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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Cutting the Distance podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your guest host Dirk Durham. I'm sitting here in Jason's

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Speaker 1: chair as he's an elk camp and getting ready for

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Speaker 1: the big opener. You know, for most of us hunters,

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Speaker 1: successful wolf hunting remains a big mystery. Wolves are incredibly

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Speaker 1: intelligent and since the first wolf hunting season, they have

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Speaker 1: adapted to avoiding humans. Today, we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: Colin wolves with a good friend of mine who I

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Speaker 1: admire a lot, my buddy, Tom Schneider. Thanks for coming

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Speaker 1: on today. Tom, Hey, thank you for having me. I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: This is a topic I love talking about absolutely. Tom

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Speaker 1: and his family are wildly successful with her UM Hunting

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel where they feature elk hunts, deer hunts, moose hunts,

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Speaker 1: cariboo hunts, bear hunts, and wolf hunts. Thomas quite a

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Speaker 1: knack for calling animals of all kinds, including wolves. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on the show. And I'm just uh, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to pick your brain on calling wolves today

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Speaker 1: and uh, maybe a little bit of some tips and

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Speaker 1: tactics and and uh and whatnot a calling wolves, um,

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Speaker 1: Since you're one of the only guys that I that

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Speaker 1: I hear about this like successfully um hunting and calling

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Speaker 1: wolves in Idaho. Mm hmmm, being told that too, just

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Speaker 1: like I'm consistently being told that I'm consistent. I guess

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Speaker 1: you can say, um, every single year, I'm finding them

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Speaker 1: and still killing them. So perfect, perfect. You must have

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Speaker 1: Can you give us a little background about where you're from?

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Speaker 1: And I am how the wolves have kind of impacted

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Speaker 1: the landscape where you're from. Yeah, so we live in

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Speaker 1: a very timbered side of Idaho, on the more of

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Speaker 1: I've I've always been a big time shed hunter since

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Speaker 1: and that's one thing that I've done, you know, pretty

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Speaker 1: get got got our whole family in the hunting, all

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Speaker 1: my siblings and so we are very active in the outdoors,

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Speaker 1: our entire family. And what we decided to do when

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Speaker 1: a lot of our Travis, my older brother, wanted to

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Speaker 1: start a hunting company and he's like, man, we have

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Speaker 1: some pretty neat experiences that we'd like to share with people,

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Speaker 1: So UM a lot of trial and error and we

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Speaker 1: eventually UM started figuring out how to film our own hunts.

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Speaker 1: Showing people online. YouTube has been our best success out

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Speaker 1: of anything we've we've had hunting. Um, we've had hunting

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Speaker 1: videos on Sportsman Channel and other places, but anybody that's

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Speaker 1: I love your videos, we'd asked them where are you

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Speaker 1: YouTube was our niche and it's really worked out for us.

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Speaker 1: And so UM it's a passion that I love, my

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Let's chef gears here. Um, we've got some

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Speaker 1: listening to questions people. Um, the guys, if you have

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Speaker 1: questions that you want to be have read on Cutting

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Speaker 1: I tell you the email, but since I'm sitting in

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Speaker 1: for Jason, I can't quite remember it. But if you're

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Speaker 1: that email. But anyway, first question is I want to

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Speaker 1: very good organization to get involved with. And you don't

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Speaker 1: to be involved. It's good to just be a member

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Speaker 1: of it UM. And then you get the newsletters, you

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Speaker 1: get updated for wolf hunting, you know, wolf hunting tips um.

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Speaker 1: And on top of that, if you are a member

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Speaker 1: of that foundation, you can get reimbursed for your fuel

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Speaker 1: expenses and another hunting expenses and you kill a wolf

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Speaker 1: Um snow in the February. Sorry, but I am backtracking

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Speaker 1: in October two. Um the heat. Heat really puts wolves

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Speaker 1: and so I had it like I go in there

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00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: and hunt, and then I have to back out for

427
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: a couple of days, and you know, if I pushed

428
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: too hard to would leave the canyon and so, but

429
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: they really liked it in there. So I just I

430
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,600
Speaker 1: knew that if I just was patient of just backed out.

431
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: Any time I felt like I was giving him too

432
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: much pressure, I back out and then moved back in later.

433
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: Um So, anyways, my brother borrowed like that window. I didn't.

434
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,080
Speaker 1: It wasn't unting um. Travis was borrowing that particular a

435
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,199
Speaker 1: gun shooting thousand yard plates. I was like, hey, can

436
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: I borrow it? I need that for wolf funds because

437
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: I just got my long range gun and I headed

438
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: it haven't dialed in yet, and so it was like,

439
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, here you go. You can use the

440
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: three PRC. So I'm like, sweet, I take it in

441
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 1: there and I have a eye go in there and

442
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm using the um uh, I guess we'll talk about later.

443
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: But the prototype the wolf howler and I move around

444
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: the corner and I have a wolf standing on a

445
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: log at a hundreds at seventy six yards and I

446
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: just dropped right to my belly and I was just like, man, like,

447
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: the wolf is really calm. I can tell he's not

448
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: running off. He's just standing on the log and I'm like, man,

449
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: I gotta make this shot count, like I've been really

450
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: hunting this pack hard. And I shoot and he just

451
00:25:54,600 --> 00:26:00,080
Speaker 1: trots off like what moral And and as I I

452
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: was scratching my head, I just felt my face just

453
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: got wet. I'm like, that's bad news. And I scored myself.

454
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was just a bloody mess. I'm like

455
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: trying to see where the wolf's running. I'm trying to

456
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: white blood out of my eyes. So like, this is

457
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: so rookie, Like why am I? Did this happened to me?

458
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: I feel like such a rookie right now. Um. But

459
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 1: the reason why I scored myself is I had my

460
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: pack on and it was just plump full of year

461
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: and it was pushing on my head when I was

462
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: prone positioned to shoot the wolf, and I was like

463
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: not even thinking of it, like oh yeah, like I

464
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 1: was pushing my head forward, but no big deal. So

465
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,199
Speaker 1: that's why I scoped myself. But I still felt like, oh, man,

466
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: I was a solid rest by that wolf tip over.

467
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 1: When I looked at my scope and the and the

468
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: the gun was still dialed up to a thousand yards,

469
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: I dialed down me. I dialed it down zero to

470
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,119
Speaker 1: and I just heard the click and I just cried. Oh.

471
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, and I knew you trying. Man.

472
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 1: I knew it was my fault too. So I mean,

473
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: our family is all about like, when you're done shooting

474
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: a gun, make sure to turn the scope down, you know,

475
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: in the amoy and then it's just like but at

476
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: the same time, usually before you leave the truck, you

477
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: check that stuff too, you know, make sure everything's down.

478
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: So I could blame my brother all I want, but

479
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: yet I should have checked before I left the pick up,

480
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean again to rocking mistakes at once,

481
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: and it was just painful to see that on the wolf.

482
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: But um, but then just then I went on that

483
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: ram hunt that she punt with a brother in law

484
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: and Southern Idaho killed a great ram. Then I came

485
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: back and um, and then killed that white wolf in

486
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: the same area. So that was told a little redemption there. Yeah, yeah,

487
00:27:53,840 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 1: Well what a heck of a season. Oh man. So

488
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: contrast from back in the day when there was a

489
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: lot of game that was plentiful where you live versus now,

490
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: is have the wolves put that much of a dent

491
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: in the population of ungulates? Yeah? And it really hasn't.

