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Speaker 1: What's way up with Angela? Ye, and we have definitely

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Speaker 1: go away up today. Cannot wait to jump in here.

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Speaker 1: But we got Kenya here and we got Tiger and

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Speaker 1: they are from Seeking Brother Husband.

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Speaker 2: And I have watched what is it? Six episodes?

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Speaker 3: Six episodes and it's it, yes, and I.

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Speaker 1: Follow four different couples. You're one of the You're the

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Speaker 1: one that they always show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're the premiere.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are the premier couple. All right, So

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to talk about the basis of the show.

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Speaker 1: We've all seen sister wives. Right by Seeking Brother Husband, Kenya,

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Speaker 1: you were in a relationship for twenty six years, right,

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Speaker 1: so that's your first husband twenty eight years now, okay,

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Speaker 1: and then Tiger you joined in to be Kenya's I.

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Speaker 2: Guess second husband number two. Yes, and then you were

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Speaker 2: seeking another one.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not that I'm seeking, it's said, I'm always

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Speaker 5: going to be dating. As I said in the show.

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Speaker 5: You know, humans need fresh attention. Men know that and

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Speaker 5: they own that. Women are getting there. We're getting to

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Speaker 5: the ownership of that human basic need. You understand, always

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Speaker 5: new relationships, fresh attention, fresh energy.

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Speaker 3: That's just the nature of human beings.

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Speaker 6: So do you believe that humans were not made to

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Speaker 6: be with one person for the rest of their life.

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Speaker 3: Oh, humans are not a monogamant species.

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Speaker 5: Monogamant species, for instance, do not have sex with anybody

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Speaker 5: else except for that one other.

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Speaker 3: If that one other dies, so does their sex drive.

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Speaker 5: Like geese, four percent of mammals are monogamous. Unfortunately, humans

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Speaker 5: are not a monogamouts species and that four percent.

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Speaker 6: No, I absolutely agree with you on that. I just

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Speaker 6: never never seen nothing like that. So how did that happen?

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Speaker 5: Like you had a husband, Yes, Karl, I've had a husband,

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Speaker 5: you know, for twenty eight years.

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Speaker 3: I got married when I was twenty one. We met

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Speaker 3: at Howard.

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Speaker 1: University and they have children, three children, have three children,

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Speaker 6: So in that marriage, early on, y'all you was doing

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Speaker 6: you know, because it's because I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, Carl is the one that

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Speaker 1: first was like I like someone else.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So we were monogamous for the first twelve years.

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Speaker 5: But at year four, you know, I found myself having

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Speaker 5: for other women, and we would always talk about.

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Speaker 3: It, you know how you go to the mall say oh,

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Speaker 3: were really have these attractions and we were surprised because

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Speaker 3: we thought once you got married that goes away. But

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Speaker 5: And that's the reality that people aren't prepared for. So

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Speaker 5: we went through that. But by year twelve, we had

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Speaker 5: talked about this so much and he had somebody at

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Speaker 3: But we never cheated on each other. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: It's kind of like having an open relationship in a way, right,

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Speaker 1: But the difference is that you guys live in the

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Speaker 1: house together. Now, this is what the one thing I

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Speaker 1: did want to ask you because you used to obviously

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Speaker 1: when you and car were in a monogamous relationship, you

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Speaker 1: were in the bedroom with him, yes, But then Tiger

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Speaker 3: Didn't quite go down like that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, Now the show can't show six episodes, cannot show

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Speaker 5: our full life, right, So Carol has had other women

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Speaker 5: live in our house. We've had other partners of mine

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Speaker 3: This is not the first time somebody has lived in

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Speaker 6: So throughout your journey, like he's had other women live

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Speaker 5: After year twelve, when we had the discussion that maybe

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Speaker 5: you know how the matter yea, And I like, you're

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Speaker 2: Why he's doing his thing.

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Speaker 3: That's what he had.

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Speaker 2: That's I think that's what they normally see.

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Speaker 7: Yes, because so you had a sister wife, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to bring in a sister wife.

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Speaker 5: I said, that would be cool with me if I

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Speaker 3: That's how that went down at.

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Speaker 1: Your twelve And that's what women always say when we

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Speaker 2: And most men would be like, no, you cannot.

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Speaker 3: Then my husband said no.

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Speaker 7: We said no. At first he.

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Speaker 5: And so I had to talk to him for two

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Speaker 5: as him. Where does this mindset come from? Is it

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Speaker 3: Where did this come from? That you deserve that privilege

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Speaker 5: And we really did an anthropological study, reading books like

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Speaker 5: Sex at Dawn, writing our own books, studying this until

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Speaker 5: he realized, yes, the feminine originally deserved the same privileges

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Speaker 2: Now, Tiger, how did you come into the picture.

