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Speaker 1: Mcclub and the poll question for the Final hour is,
Speaker 1: by the way, Thursday Night football, the Browns will be
Speaker 1: without Baker Mayfield and it'll be case Keenum getting the
Speaker 1: start against the Broncos. Okay, last hour was do you
Speaker 1: think Ben Simmons will ever play again for the seventy
Speaker 1: six ers? Sixty four percent and said no. We're debating
Speaker 1: on this side of the glass. Now that betting is legal,
Speaker 1: who would you bet on to win the NBA title?
Speaker 1: The hook is that the Lakers and the Nets are
Speaker 1: still favored over the Bucks, and then the Warriors are four. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Nets are still big favorites, then the Lakers and
Speaker 1: the Bucks and then the Warriors. I would probably go
Speaker 1: with the Bucks right now, just because of the odds
Speaker 1: that I get, plus I have a team that basically
Speaker 1: brought back everybody. I'm not sure about the Lakers, I
Speaker 1: won't be sure until January, probably at the earliest. The Nets,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That'll be a work in progress. It
Speaker 1: feels like the entire year based on what happens with Kyrie.
Speaker 1: Now they do have names, but right now they're just names.
Speaker 1: You know, that roster has a lot of star power,
Speaker 1: they just don't have a lot of stars there. You know,
Speaker 1: you know the names, but that doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 1: going to be able to produce at a high level
Speaker 1: and a good level, a consistent level. But you do
Speaker 1: have k Do who I think will be the MVP,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know James Harden, but last night I
Speaker 1: didn't expect much out of him. You know, it's Milwaukee
Speaker 1: with the ring ceremony, and I figured that they would
Speaker 1: be hyped up. And Janie looked great again last night,
Speaker 1: thirty two points fourteen rebounds, his ninety eighth regular season
Speaker 1: double double since the start of the twenty nineteen season,
Speaker 1: tied for the second most among active players. Only The
Speaker 1: Joker has more stat of the day, saut of the day,
Speaker 1: bust out of the day, stat of the day? Here
Speaker 1: comes that? What stat of the day? Uh? So we
Speaker 1: have the news with the Cleveland Browns with Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: It's his left shoulder that I don't know separated or
Speaker 1: it's a partially torn laborum. But either way, this is
Speaker 1: a memo to all quarterbacks. You're not invincible. If you
Speaker 1: throw an interception, you don't have to make the tackle,
Speaker 1: you don't have to try to scramble and get an
Speaker 1: extra yard. There lived to see another day, another play,
Speaker 1: and the Cleveland Browns season could be hanging in the
Speaker 1: balance here with Baker Mayfield with that injury because unless
Speaker 1: he has surgery, that's not going to repair itself. As
Speaker 1: a proud member of I had my laborm cut on
Speaker 1: I can tell you even now having my laborm cut
Speaker 1: on a couple of years ago. It's still not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. Even raising my arm up as I am now,
Speaker 1: if you're listening on radio, still brings pain. Whenever you
Speaker 1: have shoulder surgery. Now this is his left shoulder. Whenever
Speaker 1: a quarterback has shoulder surgery. I have big concern because
Speaker 1: it's not in exact science. They've got hips down, even
Speaker 1: replacement knees down when it comes to your shoulder and
Speaker 1: tightening it up. I told this story that I have
Speaker 1: a friend who is a police officer and he had
Speaker 1: to go back in to take his test. He had
Speaker 1: torn his uh rotator cup and he couldn't actually bring
Speaker 1: his gun up to go back to take you know,
Speaker 1: do the shooting target practice. And he had to somehow
Speaker 1: pass the test. But he said, I couldn't lift my
Speaker 1: arm because they had tightened his shoulder. His labroom too tight.
Speaker 1: And he said, imagine being a police officer and you can't.
Speaker 1: He couldn't lift it. He somehow passed. I don't know
Speaker 1: how he passed, but he said, you know, it's crazy
Speaker 1: that you go in and then you come out and
Speaker 1: you go, Okay, I just had surgery and it's too
Speaker 1: tight even now. I mean, I still have discomfort in there,
Speaker 1: and it's been probably I don't know, four or five
Speaker 1: years since I had this thing cut on. You know,
Speaker 1: here's Baker. It's going to be his left shoulder, but
Speaker 1: there's no guarantee that. It's like, you know, when they
Speaker 1: say successful surgery, that doesn't that doesn't mean that. Everybody
Speaker 1: who has surgery it's like successful. You never hear somebody
Speaker 1: say unsuccessful surgery. People have that all the time. Yeah, Polly,
Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a calculator risk by the
Speaker 1: Brown said, Baker made it sound like he was playing yesterday.
Speaker 1: That's the tone, and everyone thought he was. But they
Speaker 1: could maybe squeak out a win versus Denver, the backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: and then you're giving because it's a Thursday night game,
Speaker 1: you're giving Baker two whole weeks to rest up. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to matter with an injury
Speaker 1: like that, because he got hurt in the game against
Speaker 1: the Cardinals where he was brought down and landed on
Speaker 1: that shoulder, it's going to be there the entire year.