492
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: It actually kind of started along the Montana side of

493
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: the Idaho border. That was one of the places I

494
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: saw what really happened first. Now I want to also

495
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: give just a slight background of other predators we have

496
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: to We have mountain lions, we have grizzly bears, black

497
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: black bears. We have a lot of predators that run

498
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: our landscape. And um, the image mountain lions yet yeah

499
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: I think I did. Yeah, yeah, mountain lions too. Um.

500
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't see like extreme impacts like you would

501
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: on a like a wolf pack would do. You know,

502
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: you would see the dear aplation dip a little bit.

503
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: And our family was always taught about predator matchments, so

504
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: we were always active with that. But the wolves were

505
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: like next level when it came to when they moved

506
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 1: into an area. You see, you it was hard not

507
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: to see the impact they made. Um, And it really

508
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: started for me. It was back in true thousand like

509
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven is when I really started to see

510
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: a huge impact with both numbers. Um in one of

511
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: a spot that I would consider like a childhood favorite

512
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: where I've been hunting this this area for years. There's

513
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: the same elk WLOI oak, always used the same trail systems.

514
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: It's just you know, there's a lot of timor there's

515
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: a lot of brush, so it can be difficult to

516
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: hunt elk. But our families hunted that country our whole life,

517
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: and so um in some way it felt like a

518
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: routine for us every single year. You know, this is

519
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: where the elk are the earliest part of the year,

520
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: mid mid season, late season, and then if you never

521
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: had a chance to see that big bowl, you you

522
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: you pick up the sheds, you know, And I think

523
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: that's what's really need about elk hunting, or just hunting

524
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: any animals with antlers in general, is just the mystery

525
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: when you find that elk shed or that mule deer,

526
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: that monster mule there bug man like you live on

527
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: this mountain? Where do you live? And that was what

528
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: always drove me to hunt the Timber country, was that

529
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: mystery animal that nobody else saw you know, we're we're

530
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean there was elk and mule deer that would

531
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: die of old age and that was special to us

532
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 1: in some way, where you'd have these old deer that

533
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: would live on the mountain with us. Um. Now, did

534
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 1: we ever have an overpopulation problem with elk, mule deer

535
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: or moose. No, we never did. We have a lot

536
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: of vegetation for them to eat, and we have other

537
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: We have predators like I mentioned, mountain lions, grizzlies, black bears, coyotes.

538
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: We got a lot of predators up here, and so

539
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: we don't have an issue with have in a lack

540
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: of predation. Um. But anyways, when the wolves first came in,

541
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: it was back two thousand eleven and I was actually

542
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: taking my sister at that time, Tanna was in college,

543
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: and she needed a white tail to fill her freezer. Like, well,

544
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: here's a good spot where I've been seeing multiple white tails.

545
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,239
Speaker 1: And I took her in there and the wolves were

546
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: howling in their heart, and so I took her in

547
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: there and I had the privilege to shoot my first wolf.

548
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: That was the first season they ever opened wolf Hunt Team. Um.

549
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: It was that two thousand eleven and I shot my

550
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: shot wolf the first day I went in there and

551
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: and I called it in. It was pretty easy, just

552
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: because they've never had hunting pressure before. But then that

553
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: was one of the first aha moments when I realized

554
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: how quick they wise up two calls and in that

555
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: same pack. I had them how multiple times in several

556
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 1: different occasions, and I was never able to get another

557
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: shot on a wolf um. So it was that was

558
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: just like it really made scratch my head. I'm like,

559
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: how are you supposed to manage this predator if I

560
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: don't know how to kill him? And but that area

561
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: is sad to say, but that area no joke, not

562
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm not even exaggerating. Two years later, you could not

563
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: find a milk track in there. Two years later after

564
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: the wolf pack moved in there, and it and I'm

565
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: not trying to exaggerate what I what I witnessed, but

566
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I felt like it was a plague where every drainage

567
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: that a wolf pack would move in, the wildlife would

568
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: move out, and it just kept happening. It's just like,

569
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: why does this keep happening? And you know you have

570
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: to turn a blind eye to not recognize it. I mean,

571
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: but we go in the wintering range. Like I said,

572
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: I love shed hunting. You go on these wintering ranges

573
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: and you're finding carcasses of animals that can't make it.

574
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: You know, even what they would say, the sick in

575
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: the week. I mean, these are mature elk that aren't

576
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: past their prime. But when you get that deep snow

577
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: that's chest high in the in the months of February March,

578
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 1: when of snow you got that hard snowpack, the wolves

579
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: float right on top of the snow. And according to

580
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: our wildli biologists locally here, they say that's when most

581
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: of the damage is done. Um, any shed hunter out

582
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: there knows what I mean by like when at the

583
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: very like around the time you're picking up sheds, the

584
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: animals are so exhausted that they, you know, that same

585
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 1: bowl that would elude you all archery season, all of

586
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: a sudden he's standing there staring at you. And it's

587
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: not because he's stupid, he's exhausted. He's he's trying to

588
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: make it through the last part of winter. I don't know,

589
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: have you experienced that at all? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I've

590
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: seen the same thing. You know, that that same disappearance

591
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: of game. You know, I've had um it's the same

592
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: exact story. And I had a different part of Idoh

593
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: than you. And you know, at one time we had

594
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: plentiful game in different areas, and now um are when

595
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: we start seeing wolves and and uh in my part

596
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: of the country, and when they started seeing a decline

597
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: of animals was quite a bit earlier than what you

598
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: guys had saw. Where I where I was hunting, was

599
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: where they actually the first wolves in Idaho were planted,

600
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: and so we we saw the effects a lot earlier.

601
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: And some of the areas they whether that whether they

602
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: had eaten ailk or driven them out so hard that

603
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: to this day, I mean I first started seeing the

604
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: first effects and probably two thousand four, two thousand five,

605
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: And to this day there's some drainages that still don't

606
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,880
Speaker 1: have any elk tracks. And I go always go back

607
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: because I love the country. You know, there's always the

608
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: romanticism to go back to the places you once loved

609
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 1: and and still walk in those places and hunt help.

610
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: But I go back to this this last summer and

611
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: did a lot of scouting and there's still not a

612
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: single elk track in those places, and um, it's crazy,

613
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: and a lot of it has. You know, the habitat

614
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: has improved. We've we've had a lot of burns um

615
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: since the wolves have been there, you know. And there's

616
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: been a lot of proponent proponents of wolves and they're like, well,

617
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: you know it's habitat related. But ge whiz. I mean,

618
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 1: we've got we've got a lot of fantastic habitat now.

619
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: And still it's almost like they they they prune back

620
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: the population elk past having any seed to replenish these

621
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: some of these places. So yeah, it's going to take

622
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: a long long time for it to come back. Yeah. Yeah,

623
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: And I'm hopeful, you know, with the right kind of

624
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: predator management, you know, aggressive predator management. You know that

625
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: we're never gonna just kill off wolves in Idaho. Um.