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Speaker 8: Well, I came into the picture when I met Kenya

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Speaker 8: and she well when we first met Kenya, you know,

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Speaker 8: Because I was dating women that you know, they had

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Speaker 6: I was like this is instantly when I met Yes, I.

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Speaker 8: Want you to meet I want you to meet my husband.

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Speaker 8: So Carl walks in, and you know, I'm like, whoa

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Speaker 8: wait a second. I didn't know he was home. I

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Speaker 4: Know, am I going to put my duke's up? Like

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Speaker 8: And so he was really cordial. He came in and

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Speaker 8: because I've never had an interaction with another man, especially.

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Speaker 4: Being with his wife. And it turned out positive.

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Speaker 7: And how was that conversation?

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Speaker 8: So the conversation really wasn't much of an actual conversation.

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Speaker 8: It was just the introduction. That was the energy. It

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Speaker 1: It was it's kind of low key, like Jada and

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Speaker 1: Will in August.

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Speaker 5: Well, except that they have takes courage to say it

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Speaker 1: Is what we've been because he said because they said

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Speaker 3: Ye believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's kind of except that everybody looks at

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Speaker 5: Oh, I wonder why when sixty six percent of those

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Speaker 3: So I don't understand who's looking at it.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, because that was like the biggest scandal.

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Speaker 5: If they think that telling the truth about things is wrong,

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Speaker 3: But everybody's doing what we're doing.

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Speaker 5: It's just we're choosing to tell the truth and be

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Speaker 8: It's probably easy to keep the secret and live your

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Speaker 1: But Tage so initially your reaction because you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this has never been a situation where it's friendly, right,

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Speaker 1: So then what happened?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 8: So after that, you know, I went home, I thought

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Speaker 8: different lifestyle than anybody I've ever known, So let me

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Speaker 8: how it works, you know, what it entails, and so

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Speaker 8: you know, talking to King Ye, talking to Crawl, I

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Speaker 8: But it wasn't immediate.

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Speaker 4: It still took what.

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Speaker 7: Oh it took four or five years.

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Speaker 6: Now where y'are actually like sleeping together during that time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they got me to find man.

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Speaker 5: Like that, like where you are with that about their sex.

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Speaker 6: now you haven't you're sleeping in one roof, you're under

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Speaker 5: Oh no, we're not disrespectful. I respect my kings. I

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Speaker 3: Something that's wowdy loud, something in their face. It's just wrong.

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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't expect that they do that with me.

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Speaker 5: We have enough money, we have enough energy, we have

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Speaker 3: That that's just the bottom line. Have you ever felt

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Speaker 4: But it's funny you.

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Speaker 8: Should say that because that was a conversation that Keny

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Speaker 8: every partner difference. Yes, And I saw her treat Carling

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Speaker 8: he does get all those rights and prillage.

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Speaker 4: She knows him better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you guys sleep in the backroom together, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that was to sort of catch up. I had

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Speaker 5: been sleeping with my husband for twenty two years. Have

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Speaker 5: you ever with one person for twenty two years, either

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Speaker 5: of y'all?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: Okay, not even close.

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Speaker 2: Twenty two days.

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Speaker 5: When people questioned me about these things, when I asked

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Speaker 5: him questions like that, if they've never done this, if

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Speaker 5: they've never been in a committed long term relationship ten

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Speaker 5: plus fifteen, twenty five years, you don't know where you.

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Speaker 1: Get to as a couple, I would say this that

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Speaker 1: I look forward to being with the same person for

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Speaker 1: twenty two years.

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Speaker 3: Okay, but when come talk to me after that, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Part of the reason is I feel like it's just

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Speaker 5: First of all, I've written three books about this, my

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Speaker 3: We have educated and healed thousands of families.

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Speaker 1: Progressive Love Academy, let's put that out there right now.

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Speaker 4: A and B.

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Speaker 2: In trouble now, Tiger.

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Speaker 5: I don't think i've because I only date very brilliant

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Speaker 6: So you've you've bought different partners in right? How many

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Speaker 5: We should all have all the support we need. Anytime

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Speaker 5: I think we get into relationships and the women say,

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Speaker 3: Well, they're my clients. They're the ideal client.

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Speaker 5: The men bring their wives to me because their wives

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Speaker 5: Perfect choice, whatever the choice is, is the choice right.

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Speaker 1: Because you're the one that that Kenya actually was really excited.