Speaker 1: Yeah mcglub Yeah, popped out twice again. Yes, that's a
Speaker 1: weird part. Poppy out sounds horrible. Yeah, it's it's not
Speaker 1: the popping out. It's when they pop it back in.
Speaker 1: But it's not his throwing shoulder. But still that will
Speaker 1: be with you the entire season. And yesterday he was,
Speaker 1: you know, talking tough, like, hey, I'm gonna be there.
Speaker 1: In fact, here's Baker Mayfield yesterday. Only I know how
Speaker 1: my body feels. And if anyone questions whether you know,
Speaker 1: I'm hindering the team and going out they're injured, that's
Speaker 1: just not right. So it's my decision. I get to say,
Speaker 1: you know, whether I'm able to play or not, and
Speaker 1: that's just how it is. Okay, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's how it is, but yes, you can question if
Speaker 1: he would hinder the team if he went out there
Speaker 1: and he's injured. But look, being a tough guy, although
Speaker 1: we admire it, doesn't mean it's always the best thing.
Speaker 1: You know, Kurt Gibson could have struck out Willis Reid
Speaker 1: could have been dominated by Wilt Chamberlain in the NBA Finals.
Speaker 1: We look at those of you go, you gotta be
Speaker 1: a tough guy and you gotta play. You know, Jack
Speaker 1: Youngblood playing with a broken leg in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: a t o playing with a broken leg. Like those
Speaker 1: things worked out that they played well, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: always work out. You can be a hindrance to a team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the club. I see a story with the Browns
Speaker 1: a lot that Baker Mayfield and Nodell Beckham don't have chemistry,
Speaker 1: that their timing always seems to be a little bit off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they don't get together, it's the ceiling lower for
Speaker 1: this team. I mean, if Baker comes back, I don't
Speaker 1: think they need O'Dell Beckham. They're a running team. Okay,
Speaker 1: they got injuries up front and they're running backs. But
Speaker 1: if you said I could have a healthy Nick Chubb
Speaker 1: or a healthy O'Dell Beckham, I'll take Nick Chubb every day.
Speaker 1: But if you have those running backs, you know it.
Speaker 1: I thought that Baker Mayfield try to get Odell Beckham
Speaker 1: involved to the detriment of the team last year, and
Speaker 1: I said that they were a running team. If you
Speaker 1: want to do play action, great and the run will
Speaker 1: help you with that. But they're not an explosive I mean,
Speaker 1: Baker's not running Oklahoma's offense anymore. You know, they don't
Speaker 1: let him go out there and just sling it all
Speaker 1: over the field. There's a reason why they built this
Speaker 1: team the way they did. And I said it a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago. I would trade Odell Beckham if
Speaker 1: I thought I could really get something in return. I
Speaker 1: don't know what the market is because we were fascinated
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham because of one catch other than that
Speaker 1: hadn't done anything been injured. But you know, we have
Speaker 1: this fascination because he's a thing. He demands that you click.
Speaker 1: But Odell Beckham, you know they're Jarvis Landry has been
Speaker 1: injured as well. He's to me more important to that offense.
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham is a fascinating town, but the keyword is fascinating.
Speaker 1: He gives you really high highs, but then there's the
Speaker 1: low lows there. And I would really consider if there's
Speaker 1: a market for him. You know, what could you get
Speaker 1: for Odell Beckham if I get that salary off the books?
Speaker 1: He's just too inconsistent. There's he's still living in the
Speaker 1: past of what happens happened with the Giants, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he's ever fully embraced that you're a clear
Speaker 1: Brown as much as he keeps reliving what happened with
Speaker 1: the Giants and maybe he's not doing it anymore. But
Speaker 1: you can watch a Browns game and you don't even
Speaker 1: hear his name called. I mean, he's got fourteen catches. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that means Baker is going I'm
Speaker 1: not going to throw it to him now because I
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to zero in on him, and
Speaker 1: therefore I don't see the whole field. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but there's been a lot of Hey, this is happening,
Speaker 1: this could be happening, this appears to be. I have
Speaker 1: no idea other than I think they're a better team
Speaker 1: when they run the football and then they set up
Speaker 1: play action pass and then they play great defense. I
Speaker 1: mean that that would be the style that you would
Speaker 1: you would want them to run. I think they're not
Speaker 1: a let's sling it. You know, they're not a Dallas offense.
Speaker 1: They're not a Kansas City offense. They're a little bit
Speaker 1: more old school, and I know Baker doesn't have that personality.
Speaker 1: Baker has the personality if I want to throw it
Speaker 1: thirty five times, I want to win games. You know,
Speaker 1: we want to be a passing attack. I just don't
Speaker 1: think that's how they're successful. Yeah, point It's really stinks.