626
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: I don't think there'd be any way to do it

627
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: at this point. Um. But so, but with a pretty

628
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: aggressive predator management system, maybe we can keep the numbers

629
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: low enough to where the elcander have a chance and

630
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: the moves too. So yeah, well no, and that we're

631
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: already seen it too where we live. Um. Thankfully, we

632
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: have a very dedicated hunters and trappers in our area,

633
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: mostly trappers, and I think out of our area we

634
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: probably have. I'm gonna say yeah, I would say we

635
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: have some of the best trappers in Idaho just right

636
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: where we live. If you actually look at the unit

637
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: I live in, we have the highest wolf harvest and

638
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: I know that the majority of it is from three trappers.

639
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: And and so they are really putting a smack down

640
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: to the point one. And again I'm not going to

641
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: stay any names because some of these guys they like

642
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: staying in the downlow. Um. But some of these guys

643
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: are so good they can trap out an entire pack

644
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: in a long time. And I am finally, to this day,

645
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 1: finally starting to see a rebound in our elchemy ole deer.

646
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: Now are the wolves gone. No, There's always one or

647
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: two wolves that that move in and they try to

648
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: start a new pack, and it just it pretty much

649
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: just keeps the trappers occupied, some of them or against

650
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: the point we're like, man, I I actually kind of

651
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: like I think it's like any hunting where you start

652
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: getting addicted to specific species you're hunting or trapping, you

653
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of start wanting more. And I think a lot

654
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: of trappers are worried to say that. But some trappers

655
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: I know they've got they've they've learned to enjoy wolf

656
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: trapping so much that they all sometimes they slip up

657
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: and say kind of would like to have more wolves.

658
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,479
Speaker 1: Like I was like, well, let's hold off for a bit.

659
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: How is our moves doing, how's our elk doing? How

660
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: how is our deer doing? Okay, yeah, you're right, they're

661
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: not that good right now. It's like, yeah, we need

662
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: to stay on it. So um but yeah, I and

663
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 1: here's the thing too, I can't tell you how many

664
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: times I, as an elk hunter, have been ambushed by

665
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: wolf pack multiple times, multiple times. Um. One time it

666
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: was just the perfect timing where I I'm stuck three

667
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: wolves with my oh wow. And and that was again.

668
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: I was still through the learning curve at that time.

669
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I was just trying to fill my elk tag and

670
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: I went eighteen days without getting an oak bugle, and

671
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: I just pounded the mountains one mountain drain you know,

672
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: one drainage after another, and there was just one particular

673
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 1: area where there was just a like it just seemed

674
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: to hold big bulls, like the quality was good. You know,

675
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: there was a really popular um kicker genetics where you'd

676
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: get a six by six but then you get kickers

677
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: out of the side, which you make it a seven.

678
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: And that area had that type of genetics. So it

679
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: was always an area that drawed me, you know there

680
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: and um I went in there in hopes to get

681
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: an oak view, and I got into some elk tracks,

682
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: but nothing was talking. That's another thing you learned it

683
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: with el because if there is elk inneria with wolves,

684
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 1: they tend to stay quiet a little bit longer because

685
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: they know when they give away their location, the wolf

686
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:03,959
Speaker 1: pack moves in. Oh, we mean me being just trying

687
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: to find an Elk. I'm I'm Bugle and I'm Kyle calling.

688
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get an Elk to answer. Well, guess

689
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: what happened? The whole wolf pack surrounds me, and I

690
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: have one trotten at me, right at right towards me,

691
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: and I just pulled back my bow. By the time

692
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: I got an arrow in its chest, it was it

693
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: was just a couple of steps away. It was really close,

694
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: and he took off. He took a couple of leaps,

695
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 1: tipped over and I on. At that moment, I was

696
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: in so such thick brush that I thought that was

697
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: the only wolf. And then after I see that wolf

698
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: tip over. The whole pack came out looking at it

699
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: and just trying to figure out what's going on. The

700
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: wolf pack was just as compute as as I was,

701
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: but I just knew as another opportunity. So I knocked

702
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: another arrow, pulled back, and I stick another wolf and

703
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: it died, I mean out one died really quick. It

704
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: yelled and just tipped over. I was like, holy crap,

705
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: because I can't believe this is really half and and uh.

706
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: I knocked a third arrow, and at that point the

707
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: wolves are really confused and they balanced. I saw two

708
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: other wolves. One disappeared. There's another one right there close

709
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: to me, still still about twenty yards and I stuck

710
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: it and it ran in the brush too. Um. So

711
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: the unfortunate thing is the third one I was not

712
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: able to find. But I stuck him good and I

713
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: saw the blood worn out, so I mean it was

714
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: a good shot. He ran in the brush somewhere and

715
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: died in some hole. But it was kind of raining too,

716
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: and it was really hard to follow that blood trail. Um,

717
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: but I was I did successfully pull two out of

718
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: the three that I stuck out of the woods there. Um,

719
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: but that was kind of a nerve wracking experience in itself.

720
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: But I think, I mean, honestly, that's what really got

721
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 1: me in the wolf hunting. I just started. I think,

722
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: as most people feel, they just just got so sick

723
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: and tired of dealing with this. You know. I moved

724
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: back to my hometown because I loved the areas so much.

725
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: I love the mountains, I love the moose. We pull

726
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: some incredible moose out of here if like one of

727
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: our friends drew a tag or one of a family member,

728
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: we pull some great bulls out of here. Um sheds.

729
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I can even talk about how many

730
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: moose shes that we still have. We still have the

731
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: proofs in the pudding. Um. The only moosees we've kept

732
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: are all the ones under bone that are over Boone

733
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: and Crockett, and man, we have a pile of Boone

734
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: and Crockett bull moose from just our area. UM. So

735
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: really there was a lot of moose. Let's just say

736
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: they're actually one of the first to go um in

737
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: my opinion, just because they're a little bit more of

738
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: a they're not as adaptable as elk and other animals.

739
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: So I feel like the moose were the first to

740
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: go when the wolves came through. Um, but anyways, yeah,

741
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: it just it took that much. It just just hunting meal.

742
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: They're hunting elk and just getting no results anymore like

743
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: I used to. And I was just I felt like

744
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I was always on the tail of a wolf pack

745
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 1: and find me I'm just like enough enough how to

746
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: do something about something. And I felt like any wolf hunter,

747
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: really skilled wolf trapper that I know right now, they

748
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: were once really skilled elk hunters. It's just everybody that

749
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 1: has that were anybody that I know that's so passionate

750
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: about wolf or that they were so passionate about olk hunting.

751
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 1: They've just all turned into being really good wolf hunters,

752
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 1: just just out of spite of what's happened, you know.

753
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 1: I think I think we all want to bring back

754
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: what we used to have. And and some people say,

755
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 1: is it well, is it that we have an extra

756
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: amount of hunters? No, I actually think we have less

757
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: hunters now than I remember as a kid. Um, I

758
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: think so. And I think the reality is there's it's

759
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: not good hunting here. Most of the locals that I

760
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: know that are cutters now don't hunt here. They travel.

