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Speaker 1: Well, take Valachi. We are the authority on all things

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Speaker 1: R and Hey, what's going on? I am Tank J.

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Speaker 1: Valentine and this is the R and B Money podcast

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Speaker 1: authority on all things all things in the building. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's here. He's here, not just on live, not just

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Speaker 1: on live, just a live where he is a super Yeah,

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Speaker 1: numbers will go through the room. Yeah, it's a little bit,

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Speaker 1: you know. This is this is our brother, I mean,

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Speaker 1: super producer, super DJ, an extreme gentleman artists, artists. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Mr, I'm giving you, Mr. I'll take

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Speaker 1: take that. That's sad. Yeah, when I'm sitting down on

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Speaker 1: my throne. First of all, a toast to you, my brother,

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Speaker 1: Thank you man man, Major, toast Major. It's been a

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Speaker 1: crazy three years man. Yeah, this is good, smooth and

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Speaker 1: for my last trick in what have you done? What

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Speaker 1: have you done? Nice? Mr d Knix has a mystique,

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Speaker 1: he has an essence, has a style. He's a logo.

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Speaker 1: Here's a logoy. Too many ain't too many people I know,

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Speaker 1: J westgo Michael Jordan's I really do have a logo.

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Speaker 1: Man in the logo. Yeah, in the logo, Yeah, in

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Speaker 1: honor of my brother d Nice and his logo. First

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Speaker 1: of all, I'm gonna look like uncle Ice Flood once

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Speaker 1: uncle Ice I smell with money. Yeah great, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to go to my bag ye yeah and give some

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Speaker 1: of this. Yeah you get y'all looking like Jim and

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Speaker 1: is here happy. I didn't want him to hold up?

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Speaker 1: Did Juice? Emberries Man? This is Emberries man? This is

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Speaker 1: this thing. How are you feeling, my brother? I feel

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Speaker 1: so blessed, broh. You know thirty this is what like

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Speaker 1: thirty six years in the music business. Thirty six Yeah, nineteen.

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Speaker 1: First record, South Bronx came out in uh, nineteen eighty six.

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Speaker 1: Thirty six years in the music business. How old were

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Speaker 1: What what was that feeling like or what was that

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Speaker 1: You know, back then it was beautiful to just not

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Speaker 1: like I said, man, I have no regrets, bro, Like

427
00:22:56,560 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: I'm not here without all of that, you know, like

428
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: without those lessons because no one, no one believed that

429
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: this was gonna happen for me or or the web

430
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: development which saved my life, you know what I mean, Like,

431
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: guess when I met you when I know, this was

432
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: two thousand. At that point, I was already doing websites

433
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: for for for Blackground, so like were you was? This

434
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: was just your climb back up or like climb back up.

435
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 1: So what happened with that was around my best friend

436
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 1: who was managing me. Well he was a partner. I've

437
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,880
Speaker 1: always been like self managed, but back then we were

438
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: partners in the management company. And yeah he was when

439
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: we stopped doing music together, you know. Years later he

440
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: formed a company called trend Setters with like four guys

441
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: out of Toronto, which is very important. You have no

442
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 1: idea how important you in your in the whole Blackground

443
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: was to me, Like that moment was, um, you know

444
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: he Tony is his name, still one of my best friends. Um,

445
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: he called me up and he was like, hey involved him,

446
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Well have development you know, I know, you probably need

447
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: to make some money, which was probably his way of

448
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: like kind of repaying me for you know, we had

449
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: some great times. You know, so now it is his

450
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: it was his time to like look out, like yo,

451
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: I got an opportunity, you know, maybe with your connections.

452
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: You can go and make some introductions and then we'll

453
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: give you a piece of it. And I was like

454
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 1: all right, cool, you know, and you know, I started

455
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,959
Speaker 1: making some calls. It was weird at first, you know,

456
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: like people thought that I was calling to sell a

457
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: demo or something, and I was really on something like yo,

458
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: like no, I'm a part of this organization. This is

459
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: what we're doing. The one person that gave me the

460
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,679
Speaker 1: shot shot was Joe Moo Joe More Hankerson, which was

461
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 1: Barry's son to all of you that don't know Barry

462
00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 1: Hankerson's son. He we were competing at that point. I

463
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about programming, but we were competing um

464
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 1: this trend setter company which we renamed it Boom Digital

465
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,719
Speaker 1: versus an old company I mean they no longer exists

466
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: called Razor Fish, which was like the top top. You know,

467
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: they were killing everything, and you're talking. Those deals were

468
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: like multimillion dollars web deals like now you've got like squarespace,

469
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: you can just put up a website. Then you literally

470
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: had to program. So, you know, Joe Mo told me

471
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: he was like yo, you know, after meeting with him

472
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: over and over again, he was like, you know why

473
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm going with you. He's like, I know you don't

474
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: know how to build a website. He was like, but

475
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: I know you will make sure that your guys give

476
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: me what I need. And I'm not gonna go with

477
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 1: Razor Fish. I'm gonna go with you guys. That change everything.

478
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: That conversation changed everything for me because it is an

479
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: R and B company, you know what I mean, Like

480
00:25:55,280 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: this straight arm, legendary R and B. But those words

481
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: someone betting on me, you know. And and you know,

482
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: when you are when you've had like failure in the

483
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: music industry, you felt like people turned their backs on you.

484
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: To have a conversation like that when they were on fire,

485
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 1: you know. Obviously I think at the time he was

486
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: they were still managing R Kelly Um and they had

487
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: a Leah and they had you your stuff wasn't out yet,

488
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: Missy or no Timberland januine like they were so like

489
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: to have the company. Oh what was the rap group? Though?

490
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: Who was in that joint was? Was? Oh my gosh,

491
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: it was like I remember the picture in the water,

492
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: the rap group the White Boys. No, it was some

493
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 1: black dudes. I don't know if two Chains was down

494
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,280
Speaker 1: with it. It was a rap group. Two chains might

495
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: have been in the group. You know, it was a

496
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: wrap group from back then. Oh my god, I'm black.

497
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: Then of this conversation, I'm gonna look it was it

498
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: was Statics. Uh it was Statics group, status group, you know,

499
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely they was there was out of Louisville. Absolutely,

500
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: ye was they called I can't remember what it was

501
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: called to James wasn't in that, but it was. It was.

502
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: It was Statics like conglomerate. They were like a coalition,

503
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: like coalition like it was hard. It was like it

504
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 1: was hard, and they had these pictures they were under

505
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: the water, like coming out of the water like it

506
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: was crazy. But anyway, so like, you know, that gave

507
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: me my own confidence and I was like, man, he

508
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: really believed like that. You know. So I went from

509
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: like making like seven hundred and fifty dollars a month

510
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: when when I was just like helping the guys out,

511
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: and then I started making like twelve fifty a month.

512
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: You know, like now I got a little bit of

513
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: money to you know, I was still stay. I was

514
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: moved back in with my family, but to take care

515
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: of my kid, you know what I mean. Like I

516
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 1: saw what was happening. I was like, because you had

517
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: your daughter by this, my daughter was there, you know,

518
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,479
Speaker 1: my my daughters were in the ninety six and uh,

519
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, luckily for me man like I didn't have

520
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: you know, my ex wasn't she wasn't on me about

521
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: child support. You know, like she understood what I was doing.

522
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: She was like, yo, you know, whatever you made and

523
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: whatever you can give, you know, That's why I like,

524
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: when I started making money, I gave. I gave it all, Like, no,

525
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna make sure our kids graduates and we're gonna

526
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: do all of that. Because without that kind of like support,

527
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: even though we didn't make it, but still without that

528
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: kind of support, your mind isn't clear. Yea, she could

529
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: have helped keep she helped ultimately get you out of

530
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 1: the space, but she could have assisted keeping you in

531
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:33,959
Speaker 1: that space. About absolutely shout out to her the family,

532
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And the other thing that was important

533
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: during that time was because Joe Moo said what he

534
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: did about I know, you'll make sure that we get

535
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: what we need. I used to sit in the office

536
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and watch the Guy's program and I was like, oh,

537
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: so that's how you write cold. Oh, and then they

538
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: didn't know like I was going Yeah, I was going

539
00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: out and buying books on htmail, you know, PHP flash

540
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: was new at the time. You know, I was downloading

541
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: source files. You know. They used to have these websites

542
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: where somebody would write a code and just post it

543
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: for free and then you can just pull it and

544
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: like you know, kind of like make changes and do

545
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. So I learned all of

546
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: that stuff, you know, So within like one year, I

547
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: knew how to write HTML and I just knew like

548
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: just from learning. So then that gave me leverage, like

549
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: with my within my own crew, because most of the

550
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: deals that they were getting were deals that were and

551
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, and by the way, my my buddy Tony

552
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: was always on my side, like, no, we gotta make

553
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: sure we take care of you. The other guys are

554
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: not so much because they that's what they did for

555
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: a living. And then but here's my guy. He was like, no,

556
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: we gotta make sure that he's a full partner. And

557
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: those dudes didn't want to make me a full partner.

558
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: And then I left and started my own and I

559
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: both know about guys that you know, make your full

560
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: partner sharing in the in the well, yeah you know

561
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: we we've we've all been there. Yeah. I left and

562
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: then I started. I started my own company called United Camps,

563
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: and I never I didn't go to your clients and say, hey,

564
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: don't work with them. I was like, I'm just gonna

565
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: do my own thing, you know. And I went to Motown.

566
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: My first the first project that I did from Motown,

567
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: this was under United Camps with what we did for

568
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: you guys was Boom Digital, but under my joint. The

569
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: first artist was I didn't even have a computer. This

570
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: is how like my life is. Just I didn't have

571
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,480
Speaker 1: a computer. I was using their computers to learn. But

572
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: when I started my own thing, I didn't have any money.

573
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: All I had was this good credit, you know what

574
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like Dell computers. First I went to Motown

575
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 1: and I was this woman that used to work over

576
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: the named Kelly. She was like Eddies assistant. I was like, listen,

577
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: on the pop side, they're doing like these these flash

578
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: e vites to promote artists where artists can you can

579
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: use that these flash cards and like you can have

580
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: your album one there like snippers of it, and you know,

581
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: people can preview it in the emails, but they weren't

582
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 1: doing that for hip hop and R and B, and

583
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, you know, this is it right now,

584
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: this is how you're gonna market things, you know, like

585
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: you should you know, let me do it, and should

586
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: give me a deal with like five grand for me

587
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: to make in the first artist was Rashida the rapper. Yeah,

588
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: that was like the first project that I worked on

589
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: the on the United Camps and man, I did that

590
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: and then Motown gave me their account. So then I

591
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: started doing like Queen Pen and like a couple of

592
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: movie projects with them, and then I picked up J

593
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: Records and I did Alicia Keys site Diary of Alicia

594
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: Keys and Boys the Men and Luther and any Lennox

595
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: And now now I'm making money because those sites used

596
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: to cost money then it was like minimum six figures,

597
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: you know. And it was all because of a conversation

598
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: I have with Joe Moo, you know, like, yo, I

599
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: know you'll make sure it'll be right, you know. Wow. Yeah. Yeah,

600
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: there's so many phases to my career, man, it's crazy.

601
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: So what moved you into for le d James? Well,

602
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what movie into photography because ye yeah,

603
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: yeah I skip a step. I did sip a step.

604
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Photography happened while I was It was a client. There

605
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: was a men's underwear client. They were called down under gear. Damn,

606
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: I remember that. That's crazy because this is about no.

607
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: It was some black dudes out of Queen's. They just

608
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: wanted they just wanted to call that thing and it

609
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: was undergear, to call it doug and it was just

610
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: like men's men's underwear. And then when they sent over

611
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: the assets for me to use to build the website,

612
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I thought the pictures were just corny. So I was like, hey,

613
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: just pad the budget with like a thousand dollars and

614
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I went and bought a camera, and then I hired

615
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: a model like this black model, this dude that, this

616
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: African guy. You know, he was handsome dude. I was like, oh,

617
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: he looks like one of these like underwear models. You

618
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I don't have Calvin Clein money,

619
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: so he's gonna take this dog dollar. Just yeah, we

620
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,479
Speaker 1: went to Central Park. I'm photographed to dude, the Central

621
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: Park with like it is underwear and bathroom. It was

622
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: just straight up. I mean, looking back on it was

623
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: so gorilla style. But all we needed was like a

624
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: couple of pictures come out of that that was full

625
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: of photo shoot. The lighting was all off, like I

626
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: didn't have lighting, no assistance. I'm just out there like

627
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: taking these pictures. But to me, the secret was to

628
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: just turn everything in the black and white like then

629
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: then those the lighting like you know, because yeah, it's

630
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: more interesting the shadows. Like. So because of that, because

631
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: of that experience, now I own the camera. I was like,

632
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: all right, I kind of like this photography thing. So

633
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: I went to school for photography while I was building websites.

634
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: I went to this place in New York called i

635
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: c P International Center of Photography, and I went there

636
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: for like a year and you know, learn how to

637
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: process film, learn composition and all of that. Like it

638
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: was just great, Like that's what I would do at nights,

639
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: like like I was a college student, you know what

640
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it was just are you moving under

641
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: the needle as you're doing this? Are you running into hey?

