Speaker 1: Susan and I are like twenty again, out living our lives.
Speaker 1: We've had dinner with friends, other friends, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: than you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah people, Yeah, yeah, it wasn't us.
Speaker 1: And last night we went to what's called a play applot,
Speaker 1: say that right?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 4: At the Pantagious we saw Harry Potter.
Speaker 2: Oh you saw a little play called Harry Potter.
Speaker 3: Harry Potter, what'd you think?
Speaker 4: Okay?
Speaker 1: Couple things, God, First of all, the production is unreal.
Speaker 1: I mean, like the magic they're doing on the stage,
Speaker 1: and it's yes, incredible, I mean really incredible.
Speaker 2: Would Adler and Keaton enjoy it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was full of kids, like it was, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: of kids. So this is where the story comes in,
Speaker 1: which is interesting. I Walt, I, my wife and I
Speaker 1: we went and had a wonderful dinner and then we
Speaker 1: walk in.
Speaker 4: And we were in kind of we've got great seats.
Speaker 1: We're in the center of the aisle, so you know,
Speaker 1: obviously we've got to walk past everybody.
Speaker 4: They've got to stand up and let us in.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it was full of kids, and
Speaker 1: a group of kids that were probably thirteen or fourteen
Speaker 1: all stood up to let us buy and the first
Speaker 1: guy went, first kid went, you're on Boy Mets WORLDO.
Speaker 4: So A.
Speaker 1: My wife's like, you just got recognized and you never
Speaker 1: get recognized, which is sea for know.
Speaker 4: What's funny is I was you two twenty last night?
Speaker 1: Wow, So that's no, it'll stick before see you two
Speaker 1: twenty just hits yes, trying too hard, but so I
Speaker 1: was like, yes I am. And all the other kids,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it was great. We saw the first
Speaker 1: half of the play. It was absolutely incredible. And then
Speaker 1: during intermission they came up and said can I have
Speaker 1: a picture?
Speaker 4: Can I have?
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at them and I said, you're all
Speaker 1: so young, yeah, to be Boy Meets World fans, And
Speaker 1: they all said the same thing.
Speaker 4: Of course.
Speaker 1: My mom was a huge fan of the show. My
Speaker 1: dad was a huge fan of the show. But we're
Speaker 1: going through the entire thing. It is so great. We
Speaker 1: love it so much.
Speaker 4: And then one young man named Lucas came up to me.
Speaker 2: Lucas, Shout out to Lucas.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Lucas, who was the first young man
Speaker 1: who recognized me, and he said, I also want to
Speaker 1: let you know that I'm such a fan of pod
Speaker 1: Meets World. That it made my best friend and I
Speaker 1: start our own podcast.
Speaker 3: Aw.
Speaker 1: No shout out to the podcast called Oh Shut Up.
Speaker 1: I've never heard it, they're just starting it. They're two
Speaker 1: like fourteen year olds. I didn't get his friend's name.
Speaker 1: I apologized. I met him, but I didn't get his name.
Speaker 3: But to Lucas and the Oh.
Speaker 1: Shut Up podcast, Wow, that was inspired by them loving
Speaker 1: pod Meets World at.
Speaker 4: Like thirteen years old. Wow, so we.
Speaker 1: Are we writer and I saw this at nineties con
Speaker 1: younger and younger generations are finding boy Meets World again
Speaker 1: because they're watching with their kids or sometimes their grandkids
Speaker 1: and they're watching the show.
Speaker 4: And now younger kids are finding the podcast too.
Speaker 1: And it was such a cool thing to be at
Speaker 1: this amazing theater. If you've never been in the Pantage,
Speaker 1: it's it's gorgeous and watching this incredible stage show. And
Speaker 1: I want to hear I want to hear what you
Speaker 1: thought of the play, Lucas, Harrison, and Jamie. Apparently producer
Speaker 1: Jensen has already done the shout out for the Ocean
Speaker 1: Up podcast. No, the play was some of most of
Speaker 1: the acting was was good. Really, some of it was
Speaker 1: a little high school.
Speaker 2: Wow, writer, have you seen it twice?
Speaker 3: I saw it.
Speaker 5: I saw on Broadway London and on Broadway. I saw
Speaker 5: it on Broadway, Okay, cried the entire time and was
Speaker 5: I just going through an emotional thing? Yes, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Then I went and saw in.
Speaker 5: La two weeks ago, cried the entire time. I really
Speaker 5: loved it even more. Id you Harry Potter as a dad?
Speaker 3: It's a father son story.
Speaker 4: It's like, it's the way like.
Speaker 5: I, you know, had Indy went through the such Harry
Speaker 5: Potter phase. I had never read Harry Potter like back
Speaker 5: in the day, never, so I did it all with Indy,
Speaker 5: and I, you know, I liked it. I never like
Speaker 5: loved the Harry. I just felt I was too old.
Speaker 5: But when we saw the play on Broadway, I was like,
Speaker 5: this is my way into Harry Potter. It was just
Speaker 5: it got me. It's time travel, which I'm obsessed with
Speaker 5: time travel.
Speaker 1: Right, But it's also men of meta universes, which you
Speaker 1: hate multiverse.
Speaker 5: I know there's a little bit of fans service, but
Speaker 5: I just think the writing is so good. I think
Speaker 5: I think it's the best of all the Harry Potter stuff.
Speaker 5: It's the one for me, And I also just love
Speaker 5: the magic being live, like all.
Speaker 3: The theater tricks that they do.
Speaker 5: They do things like people transform on stage, there's flames
Speaker 5: arcing across they go on the train, the roof of
Speaker 5: the train, and like the special effects are so much
Speaker 5: more fun when they're live, you know, Like watching magic
Speaker 5: in the movies is like okay, c G I most
Speaker 5: of the time. Like for me after the third one,
Speaker 5: the visual effects I don't really like, but the.
Speaker 3: Visual effects of the play like, oh so good.
Speaker 2: How old do you need? How old do you think?
Speaker 2: Is the perfect time for me to start? Addler on
Speaker 2: Harry Potter?
Speaker 4: It depends the first book.
Speaker 1: The first I would argue maybe book and a half
Speaker 1: to two books could be for younger audiences.
Speaker 4: By book three, it starts to get pretty scary.
Speaker 2: There is not a Adler doesn't mind scary.
Speaker 3: He doesn't mind sick. I think five or six, Indy
Speaker 3: was a little old. Indy was a little young.
Speaker 2: But I think you were reading it to him, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: I read.
Speaker 5: Him the first three books, and yes he tapped out
Speaker 5: of the third one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I got there too early, and I think
Speaker 3: it give me a little sick.
Speaker 5: Seven Yeah, was scary. It was just not as interesting.
Speaker 5: It was more complicated.
Speaker 1: Like that, it gets very intricate, it gets more characters.
Speaker 1: It's almost like a kid's story and ends as a
Speaker 1: full fantasy series.
Speaker 5: The first one is like a roll doll book like
Speaker 5: it's it's like good for kindergart's first graders to listen to.
Speaker 1: It's great Sorcerers Stone. Yeah, I think you could start
Speaker 1: SORCER's Stone with them.
Speaker 2: Do you need to have read any of the books
Speaker 2: to enjoy the play?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay yeah, or seeing the movies. You have to
Speaker 5: have seen the movies to really enjoy the play.
Speaker 1: I think you need to know. I mean because again
Speaker 1: they're going back with old characters and new characters and
Speaker 1: yeah it doesn't yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, well so fun. Another question, why do you think
Speaker 2: you and suit because I also am reliving my twenties.
Speaker 2: I am going out all the time. Yeah, just all
Speaker 2: the time. I have three lunches this week with three
Speaker 2: different girlfriends.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: So what what's what's causing your twenties renaissance?
Speaker 1: People are forcing us, I think would be the short answer.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, it's like, hey, you want to go
Speaker 1: over for dinner and we're like, yeah, like that, I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty much what's happening, or like, hey, we
Speaker 1: got tickets for the thing. Now we are we are
Speaker 1: we are actually enjoying it where it's been. It's also
Speaker 1: we know that this summer is going to be b
Speaker 1: A N A N A s. Yeah, because spell bananas,
Speaker 1: because we know we're going on tour, and so that's happening,
Speaker 1: and we're having construction done in the house. It is
Speaker 1: like the next three or four months are going to
Speaker 1: be crazy pants.
Speaker 2: So living while you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're also just.
Speaker 1: Spending as much time just with the two of us
Speaker 1: as we can because we know she's going to be
Speaker 1: shooting out to sis go a lot, I'm going to
Speaker 1: be on tour. So yeah, there's we're spending as much
Speaker 1: time with each other as we can, and somehow that's
Speaker 1: arcing out to meeting new people and other friends and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so we're going out and eating at restaurants
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's been it's been nice.
Speaker 3: And once you start doing it, it gets easier and easier.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Well it's.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, it's like exercise or anything.
Speaker 5: I feel like once you like get it that, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is the problem like for so many people coming
Speaker 5: out of the pandemic, right, it's like they got so
Speaker 5: used to just being home and like walk down that
Speaker 5: the idea of like you just have to get into
Speaker 5: the habit, like when you socialize, you just keep going.