761
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: What I see, like I bumped in two guys the

762
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: other day from Texas. I felt bad for him. I

763
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: felt bad. He's just like he's putting on miles and

764
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 1: he's in a he's in a wolf hub. I'm telling you, like,

765
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: like he is, if I have an elk tag here,

766
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: that's the last place I would go. And he has

767
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: pounded that mountain and he's like, man, I'm going to

768
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: find an elk. I'm like, oh boy, you you you

769
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: can have this mount to yourself. My friend. I was like,

770
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 1: you're not out cut back here, Like no, I'll both

771
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 1: find back here. That If that gives you a hint, yeah, yeah.

772
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: But anyways, it's just I'm starting to see and I

773
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: guess we could talk a little bit more about this,

774
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: but I am starting to see a little bit of

775
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: a rebound come back. Yeah, so that's great. Yeah. Um,

776
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: now you've told me before, um about calling wolves. Mhmm.

777
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 1: You had to kind of get a little bit tricky,

778
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: had to try to improvise and try new methods, new sounds,

779
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 1: new new things to call in wolves instead of you know,

780
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: it's been my experience trying to call wolves. I'm gonna

781
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: let's face it, I'm a major novice at it. Um.

782
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: Every time I'm elk hunting and I hear wolves howling, Uh,

783
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: I start howling back, and and I haven't howl anny

784
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: in yet. They'll they'll howl till the cows come home.

785
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: But and then I'll kind of use some like maybe

786
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: some calf and distress type sounds, but I just never

787
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: have had any close a distance. Um, what made you

788
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: kind of decide to to mix things up and try

789
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: some different sounds until you've kind of figured out what

790
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: wolves like. Well, A lot of it is just I

791
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: was really passionate about it. I'm a sucky trapper, and

792
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: so I'm like, Okay, all I have is to be like,

793
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm a really good hunter, but I'm a sucky trapper,

794
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I feel like the only way I

795
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: can benefit to people or to to this area is

796
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: to to hunt wolves, and to hunt them when the

797
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: trapping season is not around, because the trapping season is

798
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: very small, it's very short window, and I feel like

799
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: I can do a lot of good if I can

800
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: figure it out. Um. A lot of it was talking

801
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 1: to some Canadians that have hunting wolves in the past,

802
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: but also, surprisingly enough, a lot of what I learned

803
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: about hunting wolves is is the same as I would

804
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: hunt a herd bull olk. Um. There's just some things

805
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: like you know, if you're from a distance and you're

806
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 1: calling in a herd bull, sometimes he's gonna run from you.

807
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: Sometimes he's not really going to acknowledge you. He he

808
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: deems you as a threat in some way that you're

809
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: trying to take his cows. But if you can get

810
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 1: in that window of his territory where you're just close

811
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: and he feels like he can't run anymore, he comes in. Um.

812
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: That was one of the first things that I did

813
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: that was really helpful with wolves, is you get him howling.

814
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, the one thing you always have to think about,

815
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: and the one thing I always had to think about

816
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: is I'm not just running calls aimlessly. I'm trying to

817
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: put myself in a scenario and put myself in their head.

818
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: I know, I know this sounds funny to say, like

819
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: or cliche like be like the wolf, you know, but

820
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: you literally are. You're trying to create a scenario for

821
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: that wolf. I think it's very ineffective if you had

822
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,760
Speaker 1: an electronic call and you have wolves and you try

823
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 1: to run a dying moose and it's like, oh, that's

824
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: not working. Let's run a dying deer. But that's not working.

825
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: Let's run a dying elk. That's not working. Let's run

826
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 1: a dyeing rabbit. By then you just wised up that

827
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: wolf pack so much you're never gonna have a right right.

828
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: So those are natural sounds of nature. Like all of

829
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: those one after another in the same little spot. Yeah,

830
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: it's like hunt. So yeah, there's a there's a dying faun,

831
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: a dying elk, there's a wolf hellowing, all in the

832
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: same spot. How weird is that? Like wolves kick that

833
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: stuff up really quick. They know, like you said, that's

834
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 1: not what happens in nature. You have to make things

835
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: natural for them. Um. One of the first things I

836
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: tell people is like, when people ask, well, what calls

837
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: you use, I'm like, for prejator calls, Well, I asked them, like, well,

838
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: what animals do the wolves eat in your area? You

839
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: don't want to use the dyeing moose if there's no

840
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: moose in the area, right, You know what I mean? Like,

841
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: you try to customize your calls to the area. That's

842
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: one of the first things that I've taught myself as

843
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 1: a customize two. When it comes to calling, you've got

844
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: to remember that wolves don't like other wolves that are

845
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: that are endangered to the area. Wolves are always in

846
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: war with wolves. The one thing that the environment mentalists

847
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: are right about is wolves are very similar to people.

848
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: That's true, and that's from you know, they have the

849
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 1: family dynamic, but all so they're at war with each other.

850
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: It's almost like people like back in the day with

851
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: people in villages and wolves are trying to take other

852
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 1: other wolves territories. These things happen all the time. So

853
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: when you're howling wolves, a lot of the howling you're

854
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: getting back is warning house they get out of our territory,

855
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: this is our territory. But they're too afraid to come

856
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: in because they know that if they come in too close,

857
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: they're going to start a war with another wolf pack.

858
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: So they're kind of stand offish. And so that's probably

859
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that most people get is they held

860
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: back and the wolves don't come out. Every so often

861
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: you get a dummy that will walk out and get shot.

862
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: But usually if you're howling from a distance, they don't

863
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 1: just come running in wagging their tails that they'll they'll

864
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: usually you know, you can set up in a wide

865
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 1: open spot you're calling the wolf pack, and they will

866
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: hold up right at timberline and never poke their head out,

867
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: and they will howl and it'll sound like there's a

868
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: hundred of them, But you know they're actually doing that

869
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 1: on purpose or trying to make themselves sound like even

870
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: if there's three or four dogs in the pack, they're

871
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: going to try to make themselves sound like there is

872
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: over a dozen. They're trying to be as aggressive as

873
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: they can. They're trying to chase you out, say look,

874
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: we're a big pack, get out of our territory. Move on.

875
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: And so a lot of people when they're howling, they

876
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: really don't know what the vocals me either, you know,

877
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: like you don't know like if you hear a wolf healing,

878
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: you gotta know what is that wolf saying? Is he

879
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: is he warning me? Is he warning the pack? Or

880
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: is he saying? Hey, how you doing? You know there's

881
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 1: there's that like friendly how where it's like it's not aggressive,

882
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: it's not a warning how it's just saying hey, as

883
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: it going, And you've got to know what the hells

884
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: are to know what you need to do next, And

885
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,839
Speaker 1: and so a lot of what my success came through

886
00:49:54,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: is understanding the dynamic of a wolf pack and understanding um,

887
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: the sounds and what they need. Because if I hear

888
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: a warranty, how then I know I need to be

889
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more aggressive. I need to get in there.