642
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: Are you? No? No one No one knew I was,

643
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: you know. They It was a while in the front.

644
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: The transition from from from that part of my life

645
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: into DJ and is when it when it hit me

646
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: into that Yeah yeah you didn't know that, I know

647
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: you web yeah, but um the photography which is which

648
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: again my my buddy, God blessed dad, my man Chris

649
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: Lydy he um, he was getting married in my in

650
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: Miami at this museum and he invited me because at

651
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: that point I was already like building websites. I was

652
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: building the Violator website and Chris was like, you know,

653
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: we had known each other. He was one of my

654
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: one of my closest friends. You know, when I was married,

655
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: he was my best man. Like the dude was like yo, yo,

656
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: he took me an invitation to his wedding, so I

657
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: didn't have you know, all your R and B and

658
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: music industry dudes. Was making so much money. He was

659
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: registered at like this crazy place ABC Furniture in Manhattan,

660
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: Like everything on the registry was like five thousand. I'm like,

661
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: I've got five thousands of VODs man a wedding gift,

662
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: Like this is crazy. So I was just at the wedding,

663
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: just taking pictures like no one even knew. I mean

664
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: a couple of people saw me taking pictures because I

665
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: would ask him to pose. But like Chris didn't really,

666
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: he wasn't paying attention. Then my gift to him was

667
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: just this photo album and I was like, yo, here's

668
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: here's yo, here's a gift. Man like then he called

669
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: me and was like, I guess he was watching it,

670
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, with with this with his wife, and he

671
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I paid all these people mad money

672
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 1: and they caught none of these images. You should actually

673
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: be shooting professionally. And I was like, no, I'm good.

674
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: I don't want. I didn't want to be a photographer.

675
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: He's like, man, take the bag. And my first photo

676
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 1: shoot for him was one of fifties rebot campaigns, you know,

677
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: so even on the photographer way, I was doing like

678
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: that then and then um then Tyra hit me up

679
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: and you know she she yeah, I saw what she did. Know.

680
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,919
Speaker 1: I started shooting out the covers. Do you feel that? Yeah?

681
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: But because you got a handle, I don't, so yeah

682
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: I might. I might get to Michael Jackson dropped her

683
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: in a minute from the Champagne that's followed on my head.

684
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, you just Tyra. Yeah, what was was

685
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: was the motto Tyson Beckford that you shot in the

686
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: Central Park Man. No, he wasn't Tyson didn't look like

687
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: you didn't have Tyson's money, man, but he took the

688
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: Doug dollar. Yeah, he definitely took the Doug dollar. But yeah, Tyra.

689
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: Tyra was awesome though, you know, she asked me to

690
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: follow her around, you know from you know, she was like,

691
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: I want you to come over to my house and

692
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: just photographed me, you know, from like a full day

693
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: in the life of Tyra. And I did that and

694
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: she loved the images and she was like, Hey, I

695
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 1: want you to can you shoot for my talk show?

696
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 1: Then I went on. I photographed fifty for a talk show,

697
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: on photographed Hallie for a talk show, and then tires like, hey,

698
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: can you do America's Next Top Model? So I ended

699
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: up being um cycle for me as a sore spot

700
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: for why were you on there? No? But you're good? Good?

701
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: Did you not win? But I didn't win. Tyra actually

702
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: asked me to do the theme song. Oh wow, you

703
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: have an opportunity. I never tells you that. Wait what happened? Why? So? Uh? Yeah,

704
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: shout out to my brother she Cares Stewart and my

705
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: brother Kenya Barriss, who at the time he was working

706
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 1: with Tyra and we used to all, you know, we

707
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: should be kicking it, and she cared put me on

708
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: you know, connecting me with them, and we brought you know,

709
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: Tyra was like she wanted to sing. She wanted to

710
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: sing at that time, and she came to the studio

711
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: a few times. We worked. We worked a little bit

712
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: and she was like, yeah, you know, I'm I'm doing

713
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: this this this TV show and I'm like, okay. She's like, yeah,

714
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: it's spout like models and this whole thing. And I'm

715
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: thinking to myself TV show models, like well, who's going

716
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: to sing the theme song? And she was like, she's

717
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: going to sing the theme song. I was like, um,

718
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: you saying even though he had been already doing songs

719
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: like you know, because I'm thinking it's you know, for

720
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 1: fun and it's a whole thing, and I'm like, I

721
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: don't know about just doing it because obviously on up

722
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: you watch these shows and you watch different TV and

723
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: you think to yourself, these songs aren't really songs, they're

724
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: just kind of like and I think at the time,

725
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I probably have been watching the Jamie Fox Show. Remember

726
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 1: he had he was he was making jingles, but it

727
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: didn't seem cool, right, the jingle thing didn't seem cool,

728
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: and I was writing real records for real artists. I'm

729
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, I don't write jingles, so I didn't

730
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: write the damn jingle. And I end up running into

731
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: Tyra a few years ago. Um, of all places that

732
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Jimmy Iveen's like Christmas party or something, I don't know

733
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: what it was, and she was like, yeah, you remember

734
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: the whole you know, we're like season twenties seven thousand,

735
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you definitely one. Yeah, yeah, so American type model.

736
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: You know, that's just you know, it happens. It happens.

737
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if it happens. It doesn't

738
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: always know. Okay, okay, he's a fumbler. Fumbled two man ship.

739
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: What what did you fumble? Know? His fumbles are way

740
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 1: crazier than mine. Give me one of yours. Um. I

741
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: fumbled an audition. I fumbled two auditions. Probably the worst

742
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: fumble was the stumped yard audition. W wait what, hold on,

743
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,479
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on. If I tell the story,

744
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: let me let me get a drink, because you stumped

745
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: the yard. First of all, this is already very tricky.

746
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: At the time it was, I was thinking, of course,

747
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: I had the must say you above, okay, buff dance

748
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: and go ahead, go ahead? Um, so I literally shout

749
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: a twinkie. Um. I literally I had the part. I

750
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: was playing the part of Darren Hinton. Okay, okay, I

751
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: can see that. Yeah. That knocked all the all the

752
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: um all the audition down. Knock it down. He's like,

753
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: oh you're in. You're the guy, You're the guy, You're in. Okay,

754
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: so um last thing, We're gonna do this dance audition

755
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: and then and you'll be good. I was like, okay, cool,

756
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: I can I can knock that out. I got a rhythm,

757
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Um, I had rhythm, but

758
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,959
Speaker 1: I don't want a freestyle. Okay. So in my mind,

759
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is a dance movie. I can step,

760
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: but I gotta be able to really, you know, deliver it.

761
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: So you know I saw I called Christie and Dave Scott. Listen,

762
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: I need an eight count. I need a real eight

763
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: count so I can dazzle him. He wants to dazzle

764
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 1: niggas for stump the yard, but go ahead, I mean yeah,

765
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: he wanted to, and so I go in. We get rehearsals.

766
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 1: Rehearsal a couple of days, no rehearsal to day before

767
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: day up. I learned the routine and I learned the account.

768
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm killing it in rehearsal, killing it right, But I'm

769
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: very like I'm O c D in a lot of ways, right,

770
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: And so go ahead, and I have severe O c D. Right.

771
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:38,359
Speaker 1: And so you know with the choreography, once you teach

772
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: it to me in a certain space, it has to

773
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 1: be in that space. It has to be in that space.

774
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: It has to start exactly where that one is, exactly

775
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: at that measure where the music does whatever it died

776
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: I have, it has to be there or or a malfunction.

777
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: And so they said, all right, let's go. And when

778
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: they started the music, it was okay, No, give you

779
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: some backstory. This will really help you with the fumble. Okay,

780
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: E League game on Sunday. Okay, I'm going crazy. The

781
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: guy checking me. You don't want this body, get off,

782
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,400
Speaker 1: but you can't hold me. Huh, you know you're dealing

783
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 1: with Yeah, maya business win game? Go home? Right? Next day,

784
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: dance audition, Guess who's the director? M who got the buck?

785
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: Who got the black? Oh? And he's giving me this

786
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you're in my house now. Yeah, I say, hey, man,

787
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 1: hey brother, Hey, how do you mean of that? Was

788
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: that Tim Tim story? Director? We're gonna find out. We're

789
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: gonna google Yeah, he's a director. And I'm like, oh

790
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: my god, right, I didn't know. So they're starting the

791
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: music and they start the music low. I'm turned to

792
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: turn up, turn up. By the time they turn up

793
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: the music, I've missed the one, missed the one, the

794
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 1: one that I need to start on in order to

795
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: be dazzling. I was like, I said, oh, no, no no, no,

796
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: we got we can start off. No, it's fine, just

797
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:20,959
Speaker 1: to start where you are and said, no, I really

798
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 1: need to start up. Just start where where we are.

799
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm like ha ha ah ha ah, and everybody, everybody's

800
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: going and they turned the music off. They turned the

801
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: music off, and I just I just looked at everybody.

802
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: I said, thank you. I just walked the fuck you

803
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: wanted them to believe that that was your freestyle And

804
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: they never called me again. I love it. There's some

805
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: there's somewhere just take was gonna come out and it's

806
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: gonna be bad. I hope they've been directed. They see

807
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: this and be like the country might know she was there.

808
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: And she was like she called Christie and and damon,

809
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: she said, what the fuck happened? I was so great

810
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: in rehearsal. I said, I missed the one. I can't

811
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: do it. I can't do it from any other place.

812
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: I need the one, And I fumbled stumped the yard.

813
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: I would have been dancer, I mean, but Darren Hinson

814
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: is a dancer. So dar is a dancer. Of course

815
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: he got you know what I'm saying that he killed it,

816
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: but yeah, so I guess I'm kind of a fumbler,

817
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: not as much as him. Though. It's a great phone story. Yeah,

818
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: that's a great final story. Your residuals wouldn't have been

819
00:45:45,200 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 1: the same as his. His phone was crazy. Gonna keep

820
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: this money. I didn't know, nibe, you didn't know what

821
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: post you was was teen. You gotta keep bringing up

822
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: bringing that story up that was back then, Stop bringing

823
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: up motion. So you become the amazing photographer, extraordinary for

824
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: many great things that we won't even continue to mention. Um, so,

825
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: how how long is that spending time for you? I mean,

826
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: because I was you still you still shoot, you still

827
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: do your thing. But were you were purely focusing on photography.

828
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: It was a short, short period, always collected, like you

829
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: always had a camera. It's always a camera today. I

830
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: totally forgot to bring the camera because I was doing

831
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: an interview. I was like, yeah, I gotta get a shot.

832
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: These stud dues really left my camera like in the house,

833
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, we're not that important. Go ahead, no, no, no,

834
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: I know, I'll see you guys again and go back

835
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: and get that day. We're gonna still be here. So

836
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: that wasn't like a long period where you were know,

837
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: that was like three years, a good three year run

838
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: of like because then DJ started. So how did that

839
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: kick off? So DJ and started? Um, you know, I

840
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: started promoting parties. Um. When I returned to the scene

841
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: as a web developer of photography, I started to get

842
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: the music itch again, not as a performer, but just like,

843
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to do something with music

844
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: because it's just everybody I couldn't get into parties even

845
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: though I was making money. They weren't letting you in. Now,

846
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let me in. That's why I started DJ.

847
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why I started throwing parties because the party,

848
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: the party scene in New York was very like and

849
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: by the way, this is not I'm not even being funny.

850
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: He was like mainly like like black promoters, like one

851
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: of the biggest promoters back then. I won't mention his name,

852
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: but like yeah, he was like, oh, I know who

853
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: you aren't, but you can't come in. And I was

854
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: like those are his words, those were I brought it

855
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 1: up to him like maybe about four or five years ago,

856
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: like remember that and um, and then I thanked him

857
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: because I wouldn't have had that desire, you know, to

858
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: to do this. But they used to like make people

859
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 1: come in with like if you're a dude, dude, you

860
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: have to bring two women with you. And you know,

861
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: I never really traveled with anybody. I'm always by myself.

862
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: You know, I'm the same way, you know. You know.

863
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: He was like, yo, you gotta get to the back

864
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: line and YouTube two girls, and I'm like wow. Then

865
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: I left, and then I went over to like a

866
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 1: q Tip party. Q Tip invited me to it, like

867
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: his birthday party, and that's when I started to see

868
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: what DJ and like really was like in terms of

869
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: that style of djan. So I started throwing parties because

870
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: no one. No one wanted me to DJ, didn't, I

871
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: mean rightfully, so they had never heard me DJ. I

872
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: just had this desire like yo, I want to spend

873
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 1: and you know, I ended up becoming a party promoter.

874
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: The thing that I hated about the New York party

875
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: scene was every party that people did that you know,

876
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: like that was like the cool parties. They were always

877
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: named after like a candy bar, some ship. It's like

878
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: juicy fruit Tuesdays and good and plenty of Sundays. I'm

879
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: not making this up Tuesdays, you know what I'm saying.

880
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: Like it was always like that, and I was like,

881
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 1: man I joined in on one of them, the juicy

882
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:39,919
Speaker 1: Fruit Tuesdays. But I just wanted to. I just wanted,

883
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, And then uh, that is rich juicy frud Tuesdays,

884
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: did you know? And then um I went from that.