Speaker 1: It's so fun, that doesn't I can My balance is
Speaker 1: one night a week, maybe two, and then I want
Speaker 1: the rest at home. The idea we're four times a
Speaker 1: week's yeah, that's insane to me.
Speaker 2: No, No, I do agree with you. Will a night
Speaker 2: out once a week sounds great.
Speaker 1: We literally, as we were driving there last night, looked
Speaker 1: at each other and both at almost the same time said,
Speaker 1: if this play is not as entertaining as season three
Speaker 1: Love Island, USA, we're.
Speaker 4: Both gonna be us so because we had to drive
Speaker 4: to get to it, we're Love Island right there in
Speaker 4: that room over there. So luckily it was very good.
Speaker 1: But again shout out to Lucas, Harrison and Jamie and
Speaker 1: the Shut Up podcast, which was partially inspired by us
Speaker 1: on Pod Meats World helping the next generation people so
Speaker 1: you don't have a parent, I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: Welcome to pod meets World.
Speaker 4: I'm Daniel Fishal, I'm Rider Strong and I'm Wilfordell.
Speaker 2: We have hit the midpoint of season six and we
Speaker 2: are taking a break to bring you more Rewind episodes,
Speaker 2: a new group of four episodes where we ask a
Speaker 2: past guest to come back on the podcast and pick
Speaker 2: any episode we've already recapped to talk about in order
Speaker 2: to bring their POV and thoughts to Pod Meets World.
Speaker 2: And this week we are bringing back a former writer, director, showrunner,
Speaker 2: and producer of Boy Meets World, a name we constantly
Speaker 2: say when we need an answer for something we don't know.
Speaker 2: By this point, we should probably have merch that says
Speaker 2: We'll have to ask Kendall about that when he's back on.
Speaker 2: So when we asked him to come back for a
Speaker 2: be kind Rewind episode, he picked season two episode twenty three,
Speaker 2: an emotional roller coaster home and the close of what
Speaker 2: was the start of a David Kendall era of the show.
Speaker 2: So welcome back to Pod Meets World. A man near
Speaker 2: and dear to our hearts and someone who knows where
Speaker 2: all the bodies are buried. It's David Kendall.
Speaker 6: A Okay, can you see me?
Speaker 7: Can you hear me? Can if you can hear it?
Speaker 7: Can you hear me see me. Okay, good, I just
Speaker 7: want to see if I can get you guys, just.
Speaker 2: Well, still listen to you. You're still directed, Kendall. All right,
Speaker 2: still here, good, welcome back. So good to see you
Speaker 2: as always. I was really excited when I found out
Speaker 2: that you picked this episode for us. First of all,
Speaker 2: it's a real throwback for us, considering we are at
Speaker 2: the midway point of season six.
Speaker 7: You're in middle of six now, okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So going back to two is just the warmest, coziest.
Speaker 4: That's what you got from it?
Speaker 2: Blank it? Yes, what did you get from it?
Speaker 4: It just made me sad. It made me sad for
Speaker 4: in the show.
Speaker 2: We are now, right, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Because because it's so good it is, the characters are
Speaker 1: so like well drawn and like, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a tight episode. Ere thing makes.
Speaker 1: Television show than we're watching right now, just two different shows.
Speaker 1: And I was arguably having more fun shooting season six
Speaker 1: because we were all together in our cast.
Speaker 4: But but man, it was it was like slipping into
Speaker 4: a warm tub.
Speaker 1: And at first it was great, and then it just
Speaker 1: made me sad.
Speaker 5: You directed season six, right, we must have seen an
Speaker 5: episode because you came back.
Speaker 4: I came back.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 6: I ran for two and three, I was not there
Speaker 6: at all for four. I got into the rotation in
Speaker 6: season five and was there through to the end.
Speaker 7: I tried to take that season.
Speaker 5: Six episodes you would have directed that we've seen already.
Speaker 6: I can't remember where you are in it. But I
Speaker 6: picked this episode because it's the only episode that I
Speaker 6: worked on as a writer, producer and director of the show.
Speaker 6: Because it's the end of season two, and that was
Speaker 6: my first season, and I, you know, I hired myself
Speaker 6: to direct it, and uh, you know, and it was
Speaker 6: only the second episode of television I had ever directed,
Speaker 6: and so it yeah, important to me in a lot
Speaker 6: of ways, and and and it turned out great, and
Speaker 6: you know, I watched it the other night and it
Speaker 6: really holds up. And also, uh, when you did the
Speaker 6: first rewatch, when you showed this, yeah, it's it said
Speaker 6: David Trainor had directed it.
Speaker 1: So right, I'm curious when you were you were I've
Speaker 1: let that show, I've.
Speaker 7: Let that shoe.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you know the date and.
Speaker 1: The time when you were producing the show and hired
Speaker 1: yourself as a director.
Speaker 4: What was the interview process like.
Speaker 7: It was tough?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough.
Speaker 7: It was tough.
Speaker 6: Yeah, tough questions, tough questions, but I got through it.
Speaker 7: It's kind of a blur. It's kind of a blur.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad we're setting the record straight. Home was
Speaker 2: not directed by David Trainer was directed by David Kendall.
Speaker 2: That is an I m d be mistakes.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, hell with them? Yeah? Or the heck
Speaker 7: with them? Can I say hell?
Speaker 2: You can say whatever you want.
Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, you're gonna blip this out.
Speaker 2: We won't use it as a all right, Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: let's remind our audience what the synopsis of the show is.
Speaker 2: Sean is invited to stay with the Matthews after Chet
Speaker 2: takes off, he starts to feel like a burden and
Speaker 2: sneaks out. Sean ends up on mister Turner's doorstep yet again,
Speaker 2: where Turner gives him a lecture about finding direction in life.
Speaker 2: So this episode you directed, you produced, you helped write,
Speaker 2: it was so much for you? Was this like a
Speaker 2: super big undertaking for you?
Speaker 6: Well, you know, at that point, it's the end of
Speaker 6: the season, so the scripture are pretty much done, or
Speaker 6: they should be. But it was just kind of a
Speaker 6: nice thing for me just to be selfish for a moment.
Speaker 6: Is I was involved. You know, I was on the floor.
Speaker 6: I'm running the room, I know you folks, and it's like,
Speaker 6: I'm I want to direct, and it's like, here's an opportunity.
Speaker 6: And the networks was cool with it. Michael was cool
Speaker 6: with it, and you know, it worked out, so it
Speaker 6: was it was also great fun. I got to throw
Speaker 6: some visual things in there that you know, because I'm
Speaker 6: on the floor with you guys, and I was happy
Speaker 6: with the staging and you know I was.
Speaker 7: I was really excited.
Speaker 6: And you know, looking back thousands of years later, it's
Speaker 6: still like, hey, this is a good episode.
Speaker 4: It What was the first one you directed? You said
Speaker 4: this was number two?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: I on Just the ten of Us, the Growing Plaint
Speaker 6: spin off. In my previous life, I directed an episode
Speaker 6: of Just a ten of Us.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 3: Do you remember if we knew we were picked up
Speaker 3: or not? You never knew, We never knew.
Speaker 7: I mean that was a point. It's like we lived
Speaker 7: on the bubble for all those years, at least of
Speaker 7: the years I was there, and.
Speaker 6: That was part of the redoing or revamping or whatever
Speaker 6: we did in season two. Was it was not a guaranteed.
Speaker 6: It was not a lock. The show is not a lock,
Speaker 6: and I don't know if it ever was.
Speaker 2: We talk about this a lot about like how the
Speaker 2: season story ideas come together. Where in the process from
Speaker 2: a writer and director showrunner perspective, where does the idea
Speaker 2: for what the finale of a season might be? Where
Speaker 2: does that come in the process? Is it very early on?
Speaker 6: Well, usually early on you have an idea of where
Speaker 6: you want to go okay, and what the kind of
Speaker 6: big markers are going to be, and what the kind
Speaker 6: of for one of a better turn, the milestone episodes
Speaker 6: are going to be where the big turns are, And
Speaker 6: it was I can't remember where the inception of this
Speaker 6: came from, but it was like, you know, we were
Speaker 6: looking to evolve the show. Bringing in Tony was a
Speaker 6: great addition and the chemistry that he had with everybody
Speaker 6: was great. And again, it's a TV show, it's a comedy.
Speaker 6: We try to take the character seriously, and taking Sean's
Speaker 6: home life seriously and his friendship with.
Speaker 7: Corey seriously.
Speaker 6: What would be a nice evolution And since the teachers
Speaker 6: were mentors, it was it just kind of seemed organic.
Speaker 6: I don't I don't remember the the pulling and hauling
Speaker 6: and and and stuff that went on in the room,
Speaker 6: but it seemed like a nice logical, organic conclusion and
Speaker 6: a way to keep people tuned into what's what's going
Speaker 6: to happen next year? And also what's also was good
Speaker 6: for us in the show and people running show, is
Speaker 6: the network just going to think, what's going to happen?
Speaker 7: Will this look interesting next year? Right?
Speaker 2: So do you think from like day one at the
Speaker 2: start of season two, was the idea at the end
Speaker 2: of this Sean's gonna end up living with mister Turner.