890
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: In a lot of cases, like I was saying with

891
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: the herd bowl, I move in quiet and I just

892
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: sneak in, stop howling, getting as close as I can,

893
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: and then start barking and yipping right in their territory

894
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: and sometimes you can get them to come in. Also,

895
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: it's even nice to do that with a predator call um,

896
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: where you get really close you know you have so

897
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: they can't put that tune two together where if you

898
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 1: how let's say you got located yards away right, Um,

899
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: you've got on halling so you you know their location,

900
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: know where they're at. You move in there. You're getting

901
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 1: close to the points where you do feel really uncomfortable,

902
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: where you're like, man, you you can feel it, you

903
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You feel that you're getting close

904
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: to the pack. Um, stop run a couple of little

905
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: prayer of calls. Less calling the better, Like if it's

906
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: a dying rabbit or if it's a fun running for

907
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: thirty seconds and just stop and just stay still if

908
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: they're Sometimes you have wolves that are you have you

909
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: have the pack, but then you have wolves on the

910
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: outside of the pack that aren't howling. And sometimes if

911
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: you try to get yourself too close, you're gonna bump wolves.

912
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they're afraid, they're just they may not know

913
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: what you are and they may be a little confused. Um,

914
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: But you just want to try to play it safe.

915
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: If you try to get as close as you can,

916
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: set up, try to do a little prayer of call

917
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, stop nothing, try to move in a little

918
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: bit closer and and like worst case scenario if you

919
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: if you move in, you're just really scratching your head

920
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: and you don't know where that wolf pack is. Try

921
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: to throw one really quick how and try to get

922
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 1: them to walk and again see where they moved to.

923
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: But but in a lot of cases when when I

924
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: did that, they would just come running in like it

925
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 1: was a dinner bell, and it was almost like you

926
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:17,399
Speaker 1: didn't have time to grab the gun off the tree.

927
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 1: You set the gun on the side, you run a

928
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: payer of call for thirty seconds. The majority of the

929
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: wolves I have killed, like after I do my last call,

930
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: within seconds, not minutes. If a wolf is ready to

931
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: come into your call, you don't have to wait long

932
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: for it. The longest it took for wolves to ever

933
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: come into my call was six minutes. That was a

934
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: very long time for me, and I almost got up

935
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: and left because I had one wolf already spot at

936
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: me when I moved in. I was I tried, like

937
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: I was telling you this whole scenario moving in, I

938
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: moved in, I bumped the wolf alreadio was like crap,

939
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: and the pack was still helding another um. I'd like

940
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 1: to say it was about a quarter mile and I

941
00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: was like you like the same good um. But it's

942
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: still it took them six minutes to get to me,

943
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: and but they're at a very low trot when they

944
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: came in. But besides that, most wolves, it's just they

945
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: come in running fast, your dinner bell when you when

946
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: you do the right calls that they want to hear,

947
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: especially a dying animals. I mean, it's it's no brainer

948
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: for them. Why would they be hesitant unless they've been

949
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 1: shot at before with those calls? Okay, Um. The one

950
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: thing that I always tell people is there's a lot

951
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: of wolves that aren't wised up, and this, this, and

952
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: that technique is very effective, and just moving in, get

953
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,879
Speaker 1: as close as you can and prayer call the thing

954
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: is without the how though, you'll never know their location.

955
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: It's not like kyo hunting where you can sit yourself

956
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: out in a desert and just expect to run a

957
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 1: prayer to call, inspect a kyo to show up. Wolves

958
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: aren't like that. There's not wolves. There could be a

959
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: lot of wolves in an area, but it doesn't mean

960
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: they're just scattered among the landscape. They're all together in

961
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: a group and you can I'd say, um, similar our

962
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: wolves are their territories about fifteen by fifteen square miles

963
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: or sometimes even twenty square miles or sorry, not square mole,

964
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: but like twenty twenty miles, which would be like I'm

965
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: not doing the math right right now in my head,

966
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 1: but I mean over two hundred square miles and then

967
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: making sense. Um, so a territory is really big for

968
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,240
Speaker 1: a wolf pack. And so I say that the biggest

969
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: challenge you're going to face while trying to find wolves

970
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: is finding them period. The final wolf pack is your

971
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 1: biggest challenge. I mean twelve dogs can do a lot

972
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: of damage to an area. So in two hundred square

973
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: miles even three hundred square miles, a dozen wolves can

974
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: really mills mess up in milk population in there. Um.

975
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 1: So I think the reason why there's not as many

976
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: wolf unders as there is other hunters because it is

977
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: so challenging. You really have to put an extra for

978
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: effort to find a wolf pack and the pursue and

979
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: kill one. But I'll tell you this, it is the

980
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: biggest high you'll ever get take in the woods. It's

981
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: there's nothing like it. I literally, I'm telling you right

982
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: now there that I had an elk tag in my

983
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: area this year, and the first week of archery elk season,

984
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: I chose the wolf hunt. Wow, that's how addicted I

985
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: am to it. It's like, why am I not elk hunting?

986
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: And then when I killed that white wolf, I was like,

987
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:50,439
Speaker 1: all right, let's get back into elk hunting. I tried

988
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: a couple of days and I was like, you know what,

989
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: I'm just not getting into it. I want to go

990
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: back wolf And I was like, how about this. I

991
00:55:56,200 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: will elk hunt in an area where there's wolves. That way,

992
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: if an elk doesn't come in. A wolf comes in,

993
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,399
Speaker 1: you know. And that's when I killed that that young

994
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: six point. I went in there and I bumped in

995
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: the wolf tracks, and I actually, I think, because wolves

996
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 1: are on my mind, I actually thought it was a

997
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: wolf coming running in because it came in quiet. Um.

998
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: I let off a bugle, um, phelps helps bugle the renegade, right,

999
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: the big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, the renegade.

1000
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: Just one bugle a mile from the pickup, and I

1001
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: heard the woods come alive and I was literally looking

1002
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: at a wolf track when I bugled. I was like,

1003
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: I thought it was a wolf pack, and um, that's

1004
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: six point and a and another young bull came out

1005
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: on the gated road and was staring at me, and

1006
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is too easy. Knocked a narrow.

1007
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: As I knocked my arrow, he turned broadside for me. Holy.

1008
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, okay, this is too easy. I

1009
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: gave him one, and yeah he didn't he didn't go far.

1010
00:57:02,680 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: So no, I was super grateful. And then two days

1011
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 1: later I caught up to that wolf pack and that

1012
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: was a different wolf pack. Um, so yeah, I think

1013
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,799
Speaker 1: I just listening to you talking. You and I have

1014
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 1: talked a lot in the past, and I think there's

1015
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: a lot of similarities to calling elk and calling wolves.

1016
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: You know, you we'll kind of break it down. Okay,

1017
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: you have to locate elk to call one in, right,

1018
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: so from a distance you're gonna locate an elk um

1019
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: or a wolf. You know, located wolf from a distance. Okay,

1020
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,000
Speaker 1: Then once you've located him, get in close. You know,

1021
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: we're typically we don't try to call in an elk

1022
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 1: clear across the big canyon unless you know. Most of

1023
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,439
Speaker 1: the time you're you're trying to close the gap. So

1024
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: same with a wolf. You know, once you get him

1025
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 1: talking and say, okay, I know where they're at, put

1026
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: the calls away, get over there, get close. I do

1027
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: the same thing like when I'm I'm creeping in on

1028
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 1: a bowl and like I start getting that little funny

1029
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: fee and like, man, I'm I'm gonna bust him here

1030
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: any second. You can feel it. And you said the

1031
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: same thing about you know, getting in position for calling wolves,

1032
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, get in close to where you're almost thinking

1033
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna bust him, and then set up and then

1034
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:19,160
Speaker 1: uh um, then do some calling. Now elk calling sometimes

1035
00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 1: I call a little a lot. Sometimes I call it

1036
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: a little just kind of depending on the situation and stuff.

