WEBVTT - 10/20/21 DPS Hour 3 Bob Costas

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio Final Hour on this Wednesday, Dan and the

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Stan Patrick's show Great Baseball Yesterday last night, Bob

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<v Speaker 1>Costas doing the hosting duties. He will join us. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>up Astro's Red Sox Afternoon Braves Dodgers Game four. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>up tonight Dodgers one. Last night Braves too up two

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<v Speaker 1>games to one in the series. Astro's beating the Red

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<v Speaker 1>Sox nine two. That series tied at two games a piece.

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<v Speaker 1>Mcclub and the poll question for the Final hour is,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, Thursday Night football, the Browns will be

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<v Speaker 1>without Baker Mayfield and it'll be case Keenum getting the

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<v Speaker 1>start against the Broncos. Okay, last hour was do you

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<v Speaker 1>think Ben Simmons will ever play again for the seventy

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<v Speaker 1>six ers? Sixty four percent and said no. We're debating

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<v Speaker 1>on this side of the glass. Now that betting is legal,

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<v Speaker 1>who would you bet on to win the NBA title?

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<v Speaker 1>The hook is that the Lakers and the Nets are

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<v Speaker 1>still favored over the Bucks, and then the Warriors are four. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the Nets are still big favorites, then the Lakers and

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<v Speaker 1>the Bucks and then the Warriors. I would probably go

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<v Speaker 1>with the Bucks right now, just because of the odds

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<v Speaker 1>that I get, plus I have a team that basically

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<v Speaker 1>brought back everybody. I'm not sure about the Lakers, I

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<v Speaker 1>won't be sure until January, probably at the earliest. The Nets,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. That'll be a work in progress. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like the entire year based on what happens with Kyrie.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they do have names, but right now they're just names.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that roster has a lot of star power,

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't have a lot of stars there. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know the names, but that doesn't mean that they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to produce at a high level

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<v Speaker 1>and a good level, a consistent level. But you do

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<v Speaker 1>have k Do who I think will be the MVP,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know James Harden, but last night I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't expect much out of him. You know, it's Milwaukee

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<v Speaker 1>with the ring ceremony, and I figured that they would

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<v Speaker 1>be hyped up. And Janie looked great again last night,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two points fourteen rebounds, his ninety eighth regular season

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<v Speaker 1>double double since the start of the twenty nineteen season,

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<v Speaker 1>tied for the second most among active players. Only The

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<v Speaker 1>Joker has more stat of the day, saut of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>bust out of the day, stat of the day? Here

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<v Speaker 1>comes that? What stat of the day? Uh? So we

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<v Speaker 1>have the news with the Cleveland Browns with Baker Mayfield.

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<v Speaker 1>It's his left shoulder that I don't know separated or

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<v Speaker 1>it's a partially torn laborum. But either way, this is

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<v Speaker 1>a memo to all quarterbacks. You're not invincible. If you

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<v Speaker 1>throw an interception, you don't have to make the tackle,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to try to scramble and get an

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<v Speaker 1>extra yard. There lived to see another day, another play,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Cleveland Browns season could be hanging in the

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<v Speaker 1>balance here with Baker Mayfield with that injury because unless

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<v Speaker 1>he has surgery, that's not going to repair itself. As

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<v Speaker 1>a proud member of I had my laborm cut on

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you even now having my laborm cut

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<v Speaker 1>on a couple of years ago. It's still not one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent. Even raising my arm up as I am now,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're listening on radio, still brings pain. Whenever you

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<v Speaker 1>have shoulder surgery. Now this is his left shoulder. Whenever

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<v Speaker 1>a quarterback has shoulder surgery. I have big concern because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not in exact science. They've got hips down, even

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<v Speaker 1>replacement knees down when it comes to your shoulder and

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<v Speaker 1>tightening it up. I told this story that I have

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<v Speaker 1>a friend who is a police officer and he had

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<v Speaker 1>to go back in to take his test. He had

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<v Speaker 1>torn his uh rotator cup and he couldn't actually bring

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<v Speaker 1>his gun up to go back to take you know,

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<v Speaker 1>do the shooting target practice. And he had to somehow

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<v Speaker 1>pass the test. But he said, I couldn't lift my

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<v Speaker 1>arm because they had tightened his shoulder. His labroom too tight.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, imagine being a police officer and you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't lift it. He somehow passed. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how he passed, but he said, you know, it's crazy

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<v Speaker 1>that you go in and then you come out and

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<v Speaker 1>you go, Okay, I just had surgery and it's too

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<v Speaker 1>tight even now. I mean, I still have discomfort in there,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's been probably I don't know, four or five

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<v Speaker 1>years since I had this thing cut on. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>here's Baker. It's going to be his left shoulder, but

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<v Speaker 1>there's no guarantee that. It's like, you know, when they

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<v Speaker 1>say successful surgery, that doesn't that doesn't mean that. Everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who has surgery it's like successful. You never hear somebody

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<v Speaker 1>say unsuccessful surgery. People have that all the time. Yeah, Polly,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if this is a calculator risk by the

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<v Speaker 1>Brown said, Baker made it sound like he was playing yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the tone, and everyone thought he was. But they

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<v Speaker 1>could maybe squeak out a win versus Denver, the backup quarterback,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're giving because it's a Thursday night game,