Speaker 1: I Beer Browns fan. It's obvious, but like you went
Speaker 1: in this season, it felt like everything was there. The
Speaker 1: defense is fantastic, and Myles Garrett's at his peak, and
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, maybe it'll be better in six
Speaker 1: weeks when everyone's back, if everyone's back, but it feels
Speaker 1: I would be distraught right now. You just don't want
Speaker 1: it to get too far out of hand. If Baltimore
Speaker 1: is legit, you don't want separation there. The Bengals are
Speaker 1: not a pushover Steelers. We still don't know. Bengals have
Speaker 1: Baltimore in Baltimore coming up, so if you're Cleveland, you
Speaker 1: just sort of have to stay in the mix there.
Speaker 1: But every team has injuries and we're you know, six
Speaker 1: seven weeks in the quarterback success can be fleeting. We
Speaker 1: know that Jared Goff took the Rams to the super Bowl,
Speaker 1: so this week he goes back to LA and it
Speaker 1: feels like being a starter is a precarious position for
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. We've seen this before. Blake Bortles almost took
Speaker 1: the Jags to the super Bowl. He can't even get
Speaker 1: a backup job. You got Mitchell Trubisky, Sam Darnold Carson Wentz.
Speaker 1: Darnald and Wentz in the middle of their second shot.
Speaker 1: Same with Jamis Winston in New Orleans, and maybe Trubisky
Speaker 1: gets another shot. But Jared Goff feels like he could
Speaker 1: be one and done in Detroit. He wants to show
Speaker 1: what the Rams are missing out on or what they
Speaker 1: should regret. But it's not going to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: the Lions. How about just pick up a victory here?
Speaker 1: And that's a tough assignment against his former team. They're
Speaker 1: double digit favorites here. And if I'm the Rams, I
Speaker 1: want to see Jared Goff because you know Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if Dan Campbell's actually going to
Speaker 1: sit him when he says we need to shake some
Speaker 1: things up here. What does that mean? Ucy starts with quarterback?
Speaker 1: You're gonna shake things up or you're gonna fire somebody.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen or heard anything yet with Dan Campbell,
Speaker 1: but gonna shake it up? Are you actually gonna bench
Speaker 1: Jared Goff? Jeff and Detroit Speaking of the Lions height, Jeff, Wow,
Speaker 1: talk about the intro? Hey, Dan, what's going on? You
Speaker 1: guys were talking about delivering babies. They got a quick
Speaker 1: story for you. Me being a police officer, I sneak
Speaker 1: out my district to go get this pizza from downtown.
Speaker 1: All my way back, I say, I'm gonna take what
Speaker 1: would avenue cruising up? What would I knew? No traffic? Right,
Speaker 1: get told over from some ladies that are young, and
Speaker 1: we paul ladies having a baby inside the crack. Thank
Speaker 1: god it was the registered nurse buying by at that time.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there with the pizza. My supervisors are
Speaker 1: polls up. I'm thinking, you know, I just helped deliver
Speaker 1: a baby. Blah blah blah. MS is on the way.
Speaker 1: We got everything present care. The only thing he does
Speaker 1: is reaches in the car and say, next time you
Speaker 1: preside to be a stout board, do it on young time.
Speaker 1: This is our pizza drift off. Listen to Detroit Brillons
Speaker 1: win a game before the Arizona Cardinals lose. And another
Speaker 1: question for you, who needed that victory verse on Sunday,
Speaker 1: Jacksonville or the Raiders. All right, thank you, Jeff. I
Speaker 1: would say Jacksonville because I don't know how many opportunities
Speaker 1: they're going to get to win games. But the Raiders
Speaker 1: are a better team. But I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: one of those they salvaged their seat. You know, John
Speaker 1: Gruden's gone, and now you win a game and you
Speaker 1: know they're supposed to win that game. They should win
Speaker 1: that game Jacksonville, and they're not supposed to win any games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a club. Did you give too much of a
Speaker 1: pass to Peter Schreeger for saying Derek Carr is a
Speaker 1: strong possibility for MVP? That struck us as really hot?
Speaker 1: I think he said that his third pick for MV
Speaker 1: he was Derek Carr. Peter Schreger the NFL Network yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he said it's a dark horse. Watch out for
Speaker 1: Derek car to make a move on this. No, no,
Speaker 1: he's not. He's not making a move. This feels like
Speaker 1: that team. Well he left down Kyler Murray. I said,
Speaker 1: you left out the guy who's quarterbacking the only undefeated
Speaker 1: team right now, over Derek Carr. Yeah, Derek Carr on
Speaker 1: pace for fifty two hundred yards, twenty seven touchdowns, eleven picks.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna do it. No, it's not no offense.