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and nine to twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 5: And so I was so supportive of David because he

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Speaker 6: When when you when he feeling like, you know, he

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Speaker 5: They're not all just circulating around me, like orbiting around me.

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Speaker 4: There's no trains going on.

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Speaker 8: People think that that that somehow the guys are interacting

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Speaker 5: No, And I don't even date men who don't have

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Speaker 5: I love them, first of all, I've hooked him up

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Speaker 1: you said, there's a lot going on that I had

447
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Speaker 1: no idea what was happening, you know on the show.

448
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Speaker 4: It's difficult. What the constraints working with the entire story?

449
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Speaker 1: How did the show even coming back? Because, like you said,

450
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of your clients on two of

451
00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,800
Speaker 1: the couples are your clients.

452
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Speaker 2: But how did this even happen?

453
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Speaker 5: Well, myself and Big Fish Productions have been working on

454
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Speaker 5: this for two and a half years. So so and

455
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Speaker 5: just like you, they're brave, you know, for you to

456
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Speaker 5: be a black woman journalist and have me on your show.

457
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Speaker 3: You understand, not a lot of black women they're watching this,

458
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Speaker 3: but they're like.

459
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Speaker 2: I was like, just because I know that like having

460
00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,120
Speaker 2: this show, people will.

461
00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,119
Speaker 1: Be like and especially guys like, oh, I couldn't do

462
00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,160
Speaker 1: that all the you know, there's a lot of questions.

463
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:07,520
Speaker 2: Sure, And so then I went and out.

464
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Speaker 1: I watched all six episodes and I also did my

465
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Speaker 1: research on you, because you do have Progressive Love Academy,

466
00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: So this is.

467
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Speaker 2: Something that you take very seriously.

468
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Speaker 1: Like you said, you have these books that you've done,

469
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Speaker 1: you coach other people, So this is something that I

470
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Speaker 1: take seriously too, because clearly there's people in this world

471
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Speaker 1: that are doing this.

472
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Speaker 5: It's such an honor because I was wondering where the

473
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Speaker 5: black women journalists were, who was going to be brave

474
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Speaker 5: enough to do this? But that's how TLC and the

475
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,879
Speaker 5: production company were to me, brave because this has not

476
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Speaker 5: been done, especially with a woman of African origin, because

477
00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 5: usually we wait for the trend to come from another

478
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Speaker 5: you know, the dominant race or the dominant class in

479
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Speaker 5: this culture.

480
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Speaker 3: But we can set the trends. We are smart enough,

481
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,479
Speaker 3: we're creative enough. We have saved our families, our families

482
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Speaker 3: together forever.

483
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,600
Speaker 5: We're divorced proof. I'm divorced proof with his ex wife.

484
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,359
Speaker 5: I'm divorced proof with my husband's wife. We're divorced proof

485
00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,320
Speaker 5: as a community.

486
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Speaker 1: And you talk about the statistics of how many people

487
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Speaker 1: are divorced, how many people are achieved are very high.

488
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 5: Baby mamas running drama, people dying literally, and children watching this.

489
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Speaker 5: Our children don't see this. We have an entire communication system.

490
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Speaker 5: First of all, when couples come to me, they say

491
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Speaker 5: they want polyamory, but they're not ready.

492
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Speaker 3: None of my.

493
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,960
Speaker 5: Ready a because they don't have a communication system that works.

494
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Speaker 3: They they are using a language of war in their house.

495
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Speaker 3: Their house is daily a war.

496
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Speaker 5: If you're like that, you have to first heal that.

497
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Speaker 5: If y'all had cheating in the past, you have to

498
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Speaker 5: first heal that. You have to bring back the trust.

499
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Speaker 3: You have a lot of healing to do before you

500
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Speaker 3: could actually be authentic with them.

501
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Speaker 1: That's interesting because there is a couple on the show

502
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Speaker 1: and she cheated and that's how they ended up in

503
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Speaker 1: that situation, But I was wondering if that's the right way.

504
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Speaker 2: It feels like he didn't think he could be with her.

505
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Speaker 8: They didn't see their relationship because they definitely have some

506
00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:54,080
Speaker 8: unhealed traumas there, and so they've got to work through

507
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 8: that before they really start trying to introduce other partners.

508
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Speaker 3: And then the jealousy and the insecurity.

509
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Speaker 5: Most people have not dealt with their jealousy issues and

510
00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 5: they don't have a way to deal with it in

511
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Speaker 5: our relationship. If I'm jealous about something, we use up level.

512
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 5: If I'm jealous because I saw I've been jealous, Oh god,

513
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Speaker 5: what as some fine women?