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<v Speaker 1>you're giving Baker two whole weeks to rest up. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's going to matter with an injury

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<v Speaker 1>like that, because he got hurt in the game against

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<v Speaker 1>the Cardinals where he was brought down and landed on

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<v Speaker 1>that shoulder, it's going to be there the entire year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah mcglub Yeah, popped out twice again. Yes, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>weird part. Poppy out sounds horrible. Yeah, it's it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the popping out. It's when they pop it back in.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not his throwing shoulder. But still that will

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<v Speaker 1>be with you the entire season. And yesterday he was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, talking tough, like, hey, I'm gonna be there.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, here's Baker Mayfield yesterday. Only I know how

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<v Speaker 1>my body feels. And if anyone questions whether you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hindering the team and going out they're injured, that's

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<v Speaker 1>just not right. So it's my decision. I get to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, whether I'm able to play or not, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's just how it is. Okay, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>that's how it is, but yes, you can question if

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<v Speaker 1>he would hinder the team if he went out there

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<v Speaker 1>and he's injured. But look, being a tough guy, although

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<v Speaker 1>we admire it, doesn't mean it's always the best thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Kurt Gibson could have struck out Willis Reid

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<v Speaker 1>could have been dominated by Wilt Chamberlain in the NBA Finals.

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<v Speaker 1>We look at those of you go, you gotta be

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<v Speaker 1>a tough guy and you gotta play. You know, Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Youngblood playing with a broken leg in the Super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>a t o playing with a broken leg. Like those

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<v Speaker 1>things worked out that they played well, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>always work out. You can be a hindrance to a team. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the club. I see a story with the Browns

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<v Speaker 1>a lot that Baker Mayfield and Nodell Beckham don't have chemistry,

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<v Speaker 1>that their timing always seems to be a little bit off. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if they don't get together, it's the ceiling lower for

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<v Speaker 1>this team. I mean, if Baker comes back, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they need O'Dell Beckham. They're a running team. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they got injuries up front and they're running backs. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you said I could have a healthy Nick Chubb

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<v Speaker 1>or a healthy O'Dell Beckham, I'll take Nick Chubb every day.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you have those running backs, you know it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that Baker Mayfield try to get Odell Beckham

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<v Speaker 1>involved to the detriment of the team last year, and

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<v Speaker 1>I said that they were a running team. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do play action, great and the run will

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<v Speaker 1>help you with that. But they're not an explosive I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Baker's not running Oklahoma's offense anymore. You know, they don't

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<v Speaker 1>let him go out there and just sling it all

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<v Speaker 1>over the field. There's a reason why they built this

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<v Speaker 1>team the way they did. And I said it a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks ago. I would trade Odell Beckham if

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<v Speaker 1>I thought I could really get something in return. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what the market is because we were fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>with Odell Beckham because of one catch other than that

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't done anything been injured. But you know, we have

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<v Speaker 1>this fascination because he's a thing. He demands that you click.

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<v Speaker 1>But Odell Beckham, you know they're Jarvis Landry has been

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<v Speaker 1>injured as well. He's to me more important to that offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Odell Beckham is a fascinating town, but the keyword is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>He gives you really high highs, but then there's the

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<v Speaker 1>low lows there. And I would really consider if there's

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<v Speaker 1>a market for him. You know, what could you get

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<v Speaker 1>for Odell Beckham if I get that salary off the books?

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<v Speaker 1>He's just too inconsistent. There's he's still living in the

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<v Speaker 1>past of what happens happened with the Giants, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he's ever fully embraced that you're a clear

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<v Speaker 1>Brown as much as he keeps reliving what happened with

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<v Speaker 1>the Giants and maybe he's not doing it anymore. But

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<v Speaker 1>you can watch a Browns game and you don't even

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<v Speaker 1>hear his name called. I mean, he's got fourteen catches. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that means Baker is going I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to throw it to him now because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't want to zero in on him, and

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<v Speaker 1>therefore I don't see the whole field. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's been a lot of Hey, this is happening,

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<v Speaker 1>this could be happening, this appears to be. I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea other than I think they're a better team

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<v Speaker 1>when they run the football and then they set up

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<v Speaker 1>play action pass and then they play great defense. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that that would be the style that you would

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<v Speaker 1>you would want them to run. I think they're not

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<v Speaker 1>a let's sling it. You know, they're not a Dallas offense.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not a Kansas City offense. They're a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more old school, and I know Baker doesn't have that personality.

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<v Speaker 1>Baker has the personality if I want to throw it

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five times, I want to win games. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we want to be a passing attack. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that's how they're successful. Yeah, point It's really stinks.

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<v Speaker 1>I Beer Browns fan. It's obvious, but like you went

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<v Speaker 1>in this season, it felt like everything was there. The

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<v Speaker 1>defense is fantastic, and Myles Garrett's at his peak, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just, you know, maybe it'll be better in six

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<v Speaker 1>weeks when everyone's back, if everyone's back, but it feels

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<v Speaker 1>I would be distraught right now. You just don't want

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<v Speaker 1>it to get too far out of hand. If Baltimore

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<v Speaker 1>is legit, you don't want separation there. The Bengals are

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<v Speaker 1>not a pushover Steelers. We still don't know. Bengals have

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<v Speaker 1>Baltimore in Baltimore coming up, so if you're Cleveland, you

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of have to stay in the mix there.