Speaker 1: I'm a carist, you know, Yeah, you are a carst
Speaker 1: What happens first, Cardinals lose. Lions went. I'd have to
Speaker 1: look at the schedule there, McLevin, Why don't you look
Speaker 1: at that. We'll take a break. Bob Costas, who join
Speaker 1: is coming up, but I guess I would go the
Speaker 1: Cardinals are gonna lose. I don't see the Lions unless
Speaker 1: somebody comes to town. Does Jacksonville come to down? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Paul Oh, the Lions have the Rams in Philly and
Speaker 1: a bye week which they cannot lose. Okay, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota, Denver,
Speaker 1: all right, Cardinals have the Texans this week. Okay, it
Speaker 1: should be okay. Then Thursday night against the Packers in Arizona.
Speaker 1: That is fun. Then they go to the Niners hosts,
Speaker 1: the Panthers go to the Seahawks, go to the Bears.
Speaker 1: So is the im Packers game? Yeah, all right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break here. Bob Constas will join us. Coming
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Speaker 1: and Stefan Diggs might be your winner. I heard a
Speaker 1: trivia question dark course winner. Yes, the last They both
Speaker 1: had touchdowns last week. Trayvon and Stefan one on defense,
Speaker 1: one and off It's a last brother pair to do
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Speaker 1: one on defense. There's no way that that anybody will
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Speaker 1: that you liked Vernon Davis. And do you remember his
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Speaker 1: he had a touchdown with the Dolphins in two thousand.
Speaker 1: Ye I didn't know they were brothers. Didn't Vante Davis
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Speaker 1: we did that story, right, he quit? He quit it halftime.
Speaker 1: That's Vernon David's brother. Like, there's part of me that
Speaker 1: respects where you go. You know what, I'm done with football.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quit it halftime. Okay, we have a game
Speaker 1: before Bob cost just joins us. Paulie, give us the
Speaker 1: ground rule. This is the what will Bob cost Us
Speaker 1: say game? I think we have music for it, not um.
Speaker 1: The question is, are you in favor of seeing an automated,
Speaker 1: digitized whatever strike zone and lieu of the current umpire. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go first. All right, Bob will say something like,
Speaker 1: while it's obviously gonna inevitable, I'm old school and against
Speaker 1: it because I love the nuance of the game. I'm
Speaker 1: not a verbosas Bob. Okay, Uh Fritzie, there is no
Speaker 1: way I can roll with that. That's what Bob says. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh oh, roll with that? All right. Mclovin, what's Bob Costs? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think he thinks it'll interrupt the flow of the
Speaker 1: game too much. All right, But how do you think
Speaker 1: Bob's you know, states then he said, there's a rich
Speaker 1: tapestry of balls and strikes and this will unwind that
Speaker 1: fabric or threat. Okay, thank you, Seaton. I think he's
Speaker 1: actually going to take a much more progressive approach. And
Speaker 1: I can't say that the word exactly what he'll use,
Speaker 1: but the word inevitable, absolutely it's being used. He's he's
Speaker 1: I think he's in favor of it, though kicking and
Speaker 1: screaming might also be used. MLB on TBS Nationally Championship
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Speaker 1: As we welcome in the great Bob Costas. Bob, how
Speaker 1: would you answer that question? You know, I thought that
Speaker 1: each of your patriots had an excellent point, and I
Speaker 1: do believe, given the trend that we're now observing, that
Speaker 1: it is inevitable that there will be some sort of
Speaker 1: electronic balls and strikes within our lifetime if I live
Speaker 1: another X number of years. But yet, as was pointed out,
Speaker 1: there is a rich tapestry to the game, Dan, and
Speaker 1: I appreciate all of those nuances, the little subtleties of
Speaker 1: a catcher framing a pitch to make a borderline ball
Speaker 1: appear to be a strike, a pitcher working the zone
Speaker 1: figuring out what that particular plate umpire has as his
Speaker 1: strike zone that day, Can I go an inch further
Speaker 1: off either corner? And so, yes, well, it is inevitable
Speaker 1: it will be a blow to the game and to
Speaker 1: its connection to generational history. That's my answer, Dan, because
Speaker 1: that's what your guys want my answer to be. But
Speaker 1: I wonder, though, Bob, we have the technology, but we
Speaker 1: want the umpires to get every other call right, But
Speaker 1: when it comes to the strike zone, we're okay with
Speaker 1: it being loosely interpreted. Why. Yeah, Like yesterday, for example,
Speaker 1: it looked like it looked like Walker Bueller had Jack
Speaker 1: Peterson with strike three. The replay clearly showed the ball
Speaker 1: had the corner. It was an O two pitch, would
Speaker 1: have been strike three. The at back continued, he got
Speaker 1: a base hit. It was part of a scoring inning
Speaker 1: for the Braves. You're right, we want everything down to
Speaker 1: the micro millimeter in every other call where replay is allowed,
Speaker 1: it's not allowed by the way on check swings. And
Speaker 1: we saw how that happened the last pitch of the
Speaker 1: game in Game five in the Division Series between the
Speaker 1: Giants and the Dodgers. I guess the resistance with balls
Speaker 1: and strikes is whether or not they really believe that
Speaker 1: an electronic strike zone is infallible. And there are some
Speaker 1: arguments about the depth of the strike zone and whether
Speaker 1: we can exactly get a guy's stance. What if the
Speaker 1: guy's stance changes, he goes into more of a crowd's
Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, the break of the pitch,
Speaker 1: can technology perfectly capture that to where Okay, the plate
Speaker 1: umpire is ninety eight percent accurate, but can the I'm
Speaker 1: making that figure up, But let's say that's the figure
Speaker 1: ninety eight percent accurate, and electronically, if we're only ninety
Speaker 1: nine percent accurate? Is that worth it? And I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure that I'm as up as I should be
Speaker 1: on all the aspects of this to be able to
Speaker 1: say that they've gotten it to the point where an
Speaker 1: electronic balls and strikes approach will be infallible. What was
Speaker 1: the mood infallible? If it's infallible, it's inevitable. What was
Speaker 1: the mood like prior to Cody Bellinger's home run? Last night?