514
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Speaker 7: Fine? When you're jealous? What is other women?

515
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Speaker 4: Now?

516
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,159
Speaker 6: Are you jealous when he brings them around? Are you

517
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 6: jealous when he's around them and you.

518
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Speaker 7: Like where you've been at?

519
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Speaker 3: But that's not the focus of the jealousy.

520
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 5: The focus is I have a way to communicate it

521
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Speaker 5: to him that doesn't attack him. So I'll come to

522
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Speaker 5: him and use up level and ask, listen, I have

523
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Speaker 5: a vent somes on my heart. My ego is up.

524
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 5: I'm my ego is tripping right now? Can I communicate

525
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 5: this to you right now?

526
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Speaker 3: He could say no, he doesn't have to listen to

527
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Speaker 3: my vent.

528
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 5: None of my sin and the mic and the mic,

529
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Speaker 5: none of my men have to listen to my vents.

530
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Speaker 3: Y'all hear that?

531
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Speaker 5: So I created a system where you have to get

532
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Speaker 5: consent to vent. Then if he says, yes, I can vent,

533
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 5: but I will tell him you're not doing anything wrong.

534
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Speaker 3: This is just my ego speaking.

535
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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's not blaming him.

536
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Speaker 5: I'm not blaming him for how I'm I'm not saying

537
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,679
Speaker 5: it's his fault. I'm not saying he has to do

538
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 5: something different. I'm saying, can you hold space for my

539
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 5: little ego?

540
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because even on the show, there's a

541
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 1: lot of judgment and you actually go shopping to get

542
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Speaker 1: a new bed or new bedding and the woman you're

543
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Speaker 1: telling the woman in the store and she's like, I

544
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening here.

545
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Speaker 5: Like that was so cute because people, you know, they

546
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 5: see this, you know, and they think that it's something major,

547
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Speaker 5: But for us, it's just normal every day my past

548
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,360
Speaker 5: twenty years.

549
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Speaker 8: Watching oh sorry, yeah, watching the show. For us, it

550
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Speaker 8: was the first time that we actually saw the show

551
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Speaker 8: as well. Okay, so after watching that and seeing that lady,

552
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Speaker 8: you know, by the end of the conversation she was interested.

553
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Speaker 3: Everyone's interesting. I'm interested in this.

554
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 5: They just don't know how to do it, and that's

555
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Speaker 5: why we created the Academy.

556
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Speaker 1: Now for a Tiger and David, did you guys have

557
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Speaker 1: some apprehension about actually doing this show? And then has

558
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Speaker 1: there been any backlash because clearly people see you on

559
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: the show, and it's people that you know that maybe

560
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: didn't even know you were in this situation and had

561
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: no idea what your relationship status is, like people that

562
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: may have known you from the past, family members, even

563
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: because some family members also don't like this arrangement.

564
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Speaker 4: I don't know if David had a for most people

565
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Speaker 4: like what was going on. I have to tell him.

566
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Speaker 9: Look, first of all, going her page, the men have

567
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 9: girlfriends too, So I know what you're thinking. I know

568
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 9: what you see, but that's not how it is. That's

569
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 9: on freak fest. People taking a turn feel smacking ass,

570
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 9: but you're walking by none. That's happening and very respectful.

571
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Speaker 9: And again I'm gonna say it one time. Most people

572
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Speaker 9: are doing that already. They're just not just hiding about it,

573
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Speaker 9: just lying about it. So I didn't feel a certain way.

574
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Speaker 9: Everyone who knows me personally, they're like, oh, okay, cool.

575
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Speaker 9: I was just wondering.

576
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Speaker 4: They thought they all we were all just tag teaming her.

577
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Speaker 1: Okay, what about your family, mom, I'm going pretty much,

578
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: what want to do?

579
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Speaker 7: Well, he'll get his two weeks. You two weeks with

580
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Speaker 7: your husband?

581
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and answer for him. They don't need a week

582
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Speaker 3: by myself.

583
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Speaker 7: And so when he get his, well, he's in New York.

584
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 3: He has another partner right now.

585
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 5: So we just basically talk on the phone and fantasize

586
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 5: about some day.

587
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Speaker 7: Now do you go? Do you go on other dates

588
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Speaker 7: outside of Oh.

589
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 5: Of course yes. I will always be dating. I'll always

590
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 5: be making more human connections. Do you guys have a

591
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Speaker 5: commitment ceremony? Also?

592
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Speaker 4: Right?