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<v Speaker 1>But every team has injuries and we're you know, six

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<v Speaker 1>seven weeks in the quarterback success can be fleeting. We

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<v Speaker 1>know that Jared Goff took the Rams to the super Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>so this week he goes back to LA and it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like being a starter is a precarious position for

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Goff. We've seen this before. Blake Bortles almost took

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<v Speaker 1>the Jags to the super Bowl. He can't even get

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<v Speaker 1>a backup job. You got Mitchell Trubisky, Sam Darnold Carson Wentz.

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<v Speaker 1>Darnald and Wentz in the middle of their second shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Same with Jamis Winston in New Orleans, and maybe Trubisky

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<v Speaker 1>gets another shot. But Jared Goff feels like he could

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<v Speaker 1>be one and done in Detroit. He wants to show

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<v Speaker 1>what the Rams are missing out on or what they

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<v Speaker 1>should regret. But it's not going to happen, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Lions. How about just pick up a victory here?

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a tough assignment against his former team. They're

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<v Speaker 1>double digit favorites here. And if I'm the Rams, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see Jared Goff because you know Jared Goff,

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if Dan Campbell's actually going to

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<v Speaker 1>sit him when he says we need to shake some

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<v Speaker 1>things up here. What does that mean? Ucy starts with quarterback?

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna shake things up or you're gonna fire somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen or heard anything yet with Dan Campbell,

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<v Speaker 1>but gonna shake it up? Are you actually gonna bench

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<v Speaker 1>Jared Goff? Jeff and Detroit Speaking of the Lions height, Jeff, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the intro? Hey, Dan, what's going on? You

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<v Speaker 1>guys were talking about delivering babies. They got a quick

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<v Speaker 1>story for you. Me being a police officer, I sneak

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<v Speaker 1>out my district to go get this pizza from downtown.

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<v Speaker 1>All my way back, I say, I'm gonna take what

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<v Speaker 1>would avenue cruising up? What would I knew? No traffic? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>get told over from some ladies that are young, and

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<v Speaker 1>we paul ladies having a baby inside the crack. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>god it was the registered nurse buying by at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm sitting there with the pizza. My supervisors are

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<v Speaker 1>polls up. I'm thinking, you know, I just helped deliver

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<v Speaker 1>a baby. Blah blah blah. MS is on the way.

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<v Speaker 1>We got everything present care. The only thing he does

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<v Speaker 1>is reaches in the car and say, next time you

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<v Speaker 1>preside to be a stout board, do it on young time.

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<v Speaker 1>This is our pizza drift off. Listen to Detroit Brillons

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<v Speaker 1>win a game before the Arizona Cardinals lose. And another

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<v Speaker 1>question for you, who needed that victory verse on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 1>Jacksonville or the Raiders. All right, thank you, Jeff. I

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<v Speaker 1>would say Jacksonville because I don't know how many opportunities

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to get to win games. But the Raiders

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<v Speaker 1>are a better team. But I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those they salvaged their seat. You know, John

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<v Speaker 1>Gruden's gone, and now you win a game and you

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<v Speaker 1>know they're supposed to win that game. They should win

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<v Speaker 1>that game Jacksonville, and they're not supposed to win any games. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a club. Did you give too much of a

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<v Speaker 1>pass to Peter Schreeger for saying Derek Carr is a

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<v Speaker 1>strong possibility for MVP? That struck us as really hot?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he said that his third pick for MV

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<v Speaker 1>he was Derek Carr. Peter Schreger the NFL Network yesterday. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but he said it's a dark horse. Watch out for

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<v Speaker 1>Derek car to make a move on this. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not. He's not making a move. This feels like

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<v Speaker 1>that team. Well he left down Kyler Murray. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you left out the guy who's quarterbacking the only undefeated

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<v Speaker 1>team right now, over Derek Carr. Yeah, Derek Carr on

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<v Speaker 1>pace for fifty two hundred yards, twenty seven touchdowns, eleven picks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not gonna do it. No, it's not no offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a carist, you know, Yeah, you are a carst

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<v Speaker 1>What happens first, Cardinals lose. Lions went. I'd have to

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<v Speaker 1>look at the schedule there, McLevin, Why don't you look

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<v Speaker 1>at that. We'll take a break. Bob Costas, who join

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<v Speaker 1>is coming up, but I guess I would go the

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<v Speaker 1>Cardinals are gonna lose. I don't see the Lions unless

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<v Speaker 1>somebody comes to town. Does Jacksonville come to down? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Oh, the Lions have the Rams in Philly and

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<v Speaker 1>a bye week which they cannot lose. Okay, Pittsburg, Cleveland, Chicago, Minnesota, Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Cardinals have the Texans this week. Okay, it

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<v Speaker 1>should be okay. Then Thursday night against the Packers in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>That is fun. Then they go to the Niners hosts,

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<v Speaker 1>the Panthers go to the Seahawks, go to the Bears.