Speaker 1: Dodger Stadium was about as quiet as fifty thousand people
Speaker 1: can be. You heard murmurs rather than cheers. A few
Speaker 1: brave souls tried to get a Let's go Dodgers chant going,
Speaker 1: and it went nowhere. When Will Smith and Aj Pollock
Speaker 1: got hits and brought Bellinger to the plate, then the
Speaker 1: place came alive. And when he connected, it changed from
Speaker 1: a morgan into a madhouse, just like that. And what
Speaker 1: is it about Bellinger? You know, Mike used to be
Speaker 1: the Mendoza line was the embarrassing number at two hundred
Speaker 1: and he's bat one sixty five during the season, but
Speaker 1: seventh inning on in the postseason, he's become a different hitter.
Speaker 1: What has gotten into Bellinger? Well, you know he's He's
Speaker 1: had excellent regular seasons previously. In this season there was
Speaker 1: a combination of things injuries, and then he couldn't get untracked,
Speaker 1: and now I guess he's just feeling it. What was
Speaker 1: really interesting the home run yesterday that he hit off
Speaker 1: Luke Jackson. That pitch was up, and usually the book
Speaker 1: with Bellinger is if you're gonna miss, miss up because
Speaker 1: he has that extreme uppercut swing and he'll just lash
Speaker 1: a low pitch out of the park. And somehow he
Speaker 1: got on top of the pitch that probably was above
Speaker 1: the strike zone and hit a four hundred feet what's
Speaker 1: the biggest storyline so far the postseason? Well, I think
Speaker 1: one of them would be if the Braves who are
Speaker 1: still up despite the fact that the momentum seems to
Speaker 1: have changed. The Braves are up two games to one.
Speaker 1: The biggest storyline could be that if we ever didn't
Speaker 1: realize it, we realize it now. This is a tournament
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty two games to get there, but
Speaker 1: already the team that won the most one hundred and
Speaker 1: seven is out. Didn't even get to one step from
Speaker 1: the World Series. Out close series with the Dodgers, but
Speaker 1: out the Dodgers won one hundred and six. They could
Speaker 1: very well be out the Braves, let's say, could make
Speaker 1: it to the World Series. Eighty eight wins was the
Speaker 1: fewest for any division winner, and the Red could very well.
Speaker 1: As a team that barely qualified as a wild card,
Speaker 1: the Red Sox could very well be their opponent. The
Speaker 1: old saying in sports, it's not so much who you play,
Speaker 1: it's when you play him. It's a long season. The
Speaker 1: way pitching staffs are used now, with openers and starters
Speaker 1: being applauded for giving you four solid innings, it's just
Speaker 1: a different game than it used to be, and more
Speaker 1: so than ever, especially with two wild cards, and maybe
Speaker 1: in the future there'll be more wild cards than that.
Speaker 1: The postseason is just a roll of the dice. How
Speaker 1: do you think history is going to treat Jose l
Speaker 1: tbe the longer his career goes and the better he performs.
Speaker 1: It's a good question. But the longer his career goes,
Speaker 1: the better he performs, the further it is in the
Speaker 1: rearview mirror. I think, on balance, it'll treat him kindly.