593
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Speaker 1: Because it's not legal here in the United States for

594
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Speaker 1: you to to have more than one actual I guess

595
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Speaker 1: what would you say, legal husband? But you guys had

596
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Speaker 1: a commitment ceremony? How important was that for you?

597
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Speaker 2: Tiger?

598
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Speaker 8: So actually that was very important to me because what

599
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Speaker 8: they didn't get to talk about in the show. Kenya

600
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Speaker 8: had asked me to marry her a long time ago, okay.

601
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Speaker 4: And I was not with that. I was like, nah,

602
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Speaker 4: I'm not doing that.

603
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Speaker 8: And then I turned around and asked her to marry me,

604
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Speaker 8: and she was like okay, but she you know, she

605
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Speaker 8: wasn't really feeling it because I had already rejected her.

606
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Speaker 8: So it was really important to go in and get

607
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Speaker 8: that secure, to that peace of mind that, like, you know,

608
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 8: we are going to be together forever no matter what

609
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 8: both got out of our egos.

610
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Speaker 2: Yes, and your children were there. How important was that?

611
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Speaker 1: Because and I want to know how you were able

612
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Speaker 1: to basically, I mean, I guess they grew up kind

613
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: of seeing a lot of this, but I just want

614
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Speaker 1: to know what that piece of it was like for

615
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: anybody who's watching this and considering it but wondering, okay,

616
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: well what about the kids, because you do want to

617
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Speaker 1: protect your kids.

618
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Speaker 5: Well, we've made our children extraordinarily brilliant and ahead of

619
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Speaker 5: their time by telling our children the truth about relationships.

620
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 5: You know how you would be in your house growing up.

621
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Speaker 5: Your parents might have an argument. You don't even know

622
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 5: what they are arguing about. You don't know where their

623
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 5: money are, you don't know how they solved. You've never

624
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 5: seen your parents solve their challenges. You never seen your

625
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 5: parents get to the end of a challenge. They might

626
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 5: have broke up before, Like, we didn't do that to

627
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 5: our children. We utilized tools and skills. We told our

628
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 5: children every step of the way what we were up to.

629
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 5: They were allowed to ask questions and now go to

630
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Speaker 5: their instagrams.

631
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Speaker 3: My children are amazing, beautiful kids by.

632
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Speaker 5: The way, twenty two and nineteen now.

633
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Speaker 9: And for the people watching it, who's trying to hate

634
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 9: on the progressive love movement, the kids are normal.

635
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 7: What kind of love movement?

636
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 4: Progressive?

637
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 7: Progressive aggressive love?

638
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, so the kids are normal. They're not freaky kids

639
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 9: that just want to They're normal kids. There's nothing wrong

640
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 9: with them. There's nothing like abnormal about them. But most

641
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 9: people who see the program thinking oh, they're gonna be

642
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 9: messed up. They can be doing drugs. They don't know

643
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 9: how monogamous. They are literally just normal kids.

644
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: There's no they're being washed by multiple people the program.

645
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: I like that they're being washed by.

646
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: And the good thing is if they ask Carl for

647
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: something he says no, they can go right to Tiger.

648
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: Tiger give it up, crazy, got it?

649
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 2: So, may know, how are you feeling out?

650
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Speaker 1: Because I know beforehand you had and like much of

651
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: the people who are listening to this show may have

652
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: had some preconceived notions or some judgments ahead of this.

653
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: I want to know what you're thinking of.

654
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Speaker 7: So I was thinking my whole thought was different.

655
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 6: I was thinking that y'all was just constantly living in

656
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 6: the house together, like you know, yah, you know y'are

657
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 6: bumping into each other in the bathroom, you know, myroom, bust.

658
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 4: My teeth, you know, like you.

659
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 6: That would be certain nights. It's like you get tuesdays,

660
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 6: he get Fridays. Like that was my thought because I

661
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 6: didn't actually see the show, And honestly, when I first

662
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 6: heard about the show, I was like, that's fake because.

663
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: I hadn't I hadn't.

664
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,199
Speaker 7: Even conceived the thought of that before.

665
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 6: Like, I've never heard of that sound to you. Now, Now,

666
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,640
Speaker 6: I'm pro polyamorous.

667
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 7: You know, I'm pro.

668
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 4: You know I'm pro that.

669
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 7: I'm I'm an advocate.

670
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 3: Of that polyamory or polygyny.

671
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 7: What's the difference.

672
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: Where the man can have many.

673
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: That's not polyamor But you just said.

674
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 3: Okay, so you wouldn't want your partners to do this, but.

675
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 7: You would want to I'm not that evolved, that evolved.

676
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 4: You don't know about it. You're still good.