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<v Speaker 1>So is the im Packers game? Yeah, all right, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take a break here. Bob Constas will join us. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>of brothers in the NFL? Right now? Now? Erever? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Both bosses are Pro Bowlers? Yeah? Currently okay, t J

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<v Speaker 1>Watt is All Pro. Should have been Defensive Player of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year, JJ Watt. I don't think he's making the

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<v Speaker 1>Pro Bowlers. Oh, I don't know. He's been a man

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<v Speaker 1>on he's been bowling out last two weeks. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>that name too. And then Trayvon and Stefan Diggs. Trayvon

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<v Speaker 1>and Stefan Diggs might be your winner. I heard a

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<v Speaker 1>trivia question dark course winner. Yes, the last They both

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<v Speaker 1>had touchdowns last week. Trayvon and Stefan one on defense,

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<v Speaker 1>one and off It's a last brother pair to do

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<v Speaker 1>that was in two thousand and nine. One on offense,

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<v Speaker 1>one on defense. There's no way that that anybody will

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<v Speaker 1>get it. I'll give you a hint. One was a

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<v Speaker 1>tight end out of Maryland. Who I know, super jacked

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<v Speaker 1>that you liked Vernon Davis. And do you remember his

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<v Speaker 1>brother was named Vonte Davis. He's the guy who quipped

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<v Speaker 1>he had a touchdown with the Dolphins in two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye I didn't know they were brothers. Didn't Vante Davis

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<v Speaker 1>play with Buffalo? Quit when in Buffalo? He's the guy

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<v Speaker 1>we did that story, right, he quit? He quit it halftime.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Vernon David's brother. Like, there's part of me that

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<v Speaker 1>respects where you go. You know what, I'm done with football.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna quit it halftime. Okay, we have a game

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<v Speaker 1>before Bob cost just joins us. Paulie, give us the

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<v Speaker 1>ground rule. This is the what will Bob cost Us

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<v Speaker 1>say game? I think we have music for it, not um.

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<v Speaker 1>The question is, are you in favor of seeing an automated,

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<v Speaker 1>digitized whatever strike zone and lieu of the current umpire. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go first. All right, Bob will say something like,

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<v Speaker 1>while it's obviously gonna inevitable, I'm old school and against

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<v Speaker 1>it because I love the nuance of the game. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a verbosas Bob. Okay, Uh Fritzie, there is no

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<v Speaker 1>way I can roll with that. That's what Bob says. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh oh, roll with that? All right. Mclovin, what's Bob Costs? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think he thinks it'll interrupt the flow of the

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<v Speaker 1>game too much. All right, But how do you think

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<v Speaker 1>Bob's you know, states then he said, there's a rich

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<v Speaker 1>tapestry of balls and strikes and this will unwind that

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<v Speaker 1>fabric or threat. Okay, thank you, Seaton. I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>actually going to take a much more progressive approach. And

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<v Speaker 1>I can't say that the word exactly what he'll use,

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<v Speaker 1>but the word inevitable, absolutely it's being used. He's he's

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's in favor of it, though kicking and

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<v Speaker 1>screaming might also be used. MLB on TBS Nationally Championship

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<v Speaker 1>Series host joined by Pedro Martinez, Jimmy Rollins, Curtis Granderson

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<v Speaker 1>on site pre and postgame. TBS is exclusive coverage of

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<v Speaker 1>the National League Championship Series. TBS's Game four coverage from

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<v Speaker 1>LA begins to night seven thirty Eastern four thirty pm Pacific.

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<v Speaker 1>As we welcome in the great Bob Costas. Bob, how

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<v Speaker 1>would you answer that question? You know, I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>each of your patriots had an excellent point, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do believe, given the trend that we're now observing, that

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<v Speaker 1>it is inevitable that there will be some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>electronic balls and strikes within our lifetime if I live

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<v Speaker 1>another X number of years. But yet, as was pointed out,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a rich tapestry to the game, Dan, and

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate all of those nuances, the little subtleties of

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<v Speaker 1>a catcher framing a pitch to make a borderline ball

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<v Speaker 1>appear to be a strike, a pitcher working the zone

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out what that particular plate umpire has as his

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<v Speaker 1>strike zone that day, Can I go an inch further

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<v Speaker 1>off either corner? And so, yes, well, it is inevitable

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<v Speaker 1>it will be a blow to the game and to

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<v Speaker 1>its connection to generational history. That's my answer, Dan, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what your guys want my answer to be. But

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, though, Bob, we have the technology, but we

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<v Speaker 1>want the umpires to get every other call right, But

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to the strike zone, we're okay with

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<v Speaker 1>it being loosely interpreted. Why. Yeah, Like yesterday, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like it looked like Walker Bueller had Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Peterson with strike three. The replay clearly showed the ball

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<v Speaker 1>had the corner. It was an O two pitch, would

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<v Speaker 1>have been strike three. The at back continued, he got

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<v Speaker 1>a base hit. It was part of a scoring inning

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<v Speaker 1>for the Braves. You're right, we want everything down to

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<v Speaker 1>the micro millimeter in every other call where replay is allowed,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not allowed by the way on check swings. And

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<v Speaker 1>we saw how that happened the last pitch of the

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<v Speaker 1>game in Game five in the Division Series between the

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<v Speaker 1>Giants and the Dodgers. I guess the resistance with balls

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<v Speaker 1>and strikes is whether or not they really believe that

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<v Speaker 1>an electronic strike zone is infallible. And there are some

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<v Speaker 1>arguments about the depth of the strike zone and whether

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<v Speaker 1>we can exactly get a guy's stance. What if the

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<v Speaker 1>guy's stance changes, he goes into more of a crowd's

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be, the break of the pitch,

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<v Speaker 1>can technology perfectly capture that to where Okay, the plate

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<v Speaker 1>umpire is ninety eight percent accurate, but can the I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making that figure up, But let's say that's the figure

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight percent accurate, and electronically, if we're only ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine percent accurate? Is that worth it? And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>so sure that I'm as up as I should be

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<v Speaker 1>on all the aspects of this to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>say that they've gotten it to the point where an

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<v Speaker 1>electronic balls and strikes approach will be infallible. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the mood infallible? If it's infallible, it's inevitable. What was

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<v Speaker 1>the mood like prior to Cody Bellinger's home run? Last night?