885
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I was like, after about six or seven months, I

886
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: was like, man, I just wanted I want a djell.

887
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: I couldn't get any parties out Here's where this is.

888
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: Everything for me was overlapping. So you know, web development

889
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: and photography overlapped, and then those two things overlapped with

890
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: me becoming a party promoter slash DJ, so I started

891
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: phasing the web stuff out because I was having a

892
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: good time, like on this party scene. I was like,

893
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: all right, and and what what prompted the move was

894
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: this meeting. I had this meeting and I was building

895
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: the website for UM for Vitamin Water for fifty. I

896
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: was shooting part of that campaign and UM and I

897
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: had to meet with Reebok so I'm in this. I

898
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: was in this meeting with UM, Chris Lady, Steve Stout,

899
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: Paul Fireman, who was the CEO founder reebok Um Q Gasson,

900
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: who was like Allen Allen Iverson's liaison between Reeboking and

901
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: and Alan Um. And then this one guy walks in

902
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: and he walked around the table. He said what's up

903
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: to everyone? And then he stood in front of me.

904
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: This white dude sit in front of me, and he

905
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: he just stood there. He didn't say anything, and I

906
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: stood up and I was like, hey, I'm Derek Jones.

907
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: And then everybody started laughing because they were all in

908
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: on the joke. And he said, hey, you know, I

909
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 1: went to I think he may have gone to like Boston,

910
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,240
Speaker 1: you whatever, But he was like, I wrote my thesis

911
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: on the song from your first album called A Few

912
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: Hours More. It was like on my first solo album

913
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: and um, and then that that was the moment for

914
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: me when I was like, holy shit, like the people

915
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: I was running from the music industry, you know, I

916
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: didn't want to be d Nice. You know, when I

917
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,320
Speaker 1: was building a website, I didn't introduce myself to his

918
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: D Nice. I was like, yo, I'm Derek Like but

919
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: in that moment that what he said to me resonated.

920
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: It was like, man, you spend all this time running

921
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: from who you are, and why not just embrace it?

922
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: You know, like be maybe not be that same person

923
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: like you know, shopping demos or anything like that, but

924
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: like be who you are. And because of that conversation,

925
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I'm gonna do. I'm

926
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: gonna start. I'm gonna go find a club because I

927
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: remember I was promote promoting a juice fruit Tuesdays and

928
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: ship like that. I was trying to I was like, yo,

929
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: I'm trying to forget to choose. I was like, I'm

930
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: gonna go find a club that would give me a

931
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: shot to throw my own party. But then I went

932
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: to DJ's and you know, your cats wanted like back then,

933
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: they wanted five hundred dollars and I was like five

934
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: hundred dollars for DJ like that crazy, I know, right,

935
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm bugging. You can't even come to me with that.

936
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: Like I was over here like five hundred dollars J part.

937
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'll do this myself. And then

938
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: the club. I will never forget this. The club was,

939
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: you know that in New York City as a hotel

940
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: called the Chelsea Street legendary hotel where where Donnie Hathaway

941
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 1: Um not too far No, actually no, Donny, Donnie didn't

942
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: die here. Donnie died on like fifty seventh Street, I

943
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: believe where you know, committed suicide. But like something crazy

944
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: happened at the Chelsea I can't remember right now, but

945
00:52:55,760 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: iconic hotel. They had this lounge downstairs, downstairs called Serena,

946
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: and they hired me. They paid me a hundred and

947
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: fifty dollars to drink tickets and that's a DJ for

948
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: six hours six But I didn't care because I had

949
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: my daytime web money. That's why. Okay, okay, it all

950
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, So I used to DJ for like

951
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: six hours for a hundred and fifty dollars. Nobody was

952
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: in there. Another another buddy of mine, actually, right before that,

953
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: a buddy of mine gave me his club in New

954
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: York was on twenty thirt three as well, called cull True,

955
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: and I would I would throw parties there and I

956
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: would occasionally DJ with my cousin. But the first time

957
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: that I actually was a DJ was that Serena's and

958
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: the guy that managed Mark Ronson at the time, um

959
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: Damon the Graft, still a great friend, you know, owns

960
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: a company called d G I and they managed a

961
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: lot of big DJs. He brought me over to this

962
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: club with Q Tip and Mark Ronson with DJ and

963
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: called Table fifty. And I used to watch them and

964
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: I was like I would standing in place was small

965
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: help like seventy five people. Their drink was on Thursday.

966
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 1: Their joint was packed. My joint on Wednesday was empty.

967
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 1: It was like ten people. But it didn't matter. I

968
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I'm playing music having And then one

969
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: day Tipp and Ronson didn't want a DJ. So Damon

970
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: was like yo, you know, Tips said you should do

971
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: Table fifty on their night and I was like, oh,

972
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: that's dope. And I went and I tried the DJ.

973
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: Like Tip has a very unique style of DJ, and

974
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: so it does Mark. You know, Mark plays a lot

975
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: of like pop stuff now, but then Mark was a

976
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 1: straight up hip hop dude. It was like brand Nubians

977
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: and you know, then he was mixing the eighties and

978
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: and Q Tip was strictly sold James Brown and all

979
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: that vibe. So when I went, I tried the DJ

980
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 1: like them and then and Um and Damon was like

981
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: a man, just be yourself. Do what you do as Serena,

982
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 1: but do it here. I would only play R and

983
00:54:56,680 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: B like eighties R and be Tina, Marie, Rick James

984
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: when nobody was really rocking all of that, you know.

985
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: So I started playing like that in the crowd was

986
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 1: like crazy. I was like, Oh, this is this is

987
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: what it's supposed to feel like, you know. Yeah, And

988
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: then I went from that, and then I started I

989
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 1: had UM had a night and and UM like a

990
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: legendary night in New York City at a club called

991
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: Kane on Street, and that became like my residency. I

992
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 1: did that for like three years, and then I started

993
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: to build my name, you know as a private event DJ.

994
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: With the first private event I did was UM it

995
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: was Puff. I went to Puff. I was like, bro,

996
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: I got a vibe on the streets right now, Like

997
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: he's like, think, I've never heard of DJ day by Life.

998
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 1: He was like, you're not DJ, and my white part

999
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: of you crazy, Like come on, bro, He's like naughty,

1000
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm good. He was just like that. Never saw him again,

1001
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: but I was always friends with his assistants because I

1002
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: was always trying to get in there. I was like,

1003
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure this out, Like I'm gonna do this

1004
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: white man. I ended up with like a night planning

1005
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: a night at this legendary club in New York called Lotus.

1006
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 1: Lotus had a Sunday night party with the drummer and

1007
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: all that vib That's why I use the drummer now

1008
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 1: because it reminds me of that night and like the

1009
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: party was crazy on Sundays. So I was the guest

1010
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: DJ and I got a text from the girls that

1011
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: worked for Puff and they said, Puff just asked us

1012
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 1: where held where should he go tonight? We sent him

1013
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: there you gotta put on the show. And they sat

1014
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: Puff right at the table right in front of like

1015
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: this is the DJ booth. There was one table right here.

1016
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,919
Speaker 1: Puff is on it. He's at the table. Now, I'm

1017
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 1: most people, most DJs that were hot midnight, you're playing

1018
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: whatever the new records are. Me, I'm totally reversed, Like

1019
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm putting Stevie one that midnight when his pack and

1020
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: I know everybody's dancing, Do I Do is coming on?

1021
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: And then that drummer Puff was then on the table.

1022
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 1: He was like, oh my gosh, that's the year he

1023
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: was hosting the VMAs. In my mean, he was like, yo,

1024
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: you're doing all my parties and he kept his word

1025
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,920
Speaker 1: I d I didn't headline them, but he had other

1026
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,320
Speaker 1: DJs had flex yet, you know, a couple of DJs.

1027
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: But I was on those parties. And then that was

1028
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: like my first time like like really seeing what it

1029
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: was like to be at the private events. And then

1030
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: I just went private event heavy, you know, super Bowl

1031
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: stuff and and yeah, and slowly phased out the web

1032
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: stuff because it's not that I wasn't interested in it.

1033
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: What I realized about the web stuff was, um, it

1034
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: was just a means to an end for me. It

1035
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: was something that made me happy because music wasn't being

1036
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: kind to me, and I didn't want to lean on

1037
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: music and I wanted people to accept me for who

1038
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: I am, so I taught myself that, But that wasn't

1039
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: my passion. My passion has always been music and to

1040
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 1: to have an opportunity to DJ these events that I played,

1041
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: and I played R and B. Man, you know, I

1042
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,800
Speaker 1: played hip hop, but like manly my sense of like

1043
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 1: R and B or pope, you know I'm playing, I'm

1044
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: getting in there. You know you can play the police

1045
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: that I'm getting that in there. But like that, that

1046
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: all happened because you know, the hip hop dudes wren't

1047
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: really let me in. They won't let me in the clubs,

1048
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,439
Speaker 1: they wouldn't let me open. Yeah, I have to find

1049
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: my only and now I play my own lane. Yeah yeah,

1050
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: that your story, bro. It's nuts, but it's it's a

1051
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: it's a testament to not giving up one but also

1052
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: breaking through that glass ceiling of people saying, oh, this

1053
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: is what you do. No no, no, no, no no no,

1054
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: I do what I want right that, And that's for us, clearly,

1055
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: it's what's been our savior, is doing what we want

1056
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: to do and in taking on whatever comes along with that.

1057
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: But know the earlier, you know, when we before we

1058
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: start feeling you were like, man, y'all think it's crazy

1059
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: after I played you this song, and I was like, yeah,

1060
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: my manager, you're like, but to a certain degree, yes

1061
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: we are crazy. But on the flip side of that

1062
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: is we're just enjoying the process and we're enjoying the

1063
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: journey and this music thing that we get to do

1064
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: for a living. There's you can't just say that, oh,

1065
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 1: I can only play one position in this game. I

1066
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: can do what I want to because music, for me,

1067
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how you guys feel about it, but

1068
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: music is the last thing that you can purely be

1069
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: completely free in. You get fresh out of jail, do music,

1070
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: you come off Wall Street, do music. Like there's no

1071
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: You don't need any formal education, which sometimes hurts us,

1072
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: but you don't need anything other than your gift, a

1073
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: little luck to for sure, some hard work. Your gift.

1074
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: Your gift will get you through the music business. If

1075
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: you let your gift get you through the music there,

1076
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: you let your gift get you through the music business

1077
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 1: in so many other ways, in so many other ways.

1078
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Because everything that you spoke about it's still creative, that's

1079
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: all I mean. You were just being you were being creative.

1080
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: The entire time. But other guys would have just been like, ah, man,

1081
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: I just gotta go. I don't know about this, and

1082
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting away from that. And and like you said,

1083
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: you had your dark moments in it, but the light

1084
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: of it was that you let your gift guide you. Look.

1085
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: I had my dark moment in this just before the pandemic,

1086
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: you know, like just being very honest, like supposed to

1087
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 1: be my last year of DJ. I didn't want a

1088
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 1: DJ anymore. I was tired. I was like, you know,

1089
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: I kept feeling like you look at certain DJs and

1090
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:02,120
Speaker 1: they were not judging them, but it's like, yo, why

1091
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: is that person playing there and I'm not on that

1092
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: same stage. I'm a big DJ with my mind, I

1093
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: felt that I was. I played great music, Like why

1094
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: am I not giving these opportunities? And I realized that

1095
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: a lot of it had to do with like ages

1096
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 1: and you know, like that's some real ship man, whether

1097
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: it was being black and trying to play in like

1098
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: this kind of mainstream world because I never just saw

1099
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: myself playing just urban events. I was like, no, because

1100
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: if you go to a non urban event, they're playing

1101
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 1: the same exact song. So why am I not playing there,

1102
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 1: and like, you know, I remember going to some of

1103
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: these big clubs and like these dudes with like literally

1104
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: give me half the budget or maybe a third of

1105
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 1: the budget that they were giving DJs that didn't look

1106
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: like me, and I was I was okay with it though.

1107
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I just want to be

1108
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: in the room, because my goal was never to just

1109
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: be a resident as someone's club. It was like, no,

1110
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: I want to be seen as the person that's playing

1111
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 1: in places that you don't typically see black DJ's, you

1112
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like playing a night that you

1113
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: don't typically see an old school black DJ. You know.

