1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: Oh hey, everybody, Episode twelve of the THHC Quarantine Cast, 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: the Daily version coming right at you. We're winding down 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: towards the end of our our daily journey and back 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: towards our normal, regular scheduled program. But we still got 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: a long the way to go, still got a lot 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: of fun to have. We're joined by the long lost 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: Joe Ferronado. Jamie. What's going on, Joe? We haven't talked 8 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: to you in like twelve episodes. What's up? Oh, not 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: too much man, Just at home, trying to stay healthy, 10 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: washing my hands vigorously every ten minutes. Yeah, I was learning. 11 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: I was watching a doctor show how to wash their 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: hands yesterday and they said to sing the Happy Birthday 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: song twice. Um, that's fine. I'm all good with that, 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: but it's not something I've done in the past. So 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: I gotta I I'm I will admit to being behind 16 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: the curve. So I encourage all of you to make 17 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: sure that you're doing it for long enough. And as 18 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: I learned, get the back of your hands, get the middle, 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: get the middle of your fingers, getting the creases, get 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: the back of your hands. Make sure you do all that. 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: I learned that j yesterday. I've been washing my hands 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 1: a lot, but I didn't really know that. So there's 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: an aside for you. But welcome Joe. It's a very 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:11,400 Speaker 1: important podcast. Hello there, Philip, Hello, good afternoon, Thank you. 25 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: We are joined today in the podcast Coming Up by 26 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 1: the Great Clay Nwcomb at Arkansas. He's got a new 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: film out when first light dot com. You can go 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: to first light dot com slash pages Slashing Newcombe and 29 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: watch their film tomorrow April one, Uh, not a not 30 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: April fool's prank. It's a real video. You can go 31 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: there and watch it tomorrow, and you can also get 32 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: off his bear kit, our boy Clay Newcomb's Bear Kit 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: for men and women. So that's something you can get 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: exclusively at first light dot com, both the film and 35 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: the discount. So go there tomorrow and you will enjoy 36 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: both of those things. And I think you really like 37 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: our conversation with Clay coming up about a lot of 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: things about breaking mules, about bears, trying to jump in 39 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: the blind with you, about Ray and kids um and 40 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: his philosophies about the quarantine, so all that coming up. 41 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, Joe, we have the 42 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: great hand Turkey contest of coming to a close. Have 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: you been following along over there in your confines? Oh, yeah, 44 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. Have you seen any of the entries 45 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: that we've shared or heard about what they look like? 46 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: At this point, I have. I have seen several of them. 47 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: There's many are interesting, they're they're interesting as always in majestic, delicious, 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 1: pretty much any adjective that you can throw out there, 49 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: but we have. I've selected. I'm but Phil knows this. 50 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: I'm really bad with selecting a final three or five. 51 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: So at this point I've selected what looks to be 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 1: a final eight. That's because really the best I can do. 53 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: There were so many good entries, and I I feel 54 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: so obligated for all of your good works out there 55 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: that it's hard for me just to narrow these down, 56 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: and so I need Joe and Phil to help me. 57 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: Um So, Phil, you've seen all these what's you're feeling 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: now you've seen the final eight entries? You know, once again, 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: it's it's hard. It's very hard to select the best 60 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: because at this point it's just subjective, you know, it's 61 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: it's the personal preferences of Ben, Phil and Joe. Uh So, 62 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: you you've if you've made the top eight. You should 63 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: feel proud. That's right. We will definitely call you up 64 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: by name here in a moment. But just to remind everyone, 65 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: the idea here was to take your hand, trace it 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: on a piece of paper and then create some work 67 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: of art from that hand. Turkey drawlling. And many, many 68 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: of you, hundreds of you did that, and the winner 69 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: will get I am going to figure this out. I 70 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: have no way of knowing if I can actually do it, 71 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: but I will make it happen. I'm gonna take this 72 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: photo you're drawing, and I'm gonna get it screen printed 73 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: as big as possible on the back of a first 74 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: Light jacket, and you'll be able to wear that thing 75 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: with pride to wherever whenever we're released from Corn team. 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: You'll be able to wear it in the airport, you 77 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: wear at the church, you were too, family functions, you 78 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: wear it to uh your kids soccer game, you were 79 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: it to the disco to people go to the disco still, Phil, 80 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: I think in Berlin, Yeah, so they go to the disco. 81 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: If you're in Germany. UM, any any of those types 82 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,720 Speaker 1: of things, if you're gonna do any of those things, 83 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: would be great to have a big First Light jacket 84 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: with a giant picture of a hand turkey on the back. 85 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: And so we're gonna make that happen for you, thanks 86 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: to our friends at first Light. Um. But now we 87 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: just need to we just need to go through each 88 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: one and we need to describe them quickly, say who 89 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: who was the artist or artists and then move on 90 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: to the selection process. Joe, are you ready for this? 91 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: I am so ready for this, Phil, Phil, get excited 92 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: to it. Yes, I'm I'm I'm I'm freaking stoked right now. Ben. Yeah. See, 93 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: I was telling Phil prior to recording that I felt 94 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: like most people I talked today were just a little 95 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: bit it's a little bit down, a little bit just 96 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: the energy wasn't there. So we're gonna bring you the 97 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: energy here. I'm I am chugging a red bull. I 98 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: just had six double stuffed oreos and milk. Um. I 99 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: am destroying my body for you out there, TC Lister. 100 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: So here we go. Drum roll please, Phil, there will 101 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: be no drum roll. Okay, thank you, good job. Okay, 102 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: First we have Nick Larson. Now you guys, could you 103 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: guys pull up Nick Larson's image. It's I am gee 104 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: zero zero four two because I didn't I didn't really 105 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: rename any of the files. And uh, Phil, I'm gonna 106 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: give you a chance. I'm not sure it seems that 107 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: you're in it. Go ahead and give us the description 108 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: of Nick Larson's entry here, please, Okay, Well, there are 109 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: a is that there is featured in the foreground is 110 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: a very well drawn hand turkey. Um it's uh, you know, 111 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just it's strutton. It's doing its thing. Um. 112 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: But I think the thing that makes it unique is 113 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: that in the background, behind a bush and some decoys, 114 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: I am poking my head out, Um, very bunny, very 115 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: bugs bunny. Like that's right. I've wearing headphones and I've 116 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: got a twig stuck in my hat, and I've also 117 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: got like a toy shotgun with with two corks coming 118 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: out the end. You know. Just I think I'm I'm 119 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: waiting for my chance, and uh uh you know this, 120 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 1: this one's kind of uncanny because in the previous contest, 121 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 1: you people were supposed to only draw me what they 122 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: thought I looked like based on my voice. Um, but 123 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: this one it just looks like me, it really does. 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: That's that's a lot of fun. I'm impressed. This one 125 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: makes me feel something. Um, I feel like as a 126 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: casual observer, this is exactly how it's gonna go down 127 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: when you finally get to hunt turkeys. So I feel 128 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: really good about this one. I feel thank you Nick Larson. 129 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: Uh it and it it is professionally done. I mean, 130 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: it's a it's a great illustration. You'll see it. I'll 131 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: post it on my Instagram stories Benny of B three 132 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: or one of my Instagram stories, so you'll see it there. Um. 133 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: So that's a good one. Joe. Do you have any 134 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: commentary there? You know, not not too much. I just 135 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: I really appreciate Phil having a toy gun. Um. It 136 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: really brings out the best and Phil and I kind 137 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: of wish we had that drawing for the Phils. This 138 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: might have won the Phil's Voice face contest. It's so 139 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: so wonderful. All right, moving on, maybe my favorite, uh, 140 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's hard to say. This one's the 141 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: title Jive Turkey from Brennan Cole. He shared it with 142 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: me in multiple places. You guys looking at this one, 143 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: it is is it is fanta. It's me. I'm not 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: looking like I'm not in too great a shape. I 145 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 1: have a kind of a gut working, and my pants 146 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: are just a little bit saggy. My beard looks disheveled. 147 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: My eyes are popping out of my head with kind 148 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: of what I would seem to be very red eyes. 149 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: It's a black and white illustration. I'm in my turkey suit. Uh, 150 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: the thumb is my head, the fingers are the feathers 151 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: behind me. I am clearly drunk on white claw. I'm 152 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: throwing away an empty can while also holding another open can, 153 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: and then I'm screaming I'm the man, while Stephen Ronella 154 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 1: in the background is hiding behind a tree and he's 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: glassing me from afar um man. This is pretty fantastic, 156 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: And I would love to see this on the back 157 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: of a jacket. I gotta tell you, yeah, I mean, 158 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,560 Speaker 1: that's that's. This is why I'm kind of even though 159 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: I just I'm very flattered by Nick Larson's drying, I 160 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: would feel guilty giving him a screen printed jacket with 161 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: my face on it. But this, on the other hand, 162 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: I think, is this would this will look good on 163 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: the back of anything. Yeah, this is fantastic. Yeah, it's 164 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: it's just it makes you laugh. Here in time you 165 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: look at it. Uh. Moving on to the next one, 166 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: David Burgess, we already talked about this and before, so 167 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: if you go back to podcast past, I don't remember 168 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: the number we talked about this last week. But it's 169 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: a beautiful It's like a painting. And again my head 170 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: is the thumb. It's I'm looking very inquisitive and it's 171 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: just a really good looking, um, good looking turkey. Now 172 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: I remember the honest but tell Us pointed out that 173 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: the spurs are upside down on the turkey um, which 174 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: which is going to mean something. But it's really just 175 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: well done. And I look my I look pretty handsome 176 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: as a turkey in this one. So this last one 177 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: I kind of looked slobbish and drunk, just out of sorts. 178 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: This one I kind of looked like a chant. Well 179 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: which one was? It is more accurate though the first one. No, 180 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: I definitely don't like you want to see me right now. 181 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: It's not great. It's really My wife just came in 182 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,319 Speaker 1: my little uh nursery studio here and said, what's that smell? 183 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: It smells like farts and camp fire. I'm like, yeah, 184 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: that's about right, that's about right. Uh. So that's that's 185 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 1: our buddy, David Burgess, A really good one. We've already 186 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: talked about that on the show before the next one. 187 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: It takes a brief a brief description. Adam Dawson, Michigan, Hello, 188 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: thunder Chicken. It's a middle finger, like the middle fingers. 189 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: The hand is facing you, the middle finger is the 190 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: head of the turkey, and then he's illustrated a fan 191 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: behind the head of the turkey. Yeah, this one. I 192 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: didn't see it until the second time I looked at it. Yeah, 193 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: me either. I had gone through I'm like, well, that's 194 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: not a hand, and then I kept going and I 195 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: had to come back to it. And then when I did, 196 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: I thought, oh, that's beautiful. That's well done. Like the 197 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: knuckle of the middle fingers where the year comes out of. 198 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: It's fantastic. Um, So, you gotta be in the running. 199 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: Gotta be in the running. I'm surprised you guys didn't 200 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: notice that that that it was a hand flipping me 201 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: off when you first looked at it. Yeah, I didn't. 202 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why. Um I was I've been so 203 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: I had to look at hundreds of these. But then 204 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: when I went back to the second time, same thing. 205 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, that's cool. Um So points for creativity 206 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: to Adam Dawson for his his Michigan Hello turkey. Um 207 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: moving on to bringing bringing up the bringing up for 208 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: the females. We already talked about. This one was Steve 209 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 1: and Yanni on Thursday. Samantha Bill b I h l 210 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: is that how you say that? Phil b I h 211 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: l bl bl. I'd probably probably feel it's beautiful. It's colorful. 212 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: It's actually like it's like a painted hand turkey with 213 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 1: a pink background. It says great hand turkey. Um something 214 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: about this one. I just it just is appealing to me. 215 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: Um So, Samantha, really, good job. Any thoughts on that, Joe, 216 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: the first time you're seeing this, I really like it because, 217 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: like you were saying, it's colorful, it's like an actual painting. 