Speaker 1: Carlos Carea said recently that Jose was somebody who did
Speaker 1: not want to hear the banging on the trash can
Speaker 1: that he did not benefit from that. But then there's
Speaker 1: the image of him coming around third after hitting that
Speaker 1: series winning homer offer all this Chapman and he appears
Speaker 1: to be clutching his jersey and he's yelling at his teammates,
Speaker 1: don't rip my jersey off, And that led to speculation
Speaker 1: that there was some kind of wire on him. So,
Speaker 1: if Carlos is correct, maybe al Tuve was an innocent
Speaker 1: spectator who just didn't spill the beans because of the
Speaker 1: code of Omerta. But if the thing about wearing a
Speaker 1: wire is true, and if we ever get a definitive
Speaker 1: answer to that, that could change the picture. But I
Speaker 1: think that generally speaking, people's memories, outside of those who
Speaker 1: feel that they were directly burned by the Astros Dodgers
Speaker 1: fans from twenty seventeen whatever, I think most will be
Speaker 1: forgiving because he's a terrific player and from all indications
Speaker 1: he seems to be a very nice guy. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Shulis Joe Jackson maintained he never took any money and
Speaker 1: he hit three seventy five, But yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: he's paid. The price is well obviously Bart for the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, never going to get in. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he was actually people don't realize this. He was actually
Speaker 1: on the ballot in the early days of the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. He was on the ballot, never got enough support.
Speaker 1: He died in nineteen fifty. He was still technically eligible
Speaker 1: for Veterans committees until in nineteen ninety one, two years
Speaker 1: after Pete Rose was banned by Bartjamadi, the Board of
Speaker 1: Director of the Hall of Fame put in a rule
Speaker 1: it said anybody who's on the permanently ineligible list is
Speaker 1: not eligible for the ballot. And that was obviously aimed
Speaker 1: directly at Pete Rose, since at that point Joe Jackson
Speaker 1: had been dead for more than forty years, you know,
Speaker 1: and he's just an aside. I'm not a moralist on this.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked with you about this before, Dan,
Speaker 1: but my dad was an inveterate gambler of the Geisendaals
Speaker 1: Damon Runyon School. He bet with guy's name Blinkie and Finger,
Speaker 1: who undoubtedly were connected to the mob. And this is
Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties, and very often the mortgage wrote
Speaker 1: on whether he would win his bets or lose his bets.
Speaker 1: So I'm not being a moralist about this. But within
Speaker 1: the last decade, every Commissioner of Baseball has testified before
Speaker 1: Congress that legalized gambling would be the end of sports
Speaker 1: as we know. It would be the worst thing it
Speaker 1: could ever happen. And now there's so much money available
Speaker 1: they can't turn their backs on it. And not only
Speaker 1: do they embrace it, they promote it. And yet Pete Rose,
Speaker 1: who's in his eighties and you wouldn't want to defend
Speaker 1: in every respect as a person. Am not going to
Speaker 1: defend everything he did in baseball or outside baseball. He
Speaker 1: never did anything so far as the evidence, we have,
Speaker 1: never did anything that undermined the integrity of the competition
Speaker 1: as much as those who are still in the game
Speaker 1: and have been suspended. But every turn, those who were
Speaker 1: on the Hall of Fame ballot, whether they get elected
Speaker 1: or not. Here he is on the outside looking in.
Speaker 1: How can this be made any more absurd? What would
Speaker 1: the harm be if Pete Rose went on the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame ballot or was eligible before a veterans committee.
Speaker 1: And if he's on the ballot, the clock should start
Speaker 1: from zero. He was never on the clock, So you
Speaker 1: should get ten years on that ballot if you want
Speaker 1: to do it that way, or make him, given his age,
Speaker 1: immediately eligible for Veterans Committee considerations. And if people want
Speaker 1: to hold the gambling against him in light of all
Speaker 1: the present realities and in light of all the comparisons
Speaker 1: to other people within baseball and their misdeeds, let them
Speaker 1: do it, but at least let him be considered. Well,
Speaker 1: I just wonder, and I've talked to the previous commissioner
Speaker 1: about this of further evidence, did Pete bett when he
Speaker 1: was playing, which I believe he was betting when he
Speaker 1: was playing, and we know that he bet when he
Speaker 1: was managing, And he said, well, and years ago he
Speaker 1: told me and Keith over and I bet on my
Speaker 1: team to win. Well, you can manipulate the lineup to
Speaker 1: help you win, and I don't. Can you separate Pete
Speaker 1: as the manager betting on baseball with just Pete as
Speaker 1: the player? And maybe we don't have as much evidence
Speaker 1: there that I could. I put him in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame because he was a Hall of Fame player,
Speaker 1: and you know, punish him by keeping him out of
Speaker 1: baseball because of what he did as a manager. Is
Speaker 1: it fair to split him up like that? Well, in
Speaker 1: the big picture, I think you can. You can temper
Speaker 1: justice with mercy people who've committed heinous crimes. And I
Speaker 1: realized as an apple apples and oranges aspect here, But
Speaker 1: people who have committed heinous crimes get paroled in less
Speaker 1: time than this. And we know that if Pete Rose
Speaker 1: lives to be a hundred in the first paragraph of
Speaker 1: his obituary will be the fact that he bet on
Speaker 1: baseball and was banned for baseball from baseball because of it.