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely not, because we don't know that Tony's going to
Speaker 6: work out, We don't know how the chemistry is going
Speaker 6: to be, and you know, you usually want to be
Speaker 6: or at like I want to be, you know, eight
Speaker 6: or ken stories ahead. But it was just kind of
Speaker 6: working and it's, uh, it worked out nice.
Speaker 5: Now we've already had the episode where Sean is going
Speaker 5: to take the baseball bat to Turner's bike, right, that
Speaker 5: was only that was like three or four episodes before.
Speaker 1: This, Harley's last episode, Harley's well, the character of Harley's
Speaker 1: last episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think because by then you could tell
Speaker 5: that you guys were already planting the seeds for me,
Speaker 5: Yeah and Turner to be together that way, we.
Speaker 6: Were starting that and seeing how you guys worked off.
Speaker 6: And also one of the great blessings of the show
Speaker 6: is how much how the chemistry was between so many
Speaker 6: of you of you actors, and it's like, hey, Tony's
Speaker 6: stuff is looking really good with with with Ben, with Feoenie,
Speaker 6: I mean, some of their their discussions, the back and
Speaker 6: forth between uh, Turner and Foenie are just great. And
Speaker 6: the back and forth with with Sean and Tony was
Speaker 6: so good in that episode. Just looking at it other night,
Speaker 6: there are so many things like when he gets you know,
Speaker 6: when he starts yelling at Sean and and in the
Speaker 6: ballroom dancing line, and it's like he's yelling, but.
Speaker 7: He's not an a hole. He's yelling at this kid.
Speaker 6: Who's who's screwed up, and it's like you're still on
Speaker 6: his side, which is, you know, not a small accomplishment.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I think watching this episode
Speaker 1: made me realize so much about seasons.
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to sit here in Bashion season six,
Speaker 4: they're just different. They're just different. I know, but it
Speaker 4: so made me miss the adults.
Speaker 1: It made me miss the grown ups of the show
Speaker 1: because we became the grown ups of the show. So
Speaker 1: Rusty and Betsy weren't there, Tony wasn't there, even Kat Thompson.
Speaker 1: I mean, there were scenes that just took place between adults,
Speaker 1: and it was such a nice break from it being
Speaker 1: a kid show quote unquote that it really was a
Speaker 1: wonderful balance that it.
Speaker 5: Was also as adults were we kind of act crazy
Speaker 5: and six you're like you're you as like Eric as
Speaker 5: an adult is not like that's not what's happening.
Speaker 3: And Sean and Corey are kind of flailing.
Speaker 5: So it's like there isn't that ground I mean, I
Speaker 5: guess Beanie's there, but he's also kind of like out
Speaker 5: of his element too, Like this has such a clearer
Speaker 5: like worldview that is so grounding and and and comfort comforting,
Speaker 5: you know, and then as kids, like we mess up
Speaker 5: and but there's a sense that like I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's it's I missed like the Matthews House, I miss
Speaker 5: the school.
Speaker 6: I like to do a show for six or seven years,
Speaker 6: it's nearly impossible.
Speaker 5: I mean, going to college really destabilized our sense of location,
Speaker 5: Like you know, the student union kind of becomes that,
Speaker 5: but like the dorm rooms never fuel because everyone's got
Speaker 5: their separate room, Like it just doesn't.
Speaker 3: Whereas when I watched.
Speaker 5: This episode, it's like, ah, there's an apartment where Turner,
Speaker 5: you know, and even that is going to become a
Speaker 5: center of a new show.
Speaker 7: Had to grow and the characters I know, of course,
Speaker 7: don't like change. Dave, I know you do.
Speaker 6: I remember the drop shot when you watched the first
Speaker 6: episode of season two. And also it was nice to
Speaker 6: see how the promise. I guess I'm tooting my own
Speaker 6: horn a little, but of what we started in season
Speaker 6: two ended and sign of all kind of came together
Speaker 6: in those last episode season two, pushing us all into
Speaker 6: season three.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I love how beautifully the A and B
Speaker 2: storyline connect in this one. It's just so to me.
Speaker 2: It is such a mastery of writing when you're able
Speaker 2: to get the fact that mister Turner in his life
Speaker 2: is being confronted with the idea that he's having a
Speaker 2: hard time with commitment and why is that? And maybe
Speaker 2: it's because he's been selfish for too long and he
Speaker 2: he likes being selfish, he likes doing his own thing,
Speaker 2: and how that culminates in the fact that Sean needs somebody,
Speaker 2: and it just it's so well, like literally, it's one
Speaker 2: of the tightest episodes on TV I've ever seen. Well,
Speaker 2: there's another layer of it.
Speaker 1: There's another layer too, where there's then moments of the
Speaker 1: c story that come into the A story with Phoenie,
Speaker 1: you know, telling Eric to miss the locker and all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff where it's like Feoene's involved in
Speaker 1: the Matthews lives too, So even that story comes in.
Speaker 4: It was really great, really really well, well.
Speaker 6: What's so great there's so many great things about the
Speaker 6: show we're still talking about it a billion years later.
Speaker 6: Is Bill is so strong that Bill can do a
Speaker 6: moment and it's just you feel his present throughout it.
Speaker 6: I mean, Eric Locker is just a great guy, and.
Speaker 2: He tells you everything yes yes, yeah, it's a tiny snippet,
Speaker 2: and tells you everything you need to know about their relationship.
Speaker 2: And of course, when you know right from the from
Speaker 2: the minute he says, I need you to do some
Speaker 2: yard work, you know instantly this of course is going
Speaker 2: to be one of the three Secrets, one of the
Speaker 2: Three Secrets is that he needed to get his brain
Speaker 2: off of it. But also it's a fun way of feeling, like,
Speaker 2: you know, Phoene's getting free work. It's just so great.
Speaker 2: I love I truly loved everything.
Speaker 3: Going back to going back to what what Will was
Speaker 3: talking about With the adults too.
Speaker 5: It's really interesting to think about how much time the
Speaker 5: adults are concerned about the kids.
Speaker 3: Like they're all talking to each other.
Speaker 5: They're all figured it's like Sewan's not like Seawn's life
Speaker 5: experience is not happening in a vacuum. There's like this
Speaker 5: sort of Greek chorus of God's you know, like the
Speaker 5: adults sitting around being like what are we going to
Speaker 5: do about Sean? Who's going to take care of Sean?
Speaker 5: What's happening with Seawn's dad?
Speaker 3: I don't know? And like that is I really missed that?
Speaker 3: Like that is so comforting.
Speaker 7: How good is Darlene? How good is Darlene?
Speaker 4: Phenomenal?
Speaker 1: But it's also the thing that's so great is that
Speaker 1: the keeping it another step towards how real it is.
Speaker 1: It easily could have gone Sitcom with We're all just
Speaker 1: so concerned about Sean.
Speaker 4: What's gonna happen with Sean, but it was also Alan
Speaker 4: going we can't afford this, Yeah, yeah, our family can't
Speaker 4: physically afford this.
Speaker 1: This is affecting us too, and man, I feel so
Speaker 1: bad for Sean, but there comes a point where we're
Speaker 1: not going to be able to do this anymore. So
Speaker 1: it was just even another layer of realism onto it,
Speaker 1: which is just so great.
Speaker 6: But just another thing and looking at it the other
Speaker 6: night is the moment where Sean arrives with the cop
Speaker 6: at the door or excuse me, the cat, Darling Vogel
Speaker 6: and Tony Quannard having the scene and it's interrupted the
Speaker 6: cops of the door. There's an act break, but it
Speaker 6: really plays like five six minutes of straight ahead action
Speaker 6: without any breaks in the time is just straight ahead.
Speaker 6: They're talking about their relationship, the cop arrives, Kat excuses
Speaker 6: herself and the two guys sit down and you see
Speaker 6: this kind of fun bonding with this undercurrent of you know,
Speaker 6: you're screwing up, Sewan, someone needs to be there for you,
Speaker 6: and it's just and you're both hitting all the marks,
Speaker 6: you're both hating all the wonderful thing.
Speaker 5: That's one of my favorite scenes, like watching it back too, like,
Speaker 5: because that's where I turned right.
Speaker 3: Like, what do you want to know about where you are?
Speaker 3: I mean, at that moment, you're just and then we
Speaker 3: put our feet up.
Speaker 4: I was just like, Oh, that's.
Speaker 3: Like going to be such a big part of the show.
Speaker 3: And you can just see it come together right there.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, now they have to live together.
Speaker 4: That physicality is that was and I think this was
Speaker 4: all you, David.
Speaker 1: I mean, all the messicality of her taking his hands
Speaker 1: and putting his hands on her face and all that
Speaker 1: kind of Oh, it.
Speaker 4: Was just was wonderful.
Speaker 2: Really well, speaking of the adults on the show, I
Speaker 2: want to talk to you specifically about Blake Clark, because he's.
Speaker 7: Oh goodness great, Yeah, Blake is great.
Speaker 2: I mean we talk about I mean, this is this
Speaker 2: could almost be considered a drive by for him if
Speaker 2: it weren't for the fact that he was a recurring
Speaker 2: character on the show already. What we talk a lot
Speaker 2: about is when we get a fantastic guest star that
Speaker 2: pops in, has only a couple of scenes but leaves
Speaker 2: a lasting impression. We call that like a great drive by. Yes,
Speaker 2: he does that. He has one very short scene where
Speaker 2: he's not even in the room with any of the
Speaker 2: other characters, and it makes a dramatic impact. He has
Speaker 2: a little bit of a thinking outside the box pick
Speaker 2: for this as an actor, because he was mostly known
Speaker 2: as a stand up comedian. I mean, I know he
Speaker 2: had done some home improvement, but do you remember how
Speaker 2: you guys landed on him for this role.