218 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: And you know she really stayed true to trace your 219 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: hand and make something out of your hand. She really did. Yeah. 220 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: So then we have uh, we're moving on. Then we 221 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: have Tim ja Rouse, Tim Jarrousse. Sorry, Tim, that's my 222 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: bad man. Last time we talked about it. He's got 223 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: kind of a he's got a hand turkey decoy and 224 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 1: then a hand gobbler that is attacking this decoy and 225 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: as Steve Ronella point out last week, it's got a 226 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: balled up fists coming in for the kill. Um fill 227 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: any commentary on that one. I like this one a lot. 228 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: Like the facial expression of the attacking turkey. Uh yeah, 229 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: it's very it's it's got I'm getting me some really 230 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: serious matrix vibes coming off this. I can kind of 231 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: picture it like frozen with a camera just rotating around it. Yeah. 232 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,080 Speaker 1: I like it a lot. I like it a lot too. 233 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: Moving on to Greg Smith. Now, we've talked about Greg 234 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: Smith last time and he wrote me an angry email 235 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: that can you describe what what I just told you? Phil? 236 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: This is the guy who who he and his kids 237 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: did three turkeys and then they put pasted them onto 238 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: a photo with deer in the background. And Steve Vnilla 239 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: called that out, Uh, smartly called that out. But Phil, 240 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,480 Speaker 1: do you want to kind of go over what's what's 241 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: going on in this one? Uh? Yeah? So what I 242 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: like about it is that it's it's a whole family 243 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: of turkeys. You can tell that the first two in 244 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: the picture where we're done by by kids of varying 245 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: ages um, but as far as as well, what um, Greg, 246 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: I love the idea. But the thing is is that 247 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: we I I didn't really get it the first time 248 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: I looked at it, and you had to send an 249 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: email clarifying what we were looking at. So the one 250 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: that presumably you drew, uh, I could just read it 251 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: to you, he said. He wrote into like he said, 252 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 1: very important that we screwed this up. On an episode nine, 253 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: he said, the premise in Creative Genius on my submission 254 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: is that my gobbler is attempting to masquerade as a 255 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: Candida Goose and the target that you guys start was 256 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: on his wing is the logo of a Canada goose 257 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: jacket he's wearing. Perhaps the geographical issue. I was under 258 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: the impression the Canada goose Jackets were world renowned. They 259 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: are trying to base company. Yeah, we're aware of Canada 260 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: down jackets. Just weren't expecting that curveball in the old 261 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Turkey contest. But I get I get it now. He's 262 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: he's masquerading as a candidate. YEA, yeah, see, I I 263 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: see it, and I think that's I think that's clever. 264 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I but I honestly didn't even see the jack The 265 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: jackets kind of too blended into the turkey feathers. I 266 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: couldn't really tell. But now that I see it, you know. Yeah? 267 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: Could you Greg creative? Uh? And then alec A Cock 268 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: to round out the top eight? Oh yeah, Phil, Phil, 269 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: have you seen alec A Cox creation? Oh yeah, yeah, 270 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: I have. We we we we designated a whole segment to it. 271 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: I forgot about you know. I'm actually I black out 272 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: every day when I go to sleep wake up, like 273 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: with amnesia. Joe, have you seen this? This is the 274 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: first time I've been seeing it, or I have seen 275 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: it and I like it. It's made from fly Time materials. Yeah, 276 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 1: I can see that. We've discussed that a lot over 277 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: the last week. It's been the leader in the clubhouse throughout. 278 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: I would say I didn't I didn't think anything could 279 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: beat this. But there's some of it, there's some of 280 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: this top eight that are gonna really challenge Alex submission 281 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: here for the for the winner. And so that's that's 282 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: the Top eight. Um. There's a lot to think about here. 283 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: Phil has no drum roll sound effects. I'm a little 284 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: nervous about what to do next. I'll put one in. Okay, 285 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: drum roll please, all right, boys, do you want to 286 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: try to go top two and then narrow it down 287 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: or you guys all each have one in your head 288 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: that you think is is by far, by far and 289 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: away the best. Phil. I mean, I've got to I've 290 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: got a top, I've got a top I've got a 291 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: top two with an honorable mention. Right now, let's go 292 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: top two and I'll let you start. What what is 293 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: your top two? Okay? Well, I mean my top two 294 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: and the honorable mention are just the first three we 295 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: looked at. Honestly, I'd say that the one with me 296 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: behind the bush, I love it, um, but that would 297 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: be my honorable I my honorable mention. So that's Nick Larson. Yes, 298 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: that Nick, thank you so much. That was great. That's 299 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: my my honorable mention. My top two are Brennan's and David's, 300 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: featuring both featuring you as the turkey, just indifferent in 301 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: different states, different states. One is just a drunken slob 302 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: of a turkey and the other guy is just like 303 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: a pimp turkey. They're just looking for trouble. Um. I 304 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: like that. Okay, so we're we Brennan and Avid have 305 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: boats to be in the top two. Where are you? 306 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 1: Where you at there, Joe. So I'm gonna say Brennan 307 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: and David are also in the top two. But I 308 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: also like Adam Dawson. Adam Dawson Michigan Hello, thunder Chicken. Yeah, man, 309 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: the Michigan alone, that's really really good, and it would 310 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: be great on the jacket too, would be fantastic on 311 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: the jacket. I I feel I feel bad for alec 312 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: Acock in this situation because I think he's been around 313 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: so long that we're just kind of taking his greatness 314 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: for granted. Um. Yeah, he's kind of like Kobe Bryant 315 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: before he retired, Like he's just he's just dropping fifty 316 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: points at night and then and you're just like, well, yeah, 317 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: of course he is. Of course he's great. Uh. And 318 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: so I think he's I think he's getting a short 319 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: straw here, Phil. Yeah. Yeah, I agree because I like 320 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: the toilet paper featured as well. It's quarantine, it's topical. Um, 321 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: I just it's still I still gotta stick with my 322 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: gut the thing I said last time, it's not it's 323 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: not a hand turkey. I appreciate the craftsmanship and the 324 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: creativity and even the photography. Yeah, I mean, hi, I 325 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: think it's it's it's my it's my winner, man, Like, yeah, 326 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: that's definitely. Yeah. I'm going with with I'm gonna stick 327 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: with Al kay Cock is my top two, and I'm 328 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go with Jive Turkey by Brendan Cole 329 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: is my top two. And if I was gonna, I 330 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: think they're all honorable mentions for me. That's why they're here. 331 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: Greg Smith, Tim Jaris, Samantha Beale. I'm saying all your 332 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: names wrong. That's fine, Adam Dawson, your Michigan Hello, Turkey, 333 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: You're You're all in it. But I think I think 334 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: we have to say that if we were saying there 335 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: was a top three, we're talking about Nick Larson, Brendan Cole, 336 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: and Al kay Cock our top or top three, And 337 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta give it to Brandon Cole my self, Like, 338 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: that's of all the things that's gonna really look good 339 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: on a jacket and it's gonna make people laugh and 340 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: stand the test of time. I gotta go with Brendan Cole. 341 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: So he's my final vote. Although alc Aycock, we will 342 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: absolutely accept your hand Turkey creation for the TC Hall 343 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: of Fame. That will just be a small shelf behind 344 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: my desk whenever we make it back there. So you 345 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: you are will will stand the test of time. Is 346 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: a great, great art. In my opinions, I'm gonna be 347 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: with Brendan Cole. What uh as long as I'm saying 348 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: his name right. It's c O y l E. So 349 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: sorry buddy if I'm saying it wrong. But Joe, what's 350 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: your final final choice? I'm gonna go with Brendan Cole 351 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: as well. Brendan Cole, Phil you all right with Brendan Cole? Yes? Sorry, Ma, 352 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: I've got I've got a kid screaming in the background. 353 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: I turned off my mic. I thought that was my 354 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 1: kid for a minute the sake of your I was 355 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: looking around like is my kids grimin? What? Huh? Yeah? 356 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: I will also vote for Brennan Coyle and I will 357 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: pronounce his name correctly. It's coil. Yeah, that's on that 358 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: right after I was looking at it. Oh boy, that's me. 359 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: That's th HC for you. So congratulations, Brandon sad round 360 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 1: of applause, Well, loosh, you had more hands for Brennan. 361 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: Thank you, and we will get your name right. We're 362 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: gonna send you a first Light jacket with this wonderful 363 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: drawing on the back. Thanks to everybody that joined us 364 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: for this great contest. Again. One one more thing, sorry, Ben, 365 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: One more detail about this drawing we didn't even mention. 366 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: Is that your your turkey suit is his first light brand. 367 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, even better product placement. We like it here 368 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: at th C, we like that quite a lot. So brand. 369 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: We said you name wrong about fifteen times, so we'll 370 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: just say congratulations Brennan Coyle on being the great hand 371 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: Turkey Champion. Thanks for your art, thanks for your time, 372 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: and we'll come up. I'm so drunken contest. I'm thinking 373 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: the next contest right now. So uh stay tuned folks 374 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: for the next great idea. Thank you Joseph, Thank you Phil. 375 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: Now we're gonna go to equally great human being, our 376 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: friend Clay Newcomb. Enjoy Claire Nucom. How's it going man? 377 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: Hey you Ben, I'm doing good, man, doing very good. Well. 378 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: I can't you sound really good, but I can't see you. 379 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 1: And you were telling me, Um that you have have 380 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: presented a fine mustache today. You know, I focused on 381 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: the must ash. The beard. The beard is strong, beard 382 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: game strong. Right now. But the mustache is is kind 383 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: of yeah, that's what I kind of got dolled up 384 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: thinking this was on on video. But uh, well, I 385 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: know you're not a selfie man, but it feels are 386 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: gonna have to cut this out. But I'm growing a 387 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: gobble to gobble beard. Ben. Yeah, yeah, I haven't. I 388 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: haven't said that publicly, but uh I started well yeah 389 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: from last I haven't shaved since last March. Turkey Yeah, 390 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,440 Speaker 1: Turkey season, the Turkey season. Beard. Yeah, yeah, gobble to gobble. 391 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 1: So we will turkey hunt in two weekends and at 392 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: that point I will be eligible if I hear a 393 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,159 Speaker 1: turkey to shave and I go through ebbs and flows 394 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: where I'll be like clean shaven and look like an 395 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: insurance salesman, and then like for two years, you know, 396 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: look like what I really am. Uh, you know, a 397 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: little bit woollier. Well nice to be. It's it's nice 398 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: to be multifaceted. Just what's your wife thinks she liked 399 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: the beard? She can clean shaven man, she likes the beard, 400 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: she does. I don't really think she cares. Uh, you know, uh, 401 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: there's all this talk of you know, your wife will 402 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: kiss you more if you've if you've got a clean 403 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: shaven face, and I've not found it to be true. 404 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: I've been married for almost twenty years. I've been keeping records. 405 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: Uh so I don't know that there's any truth for that. Yeah, 406 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: me too. My I just feel like my wife half 407 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: my face is covered up. That's probably good for her. 408 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: She's like, if you keep that bottom part, extend that 409 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: chin out a bit with that beard, that I would 410 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: really appreciate that. As far as I get all right, well, 411 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 1: you know, we got a lot to talk about. I 412 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: just got done watching the film Newcome over there at 413 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: first Light dot Com. Um, we'll give you all the 414 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: details about that as we go on here in the show. But, UM, 415 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: I guess maybe the first question, and I also want 416 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: to know kind of your what your quarantine life looks like. Um, 417 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: But I think the first question that I have for 418 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: you is nobody's ever made a film about me, and 419 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I kind of hope that no one does. Um, but 420 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: what does it feel like to have someone make a 421 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: film kind of about you and your philosophies and how 422 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 1: you live your life? And what's that feel like? You know? 423 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: It was kind of surreal seeing the film Ben It 424 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: really was. You know, I'm I'm familiar, I'm I'm comfortable 425 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: with a camera just because I've I've been making films 426 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: myself for a long time. But it's very very different 427 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 1: when somebody's making a film about you, you know. Um, 428 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: And so watching the film, yeah, it was, it was. 429 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 1: It was kind of a unique experience for me. I 430 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: watched it with the whole family, and you know, they 431 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: were part of the film, and uh, I mean we 432 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: were all just kind of just like grinning ear to 433 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: ear after you know. Um. But now it was quite 434 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: the honor for for first Light to do that for me, 435 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: I mean really it was. Uh. You know, we made 436 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: this film a year ago, over a year ago actually 437 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: when they were here filming, and I didn't know a 438 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: ton about Jordan Riley, and I really didn't know Ford 439 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: van Fawson that well. So Ford van Fawsen is that 440 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: he was the producer of the film. He works for 441 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: first Light, and I mean I knew I knew Ford 442 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: through through first Light, but you know, he'd never come 443 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: and stayed at my house and ate dinner with me 444 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: for four days, you know. And uh, man, those guys 445 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: are just just incredible humans. In my opinion, and they 446 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: did at the Ford being a fellow Maryland or um 447 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: and has it just a great just a great name, 448 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: Ford van Fawsen. I mean, yeah, something's coming out of there. 