1037
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: But um, like you said, uh, call a little bit,

1038
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, thirty seconds or so and get ready and

1039
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: if nothing happens, move on. Whereas ELK sometimes we'll call

1040
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 1: for a while and then maybe just kind of wait

1041
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 1: for maybe thirty minutes because it may take a bowl

1042
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: a little bit longer to kind of come in quiet

1043
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. But so there's are some similarities and

1044
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 1: but some differences too, But I can see the allure.

1045
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: I'm not a patient person by nature, and uh, I

1046
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: really like, you know, the thought of things happening a

1047
00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: lot quicker. Um as far as calling in a wolf,

1048
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, um, sometimes I get a little bit impatient

1049
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,439
Speaker 1: on elk Um. So um that that sounds really fun

1050
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna definitely definitely pencil and some time to

1051
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: go wolf hunting a wolf calling You kind of let

1052
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: the cut out of the bag a little bit there

1053
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: when you said prototype wolf howler. So I don't know

1054
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to talk about this, Jason, if you're listening,

1055
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 1: don't fire me, but uh, fire me right. We didn't

1056
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: have you sign an NDA or anything. But last last

1057
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: was it last fall or last winter. UM, I sent

1058
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: you a message a video of me blowing on a call,

1059
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that don't sound that right a

1060
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: wolf howler. And I'm like, okay, okay. So I kept

1061
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 1: messing with this um wolf howler, and uh, I was

1062
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: sitting around my house here getting kind of bored, and

1063
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: and I took that mouthpiece off our easy bugle or

1064
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: bugle tube, and I put that on one of our

1065
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: other smaller bugle tubes of plastic tube, and I started

1066
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: cutting it here and there, and I cut this, and

1067
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: I cut that, and then I start experimenting with different

1068
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: thicknesses of latex on that easy bugler to where I

1069
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: finally got it to work. It sound like a pretty

1070
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 1: good wolf foul. And you're like, yeah, that don't sound

1071
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 1: too bad. I'm like, all right, I'm gonna send you on.

1072
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: So I sent you one up there and to try

1073
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: it out. And and in your opinion, what do you

1074
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 1: think did it? Does it sound right? Does it sound good? Yeah?

1075
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: And wolves have all different you know, like young younger

1076
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: wolves have their their own volume. UM, older ones have

1077
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 1: their own volume. I feel like it's kind of in

1078
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: the middle. I like it. Yeah, I like it quite

1079
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: a bit. I don't feel like you want one that's

1080
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: too like low like a heifer cow. You get that,

1081
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, the really low alpha. Hell yeah, that's that

1082
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: really scared as other wolves out, you know, like that's

1083
01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: if you get like a little bit more of a

1084
01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: younger wolf foul it sounds, it's it's less intimidating. Um.

1085
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 1: I like it because it's just so convenient packing in

1086
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 1: the back country too. I actually throw that one now

1087
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: in my pack while I'm elk hunting. It's it's no

1088
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 1: extra weight, it's hardly any way, you know, just throwing

1089
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: the bag and in case we get bumped into a

1090
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: wolf back, that sucker gets pulled out and I start

1091
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 1: held them. Um yeah, I mean literally right when you

1092
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: sent that to me, that was it. A week after

1093
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,040
Speaker 1: I it was so funny to tell you that story

1094
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,720
Speaker 1: where I held and one just came running in almost

1095
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:44,120
Speaker 1: to the pickup. Yeah, that's crazy. It was so mind

1096
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: blown to me. So I get this prototype to try

1097
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: and usually when you get out of pick up, it's

1098
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: like the same with the elk bugle, Right, you throw

1099
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: a bugle from the pickup. You never know if there's

1100
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: ones close by. It was like wolf foul, and I

1101
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: knew it was an area where wolves run often, but

1102
01:01:57,600 --> 01:01:59,320
Speaker 1: I still had a few miles that go from the

1103
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: pickup before I on the wolf. So I throw how.

1104
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 1: I hear how up the canyon. I'm like, huh, well,

1105
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm getting my pack on, my gun still in the ring.

1106
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: All of sudden you hear the how close. We're like,

1107
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: oh crap, I need to get that gun out. So

1108
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: I get the gun out and locked the pickup and

1109
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: I just started running up the canyon. And I still

1110
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: thought I had a long ways ago. And then I

1111
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: heard the how up close, and like, oh, shoot, it's

1112
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: right there. And and then the wind switched and was

1113
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 1: blowing right toward its direction, and then it stopped. I

1114
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: was like, huh, that's weird. U. I mean, obviously if

1115
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: it smelled me, and smelled me, I'm sitting there walking.

1116
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 1: I looked right behind me, and the pickup is still

1117
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: in sight. By the way, if I look behind me,

1118
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: I left behind me, and the wolf is standing in

1119
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: the trail right behind me, right And by the time I,

1120
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, tried to we you know, pull the gun

1121
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: out to shoot it was it already darted off in

1122
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: the timber um. But that was my first experience with that,

1123
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: with that prototype. Is that wolf right there? And no,

1124
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 1: it's it's definitely versus you know, like I was telling

1125
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: this recent wolf pack I was working on. The demeanor

1126
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: was so different um when I was using that hell.

1127
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. So I did shoot at that

1128
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 1: wolf with that hell and that doesn't help any you know,

1129
01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: when just wising up the pack. Unfortunately, I know, I'm

1130
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: always telling people, don't wise at the pack, don't wise

1131
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: at the pack. And then I miss a wolf of

1132
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: my crap. I wised up the pack. Yeah, and they

1133
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: were still vocal. So that so I'll tell you, do

1134
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: you want the story of the white Wolf? I didn't.

1135
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 1: I didn't go full beto. Yeah yeah, let's let's hear it. Okay, okay.

1136
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: So so the day I get back from the ram hunt,

1137
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm like, I just wolf was still

1138
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: in my mind. I felt like I had to redee myself.

1139
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: I still had that. I still had that scab on

1140
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,520
Speaker 1: my head and like, come on, I gotta make this right.

1141
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 1: This is the pack. I really want it. Anyways, I

1142
01:03:57,520 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 1: can't tell you how many Elk families taken out of

1143
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,560
Speaker 1: that drainage. So we go there Tanna. Tanna, by the ways,

1144
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: that because I'm Adam, was hunting with us. So Tanna,

1145
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: you know, flew from Alaska home to Idaho and as

1146
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: as I okay, back up a little. She wanted the wolf,

1147
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: and so I just dropped her tons of pins to

1148
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: places of tribe. I'm like, stay away from this area.

1149
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: This is my area. You can only go in there

1150
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: with me, Like that's a pack I've been working on,

1151
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 1: you know. And so I was so a senator to

1152
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 1: these other places, you know, to try out. And then

1153
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: finally I was like, okay, you can try that area,

1154
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: but I think of grizzly. She met a grizzly and

1155
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: she backed out in the dark or something kind of

1156
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: spooked her, and so like, okay, I'll go with you.