1114
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:11,280
Speaker 1: Like but then after a while, you know, I just

1115
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: became exhausted, bro of like the constant battle, you know,

1116
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: constantly fighting, you know, even with with our own with

1117
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: our own promoters, you know, like the people that would

1118
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: promote more R and B. It was still a constant

1119
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: like oh we don't have that budget and you still

1120
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: do the same job. And then like after fighting and fighting,

1121
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm over these clubs. I remember

1122
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,200
Speaker 1: calling Live Nation and I never worked with a company

1123
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: like Live Nation. I had done like Jill Scott's Picnic,

1124
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: which was that was a pivotal moment for me. That

1125
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 1: was like, you know, maybe like seven months before the

1126
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: pandemic and I played the Jill Scott picnic. It was me, well,

1127
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 1: I wasn't headlined, but it was Jill Scott, Jasmine Sullivan, Music,

1128
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: Soul Child, Mace and I was the opening act. And

1129
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: we're in Philly, Mace Smith his flight. So now they're

1130
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 1: scrambling trying to figure out what to do to keep

1131
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: people happy. And then the president of Live Nation Urban

1132
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: came to me and said, hey, we're gonna switch. You're

1133
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,919
Speaker 1: not gonna open music, so was gonna open, You're gonna

1134
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: go on after him? And I was like, are you

1135
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: fighting crazy? Like this man's town he's singing. Yeah. He

1136
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: was like, no, trust me on this one. You're gonna

1137
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: change the whole thing. We can't we that's that's the

1138
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: way you want to do it. And I thought he

1139
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: was out of his mind. And music went on and

1140
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: he killed it, and when I got on for my set,

1141
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. It was like by that time, it

1142
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: was packed, the energy was crazy. And then I went

1143
01:03:42,360 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: into it because you know, Jasmine was gonna sing slow

1144
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: RM and B songs and Jills, you know, she got

1145
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: something not really up tempos, but yeah, she's on Jill.

1146
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very vibe, vibe, sitting down vibe like

1147
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: some instnse and like you know. But from my set,

1148
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: it was like, he's gonna go up for a minute,

1149
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: if nuts for like an hour. And I was like, Yo,

1150
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: this is what I need to be doing. I don't

1151
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: need clubs. And then I hit them up like towards

1152
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: the end of the year, like in November, and I

1153
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 1: was like, look, man, I just I don't want to

1154
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 1: do clubs anymore. If you guys have an opportunity for

1155
01:04:15,480 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: someone like me to just be an opening act for

1156
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: someone like, yeah, I would. I would prefer to do

1157
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: that now because I was I was. I was tired, bro.

1158
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,160
Speaker 1: And then they gave me Jill Scott's tour. They gave

1159
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: me ten dates on Jill's twenty anniversary tour, but we

1160
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 1: only did one did Radio City Music Hall. And it's

1161
01:04:33,560 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: funny how how this whole thing works. And this is

1162
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 1: no knock to anyone. This is really about how how

1163
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: life works. I was the opening act. I was the

1164
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 1: warm up act, so my DJ booth was in front

1165
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: of the curtains. Yeah, that was the front. No, you cannot,

1166
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: that's left. But the stage looks like I don't knock it,

1167
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But I did that one

1168
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: show and then did a couple of more shows and

1169
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: then you know obviously like super Bowl and everything, and

1170
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: then and then pandemic hit. So before that though, before that,

1171
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: because this is this is this is something that was

1172
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: very near and dear to me and watching what y'all

1173
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: were doing, you and our brother Kenny Burns Nice the

1174
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: nice and Burns right, because that was something that kicked

1175
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: off before the pandemic. And that was when I say,

1176
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: y'all was burning ship down. Yeall was like on some

1177
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: real fly, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna look good,

1178
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: the music gonna sound good, and we're gonna turn this

1179
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: thing up right. So that so is this is that

1180
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: before you start doing the opener stuff. No, No, it

1181
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:47,600
Speaker 1: was always Kenny and I've been doing this since like

1182
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 1: around two thousand and ten. Okay, we started doing it

1183
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:54,280
Speaker 1: with the party in Atlantic Soul Fusion, and then we

1184
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 1: would do it every every like quarterly in Detroit. It

1185
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: wasn't like the way we do quarterly. Inded Troy, Yeah,

1186
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,360
Speaker 1: because we had a buddy out in Detroit by the

1187
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: name of Dennis Archer, and Dennis would throw a party

1188
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: out in Birmingham, Michigan, and he was just you know,

1189
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: he's an attorney. His wife at the times to judge

1190
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, yeah they had it. Yeah, they had gone. Yeah.

1191
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: So but he was like he was the dude. He

1192
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: was like he was on the scene, like yeah, he

1193
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 1: would do these Flis parties and he was like, Yo,

1194
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: I need you and Kenny, It's gonna be flot And

1195
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: Kenny and I are like, all right, cool, Kenny's going host.

1196
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: This is when we really started doing it together. But

1197
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 1: the thing about Kenny and I, which was dope, we

1198
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: both had our own We're both unique, we had our

1199
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: own background, our own stories. So we didn't do every

1200
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: show together. We just found like a few, like the

1201
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: wedding and a few things like that that we would

1202
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: do together. But yes, but whatever we did, whenever we

1203
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: did something, it was special, you know, and we would

1204
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of reserve that for like Essence Fest or something

1205
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: like that to do like the parties, but like, yeah,

1206
01:06:57,040 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 1: but that stuff, you know, Rocke McKenny is is the

1207
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: easiest thing, man, because we know each other's sensibilities and

1208
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 1: music sensibilities, like I know when to switch that up.

1209
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: I know when to change it up because I know

1210
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 1: if I echo something now, Kenny's gonna say the right thing,

1211
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: and then I could just bring something totally different than

1212
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: that would just excite everyone. So we never talked about music.

1213
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: We never talked about what he's gonna say. It's strictly

1214
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: based on here, based on this feeling that we trust

1215
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,960
Speaker 1: each other. And you know, sometimes he'll come over and

1216
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: be like, yo, trust me, this is the one right here,

1217
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, like and then I'll play a swag surfing

1218
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,400
Speaker 1: like I was never really in this wag surfing, you know,

1219
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:41,720
Speaker 1: like because that wasn't my scene. He's going he's going

1220
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: to surfer. Yeah, but like yeah, but you know, our

1221
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: vibe was always dope man, and you know we were

1222
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: we were continuing to build it even more. But then

1223
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 1: that pandemic hid and then it's like we were separated.

1224
01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: And then, you know, because of what happened, it just

1225
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: to my career to like some crazy, crazy heights man.

1226
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: And so when the so when the pandemic hits, yeah,

1227
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: let's talk about that. Let's talk about the initial right,

1228
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 1: because there's the conversation that a lot of us don't

1229
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: talk about of the full shutdown, Like it was so

1230
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: different for a lot of other other industries, but for

1231
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: the music business, where we had to literally get out

1232
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: and touch the people, it went quiet. I'm talking about

1233
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: radio silence. So when that first hits, right, because y'are

1234
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 1: doing nice and burn show, you're doing your own shows, y'all,

1235
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: y'all like y'all really cooking. You're cooking, y'all cooking, y'all

1236
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: moving around. This money seems like it's never ending because

1237
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: it's just it's like a continuous hit record. You can

1238
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: always go get a bag, and then they say the

1239
01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: story is closed. The store is closed. The store was closed, bro.

1240
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: It wasn't closed for me for long, but it did

1241
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: feel that way because that's when the you know. So

1242
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: the reason why I went on and played it wasn't

1243
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: that I was trying to find like I wasn't trying

1244
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: to find hobbies, you know, Like I was really just frustrated, bro,

1245
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: because I you know, I'm self managed. I've always been

1246
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: self managed. I got a team, but like it's me,

1247
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 1: I handled the deals, you know, like I talked to

1248
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: everyone because you know, for someone like myself. You know,

1249
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: I just always a new win to make the right deals.

1250
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: Like A knew when to say no, I'm not going

1251
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: to charge that person that amount of money because I

1252
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: see what this deal is gonna do. Who's gonna be

1253
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: in that room. They may not have this budget. You know.

1254
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes when you have representation, they just people just want

1255
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,719
Speaker 1: to take, take and take. And I never really operated

1256
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: that way. I was always like nahnu, yeah for you,

1257
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: what makes sense for me? You know. And then you know,

1258
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: and when when the pandemic hit, you know, when I

1259
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: was home by myself. Look, you guys traveled a lot,

1260
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, Like I know who you are and what

1261
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 1: you both accomplished in your careers. We're never home, you know,

1262
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: but you were also in relationship, you know, married at

1263
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,400
Speaker 1: the time. I don't know what your status is, but

1264
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 1: like there was always someone home making sure that home

1265
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: was great. I was another at home, you know what

1266
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean. Like I had moved to l A a

1267
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: year before, so a pandemic, I wasn't home until the

1268
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 1: day before the shutdown, so I had no food. Everybody

1269
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 1: had broken into the stores, you know, So I was

1270
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,720
Speaker 1: in the stories and I'm you know, at the time,

1271
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, I had a little bit of paper, it

1272
01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 1: didn't matter. I had to buy a line of beans,

1273
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and protein bars, you know,

1274
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,560
Speaker 1: and and you know, just things that I don't know,

1275
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,560
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, whatever it is that I

1276
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 1: could get for for this two weeks because everything was

1277
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,880
Speaker 1: shutting down. And you know, when I was sitting at

1278
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: home and I was looking around, I was like, man,

1279
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: I didn't like where I lived because I had moved

1280
01:10:58,320 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 1: to l A a year before, but I was never

1281
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: home to take time to, like, you don't know where

1282
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: you lived, like decorate. I had like four pictures on

1283
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: the wall when you walked through the door. That's literally it.

1284
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: No art, nothing. I didn't personalize anything, you know. The

1285
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: sofa that I had in there was was the sofa

1286
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: that I had in my New York apartment, which was

1287
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:19,599
Speaker 1: much smaller. Now I'm in the spacious kind of loft.

1288
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:21,680
Speaker 1: So when I was looking around, I was like, man,

1289
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta sitting here for like for weeks

1290
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: by myself. This is what I did. And I was frustrated,

1291
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, Like so when I got up that morning

1292
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 1: and um and I went live for the first time

1293
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 1: on Instagram um, because I never used Instagram Live. I

1294
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: used Facebook Live, you know, um for the Essence Fest.

1295
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 1: But I never did all of the lot of stuff.

1296
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: And what was the other one periscope? Ever did any

1297
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 1: of that? I'm like, who wants to look at me?

1298
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like I didn't. I didn't

1299
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: see what what it what it could have become, you know,

1300
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: Like I was just on some wants to sit there

1301
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: and like spying someone's life, you know what I mean. Like,

1302
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 1: so it wasn't my vibe and hill. I sat there

1303
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: at that counter and I was like, man, I'm just

1304
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 1: gonna play some music and tell some stories. And over

1305
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 1: my laptop up selected a song and I started, I

1306
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: know what the first song was. I was just about

1307
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 1: to ask you. Yeah, it was a song called Rising

1308
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: to the Top Kenny Burke, And that was my first song.

1309
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: And I started my I g queue that up, and

1310
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:25,880
Speaker 1: I started telling stories about being a kid, like yo.

1311
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my gosh, there was two hundred

1312
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: people in here. This is kind of cool, like yo, yo.

1313
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: And then I would see like my friends in there,

1314
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 1: Chuck Bone, and this is when I was like we're

1315
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 1: all in there Blue Williams, and like I was like, oh, yo, no,

1316
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, no, DJ gives just my laptop with the

1317
01:12:42,920 --> 01:12:44,840
Speaker 1: phone sitting and I'm looking at it reading like yo,

1318
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: this is crazy, Like yeah, I'm gonna play this song

1319
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 1: from like when I used to walk into clubs in

1320
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:52,599
Speaker 1: like nine six when I first came on the scene

1321
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: and Bruce b was playing this and this is this

1322
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: was like the anthem. This was the Queen's anthem and

1323
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: this was what they were playing Hallom with Bruce b

1324
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,639
Speaker 1: B was jan at the roof top and I play

1325
01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 1: a song and then people were like commenting like yo,

1326
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: this is dope. Yeah, and I was like yo, And

1327
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even play the full song because I knew

1328
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,760
Speaker 1: you could you you couldn't play music on Instagram. I

1329
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: would just play a little bit of it. Then I

1330
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: would switch it up, like yo, remember you know this

1331
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: Dennis Edward joint was just rocking, and I would play

1332
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. That's literally how it started.

1333
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:23,439
Speaker 1: And I did that for like hours, like three hours

1334
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: in the first day, and it was like two people.

1335
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: And then I knew John Legend had started doing his

1336
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: thing too, So the next day I hit Hassan Smith up.

1337
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, I just noticed that you can

1338
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: go live with someone. You think John would go live

1339
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: with me? And he was like, yeah, I'll call just

1340
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: your man, I'll call him. So he called John and

1341
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: then I started calling all my old school hip hop friends,

1342
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 1: like YO called Deggie Fresh. I was like, Doug, Yo,

1343
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: go live to me and say hi to the people

1344
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: like I've never done a lot yet people. I was

1345
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: just trying to make the ship fly. Yo, just come

1346
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:02,720
Speaker 1: in and Doug was like, I don't even know how

1347
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: he tried. He didn't know how to join the conversation.

1348
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 1: It's way more people didn't Doug. That did Junk try

1349
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: to get on there, you know, Duncan figured out. Then

1350
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: the first person that I went live with was I

1351
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: believe I'll be sure. It was I'll be Sure that

1352
01:14:18,360 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: went live with me first, and he was, you know,

1353
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: he was all on his outbeat. Then Kane went live

1354
01:14:29,439 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: with me. Dave Chappelle went live with me, but not

1355
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 1: he didn't have Instagram, so it went from his wife's account,

1356
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So they was just watching

1357
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:40,720
Speaker 1: TV and they were they had the music going on

1358
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,920
Speaker 1: in the background. Me on the background when they was

1359
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: his partying. But Dave went live and talked to the people,

1360
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: and then um the one that I noticed because I

1361
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention to how it works. Now I remember

1362
01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:54,599
Speaker 1: I'm a programmer. When I went live with John Legend

1363
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,960
Speaker 1: and he had his daughter Lula on his shoulders and

1364
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,679
Speaker 1: we were just he was just saying how to the people.