449 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: That guy ain't gonna be boring, that's right for sure. 450 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: But so the other guys come and stay at your house. Um, 451 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: did you have you know, a vision of what the 452 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: film would be in your head? Did you think you 453 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 1: know this is this is how this is gonna come out? 454 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:05,520 Speaker 1: Or total things? So, so it all started when uh, 455 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: I told, I told randomly. I think I told Bridget 456 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: noon And that we were going squirrel hunting on mules, 457 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: and that's kind of how it started. She said, well, hey, 458 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: we want to do something with you. Maybe maybe we 459 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: could make a film and and include squirrel hunting with mules, 460 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: and uh, we quickly started formulating this idea for them 461 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: to send a camera team down and uh and we 462 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: just bounced some ideas. It was February, so in Arkansas, 463 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: our both season was still on, the squirrel squirrel season 464 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 1: was on, it was coon season, and I just started 465 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: naming off the options of stuff that I was gonna 466 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: be doing, you know, So we're squirrel hunting we're still 467 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: doing some deer hunting, we're coon hunting. And they said, well, 468 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: that's what we want to make a film about. And uh, 469 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: I really didn't know. I really didn't know what it 470 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 1: was gonna look like. And um, yeah, yeah, it's well 471 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,160 Speaker 1: we get to the actual film and a little bit. 472 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 1: But I think you know, people, if you don't know Clay, 473 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to our Whiskey and 474 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 1: Ethics podcast from from back earlier this last fall in 475 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. So we'll give you a minute. Go do 476 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: that and we're back. So now you know everything about 477 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: Clay you need to know. So thanks for doing that. Um, 478 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: you're down there in Arkansas, you got your kids, your family, 479 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: You've kind of already got a very self sufficient life 480 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,479 Speaker 1: going into this. Um, you know, you probably could describe 481 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: your homestead for people. It's in the film as well 482 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: when the quarantine hits, Like, does your life change at all? Um? 483 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: Is there anything you do differently from your daily life? 484 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: Because I know you work at home, you're own your 485 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: own business and on. You know, personally, my my world 486 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: really didn't change that much. I work from the Barre 487 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: Hunting Magazine Global headquarters, which is on my property. Uh 488 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: so it's not in the house technically, it's about you know, 489 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: a bowshot away from the house. Um. And so my 490 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: my work schedule didn't change. What did changes that my 491 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: family is here all day, you know, and so my 492 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: kids are virtual schooling. My wife runs a private school, 493 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,879 Speaker 1: and so she now is working out of the house, 494 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: and so, um, you know that's the main thing. My daughter, 495 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: I've got to been up. My my oldest daughter just 496 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: turned eighteen years old, and she went to college a 497 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: year early, and so she was over on the East 498 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: Coast at college and they you know, shut obviously closed 499 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: the school down for the semester and sent her back. 500 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: And so, you know, there was some adjustments we had 501 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 1: to make just because we she wasn't here with us, 502 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 1: and then she was, which has been a delight. But 503 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: it's uh, I mean, it's it's really been a unique 504 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: opportunity that we may never have again the rest of 505 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 1: our life, you know, for all of us to be 506 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: sanctioned to be home, you know. So it's a super 507 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: super unique thing. Um. And it has affected us, you know, 508 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean, especially my wife and her job and the 509 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 1: kids virtual schooling. I mean, it's it's been It's been 510 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of a strain for sure, do you Yeah, 511 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: I know, And like I always appreciate your just your 512 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: view on things in general, kind of how you think 513 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: about life and how you handle your life. And I just, 514 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: as I said, just got done watching the film and 515 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 1: learned a little bit more about it. But you know, 516 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: like your general philosophy on something like this, this is 517 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fear, a lot of anxiety, a 518 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: lot of people are kind of reaching out for control 519 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: and trying to find a new normal. Um, how do 520 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: you have you been approaching it? How would you suggest 521 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: people approach it? Kind of just encapsulate all that for me, 522 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, I think we've got to Uh, I think 523 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: we've got to just not approach it from a fear 524 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: based position, you know. I mean, I not to get 525 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: too deep into this, but I mean I feel like 526 00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: God's in control and uh, and we've we've just got 527 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: to we can't approach it from fear, and um, you know, 528 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: we've got to abide by the functional regulations. I mean, 529 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: we've we've taken serious you know, social distancing and and 530 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: these things. But but I have you know, as parents missing, 531 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: and we've made sure that our kids aren't afraid. We've 532 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: talked him through this. We've we've you know, we've we've 533 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: had clear communication, and we've really focused on the positive things. 534 00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: You know. Um, Our our lives are not you know, 535 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,959 Speaker 1: our economic status isn't dramatically affected. You know, there's so 536 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: many good things, you know, the pluses inside of our life. 537 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 1: You know, we we are pretty self sufficient. I mean, 538 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 1: obviously from the meat category, we're highly self sufficient and um, 539 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: and you know, we could stay here for a while 540 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: and not not need much. But but I think the 541 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: main thing that a father has got to do inside 542 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: of his home is be a leader in the sense 543 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: of just you're heading the the the perspective, the ideology, 544 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 1: the posture. You know, just like if I was fearful, 545 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: the kids would know it. They would know it, and 546 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: they would produce fear inside of them. And I'm not 547 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid. I'm I respect what's happening as a 548 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: unprecedented thing. But but we're gonna get through this. It's 549 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: gonna work, you know. Yeah, I love that. Man. It's 550 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: similar here. I mean, you kind of go through you know, 551 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: and even for me personally, I would admit to like 552 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: giving myself a little time each day or every other 553 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: day to kind of either whether I'm alone or with 554 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: my wife's to just work through some of it, talk 555 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: through some of it. It's important to important to be 556 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 1: able to address the things that that even you, as 557 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: as somebody who kind of has to set the tone 558 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: of the household, has to go through and process. Um. 559 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:49,959 Speaker 1: You know, my wife gets that too. I tell her 560 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: if if you need a couple hours each day or 561 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: an hour each day to kind of just go off, 562 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: I'll take the kiddos. And my kids are much younger 563 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: than yours, but um, you know, just for each other 564 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: to kind of have some time to go do what 565 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: you wanna do, whether it's watching the news and get 566 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: educated or just you know, take a walk and forget 567 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 1: about it for a minute. Um, that's been important around 568 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 1: our place. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think unity inside 569 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: of husbands and wives is important right now, Ben, I 570 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: really do, like just uh communication, uh even unification inside 571 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: the home front. I mean, like, I know you've got kids. 572 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: I've got four kids at home, Like if one parent 573 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: has these standards for I mean just common stuff like 574 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: even just like house cleaning, Like we're usually not home 575 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day. The house gets dirtier than 576 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: it usually does. If one parent has this standard and 577 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: the other parent has another standard, that can create friction. 578 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: You know. So like unification of standards, unication, unification of 579 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: expectations and all that comes through good communication. And it 580 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:56,479 Speaker 1: comes as as spouses let go of their preferences in 581 00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,040 Speaker 1: some places and embrace the preference of their spouse in 582 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: the same way. You know that that goes both ways 583 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: big time. You know in a man that that to 584 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: me is like foundational bedrock stuff, because when families are 585 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: all together, all the issues of life are gonna find 586 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: you there in the midst of in the midst of 587 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: that house. And so you don't want a house that's 588 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: that's that's full of friction, um and uh and you 589 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: know it's it's it can be stressful times. So I 590 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: would imagine a lot of people are going through that 591 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: right now. You know, they're used to this buffer of 592 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: of time being in between you know, when they see 593 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: their family in the morning, when they see him at night. 594 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 1: And there's only so many like coping mechanisms that you 595 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: can have. I mean, oh, I and I could talk 596 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: for hours about this bend. But I mean, you know, 597 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 1: if uh, you know, if somebody's putting their kids in 598 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: front of electronics, you know, sixteen hours a day during 599 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 1: this thing, you know, that's probably not the best thing 600 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: for them. But I realized not everybody lives out in 601 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: the country, not everybody has access to uh a lot 602 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: of fresh there, you know. But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's 603 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: a it's a thing. I mean, I think that happens, 604 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: that's happening with everyone, and it's something that we haven't 605 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: really talked about on this show. And this is the 606 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: episode number twelve. And and as this thing goes on, you're, 607 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: like you said, you're spending a whole lot more time 608 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: with with the people you love, which is great, but 609 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 1: you're also there there's also some personal choice that's gone 610 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: and some control that's gone within that within that environment, 611 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: so you've got to kind of give and take to 612 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: to figure it out. I told my wife. Her and 613 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: I talked a lot about just being every day, being 614 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: active and finding solutions and communicating with each other and 615 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,400 Speaker 1: just saying, like, we're going to figure this out. If 616 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 1: it starts getting a little bit frustrating one way or 617 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: the other, or if you know, I'm busy at work 618 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 1: and she's she's not feeling great or what you know, 619 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,720 Speaker 1: Let's let's try to you know, be each other's life 620 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: lifeline if we need to, and just and just give 621 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: give that full support. That's you know, admittedly that's tough. Um, 622 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: it's it's a thing you have, Like we've had to 623 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: work out every day and just say because I think, 624 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,879 Speaker 1: especially I don't know how you feel, but I think 625 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: especially as hunters, we're gone a lot, you know, more 626 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: than the normal normal person um. And then we're I'm 627 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: used to kind of solace and some adventure outside and 628 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:18,759 Speaker 1: certain types of you know, respite there um, And I 629 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: don't have that, and my wife has me around more 630 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: without that. So it's just a different dynamic. Yes, sure 631 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 1: is it? Sure is. Have you guys been getting outside 632 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 1: a lot? You know, I know seasons are a problem now, 633 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: Like this isn't September. We have had an incredible amount 634 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: of rain in Arkansas. Um, I mean it's been a 635 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 1: very wet spring. So we have been getting outside, but 636 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: the weather is killing us. Um. My wife is, Uh, 637 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,759 Speaker 1: there was a season in our life where we didn't 638 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 1: do a lot of gardening. We we did early in 639 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: our marriage, and then we had kids and we raised kids, 640 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: and we did less gardening, and now that the kids 641 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: are growing up a little bit, we're doing more gardening. 642 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: So we've been, uh, we've been doing my and my 643 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: wife is the spearhead of it. I'm kind of just 644 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: like the grunt laborer and um so anyway, we we've 645 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: done a lot of garden and stuff this last week. Yeah, 646 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: same here, funny enough, same here. Yeah, we were standing 647 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: at it's a little bit later here obviously because it's 648 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: still supposed to snow I think later this week. But 649 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 1: we were standing at the at the our back porch 650 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: window yesterday just kind of plotting out like that's where 651 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: that's gonna go. That's because we you know, we're still 652 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: in a brand new house, so we've still got to 653 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: put the above ground the raised beds in and do 654 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: all this plants. We're trying to plank a lot of work, 655 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: but which I'm liking. Man. You know, like we live, 656 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: like where we live is probably too much detail, but 657 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,719 Speaker 1: where we live we had a bare backyard or we 658 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: moved in. We've made some improvements to it, but it's 659 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,480 Speaker 1: mostly the soil is just fraught with river rock, like 660 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: we're right close to the Gallatin River here. So I 661 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: I just felt I felt last summer trying to pick 662 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: some of this rockout so I could plant different things. 663 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: I felt like a laborer. But now I'm like, well, 664 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: I got all the time in the world. I can 665 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: just go and dig a thousand rocks every every day 666 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: and it gives it, gives me something to do, gives 667 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 1: me exercise, gets me out of the house. My son 668 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,960 Speaker 1: loves to dig rocks, so yeah, that's great that. Yeah, 669 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,640 Speaker 1: he's great at that. So I don't know if you 670 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: just take those things for to me, it's like that 671 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: that having that amount of work to do now is 672 00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 1: a positive thing because I got yeah, you know, it 673 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: can be my distraction and and digging rocks. Digging rocks 674 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 1: still monotonous, is still work, still meaningful, and still has 675 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: an end result. That's positive. So yeah, man, I used 676 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: to I used to be uh well for for the 677 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: years before Bear Hunting Magazine, I owned a landscape company, 678 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 1: so I did a lot of grunt labor like this. Yeah, 679 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: I'll have to get your Yeah, like I said, I 680 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,680 Speaker 1: got a half acre to bear dirt and rock. At 681 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: this point, I gotta get to work. UM, all right, well, 682 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: well we'll get to get to what's really going on here. 683 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: And UM, like I said, I mean, I I nobody 684 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,400 Speaker 1: told me to do this. Nobody said, hey, have have 685 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,480 Speaker 1: Clay on the podcast. I watched that film and I'm like, 686 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: I gotta call Clay, I gotta text him, I gotta 687 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: get him on UM because it's just an exciting It's 688 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: exciting for a lot of reasons, but I think the 689 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,800 Speaker 1: main reason, and I also get it. Let me be honest, 690 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: I was part of a marketing team and made films 691 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,759 Speaker 1: similar to this about individuals that we thought were exceptional 692 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 1: and kind of spoke to who we were as a company. 693 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,359 Speaker 1: So you know, that's the honest, honestly the exchange here, 694 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,479 Speaker 1: UM and and I think that's important for people to 695 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,640 Speaker 1: to know. But that doesn't at all, UM effect the 696 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,799 Speaker 1: story that's told here. And I, you know, I like 697 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: a lot of things about it, but what I like 698 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,399 Speaker 1: about the most one and I was telling this before 699 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 1: we hit record, What what I like about the most 700 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: is that you said, UM, towards the tail end of 701 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,400 Speaker 1: of it, that you could be a great hunter and 702 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,800 Speaker 1: and probably be UM more palatable for social media. I 703 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: guess and may be the right way to put it, 704 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: and but but also a poor father. Um, you could 705 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: you could be the best hunter. You can spend all 706 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,800 Speaker 1: your time hunting and perfecting that craft, but at the 707 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: same time that might take away from what's most important. 