1157
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: You know, um it's a pretty high infestive grizzly place too.

1158
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: But anyways, so we get in there and I forgot that,

1159
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 1: you know, well I didn't forget, but Elsie's started seeing

1160
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: there's people everywhere in the mountains and and there's usually

1161
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: is a camp there right at the head end where

1162
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: I usually get into the wolves. So I kind of

1163
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 1: messed up my whole hunt in some way having those

1164
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: elk hunters in there like shoot, and so I'm said,

1165
01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: they're scratching my head. And this was actually kind of

1166
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: a god given or just a just a fluke, but

1167
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 1: I was We're about ready to leave, and we were

1168
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,280
Speaker 1: just driving away from where I normally start hiking, and

1169
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: a wolf crossed in front of us, and I was like,

1170
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: whoa okay, and we jumped down to hold the whole

1171
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: pack line. I'm like, whoa okay. So that these that

1172
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: all the elk hunters were packed in in the back country,

1173
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: it pushed the wolves out. Yeah, so, and so we

1174
01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: were we had so we had the wolf pack located,

1175
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: and I was running that howler. Um. But the thing

1176
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: is that I mean beans that they've already I've been

1177
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 1: messed with before. They weren't really I could tell. I

1178
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: could already hear their howls. And my sisters like, we

1179
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 1: need to go in there. I'm like, no, Tanna, that

1180
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: those are warning howls. We need we need to do

1181
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 1: something differ in here. So I actually, um, we went

1182
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: around the wolf pack, Tanna said, at their escape route,

1183
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: and I came back down. I just told her. I

1184
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 1: was like, just stay there. You got shooting lanes. As

1185
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:13,960
Speaker 1: the wolf pack runs past you, you're gonna have some

1186
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: pretty good shots there. And I'm just gonna move up

1187
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:19,320
Speaker 1: the gut of the canyon and and try to held

1188
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: my way up. And what happened when I moved up

1189
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:28,920
Speaker 1: is I split up the pack. Yeah, and so, so

1190
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 1: part of the pack went one way, the other pack

1191
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 1: went another way. So when I met it back up

1192
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: a tann we came back down. I mean, there's this

1193
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: old there's this old older road in it's not maintained.

1194
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: And I hit that road and you could see tracks

1195
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: going both ways where they were held that morning, but

1196
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: you could see there were some young ones that went

1197
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: one way and the other other way. Um and so,

1198
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: and this is kind of this reminds me back of um,

1199
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,920
Speaker 1: you know what happens like sometimes if you split up

1200
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: a herd and olk hered, but the herd bulls and

1201
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: all that alarmed. But what like for me, maybe it's

1202
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: happened to like doesn't the elk sometimes the bowl doesn't

1203
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,360
Speaker 1: loop around trying to round up the cows. Yeah exactly, yea,

1204
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: So that's kind of what happened here. So we split

1205
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: up the pack and I was just like, well, Tanna,

1206
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 1: like the majority of the trucks are going up the road,

1207
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,800
Speaker 1: so I had that direction. There is a spot where

1208
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: they'll hang up the canyon there and I throw a

1209
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: how every so often did I just mainly just walking

1210
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: up the road and just around the corner. He came

1211
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 1: back around the corner of that that that old Brushton

1212
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: road and a point blank and I just shot Redemption.

1213
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,480
Speaker 1: And I think he was the alpha. And the reason

1214
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 1: why I see that is because, um, well you see

1215
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: all the tracks when you're going up the road, and

1216
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: you can see there's one track that's just unusually large.

1217
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,919
Speaker 1: You know, It's like that's the other thing. Some people

1218
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 1: say like, well, how do you know alpha? Well, sometimes

1219
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: you can just tell based on the tracks. If you're

1220
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 1: falling the pack, you can see the alpha track. You

1221
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 1: can see just one track is just unusually bigger than

1222
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: the rest of the pack. And and that's the one

1223
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: I killed. I killed the one with the unusually large

1224
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: track that was with the pack. And he was a

1225
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: big dog. He's a really big dog, and so I

1226
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 1: mean he's the effish and game actually couldn't even get

1227
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: the tooth out of him. You see that that usually

1228
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: in the case, I get the teeth are really in

1229
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: there because you know how they get rid of a

1230
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,280
Speaker 1: bear tooth, how they take a bar tooth out to

1231
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,680
Speaker 1: age it, and the wolf tooth to the fishing game

1232
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 1: couldn't get it out. And usually that's that means like

1233
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: an older mature wolf, those teeth are so set in

1234
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: they won't come out. So um, so he's definitely got

1235
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 1: some age to him how to get him aged. But yeah,

1236
01:08:51,800 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: he's a beast. That's awesome. That's awesome. If you could

1237
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: leave your our listeners. Uh, with one last closing thought,

1238
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: maybe one one piece of advice for someone who wants

1239
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 1: to get into calling wolves, what would that be? Um?

1240
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:30,800
Speaker 1: Get out, just be ready to hike over lots of

1241
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 1: country you want. You remember I said, how like you

1242
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: got to be like a wolf in some way. Now

1243
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't walk as fast as a wolf,

1244
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: but you gotta be willing to put on some miles. Um.

1245
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: But I think the other thing to say to and

1246
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 1: and getting into wolf hunting is the hunt smart. It's

1247
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: it's so hard to find that balance. And I know

1248
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: some really skilled elk hunters that are just and you

1249
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 1: probably know these guys too. They're just too aggressive and

1250
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: and they're the type of guys that actually doesn't like

1251
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: their type of mentality, and hunting wolves doesn't work because

1252
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: they're just too aggressive. Um and but it works for elk.

1253
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 1: But then also there's the opposite where you're too safe

1254
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: and you don't kill a wolf either. So it's good

1255
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 1: to just play a smart. I mean, I'm always on

1256
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: the attack mode. I always want to when I get

1257
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: a wolf pack hell, and I'm I'm there to kill

1258
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 1: them that day. I'm not saying that, Oh, I'm mark

1259
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: working on them. Maybe I'll come back tomorrow. I'm like, no,

1260
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 1: I hear them today, I know where they're a I'm

1261
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: gonna go in there and kill them. But plays smart

1262
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,640
Speaker 1: the winds blowing bad back out even if you know,

1263
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: like you don't want to wise up the pack. I

1264
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:44,479
Speaker 1: just if they can, if they can relate your hell

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Speaker 1: to that scent, will never come into your hell again.

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Speaker 1: I'll never come to that call again. It's the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Like I mentioned before, I can't tell you how many

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Speaker 1: times I kicked myself because I was too anxious to

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Speaker 1: get into the wolf pack, even on a bad wind

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Speaker 1: that I knew I could have avoided. We're just starting

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Speaker 1: to swirl, and it's like I should have just stayed

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Speaker 1: out a little bit longer, waited for my wind to

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Speaker 1: stable itself and then mess up the pack and then

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Speaker 1: never having that opportunity against um. So hunt smart. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to say hunt smart, not hard. Hunt both

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Speaker 1: hunt smart and hard um, but be willing to put

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Speaker 1: in some time. It takes some time to learn about

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Speaker 1: the pack they're hunting. And it's not always about learning

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Speaker 1: how to hunt wolves. It's it's about learning how to

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Speaker 1: hunt the particular pack you're after. So if there's a

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Speaker 1: pack your particularly after, you want to learn everything about

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Speaker 1: that wolf pack you're after, because they gained different habits

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Speaker 1: in the wolf pack next door, right, and so learning

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Speaker 1: about that particular I guess. The same thing with the

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Speaker 1: herd bull, you know, Like I've like that big bull

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: I killed three years ago because he was different than

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Speaker 1: any ok, and so I had I can't I could

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Speaker 1: use the same routine that I would do another elk.