Speaker 6: I can't remember. I think he just read and he
Speaker 6: nailed it. And so many great things about Blake, and
Speaker 6: I've worked with him on other years after that is
Speaker 6: and this was true in the writer's room when you're
Speaker 6: working on stuff and trying to come up with stuff
Speaker 6: for Blake, is like everybody ends up talking like Blake.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, Sean.
Speaker 7: It's so infectious. It's kind of attitudes.
Speaker 6: And everybody and your picture lines and your pigeon like Blake.
Speaker 6: And just to answer the question from because I not
Speaker 6: only did I watch the episode, I listened to your rewatch.
Speaker 2: Oh you listened to twenty three?
Speaker 7: I did you know? I'm nerdy that way? You know?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 6: And that when you see uh Chet at the restaurant
Speaker 6: and you see out the window that's a giant TV
Speaker 6: pushed up against the window.
Speaker 3: Amazing and somebody ran out.
Speaker 6: And just shot some stock footage of just kind of
Speaker 6: we shot the stock footage of just cars driving by,
Speaker 6: and we had you know, uh, the lighting department propped
Speaker 6: the TV up so it's right by the window. Wow,
Speaker 6: And we put a shade over the window so you
Speaker 6: eyed un't time to study it, and so it was
Speaker 6: a nice little effect.
Speaker 3: So, you know, really amazing.
Speaker 5: I want to say shout out to our lighting department too,
Speaker 5: because they're also that scene with Sean and Corey in
Speaker 5: the in the bedroom. Yeah, yeah, wonderful in a way
Speaker 5: that our shows usually aren't.
Speaker 3: And the way that the black, the lighty, the shadow
Speaker 3: is right over Sean's eyes, it's really effective. I was like,
Speaker 3: actually noticed it.
Speaker 5: I was like, this the show is like a noir
Speaker 5: suddenly has like this noir look to it.
Speaker 3: That was really cool.
Speaker 6: And Ben's moment when he says he needs a home
Speaker 6: and he does so cute and fun and smart and
Speaker 6: funny and and you know, everybody was great in that
Speaker 6: episode and Ben, uh, you know, Ben nails its it all.
Speaker 5: Absolutely God when he comes out of the tree at
Speaker 5: the end and he's like, oh God, I broke God's
Speaker 5: so funny and.
Speaker 7: Ben is ninety year old, man. I mean take the rolls,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 2: And by the way, we will say he's also been
Speaker 2: a high point of season six for us.
Speaker 4: One of the one of the few high points of
Speaker 4: season six has been seas.
Speaker 2: He is having so much fun. He's back to very
Speaker 2: neurotic Corey and that that has been really nice.
Speaker 3: But he seems so young in this does doesn't he like?
Speaker 5: Because I'm physically the same size, but Ben is so
Speaker 5: much smaller when we started the shows, like.
Speaker 7: I think his moments before his voice changed too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember that he came back. I think
Speaker 4: for season three it was like, hey, how you doing.
Speaker 4: It's like whoa wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hi, okay, So I know we must have I
Speaker 2: know we talked about it when we did our original recap.
Speaker 2: I'm not as prepared to as David. I did not
Speaker 2: re listen to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious during your re listen, did you also
Speaker 1: miss the adults? No?
Speaker 2: Okay? What was in the bag that Kat left at
Speaker 2: his house? I think we decided it must have been
Speaker 2: a bra.
Speaker 7: You decide, okay. I think it's good to not know
Speaker 7: what it is.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 7: I think to have it open for disc USh and
Speaker 7: it's actually more interesting.
Speaker 4: You're going a Tarantino exactly what we were doing. That
Speaker 4: glow that comes out.
Speaker 7: Better to not know and not not define it.
Speaker 3: Ever, say that word.
Speaker 7: It's better to not define it.
Speaker 4: Will you have a problem with panties? Panties?
Speaker 2: People do it. It doesn't bother me really. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Wait, panties is like moist, where some people like it,
Speaker 5: and moist is totally fine for me.
Speaker 7: But what about moist panties?
Speaker 2: I think it was a bra. She said she has
Speaker 2: more than one of them, and and that it was
Speaker 2: fine to leave at his house.
Speaker 4: There's a braw fit in that tiny little don't they fold?
Speaker 2: I meant, oh, it's not that tiny. It's a lunch bag.
Speaker 2: It's a brown paper or lunch bag definitely fits in there.
Speaker 4: Wait. Does he use the singular or plural?
Speaker 3: I think he uses the plural?
Speaker 4: Does he uses same? You say you left these or
Speaker 4: you left this? Because this is a bra.
Speaker 6: Let it be a mystery for the generations to ponder.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, says this it's a bra.
Speaker 4: We still think it's Fanny's.
Speaker 2: He doesn't say these, he doesn't.
Speaker 4: Okay, you got it. This is the show, Dave.
Speaker 7: This is what happened? Okay, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: What happens when you know, when you do a TV
Speaker 2: show together for seven years and then you do a
Speaker 2: podcast together for about seven years.
Speaker 1: And your friends twenty years in the middle tour and
Speaker 1: then tour exactly.
Speaker 2: I know another thing we must have spent a long
Speaker 2: time talking about, because I'm even having flashbacks as I'm
Speaker 2: saying it. It is about cat needling Turner about marriage
Speaker 2: and love.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, we'll have a thing about that.
Speaker 2: After the war months of dating. Yes, yes, it's a
Speaker 2: real or get off the pot conversation? And is what
Speaker 2: do you think.
Speaker 7: Of the original line to get off.
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 4: It would have been better?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What do you think? Is it was this? Looking back?
Speaker 2: Do you think that was premature of her? Or what's
Speaker 2: your what's your take on it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's premature, but people do premature things. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's the thing.
Speaker 6: People say inappropriate things all the time. So and also
Speaker 6: I think, and I looked at it again the other night,
Speaker 6: she's almost joking.
Speaker 7: If Tony had.
Speaker 6: Had decided to diffuse that with a laugh, it would
Speaker 6: have not got serious contes that mean you want to
Speaker 6: marry me?
Speaker 7: And he could have made a joke about that.
Speaker 6: He took it seriously, right, you got that right?
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah.
Speaker 6: And also it's probably it could be inappropriate, but you know,
Speaker 6: maybe that's how she felt in the moment, if we're
Speaker 6: taking Kat as a real character. But also people say
Speaker 6: things they shouldn't all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And and people, especially uh adults in
Speaker 2: relationships of a certain age where you start to feel
Speaker 2: the pressure of am I gonna get married? Am I
Speaker 2: going to have a family? Every relationship starts to take
Speaker 2: on a new level of importance. And if you think
Speaker 2: you found somebody you could settle down with. I can
Speaker 2: understand from her perspective being like, do you think you
Speaker 2: could feel the same way about me?
Speaker 6: Because gave her an opening he said forever. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: it's you know, and she could just be saying, what
Speaker 6: do you mean by forever? I mean, it's just I
Speaker 6: don't think it was a horrible thing, you know.
Speaker 2: And the way it ties in perfectly with the fact
Speaker 2: that she left something and unmentionable at his house and
Speaker 2: it bothered him so much. She's like, you don't you
Speaker 2: don't have to do this every time I leave something
Speaker 2: at your house that has a feeling. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: feeling you would get where you're like, why is it
Speaker 2: so offensive to you for an item of mine to
Speaker 2: be in your home for longer than like the evening.
Speaker 2: You don't have to bring it back to me every time,
Speaker 2: So it's obviously been on her mind. Another thing we've
Speaker 2: noticed is a big deal in the Boy Meets World
Speaker 2: universe are the SA tease and we have a big
Speaker 2: emphasis on them, especially for Eric here in season two,
Speaker 2: Can you, David let everyone know in our audience how
Speaker 2: vital that score was for tra.
Speaker 6: It was a make or break thing. It was kind
Speaker 6: of defining who you are, what your brain is. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's it's it's it's crap because that doesn't define who
Speaker 6: you are, who you can be. But it was really
Speaker 6: like getting a brand in your face, like okay, what
Speaker 6: your what your number is, or what it's going to be.
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, I'm glad it's it's that is
Speaker 6: de emphasized, you know so much, and we put enough
Speaker 6: pressure on kids without this kind of horrible marker. And yeah,
Speaker 6: because the show is a coming of age in so
Speaker 6: many ways, and Eric is trying to redefine himself a
Speaker 6: little bit, and uh, you know, see what he can do,
Speaker 6: see what he can be. And Jason is great too.
Speaker 6: I mean there's see you believe their friends. That's another thing,
Speaker 6: their chemistry. You believe these guys were friends, and.