708 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: So you just talk it encapsulate how you think about 709 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: that balance. You know, I think hunters are passionate people 710 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: and we have to be to be successful. And so 711 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: I mean there's this drive inside of us. I mean 712 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: I feel it strongly inside of me, and I think, 713 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: left untouched, that drive would be like the dominant feature 714 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: of my life that would probably bulldoze over a lot 715 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,399 Speaker 1: of the other things in my life that really might 716 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:47,399 Speaker 1: be important. And so what I was or what I've 717 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: had to do inside of my life because of this 718 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: deep innate drive two and you could call it to 719 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: hunt or to engage in adventure or whatever. It's like 720 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,720 Speaker 1: I have to intentionally dial that thing back in some ways. 721 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean that I'm less of a hunter, 722 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: because I still feel like I give, and I actually 723 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: think that by being balanced you become a better hunter. 724 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: And that was kind of my point, is that a 725 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,040 Speaker 1: lot of times you think the way to get something 726 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,760 Speaker 1: is to reach and grab for it with full force. 727 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: But really, if you step back a little bit and 728 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: use some wisdom and go about the long term route 729 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 1: to get there, you get to this place where you're 730 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: proficient at your craft and you've received just you know, 731 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: an incredible amount of joy and satisfaction out of that. 732 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: But also you've got this other supporting part or you know, 733 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: or the or it. Your hunting is supported by really 734 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: the big picture of things in your life, which is 735 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,560 Speaker 1: a strong family and and and being a good father 736 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: and being a good husband. And um so I guess 737 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: that's what I was that That was the main thing 738 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 1: I was speaking to, is that Clay Nucom without refinement 739 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: would be a barbarian that ran over people. I mean, 740 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, Uh, it would take advantage of 741 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: of of a of a of an understanding partnering wife. 742 00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying, we can't do because I 743 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: see that, Yeah, you know, I see that. I see 744 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: people that see this picture somebody on social media or 745 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: or a pro hunter that gets to hunt all the time, 746 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: and like that's what they want and they probably reach 747 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:40,200 Speaker 1: for that, and um, you know, there's gotta be a 748 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,879 Speaker 1: balanced gotta be balanced, right and and and I'm sure 749 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279 Speaker 1: you you would agree with this or have thought about this. 750 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,360 Speaker 1: I am, you know, in my my life as a parent, 751 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: as a hunter, and my dad went through this too, 752 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,120 Speaker 1: he explained this to me, Um, when I was growing up, 753 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: he went through a time when he was about my age, 754 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: when his kids were when I was about my kid's age. 755 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: Now that he didn't hunt as much, um, And it 756 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: was me getting into hunting that kind of pulled him 757 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: back into it. And he had, you know, a certain 758 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: times life where just as you as you said, you 759 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: know with your gardening like that you when you have 760 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: small children, you kind of have to be home. You 761 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: can't be going off far flung places every weekend for 762 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 1: weeks at a time. And so for me too, I 763 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: I have struggled recently. Um. I would say like I 764 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: hunted more than I would ever possibly hunted. And that 765 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: was the year, the first year in my son's life. 766 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,880 Speaker 1: And then I realized, well that's not gonna work, um, 767 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,960 Speaker 1: and may and and as part of me as possible 768 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,960 Speaker 1: that I I personally was rebelling against this idea that 769 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: I couldn't do it anymore. Um, So doing as much 770 00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: as I could. So I totally understand. That was the 771 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: thing of the film called Newcomb that spoke to me 772 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: the most. But everything before that, it kind of just 773 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: tells your story, how you live your life, the kind 774 00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: of person you are. Um, it doesn't go It goes 775 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,280 Speaker 1: a little bit into your upbringing, but doesn't not a lot. 776 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: But could you just kind of give people rundown of 777 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: of where you grew up and what it was like 778 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: and how you came to to hunting the way that 779 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: you did. You know. So I grew up in uh 780 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,640 Speaker 1: In kind of south western Arkansas, not quite not quite 781 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,759 Speaker 1: deep southwest, but in uh In Polk County, Arkansas. And 782 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,800 Speaker 1: that's where my parents still live, and that's down in 783 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:32,200 Speaker 1: the Washtah Mountains. Um. I currently live in northwest Arkansas, 784 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,040 Speaker 1: which is about two hours from where I grew up. 785 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,840 Speaker 1: And Man, I had a great I had a great 786 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 1: jump start in life with with a great dad and 787 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: a great mother. My my dad was a hunter. Um 788 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: you see my dad on the film. I was so 789 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: pumped that my dad was on there. I almost hardly 790 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: opened my You know, I'm forty years old, Ben, and 791 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: I rarely do a podcast where I don't talk about 792 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: my dad, and I ever intend to do that, but 793 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,480 Speaker 1: it's like his his influence on my life was just 794 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 1: so strong. I can't tell my story without talking about him. 795 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 1: And I think that proves that that even builds this 796 00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:16,400 Speaker 1: idea of the importance of of family, um, not just 797 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,520 Speaker 1: inside of hunting, but just inside of life, because he 798 00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: he influenced me in a whole lot more ways than hunting, 799 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: you know, I mean clearly, but but my dad was 800 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,919 Speaker 1: he was he was bow hunting before bow hunt was cool, 801 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: back in the nineteen seventies in Arkansas, and he, you know, 802 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: he got a bow and his father, my grandfather, was 803 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: a big quail hunter and my my grandfather kind of 804 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,799 Speaker 1: jokingly gave him a hard time, Oh you'll never kill 805 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 1: a deer with that bow, and that kind of ignited 806 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 1: the fire and dad too to become a bow hunter. 807 00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: And he was. He was killing game when nobody else was. 808 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: And so I I was born into this bow hunting 809 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,480 Speaker 1: family and we weren't allowed to shoot deer with guns 810 00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: now because he had anything against guns. But he was 811 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: just like, if you're gonna be a hunter, you're gonna 812 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 1: be a bow hunter. And so, you know, the first 813 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,280 Speaker 1: year I ever killed was with a bow. My friends 814 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,400 Speaker 1: were killing deer with guns and and we weren't allowed 815 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,440 Speaker 1: to do it, you know, And so there was a 816 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of a trial by fire. My brothers. I've got 817 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 1: two brothers. I'm a middle son. UM. My two brothers 818 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: are not big hunters. Um and Uh, to be honest 819 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: with you, I think they My dad was so gung 820 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,399 Speaker 1: ho that he he probably kind of pushed him away 821 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: from it a little bit. And he'll he'll tell you 822 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,919 Speaker 1: that just the same. But what it did for me 823 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,040 Speaker 1: is it put me My dad he was he only 824 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,359 Speaker 1: got to hunt on the weekends. He he didn't he 825 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,080 Speaker 1: wasn't able to hunt much during the weekend. So he 826 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 1: took hunting very very serious during the short time that 827 00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 1: he had to hunt. And uh, and so that kind 828 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: of gave me a template that hunting is not about fun. 829 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,400 Speaker 1: Hunting it's about work and a pumplishing your goals. And 830 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,279 Speaker 1: now later in life I have tweaked that to where 831 00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: hunting is a lot more fun. But that's what made 832 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:11,240 Speaker 1: me successful was going at it like this is serious stuff. 833 00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:15,440 Speaker 1: We're not messing around. We're taking this serious. You can 834 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,839 Speaker 1: come with me and do it. My way or you 835 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:23,439 Speaker 1: can stay home. And that is what really built who 836 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: I am though, and I appreciate that now and and 837 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,319 Speaker 1: I bring a little bit of that ben into the 838 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:33,960 Speaker 1: way I handled my kids, but also have a little 839 00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: bit more of the uh compassion and you my dad 840 00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: was just kind of like full throttle whatever he did, 841 00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: so he I don't do it just the way he 842 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 1: did it, But I still have some of that in 843 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 1: me in the way that I raised my kids. It's 844 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 1: not it's not always supposed to be easy. Um And anyway, 845 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,120 Speaker 1: I guess I was talking about where I came from 846 00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:02,320 Speaker 1: that that was my early upbringings, and hunting was was 847 00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,680 Speaker 1: was in that context? Do you how do you you know? 848 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: Thinking about that? I like, I like that line of 849 00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: of thinking. How do you think about success now? Or 850 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: how do you I think maybe even a better question, 851 00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 1: how do you articulate hunting success to your children? Like 852 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,160 Speaker 1: what's successful in your mind for them? You know, when 853 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,880 Speaker 1: you guys go out, you know, to me, success is 854 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: going into it. Like if I were to take an 855 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 1: individual hunt and I could like categorize a hunt like 856 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: this is the way it works out in my brain, 857 00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: Like I think about Arkansas whitetail hunting, it's like one block. 858 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,920 Speaker 1: I think about Arkansas bear hunting as one individual block. 859 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: I think about a spring bear hunt in Montana as 860 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,520 Speaker 1: one individual block. And if I can I know what 861 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: my resources are for that hunt, Like I've got you know, 862 00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,200 Speaker 1: a month and I can hunt in the afternoons and 863 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,520 Speaker 1: I can, you know, do this or that, or if 864 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,720 Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna be in Montana for seven days, 865 00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,279 Speaker 1: so it's not apples to apples, but whatever resource I have, 866 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,320 Speaker 1: if I can go into that hunt and give absolutely 867 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:08,839 Speaker 1: everything i've got, give every effort and come home and 868 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: whether I have an animal or not, if I've given everything, 869 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a success, you know, you know, 870 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean I can ride. I've ridden home from Montana 871 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,319 Speaker 1: two times without a bear, and it's kind of hard 872 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: to swallow. But it's just like, man, I did everything 873 00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,919 Speaker 1: I could. I wouldn't do anything different than what I did. 874 00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: That to me is a success. Lack of not not 875 00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,719 Speaker 1: success is you know, if I wasn't able to. If 876 00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,160 Speaker 1: I go through a season and I only hunted two 877 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: times for white tails in Arkansas and I'm just like, man, 878 00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,640 Speaker 1: I didn't I just wasn't able to make it happen. Um, 879 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,360 Speaker 1: And obviously I want to I want to kill game, 880 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,960 Speaker 1: and I mean that's a that is a part of success, 881 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:56,120 Speaker 1: but obviously that's not the only part. Yeah. Yeah, that's 882 00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:57,879 Speaker 1: what eats at me too, a little bit like when 883 00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,719 Speaker 1: I when I don't have six sess as far as 884 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: killing an animal, that that's one thing that concerns me. 885 00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,360 Speaker 1: But when I didn't prepare with my bow, if I 886 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 1: didn't shoot my bow enough, if I didn't you know, 887 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,319 Speaker 1: bring the ray. One time last year, I thought I 888 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,640 Speaker 1: brought my sleeping bag on the back country hunt, and 889 00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,640 Speaker 1: all I brought was a sleeping pad. It's pretty cold too, 890 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: so I had to turn around and go back, and 891 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:24,160 Speaker 1: I just felt like that was that mistake was way 892 00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,160 Speaker 1: way more those mistakes of preparation and time and and 893 00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, commitment to the craft. I think was are 894 00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,400 Speaker 1: the things that bother me way more than just um, 895 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:39,279 Speaker 1: not killing something. You know, Yeah, is that is that 896 00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:43,319 Speaker 1: something that you thought about? Yeah? I think so. I 897 00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,960 Speaker 1: mean obviously, anytime we hunt, we're gonna make mistakes and 898 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,560 Speaker 1: learn from it, you know, so we might do things 899 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,960 Speaker 1: different if we did it again. But but in general, 900 00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: that idea of just leaving everything on the court, you know, 901 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719 Speaker 1: to go to a sports analogy is what I like 902 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: inside of hunting. You know, if I come home and 903 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: feel like I've left everything, and you know, the older 904 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,560 Speaker 1: I get, I am changing and I really didn't think 905 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: I would. But Yeah, to be successful the way I've hunted, 906 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: I've had to just be really driven and not you know, 907 00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,239 Speaker 1: driven inside the moment, you know, inside the hunt. I'm 908 00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: not talking about, um, I mean, I'm kind of just 909 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,080 Speaker 1: talking about in the field driven. UM. I've had to 910 00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,480 Speaker 1: be that way more and more. I'm becoming interested in 911 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: the in the way that I hunt and where I 912 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 1: hunt and how I hunt. Being this success, Like I 913 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 1: might pick an area and say my goal is to 914 00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:47,120 Speaker 1: kill and uh a deer in that area and uh 915 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: and I could kill a bigger deer right here at 916 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: my house maybe, but I've already done that. You know, 917 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,880 Speaker 1: I don't want to. I don't I want to. I 918 00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:58,440 Speaker 1: want to kill a deer in this place. Um. And 919 00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: that's that's become a kind of some goals inside of 920 00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: my hunting. Um. More and more every year. So um, 921 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,600 Speaker 1: because there was a time when I probably was just 922 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:13,120 Speaker 1: interested in and things not that specific if that makes 923 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: any sense at all, that may absolutely well. And as 924 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,200 Speaker 1: I was watching the film, the film has chapters, right, 925 00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,719 Speaker 1: it talks about kind of different things you do in 926 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,240 Speaker 1: the way you do them. And there's trying to shoot 927 00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:27,160 Speaker 1: a hear off a mule, there's con hunting, there's squirrel hunting, 928 00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: there's bear hunting. It's kind of all these different facets 929 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,719 Speaker 1: of your hunting life. And I kept I just kept 930 00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: typing notes like why why this, Why that you gotta 931 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,400 Speaker 1: explain to me? You know, I find too that you know, 932 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,960 Speaker 1: you have a lot of extensions of your hunting life 933 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,840 Speaker 1: in your daily life, like owning a mule, owning dogs, 934 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,279 Speaker 1: like all those things are daily, you know, daily parts 935 00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: of your life. Um that you're honing and refining for 936 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,919 Speaker 1: hunting in your case. Um, so I guess you gotta 937 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,480 Speaker 1: tell you you have to tell the story about buying 938 00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:00,279 Speaker 1: your first mule. What the hell are you were even thinking? Yeah, 939 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 1: you know, we didn't grow up with horses or mules 940 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:06,640 Speaker 1: or anything. I was around him my whole life, just 941 00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: growing up in rural Arkansas. And and you know, one 942 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,280 Speaker 1: of my best friends had had a bunch of horses 943 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,440 Speaker 1: and we rode and to be honest with you, Ben, 944 00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 1: I was always really afraid of him as a kid. Uh. 945 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 1: And I would I would just so bad want to 946 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:20,800 Speaker 1: ride one. I mean, I'd go to his house and 947 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,320 Speaker 1: I'd just be like, you know, we we gotta ride horses. 