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Speaker 1: I had to customize my hunt and to kill him

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Speaker 1: that bowls. Same thing with wolves. Learn learn to adapt,

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Speaker 1: be willieve to adapt, improvise and have fun doing it. Yeah, well, man,

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Speaker 1: I love it. That's that's some great, great information. I

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01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: find it fascinating and I think a lot of our

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Speaker 1: listeners are gonna love this. Tom Um, you have an

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01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: educational platform that teaches people tips and tactics and wolf

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Speaker 1: hunting and then a lot of other animal hunting to um.

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Speaker 1: Once you briefly tell us about that real quick before

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Speaker 1: were wrapping it up, Yeah, absolutely so I do. I

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Speaker 1: started a Wolf Huny master class and it's it's a

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Speaker 1: very thrill course. Um. When I first created the course,

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01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: I wanted to be very affordable for people because I

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01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: knew it was going to be a challenge. But after

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01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 1: I put in so much time and money and creating

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01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: this course and making it big like, it's actually turned

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01:12:55,439 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: out bigger than I thought. And so even the the

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Speaker 1: the tech lady that that created the website for me,

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01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 1: she told me I needed to charge a good price

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Speaker 1: for it, and but as cheap as I can make it.

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Speaker 1: I made it four seven bucks. Um. So far, I've

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Speaker 1: had really positive reviews on that Wolf Honey master Class,

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01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: and and the positive thing about it too is you'll

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01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 1: get your money back if you kill you know, you

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Speaker 1: kill a wolf, and if you're signed up with the

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Speaker 1: foundation for wildlife management. You'll make that money and turn

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Speaker 1: on top of that the first worth at UM I've

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Speaker 1: sold first for over five bucks, and the skull you

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01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: can get between a hundred hundred fifty bucks too. So

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Speaker 1: um so one wolf will pay for the course and

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01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:46,680
Speaker 1: then you you know knowledge. It's just it. It was

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Speaker 1: one of the most painful learning curves. I'll be honest,

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01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: I'd say it took me four years. So I really

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,960
Speaker 1: started getting that a HU moment where we're like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: this is working, like me going out there and killing wolves,

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Speaker 1: this is actually working. And now it sounds like I

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Speaker 1: gave a lot of information on this podcast, I actually

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Speaker 1: have given very little. Um Like, there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: information on the wolf Honi Masterclass. Hours and hours of

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Speaker 1: video footage where we go over maps, show where wolf

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Speaker 1: packs like to live, um, we go over sounds, wolf sounds, vocalizations,

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Speaker 1: several different scenarios that are effective UM calls, so on

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Speaker 1: and so forth. So there's a lot of information. I

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Speaker 1: highly recommend checking that out. UM Again, it's worth it.

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Speaker 1: I even had a really positive review. It was one

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Speaker 1: of my favorite reviews so far. We're had this long

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Speaker 1: time wolf trapper say that he bought this course being skeptical,

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Speaker 1: and then after the course he says, man, I'm glad

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Speaker 1: I spent the money and I'm really excited the wolf

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Speaker 1: lind And I was like, that is like one of

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Speaker 1: my That's what I like to hear. Ye, And and

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Speaker 1: I want and I got more information to add as well. Two.

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01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm always doing what I can to add more information

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01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: to the course. Um. So and if anybody has additional questions,

1343
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 1: you can always ask me on Instagram. Was stuck and

1344
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: right and ask you know, if there's anything that you

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01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:20,680
Speaker 1: don't see on the course, for free to ask and

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01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,559
Speaker 1: I'll I'll get it on there. Um. But then another

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Speaker 1: thing I've been too is is getting um getting other

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Speaker 1: experienced woolf unders involved in the course. Oh yeah, people

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Speaker 1: that have different experiences and different techniques and hunting wolves

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01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 1: than I do. Um. That's very important to me, especially

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Speaker 1: in areas outside of timber country because we're a hunt

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Speaker 1: in heavy timber country. We have friends at hunt Southern

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Speaker 1: Idaho where it's really open stage brush and they're very

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Speaker 1: successful wolf hunters. I've got them involved in that side

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01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: of the wolf funding master class where they teach about

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,679
Speaker 1: that their experiences. Um, but in the and you start

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01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: realizing that there's a lot of similarities between our techniques

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01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 1: and tactics and how to hunt them. Okay, but but yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's with that. Yeah, so that's the Wolf Funning

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Speaker 1: master Class. Dot com is where you can find that. Then,

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Speaker 1: and then I do also have a mule Deer master

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Speaker 1: class as well, which has uh actually been very successful

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Speaker 1: as well. I've been really pleased with how how that

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Speaker 1: turned out. But a lot of that comes with our

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Speaker 1: experience and hunting mule deer in the timber. It's a

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Speaker 1: different challenge that a lot of people haven't experienced before. So,

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Speaker 1: so those two classes, but yeah, the main the main

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Speaker 1: one just means that we're on the wolf topic. Um

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Speaker 1: that will funding master class would be the one to

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Speaker 1: check out. Excellent, excellent, And where else can they find you?

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Speaker 1: On social media? What what? It's stuck in the rut?

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Speaker 1: So yes, so stuck in the rut, um, stuck with

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Speaker 1: an end the rut. We have the YouTube channel Instagram.

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Speaker 1: I do have a TikTok. Actually we have a big

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Speaker 1: following on TikTok. But I'm I'm pretty uh tie them

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Speaker 1: what I can do on TikTok. Yeah, I get I

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Speaker 1: get in trouble a lot on TikTok. We Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: censorship is really bad. I could hurt. Like if I

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Speaker 1: have a gun on my belt or a pistol on

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Speaker 1: my belt, they flag it. So that's like pretty much

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Speaker 1: every outdoor video said that makes it challenging, but we

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01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: still Yeah, so so I went to focus on that.

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:33,879
Speaker 1: Instagram is actually the easiest way to reach out to me. Yeah,

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01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: I mean YouTube. A lot of people love our YouTube videos.

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Speaker 1: It's just we get so much comments and a lot

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Speaker 1: of I mean a combination of people that support, but

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Speaker 1: you also get a lot of the world too. Yeah,

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: so it's hard to really keep track of of hunters

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Speaker 1: and non hunters on the comments on the YouTube. Instagram

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Speaker 1: is the easiest for me, Tom, I can't tell you

1391
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: how appreciative I am for you coming on to night talking.

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Speaker 1: I know it's late at your at your house, and

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01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: it's late at my house too, so um, thank you

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01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: so much for coming on. And uh maybe we'll be

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01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: able to get you on again here one of these

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Speaker 1: days and and talk about some more wolf wolf hunting stories. Yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I love talking about it. Thanks again, awesome, Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much,