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<v Speaker 1>Dodger Stadium was about as quiet as fifty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>can be. You heard murmurs rather than cheers. A few

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<v Speaker 1>brave souls tried to get a Let's go Dodgers chant going,

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<v Speaker 1>and it went nowhere. When Will Smith and Aj Pollock

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<v Speaker 1>got hits and brought Bellinger to the plate, then the

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<v Speaker 1>place came alive. And when he connected, it changed from

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<v Speaker 1>a morgan into a madhouse, just like that. And what

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<v Speaker 1>is it about Bellinger? You know, Mike used to be

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<v Speaker 1>the Mendoza line was the embarrassing number at two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and he's bat one sixty five during the season, but

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<v Speaker 1>seventh inning on in the postseason, he's become a different hitter.

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<v Speaker 1>What has gotten into Bellinger? Well, you know he's He's

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<v Speaker 1>had excellent regular seasons previously. In this season there was

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<v Speaker 1>a combination of things injuries, and then he couldn't get untracked,

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<v Speaker 1>and now I guess he's just feeling it. What was

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<v Speaker 1>really interesting the home run yesterday that he hit off

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<v Speaker 1>Luke Jackson. That pitch was up, and usually the book

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<v Speaker 1>with Bellinger is if you're gonna miss, miss up because

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<v Speaker 1>he has that extreme uppercut swing and he'll just lash

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<v Speaker 1>a low pitch out of the park. And somehow he

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<v Speaker 1>got on top of the pitch that probably was above

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<v Speaker 1>the strike zone and hit a four hundred feet what's

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest storyline so far the postseason? Well, I think

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<v Speaker 1>one of them would be if the Braves who are

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<v Speaker 1>still up despite the fact that the momentum seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have changed. The Braves are up two games to one.

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<v Speaker 1>The biggest storyline could be that if we ever didn't

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<v Speaker 1>realize it, we realize it now. This is a tournament

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and sixty two games to get there, but

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<v Speaker 1>already the team that won the most one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seven is out. Didn't even get to one step from

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<v Speaker 1>the World Series. Out close series with the Dodgers, but

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<v Speaker 1>out the Dodgers won one hundred and six. They could

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<v Speaker 1>very well be out the Braves, let's say, could make

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<v Speaker 1>it to the World Series. Eighty eight wins was the

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<v Speaker 1>fewest for any division winner, and the Red could very well.

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<v Speaker 1>As a team that barely qualified as a wild card,

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<v Speaker 1>the Red Sox could very well be their opponent. The

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<v Speaker 1>old saying in sports, it's not so much who you play,

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<v Speaker 1>it's when you play him. It's a long season. The

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<v Speaker 1>way pitching staffs are used now, with openers and starters

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<v Speaker 1>being applauded for giving you four solid innings, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a different game than it used to be, and more

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<v Speaker 1>so than ever, especially with two wild cards, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in the future there'll be more wild cards than that.

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<v Speaker 1>The postseason is just a roll of the dice. How

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<v Speaker 1>do you think history is going to treat Jose l

0:25:32.440 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 1>tbe the longer his career goes and the better he performs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good question. But the longer his career goes,

0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:45.720
<v Speaker 1>the better he performs, the further it is in the

0:25:45.760 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>rearview mirror. I think, on balance, it'll treat him kindly.

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Carlos Carea said recently that Jose was somebody who did

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<v Speaker 1>not want to hear the banging on the trash can

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<v Speaker 1>that he did not benefit from that. But then there's

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the image of him coming around third after hitting that

0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>series winning homer offer all this Chapman and he appears

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 1>to be clutching his jersey and he's yelling at his teammates,

0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:16.959
<v Speaker 1>don't rip my jersey off, And that led to speculation

0:26:17.000 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 1>that there was some kind of wire on him. So,

0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 1>if Carlos is correct, maybe al Tuve was an innocent

0:26:24.160 --> 0:26:27.600
<v Speaker 1>spectator who just didn't spill the beans because of the

0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 1>code of Omerta. But if the thing about wearing a

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<v Speaker 1>wire is true, and if we ever get a definitive

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>answer to that, that could change the picture. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think that generally speaking, people's memories, outside of those who

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<v Speaker 1>feel that they were directly burned by the Astros Dodgers

0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:46.280
<v Speaker 1>fans from twenty seventeen whatever, I think most will be

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 1>forgiving because he's a terrific player and from all indications

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:51.720
<v Speaker 1>he seems to be a very nice guy. Yeah, but

0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Shulis Joe Jackson maintained he never took any money and

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>he hit three seventy five, But yeah, you know what

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.480
<v Speaker 1>he's paid. The price is well obviously Bart for the

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, never going to get in. Yeah, you know,

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:09.360
<v Speaker 1>he was actually people don't realize this. He was actually

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<v Speaker 1>on the ballot in the early days of the Hall

0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 1>of Fame. He was on the ballot, never got enough support.