948 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,480 Speaker 1: That I would be scared to death. And Uh, for 949 00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: whatever reason, that always bothered me, how much I was 950 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 1: scared of those horses. And my dad was when I 951 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,799 Speaker 1: was young, kind of put this. He he coined the 952 00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:45,640 Speaker 1: term a PhD in Arkansas hunting um and, and he 953 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: had this idea that he wanted me to, you know, 954 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,880 Speaker 1: be a deer hunter, bear hunter, turkey hunter, and a 955 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:55,120 Speaker 1: hog hunter, you know, and be proficient at all those things. 956 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:59,920 Speaker 1: Well that kind of rolled into wilderness transportation, if I 957 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,560 Speaker 1: could say it that way. Uh. And you know, equine 958 00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 1: animals are super traditional. UM way to h access to 959 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,520 Speaker 1: back country. Boats are a way to access to back country. 960 00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: I've got some water stories that I never told in 961 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: the film. Um And Anyway, I was just like, every 962 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,440 Speaker 1: year for the last ten years, I've just had this 963 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: idea that I wanted to get a mule. Wanted to 964 00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,400 Speaker 1: get a mule. Mules mules down in this part of 965 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,440 Speaker 1: the world. And maybe it's this way other places, but 966 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,440 Speaker 1: they really are kind of an iconic symbol of rural culture. 967 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,959 Speaker 1: You know, Arkansas and Missouri, in parts of Tennessee would 968 00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: be kind of the mule epicenter of of the world 969 00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, like a lot of the 970 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,839 Speaker 1: Western guys that have mules actually come back to this 971 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,960 Speaker 1: part of the world to buy mules. Um, so there's 972 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,239 Speaker 1: there's I won't say that there. There's really not a 973 00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,080 Speaker 1: lot of mules anywhere, but for mules, there's a lot here. 974 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,480 Speaker 1: And so I always had disrespect for mules. And anyway, 975 00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 1: I actually is he was not the first mule that 976 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 1: ever owned. She was the first one that I trained. 977 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,759 Speaker 1: Just to clarify, so, I had another mule before that 978 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,879 Speaker 1: was a green broke mule, and a green saying animal 979 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 1: is green broke is basically just like saying they're half 980 00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,920 Speaker 1: trained and super dangerous. And uh so I had a 981 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:27,319 Speaker 1: bad experience with a green broke mule that nearly killed 982 00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,240 Speaker 1: me a couple of times. And basically you're buying somebody 983 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,200 Speaker 1: else's train wreck a lot of times when you buy 984 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:35,600 Speaker 1: a green broke animal. I learned that, and so that's 985 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,399 Speaker 1: why I wanted to start from total scratch. I thought, Hey, 986 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 1: the best way for me to do this is to 987 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:46,200 Speaker 1: just start from zero. And uh and so that's what 988 00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,759 Speaker 1: I did. Um, I found this mule and it was 989 00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:51,640 Speaker 1: to me, it was a really pretty mule. It was 990 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,800 Speaker 1: a flashy mule, as they as we say in the business. 991 00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,280 Speaker 1: And uh, she was a she she's a red mule 992 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 1: with white honor. So she's a paint colored mule, which 993 00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: in the mule world it's pretty unique to get a 994 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: colored mule, one that has multi colors on it. Most 995 00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: most mules are solid colored, unlike horses. And uh, so 996 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:16,560 Speaker 1: I bought this mule and the mule was pretty much untouched. Uh. 997 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: The guy could put a halter on the mule, but 998 00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:22,759 Speaker 1: I mean he'd never messed with her before. And uh, 999 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,239 Speaker 1: oh man, it was a it was a step. It 1000 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: was it was really me overcoming fear ben which really 1001 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: has been a theme inside my life in a lot 1002 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: of different areas. Really has um and uh, yeah, we 1003 00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,279 Speaker 1: went to pick her up and she was wild, and 1004 00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: I had the wrong kind of trailer and it was 1005 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,960 Speaker 1: a rodeo getting around the trailer with some of the 1006 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:49,000 Speaker 1: film shows some of that and um and I just 1007 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,480 Speaker 1: I just said, I'm gonna train this mule in six weeks. 1008 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be riding her in six weeks. And I've 1009 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: never trained a mule, but I man, I watched YouTube videos. 1010 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,440 Speaker 1: I had a kind of a mentor that was a 1011 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: real good horse trainer, a guy from mina Um that 1012 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,440 Speaker 1: he only came to my house one time, but I 1013 00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,359 Speaker 1: talked to him on the phone throughout the whole six 1014 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: week process. I'd call him about once a week, and 1015 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: he was really articulate. He was a He was a 1016 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,520 Speaker 1: trainer that could tell you what he was doing. Sometimes 1017 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: trainers don't can't articulate what they do. He could really 1018 00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:28,879 Speaker 1: articulate what I could do. He he knew so much 1019 00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 1: that he could read into what I was seeing through 1020 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:35,640 Speaker 1: my words over the phone and could tell me what 1021 00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: I need to do. He helped me, And uh, you know, 1022 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,080 Speaker 1: mule training is it really isn't art Their mule is 1023 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,959 Speaker 1: much harder to train than a horse. Most people say, 1024 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:48,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never trained a horse, but supposedly, 1025 00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,400 Speaker 1: and I and I believe it now that I'm deeper 1026 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,560 Speaker 1: into this world. But a mule is the hardest ecoin 1027 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:59,160 Speaker 1: animal to train and Uh, but when you get a 1028 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: trained mule, you actually can have a superior animal to 1029 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 1: a horse. And obviously somebody's gonna disagree with me on that, 1030 00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,680 Speaker 1: and then there's no right answer. But but a well 1031 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,879 Speaker 1: trained mule is super safe. But it's hard to get 1032 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 1: one to that point. But so many like a nerd 1033 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:24,840 Speaker 1: out buddy about mules. You gotta yeah, you gotta start 1034 00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: a mule based podcast or it's very least a hashtag 1035 00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 1: or something modern like that. Yeah, well, flashy Mule. I've 1036 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 1: been hashtag and flashy mule since you know, Steve did that. 1037 00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,800 Speaker 1: He was he thought that Flashy Mule was fun when 1038 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: I did the podcast with him that was alone with 1039 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,520 Speaker 1: that podcast, Flashy Mutle. I love it. I mean, you know, 1040 00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,320 Speaker 1: you know it's somewhere along the way, Um, you decided 1041 00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: you're going to shoot a deer off? It is he's 1042 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: back um explaining that in the film a little bit. 1043 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,840 Speaker 1: But what the hell is going on there? Ye? Well, 1044 00:57:56,520 --> 00:58:02,160 Speaker 1: unfortunately it hasn't happened yet. Um. No. I two weeks 1045 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:06,520 Speaker 1: before well okay, before first Light even called me about 1046 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,600 Speaker 1: the film, I had made a decision that I was 1047 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,640 Speaker 1: gonna try to kill a deer off her back with 1048 00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,160 Speaker 1: my compound bow. And uh, we had a hund, a 1049 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,760 Speaker 1: big cattle farm over here that has a lot of 1050 00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: deer coming out in the late season on the edge 1051 00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,760 Speaker 1: of these fields, and there's livestock in these fields. So 1052 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: you know, I thought, hey, I might be able to 1053 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,200 Speaker 1: get up pretty close to these deer on this mule 1054 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: and shoot a deer off of her back. And so 1055 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,120 Speaker 1: the first thing that I had to do was just 1056 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,160 Speaker 1: get her used to me shooting the bow on her back. 1057 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,320 Speaker 1: And so there was a process there of me on 1058 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,360 Speaker 1: the ground. You know, mules or horses are just afraid 1059 00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,360 Speaker 1: of anything unless you teach them not to be. And 1060 00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 1: so what I would do is I would feed her 1061 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: and a mule would sell his soul for a handful 1062 00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,000 Speaker 1: of grain to feed her, and I would shoot my 1063 00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: bow just you know, ten ft from her, then five 1064 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,479 Speaker 1: ft from her, and then just like right in her face, 1065 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,800 Speaker 1: just shoot the bow and then crawled up on her 1066 00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,200 Speaker 1: back and shout it off her back. It was no 1067 00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,320 Speaker 1: big deal. I knew it wouldn't be um with her 1068 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:12,000 Speaker 1: with that particular animal anyway. So I Ford calls me, 1069 00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,400 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, we want to do this film, 1070 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,920 Speaker 1: and we talked about all the things we can do, 1071 00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:17,640 Speaker 1: and we're like hanging up and I said, man, I'm 1072 00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,280 Speaker 1: trying to kill a deer off my mules back. And 1073 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:23,600 Speaker 1: he was like, that's what we want to film. And 1074 00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 1: I said, I said, man, I'm gonna look like an idiot. 1075 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean really, I almost was like, no, let's not 1076 00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:32,040 Speaker 1: do that, because I I didn't want it to look 1077 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 1: like a stunt um. But at the same time, I uh, 1078 00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,920 Speaker 1: I was like, well, okay, we can try. And I 1079 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:42,640 Speaker 1: told him, I said, there's no way I'm gonna kill 1080 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,200 Speaker 1: a deer while you are here. I said, I it's doubtful. 1081 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:50,840 Speaker 1: I figured it would take me fifteen hunts riding that 1082 00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,200 Speaker 1: mule to kill a deer over there. That's what I thought. 1083 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,640 Speaker 1: And it actually turns out to be a lot harder 1084 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: than that because I've hunted a lot more than that, 1085 00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,640 Speaker 1: and I have I've missed two deer off of her back, 1086 01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: so in in neither one of those misses are on 1087 01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,000 Speaker 1: the film, but I've actually shot two arrows off of 1088 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 1: her back at deer and missed. It's it's a it's 1089 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:17,280 Speaker 1: so hard because the mule sees deer and she wants 1090 01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,560 Speaker 1: to turn and face them and put her ears up 1091 01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,280 Speaker 1: and look and you're drawing, and you've got she's got 1092 01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,760 Speaker 1: to be perpendicular because you can't twist in that saddle. 1093 01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,360 Speaker 1: You've got to shoot pretty much at a right angle 1094 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,000 Speaker 1: off of that mule. If it's facing forward. You know, 1095 01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,840 Speaker 1: we have a little bit of flexibility in there. And anyway, 1096 01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:39,000 Speaker 1: I've I'm looking forward to the early season this next year. 1097 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I think when the leaves are on the trees, the 1098 01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:46,120 Speaker 1: deer will actually be more tolerant of of being of 1099 01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,520 Speaker 1: the mule. What I learned is in the late winter, 1100 01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,720 Speaker 1: when I thought I could kill one, was actually probably 1101 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 1: the worst time to try to kill one because they 1102 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,440 Speaker 1: are ultra spooky and they're all grouped up. So you 1103 01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,480 Speaker 1: might have one section of the farm that's got twenty 1104 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: deer and they're all together, and so that makes it 1105 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,480 Speaker 1: super hard. In the early season, I feel like, you know, 1106 01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,120 Speaker 1: the deer I all split up, so you might be 1107 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,520 Speaker 1: able to go in and spook a few deer, you know, 1108 01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:14,360 Speaker 1: maybe maybe you get five different stocks, you know, in 1109 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,080 Speaker 1: a day, rather than one. And that's kind of what 1110 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,080 Speaker 1: happens in the late season. So I'm not accomplished school, yeah, 1111 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,880 Speaker 1: but I plan on it. I hope to hope to 1112 01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,840 Speaker 1: be able to do it. Well when you think about mules, 1113 01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 1: you know, ever, it's just from reading that that like 1114 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 1: George Washington, old General George Washington was a mule breeder. Yeah, 1115 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,920 Speaker 1: mules were known in the time of Egypt and Moses, 1116 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,680 Speaker 1: and they're in there mentioned in the Bible. Um. Meals 1117 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,000 Speaker 1: have been around for as long, damn near as long 1118 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,280 Speaker 1: as as we have. I can't imagine you the first 1119 01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 1: person to shoot a deer off a mule, but maybe 1120 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:51,960 Speaker 1: the first modern person to think of it. Yeah, is 1121 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:53,960 Speaker 1: that novelty part of the reason you do it? Or 1122 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 1: is it just because you want to do something harder? 1123 01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:02,840 Speaker 1: You know, I've found that anything that involves these mules 1124 01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,640 Speaker 1: and hunting, I enjoy it. And maybe that's the part 1125 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,680 Speaker 1: of my life where I'm softening up a little bit 1126 01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: as a hunter, because used to I've been so goal oriented. 