677
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 3: But that is so honest and so brave.

678
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,719
Speaker 7: I'm honest of what it is.

679
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 6: I just didn't know that that that there were women

680
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 6: with multiple husbands that were all down together and it's

681
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 6: like a team effort and it's just like everything, but

682
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 6: it's different than one other because he got his situation right,

683
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 6: you got other, You a Brooklyn Niggas, you got other.

684
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: And maybe would rather be lied to, he rather not know.

685
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 5: We started this movement back in two thousand and five

686
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 5: and we were literally the first people in the United

687
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 5: States to go live with this type of stuff. We've

688
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 5: been on Doctor Phil, Fox News, We've been on eleven

689
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 5: television spots.

690
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 3: We've had two series, The.

691
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 2: Ricky Lake Show, Michael Money, everywhere.

692
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 5: But it's been a challenge for you know, people to

693
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 5: grasp it because it really does take skills. But we

694
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 5: are the pioneers of this type of relationship in the

695
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 5: States and it's really once you get the hang of it,

696
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 5: like they love it now, but he you know, they

697
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 5: had a hard time coming in.

698
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: Now, what is the most challenging part.

699
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: We've been talking about all the benefits, but what have

700
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: been the parts that have been the most challenging.

701
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 5: Holding space for the emotion of jealousy and insecurity, and

702
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 5: learning to hold space most men don't.

703
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 3: Not to say men are bad or anything. I love men.

704
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: Y'all know I love men. We know, we know, Okay, No,

705
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: I love the masculine like the masculine wants to please us.

706
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 5: That's all they want, ever, is for women to be happy.

707
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 6: I know, I know, like I've learned that.

708
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: That's like nothing else.

709
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,239
Speaker 5: So what I'm saying is that they never learn how

710
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 5: to hold space for feminine emotion. They haven't, and it's

711
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 5: hard to for them to learn that. But it's easier with,

712
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 5: of course, our tools. But I remember any time I

713
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: would get angry or upset, he would be out the

714
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 5: door like he didn't.

715
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: Want to hear it.

716
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 4: I'm not sticking around for that, right.

717
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 5: But until you what happened? Once you started learning how

718
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 5: to hold space using.

719
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 4: Up level, it got easier.

720
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 8: It got easier. Then it wasn't that you were blaming me.

721
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 8: It wasn't that you know, guilty or anything like that.

722
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 8: Then it was like, okay, let's break it down. What

723
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 8: are you actually saying? Yes, And then I can hear

724
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 8: what you're saying without trying to fix it, because that's

725
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 8: we're men.

726
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: That's what we do when we fix it. You know

727
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 4: what's wrong? How could I fix it? Right?

728
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 5: They you see angry that I was mad? But now

729
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 5: he says, thank you for sharing? How can I support you?

730
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 5: And I say, can you give me some empathy? He

731
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 5: knows how to give empathy. Oh, can you give me

732
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 5: a hug?

733
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: You know, no fixing, no running away, no ghosting.

734
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 5: No, you know, I don't argue with these men, right,

735
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 5: These men are perfection to me.

736
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: Now, Tager, what about your family? Were their thoughts?

737
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 8: So most of my family is okay with My mom

738
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 8: was always going to be that point of contingent because

739
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 8: my mom still has, you know, the old beliefs. She's

740
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 8: from down South Mississippi, down in Kasei, Eska.

741
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: That's the same time that Oprah's from, So I mean strong,

742
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 4: deep grassroots.

743
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 8: So she is not going to be okay with anything

744
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 8: other than like marriage is one man, one woman. Y'all

745
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 8: get married, you stay together for life. My parents been

746
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 8: married and they stayed together through thick and thin.

747
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 5: Del Your mom loves me when you broke up with

748
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 5: when she broke up with me, she tipped over my

749
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 5: house and knocked on the door.

750
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 3: Said, what's going on with you with Tiger? You know

751
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: he does love you?

752
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: Now, your mom was right there, like my babycause potential.

753
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 8: You know, she saw all the relationships that I've been

754
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 8: in because I used to be serial monogamous.

755
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 4: You know, I get one relationship, break up, get the

756
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 4: next relationship.

757
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 7: He was going with the roof.

758
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like most yeah, everybody abody.

759
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 6: I didn't think most people did, though, Yes, I think

760
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 6: I always feel like most people good at pretending or

761
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 6: good at trying.

762
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: Or acting like they're trying, pretending they're trying.