1365
01:15:00,200 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: I looked at the numbers, and my numbers went from

1366
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: like that. It was like at that time floating around

1367
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: three hundred. That joints the six thousand, and I was like, wait,

1368
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: what the fund just happened? And then usually like when

1369
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm done, I just analyzed everything and I was like,

1370
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, it's telling people. It's notifying that other

1371
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: person's like whoever they're on with telling their people, because

1372
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 1: that joint went to six thousand, and then when he

1373
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: left it went down to one thousand. Like now I

1374
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,360
Speaker 1: got a thousand people in there, and I was like,

1375
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,960
Speaker 1: oh ship, Like no one knew all of that. This

1376
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: was early. No one was using I g Live like that.

1377
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:43,920
Speaker 1: There didn't no one like in that week it increased

1378
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 1: because of what I was doing, like no bullshit, So

1379
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: no one knew what was going on? Like, and I

1380
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: saw that and I was like, oh my gosh, this

1381
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: is crazy. And I was indeed and this was now

1382
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm just having like conversation and playing songs and then

1383
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: back to the and then I decided to call it

1384
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: a party because I called I called Clark kent up

1385
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, yo, bro, like this actually feels real,

1386
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, I don't know, like I'm

1387
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,720
Speaker 1: happy and here my speakers allowed, so it felt like

1388
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 1: I was in the club. It was like at this point, too,

1389
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:19,839
Speaker 1: you're in an apartment. I was in an apartment. Neighbors,

1390
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: how did you? How did you deal with that? I mean,

1391
01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: I couldn't kick you out of the pandemic, so it

1392
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: wasn't like they could give me out, but they were

1393
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 1: banging on the walls and it was like, yeah, very annoying.

1394
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: It felt uncomfortable because I'm not I don't like confrontation

1395
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,719
Speaker 1: and I also like respecting people's space. But they didn't

1396
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:40,080
Speaker 1: see what I was seeing. But I was seeing what

1397
01:16:40,120 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: they did. They know that, yeah, but they don't even

1398
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 1: they didn't even know who d Knights was because I

1399
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: ended up meeting the neighbors. They had no idea who

1400
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,640
Speaker 1: I was, which is a funny story too. But like

1401
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: when I called Clark, I was like, I'm gonna call

1402
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna name this a party because before that people

1403
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 1: started reaching out to me. Now like you know, you

1404
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: know chicken spots, you know, I got the call from

1405
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: like someone from wingstop. That was like I knew, I

1406
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: knew it was cracking. When a girl asked me, she

1407
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:17,040
Speaker 1: was like, and she knows you too, but she was like,

1408
01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 1: do you know where? Do you know where? Do you

1409
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: know where there lives? No? Listen, listen, listen, it's crazy,

1410
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: but I don't. She's like, would you would you mind like,

1411
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, just calling him and getting his address because

1412
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: I want to. I just want to take him something,

1413
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: so I just want to deliver it. I'll just leave

1414
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:36,680
Speaker 1: it at the door. I just you know, he's just

1415
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 1: over there by himself. I'm like, oh, he's craggy, jaty

1416
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:51,720
Speaker 1: get him jaety, oh ship. We just want to drop

1417
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: off the food. Yeah. Then I started getting food. Yeah,

1418
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty listen. We won't say, but I'm

1419
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: pretty sure I called you got your address? Ye sitting

1420
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: they were sitting food. They would have the chefs make

1421
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: like yo. It was that first week was like things

1422
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: flipped quickly, like and it was really because I never

1423
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,000
Speaker 1: I didn't ask anybody for anything. Like I was just like,

1424
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna play some music because this feels good,

1425
01:18:16,360 --> 01:18:19,200
Speaker 1: like I was. Then I became addicted to it. Then

1426
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I'm gonna When Clark said that,

1427
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna go and get some gear

1428
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 1: because I didn't have DJ gear at home. And I

1429
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: made it to like guitar Stan I like thirty minutes

1430
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: before they closed. If I didn't make it there, I

1431
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't none of this happens, you know. But I made

1432
01:18:31,479 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 1: it there. You had no gears. No, I didn't believe

1433
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: in having like gear at home, you know what I'm saying.

1434
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: Like I lived in an apartment. I didn't want to

1435
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,879
Speaker 1: walk in my living room and see like like turn tables.

1436
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:43,720
Speaker 1: That just wasn't sexy to me, you know. Um So

1437
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,560
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything. But like now I'm stuck in

1438
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 1: the house, I need something, and um man, I bought

1439
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 1: that controller. And then that's when I posted home school,

1440
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 1: and this dude right here was like call it home school.

1441
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 1: That's terrible. Man. I was like it's homeschool. Because by

1442
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:07,720
Speaker 1: that guy, I thought I was you know, I thought

1443
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 1: I was warting something. I was like, this home school,

1444
01:19:10,280 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm teaching these cats about music. You know what I'm saying, like, Yo,

1445
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm educating you on the classics right now. He's always

1446
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,720
Speaker 1: gonna call you with it. That ain't their chick. Yo.

1447
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 1: He definitely said that, and he was like, what do

1448
01:19:21,240 --> 01:19:23,600
Speaker 1: you mean, I'm hot. He was like, no, it's not

1449
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: in like homeschool. Like that's cool. You should call it

1450
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 1: club quarantine. Wow. Yeah, yeah, I owe you on that one. Brother.

1451
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: He was like, you should call it club quarantine. People

1452
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 1: thought I sold the name club quarantine from other people,

1453
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:54,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yo, I really just got it from this.

1454
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 1: Maybe he did, but I didn't listen. No disclaimer, no,

1455
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:06,639
Speaker 1: no disclaimer, no disclaimer, no. I just for me, that's

1456
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,560
Speaker 1: what it was. It was club quarnine. It was you

1457
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:13,080
Speaker 1: literally brought the club to the quarantine. It was. Now

1458
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: if someone else was saying that, I don't know either

1459
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 1: because I but I wasn't watching anybody else since so

1460
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know. People were definitely like I had

1461
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: club quarantine and I didn't know if you did if

1462
01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:29,880
Speaker 1: you started a Yeah, your first day we was on

1463
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,600
Speaker 1: and we was telling everybody body, y'all, make sure you

1464
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: know who was he who was a heavy promoter for you.

1465
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: Tyrese Gibson was really And that's crazy because you probably

1466
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: just didn't even know, but Tyrese was promoting Club Quarantine

1467
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: as if he was because he was just so excited

1468
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,800
Speaker 1: and he loved what you were doing that much. I

1469
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: just I remember that. I remember that, and and that's something,

1470
01:21:01,400 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: like I said, that's something you should know because as brothers,

1471
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 1: a lot of times we don't understand sometimes the people

1472
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: that are pulling for us, and we think we're doing

1473
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: you know, we think we're out here by ourselves, right,

1474
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: we think that, man, I'm just I have somebody, and

1475
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: there are people that are literally pushing you forward without

1476
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 1: even you know, without absolutely I mean that's how we

1477
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,760
Speaker 1: got excuse me, so many people in there, you know, Um,

1478
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,640
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people like that, Yeah, that

1479
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 1: were literally sending sending to each other, sending d ms

1480
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: like oh d nights on, getting like reminding each other everything.

1481
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: But like it was really the conversation started. Yeah, it

1482
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:43,759
Speaker 1: was a community. Then it took on a whole another.

1483
01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: It became a whole of the monster were like you

1484
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:50,000
Speaker 1: were actually talking to people and telling people what you

1485
01:21:50,160 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: was drinking and what you're about to order from the bar,

1486
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: and like like I'm doing the running Man right now,

1487
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: what you do. Like it became that the commentary was

1488
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 1: the better, the commentary the best. You see real different

1489
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: people tap in, you see them blue checks and people

1490
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:10,519
Speaker 1: like it was going up. It was it was going up.

1491
01:22:10,880 --> 01:22:15,760
Speaker 1: And I think aside from your gift, which obviously drove it,

1492
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,599
Speaker 1: it was the fact that people were genuinely they were

1493
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:25,760
Speaker 1: genuinely happy for you because all of us that had

1494
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: encountered you in real life, I knew the guy you were,

1495
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:36,439
Speaker 1: and we were really happy about something good happening to

1496
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:40,320
Speaker 1: a good person, And I think that was something that

1497
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: pushed us to promote, to talk about it, to tap

1498
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 1: in to you know what I mean, like like just

1499
01:22:48,600 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 1: like you said you just like man, I just be random.

1500
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: I've randomly called j about different things, but just even that,

1501
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,800
Speaker 1: it was like, no, this is my friend, but yeah,

1502
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 1: he cracking, And we've all had friends who get cracking.

1503
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 1: But it was different, I think for everybody associated with you,

1504
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 1: because we were just like he deserved this because everybody

1505
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:15,519
Speaker 1: hadn't experience the d nice party either, because you became

1506
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:18,800
Speaker 1: very corporate for a minute, were you was you was

1507
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:21,560
Speaker 1: getting your corporate back. You just weren't you know what

1508
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 1: I mean, You wasn't at every single club. They couldn't

1509
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: experience you like that. So now everybody and every Middle

1510
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 1: America and and you put R and B in a

1511
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: different heaven, heavy heavy, heavy, R and B. You put

1512
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 1: R and B and out. I love the record you

1513
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,160
Speaker 1: and Neo did. Yeah, like you was really tapping in.

1514
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you did so much with with that one thing,

1515
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: like you. I mean, it's monumental. So to see how

1516
01:23:56,600 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: it grew into like going to the Hollywood ball a man,

1517
01:24:01,800 --> 01:24:08,679
Speaker 1: Yeah that was crazy, bro, the Hollywood Bowl rocking like that. Yeah,

1518
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 1: it's crazy going back next year too, Yeah that was crazy. Yeah. Yeah,

1519
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 1: that's to me, that is where that's what CQ represents

1520
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,800
Speaker 1: because that was like the entire pen the entire early

1521
01:24:24,840 --> 01:24:28,120
Speaker 1: part of the pandemic all I imagine. I couldn't think

1522
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: of any other place that that felt like I was like, man,

1523
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: when the world opens up, I just want to play

1524
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:36,719
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Bowl because the Hollywood Bowl was the reason

1525
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: why I moved to l A. I had gone to

1526
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: a concert there, like a Lauren Hill concert, and I

1527
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: was it was Lauren Hill and like Dave Chappelle, and

1528
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, you mean you can party outside, but

1529
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: I've never been there, Like wait, you can sit here

1530
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,200
Speaker 1: and party and drink wine in your own box in

1531
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:59,640
Speaker 1: order food. Yo, they had blankets. I was like, my

1532
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 1: part with blankets. You know, got blankets and listen, you

1533
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: got some offering. And he was. He was the full

1534
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: kicker of club Quarantine, the prettiest women in the entire world. No, no,

1535
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:16,400
Speaker 1: I definitely have some beautiful phones. Oh my god. Like

1536
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like Tank one night one night, because

1537
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 1: because one night, you know, I used to be I

1538
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 1: just be fooling around and I'm in there playing music.

1539
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: I always get kicked off for playing songs so way

1540
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 1: too long, playing songs in a way too nasty. And

1541
01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:39,120
Speaker 1: one night d Nice literally brought his people. I was like, yo,

1542
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 1: go there, we're gonna go. Let's flood his page. I

1543
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: turned all the way up. What I was like, Oh yeah, okay,

1544
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 1: y'all didn't know I could get this. I didn't know

1545
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:56,559
Speaker 1: he was a nasty I'm like, yeah, I'm just happy

1546
01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 1: that you know some of the corporate people maybe they

1547
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:01,080
Speaker 1: were there, maybe you know now. But you know what's

1548
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: so funny though, there's I Menna leave her name out,

1549
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 1: but she's a huge, huge She's huge at one of

1550
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: the film companies, like huge, like CEO type huge like.

1551
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 1: And I had a chance to speak with her and

1552
01:26:14,360 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 1: like about a week ago, and she was with a buddy.