Speaker 1: The price that he is paid in his life and
Speaker 1: in his legacy is enormous, So you know you could
Speaker 1: take that into account. I would think by the way,
Speaker 1: I asked a Rob Men for that question about five
Speaker 1: years ago, is there anything in that Baseball has on
Speaker 1: Pete Rose that the public does not know about? You
Speaker 1: don't even have to specify it, but is there something
Speaker 1: beyond the public understanding that leads Baseball to say to say, no,
Speaker 1: this is a non starter. And his answer to that
Speaker 1: was no, Yeah, our reasons are out there. We know
Speaker 1: what our reasons are. If I gave you one vote,
Speaker 1: Pete Rose, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, you know, Daniel asked
Speaker 1: such good questions. You know, I've said this before, and
Speaker 1: I said it to you. Some people with regard to
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds. Let's say Tom Berducci is one. I have
Speaker 1: great risk for Tom, he says, I don't care if
Speaker 1: you took steroids the last year of your career and
Speaker 1: you already had a record number of home runs. If
Speaker 1: you ever did it once, that's it. As far as
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. My position is a little bit more lenient
Speaker 1: than that. When you talk about Clements and especially Bonds,
Speaker 1: you're talking about people who are on the shortlist of
Speaker 1: the greatest of the great. If you shrunk the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame by eighty or ninety percent on their performing merits,
Speaker 1: they'd still be in the Hall of Fame. So, you know,
Speaker 1: I could see voting for all of those guys, especially
Speaker 1: because of the price they have paid to their reputations,
Speaker 1: the amount of time that they have waited. I'd probably go.
Speaker 1: I'd probably actually go Rose Bonds, Clemons in that order,
Speaker 1: Rose Bonds, Clements, yeah, man, But with ambivalence, with ambivalence,
Speaker 1: you know, in the case of Bonds, it's a terrible shame.
Speaker 1: Barry Bonds is a very intelligent guy, and his baseball
Speaker 1: IQ is at an Einstein level, and on his natural merits,
Speaker 1: he'd be in the discussion of the dozen or so
Speaker 1: greatest all around non pitchers who ever played. And think
Speaker 1: how much better his legacy would be outside San Francisco,
Speaker 1: where they love him seemingly unconditionally. But think how much
Speaker 1: better his legacy would be if he had hit five
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy five career home runs, you know, hit
Speaker 1: two ninety five lifetime one, all the gold gloves, had
Speaker 1: all the great seasons. He'd be in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and he'd be he'd be close to universally respected and admired.
Speaker 1: And when Barry Bonds wants to sit with someone and
Speaker 1: talk with them, he's so engaging. He has that beautiful smile.
Speaker 1: People who know him well talk about his charitable acts
Speaker 1: and how and how engaging he can be. But he
Speaker 1: did play a good portion of his career with a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder because of the mistreatment that his
Speaker 1: dad had received and because of some of what he
Speaker 1: saw Willie Mays go through earlier in his career. Although
Speaker 1: now Willie is beloved by everyone, so there was a
Speaker 1: chip on his shoulder, and a lot of that was
Speaker 1: projected to the media. But so what. Had he never
Speaker 1: used steroids, had he never turned baseball into a video
Speaker 1: game and distorted the competition, all of that would have
Speaker 1: been a mere footnote, and he'd now be at the
Speaker 1: top of the Hall of Fame pyramid. It's a shame.
Speaker 1: I remember asking him about all of this information that
Speaker 1: you know, he is, you know, baseball IQ, and I said,
Speaker 1: do you share this information with your teammates? And he goes, no,
Speaker 1: because one day they could be my opponent on my teammate.
Speaker 1: Oh god, wow, Okay, yeah wow, yeah, because tonight we're teammates. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but tomorrow we might not share it. During the World Series, yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to win the World Series. We'll have fun tonight. Bob,
Speaker 1: it's great to talk to you, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: As always, take Bob cost Us. It'll be joined by
Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez, Jimmy Rollins, Curtis Granderson, pre and post game
Speaker 1: that's on TBS, the home of the National League Championship
Speaker 1: Series and Game four coverage tonight in Los Angeles, seven
Speaker 1: thirty Eastern, four thirty pm Pacific. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: agree with him on Pete Rose. Pete has benefited far
Speaker 1: more by not being in the Hall of Fame than
Speaker 1: being in the Hall of Fame. Like he is cashed
Speaker 1: in on this. He's infamous. If he went into the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, nobody would care about Pete Rose. They wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But people still do, and people have strong opinions about it.
Speaker 1: But as the Cincinnati native, soft spot in my heart
Speaker 1: loved the way he played, but I just can't put
Speaker 1: him in. Do I think that he gambled on games
Speaker 1: when he was a player? I do because I used
Speaker 1: to bet through one of his bookies, not the main one,
Speaker 1: but the secondary one. When he couldn't get in a
Speaker 1: bet with this one guy in Cincinnati, he would bet
Speaker 1: through my bookie, And so I knew what Pete was doing,
Speaker 1: or at least I could find out because I wasn't
Speaker 1: in the business back there, and my bookie I could
Speaker 1: just say, because he would always say, you know something
Speaker 1: about you know what Pete was betting on? He would
Speaker 1: tell me, and I'd always go the other way. So
Speaker 1: I figured, if I's going to win money, I had
Speaker 1: to go the other way from Pete. So do I
Speaker 1: think he was betting as a player yes, I do,
Speaker 1: and I just can't put him in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Great player, wonderful player, but uh and I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: bonds in Clemens in there either. And I would give
Speaker 1: Shulis Joe Jackson consideration because he hit three seventy five
Speaker 1: in a World Series that he supposedly took money to fix.