Speaker 1: He was also Ryder and I have talked about how
Speaker 1: and Danielle has has We've all discussed how I learned
Speaker 1: how to act kind of as the show was going,
Speaker 1: and every time I'm with Jason, especially in the early episodes,
Speaker 1: you just see the difference in the caliber of sitcom
Speaker 1: actor for that age. I mean, Jason was working on
Speaker 1: another level than I was at that point. He was
Speaker 1: just so good and so natural with the comedy. And
Speaker 1: eventually I got there. And I think one of the
Speaker 1: reasons is because I was working with people like Jason.
Speaker 3: This is his last episode, it was, right, Was this.
Speaker 4: The last time we saw season two? Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know if he came back for a season. So he
Speaker 4: walks off that he does.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 5: He's one of the few exits like the other way
Speaker 5: from Phoenie's yard, like.
Speaker 3: Camera oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was just the whole episode is It
Speaker 1: was great and everybody, you forget how big a cast
Speaker 1: we have until you see an episode like this, and
Speaker 1: there's multiple storylines going on with that all intersect, but
Speaker 1: it seemed like we had forty.
Speaker 4: People in the company when you're watching this episode.
Speaker 1: It was really amazing to see kind of the dance
Speaker 1: of everybody working.
Speaker 4: Around and it worked. It all worked great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a great episode. It was fun to see
Speaker 6: Ivory ocean Ash the policeman as policemen. In Growing Pains,
Speaker 6: he played a part called cop.
Speaker 1: So you know. He was also also in Seinfeld he
Speaker 1: played the one eyed police officer who's trying to find
Speaker 1: newman a white whale. So he's I mean he right
Speaker 1: when he popped on. This guy constantly plays a police.
Speaker 7: Officer that's cop or policeman. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: We joke a lot about the very serious young writer
Speaker 2: Strong and how seriously he took his craft. You were
Speaker 2: there obviously dealing with some of his very first big
Speaker 2: dramatic scenes and episodes. Right, What do you remember about
Speaker 2: as the director steering the ship for young dramatic writer Strong.
Speaker 6: What I remember is that his instincts were always good,
Speaker 6: and he always understood it and always felt it and
Speaker 6: always took it seriously in a good way. Those memory
Speaker 6: banks are pretty dusty, I think we were probably looking
Speaker 6: at trying to make sure it didn't get too darker introspective,
Speaker 6: But those memory are are pretty dusty and just kind
Speaker 6: of remember, you know, the stuff in the scene where
Speaker 6: you know, what do you want to know about women?
Speaker 6: And the moments where he says he needs to leave
Speaker 6: to me. They play real, and I don't think they
Speaker 6: get too melodramatic. Maybe there's some takes that that were melodramatic,
Speaker 6: or maybe there's moments and run throughs that were, but
Speaker 6: you know, it's I don't remember thinking, oh my goodness,
Speaker 6: this is not gonna work. This guy's not on the
Speaker 6: show that we're in, the same show we're doing. I mean,
Speaker 6: what do you remember writer about that?
Speaker 5: I think I think by this at this point, I
Speaker 5: probably was had a lighter touch. I think it was
Speaker 5: more like seasons three and four that it real they
Speaker 5: started to get like you know, I mean by the
Speaker 5: time Turners in the hospital, and I'm like, I feel
Speaker 5: like that was when you had your got I'm a
Speaker 5: drum yeah, godolog And that's when I think at this point,
Speaker 5: as much as I wanted it to like, I feel
Speaker 5: like I probably were We all had a light touch.
Speaker 5: You know, and I just I just love working with Tony,
Speaker 5: Like you can tell that we're just having fun and like, yeah.
Speaker 7: So Tony keeps it.
Speaker 6: He keeps it light, even the serious stuff, which is
Speaker 6: just you know, gifted an actor he is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's what's supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that he and Kat are supposed to be
Speaker 1: what like early thirties, thirty two to thirty three kind
Speaker 1: of age right now?
Speaker 3: Sure, I think late, I don't think.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I was going to say mid thirties.
Speaker 5: I was going to say I was going to say
Speaker 5: very school in their twenty really think, okay.
Speaker 4: I I was curious where they would where they would.
Speaker 7: Be I think somewhere between twenty eight and thirty three.
Speaker 4: But it's like, yep, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Well, this episode ends on like a seemingly very promising
Speaker 2: note that Sean is going to move in with mister Turner,
Speaker 2: and then very quickly in season three, we get to
Speaker 2: a mysterious motorcycle accident. Do you remember before knowing there
Speaker 2: was going to be a motorcycle accident, do you remember
Speaker 2: any of the long term ideas for a Sean Turner
Speaker 2: living together scenario?
Speaker 6: When was the motorcycle accident? I don't think it was
Speaker 6: season three?
Speaker 3: I think it was season four. Wasn't in three?
Speaker 7: Did? I did? Think he did?
Speaker 4: And three?
Speaker 7: Tony was live and healthy when I left.
Speaker 2: The show, I was, I was alive and healthy.
Speaker 5: I think season three is when my mom comes back
Speaker 5: and I go back to No, that was season four too,
Speaker 5: wasn't the season.
Speaker 6: I think season three? When does Chet have his heart attacks?
Speaker 4: Was that season six?
Speaker 7: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, but yeah, I Tony was alive, he was fine.
Speaker 6: He was obeying traffic laws.
Speaker 7: I guess that's.
Speaker 1: When people are yelling at their their radio in their
Speaker 1: phones right now.
Speaker 4: Way, how do you not know you've seen it? How
Speaker 4: do you now not know? Yes? I think he was.
Speaker 4: Think Tony was there for all of two and all
Speaker 4: of three, right right?
Speaker 2: They moved together for all of three, yeah, and then four. Okay.
Speaker 2: Do you remember any of your ideas for for Turner
Speaker 2: going into season three? Do you remember anything of yours
Speaker 2: that was like, here's a storyline for them that I
Speaker 2: really want to do.
Speaker 6: I know, but you asked I remember any my ideas,
Speaker 6: And normally I think there's a code you don't say
Speaker 6: what your jokes were or anything. But I do remember
Speaker 6: the shaving cream on the I'm.
Speaker 2: So glad you said that because I noticed it when
Speaker 2: I washed it. I was like, how did I miss
Speaker 2: that the first time? It's so funny, great.
Speaker 7: I remember that that was my shaving.
Speaker 2: His unibrow is brilliant, really good.
Speaker 6: And you know, and and you know, Rider was a
Speaker 6: good sport about it. You know, you never know how
Speaker 6: someone's going to react when you just say, I'm to
Speaker 6: draw attention to this. Yeah, as a teenager, so you
Speaker 6: know it was.
Speaker 7: It was good gag.
Speaker 6: And all the s's in the refrigerator when Amy was
Speaker 6: marking that, I was just I was glad to be
Speaker 6: able to throw in a couple of you know, visual
Speaker 6: things in that episode.
Speaker 2: And then the S matches the patch on the back
Speaker 2: of the jeans. It makes me laugh. So it made
Speaker 2: me laugh so.
Speaker 4: Much, big What do you think my mom's going to do?
Speaker 1: She's going to take it back, patch it, clean it
Speaker 1: and put an S on it like that was oh god,
Speaker 1: it was such a good lie.
Speaker 4: I also forgot already we have to do a rewatch
Speaker 4: of the rewatch of the recast of the RePOP because
Speaker 4: I forgot Lily did two seasons.
Speaker 1: I know, I thought she was only in the first
Speaker 1: season when I see her sitting at the tables, like.
Speaker 4: Oh she did too full too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought she.
Speaker 4: Was on a season. Then she wasn't. And then Lindsay came.
Speaker 6: On and you know, the network said, you don't need her.
Speaker 6: You're going to uh tell her or her reps or
Speaker 6: her parents that she's not coming back for season three.
Speaker 6: That was really a wonderful moment in the show.
Speaker 4: So you had to do that.
Speaker 3: You had to do it.
Speaker 6: I was instructed to do that, and so rather than
Speaker 6: the network do it, I thought it would be more
Speaker 6: appropriate for people who worked on the show to call
Speaker 6: you know, her dad.
Speaker 2: And that was you know, how did that conversation go?
Speaker 6: They again, that's in dim memories, but they seemed to
Speaker 6: take it well and didn't sound all that surprised, or
Speaker 6: maybe it was just a professional approach, but that was
Speaker 6: you know, you You've talked about it a little bit,
Speaker 6: and it is amazing. The show ran for seven years
Speaker 6: and it's still insanely popular. Is it wasn't treated all
Speaker 6: that well by Networking Studio in terms of you know,
Speaker 6: being cheap. It's just like, you don't need the little girl.
Speaker 6: You're going to get rid of her, and it's just
Speaker 6: a discussion. No, it's not a discussion.
Speaker 7: You're going to do it.
Speaker 1: I think I think her dad, whose name is also David,
Speaker 1: probably was a little more pragmatic about it because he's
Speaker 1: a producer, so he probably you know, like, okay, I
Speaker 1: get ITV.
Speaker 2: We've also discussed that Lily didn't necessarily seem like she
Speaker 2: was loving Oh.
Speaker 6: I had heard that she you know that the first
Speaker 6: season I wasn't there, So you guys can can see
Speaker 6: if this comports with your memory. Was when she heard
Speaker 6: about the pickup.
Speaker 4: She cried in front of the audience. Yeah, she started
Speaker 4: balling in front of the audience.
Speaker 6: Normally, that's not the reaction you want from an actor.