1553
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: She was like, you know, she knew that we knew

1554
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: each other, and he put her on the phone and man,

1555
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 1: this woman, she was like, you have no idea. I

1556
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:29,400
Speaker 1: love you like I listened to you in the middle

1557
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,479
Speaker 1: of the night. So that means she was listening to

1558
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: the slow songs that I was playing, was extra nasty,

1559
01:26:36,240 --> 01:26:37,760
Speaker 1: Like she was like, yeah, I would wake up, I

1560
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,759
Speaker 1: would shower them. You were on. Like it really became

1561
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: u it became a thing, and it was something that

1562
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:45,600
Speaker 1: people really look forward to, you know. And that's and

1563
01:26:45,680 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 1: to me, that's what made like the Hollywood Bowl and

1564
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,519
Speaker 1: these gigs that I have so special. That when you

1565
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 1: look into that audience, you see a little bit of everyone. Yeah,

1566
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: you know, you see a little bit of everyone different

1567
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: backgrounds and coaches and because that's what it represented, man like,

1568
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:05,960
Speaker 1: you know, And the thing that made it easy was

1569
01:27:06,439 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 1: the music that I played represented love. You know. I

1570
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 1: didn't really thug it out. I think I went in

1571
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 1: your comments and tried to get you to drag it

1572
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:20,200
Speaker 1: out a couple of times. You up, because in my mind,

1573
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 1: what I saw on the other end of the phone

1574
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: was people listening with their families, and I wanted to

1575
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: be respectful of that. You know, I haven't you know,

1576
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:29,439
Speaker 1: at the time, she was eight. You know, I haven't

1577
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:30,840
Speaker 1: eight year old. You know, I don't want to hear

1578
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: like crazy with the kids. Sure we danced with kids,

1579
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 1: you know. Like so that was that that that was

1580
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:41,840
Speaker 1: on my mind. And I remember, like, um, a few

1581
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 1: months ago, like one of my friends was in town

1582
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:47,040
Speaker 1: and she came over and she just stopped by. She

1583
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:48,720
Speaker 1: was like, do you mind if I stopped by for

1584
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: a minute. I want you to meet this kid. And

1585
01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 1: she pulled up. Her friend was driving. They pulled up

1586
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: and I went outside the hat on. I'm thinking, I'm

1587
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna meet like a kid like, you know, eight or nine,

1588
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 1: roll down the back window on his kid turned around

1589
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,040
Speaker 1: and his eyes lit up, and she said, who is

1590
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: that baby? This little kid was two years old and

1591
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 1: he was like, it's d nice, and I thought about it.

1592
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,600
Speaker 1: I was like Elmo to this kid because I was

1593
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 1: always probably on his mother's screens or on that you

1594
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,880
Speaker 1: know in the kitchen. You know, like that's all he

1595
01:28:21,040 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: saw for like two years. So like it too, even

1596
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: to the kids, it means something, Yeah, yeah, that's wild, bro,

1597
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: it's wild, and it's it's I don't want to say

1598
01:28:29,800 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 1: why in the negative way, it's just it's just beautiful. Man,

1599
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: Like to know your music, your music, you know, Stevie Wonder,

1600
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:42,000
Speaker 1: David Bowie, you know, Level forty two, Like all of

1601
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: this music kept people dancing. You're dancing your kitchen and

1602
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: ship that you probably didn't even know, but it just

1603
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 1: felt good and your kids were dancing. You're just having

1604
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 1: a good time and you know you probably were in

1605
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 1: there kick in the kitchen cooking and the vibes felt good.

1606
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:57,640
Speaker 1: And the next thing, you know, like now you know

1607
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 1: that song, like not too many people was playing Melbourne more.

1608
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,640
Speaker 1: You know right now, shout out to Melbourne more like

1609
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: Melbourne because now I now interact with Melbourne more because

1610
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: of Club Quarantine. Stephanie Mills and Legends she was in

1611
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 1: there every day. Now rogers forget about it. Now, I

1612
01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:20,760
Speaker 1: was in there everything like yo. And then now it's

1613
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,560
Speaker 1: like when they see me out, they're like yo. You know,

1614
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 1: like Melbourne. Melbourne just she's getting her star in Hollywood

1615
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 1: Walk of Fame and when she posted about it, she

1616
01:29:29,439 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: was like yo. Oh. A lot of this to d

1617
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 1: nice because he reminded people who I am, you know,

1618
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 1: like you see an icon leave comments like that. It's

1619
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:41,040
Speaker 1: like wow, like you know, I don't want to make

1620
01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: it light, you know that. I was just playing music,

1621
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:46,559
Speaker 1: but I selected those songs to play when the world

1622
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: was listening because I wanted to remind people of what

1623
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 1: what love felt like musically, Like sonically this this feels

1624
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: like love, you know, even if you didn't know what

1625
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,519
Speaker 1: they were singing, that rhythm something. How could you not

1626
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:01,400
Speaker 1: How could you put on David Boy's fame and not

1627
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: feel like you want to lean your hat to the

1628
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: side or something like the drums and that guitar like

1629
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: or you just want a head not you know what

1630
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:13,920
Speaker 1: I mean? Like, how could you not play like you know, um,

1631
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye Distant Lover and I feel like you want

1632
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: to pour a glass of wine in front of the world, like, Yo,

1633
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: this is what we're listening to right now. Let's this

1634
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: is it right now? We used to slow dance. Let's

1635
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 1: slow dance together all over the world in your living rooms. Yeah.

1636
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: So I couldn't have like a Hollywood Bowl without having

1637
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 1: Tank you know what I mean? Because I was playing

1638
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: those records in the middle of the night, like everyone

1639
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 1: knew what Tank record I was playing. I was playing

1640
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:49,760
Speaker 1: dirty like crazy, yo, dirty record. I was like, I

1641
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: played one that I was like, God, damn ye. This

1642
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: ship is nasty, but it's sexy. All types of what

1643
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm doing with this pillow and a pregnancy music. I

1644
01:31:01,400 --> 01:31:09,120
Speaker 1: put your face to the pillow, so listen, so listen

1645
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 1: on that note, on that note. Nice, You're a superstar,

1646
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: right and you've you've had success before, You've been known before,

1647
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: but now you are, you're an international star. How does

1648
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:26,920
Speaker 1: that feel? Because it's it's it's different and managing that

1649
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 1: it's different. It's different, you know, like before before the

1650
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 1: world opened up and when this thing was like blowing

1651
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: up crazy, I was on the zoom call with like

1652
01:31:38,120 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: it was like puff Jay. Then he asked it was

1653
01:31:42,040 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: Lenny asked his birthday and we're all in this and

1654
01:31:43,920 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 1: I was I was still on c Q DJ and

1655
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,000
Speaker 1: but I would play a song and run back to

1656
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,439
Speaker 1: the laptop, like and I'm in this whole conversation with

1657
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: everyone and like and then Jay kept going, Yo, how

1658
01:31:54,760 --> 01:31:57,680
Speaker 1: does it feel? And I'm like, you're talking about bro.

1659
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,040
Speaker 1: He's like, how does it feel? He's like not not really,

1660
01:32:01,080 --> 01:32:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be an asshole, like how does

1661
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: it feel? It's like, yo, bro, I had success before.

1662
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 1: He was like, no, you had success, and you had

1663
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:13,880
Speaker 1: a couple of hit records, but this is different. I

1664
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 1: didn't know what he meant because I was still at

1665
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: Z asking Jay Z like yo. I was still at home,

1666
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know if this dude is

1667
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:27,680
Speaker 1: talking about your new fan. Yeah at this point, right,

1668
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,439
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, Line was like, yo, Jay,

1669
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: chill man Shi Like he was like, no, I really

1670
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:36,160
Speaker 1: want to know because this is different. I didn't know

1671
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 1: until until we put that Hollywood Bowl on sale. Give

1672
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: the people how fast that thing? So that thing sold

1673
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: out in like four days? Man, Like the Hollywood Bowl.

1674
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like in like four or four or five days,

1675
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:55,680
Speaker 1: sold out, sold out, and then they were reserving some

1676
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 1: tickets because it was selling so quickly that they held

1677
01:32:58,800 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of tickets because they were like, yo, we

1678
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: gotta make sure like artists got tickets or whatever. But

1679
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: then when they released the artist tickets, those drinks sold,

1680
01:33:06,479 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, it was like, holy sh it,

1681
01:33:09,200 --> 01:33:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, and like the one thing that mattered the

1682
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:13,960
Speaker 1: most to me, well, one of the things that mattered

1683
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 1: the most, not even the one thing, but it goes

1684
01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:21,040
Speaker 1: back to the days of like opening for Jill and

1685
01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,920
Speaker 1: remembering where they had me, not jail per se. I

1686
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 1: just never want to say it's about the artist, but

1687
01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:27,320
Speaker 1: like you know, when they set up everything, they're like, oh,

1688
01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: he's just the DJ, and having that DJ booth in

1689
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,479
Speaker 1: that corner, I was like, my joint is going to

1690
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: be front and center the castle at L E. D One,

1691
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I'm gonna have every top on top.

1692
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 1: But I also wanted to make sure that every artist

1693
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,880
Speaker 1: felt love when they came out, that it switched from

1694
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,519
Speaker 1: my logo to big gas tank on you know what

1695
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and every time someone walked out because it

1696
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 1: was that's what I personally feel like I represented inclusion

1697
01:33:56,520 --> 01:33:59,120
Speaker 1: and love and like you know, we're all doing this together,

1698
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, so you know, I just remember sitting in

1699
01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: that dressing room and take to sit there. He was like,

1700
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:11,559
Speaker 1: you're DJ, You're sold out the Hollywood Like what the hell,

1701
01:34:12,160 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 1: I've never played the Hollywood Bowl. Hollywood. He's like, Yo,

1702
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: you got the Hollywood Bowl. Like this is wild and

1703
01:34:18,960 --> 01:34:20,960
Speaker 1: that's that's why I'm playing, Like, you know, like when

1704
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: you know I'm playing Carnegie Hall next week, man, and

1705
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:28,000
Speaker 1: that you know that that feels crazy too, where I'm like, man,

1706
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 1: I got my own night at Carnegie Hall. Like I

1707
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 1: went specifically to Carnegie Hall to see, you know how

1708
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,360
Speaker 1: they have like the little billboard posters on the side

1709
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:40,639
Speaker 1: of the on the side of the building. And as

1710
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:44,080
Speaker 1: I walked up, and it's funny. As I walked up, Um,

1711
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 1: one of the guys from New Kids on the Block

1712
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 1: was walking up at the same time, and he's just

1713
01:34:47,600 --> 01:34:50,240
Speaker 1: like yo. D turned around him and I was like, yo,

1714
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find my poster. He was like, I'll

1715
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,439
Speaker 1: go with you. And then we walked over and just

1716
01:34:54,479 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: stood there together and we were both sitting there like

1717
01:34:56,479 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: because they had never played Carnkie all either. And I

1718
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,600
Speaker 1: think he's working on something right now for Carnegie. But

1719
01:35:02,720 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 1: like we just stood there and we just looked at

1720
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, this is wild. This is

1721
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 1: some wild ship. Man. Like, so not only did it

1722
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 1: it makes me or you know, kind of put the

1723
01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,599
Speaker 1: spotlight on me with fans and like I was able

1724
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:17,840
Speaker 1: to just play all of the music. But I've also

1725
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: met a lot of artists that I just personally adore,

1726
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you know, like you

1727
01:35:23,479 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: and I, all three of us, we've always been cool.

1728
01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: But like I think the pandemic slowed everything down, and

1729
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,599
Speaker 1: like seeing your names popping all the time, it was like, Yo,

1730
01:35:31,720 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 1: these are my brothers, you know what I mean, Like

1731
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:35,800
Speaker 1: you could have just been doing your own thing, but

1732
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 1: you chose to come and you chose to be Like, yo,

1733
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 1: you should call it quarantine or whatever. You know. The

1734
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 1: first person I hear about, you know, doing the bowl.

1735
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: Because I didn't know how to ask artists. I didn't know, like,

1736
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 1: ye know, I want I want to see if some

1737
01:35:48,280 --> 01:35:49,960
Speaker 1: artists will come out. I didn't know how to ask.

1738
01:35:50,040 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I didn't know I had your number,

1739
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: But I was like I can't call this man, Like

1740
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't I want him to say no. So I

1741
01:35:56,320 --> 01:36:00,639
Speaker 1: called him. He's like, take to that, man, I think

1742
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: it to it and you did. You did most of them, bro,

1743
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 1: And you know, like I got somebody didn't want to

1744
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: be not on anything like Jay. So when what's what's

1745
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 1: what's the schedules, what's the schedule. I'm pulling up. I'm

1746
01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: pulling it up. I'm pulling up. He's like, don't even

1747
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 1: worry about it, you know, like I just want to

1748
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: be there and that come on, man, Like now, but

1749
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: we're we're really about brotherhood, man like seriously, Like we don't.

1750
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:32,959
Speaker 1: We don't say that as just some you know, slogan

1751
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,960
Speaker 1: or something little, you know, tagline, Like we really mean it.

1752
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 1: Like when we fool with you, we fool with you.

1753
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: I mean obviously you've seen that with us, and I

1754
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:44,639
Speaker 1: think we've been we've been in this industry long enough

1755
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,760
Speaker 1: to see the other side of it, the foolishness, the

1756
01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:52,280
Speaker 1: dark side, you know, the crabbing, the barrel of the

1757
01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 1: whole thing. And instead of complaining about that, we're just like,

1758
01:36:56,880 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: we'll just operate different. What operate friend, and the people

1759
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 1: that we choose to deal with will operate different with

1760
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:08,040
Speaker 1: them so that they know Oh, these guys moving a

1761
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 1: different space and hopefully, you know, as corny as it

1762
01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:15,200
Speaker 1: may sound, hopefully somebody will experience that with us and

1763
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: then pass it and move it and pay it forward.