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:19.399
<v Speaker 1>He died in nineteen fifty. He was still technically eligible

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>for Veterans committees until in nineteen ninety one, two years

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 1>after Pete Rose was banned by Bartjamadi, the Board of

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Director of the Hall of Fame put in a rule

0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 1>it said anybody who's on the permanently ineligible list is

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<v Speaker 1>not eligible for the ballot. And that was obviously aimed

0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 1>directly at Pete Rose, since at that point Joe Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>had been dead for more than forty years, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's just an aside. I'm not a moralist on this.

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I've talked with you about this before, Dan,

0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:55.560
<v Speaker 1>but my dad was an inveterate gambler of the Geisendaals

0:27:55.680 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Damon Runyon School. He bet with guy's name Blinkie and Finger,

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:04.399
<v Speaker 1>who undoubtedly were connected to the mob. And this is

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:08.919
<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties, and very often the mortgage wrote

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>on whether he would win his bets or lose his bets.

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.600
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not being a moralist about this. But within

0:28:15.680 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the last decade, every Commissioner of Baseball has testified before

0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 1>Congress that legalized gambling would be the end of sports

0:28:24.440 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 1>as we know. It would be the worst thing it

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.040
<v Speaker 1>could ever happen. And now there's so much money available

0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>they can't turn their backs on it. And not only

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:36.160
<v Speaker 1>do they embrace it, they promote it. And yet Pete Rose,

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:40.440
<v Speaker 1>who's in his eighties and you wouldn't want to defend

0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>in every respect as a person. Am not going to

0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>defend everything he did in baseball or outside baseball. He

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>never did anything so far as the evidence, we have,

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 1>never did anything that undermined the integrity of the competition

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:58.200
<v Speaker 1>as much as those who are still in the game

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>and have been suspended. But every turn, those who were

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<v Speaker 1>on the Hall of Fame ballot, whether they get elected

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 1>or not. Here he is on the outside looking in.

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>How can this be made any more absurd? What would

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:15.240
<v Speaker 1>the harm be if Pete Rose went on the Hall

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.080
<v Speaker 1>of Fame ballot or was eligible before a veterans committee.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:20.360
<v Speaker 1>And if he's on the ballot, the clock should start

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>from zero. He was never on the clock, So you

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>should get ten years on that ballot if you want

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:26.600
<v Speaker 1>to do it that way, or make him, given his age,

0:29:26.640 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 1>immediately eligible for Veterans Committee considerations. And if people want

0:29:30.560 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>to hold the gambling against him in light of all

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 1>the present realities and in light of all the comparisons

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>to other people within baseball and their misdeeds, let them

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>do it, but at least let him be considered. Well,

0:29:41.720 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I just wonder, and I've talked to the previous commissioner

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 1>about this of further evidence, did Pete bett when he

0:29:49.440 --> 0:29:52.000
<v Speaker 1>was playing, which I believe he was betting when he

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was playing, and we know that he bet when he

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>was managing, And he said, well, and years ago he

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.360
<v Speaker 1>told me and Keith over and I bet on my

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 1>team to win. Well, you can manipulate the lineup to

0:30:04.920 --> 0:30:09.680
<v Speaker 1>help you win, and I don't. Can you separate Pete

0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 1>as the manager betting on baseball with just Pete as

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 1>the player? And maybe we don't have as much evidence

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.200
<v Speaker 1>there that I could. I put him in the Hall

0:30:19.240 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>of Fame because he was a Hall of Fame player,

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.080
<v Speaker 1>and you know, punish him by keeping him out of

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 1>baseball because of what he did as a manager. Is

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>it fair to split him up like that? Well, in

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 1>the big picture, I think you can. You can temper

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 1>justice with mercy people who've committed heinous crimes. And I

0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 1>realized as an apple apples and oranges aspect here, But

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:45.280
<v Speaker 1>people who have committed heinous crimes get paroled in less

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>time than this. And we know that if Pete Rose

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:51.080
<v Speaker 1>lives to be a hundred in the first paragraph of

0:30:51.080 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>his obituary will be the fact that he bet on

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:58.760
<v Speaker 1>baseball and was banned for baseball from baseball because of it.

0:30:59.200 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 1>The price that he is paid in his life and

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:06.120
<v Speaker 1>in his legacy is enormous, So you know you could

0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.080
<v Speaker 1>take that into account. I would think by the way,

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I asked a Rob Men for that question about five

0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>years ago, is there anything in that Baseball has on

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.880
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose that the public does not know about? You

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:23.400
<v Speaker 1>don't even have to specify it, but is there something

0:31:23.440 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>beyond the public understanding that leads Baseball to say to say, no,

0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 1>this is a non starter. And his answer to that

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>was no, Yeah, our reasons are out there. We know

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 1>what our reasons are. If I gave you one vote,

0:31:37.840 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 1>Pete Rose, Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds, you know, Daniel asked

0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:51.960
<v Speaker 1>such good questions. You know, I've said this before, and

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>I said it to you. Some people with regard to

0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds. Let's say Tom Berducci is one. I have

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>great risk for Tom, he says, I don't care if

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you took steroids the last year of your career and

0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>you already had a record number of home runs. If

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 1>you ever did it once, that's it. As far as

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:12.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm concerned. My position is a little bit more lenient

0:32:12.800 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>than that. When you talk about Clements and especially Bonds,

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about people who are on the shortlist of

0:32:19.920 --> 0:32:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the greatest of the great. If you shrunk the Hall

0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>of Fame by eighty or ninety percent on their performing merits,

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>they'd still be in the Hall of Fame. So, you know,

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I could see voting for all of those guys, especially

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>because of the price they have paid to their reputations,

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 1>the amount of time that they have waited. I'd probably go.