1127 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,040 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have tried to throw in something really hard 1128 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,120 Speaker 1: to make me less successful, you know. Um, So I 1129 01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:20,440 Speaker 1: think I just enjoy the mules so much that too, 1130 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:25,760 Speaker 1: bow hunt off of them just sounds fun. Um, that's 1131 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: the main reason I did it. And and you know, 1132 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,120 Speaker 1: and I yeah, I figured nobody had done it or 1133 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:33,960 Speaker 1: at least filmed it. So even though I did see 1134 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:39,320 Speaker 1: a guy shoot a buck off a horse's back, Um, online, 1135 01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 1: I have seen that. Yeah, if people don't know, Clay's 1136 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,800 Speaker 1: got pretty damn good YouTube channel over there too. Um. 1137 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:49,720 Speaker 1: So I looked that up. There's a lot of good 1138 01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 1: videos and even in the I mean, you can't really 1139 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,960 Speaker 1: talk talk too much more about without talking about bears. Um. 1140 01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: But what I didn't know before watching the film is 1141 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,800 Speaker 1: how much kick ass bear footage you had. Uh. I 1142 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 1: was like, as I'm watching this, I'm seeing bears. There 1143 01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,600 Speaker 1: was a particular I believe it was a chocolate bear. 1144 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:12,200 Speaker 1: It might have been more blind, but that was basically 1145 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:14,240 Speaker 1: try you had a he had to build a ground blind, 1146 01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,680 Speaker 1: just had to look like down trees and such and 1147 01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 1: and it looked like this chocolate bear trying to jump 1148 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,560 Speaker 1: in that damn blind with you. Yeah. Yeah, that was 1149 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:28,160 Speaker 1: up in Saskatchewan. Um, that bear. Yeah, he just we 1150 01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: were so far back in the in the wilderness been I. 1151 01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,560 Speaker 1: I don't think those bears had ever seen people before, 1152 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,480 Speaker 1: and that particular bear, we felt like it was his 1153 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: first time I'd ever come there. The outfitter didn't have 1154 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 1: any pictures of it, and he came in and there's 1155 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,320 Speaker 1: a whole film on that. There's a film on my 1156 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,240 Speaker 1: YouTube channel. I think it's um it's called Bear Touches 1157 01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:56,600 Speaker 1: Traditional Archer's Arrow, I think is the the subtitle of it. 1158 01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,960 Speaker 1: But anyway, Yeah, that bear just came right in, man. 1159 01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:04,280 Speaker 1: I mean it was one of those situations where I 1160 01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 1: lost control of the situation, which has never happened to 1161 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,720 Speaker 1: me on a bear. I mean every bear and kind 1162 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 1: of ever had in my life. I felt like I 1163 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,360 Speaker 1: was in the driver's seat that one. I got kicked 1164 01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:19,160 Speaker 1: out of the driver's seat and um, and he he 1165 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,800 Speaker 1: actually touched the end of my arrow and kind of 1166 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,920 Speaker 1: reared up about three quarters on his hind legs and 1167 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:26,880 Speaker 1: then he dropped down and turned and I shot him. 1168 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,520 Speaker 1: And that's the video that I got so much grief 1169 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,760 Speaker 1: for on the internet. Yeah, yea, yeah, we talked about 1170 01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,760 Speaker 1: a little bit last time. Yeah, I mean, okay, okay, 1171 01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,280 Speaker 1: I think it is. I mean, it's pretty compelling. For 1172 01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,000 Speaker 1: that was the first time I had seen a clip 1173 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:43,240 Speaker 1: like that, like that snapshot. I'm like, oh, I gotta 1174 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,200 Speaker 1: we gotta cover that. Um, we might as well, you know, 1175 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,680 Speaker 1: let's cover to some of the grief you got. Um 1176 01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,520 Speaker 1: as we get into kind of your passion for a 1177 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:53,480 Speaker 1: bear hunting. We'll go through through the whole deal, but 1178 01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,720 Speaker 1: particularly with with that video. And you've had others I 1179 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:00,920 Speaker 1: know too, that that is developed some grief there on 1180 01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: the YouTube's tell us a little bit about that, you know. 1181 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: So that video when you really start getting grief is 1182 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,720 Speaker 1: when they start getting a lot of views, and that 1183 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,280 Speaker 1: that video I think has two point three million views 1184 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: now where that bear touches my arrow and uh, it's 1185 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:22,960 Speaker 1: it's really interesting people. I bet there's been a comment today, Ben, 1186 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,960 Speaker 1: I bet we could go there right now, and there's 1187 01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,600 Speaker 1: been a comment made today that says that I am 1188 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,800 Speaker 1: some terrible, terrible thing because the bear spared my life 1189 01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:37,800 Speaker 1: and then I shot him when he turned. I mean hundreds, 1190 01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:42,160 Speaker 1: been hundreds, if not a thousand. Well, the video has 1191 01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:46,840 Speaker 1: three thousand comments and people watch it and even hunter 1192 01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:49,280 Speaker 1: there's lots of guys that say, I'm a hunter. I 1193 01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:51,560 Speaker 1: like bear hunting, but I would have let that bear go. 1194 01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: He spared your life and you should have spared his, 1195 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,080 Speaker 1: you know. And it's just um, you know, so we 1196 01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:03,600 Speaker 1: could go on and on about the the glass house 1197 01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:06,760 Speaker 1: that those guys live in if they're hunters, and I mean, 1198 01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:10,280 Speaker 1: you know, but that's the main thing. And then there's 1199 01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,040 Speaker 1: there's people that have no context and they think that 1200 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:18,760 Speaker 1: I killed the last grizzly bear on planet Earth. That's 1201 01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,640 Speaker 1: the other equation. First of all, it's not a grizzly bear. 1202 01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:24,840 Speaker 1: It's a color phase black bear number two. They have 1203 01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:29,320 Speaker 1: no idea. You know that the North American model of 1204 01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:34,040 Speaker 1: wildlife conservation has been the most successful animal husbandry endeavor 1205 01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,640 Speaker 1: of mankind. And the only reason we have bears is 1206 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:41,640 Speaker 1: because in wild places is primarily because of the funds 1207 01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,200 Speaker 1: and efforts of hunters. I mean, you know, like I've 1208 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,560 Speaker 1: got these scripted things that I know everybody says, don't 1209 01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:51,400 Speaker 1: respond to haters on YouTube. I've made a lot of 1210 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,080 Speaker 1: responses to people, and I think it's helped sharpen my 1211 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 1: banter on the fly. UM it really has. It's almost 1212 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,440 Speaker 1: wants to use it like an exercise tool. And and 1213 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,400 Speaker 1: not everybody, but to the odd person. And when I 1214 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:09,400 Speaker 1: have time, I'll just pound back something, you know, throw 1215 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,040 Speaker 1: the um, throw the you know, the the funding aspect, 1216 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:17,640 Speaker 1: the taking. Older mature males talk about how it actually 1217 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:20,280 Speaker 1: was a good shot and the bear died very quickly. 1218 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,320 Speaker 1: I mean, just the massive misunderstanding of bear hunting. Yes, 1219 01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:27,000 Speaker 1: we eat the meat. Yes, this is a sustainable practice 1220 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:32,440 Speaker 1: that we've been doing for forever. You know, so uh, 1221 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:34,280 Speaker 1: we all know what you know. Bears are, Bears are 1222 01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:39,400 Speaker 1: charismatic mega fauna. There touchy subject. But to me, Ben, 1223 01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: and we talked about this before, I think that's why 1224 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,520 Speaker 1: bears are so important for the narrative, the whole narrative 1225 01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 1: of North American hunting. Really, I think you know, that 1226 01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:50,800 Speaker 1: whole idea of Guard the Gate, It's like there's such 1227 01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 1: a hot button. They actually then become something really important 1228 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,640 Speaker 1: that we have a strong narrative, strong ideology, strong philosophy, 1229 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: and kind of a unified stance in the hunting community. 1230 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:05,360 Speaker 1: It's clear. I mean, I think it's clear when you say, 1231 01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,040 Speaker 1: you know what you said last time you're on and 1232 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,920 Speaker 1: even even now with guard the Gate, and you know, 1233 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:14,120 Speaker 1: it's it's explains exactly why you go out and you know, 1234 01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:17,639 Speaker 1: talk to some seemingly crazy person on a YouTube comments string. 1235 01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,680 Speaker 1: I used to do that all the time, and I 1236 01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,320 Speaker 1: feel the same way you do. I felt like, you know, 1237 01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,360 Speaker 1: in a way maybe I I talked to a hundred 1238 01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:28,479 Speaker 1: people over the course of a six month span on 1239 01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:31,679 Speaker 1: that just just hated the mirror fact that I existed 1240 01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:34,360 Speaker 1: on this earth. And but but as I knew, it 1241 01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:37,400 Speaker 1: was pure ignorance that that kind of fueled that hate. 1242 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,120 Speaker 1: If if ten of those a hundred people went and 1243 01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:44,360 Speaker 1: googled the North American model of conservation just to prove 1244 01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,360 Speaker 1: me wrong, at least at least they did that, and 1245 01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,040 Speaker 1: now they could read a little bit about what it 1246 01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,519 Speaker 1: was um and so there is an impact there. And 1247 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,720 Speaker 1: I think that does go along with with your philosophy 1248 01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,639 Speaker 1: and guard the gate. You know, if you could let 1249 01:08:56,680 --> 01:08:59,599 Speaker 1: those folks kind of scream into scream into the void. 1250 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,839 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes challenging them can have a good result. 1251 01:09:03,360 --> 01:09:06,080 Speaker 1: And you know what's bizarre about human nature is that 1252 01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:10,000 Speaker 1: most of my comments I start off by saying, thank 1253 01:09:10,040 --> 01:09:12,240 Speaker 1: you for your interest in our video, and then I 1254 01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,240 Speaker 1: tell them whatever I'm gonna tell them, and then I say, hey, 1255 01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:20,240 Speaker 1: we wish you the best and thanks for commenting. Yeah. 1256 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:25,559 Speaker 1: I started with something cordial and ended with something cordial. 1257 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:29,680 Speaker 1: And sometimes people just melt over that I'm serious, like 1258 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 1: somebody just cussing you will come back and go helly, thanks, 1259 01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: thanks for being reasonable, or like that's happened so many 1260 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:38,760 Speaker 1: times in in in the reflection in stide of human 1261 01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:44,519 Speaker 1: nature has been that if they actually knew you or 1262 01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,400 Speaker 1: me or some of these good dudes out there that 1263 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,760 Speaker 1: are hunters, if they came to their house and ate 1264 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,640 Speaker 1: dinner with them, they would understand just because of the 1265 01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,360 Speaker 1: people that we are they you know, and so that 1266 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,439 Speaker 1: human connection, we're not barbarians. That's that's powerful, and I 1267 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:03,000 Speaker 1: think that's a part of media that is gonna become 1268 01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 1: a more and more powerful component of our narrative inside 1269 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,160 Speaker 1: of hunting is that where people and and honestly like 1270 01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:13,360 Speaker 1: this film it kind of does that in a way. 1271 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean it's telling the story of it's a hunting story, 1272 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,880 Speaker 1: but it's a human story and that people identify with 1273 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,040 Speaker 1: human stories, and so it it alleviates a lot of 1274 01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,559 Speaker 1: I think. I think that kind of storytelling is powerful 1275 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,000 Speaker 1: when we can see the human behind it and see 1276 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,120 Speaker 1: their motivations, because that's what they don't understand. Yeah, they 1277 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,160 Speaker 1: don't understand the science and the facts and the words 1278 01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,559 Speaker 1: and the ideas, but mostly they don't understand the person. 1279 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,200 Speaker 1: It's like, why would this barbarian do that, and then 1280 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,520 Speaker 1: if they saw that guy, they realized he's not a barbarian. 1281 01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:55,640 Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, there's there's common narratives right to to 1282 01:10:56,240 --> 01:10:58,240 Speaker 1: what this film is and what it says about who 1283 01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: you are and and you face this aim challenges I 1284 01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,200 Speaker 1: faced and I'm watching I was relating to you with 1285 01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:07,479 Speaker 1: your you're balancing family and your passions and trying to 1286 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,559 Speaker 1: teach your kids to be like you, but also that 1287 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,639 Speaker 1: they don't need to be like you to respect um 1288 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:15,120 Speaker 1: the lifestyle that you live, but they don't have to 1289 01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,519 Speaker 1: they don't have to do it the way you do it. 1290 01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that that regardless of that was 1291 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: hunting or any other practice or any other passion that 1292 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:26,519 Speaker 1: can be applied, whether it was sports or you know, 1293 01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:29,720 Speaker 1: ice climbing or whatever. So I think you're right, and 1294 01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:31,920 Speaker 1: and I think this film, when I think First Light 1295 01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:35,360 Speaker 1: and the guys that captured did a great job a 1296 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:38,400 Speaker 1: kind of laying that out for people. And and again, 1297 01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: I mean, I couldn't agree more with with the idea 1298 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:44,880 Speaker 1: that you can have a dialogue with people. I you know, 1299 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,839 Speaker 1: this isn't where I wanted to go with the conversation, 1300 01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,000 Speaker 1: but I I had then email the other day from 1301 01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,879 Speaker 1: you know, once we Since we've been doing these daily podcasts, 1302 01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:54,840 Speaker 1: it's been a lot of positive a lot of positivity. UM. 1303 01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:56,439 Speaker 1: I didn't do it for that reason. I did it 1304 01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,760 Speaker 1: because I wanted to distract myself and distract everybody from 1305 01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,720 Speaker 1: for what's going on in the world. But I've had 1306 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of positivity and thank everybody for sending emails 1307 01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,960 Speaker 1: and Instagram messages about how this has affected them positively. 1308 01:12:10,280 --> 01:12:12,639 Speaker 1: I've had what from what I can count as one 1309 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:16,280 Speaker 1: negative comment on one negative email. When I read that 1310 01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,080 Speaker 1: negative email, the first thing I did was write a 1311 01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:22,360 Speaker 1: really long, angry response and then I had to sit 1312 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,720 Speaker 1: with that for like five minutes. Then I deleted that 1313 01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:27,240 Speaker 1: and I just wrote back, you know, thank you for 1314 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:29,840 Speaker 1: thank you for you know, you have the right to 1315 01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:33,280 Speaker 1: critique and criticize our show. You know, that's that comes 1316 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,720 Speaker 1: with the territory. And UM, I really appreciate you know 1317 01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:38,920 Speaker 1: you're taking the time to listen and taking even the 1318 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:42,960 Speaker 1: greater time to write in. UM. You know, but but 1319 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:45,960 Speaker 1: it goes to show like sometimes you can't step back 1320 01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,120 Speaker 1: from from what's happening and say I gotta be I'm 1321 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,639 Speaker 1: gonna be this way, because that's who I am. I'm 1322 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:53,719 Speaker 1: not gonna let people drag me down into into whatever 1323 01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:55,559 Speaker 1: narrative they want to create, you know, And I think 1324 01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,680 Speaker 1: that that's this film kind of stands above any of that, 1325 01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:01,439 Speaker 1: any of those things that happen online or you know, 1326 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,920 Speaker 1: really in any platform. Um, somebody were to watch it, 1327 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,160 Speaker 1: they'll get to know you in a way that can't 1328 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:12,040 Speaker 1: be boiled down in some Instagram comment on a bear video. Yeah, 1329 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,880 Speaker 1: it's good to that reason. It's good for that reason 1330 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,960 Speaker 1: many others. But you know, you as you start talking 1331 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,280 Speaker 1: about bear hunting, you said early in the film, or 1332 01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:23,400 Speaker 1: when we got to the chapter about bear hunting, that 1333 01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:25,920 Speaker 1: bear hunting wasn't really a thing when you're growing up, Like, 1334 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,519 Speaker 1: it wasn't something that everybody did, you know, and you 1335 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,880 Speaker 1: just kind of saw it and decided you wanted to 1336 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:36,160 Speaker 1: be a part of that. Yeah, you know. So what's 1337 01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,560 Speaker 1: so beautiful to me about my story with bears is 1338 01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:45,719 Speaker 1: that it coincided with bears coming back, you know to Arkansas. 