1764
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 1: That's not corny at all, bro, Like that's the way

1765
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:24,600
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be. Pay it forward, you know, Like,

1766
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,640
Speaker 1: and that's that's the vibe. I'm one man, Like I

1767
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: just want to share it with people, you know, like

1768
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: even even the artists that I select, you know, like

1769
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,080
Speaker 1: a lot of artists, you know, when you talk about

1770
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: like a Hollywood Bowl or talk about the Carnegie, you

1771
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: know what that many like hip hop artists and most

1772
01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:41,960
Speaker 1: black artists that played the stage weren't really are be

1773
01:37:42,160 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 1: they were doing like jazz or or you definitely want rap,

1774
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,880
Speaker 1: definitely right, and you're incorporating all of that. So I'm

1775
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,560
Speaker 1: incorporating that, you know, like you know, I got I

1776
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:54,680
Speaker 1: got Kane, and I got Jada Kiss. He's gonna do

1777
01:37:54,800 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna make it Carnegie with the orchestra what yeah, yeah,

1778
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I'm on that mission.

1779
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do we how do we like started

1780
01:38:07,439 --> 01:38:13,599
Speaker 1: corporating real music and not just the drummer like because normally,

1781
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:16,439
Speaker 1: if dudes aren't on tour with a string section at

1782
01:38:16,479 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 1: all and a horn section, that's all synthesizer, you know

1783
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like in Stems and No. Bro, I'm like,

1784
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 1: we're still gonna have the elements of that record because

1785
01:38:26,920 --> 01:38:29,880
Speaker 1: I'm still DJ, and but I you know, I created

1786
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: a whole set list for like the artists in the

1787
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: way it's gonna flow so they can write charts to

1788
01:38:34,360 --> 01:38:38,080
Speaker 1: it so they understand like I want this, yeah, and

1789
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: it's like a DJ experience, but with these live elements

1790
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: that so you're still gonna hear. Yeah, it's bro that part, Like, man,

1791
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 1: I wake up every day thinking about that. Man, Like, man,

1792
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:55,560
Speaker 1: this is going to be like the whole thing. You know,

1793
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: see how smooth do when they reminisce over you with

1794
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:03,120
Speaker 1: real horns out of here with the strings on top

1795
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:09,679
Speaker 1: of it. I'm excited, Bro, we gotta pick your brain.

1796
01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: All right, Let's do it a couple of seconds. You

1797
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:15,200
Speaker 1: know you play a lot R and B, Yes, a

1798
01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: lot plethora. Okay, I want you to give me your

1799
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:25,920
Speaker 1: top five R and B artists, My top five R

1800
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:30,639
Speaker 1: and B artists that I love to play. Um Stevie

1801
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:35,240
Speaker 1: Wonder Prince. I love playing Michael Jackson, I love playing

1802
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 1: um Marmon Gaye, and I love shot Com. That's a

1803
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: cold list. Yeah, that is a cold list. Yeah, yeah,

1804
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I love playing. Yeah, you know

1805
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna be some Beyonce in terms of like what

1806
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 1: I love from my spirit and I play that as

1807
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: a DJ. Hold on, let's get into that. Let's get

1808
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,799
Speaker 1: into that top five R and B songs or albums.

1809
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,040
Speaker 1: You can mix it in or you can just go

1810
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:08,400
Speaker 1: songs from from a DJ S perspective, song not through songs. Um,

1811
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,920
Speaker 1: there's a Prince song that I I don't it's it's

1812
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:15,720
Speaker 1: something about these core progressions that I just love. It's

1813
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: a song called dirty Minds. Like you probably don't know

1814
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,080
Speaker 1: that song. Do you know that I love you dirty Minds?

1815
01:40:22,120 --> 01:40:25,400
Speaker 1: I love Prince. Oh yeah, dirty Minds. You know there's

1816
01:40:25,479 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: just something about that record that when I play that,

1817
01:40:28,160 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, Tank gre Up in the church, so he

1818
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:34,680
Speaker 1: didn't get you here. My mama's favorite artist and the

1819
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:36,760
Speaker 1: only light skin man she was ever in love with.

1820
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:40,679
Speaker 1: My mama, you know, she high yellow. She she only

1821
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: loved dark skiing man. But Prince, he was the one

1822
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:46,840
Speaker 1: Light Skin so yes, I record. I grew up listening

1823
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:51,000
Speaker 1: to Prince. That record moves me, Um, Alexander O'Neill, Charelle

1824
01:40:51,080 --> 01:40:57,560
Speaker 1: stay love that moves me like that? You know? Uh me?

1825
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,639
Speaker 1: Think of another old Stevie Wonders. Do I do? Yeah?

1826
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 1: That that moves it? I mean, am I the only

1827
01:41:03,200 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 1: one that here? Is Ja Rue? Every time that comes

1828
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: on now though I don't hear Joe, Okay, I find

1829
01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: it fine. Um that's three. That's three, um man, and

1830
01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 1: there's a shocker in there. I'm just trying to decide

1831
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:23,800
Speaker 1: which Shaka I know you, I live you. Do you

1832
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 1: know that song? I don't know that record. Oh my gosh,

1833
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: Shaka Khan, I know you, I live you. You play it?

1834
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,200
Speaker 1: I know it? Yeah, I know your settlers, you play it.

1835
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:35,840
Speaker 1: I know. I just can't and I can't sing because

1836
01:41:35,840 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: I would I would be singing right now. Sure you

1837
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 1: don't want to try. I don't want to try to

1838
01:41:39,439 --> 01:41:42,519
Speaker 1: just do like I did with y'r route No. No.

1839
01:41:43,120 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 1: Number five, number five, number five songs that I enjoyed

1840
01:41:46,600 --> 01:41:52,240
Speaker 1: playing all about the Benjamin's I can't even like I'm

1841
01:41:52,240 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: gonna take that every time I play that every where

1842
01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: you are. I know we said R and B, but no, no,

1843
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,480
Speaker 1: not come on, Puff needs to be in the conversation.

1844
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:14,320
Speaker 1: I mean, because he's not only a rap legend. You

1845
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: gotta really go and figure out Puff Daddy and what

1846
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:22,920
Speaker 1: he's done in a shout out to love, Let's make

1847
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:25,240
Speaker 1: an R and B votron. Who are you gonna take

1848
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,560
Speaker 1: the vocals from? Who are you going to take the

1849
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: artistry from in terms of style and and the visual?

1850
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:36,479
Speaker 1: And who are you going to take the performance from?

1851
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: Those three pieces? Let's start with the vocals. Who you

1852
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 1: can get the vocals from? Prince? For the vocals, Prince

1853
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:55,599
Speaker 1: could do anything with vocally. He was anything you know, Um, style,

1854
01:42:56,520 --> 01:42:58,160
Speaker 1: do you want your artists to look like you want

1855
01:42:58,240 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 1: to put on any crack it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Lenny, Lenny,

1856
01:43:04,479 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. I see what you're doing now with

1857
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:14,680
Speaker 1: the whole Prince vocal No, no, didn't see what you

1858
01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 1: ask Yeah. Performance performer, performance, Um damn, that's that's a

1859
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: that's a tough one for me. Michael was a dope performer,

1860
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,599
Speaker 1: but like it wouldn't go with that style like old Michael,

1861
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: like young Michael when he was a kid. That Lenny

1862
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:38,800
Speaker 1: Kravitz looked was his style and used to stuff like

1863
01:43:38,920 --> 01:43:40,920
Speaker 1: I used to like I was never really into like

1864
01:43:41,640 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 1: big stadium, Michael Jackson, young kid Mike with the hat

1865
01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:50,040
Speaker 1: to the side like he was, yeah and man like

1866
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: with a child's heart. Yes, exactly, I knew exactly what

1867
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: you're talking about. So like that, that style of performance,

1868
01:43:56,920 --> 01:44:01,000
Speaker 1: but but not with the Prince vocals. And then Lenny Look,

1869
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:08,679
Speaker 1: so who would that be Jeesus transfer, Oh my goodness,

1870
01:44:08,760 --> 01:44:13,080
Speaker 1: Teddy Pendergrass when he was like when he was because

1871
01:44:13,960 --> 01:44:17,360
Speaker 1: he made he made women. Yeah, with the open silk shirt,

1872
01:44:17,439 --> 01:44:20,759
Speaker 1: with the open silk shirt, might be three po chains,

1873
01:44:22,479 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: might see taco me little husky voice, and it was aggressive.

1874
01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:33,640
Speaker 1: He was aggressive, Yo, you got you got just thing

1875
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:36,840
Speaker 1: about the way he's sang turn them off the scream

1876
01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: he's about to play that in the car headed back home.

1877
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 1: But he was a performan. I don't turn him goddamn

1878
01:44:45,160 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 1: like it was a performan like I don't even think

1879
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,000
Speaker 1: you could do what he did back then, throwing all

1880
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 1: women concert. You can't, you can't, you can't, can't, you can't,

1881
01:44:57,320 --> 01:45:02,080
Speaker 1: you can't the man listen, it's it's it's coming back. Yes,

1882
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:05,600
Speaker 1: it's coming back. Yeah, it's coming. It's going back. We

1883
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:10,240
Speaker 1: were We've gone through it. We're gone through this stage

1884
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:14,160
Speaker 1: of trying to be cool for each other instead of

1885
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 1: being cool for who we need to be cool for

1886
01:45:16,840 --> 01:45:19,320
Speaker 1: the woman that's who we really need to be cool

1887
01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: for because everything revolves around man and we've been in

1888
01:45:22,600 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: this space. But it's it's coming back. I got put

1889
01:45:25,240 --> 01:45:29,920
Speaker 1: on suits in front of Instagram Live for you I hope.

1890
01:45:34,280 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this was one of my friends

1891
01:45:36,120 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 1: called me and she said this was probably like the

1892
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:41,640
Speaker 1: first after the first weekend of like really blowing up.

1893
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 1: And she said, I'm gonna say exactly what she said,

1894
01:45:44,720 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 1: so excuse the language, ladies. She was like. She called me,

1895
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 1: she said, Yo, you're gonna have these bitches falling in

1896
01:45:53,400 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: love with you. I'm like, what are you talking about?

1897
01:45:55,479 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: She was like, d your whole audience nothing but women.

1898
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 1: And at that point nobody was connecting it to their TVs.

1899
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,519
Speaker 1: You were literally holding it on your phone. And she

1900
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,720
Speaker 1: was like, these women are just looking at you, like

1901
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:12,920
Speaker 1: for hours, that's all I'm looking at this you. This

1902
01:46:13,160 --> 01:46:15,439
Speaker 1: is crazy, and you're playing the music that they love.

1903
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:18,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna think you'll sing these songs and I was

1904
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:25,600
Speaker 1: like the essence or word. They definitely did. Like, you know,

1905
01:46:26,160 --> 01:46:28,200
Speaker 1: women used to find where I lived and show up

1906
01:46:28,200 --> 01:46:31,080
Speaker 1: downstairs with the kids waiting, like what did you say

1907
01:46:31,120 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: with the kids? Yo? With the kids, like these are

1908
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 1: our kids now? I like how he said, but he's

1909
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,760
Speaker 1: about to say something that you had to tell one

1910
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: what I had to tell one woman? Because I went downstairs,

1911
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,640
Speaker 1: I thought, um it was I thought it was like

1912
01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: l L was kind enough to like have a chef

1913
01:46:50,600 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 1: make food for me, you know what I mean, because

1914
01:46:53,160 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: at one time gift like yo. So then I ended

1915
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,800
Speaker 1: up and don't even chef sugar for She's always on

1916
01:46:57,880 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: I g but like, oh yeah, she gets busy. But

1917
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:07,360
Speaker 1: you know when when I was expecting this delivery from her,

1918
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: So when concierge's called and was like, hey, there's someone

1919
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,200
Speaker 1: here for you, if that person was coming at the

1920
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:15,160
Speaker 1: same exact time, so I was like, oh, let me

1921
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 1: go down and get food. So I was hungry, you know,

1922
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:19,120
Speaker 1: I didn't had a real home cooked meal like that.

1923
01:47:19,200 --> 01:47:21,800
Speaker 1: So and I'm looking for a woman with food and

1924
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: all I saw I was like this woman with like

1925
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 1: two kids. And then I went over and I was like, hey,

1926
01:47:27,400 --> 01:47:29,360
Speaker 1: you here from me. She was like, yes, it's me.

1927
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:33,840
Speaker 1: Like during the pandemic, a lot of people are lonely,

1928
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:36,679
Speaker 1: and dudes used to pray on women, so they would

1929
01:47:36,720 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: create like a fake d Nice account and be like, oh,

1930
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,200
Speaker 1: this is my private this is d Nice, this is

1931
01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:43,800
Speaker 1: my private account. You know, I'm gonna talk to you

1932
01:47:43,880 --> 01:47:46,599
Speaker 1: from here. So it made them think that they were

1933
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:48,120
Speaker 1: talking to me, and I was like and then she

1934
01:47:48,200 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: had a kids, and I was like, man, you weren't

1935
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,400
Speaker 1: talking to me, you know, like unfortunately, you know, plus,

1936
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:56,400
Speaker 1: you shouldn't bring your girls out to just meet someone

1937
01:47:56,520 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 1: like that, you know, like it doesn't really you know,

1938
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:00,960
Speaker 1: it's not gonna be good for them. You know, it's not.

