and Sparrows wine the pen

1369
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: you are? It just came out. It's incredible, unbelievable for

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01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: those of you guys who don't know. Space and Sparrows

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:22,240
Speaker 1: is Caitlin's Wineline. What is a musical that you would

1372
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: want to have a role in most Cambleton every day

1373
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: of the week? And I want because we know you've

1374
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,679
Speaker 1: been singing it on your Instagram. But you like musicals

1375
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 1: in general, right? Your brothers really into them? Yeah? So

1376
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: he he's part owner of a marketing company and they

1377
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: do all the advertising for the big shows. And so yeah,

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01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: it's been it's been fun to go see. But they're

1379
01:11:46,320 --> 01:11:49,080
Speaker 1: they're hurting right now Broadway in New York. They're hurting

1380
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: in a big way. So hopefully they rebounded and make

1381
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: a big comeback. Yeah, the dancer on Dancing with the Stars,

1382
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: you'd be most threatened by if they were partnered with

1383
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 1: katend such a good question, I mean, and all honestly,

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01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be real, it's gotta be Glenn. I mean,

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01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 1: Glenn is an absolute stud. I've gotten messages like watch

1386
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: out for Glenbie looks like you. I mean, I'm not saying,

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying people have said. And then the other

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: thing is I met him. I had dinner with him

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01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: the other night. And he's got a great personality, super

1390
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: super nice, charismatic, funny guys, very threatening Kio. That guy

1391
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: can move. He's got this unbelievable accent. Beauty of a man.

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01:12:34,600 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 1: Those are those are two studs right there. What is

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Speaker 1: your favorite part about Upstate New York? The people? Yeah,

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01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: it's not you know that, it's uh, it's the most thriving,

1395
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: you know, area in the world. But the people are

1396
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,559
Speaker 1: just so great. There's no no substitute to good neighbors.

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01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: And Upstate New York's got him. What's your favorite food?

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01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 1: Favorite food? It's it's super boring answer. But being from Buffalo,

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with chicken wings, so every city I go

1400
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: to them always. For some reason, people can't cook chicken wings.

1401
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: I don't care why, but I'll always like if I

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01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 1: go to a different city, I gotta try their chicken wings.

1403
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,400
Speaker 1: So are you a ranch or a blue cheese different?

1404
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: The easiest question ever. It's blue cheese every day at

1405
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 1: a week for wings. You want to put ranch on

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01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 1: the other stuff I get, like, maybe your pizza, that's fine,

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01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: but it's blue cheese. It's it's he's a traditionalist. Your

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01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:31,800
Speaker 1: favorite Bills Mafia story you've experienced, like the favorite your

1409
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: fair Bills Mafia moment. Here's my favorite Bills story and

1410
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: it relates to a guy from the Bachelor. So I

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: get Dean to we get Monday night tickets when they're

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 1: playing the Patriots Bills versus Patriots, and we get access

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01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:49,879
Speaker 1: to the owner's suite. Right, So it's Monday night football

1414
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 1: and we get access to the owner of the Buffalo Bills,

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01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,320
Speaker 1: like this is the dream come true. Well, I'm white

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01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:58,400
Speaker 1: Dean and I'm like Blake, but I tell them, like, guys,

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01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,280
Speaker 1: it's like it's all business. And there they owned the team,

1418
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 1: like this is this is work. So you're gonna get

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01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: drunk and have fun. Go get drunk and have fun.

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: But you tighten it up once we get in there. Well,

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01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 1: they got drunk and they had fun. And I'll never

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 1: forget this image of like Dean and Blake jumping into

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: the crowd of like a hundred people screaming he like

1424
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,800
Speaker 1: drinking beer like fully in it. So then we get

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01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,439
Speaker 1: out of there, we go, We're on our way. A

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01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: boy's tightening. My parents were with us too, were like,

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01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: let's go get it together. Well, we walk it, and

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01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: I explained to him, like this is the owner, you know,

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,360
Speaker 1: say thank you guy walking And the first thing Dean

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01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: does he goes right up to the owner of the

1431
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills and she's wearing a blue and blue kind

1432
01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 1: of like this, a little lighter sweater that's one of

1433
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: the bill's colors. And he says, oh, it's so nice

1434
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 1: to see you. I love I love your l a

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01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 1: Dodgers blue color. Sweater you had on for the bills,

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: like like, who is this guy? Oh? And then you

1437
01:14:58,040 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: know what happened. Somehow Edvan got it. Kevin from the batch.

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01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: I mean this is like batch for Evan here, he

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01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: got it. He's a huge Patriots fan. Spirit of Patriots Jersey.

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01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 1: You don't go into an owner's suite with the other team.

1441
01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: You don't write, you know, the Coca Cola headquarters rocking.

1442
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: It's a no note. And so at that point, like

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01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: she did, she's so sweet the owner. She wouldn't ever

1444
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: make a big deal about it. One of the security

1445
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: peoples like what are you doing? Everyone got kicked out

1446
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:28,839
Speaker 1: and that was that Ellie Dodgers Blue and the freaking

1447
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 1: Patriots Jersey. So she did not think that Patriots at

1448
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 1: the Powder Blue was a funny little chirp. Yeah, that's no.

1449
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: It's one time time. The only person who doesn't give

1450
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: into Dean's baby blues and that smile, right, that's true.

1451
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:50,080
Speaker 1: I mean Dean is very charismatic, charming man, but he

1452
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 1: pulled this one off. Don't bring Dean to any nice party.