1339 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,040 Speaker 1: Arkansas once was you know, had all these bears were 1340 01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,599 Speaker 1: the bear state. They were gone for seventy years because 1341 01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,120 Speaker 1: of all the same reasons a lot of our other 1342 01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,320 Speaker 1: wildlife disappeared during the same time period, and then the 1343 01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:00,400 Speaker 1: bears were brought back. And so to me, it's like 1344 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:06,440 Speaker 1: a conservation story of about the time I grew of age. 1345 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:10,439 Speaker 1: You know, the seasons liberalized here in Arkansas in such 1346 01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,760 Speaker 1: a way that bear hunting could become a thing. And 1347 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:17,920 Speaker 1: so this first bear that I killed in Arkansas, I mean, 1348 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:23,000 Speaker 1: I was just mesmerized by this critter and quickly realized 1349 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:26,160 Speaker 1: I knew nothing about it. And I bow hunted enough 1350 01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: up until that point that you know, I knew, you know, 1351 01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:31,960 Speaker 1: for for for the time period. You know, I felt 1352 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,080 Speaker 1: like I knew a lot about deer, I knew a 1353 01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,360 Speaker 1: lot about turkeys, I knew a lot about all these 1354 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,280 Speaker 1: other animals that I hunted. I killed this bear and 1355 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,559 Speaker 1: knew nothing about it, And uh, that set me on 1356 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:44,120 Speaker 1: a trajectory to learn as much as I could about 1357 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:49,880 Speaker 1: bears and um, and and that trajectory really hasn't stopped. 1358 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,840 Speaker 1: And uh, they're pretty fascinating critters. And and and I find 1359 01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,240 Speaker 1: most people, you know, the the average level of knowledge 1360 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:01,840 Speaker 1: about white tailed deer and and even now turkey across 1361 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:06,400 Speaker 1: the hunting world is pretty phenomenal. I mean, like just 1362 01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:11,040 Speaker 1: the average guy knows more than the expert did in 1363 01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:13,680 Speaker 1: the early nineties and late eighties. You know, I'm kind 1364 01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:17,200 Speaker 1: of exaggerating, but but but uh, I find right now 1365 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,360 Speaker 1: people like bears are kind of coming on the radar. 1366 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:23,520 Speaker 1: And they're coming on the radar because bear bear populations 1367 01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,479 Speaker 1: are expanding. There's more there's more focus on them as 1368 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:32,000 Speaker 1: a as a as as good food, as good opportunity. 1369 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:33,720 Speaker 1: You can hunt them in the spring and fall. I mean, 1370 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of a no brainer that they would be 1371 01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:42,519 Speaker 1: a great, a great thing to hunt. And anyway, when 1372 01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:45,519 Speaker 1: I killed this bear, my dad he kind of just thought, well, 1373 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,559 Speaker 1: Clay killed a bear, Okay, he's done. The next year, 1374 01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:50,240 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm bear hunting again, and he 1375 01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,240 Speaker 1: was like, why you want to do that? And I 1376 01:15:53,320 --> 01:15:56,400 Speaker 1: was like, Dad, I hadn't. I hadn't stopped thinking about 1377 01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:58,400 Speaker 1: that bear since the day I killed it last year. 1378 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:00,639 Speaker 1: I want to kill a bear more than I want 1379 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,280 Speaker 1: to kill a deer. And he he it took him 1380 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,479 Speaker 1: a while to understand that. You know, he never he 1381 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:10,400 Speaker 1: never was that focused on bears. And uh, anyway, so 1382 01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,200 Speaker 1: that's kind of how and what I perceived was that 1383 01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:17,040 Speaker 1: even the people in this region kind of had a 1384 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:19,479 Speaker 1: vermin mentality for bear. I mean it was kind of 1385 01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,559 Speaker 1: like killing a feral hog or something, you know, like 1386 01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,439 Speaker 1: a guy might accidentally kill a bear and man, when 1387 01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:27,920 Speaker 1: I killed a bear was a totally different experience. I mean, 1388 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,040 Speaker 1: I was just like, this is an incredible beast. Wow. 1389 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,679 Speaker 1: And and then I started doing all this research about 1390 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,640 Speaker 1: Arkansas history and Kyleie I was. I was almost offended 1391 01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:44,479 Speaker 1: that my you know, the people that tutored me, and 1392 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:46,600 Speaker 1: I'm talking in a broad sense, you know, not just 1393 01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:49,439 Speaker 1: my dad. Uh. And I wouldn't care if he heard 1394 01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:52,680 Speaker 1: me say that, he would laugh. Uh. I was offended 1395 01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,639 Speaker 1: that they didn't tell me that this was the bear state. 1396 01:16:55,720 --> 01:16:58,840 Speaker 1: I was offended that they didn't tell me about uh 1397 01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:03,000 Speaker 1: Frederick Gerstacker and the guy named Erskine that got killed 1398 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:06,160 Speaker 1: by bear down here in this hollow about twenty twenty 1399 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:10,160 Speaker 1: miles southeast of my house. Uh. I was offended that 1400 01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:13,120 Speaker 1: they hadn't told me about oil trough Arkansas and how 1401 01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:17,160 Speaker 1: there was a whole market hunting economy set up around 1402 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,000 Speaker 1: bears and they were shipping this stuff down to Louisiana 1403 01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,720 Speaker 1: down the Mississippi River. And it's like, we have this 1404 01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,760 Speaker 1: rich history and nobody knew about it, you know, and 1405 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:29,880 Speaker 1: uh it to me that just adds you know, wait 1406 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,240 Speaker 1: and in fun and just some gravitas to the hunt 1407 01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:38,639 Speaker 1: when you're when you know this history behind it, you know. Yeah, 1408 01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:40,680 Speaker 1: I mean you didn't just you didn't just kind of 1409 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,800 Speaker 1: embrace bear hunting. You started the Arkansas Black Bear Association. 1410 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:48,800 Speaker 1: Um you now you know, own and operate bear hunting magazine. 1411 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,320 Speaker 1: So it wasn't like you just like, yeah, I'm really 1412 01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:56,000 Speaker 1: into this. Uh I thin you went both feet in Yeah, yeah, yep, 1413 01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,680 Speaker 1: I did. I mean Arkansas Black Bear Association. When did 1414 01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,519 Speaker 1: you start that? Well, okay, I'm glad you know. I 1415 01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,360 Speaker 1: didn't have much input into the or any input into 1416 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:08,360 Speaker 1: the film. I saw it just last week for the 1417 01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: first time. So the Arkansas Black Bear Association is currently 1418 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:17,120 Speaker 1: not in operation. So we were we were in operation 1419 01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:20,400 Speaker 1: for five years and we produced We had a membership. 1420 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean it was like a five legit fivele of 1421 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,680 Speaker 1: one C three. We had a membership. I think at 1422 01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:27,040 Speaker 1: one time we had about four hundred members in Arkansas 1423 01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:31,360 Speaker 1: and we produced a quarterly magazine called the Arkansas Baron 1424 01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:35,240 Speaker 1: Buck Journal that that I produced. And man, when I 1425 01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:39,000 Speaker 1: so that I did just on the side, Like, I 1426 01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:41,000 Speaker 1: didn't make any money from that. I was still working 1427 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,679 Speaker 1: a regular job and was also running the Arkansas Black 1428 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,240 Speaker 1: Bear Association. We were doing seminars and I mean it 1429 01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:49,800 Speaker 1: was just totally I won't call it a hobby because 1430 01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:51,800 Speaker 1: I didn't really view it as a hobby, but it 1431 01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:56,880 Speaker 1: was not income producing. Well, the Arkansas Black Bear Association 1432 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:01,800 Speaker 1: led me to Bear Hunting Magazine, and that's a whole 1433 01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:08,160 Speaker 1: another story, but long story short, in acquired Bear Hunting Magazine, 1434 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,520 Speaker 1: which is was a already in print for fourteen years business, 1435 01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,960 Speaker 1: full time business that required me to quit my job 1436 01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,240 Speaker 1: and just take this thing on full time. I tried 1437 01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:24,120 Speaker 1: to run both businesses for three years, and I think 1438 01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:29,040 Speaker 1: in uh sixteen is when we just we just had 1439 01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:33,040 Speaker 1: to close the doors of Arkansas uh Black Bear Association 1440 01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,080 Speaker 1: just because I couldn't do both and there was no funds. 1441 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:39,800 Speaker 1: I tried to kind of give it away to somebody 1442 01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:43,240 Speaker 1: and it just didn't work. So anyway, so that's yeah, 1443 01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:48,120 Speaker 1: that's IM. I have mixed feelings about that, but that's 1444 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,280 Speaker 1: the that's the story. I ran into Bear Hunting Magazine 1445 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:54,920 Speaker 1: many years ago, um and it picked up a copy. 1446 01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,400 Speaker 1: I want to say I was in It must have 1447 01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,600 Speaker 1: been well before you had it. But I want to 1448 01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,960 Speaker 1: say I was any moose in Newfoundland and they had 1449 01:20:01,960 --> 01:20:04,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of and I remember picking this up and 1450 01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:06,439 Speaker 1: kind of following along. So when I when I heard 1451 01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:07,960 Speaker 1: that you had picked it up, I'm like that that's 1452 01:20:07,960 --> 01:20:10,599 Speaker 1: a that's a hell of a good thing, because, um, 1453 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:12,720 Speaker 1: some of these it's hard to as you well know 1454 01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:15,280 Speaker 1: how to tell you, it's hard to run these these 1455 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:18,160 Speaker 1: smaller publications like that. It was just it's a tough 1456 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,479 Speaker 1: tough time for that kind of business. Um. Yeah, And 1457 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:23,640 Speaker 1: so it goes just to show another piece of your 1458 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,439 Speaker 1: grit to take something like that and and make it 1459 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,960 Speaker 1: successful and make it a livelihood for for you and 1460 01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: whatever it is. You know, the print world is uh, 1461 01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,559 Speaker 1: for the for the niche magazines, some of them are 1462 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,080 Speaker 1: still doing really good. Um. You know, it's kind of 1463 01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,559 Speaker 1: a fascinating thing to me. The printer that we print 1464 01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,439 Speaker 1: our magazine with, he he'll tell you that they print 1465 01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:53,040 Speaker 1: about four hundred titles and you wouldn't know a single 1466 01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:56,760 Speaker 1: one of them. I mean they're just you know, like Pinstripe, 1467 01:20:56,800 --> 01:21:04,320 Speaker 1: hot Rod Magazine, Uh, you know, Magwheel Magazine, Bear Hunting magazine, 1468 01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, just these little niche magazines. Um, because still, 1469 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:14,240 Speaker 1: I mean we're the only if you want concentrated content, 1470 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:16,559 Speaker 1: you know. I mean we're the only place to get 1471 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,160 Speaker 1: all Bear magazine, you know. So but it's it's fun, 1472 01:21:19,200 --> 01:21:24,759 Speaker 1: it's a challenge, it's entrepreneurial. It it it uh yeah, 1473 01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:27,720 Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's been good to me. Well it's 1474 01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,360 Speaker 1: it's a um not to go too far down in 1475 01:21:30,360 --> 01:21:33,960 Speaker 1: this rabbit old. But when I've hunted in Europe, Scandinavia 1476 01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,559 Speaker 1: in places I've been guys I know over there from 1477 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,439 Speaker 1: just being in an alter remedia for so long, Um, 1478 01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,759 Speaker 1: there's a real entrepreneurial like make your own media house, 1479 01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:47,800 Speaker 1: you know, world and culture in Europe and Scandinavia where 1480 01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,400 Speaker 1: you know, kind of every hunter that you would meet 1481 01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,680 Speaker 1: has his own magazine or every hunting club has its 1482 01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,200 Speaker 1: own magazine, and a lot of people there's a lot 1483 01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:58,200 Speaker 1: of that. So you see that over there, and I 1484 01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:01,559 Speaker 1: watched that culture and really enjoyed the fact that you know, 1485 01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:04,160 Speaker 1: there's more outlets for that kind of material and they're 1486 01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,120 Speaker 1: all very niche like like yours is. So not to 1487 01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,360 Speaker 1: go too far down the industry rabbit hole, but that's 1488 01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,479 Speaker 1: it's it's really cool to see something like that that's 1489 01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,120 Speaker 1: allows you to live your life and also, you know, 1490 01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:18,720 Speaker 1: talk about something you love and educate people and make it, Yeah, 1491 01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,240 Speaker 1: make it more than just print in people's hands, you know, 1492 01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:23,439 Speaker 1: because I know that there's a whole lot more that 1493 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:26,640 Speaker 1: goes to it than just a magazine. Yeah, that's a 1494 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,960 Speaker 1: beautiful thing. Um. There's a whole lot of quotes about 1495 01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,320 Speaker 1: you in this film. Um, but the one, the one 1496 01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:39,080 Speaker 1: that you just have to comment on, Um, you're Robert 1497 01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:43,719 Speaker 1: Frost out of Leopold and Andy Griffith had a baby, 1498 01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:49,880 Speaker 1: that would be thank you bent Reeves, you your your 1499 01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:55,200 Speaker 1: friend and outdoor photographer videographer Brent Reeves rocks that out 1500 01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,880 Speaker 1: what Yeah, where are you at with that accurate? I 1501 01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,080 Speaker 1: wish Brent, I wish you can talk to Brent Reeves. 1502 01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:03,320 Speaker 1: You need to talk to Brent Reeves. Brent is Uh, 1503 01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:07,560 Speaker 1: Brent is one of my close friends. He's he's filmed 1504 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: with me all over the place, and and he is 1505 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:17,680 Speaker 1: a true Arkansas character and like he can remember, like 1506 01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,160 Speaker 1: he is the world's best when it comes to quotes. 1507 01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,439 Speaker 1: I mean, he remembered. He could write a book off 1508 01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:27,439 Speaker 1: the quotes from his dad and grandfather, and every time 1509 01:23:27,439 --> 01:23:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm with him, he whips out some quote and I'm 1510 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,120 Speaker 1: just like, there is no way that your dad said that, 1511 01:23:32,720 --> 01:23:34,880 Speaker 1: and uh, and He's like, yep, he did. I've been 1512 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,559 Speaker 1: saying that my whole life. So I don't know if 1513 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,519 Speaker 1: he's telling the truth. They're alive, but he's good at it. 1514 01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:40,719 Speaker 1: Let me just put it that way. And it didn't 1515 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,519 Speaker 1: surprise me when I heard him. I wasn't there when 1516 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,840 Speaker 1: they filmed that, obviously, so I had no idea what 1517 01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,400 Speaker 1: Brent said. And um so anyway, it was funny. I 1518 01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,639 Speaker 1: thought it was funny you said some things in the film. 1519 01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,840 Speaker 1: You guys are into a squirrel, I think. And he said, 1520 01:23:55,840 --> 01:24:00,559 Speaker 1: we're in the chips now, boys, you got any uh 1521 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:05,080 Speaker 1: newcom sayings that that people people need to know about? Oh, dang, 1522 01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 1: I think I've got a lot. Ben, I'm on the 1523 01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:12,440 Speaker 1: spot here. You can certainly send me a list afterwards 1524 01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,760 Speaker 1: of all the all the things you say, because I 1525 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:17,839 Speaker 1: know I have things that I say have no idea. Uh, 1526 01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:20,840 Speaker 1: I just say him, and they become people remember you 1527 01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: by by the phrase yeah, yeah, yeah. I have to 1528 01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:28,280 Speaker 1: think about that. I think, you know, maybe it maybe 1529 01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,680 Speaker 1: this is everywhere. I know it's in the South, just 1530 01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:33,240 Speaker 1: because this is where I grew up. But I mean, 1531 01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:36,679 Speaker 1: you know, and even historically hunters have been like these 1532 01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:40,760 Speaker 1: big characters, you know, and um, and I think that uh, 1533 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,360 Speaker 1: if somebody tries to be a character, then it's that 1534 01:24:46,520 --> 01:24:49,599 Speaker 1: comes across as in authentic, you know. But I mean 1535 01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:51,599 Speaker 1: I think we grew up with that. And my dad's 1536 01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:54,640 Speaker 1: a character. Man. If you're around my dad for a 1537 01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:59,200 Speaker 1: couple hours and Deer Camp, I mean, he's he's hilarious, 1538 01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:03,400 Speaker 1: and he's he he's just funny. Uh well not even 1539 01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:06,679 Speaker 1: not funny from a sensible comedian, just you would laugh 1540 01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,920 Speaker 1: a lot of what he said, just because he's he's 1541 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,439 Speaker 1: just a character, you know, He's just a big, big character. 