1939
01:48:01,439 --> 01:48:03,760
Speaker 1: It's very dangerous out here. But it used to be

1940
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:06,000
Speaker 1: a lot of things like that. You know. Like one woman, man,

1941
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:09,320
Speaker 1: she moved from Chicago, she left her husband. I'm not

1942
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:11,320
Speaker 1: making this up. I had never spoken to this woman ever,

1943
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,880
Speaker 1: not wanting not one conversation, and she moved to l A.

1944
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:19,360
Speaker 1: So I made the mistake. This is why I moved

1945
01:48:19,400 --> 01:48:22,400
Speaker 1: into my house because when I first moved to l A,

1946
01:48:23,240 --> 01:48:26,320
Speaker 1: I only had like a hundred and fifty thousand Instagram followers.

1947
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:29,320
Speaker 1: So you know wherever I took pictures didn't matter. You know.

1948
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 1: I remember sitting on my sofa and I lived across

1949
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 1: the street from the Stable Center, and I took this

1950
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:36,879
Speaker 1: lit picture. But if you had gone back through my Instagram,

1951
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:40,000
Speaker 1: you knew exactly where I was there. And I was like,

1952
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 1: oh my god. I wasn't expecting what happened to happen,

1953
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,240
Speaker 1: you know, to like pandemic kids. And then millions of

1954
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: followers now like I would have never done that, um

1955
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,000
Speaker 1: but this, you know, women, there were so many crazy

1956
01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:54,400
Speaker 1: stories man, like you know, one of my favorite ones was,

1957
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:58,519
Speaker 1: you know, this woman sent me a video because I

1958
01:48:58,640 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: used to when I would do like my c Q

1959
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 1: after dark and I was playing tain dirty and I

1960
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 1: dimmed the lights. I'm licking my lips and ship you

1961
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:13,360
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. People, I hold, I'm breathing back,

1962
01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm playing with the buttons. They started calling me spirit

1963
01:49:16,000 --> 01:49:19,800
Speaker 1: fingers and I'm like, I'm doing this and I'm talking yo.

1964
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:22,479
Speaker 1: I'm over here, like yo, I'm gonna play with it.

1965
01:49:22,479 --> 01:49:24,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let this breathe. I'm gonna play with it.

1966
01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:28,000
Speaker 1: Then I slow it down and stop the record. Boom boom.

1967
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:33,479
Speaker 1: Now pressing the past boom boom boom, two fingers faby

1968
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:36,360
Speaker 1: two figures like that was I was out of control,

1969
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:39,960
Speaker 1: bro I was entertaining myself ro a couple of beverages.

1970
01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:46,080
Speaker 1: In definitely need beverages. You know. This woman sent me

1971
01:49:46,160 --> 01:49:50,840
Speaker 1: a video. She was naked, she had the iPad, she

1972
01:49:50,960 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 1: was holding the iPad up with her with her knees.

1973
01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:58,360
Speaker 1: She had her phone, and then she was masterbating with

1974
01:49:58,600 --> 01:50:01,360
Speaker 1: me in the background when I'm like yo, and you

1975
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:03,560
Speaker 1: can hear me saying, yo, let me play with it.

1976
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,880
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, play with the baby, and she's

1977
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:08,840
Speaker 1: like master me And I was like, Yo, this is wild. Yeah,

1978
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:13,760
Speaker 1: this is wild. I'm so excited for I was like, no,

1979
01:50:13,880 --> 01:50:16,720
Speaker 1: I gotta chier with this man DJ for presidents. I

1980
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:26,320
Speaker 1: gotta chill every he said the R and B life

1981
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:29,120
Speaker 1: is crazy, man. Thank god. I couldn't sing, and then

1982
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,040
Speaker 1: I would probably be out of control. Listen you you

1983
01:50:31,360 --> 01:50:34,200
Speaker 1: you are fine the way you are. Yeah, yeah, I'm good.

1984
01:50:34,240 --> 01:50:37,439
Speaker 1: You pay to play the red car. Let's say we

1985
01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 1: had another segment for you. But no, no, no, no, no,

1986
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 1: no no no no, yeah, he's not getting out of outright. Wait,

1987
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 1: what's the segment so we have a segment. It's called

1988
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:51,920
Speaker 1: iin't saying no names because there's some names that he

1989
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,639
Speaker 1: cannot say, yeah, but there's some stories he can tell. Yeah.

1990
01:50:56,280 --> 01:50:58,320
Speaker 1: So the name of it, like I said, this is

1991
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:01,599
Speaker 1: the segment is called I no names, and the story

1992
01:51:01,680 --> 01:51:06,120
Speaker 1: can either be funny or fucked up or both. The

1993
01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:09,840
Speaker 1: only rule you don't saying no names. I can't say

1994
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 1: no names. I ain't saying no names. Damn. I don't

1995
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 1: know if I have one of those stories. Yes you do, Yes,

1996
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:22,560
Speaker 1: you do. I ain't saying no stories. I don't know

1997
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:27,600
Speaker 1: if I have Damn. No. I really don't even have

1998
01:51:27,680 --> 01:51:30,560
Speaker 1: to be from you don't gotta be from Club Quarantine. No, no,

1999
01:51:30,720 --> 01:51:33,759
Speaker 1: because you know what I mean, You've lived five different lives,

2000
01:51:33,880 --> 01:51:36,760
Speaker 1: my brother a lot of lives. Yeah, but I don't

2001
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 1: retain the information though. That's the problem. Though I'm being serious, like, yeah,

2002
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't keep it. It's like, I mean, there's somebody

2003
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: who I'm still trying to figure out if I slept

2004
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:51,320
Speaker 1: with her back of the day because I'm like, I'm like,

2005
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 1: did I I don't know because the way she showed

2006
01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:57,280
Speaker 1: me so much love and like sometimes you just gotta ask,

2007
01:51:58,840 --> 01:52:01,759
Speaker 1: just gotta ask him, Like I sometimes you just gotta

2008
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,000
Speaker 1: just left it alone. I was like, I'm gonna assume

2009
01:52:05,080 --> 01:52:07,600
Speaker 1: that we did. But you know, I want to know

2010
01:52:07,760 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 1: what I'm like, you know, yeah, I don't know, but

2011
01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:11,880
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't know, man, I don't

2012
01:52:11,880 --> 01:52:14,640
Speaker 1: know if my stories. You know, I've always been in relationships,

2013
01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:16,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? No, but no, no, no, no,

2014
01:52:16,479 --> 01:52:18,840
Speaker 1: no no no. The other thing, it's not it doesn't

2015
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:21,320
Speaker 1: have to be those type of stories. They can literally

2016
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 1: it could be a business story. It could be you

2017
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like even telling them earlier. Obviously

2018
01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:30,320
Speaker 1: it was earlier things and we'll we'll cut this part out.

2019
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,200
Speaker 1: But like even like when you talked about records you

2020
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:36,880
Speaker 1: produced or what those situations might have actually like the

2021
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,439
Speaker 1: full stories in a sense of how those situations might

2022
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: have went down with somebody stealing, you're publishing somebody, you

2023
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, I really don't have any

2024
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:47,080
Speaker 1: those stories, bro, Are you serious? I'm dead as serious.

2025
01:52:47,080 --> 01:52:50,200
Speaker 1: I would tell you if I had one, Like you know,

2026
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: I have one that that happened recently, but I can't

2027
01:52:53,880 --> 01:52:56,519
Speaker 1: say that because it's too recent, Like and there's a

2028
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: little bit of issue with that one. But other than

2029
01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: you can't be the only person to come on here

2030
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:02,280
Speaker 1: and not tell us a story, though you know you

2031
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: would be the only person who ever come on here

2032
01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 1: and didn't say I ain't saying no names. I'm the

2033
01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: only one that you know. I don't start the ship,

2034
01:53:14,960 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 1: which I wish I could, like, I mean, honestly can't

2035
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:20,400
Speaker 1: even think I'm like having like a fucking brain for it.

2036
01:53:20,520 --> 01:53:23,439
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, like I don't know a story

2037
01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:27,280
Speaker 1: like you know, publishing wise, I only worked with cares,

2038
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,439
Speaker 1: So I'm just using that as a but like, yeah,

2039
01:53:30,600 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 1: um man, you know I really don't have one, bro,

2040
01:53:38,280 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, I've had a good life though. Yeah,

2041
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking you in your eyes and I'm trying. Really,

2042
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 1: I really don't have one. I don't have anything that's

2043
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 1: like I think that's why people rock with me. Man

2044
01:53:52,960 --> 01:53:57,879
Speaker 1: dead as serious. So yeah, there's no no creeping stories.

2045
01:53:57,960 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 1: No I got over in some on, no business deals,

2046
01:54:01,439 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 1: none of that ship man, So I can't say any names.

2047
01:54:07,200 --> 01:54:13,360
Speaker 1: And d Nice is just our first ale Nice and

2048
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:21,519
Speaker 1: throw some tomatoes at n He gave all the good stories.

2049
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 1: He was another one where he just did see no

2050
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:29,439
Speaker 1: man you know what. Listen, I know it's somebody crazy,

2051
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:31,479
Speaker 1: that's Lily your DM. Man. You don't want to say that.

2052
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:36,240
Speaker 1: It's fine, it's us, you know, give us no no information.

2053
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 1: We'll walk away on top. It's fine. Uh. You know, listen,

2054
01:54:43,280 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 1: flowers to you, my brother, nothing but flowers, nothing but

2055
01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:55,920
Speaker 1: admiration man, and in salutes. And you know I I personally, um,

2056
01:54:57,400 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 1: thank you. You know you played my wedding and you

2057
01:55:01,720 --> 01:55:05,360
Speaker 1: know the circumstance going into that. You were actually a

2058
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:09,440
Speaker 1: savior in that space for me. So um from me

2059
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:13,680
Speaker 1: and my wife like like thank you, Like that was

2060
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: I never expected you to do that. I never expected

2061
01:55:18,240 --> 01:55:23,480
Speaker 1: to say I'll do it what I'll do it? Yeah,

2062
01:55:24,360 --> 01:55:25,720
Speaker 1: I remember when he told me. I was like wait, wait,

2063
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,320
Speaker 1: he said he's gonna do if you renewed your vials,

2064
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 1: do it then too. The nicest gonna be my DJ. BRO,

2065
01:55:31,520 --> 01:55:33,880
Speaker 1: I said, I don't. I didn't even know what to say.

2066
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:35,200
Speaker 1: I didn't even know how to thank you. I know

2067
01:55:35,240 --> 01:55:37,160
Speaker 1: how to pay I didn't know what to do. But

2068
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: you know just know that, um that that meant. That

2069
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:44,040
Speaker 1: meant everything to me, Bro and everything. So I appreciate it.

2070
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:49,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for that and continue man, continue to keep um,

2071
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 1: continue to keep love first, because um, you're in a

2072
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 1: you're in a very awesome space to where you're able

2073
01:55:57,720 --> 01:56:01,960
Speaker 1: to spread that all over the world. And if if

2074
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:05,920
Speaker 1: anything is going to change the world or the dynamic,

2075
01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:10,640
Speaker 1: the negative dynamic that seems to be plaguing everything social

2076
01:56:10,720 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 1: and everything of all things, it's gonna be love to change.

2077
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:16,400
Speaker 1: And it's more it's more likely going to be a

2078
01:56:16,480 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 1: song and you're probably gonna play I like that And

2079
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:24,880
Speaker 1: before before we say goodbye, UM, I do have a

2080
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 1: story that I'll tell because this is actually an important story.

2081
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:33,200
Speaker 1: So and I and I won't say any names. When

2082
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 1: I when I was on the scene, like really just

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Speaker 1: starting to bubble hard in New York, a person that

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Speaker 1: I know was playing like a huge, huge event for

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Speaker 1: the Oscars, like huge and you know, and uh, and

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Speaker 1: he was extremely arrogant, but we were cool. But when

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Speaker 1: he got that gig, he was like, I was like, man,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna play that? And I say, yo, one day,

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Speaker 1: I want to play that. And he said You'll never

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Speaker 1: laid hmm, like literally said that. And then you fast

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Speaker 1: forward and I'm not gonna tell you which Oscar party,

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Speaker 1: but it was one of the I played four of them.

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Speaker 1: This last oscars, I played the Oscars. I played the

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Speaker 1: Governor's Paul, and played Vanity Fair and I played the

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Speaker 1: guy Siri Madonna party. And that guy was my opening

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Speaker 1: act at the very party. You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: like people, Yeah, you gotta be nice to people. You

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Speaker 1: gotta be nice to people, you know, like and I

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Speaker 1: did get a kick out of that, like of now,

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Speaker 1: you guys have to honor my ride of request, even

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Speaker 1: though I could have, you know, removed a couple of things.

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Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, no, no, because I

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Speaker 1: remember that conversation like a decade ago and then here

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Speaker 1: we are and I was like, oh, I made it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I won't say any names. So that's my story.

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Speaker 1: So you didn't take the l you didn't take the

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Speaker 1: Eloh folk pockets full and that's what a little baby,

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Speaker 1: because that's what all of the pockets, yeah, is full,

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen. Um man I the brother man just

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Speaker 1: just an amazing brother, beautiful brother man um brother we've

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Speaker 1: all been rooting for and you're getting who all deserved. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get I am taking. I'm Jay Valentine and this

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