1453
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,600
Speaker 1: I once went to a party with Dean with the

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01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,920
Speaker 1: owner of My Heart, and it was like the real

1455
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,040
Speaker 1: viby setting. They had the lights off and it was

1456
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: like kind of like candlelit. It was really nice party.

1457
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: Dean walked in and turned on all the lights the

1458
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: whole party, like literally flip the flip the light switches

1459
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: on everybody. I mean there's probably a hundred people in there, Like,

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,400
Speaker 1: just don't do it. Not a good idea that being

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 1: the best, like such a fun, great guy, but maybe

1462
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 1: just pick and choose the parties. Great freaking guy though.

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01:16:21,479 --> 01:16:26,760
Speaker 1: Love Two more questions. What's the money question you get

1464
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 1: asked most often on Instagram. Number one question is where

1465
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 1: should I invest my money? The number one answer to

1466
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: that is, let's first talk about your debt. The amount

1467
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,080
Speaker 1: of people that I see you are so worried about

1468
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 1: trying to find the next investment. You look at their

1469
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: debt profile, whether it's suiting debt, credit card debt, mortgage debt,

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01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 1: and usually what I've seen so far is there's a

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Speaker 1: monster amount of debt. And the idea here is first

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Speaker 1: paid down your debt, especially credit card debt where people

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Speaker 1: are getting charged, it's unlikely you'll make an investment. If

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Speaker 1: you do, good for you, that's a great investment. So

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Speaker 1: pay down your expensive debt first, then start worrying about investing.

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Speaker 1: People are contrarily believed let's invest first, even then when

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Speaker 1: they're strapped and buried with that fantastic answer, What is

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Speaker 1: one thing about Caitlin that over the past year living

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Speaker 1: with her, you've been like, you do this and I

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Speaker 1: just don't get it, Like I don't understand why or

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Speaker 1: when you do this. Um, let's see. Though she has

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Speaker 1: this weird thing about chewing. It's like, it's so I

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Speaker 1: have that too, Like I just yeah, when somebody when

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Speaker 1: Jared's chewing next to me, I'm like, hook, you're still

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Speaker 1: attracted to him. You're like, you just have to remember

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Speaker 1: that that's the person you love. Literally che and she'll

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Speaker 1: give me this look. I'm like, my mouth is closed.

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Speaker 1: I'm freaking eating. I'm a human. We have to eat.

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Speaker 1: And so like I couldn't get over for sensitivity to

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Speaker 1: like misoponia, and I'm like, oh my god, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's good. That's one, all right, I get I get it. Jason,

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Speaker 1: You're out of the hot seat. Rapid fires over. This

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Speaker 1: is the end of the podcast and we like to

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Speaker 1: throw it to our guests and so here for the

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Speaker 1: next minute thirty seconds, three minutes, whatever you need. We

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Speaker 1: have listeners out there who are going to be super

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Speaker 1: engaged to your story. UM, and fans of you personally.

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Speaker 1: What do you want to say to them? This is

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Speaker 1: your time, your platform, your moment to say whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to close this thing out. Um. Wow, there's so

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Speaker 1: many directions I can go here, So what else say is?

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Speaker 1: And I think just in general and in life like,

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Speaker 1: there are so many things out there that can that

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Speaker 1: can trigger insecurities or make people have doubt, And there

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Speaker 1: are so many people that are fearful when someone succeeds,

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Speaker 1: And there's so many people that are gonna tell you

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Speaker 1: your ideas don't make sense, it won't work out. That's

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Speaker 1: a chance you're going to regret. Most people don't want

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Speaker 1: to see others succeed. And what I would challenge anyone

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Speaker 1: out there is to live the life that you always

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Speaker 1: imagine instead of living the life that others are leading

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Speaker 1: for you. A good friend of mine is a motivational speaker,

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Speaker 1: Ben Empton, and he did a case study and it

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Speaker 1: was through it was through a prestigious college, and seventy

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Speaker 1: six percent of people on their deathbed, I think is

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Speaker 1: another seventy six regret not what they did over their life,

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Speaker 1: but what they didn't do. So I think spread happiness,

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Speaker 1: be kind to others, and don't worry about people judging you.

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Speaker 1: Be yourself, go live the dream you imagine, and if

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Speaker 1: you feel like you're leading a life, it's time to

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Speaker 1: make a change. And change is not a bad thing.

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Speaker 1: Change is a good thing. Without change, we wouldn't progress

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Speaker 1: the way we've progressed. We've come a long way, we

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Speaker 1: have a long way to go. But all I would

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Speaker 1: say is like, break the traditional blueprint of thinking and

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Speaker 1: just lead. Lead the life you always imagine. You literally

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Speaker 1: get one, and it's so precious. That's what Jason Tartick,

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Speaker 1: You're the man. Thanks for coming on. It's been a

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Speaker 1: it's been a blast. It's good to get to talk

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Speaker 1: to you again. Your story is awesome. Keep up the

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Speaker 1: good work once again. Follow Jason on Instagram and make

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Speaker 1: sure you go follow Restart on Instagram and YouTube. Now, Jason,

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Speaker 1: this is the hardest part of the podcast for you.

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Speaker 1: Follow Ashley and Eyes lead. This has been Jason Tartik

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Speaker 1: on the In Depth podcast. I've been been, I've been Ashley,

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Speaker 1: I've been Jason. Oh, he did it. It's because he's

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Speaker 1: been on the podcast so many times. Smart guy, We'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Guys. Follow the Benn and Ashley

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Speaker 1: I Almost Famous podcast on iHeart Radio, or subscribe wherever

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Speaker 1: you listen to podcasts.