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>I'd probably actually go Rose Bonds, Clemons in that order,

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Rose Bonds, Clements, yeah, man, But with ambivalence, with ambivalence,

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the case of Bonds, it's a terrible shame.

0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:02.640
<v Speaker 1>Barry Bonds is a very intelligent guy, and his baseball

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>IQ is at an Einstein level, and on his natural merits,

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>he'd be in the discussion of the dozen or so

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>greatest all around non pitchers who ever played. And think

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.320
<v Speaker 1>how much better his legacy would be outside San Francisco,

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 1>where they love him seemingly unconditionally. But think how much

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 1>better his legacy would be if he had hit five

0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy five career home runs, you know, hit

0:33:26.320 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 1>two ninety five lifetime one, all the gold gloves, had

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>all the great seasons. He'd be in the Hall of Fame,

0:33:33.360 --> 0:33:37.800
<v Speaker 1>and he'd be he'd be close to universally respected and admired.

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.880
<v Speaker 1>And when Barry Bonds wants to sit with someone and

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 1>talk with them, he's so engaging. He has that beautiful smile.

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.440
<v Speaker 1>People who know him well talk about his charitable acts

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 1>and how and how engaging he can be. But he

0:33:52.760 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 1>did play a good portion of his career with a

0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>chip on his shoulder because of the mistreatment that his

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>dad had received and because of some of what he

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:04.000
<v Speaker 1>saw Willie Mays go through earlier in his career. Although

0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:07.880
<v Speaker 1>now Willie is beloved by everyone, so there was a

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>chip on his shoulder, and a lot of that was

0:34:10.080 --> 0:34:12.879
<v Speaker 1>projected to the media. But so what. Had he never

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.280
<v Speaker 1>used steroids, had he never turned baseball into a video

0:34:16.360 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>game and distorted the competition, all of that would have

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:22.040
<v Speaker 1>been a mere footnote, and he'd now be at the

0:34:22.120 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>top of the Hall of Fame pyramid. It's a shame.

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember asking him about all of this information that

0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, he is, you know, baseball IQ, and I said,

0:34:32.000 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 1>do you share this information with your teammates? And he goes, no,

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:40.520
<v Speaker 1>because one day they could be my opponent on my teammate.

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, wow, Okay, yeah wow, yeah, because tonight we're teammates. Yeah,

0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>but tomorrow we might not share it. During the World Series, yeah,

0:34:57.840 --> 0:35:01.399
<v Speaker 1>trying to win the World Series. We'll have fun tonight. Bob,

0:35:01.440 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 1>it's great to talk to you, and thanks for joining us.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.279
<v Speaker 1>As always, take Bob cost Us. It'll be joined by

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Pedro Martinez, Jimmy Rollins, Curtis Granderson, pre and post game

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that's on TBS, the home of the National League Championship

0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Series and Game four coverage tonight in Los Angeles, seven

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:24.239
<v Speaker 1>thirty Eastern, four thirty pm Pacific. I don't I don't

0:35:24.280 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>agree with him on Pete Rose. Pete has benefited far

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 1>more by not being in the Hall of Fame than

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>being in the Hall of Fame. Like he is cashed

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>in on this. He's infamous. If he went into the

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Hall of Fame, nobody would care about Pete Rose. They wouldn't.

0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>But people still do, and people have strong opinions about it.

0:35:46.680 --> 0:35:51.560
<v Speaker 1>But as the Cincinnati native, soft spot in my heart

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:54.879
<v Speaker 1>loved the way he played, but I just can't put

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>him in. Do I think that he gambled on games

0:35:57.520 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 1>when he was a player? I do because I used

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>to bet through one of his bookies, not the main one,

0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.000
<v Speaker 1>but the secondary one. When he couldn't get in a

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:11.879
<v Speaker 1>bet with this one guy in Cincinnati, he would bet

0:36:11.920 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>through my bookie, And so I knew what Pete was doing,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>or at least I could find out because I wasn't

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 1>in the business back there, and my bookie I could

0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:25.280
<v Speaker 1>just say, because he would always say, you know something

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.080
<v Speaker 1>about you know what Pete was betting on? He would

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>tell me, and I'd always go the other way. So

0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:32.759
<v Speaker 1>I figured, if I's going to win money, I had

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.560
<v Speaker 1>to go the other way from Pete. So do I

0:36:35.600 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>think he was betting as a player yes, I do,

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and I just can't put him in the Hall of Fame.

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Great player, wonderful player, but uh and I wouldn't put

0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:52.319
<v Speaker 1>bonds in Clemens in there either. And I would give

0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Shulis Joe Jackson consideration because he hit three seventy five

0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.560
<v Speaker 1>in a World Series that he supposedly took money to fix.