Speaker 6: Where guess what, there's another season.
Speaker 4: She started yelling, I don't want to do this anything. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was.
Speaker 5: The bad time when we got picked up for the
Speaker 5: back nine, it was it was best for her.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, okay, she seriously didn't want to be there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't feel so bad now, Yeah I don't
Speaker 6: feel quite so bad.
Speaker 2: But this episode also does a really good job of
Speaker 2: highlighting the chemistry between Will and Bill. Yes, I mean
Speaker 2: it's kind of a magical pairing. What do you remember
Speaker 2: about noticing that chemistry and then playing to it.
Speaker 6: Well, it's you know, writers are kind of in the
Speaker 6: best way. Maybe this isn't the right word.
Speaker 7: Are whores? Is like, if something works, we're going to
Speaker 7: go for it.
Speaker 4: We're gonna write more of this.
Speaker 6: You know, somebody gets the left, We're going to go
Speaker 6: for this. This works great.
Speaker 2: Maybe another word would be an opportunity writer.
Speaker 6: That's okay, you're taking wrors a bad way, you know, No,
Speaker 6: not as bad way, just alternatives.
Speaker 7: Yes, we're sex workers.
Speaker 6: We're sex workers making our customers happy.
Speaker 7: Good, okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just if this works, it's just you know,
Speaker 6: it's it's your guys fault for making it work, you know,
Speaker 6: and it's okay, this this is a great relationship.
Speaker 2: We did talk about that recently, that it would would know.
Speaker 4: It's almost every episode somewhere.
Speaker 2: But we we talked about how we especially will will
Speaker 2: notice that if if something gets a laugh in one episode,
Speaker 2: we'll notice it again, if not the next episode, the
Speaker 2: episode after that, and maybe even a couple of them
Speaker 2: where it's like they worked the first time, will it
Speaker 2: work the second time?
Speaker 1: I mean how many I'm what was it first season
Speaker 1: with Danger Boy, I'm this boy.
Speaker 4: You know they tried.
Speaker 3: One time and then you build on it, and then
Speaker 3: you build.
Speaker 7: On I don't know if that was ever written.
Speaker 1: It just a mister feenie with an exclamation point. Eric
Speaker 1: stands by the fence, mister feenie. That was it.
Speaker 4: And then I could just milk.
Speaker 6: It and well, I'm a whore, Dave, you're a sex worker.
Speaker 2: But no, I remember, he's an opportune.
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 3: Really milk.
Speaker 1: We just have to hurry up because I have to
Speaker 1: have an opportunist test later to make sure I'm healthy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The uh no, the the The thing I remember distinctly
Speaker 1: was every time opening the script and seeing Eric and
Speaker 1: Feoeni together, I was just I knew it was going
Speaker 1: to be an awesome week.
Speaker 4: I was just so happy because I knew working with Bill.
Speaker 1: First of all, you were still kind of scared is
Speaker 1: not the right word, but scared around Bill.
Speaker 4: I mean he was into Yeah, he was the consummate professional.
Speaker 1: He was never angry, but he was also never the
Speaker 1: big warming Hey how was your weekend?
Speaker 4: That just wasn't Bill.
Speaker 1: Right, But he always treated you with the utmost respect.
Speaker 1: He treated you like another actor. You knew you were
Speaker 1: going to learn as you was like, just keep your
Speaker 1: mouth shut and learn as much as you can. And
Speaker 1: then when he did throw a compliment your way, it
Speaker 1: was the most amazing thing that ever happened.
Speaker 6: He lived through what you guys lived through, which is
Speaker 6: amazing to think about that.
Speaker 4: But he never told us that. We didn't know that.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't tell We talked to years later, he said, Oh,
Speaker 1: under no circumstances was I going to tell you that
Speaker 1: I had been through any of this.
Speaker 4: So he didn't.
Speaker 2: I don't think he wanted us to ask him questions.
Speaker 2: He was like, I was not trying to relate too
Speaker 2: much to you.
Speaker 6: Has it been told on the podcast the story that
Speaker 6: Bill wasn't entirely comfortable with being mister feenie, Oh yeah,
Speaker 6: in the front ear and what he said to David Traynor, I.
Speaker 2: Would love to hear it from your POV as well.
Speaker 6: All right, well they might have to blit the word
Speaker 6: is he said, Am I really going to have to
Speaker 6: stand on the other side of this fence.
Speaker 7: For five years?
Speaker 4: Seven?
Speaker 6: So that has never been told on the podcast. I
Speaker 6: asked Bill about that, and I said, did you say that,
Speaker 6: and he said, I.
Speaker 2: Suppose yes, sounds about right.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, now it can be told.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredible.
Speaker 2: We asked you about whether or not we at the
Speaker 2: end of By the time we were doing this finale,
Speaker 2: we knew whether we were picked up or not. We
Speaker 2: it feels like we were a show always on the bubble.
Speaker 6: I don't know if we knew it, definitely, because also
Speaker 6: it was a strategy by Disney to keep us guessing
Speaker 6: and keep us on our toes and keep us, you know,
Speaker 6: not asking for too much.
Speaker 2: Right. Wow, looking back now, with so much on your
Speaker 2: shoulders in season two, what do you think was the heart?
Speaker 2: What was the hardest part? Was it being a director,
Speaker 2: was it being a showrunner? Was it being a producer?
Speaker 6: There's nothing harder than running a show. Okay, it is
Speaker 6: a miserable job. Yeah, and it's just it's twenty four
Speaker 6: to seven and the pressures and it's great job. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's wonderful and it's very satisfying. But it's not like
Speaker 6: I think people in the middle of running a show aren't.
Speaker 6: I'm having the best time.
Speaker 7: I don't think you say that.
Speaker 6: When you're running a show, you do that when you're
Speaker 6: directing or when you're acting, when things are going well,
Speaker 6: but running the show is is is really difficult, and
Speaker 6: there's always pressures and it's like, you know, somebody was
Speaker 6: that teaching a class or something. Someone said, so, what's
Speaker 6: a typical day in running a show?
Speaker 7: Said? There is no typical day in a running show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, your script could be thrown out, the
Speaker 6: outline that you thought was going to work, the network doesn't.
Speaker 7: Want to do.
Speaker 6: The actor that you thought you had can't do it,
Speaker 6: and and you're going to have to rearrange scripts so
Speaker 6: that you can keep that actor in the arc. I mean,
Speaker 6: it's just the cut is seven minutes long, and you
Speaker 6: thought it was only going to be three minutes long.
Speaker 7: And it's always.
Speaker 2: Just it's just constantly putting out fires, right.
Speaker 6: Putting out fires, And it's just, you know, is that
Speaker 6: script going to read well? You think we are so
Speaker 6: confident in the script, it's going to be great. Holy cow,
Speaker 6: there wasn't a laugh. We're going to be here all night,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 7: It's just you don't know, and it's great, and it's great.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you, what do you remember what the
Speaker 1: biggest fire was you ever had to put out as
Speaker 1: the show runner a boy.
Speaker 7: They were there's so much any that they always kind
Speaker 7: of blur.
Speaker 6: And I was as I was going through getting ready
Speaker 6: for this episode and looking at the episodes that I
Speaker 6: had directed, I was remembering, I think it was the
Speaker 6: show that the Truman Show parody. I can't remember what
Speaker 6: it was called, but uh, in.
Speaker 4: Case you just we just recap that, Okay.
Speaker 6: A nutty show. It's it's very very nutty. And the
Speaker 6: table reading was a flat line. It was just nothing work.
Speaker 6: This is gonna be hell. And of course I'm not
Speaker 6: in the room now, I'm just on the stage waiting
Speaker 6: for pages. And it was like, okay, you're not going
Speaker 6: to have the script tomorrow. They're still working on it,
Speaker 6: so you know, what do we do? Well, we should
Speaker 6: have the first act by tomorrow, okay. And we ended
Speaker 6: up block shooting the script on two different days. We
Speaker 6: did the A story one day and the Bat story
Speaker 6: the other day, and that was just like what you do?
Speaker 3: You know, it was a tough episode because you have
Speaker 3: the water coming down.
Speaker 4: I'm the Truman Show. There's water on the set.
Speaker 5: There's like them climbing out of a window, and then
Speaker 5: there's a huge crowd in the student union.
Speaker 3: That's a complicated episode.
Speaker 1: Oh man, So wait, I have I have a question
Speaker 1: for you, because you obviously are somebody who wore so
Speaker 1: many hats on the show. When you come back to
Speaker 1: direct something like The Truman Show and the script doesn't work.
Speaker 4: Right, do you then also go into the writer's room
Speaker 4: or are you like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
Speaker 4: no no.
Speaker 6: I get the fun job. I get to go home,
Speaker 6: go home, Okay, so you know, I get the fun job,
Speaker 6: get the show. Another moment I remember in that is
Speaker 6: the Beast story was, uh, Corey and and Sean are
Speaker 6: trying to apply foene with with a nice brunch to improve,
Speaker 6: which was funny, really funny, and and you guys were great.