1542 01:25:12,040 --> 01:25:14,559 Speaker 1: And Brent's the same way. And a lot of people 1543 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:17,160 Speaker 1: I know are and and you know, really I am 1544 01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:20,439 Speaker 1: a I think I'm a result of just like all 1545 01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:24,240 Speaker 1: of us, of the community of people that we respected 1546 01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:27,120 Speaker 1: as we grew up. I mean, James Lawrence, that guy 1547 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,960 Speaker 1: in the film the that says Arkansas Mountain man, man, 1548 01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:35,800 Speaker 1: that guy right there, there's not a more real deal 1549 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:40,639 Speaker 1: hunter on the planet. Uh. I was so glad they 1550 01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:44,639 Speaker 1: put him in there. I mean, James Lawrence is I mean, 1551 01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:48,080 Speaker 1: he he's the real deal man, and and he's the 1552 01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:51,360 Speaker 1: kind of guy that's not very vocal. He's the kind 1553 01:25:51,400 --> 01:25:54,680 Speaker 1: of guy that has killed more deer than anybody on 1554 01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:57,600 Speaker 1: the planet and he never told anybody. And you go 1555 01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,960 Speaker 1: to his house and you see all the dearies killed 1556 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,320 Speaker 1: old over the last fifty years on public land down 1557 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,360 Speaker 1: the mountains where there's hardly any deer to begin with, 1558 01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,960 Speaker 1: and you're just like, holy smokes, this guy's a real deal. 1559 01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:12,120 Speaker 1: James has been a big influence on my life. Um, 1560 01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:14,320 Speaker 1: but you know, we're we're a result of these people 1561 01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:18,519 Speaker 1: that we value, you know, yeah, yeah, that's it's a 1562 01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:21,800 Speaker 1: cool thing about you know that about First Light, particularly 1563 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,120 Speaker 1: in other other brands that I've worked with, are been 1564 01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,280 Speaker 1: a part of, especially out their industrue and and these 1565 01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,559 Speaker 1: brands that are you know, they're there to do a job, 1566 01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,639 Speaker 1: but but they also understand that they understand that there's 1567 01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:35,559 Speaker 1: people that they value and an ethos that they value, 1568 01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,519 Speaker 1: and something that sparks in them excitement. You know, they're 1569 01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,320 Speaker 1: excited to tell your story for just just the reasons 1570 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,240 Speaker 1: that you talked about. Um, there's many, many people in 1571 01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:46,600 Speaker 1: my life that have been on this show. Um, that 1572 01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:48,960 Speaker 1: people have heard from that have done that for me, 1573 01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,200 Speaker 1: you know Wyman Men's or Charles Rodney, bunch of other 1574 01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:53,439 Speaker 1: folks that that people have listened to on this show. 1575 01:26:53,680 --> 01:26:57,719 Speaker 1: That that's just I value Colonel Tom, Colonel Tom Kelly. Yeah, 1576 01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:00,599 Speaker 1: I mean I just like that. I value not only 1577 01:27:01,560 --> 01:27:04,559 Speaker 1: you know, their perspective in life, but the way that 1578 01:27:04,680 --> 01:27:08,759 Speaker 1: they've you know, structured their their relationships with other people, 1579 01:27:08,760 --> 01:27:11,280 Speaker 1: in the way that they speak and and all of that. 1580 01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:13,400 Speaker 1: So I think that's that comes through in this film. 1581 01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,439 Speaker 1: For you. It's not only story about your life, but 1582 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,519 Speaker 1: but all the people that have helped you build it 1583 01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:20,640 Speaker 1: the way you have. So I think a lot of 1584 01:27:20,720 --> 01:27:23,360 Speaker 1: us even now, man, when I'm stuck in my home, Um, 1585 01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:26,639 Speaker 1: I don't have any mules or or you know, squirrel 1586 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,160 Speaker 1: dogs or anything running around here. I I you know 1587 01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,720 Speaker 1: like that. I see that as the next chapter. And 1588 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,200 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people could watch this film. Um, 1589 01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:35,920 Speaker 1: we gotta tell you where to go watch of course 1590 01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:39,080 Speaker 1: you go tomorrow. It drops tomorrow in April one, which 1591 01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,679 Speaker 1: I have to talk to the first like guys about 1592 01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:44,840 Speaker 1: dropping stuff on April Fools Day. Um, this a joke. Yes, 1593 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,200 Speaker 1: it's a joke. Um Tomorrow April first, first like dot com. Um, 1594 01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,599 Speaker 1: you go to firstl dot com slash Newcomb I believe 1595 01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,760 Speaker 1: it is uh so slash pages p G e s 1596 01:27:57,760 --> 01:27:59,680 Speaker 1: slash Newcomb and you can watch this video tomorrow and 1597 01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:01,920 Speaker 1: its own at first light dot com. So if you 1598 01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,799 Speaker 1: go over there and watch it, you'll get to experience 1599 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:05,880 Speaker 1: all of this. And I'm sure, just like me, you'll 1600 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,360 Speaker 1: be thinking, Man, you know, right about now, right about 1601 01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,960 Speaker 1: quarantine time, I would love to be out there training 1602 01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,680 Speaker 1: mules with Clay on his place. It just seems like 1603 01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:19,040 Speaker 1: an escape that that many of us, many of us 1604 01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:22,200 Speaker 1: would love to part take. And even though, uh, I'm 1605 01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:25,519 Speaker 1: sure the turkeys are gobbling down there, aren't they They? 1606 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:27,400 Speaker 1: I have not heard one. That's why I still got 1607 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:30,880 Speaker 1: my beard. But our season doesn't open until we've got 1608 01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:33,920 Speaker 1: a late season. Our turkey numbers are hurting, so they 1609 01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,439 Speaker 1: pushed it way back, but we can't hunt for about 1610 01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,840 Speaker 1: two more weeks. But they're goblin. I've heard lots of 1611 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:42,800 Speaker 1: guys say that they've been hearing them for sure. Yeah, well, 1612 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,120 Speaker 1: good man, anything else you want to say about the 1613 01:28:45,200 --> 01:28:48,400 Speaker 1: video and the problem, let me say something about about 1614 01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:52,240 Speaker 1: First Light. Um when they came, I mean I knew 1615 01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,160 Speaker 1: what they were here to do to make a film, 1616 01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,439 Speaker 1: and I knew that, you know. I mean, they're a 1617 01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,479 Speaker 1: company that wants to sell clothing. And I've been with 1618 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,200 Speaker 1: first It for a long time. I mean, I like 1619 01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,200 Speaker 1: to say I was wearing first Light before it was cool. 1620 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:06,559 Speaker 1: That's probably not true, it's not, but but I mean 1621 01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:08,760 Speaker 1: for years I've been wearing first Light and I wear 1622 01:29:08,760 --> 01:29:12,200 Speaker 1: a first Light all the time. I mean not when 1623 01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm taking pictures, but just I wear it. Well. When 1624 01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:20,200 Speaker 1: they came, I was like, what do you what do 1625 01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:22,280 Speaker 1: you guys want me to You want me to wear something? 1626 01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:23,920 Speaker 1: And they were just like, man, just wear what you 1627 01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,960 Speaker 1: would wear. It doesn't matter. And uh, they de emphasized 1628 01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,120 Speaker 1: so much the first Light gear and that kind of 1629 01:29:32,200 --> 01:29:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to say surprised me because it might 1630 01:29:34,680 --> 01:29:38,519 Speaker 1: insinuate that I thought something less of them. And but like, 1631 01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,120 Speaker 1: even with the guys that I was hunting with, I 1632 01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:41,960 Speaker 1: was like, hey, do you want my dad to wear 1633 01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,800 Speaker 1: a first Light? You want James to wear a first Light? 1634 01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,680 Speaker 1: And they were like no, you know, if they're not 1635 01:29:47,720 --> 01:29:49,439 Speaker 1: wearing it, they're not wearing it. They were like, that's 1636 01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,120 Speaker 1: not what this is about. And I and I respected that, 1637 01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:55,080 Speaker 1: and I think that, you know, it's not a sales 1638 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:57,559 Speaker 1: pitch and that just speaks to the values of the company. 1639 01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,160 Speaker 1: And they were just they were interested in telling the story, 1640 01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,880 Speaker 1: and um, I thought that was cool. Yeah, they've done 1641 01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:06,639 Speaker 1: that with me too, you know. Um hey, if you're 1642 01:30:06,640 --> 01:30:08,160 Speaker 1: not don't worry about it. If you're not gonna, if 1643 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:10,599 Speaker 1: you're not wearing it, don't wear it. Um we certainly 1644 01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:12,280 Speaker 1: want you to to take a look at it and 1645 01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:14,439 Speaker 1: wear it if you can. But if you like something else, 1646 01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:16,519 Speaker 1: let us know why. Maybe we'll make something better next time. 1647 01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:21,360 Speaker 1: So it's it's good. It's nice, honest earnest, you know, 1648 01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:25,000 Speaker 1: people with the right values coming at making content for folks, 1649 01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:27,240 Speaker 1: and in a time where we need that, you know, 1650 01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:28,800 Speaker 1: in a time where we need number one in the 1651 01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:33,599 Speaker 1: distraction of good content. And also just people that are 1652 01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,280 Speaker 1: honest with us and telling us exactly where they are. 1653 01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:40,400 Speaker 1: I think that's um to be valued. So man, I 1654 01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,280 Speaker 1: really I really appreciate the film, and I appreciate you 1655 01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:45,479 Speaker 1: take some time to talk to me about it. Hopefully 1656 01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,559 Speaker 1: everybody will go to first Light dot Com tomorrow on 1657 01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,760 Speaker 1: April Fool's Day and watch its promise it's not a joke. 1658 01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:54,960 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's real. It's a great film. It's about 1659 01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,720 Speaker 1: eleven minutes of your time and you will very much 1660 01:30:56,800 --> 01:30:59,599 Speaker 1: enjoy it. The film is called Newcam and you're listening 1661 01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:03,160 Speaker 1: to Clay. Thanks Brother, Hey, thanks Ben, thank you. I 1662 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:16,759 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Man. All right, that's it. That's all 1663 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:20,599 Speaker 1: another episode in the books. Thanks to everybody took part 1664 01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,240 Speaker 1: in this one, specifically all of you people that hung 1665 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,679 Speaker 1: in for the beginning of the podcast where we chose 1666 01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:30,679 Speaker 1: our winner for Great Hand Turkey competition. I feel that 1667 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:34,040 Speaker 1: we need to maybe take a look at the kids drawings. 1668 01:31:34,160 --> 01:31:36,960 Speaker 1: Only so many people had their kids take part in this, 1669 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:40,280 Speaker 1: um and so thanks to all the parents and all 1670 01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,320 Speaker 1: the kiddos out there that took part, we we may 1671 01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:45,320 Speaker 1: have to go back and select our favorite, uh you know, 1672 01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:48,719 Speaker 1: twelve and underdrawing, because there's so many good ones out there. Um. 1673 01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:50,960 Speaker 1: In case we don't do that, just to thank you, 1674 01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,920 Speaker 1: hopefully we'll suffice. Thanks Thanks to all everybody for for 1675 01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:56,120 Speaker 1: putting that time and effort in to help us have 1676 01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:59,559 Speaker 1: fun and be distracted from the current quarantine. Joe ferren 1677 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:04,000 Speaker 1: Otto you're they're still right, Yep, I'm here now. Everybody 1678 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:06,360 Speaker 1: that comes on gets a chance to kind of say, 1679 01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,519 Speaker 1: you know, kind of say their peace on the quarantine. 1680 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:10,960 Speaker 1: So I don't want to let you go today without 1681 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,679 Speaker 1: getting a little bit of your perspective on the quarantine 1682 01:32:13,720 --> 01:32:15,719 Speaker 1: and kind of what you've been up to. So while 1683 01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:20,559 Speaker 1: us with your pros, buddy, Yeah, well, I don't know. 1684 01:32:20,680 --> 01:32:24,000 Speaker 1: My my perspective varies daily. I've got the beginning of it. 1685 01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,519 Speaker 1: I kind of was like, we're not really in a 1686 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:33,120 Speaker 1: huge situation in Montana yet, but um, as everything progresses, 1687 01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:37,280 Speaker 1: I can see the reasoning behind everything. And uh, I'm 1688 01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:40,759 Speaker 1: really appreciative of all the people who are out fighting 1689 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:45,080 Speaker 1: the disease, like nurses and doctors, medical professionals are out 1690 01:32:45,080 --> 01:32:49,760 Speaker 1: on the front lines taking care of people. But as 1691 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,479 Speaker 1: far as what I'm doing, you know, I'm just working 1692 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:56,280 Speaker 1: every day, day to day day today things. Um, Montana, 1693 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:58,960 Speaker 1: we're still allowed to go out into the mountains and 1694 01:32:59,080 --> 01:33:02,400 Speaker 1: enjoy our public ends and get hiking, and so I've 1695 01:33:02,400 --> 01:33:04,639 Speaker 1: been out in the mountains quite a bit and hiking 1696 01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,000 Speaker 1: around and running every day and trying to stay healthy. 1697 01:33:08,240 --> 01:33:11,120 Speaker 1: So that's that's what's what I'm doing good. That's about 1698 01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:13,160 Speaker 1: all you can do at this point, so I know 1699 01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:16,280 Speaker 1: you have been. UM well, thanks for coming to join 1700 01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,400 Speaker 1: us and helping us pick the hand turkey Joe. UM, 1701 01:33:19,439 --> 01:33:21,639 Speaker 1: I can't I can't tell you how much I look 1702 01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,920 Speaker 1: forward to being back in a tiny studio with you guys. 1703 01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,920 Speaker 1: And it'll be nice speaking into microphones while all together. 1704 01:33:28,560 --> 01:33:32,599 Speaker 1: That will be a good time. UM. You know tomorrow Thursday, Friday. 1705 01:33:32,640 --> 01:33:34,559 Speaker 1: You know what I really want to do for all 1706 01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,200 Speaker 1: of you that have been listening through all twelve of 1707 01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:38,479 Speaker 1: these episodes, and and we'll listen to the final three 1708 01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:42,080 Speaker 1: of them. It's kind of take a brief moment to celebrate, UM, 1709 01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:43,960 Speaker 1: the people out there that are listening to this show, 1710 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:46,719 Speaker 1: that are working their asses off, as Joe just said, 1711 01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:50,559 Speaker 1: to to help other people, UM, to bring positivity to 1712 01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:55,960 Speaker 1: their communities and and just be good humans at a 1713 01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:57,559 Speaker 1: time where we need to pull together. So I've got 1714 01:33:57,600 --> 01:34:00,240 Speaker 1: a lot of really good emails and notes from from 1715 01:34:00,240 --> 01:34:02,320 Speaker 1: a lot of you out there that are going through 1716 01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:05,280 Speaker 1: tough times. UM. I wanted to reach out and to 1717 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:08,320 Speaker 1: share your perspective, so please continue to do that. UM 1718 01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:10,800 Speaker 1: at th a c at the mediator dot com. Let 1719 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,760 Speaker 1: me know where you are, what you're doing, how this 1720 01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:15,360 Speaker 1: is affecting you, how you're pulling through it. I would 1721 01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,040 Speaker 1: love to get some of you guys on the show 1722 01:34:17,080 --> 01:34:19,760 Speaker 1: to kind of explain that and just briefly let us 1723 01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,960 Speaker 1: know that you're doing okay and how you're making that 1724 01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:24,960 Speaker 1: happen in your world. So I want to take what 1725 01:34:25,080 --> 01:34:27,400 Speaker 1: has been the strange three weeks and at least in 1726 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:31,760 Speaker 1: part ended with you and your stories and how you're 1727 01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:34,360 Speaker 1: connecting during this time. So make sure in the next 1728 01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,000 Speaker 1: twenty four hours if you can shoot me a note 1729 01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:37,680 Speaker 1: and tell me your story, will do our best to 1730 01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:39,600 Speaker 1: try to get as many of you on as we 1731 01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,760 Speaker 1: can alongside our guests and and different other conversations that 1732 01:34:43,800 --> 01:34:46,559 Speaker 1: will continue. So if you're listening and you want to 1733 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,200 Speaker 1: reach out, please do t a c at the mediator 1734 01:34:49,240 --> 01:34:53,640 Speaker 1: dot com. Al Right, guys, we'll see tomorrow. By The 1735 01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,000 Speaker 1: Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien is a part of the 1736 01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:59,200 Speaker 1: Meat Eater podcast network. It is produced by Kringe Schneider, 1737 01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:03,480 Speaker 1: an engineer by Phil Taylor. You can find it on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, 1738 01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,920 Speaker 1: the meat Eater dot com, or anywhere podcasts are downloadable 1739 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:10,000 Speaker 1: wherever you listen leave a five star review and subscribe. 1740 01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,920 Speaker 1: Phil Um, what's your guilty pleasure? Quarantine pleasure? I was 1741 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:21,120 Speaker 1: just talking about double stuff Oreos. I just housed six 1742 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:23,240 Speaker 1: of them in a big mug of milk at to 1743 01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:27,560 Speaker 1: forty in the PM. Oh you know what, I uh, 1744 01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:31,800 Speaker 1: I got myself a bag of these um hazel nuts 1745 01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:36,680 Speaker 1: spread Eminem's because they can't legally say new Tella. But 1746 01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:40,519 Speaker 1: let me tell you they they are not new Tella. 1747 01:35:40,600 --> 01:35:43,960 Speaker 1: They don't hold a candle to new Tella. There's hardly 1748 01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:46,920 Speaker 1: even taste like hazel nut, honestly, and I'm frankly, I'm 1749 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,880 Speaker 1: I'm disappointed. Yeah, no, I'm pissed. I'm gonna be writing 1750 01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,280 Speaker 1: a strongly worded letter not a Eminem's are not a 1751 01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:54,519 Speaker 1: sponsor of the show, nor will they be allowed on 1752 01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:59,360 Speaker 1: this program to they discontinue this dogshit hazel eminem thing. Joe, 1753 01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,360 Speaker 1: do you are you a double stuff single stuff? To 1754 01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:03,559 Speaker 1: mega stuff? To Oreo guy? What's going on over there? 1755 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:07,160 Speaker 1: I like the double stuff Oreos? Good? Thank God, thank 1756 01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:09,720 Speaker 1: God bringing some sense to this world. You're always You're 1757 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,479 Speaker 1: always a voice of reason in troubled times. Don't try 1758 01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:15,400 Speaker 1: to be I try to be alright, double stuff for life,