Speaker 1: Imagine if he wasn't trying to fix it, he would
Speaker 1: have hit four hundred. Take a break. Last call for
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Speaker 1: have been his birthday today. It still is birthday today
Speaker 1: would have been seventy one years of age learning to fly.
Speaker 1: But I ain't gun Wings great guitar player, though Mike
Speaker 1: Campbell great created all those great riffs with Petty. Thank God,
Speaker 1: my wife bought me tickets to go see Petty before
Speaker 1: he died. Uh, he's just he's one of those artists.
Speaker 1: He's like I've never seen Neil Young in concert, and
Speaker 1: I haven't seen Bob Seeger and hopefully I'll get a
Speaker 1: chance to do that. Yes, you're kind of treading on
Speaker 1: Paul's territory here with this, but I know Paul just
Speaker 1: found Tom Petty. He was just listening to Tom Petty,
Speaker 1: like last week. I kind of thought that was my guy. Like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: he's not, he's not mine. I'm just saying I'm glad
Speaker 1: I I Paul came in one day. I think he
Speaker 1: was driving to Vermont or Rhode Island and he goes, oh, man,
Speaker 1: Tom Petty is so great, and I go, yeah, I've
Speaker 1: been a fan. My whole life. But then I started
Speaker 1: a listening like Deeper Cuts, and it was good. It
Speaker 1: feels like it feels like you're you're you want to
Speaker 1: make Tom Petty yours. Well, the first time I heard him,
Speaker 1: I was in Los Angeles. We're in like, and I
Speaker 1: always thought the first five years, I thought he was
Speaker 1: from California because I saw I'm on a billboard on
Speaker 1: the Sunset Strip. I was eleven years old and American
Speaker 1: girl was on and all that stuff. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: he must be like a surfer guy from Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: I had no ideas from Florida. Well, I remember in
Speaker 1: college I was playing Damn the Torpedoes, you know with
Speaker 1: Tom Petty your lava lamp. Yeah, Tom Petty, Damn the Torpedoes. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's see. Get a couple of phone calls in here,
Speaker 1: Brandy and Iowa's back. Hi Brandy, Hey Dan, Happy Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you you two. Hey. I wanted to
Speaker 1: preface the sharafing challenge out to the dan Netts, but
Speaker 1: this is not a knee jerk reaction after Game one
Speaker 1: last night, because I've been embarrassed on this type of
Speaker 1: roster construction since Peyton and Malone joined the Lakers in
Speaker 1: the three oh four to to try to go out
Speaker 1: or a ring. But I would challenge a Danette that
Speaker 1: I will set the win total at forty nine and
Speaker 1: a half and take the under for the Lakers regular
Speaker 1: season record. I want the big playoffs finals because I
Speaker 1: don't think they get there. But I want to see
Speaker 1: if anyone thinks they're going to going to increase on
Speaker 1: that forty two win total ten less games obviously, but
Speaker 1: what is the over under with Vegas here? I think
Speaker 1: they have it at fifty two. Okay, they can look
Speaker 1: it up, but I think somewhere around fifty two. Yeah. Right,
Speaker 1: A week ago you could have got the Lakers over
Speaker 1: under win total at fifty two and a half. Okay,
Speaker 1: and you're saying you're going to put it at forty
Speaker 1: nine and a half. Yep. I don't think they'll get
Speaker 1: that magical fifty. Everyone likes that fifteen. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: want to see if anyone wants to take me up
Speaker 1: on it. Does anybody want a piece of brandy and
Speaker 1: iowa that the Lakers get at least fifty wins this
Speaker 1: year going once. I wouldn't take that because they don't
Speaker 1: really care about aspiring to win a certain amount of
Speaker 1: game in the right season. Yeah, I mclub. So we
Speaker 1: get the Lakers over fifty wins. That's a good you
Speaker 1: get them fifty well, yeah, I'm on it. Okay. So
Speaker 1: mcloven will do a pie to the face, Brandy. Sounds good,
Speaker 1: And you know I'll take one because I got my
Speaker 1: pie in the face last week as well. So we'll
Speaker 1: talk again in April May thank you, Brandy. Yes, you
Speaker 1: know there's a Twitter feed that keeps track of all this,
Speaker 1: that of our bets so many and the callers are like,
Speaker 1: remember that bet we made seven months ago. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, It's just I have to be reminded. Sometimes
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