Speaker 6: The last moment of it, when Phoebe is flunking them
Speaker 6: is Ben flings a waffle at the table and Bill
Speaker 6: starts to eat it. If I had told Bill, We're
Speaker 6: going to throw a waffle at you and you're going
Speaker 6: to eat it, he never would have done that. But
Speaker 6: the fact that it just kind of happened was I
Speaker 6: was very happy because it's a great gag. If you
Speaker 6: had telled William Daniels, Bill they're gonna throw a waffle
Speaker 6: at you.
Speaker 7: You're gonna eat it? He would have he would have
Speaker 7: looked at me a skance.
Speaker 2: Right, But the fact that it was spontaneous.
Speaker 4: Yes, and his idea, Yes, yes, they have to eat this.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So you know, things happen when when you don't plan it.
Speaker 6: But I remember that week was very strange because the
Speaker 6: table reading flat line.
Speaker 1: And that makes sense because I did not like the
Speaker 1: A story, mostly because and we talked about this, because
Speaker 1: of my performance. I felt like it was it wasn't
Speaker 1: really played for comedy and it wasn't really played for drama,
Speaker 1: so it kind of fell somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 4: But the man the bet story was hysteric.
Speaker 7: Be sorry.
Speaker 6: It was funny, and you know, there's some good moments
Speaker 6: in it, as there always are in that, but it
Speaker 6: was by that time there was just kind of nuttiness.
Speaker 7: I mean I was not in the room for any
Speaker 7: of that.
Speaker 6: Basically, I got the script delivered and it's like, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is my job this week. But uh, you know,
Speaker 6: I don't think America was dying to see boy Me's
Speaker 6: World do a Truman Show parody.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Now, how did you feel coming back to the show
Speaker 1: to direct episodes later, like did you have to bite
Speaker 1: your tongue sometimes with the direction they were taking some
Speaker 1: of the characters, or did you like you said, were
Speaker 1: you like, not my business, I'm going to direct with
Speaker 1: the handmade from.
Speaker 6: For the most part, is like, this is my job.
Speaker 6: I remember the episode with the young artist, the girl
Speaker 6: who's in the same.
Speaker 7: Age as but.
Speaker 2: Alexandra Nikita.
Speaker 6: Yes, And I remember getting the script and reading it
Speaker 6: at homegoing this.
Speaker 7: Makes no sense. This is what's going to happen. I
Speaker 7: don't know what's going I couldn't sleep. What is what
Speaker 7: are people going to say? Are they going to send
Speaker 7: us home?
Speaker 6: And I know it's not my job. Should I come
Speaker 6: up with ways to solve it? But that's not what
Speaker 6: I do? And so, you know, it was the table
Speaker 6: reading and it was fine. Yeah, there's some nice jokes,
Speaker 6: here's some moments that worked, and the notes were okay,
Speaker 6: and it was like it was a kind of a lesson,
Speaker 6: and this is your job, David. You're going to show
Speaker 6: up and you're gonna direct, direct it. And I remember
Speaker 6: a couple of things Bennett asked me while we were
Speaker 6: on the floor, is you know Corey's doing this, and
Speaker 6: then the next scene he's doing this. There's it doesn't
Speaker 6: make sense the transition, what's going on? And I, thinking
Speaker 6: on my feet, said, imagine a scene where this happened
Speaker 6: and Corey learned this and this allowed him to change
Speaker 6: his mind. This would be the connecting thread from that
Speaker 6: scene to the scene. But we don't need to see
Speaker 6: that scene. The audience needs to see that scene. So
Speaker 6: let's imagine that that scene took place.
Speaker 7: You know, so.
Speaker 5: You wrote an extra scene that you couldn't actually write
Speaker 5: and just gave it to the actor.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, so you know, it's what what you do.
Speaker 6: And and it was just a lesson as I was
Speaker 6: still kind of learning how to be a director. And
Speaker 6: you get the script, you make it as good as
Speaker 6: you can. You find every single moment if someone asked
Speaker 6: you for your input as a producer and and but
Speaker 6: your that's not what your job is.
Speaker 7: That's what I mean.
Speaker 6: It's like in a way a kin you guys tell
Speaker 6: me because I'm not an actor, of being an actor,
Speaker 6: like here's the script, I'm going to make this work
Speaker 6: because that's my job.
Speaker 2: It's so funny hearing you talk about that stuff, like
Speaker 2: thinking about now being a director myself, and how many
Speaker 2: of my conversations as a director with actors focus around
Speaker 2: things I don't have any control, you know, and it
Speaker 2: being like but story wise and but character but why
Speaker 2: from here to here? And exactly what you said? You
Speaker 2: can you can give backstory, you can give subtext, you
Speaker 2: can give hypotheticals, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: if what really is something that an actor is bumping
Speaker 2: up against can only be changed in the writing, There's
Speaker 2: only so much I can do right now, and I
Speaker 2: will pass along your message.
Speaker 4: Are you the conduit then to then say, actor told me, Well,
Speaker 4: in a lot.
Speaker 5: Of ways, actors have more power than the director. So
Speaker 5: the actors have more potential to go to the showrunner
Speaker 5: or the writers and say this needs to change. The
Speaker 5: director kind of can't do that, like because the actors
Speaker 5: are going to have to be there the next week,
Speaker 5: and you know, been a director, you might only be
Speaker 5: there for one week, so you don't have the authority
Speaker 5: you could.
Speaker 3: You could maybe bring.
Speaker 5: It up, but like you're not on the poster.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: True, But on all the shows I have worked on,
Speaker 2: I have found so far that when a situation like
Speaker 2: that comes up and I say to them, would you
Speaker 2: like me to bring this up the showrunner? Every time
Speaker 2: the actor says, I would love that, thank you, and
Speaker 2: then I am able to go. Sometimes in thirty minutes
Speaker 2: when we break for lunch, go right up to the
Speaker 2: writer's room and say, hey, from the floor, this is
Speaker 2: what we're coming into right now, this is what this
Speaker 2: actor has said, this is how they're feeling. Do you
Speaker 2: want to incorporate do you want to change it before
Speaker 2: run through? Do you like, is there something you want
Speaker 2: to do to fix it so that they get what
Speaker 2: they want and you can see it for run through?
Speaker 2: Or do you want to see it as is right
Speaker 2: now and then you can change it overnight? Or do
Speaker 2: you want to have a conversation with them? And there's
Speaker 2: always a solution always.
Speaker 6: And another thing I'm fond of doing is just saying
Speaker 6: your writers are very smart.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Commit try yeah, try it.
Speaker 6: You could surprise you and them and they're smart. If
Speaker 6: it doesn't work, they'll change it. But commit And often
Speaker 6: you know, and you guys know that as actors, you
Speaker 6: try something that you don't think might be wobbly or iffy,
Speaker 6: and you know what, the commitment made it work?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, We used to hear that, especially during the
Speaker 4: earlier days.
Speaker 1: We would hear Michael and some of the other writers
Speaker 1: and producers say stuff like that, like, if you don't commit,
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's going to work or not
Speaker 1: right exactly, So you've got to give it one hundred
Speaker 1: percent and we'll see.
Speaker 4: Okay, you gave it on and it's dead. That's on us.
Speaker 6: And the hardest thing in the world in show business
Speaker 6: is getting a TV show and a series on the
Speaker 6: air and getting it in production. And you earn the
Speaker 6: right to have the actors with respect commit to everything
Speaker 6: that you've been given. Ye and you know they're obviously
Speaker 6: compromising gray areas and it's not an absolute, but that's what.
Speaker 6: This is what And I feel that as director, it's
Speaker 6: like they're giving this to me. I'm going to try
Speaker 6: to understand it. If I don't understand it, I'll ask
Speaker 6: before I'm out there. And it's so, what does this mean?
Speaker 6: I want to make sure I understand this, And it's
Speaker 6: like commit commit.
Speaker 7: I mean it's just look at all the I'm looking
Speaker 7: at Will, all the surreal stuff that that Foudel was
Speaker 7: given that because of commitment, it made it work that
Speaker 7: it shouldn't have worked, but can't work?
Speaker 2: You went on to direct an uncountable amount of family TV.
Speaker 2: Well you may, what's the total? Do you know?
Speaker 6: It's over two hundred episodes as directory.
Speaker 2: Wow, Hannah Montana, even Stephens, Smart Guy, Victorious. The list
Speaker 2: goes on and on and on. Sydney to the Max, Yes, Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2: How is Boy Meets World the show with the biggest
Speaker 2: cult following? I mean we were always on the bubble.
Speaker 2: How is this going to show you that?
Speaker 7: I was going to ask you that?
Speaker 6: And if there's anything that you have learned from doing
Speaker 6: the show and watching the show and touring with it.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I asked chat Shebt that question yesterday. Did you why
Speaker 6: is the sitcom Boy Meets World so beloved and popular?
Speaker 7: I asked chat Gibt yesterday?
Speaker 2: And what was the answer.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll just read you the bullet points. Yeah, relatable
Speaker 6: coming of age journey, timeless life lessons, three, genuine character development,
Speaker 6: four iconic relationships Corey and Topanga and Corey and Sean,
Speaker 6: five perfect blend of comedy and heart, six nostalgia and
Speaker 6: cultural impact, and seven spin off love. That's what Chatchibt
Speaker 6: said yeah, that the Girl Girl three brought a new
Speaker 6: audience to the original show.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, Daniel, you were on a show called
Speaker 1: Girl Meets World, which was after Boy Meets World.