763
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: Kenya, what have been What have been some of the

764
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: things that people have been saying to you since this

765
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: show came out? Because I can imagine, like we said,

766
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: it's a difficult thing for people to grasp if they

767
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: haven't I shaid, or maybe they caught some of it

768
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh what is this?

769
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 5: Well from catching comments for the past twenty years, it

770
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 5: just there's nothing anybody can say to me. I'm telling people,

771
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: look around, look at our relationships, Look at our communities,

772
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 5: Look at YouTube, look at Instagram, Look at these people

773
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 5: fighting and bickering, Look at these children.

774
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: Eighty three percent of African American children live in single

775
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 3: family homes.

776
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: Look at that and then come back to me and

777
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 5: tell me how me unifying men and women. Men and

778
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 5: women are fighting online every day, me unifying that and

779
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 5: healing that.

780
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 3: Tell me how that's a problem with you.

781
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Right? He takes a village and you have one. Okay,

782
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 2: I have us.

783
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 7: Strong with women and men a small town.

784
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 4: Yes.

785
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Well, and what about what your kids when they decide

786
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 1: to I don't know what they're going to do with

787
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: their relationships. Do they have monogamous relationships? Are they like, Okay,

788
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: we're following what you've done.

789
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: Yes.

790
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 5: My oldest son is engaged to be married. He's an

791
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 5: IT major at University of Michigan.

792
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: I'm so proud of him. And my middle.

793
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 5: Daughter is actually a polyamory coachy the poly fairy on

794
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 5: Instagram poly fairy.

795
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 7: Yes she has. She has a couple of guys.

796
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she's she's been non monogamous since she was sixteen. Wow.

797
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 5: And then my youngest son has not yet ventured out

798
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 5: into the world of dating as yet.

799
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: He's in college. He's an artist.

800
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 5: His head is sort of in the clouds, so we

801
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 5: don't know what he's gonna choose.

802
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 2: But they make their own decisions.

803
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I can't. I don't tell him what to do.

804
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 9: Is now a cult? There's no sacrifice normal normal people.

805
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: We have normal jobs, but we're beyond normal.

806
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 5: We are advanced, you know, we have we live in

807
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 5: high rises. We have a high standard of life. He

808
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: takes me out of the country every month.

809
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: They have a very beautiful home.

810
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 5: We have businesses. We don't work jobs. We've built businesses.

811
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: David, why were you relectant to be on camera?

812
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know how people think.

813
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 9: So when I knew how the sous will come out

814
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 9: with just three dudes and one girl in the same

815
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 9: room as all you see on camera, I know how

816
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,719
Speaker 9: people think. So I was like, no, let me not

817
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 9: do this. But it's not every day you get to

818
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 9: see angela ye May first May No, don't know, I

819
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 9: have to watch the dude without the kids like growing

820
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 9: up Little Kim days.

821
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 4: Topic.

822
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 9: I mean, it was just like a once like TLC.

823
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 9: I never thought like I'll be on TV anytime soon,

824
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 9: So like, you know what, am I gonna let people's

825
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 9: judgments stop me from be on TV? Or am I

826
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 9: gonna just do it? See what happens after that. I

827
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 9: make I'm a producer. I'm a DJ. Actually I know

828
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 9: Nick me and the DJ before. Okay, I'm a DJ

829
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 9: in New York City.

830
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: Okay, tail that you hit him? That's right, he did,

831
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah he did.

832
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 9: And I was like, I'm a home on DJL do

833
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 9: mostly Applebeats, Shrine Savannah.

834
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 3: Also, I produce music, musician.

835
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 2: So what's your status now? When it comes to Kenya.

836
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,719
Speaker 9: Forever Gonna Be Together lives, there's no She's all about

837
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 9: communal living.

838
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 4: What was that movie called Happy?

839
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 3: Yes?

840
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 5: When if you look, cultures are in community, not in small,

841
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 5: little isolated groups. Yes, the happiest cultures are living community.

842
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 5: He knows he's always my husband. He knows he's always

843
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 5: my husband. We're divorced proof. I don't believe in breaking

844
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 5: up with my men. I do not dump my men.

845
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: It's nothing they could do. It's you can make it all.

846
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 3: I don't won't do.

847
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 2: It's tell you the only one you've done the commitment

848
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: ceremony with besides getting married to Carl, Yes, okay, he's.

849
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: The only one who's wanted that. But if others want it,

850
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: let me know.

851
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 6: So if he wants to do like a commitment ceremony

852
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 6: or somebody else that wouldn't want that.

853
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 7: So it's basically.

854
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 5: Yes, and I'm like, I love these men. I will

855
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 5: do what it takes if you wanted that.

856
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: David, absolutely yes.