0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 1>Imagine if he wasn't trying to fix it, he would

0:37:03.880 --> 0:37:06.799
<v Speaker 1>have hit four hundred. Take a break. Last call for

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<v Speaker 1>you get your podcast. My favorite Tom Petty's song would

0:37:58.840 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 1>have been his birthday today. It still is birthday today

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 1>would have been seventy one years of age learning to fly.

0:38:06.920 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 1>But I ain't gun Wings great guitar player, though Mike

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>Campbell great created all those great riffs with Petty. Thank God,

0:38:15.880 --> 0:38:18.320
<v Speaker 1>my wife bought me tickets to go see Petty before

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>he died. Uh, he's just he's one of those artists.

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>He's like I've never seen Neil Young in concert, and

0:38:25.600 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen Bob Seeger and hopefully I'll get a

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>chance to do that. Yes, you're kind of treading on

0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.719
<v Speaker 1>Paul's territory here with this, but I know Paul just

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<v Speaker 1>found Tom Petty. He was just listening to Tom Petty,

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<v Speaker 1>like last week. I kind of thought that was my guy. Like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not, he's not mine. I'm just saying I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>I I Paul came in one day. I think he

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<v Speaker 1>was driving to Vermont or Rhode Island and he goes, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty is so great, and I go, yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been a fan. My whole life. But then I started

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<v Speaker 1>a listening like Deeper Cuts, and it was good. It

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<v Speaker 1>feels like it feels like you're you're you want to

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<v Speaker 1>make Tom Petty yours. Well, the first time I heard him,

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<v Speaker 1>I was in Los Angeles. We're in like, and I

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<v Speaker 1>always thought the first five years, I thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>from California because I saw I'm on a billboard on

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<v Speaker 1>the Sunset Strip. I was eleven years old and American

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<v Speaker 1>girl was on and all that stuff. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he must be like a surfer guy from Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no ideas from Florida. Well, I remember in

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<v Speaker 1>college I was playing Damn the Torpedoes, you know with

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Petty your lava lamp. Yeah, Tom Petty, Damn the Torpedoes. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see. Get a couple of phone calls in here,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandy and Iowa's back. Hi Brandy, Hey Dan, Happy Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Thank you you two. Hey. I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>preface the sharafing challenge out to the dan Netts, but

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a knee jerk reaction after Game one

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<v Speaker 1>last night, because I've been embarrassed on this type of

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<v Speaker 1>roster construction since Peyton and Malone joined the Lakers in

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<v Speaker 1>the three oh four to to try to go out

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<v Speaker 1>or a ring. But I would challenge a Danette that

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<v Speaker 1>I will set the win total at forty nine and

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<v Speaker 1>a half and take the under for the Lakers regular

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<v Speaker 1>season record. I want the big playoffs finals because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they get there. But I want to see

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone thinks they're going to going to increase on

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<v Speaker 1>that forty two win total ten less games obviously, but

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<v Speaker 1>what is the over under with Vegas here? I think

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<v Speaker 1>they have it at fifty two. Okay, they can look

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<v Speaker 1>it up, but I think somewhere around fifty two. Yeah. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>A week ago you could have got the Lakers over

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<v Speaker 1>under win total at fifty two and a half. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're saying you're going to put it at forty

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<v Speaker 1>nine and a half. Yep. I don't think they'll get

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<v Speaker 1>that magical fifty. Everyone likes that fifteen. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see if anyone wants to take me up

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<v Speaker 1>on it. Does anybody want a piece of brandy and

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<v Speaker 1>iowa that the Lakers get at least fifty wins this

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<v Speaker 1>year going once. I wouldn't take that because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really care about aspiring to win a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 1>game in the right season. Yeah, I mclub. So we

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<v Speaker 1>get the Lakers over fifty wins. That's a good you

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<v Speaker 1>get them fifty well, yeah, I'm on it. Okay. So

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<v Speaker 1>mcloven will do a pie to the face, Brandy. Sounds good,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know I'll take one because I got my

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<v Speaker 1>pie in the face last week as well. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk again in April May thank you, Brandy. Yes, you

0:41:22.239 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 1>know there's a Twitter feed that keeps track of all this,

0:41:24.360 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 1>that of our bets so many and the callers are like,

0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>remember that bet we made seven months ago. I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, It's just I have to be reminded. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>Mario has to write him down. Ryan and Honolulu, Hi, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 1>what's on your mind today? Then? What do you have fore?

0:41:46.480 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure what country Ben Simmons comes from, but hey,

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<v Speaker 1>bloody sucks Mite all right, Bob cost Us on today?

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<v Speaker 1>What a legend, although sucky Olympics for the pink eye

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<v Speaker 1>on his resume. I've got some MLB playoff mark headlines

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<v Speaker 1>for you, Okay, Red sucked in the face, shut down,

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<v Speaker 1>rops up, be down, La Dodges lost this time. The

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<v Speaker 1>winner is La la Land quiet in here he quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>thank you Littleague World Series? Yeah, Albert Ers. Todd? What

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<v Speaker 1>did you learn on today's award nominated program with the

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<v Speaker 1>for the Veterans Committee's consideration, mclovin. Everybody who does funny

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<v Speaker 1>Rich tapestry, rich tapestry, you got it? Uh, Paulie may

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<v Speaker 1>have taken one too many calls today, Um Todd, what

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