Speaker 2: Well, tell me more about this show.
Speaker 4: I really don't want to.
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, when's that rewatched? You know another thing I'd
Speaker 2: like to throw in the mix being an underdog. I
Speaker 2: think being a little bit of an underdog helps. We
Speaker 2: were kind of a show.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I think we were a show that that
Speaker 2: maintained even though people didn't think it was going to last,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, and I think when you have
Speaker 2: I think that by definition, having a cult following must
Speaker 2: mean you weren't as popular or successful as some of
Speaker 2: the other shows were in its time, but it holds
Speaker 2: value for a longer period.
Speaker 6: I think i'd said before is boy Mese World? Oh
Speaker 6: I'm working on boy Mese World? It went from what
Speaker 6: is that? To is that still on?
Speaker 2: And to oh my gosh, you worked on Boys I know.
Speaker 6: I remember when we did the picketing the writers Gil
Speaker 6: Yes ticketing day and and fans showed up.
Speaker 7: I mean, that was incredible.
Speaker 6: The other thing that CHATCHYBT missed because it's it's just
Speaker 6: a machine. Is the chemistry is the so much great chemistry.
Speaker 1: Now we never got it when we were on the air,
Speaker 1: because it was always we came on TGIF and all
Speaker 1: the press, everything was all JLIL and family matters. And
Speaker 1: then they left and we were maybe it's gonna be
Speaker 1: us and then Sabrina comes on and we're like, what
Speaker 1: the actual is happening?
Speaker 4: We're now they're getting all the press. We were always skipped.
Speaker 1: We were always skipped, and I think there is something
Speaker 1: to that to people at first, like, well, Boy Meets
Speaker 1: World was my favorite, and then it just kind of
Speaker 1: kept growing and growing, and then I think it was
Speaker 1: the second round. Was it ABC Family in the second
Speaker 1: round or did it go right to Disney.
Speaker 4: Channel the second round? Disney Channel wherever re aired it.
Speaker 1: I think that's really where because then it was on
Speaker 1: MTV and Disney Channel and all these different plays, and
Speaker 1: I think by that point the second run is really
Speaker 1: where the people started to and it.
Speaker 6: Was a really strong ensemble. I think the other TJF
Speaker 6: shows were more geared towards one or two characters, and
Speaker 6: this was about a group of friends growing up and
Speaker 6: mentors and life lessons.
Speaker 7: But that's the chemistry.
Speaker 1: I think there's also something to the fact that there
Speaker 1: was very little, if anything about our show that was kitchy,
Speaker 1: where it was like Sabrina was Sabrina. But it was
Speaker 1: always also about magic, right, you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: there was always some kind of little hook and they
Speaker 1: were magical.
Speaker 4: They were this.
Speaker 1: We were just it was a family show. There was
Speaker 1: a bunch of people growing up together. There's a great
Speaker 1: line writer and I were talking about what we all were.
Speaker 1: But I went to go see The Harry Potter and
Speaker 1: the Curse of the Golden Child or whatever it's called
Speaker 1: last night at the Pantagious and there's a line where
Speaker 1: the two of the characters are talking and one of
Speaker 1: them says the other, I always thought being a parent
Speaker 1: was the hardest job in the world.
Speaker 4: It's not. It's growing up. Growing up is the hardest
Speaker 4: job in the world.
Speaker 1: And I think there's something about watching especially Corey and
Speaker 1: Sean and Corey and sewn at Tapanga all growing up
Speaker 1: together with the same age of the people that are
Speaker 1: watching the show. Yes, that was the crux of the show,
Speaker 1: as we're all growing up together as opposed to and
Speaker 1: they're all great shows as opposed to you're watching me
Speaker 1: what it's like to be a witch. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: those are two very different things, and I think one
Speaker 1: of them sustains because growing up is growing up, no
Speaker 1: matter when you're doing it. So I think that's another
Speaker 1: reason why the show has continued to last for as
Speaker 1: long as it has.
Speaker 6: And also, the people who were our audience who grew
Speaker 6: with the show are now in their thirties and forties,
Speaker 6: and the people who are who run the world now,
Speaker 6: you know, it's just like that's the group that has
Speaker 6: taken their place front and center in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the other things that chat GPT missed
Speaker 2: is David Kendall. Yes, you, David Kendall is one of
Speaker 2: the reasons Boy Meets World is still being talked about.
Speaker 2: You were obviously such an instrumental part of our show,
Speaker 2: and you wore so many hats. We absolutely love you,
Speaker 2: We appreciate you, Thank you for being here. You're still
Speaker 2: the very first person we name when we go. You
Speaker 2: know what we should we need to know the answer
Speaker 2: to this, we got We gotta Kendall. Kend Kendall will know.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm embarrassed, but.
Speaker 4: This was directed by David TRANP.
Speaker 2: I will do that because I am d d You
Speaker 2: know what, I think you probably could email I m
Speaker 2: dB and get this corrected.
Speaker 3: He's got two hundred episodes of television. What's one?
Speaker 2: Thank you, David. Always always a pleasure to see you
Speaker 2: and spend time with you.
Speaker 7: I love you guys, you know that.
Speaker 4: And can we do a lunch?
Speaker 7: What are you doing now?
Speaker 2: One more podcast?
Speaker 4: We're working?
Speaker 3: Dave?
Speaker 6: Okay, well, good so soon. Loved you all, loved your
Speaker 6: spouses and children, those of you that have them.
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you so much, David. I love how how
Speaker 2: much detail he knew about that episod, even though David
Speaker 2: Trayner now it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: It's just hearing him talk about it.
Speaker 1: You think about how rare it truly is to have
Speaker 1: somebody who's executive producing, writing, and directing. I mean, you
Speaker 1: get here, you're now in like the Seinfeld kind of
Speaker 1: there's a handful of people that do it.
Speaker 4: I mean Tim Allen didn't do that for for Home Improvement.
Speaker 1: I mean all the biggest sitcoms, they weren't writing direct
Speaker 1: I mean it's very rarefied air and television to wear
Speaker 1: all three of those hats.
Speaker 2: At the same and now it's shocking that he was like,
Speaker 2: there's no harder job in the world. This is not
Speaker 2: the shocking party. There's no harder job in the entertainment
Speaker 2: universe than show running. And then he was like, and
Speaker 2: so I was show running and decided let me direct
Speaker 2: this one.
Speaker 5: But I remember talking to him when we were when
Speaker 5: we were at the strike and asking him like, what
Speaker 5: do you know, because it was always kind of surprising
Speaker 5: to me that he stuck with directing, because he started
Speaker 5: as a writer on Growing Pains and then you know,
Speaker 5: got to be a showrunner.
Speaker 3: And but he was like, no, no, directing is why
Speaker 3: you do this. He just working with actors.
Speaker 5: He loves being on set. And it's cool because I
Speaker 5: feel the same way. You know, like whiting is kind
Speaker 5: of it's like a means to an end.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: It's like you want to tell stories, so you have
Speaker 5: to write to get it out. But like it's lonely
Speaker 5: or you're in a room and it's competitive, it's like
Speaker 5: it's hard, you know, whereas directing, even when it's hard,
Speaker 5: it feels like you're just I don't know, it's so exciting.
Speaker 5: It's so exciting to be on a set and a
Speaker 5: problem solve in real time with actors and your crew.
Speaker 5: It's so fun, even when it's hard, it's fun, whereas
Speaker 5: I think show running it's really thankless.
Speaker 2: Totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if either of you had to make a guess,
Speaker 1: why do you think Michael never directed an episode? That's
Speaker 1: a really good question, because I mean he basically was
Speaker 1: kind of doing it anyway a lot of the time.
Speaker 1: So why do you think he never took the reins
Speaker 1: of one, I mean a special one that meant something
Speaker 1: to him. It's kind of now that I'm thinking about it,
Speaker 1: seems odd that he never directed an episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: That is a good question something only can be answered.
Speaker 3: Jacobs.
Speaker 5: Well, he did end up directing a movie, right, Yeah, relatively,
Speaker 5: And so he directed a lot of theater too, didn't
Speaker 5: he No?
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought he directed some of the plays that
Speaker 4: he thinks. Oh, I thought he did.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I there's I know there were there were there
Speaker 5: were complaints from the d g A a lot h.
Speaker 3: That he was overstepping uh.
Speaker 5: And I mean, you know, I remember like talking to
Speaker 5: people that DJA like how oh yeah, that we used
Speaker 5: to get calls about Michael all the time, because directors
Speaker 5: or director's assistants would be able to like call and
Speaker 5: say this person should not be doing this job, overstepping
Speaker 5: their bounds.
Speaker 1: But oh, he directed an episode of My Two Dads,
Speaker 1: so he that episode, so yeah why not?
Speaker 4: Maybe yeah maybe, I mean it's true.
Speaker 1: He could have could have hated it, so we'll have
Speaker 1: to ask him someday.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode
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Speaker 4: I got nothing merch.
Speaker 2: Wow, you got nothing nothing.
Speaker 5: We've emptied the merch bucket, emptied the merch bucket.
Speaker 4: I get merchie.
Speaker 3: Merch just go back to the original. What did you
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Speaker 1: Those are just sounds more than anything else. And he
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