857
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 4: M H.

858
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: And I kind of feel like on this show, and

859
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: this is my last thing I want to ask you.

860
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like you and Carl had stopped

861
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: having sex or did that?

862
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Okay?

863
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 5: Carl and I, so what we Polyamory is not about sex, right.

864
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 5: Polyamory is about your multiple connections. So Carl and I,

865
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 5: you know, we go back and forth from day one.

866
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:03,720
Speaker 3: We were not super sexual.

867
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 5: Karl and I have sex by writing books and talking

868
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 5: about politics and going deep into spirituality.

869
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: We always have.

870
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: Because it felt like you had a little bit of

871
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 1: an issue with it, though I have an issue with him. Well, no,

872
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: like with that not having sex part because you want

873
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: to be satisfied, and that.

874
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 5: I don't have an issue not having sex with. Carl

875
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 5: has enough sexual partners. My issue is is that you know,

876
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 5: if I'm now having sex with Tiger and he's slowing

877
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 5: down two because you know, at year five, at year ten,

878
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 5: at you're fifteen, you don't have the same passion as

879
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 5: you did on day one.

880
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 3: I don't know why people.

881
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 5: Don't want to talk about this, but I talk about

882
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 5: it and it's real.

883
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: People don't and so I'm stop us who don't have

884
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 2: sex at all.

885
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 5: Americans, we haven't had sexations. Forty percent of American couples

886
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 5: today are sexless. That's sex less than four times a year. Okay,

887
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 5: I'm not playing that game, so I live it out loud.

888
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 5: If if Karl and I are not in that sexual

889
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 5: phase anymore after.

890
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: Thirty years, right, so be it.

891
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 5: I have me another man he's rolling out of that

892
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 5: phase after ten years.

893
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: Great. I need me and I need to find somewhere

894
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: else like refreshing.

895
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 2: Why would I.

896
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: Why do I have to let it? Why would I

897
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: have to.

898
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 5: Dump somebody right and go through taking their money and

899
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 5: alimony and child support and bullshit.

900
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: And sometimes you might come back after that break and

901
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: be like, hey, yes every time that new.

902
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 5: And then I want them to go get some new

903
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 5: fresh energy as well, so that we can come back

904
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 5: up and meet.

905
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: Back up and enjoy.

906
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 4: Well.

907
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: Now that we're in New York, does that mean you're

908
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: with David while you're here?

909
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 5: I wish David's girlfriend currently not having that. Not having

910
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 5: that for the time being me and David.

911
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 7: She's not involved.

912
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 9: You can't bring up, like I said, you deal with

913
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 9: regular relationships too, Like I'm still colctive forever right, no

914
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 9: matter what.

915
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 4: But you know, I meet people then I used to that.

916
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: Then I with the program. I'm not saying, oh yeah,

917
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 4: I'm polyamas, get it with it. You out. It's more like, okay,

918
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: cool words out, you break up? Cool? If not, then

919
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,399
Speaker 4: you know, we'll see how it goes.

920
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: But right now, she wants you to be happy.

921
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: I like y'all and I'm here if y'all need support.

922
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well again, thank you so much. And how

923
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: can people find you? Can you because there might be

924
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people listening that are like, I want

925
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: to learn more.

926
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: I might need your help. I might need some coaches.

927
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 5: Absolutely to her, well, as long as they're ready to

928
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 5: back up, stop all everything that's under the table, all

929
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 5: the cheating, and back up and learn the tools needed

930
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: for polyamory. That takes time, so I don't do less

931
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 5: than three months with anyone though, Okay, but anyone can

932
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 5: find me at Progressive Love Academy. That's how I found

933
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 5: Progressive Love Academy. On Instagram, Progressive looveacademy dot com. You'll

934
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 5: find me, my men, my children, my entire network of love.

935
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 3: You even find David on there.

936
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: And by the way, so you do have a do

937
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: you do have a more like a spin off coming?

938
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 2: What's happening?

939
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 3: Well, we can't talk about what's coming.

940
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: Y'all have to keep potentially potentially.

941
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 5: What we want is to share with you all more

942
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 5: about us like that.

943
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Okay, I will put it like that. Well, if you

944
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, you can watch Seeking Brother Husband. You

945
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: can watch all other episodes on demand. There's six of them.

946
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: You can see the other couples. Like you said, you've

947
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: worked with other couples that are on that show. Is

948
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: I have to stop saying couples because it's not just couples.

949
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 6: But it's not because other communities, communities it get it

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Speaker 6: together

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Speaker 2: Singing Brother Husband, Way up with Angela