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Speaker 2: Robert Sala. They have decided to fire Robert Sala. And
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Speaker 2: the country. So back to Robert Sala. He was fired
Speaker 2: about an hour ago. Brian Costello covers the Jets for
Speaker 2: The New York Post kind enough to join us on
Speaker 2: short notice? How did we get to this point? Brian?
Speaker 2: Was he with us?
Speaker 3: I don't think he's ready just yet.
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Speaker 4: What's one weird thing? How tenuous was this? The Jets
Speaker 4: lose to the Broncos by one point. They had a
Speaker 4: comeback the other day and they lost by six. So
Speaker 4: because of seven points, you fire your head coach because
Speaker 4: I don't think a four and one team as far
Speaker 4: as a coach, I know it's a loss of a loss,
Speaker 4: but doesn't feel that far away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't he like twenty and thirty six? Yes, that's
Speaker 2: the reason why I got fired. Well, let me bring
Speaker 2: in Brian Costello covers the Jets for the New York Post.
Speaker 2: How did we get to this point, Brian.
Speaker 5: Dan, I'm still processing it, but you know, I think
Speaker 5: this season, there was such high expectations for the Jets
Speaker 5: with Aaron Rodgers coming back, lots of super Bowl talk,
Speaker 5: and they've looked They looked bad the last two weeks.
Speaker 5: You know, it was a one point lost to Denver,
Speaker 5: and if Greg Zerline makes a fifty yard field goal,
Speaker 5: maybe things are different. But they didn't. They had fifteen
Speaker 5: penalties in that game, thirteen that were accepted, five fallse starts,
Speaker 5: and you know, there's a clamoring there was. The fans
Speaker 5: were starting to get restless, and I think Woody Johnson
Speaker 5: listens to the fans. I think he spends a lot
Speaker 5: of time on Twitter and he has people in his
Speaker 5: family that do and I think he you know that Sunday.
Speaker 5: I also think, Dan, you can't overlook the game being
Speaker 5: in London on Sunday. He was the ambassador of the
Speaker 5: United Kingdom. He know, he's got a lot of friends
Speaker 5: over there. I'm sure he was embarrassed with the way
Speaker 5: they played and that probably played a factor in this
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 2: So you're surprised.
Speaker 5: I'm surprised.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I look, I've been asked after last week, I was
Speaker 5: asked a bunch of times beat by people on different
Speaker 5: shows and stuff, and you know, I thought, they have
Speaker 5: a stretch here where they have three standalone games in
Speaker 5: a row. They were on an NFL network Sunday morning,
Speaker 5: they play Monday Night Football this week against the Bills,
Speaker 5: and then they play Sunday Night Football in Pittsburgh. So
Speaker 5: that's three games where you have a national audience. I
Speaker 5: said to people, if they lose those three games, then
Speaker 5: I think he's in trouble because that then it's you know,
Speaker 5: all the morning shows are talking about him, everyone's talking
Speaker 5: about it. Then I think something could happen. But again,
Speaker 5: the Jets haven't changed coaches mid season since nineteen seventy
Speaker 5: six when Lou Holtz quit, So this is not like
Speaker 5: and they've had you know, Rich Kotite was the coach
Speaker 5: they went one to fifteen. Adam Gase was the coach.
Speaker 5: They were oh and thirteen to start that season. Todd
Speaker 5: Bowles last season, there was clear there was calls for
Speaker 5: them to fire him midseason. Everyone knew he was gone
Speaker 5: and it hasn't happened. So this is this is surprising
Speaker 5: because the Jets just this is not the way they've
Speaker 5: operated in a long long time.
Speaker 2: I wondered, if you fire Robert Sala, if you're still
Speaker 2: going to try to get Davante Adams, Like, I don't
Speaker 2: know if those two are connected or not.
Speaker 5: Brian, Yeah, I don't see a connection there. Davante doesn't
Speaker 5: know Sala. I mean, Davante's tie to the Jets is
Speaker 5: obvious with the quarterback, So that's that's the tie. And
Speaker 5: I don't think this changes anything in terms of DeVante Adams. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think that's related in I
Speaker 5: think this is just purely about what what Woody Johnson's
Speaker 5: seen the last couple of weeks on the field.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know if they would not fire him,
Speaker 2: they'd given the benefit of the doubt if they were
Speaker 2: going to bring in Davante Adams.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure if that I think this is I
Speaker 5: think the DeVante Adams thing is more than Joe Joe
Speaker 5: Douglas negotiating that right now, this is Woody Johnson deciding
Speaker 5: to move on from Sala.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: This is crazy, but we shouldn't be surprised. But we
Speaker 2: are surprised. Why is that? It's the Jets.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, Dan, if you had me on nine
Speaker 5: days ago, right, they beat the Patriots on Thursday Night Football,
Speaker 5: They look good, right, Rogers was Rogers was Rogers. He
Speaker 5: was controlling it. Everyone's like, oh, they're going to the
Speaker 5: super Bowl and then here they go. They hit their stride.
Speaker 5: They figured it out. I mean, Dad, we were asking
Speaker 5: questions that week before the Broncos game of you know,
Speaker 5: do you guys have to handle prosperity? Well here like,
Speaker 5: do you guys.
Speaker 6: Not have to get big hits?
Speaker 5: We were literally asking these questions in the locker room
Speaker 5: two weeks ago. And now he's fired, Like it's this league.
Speaker 5: Is the NFL is insane? Which is how weak the
Speaker 5: week it is? And you know, obviously there was a
Speaker 5: case to be made that Sala should have been fired
Speaker 5: last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, but he got.
Speaker 5: Kind of got a mulligan because Aaron Rodgers missed the
Speaker 5: whole season and they brought him back. But you could
Speaker 5: tell talking to Woody Johnson, we talked to him at
Speaker 5: NFL honors before the Super Bowl. He was basically saying
Speaker 5: like this is it, Like this is your last chance.
Speaker 5: And so I think he entered on shaky ground and
Speaker 5: then things just got shaker in the last two weeks here.
Speaker 2: How do you think the players are going to react
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 5: I talked to a couple of morning. They're pretty surprised
Speaker 5: right now. They didn't see this coming. You know, players
Speaker 5: are pretty resilient and not much phases them. So I
Speaker 5: think I don't think it's changed as much. Dan. That's
Speaker 5: my issue with this is the offense has been the problem. Yeah,
Speaker 5: solves the defensive coach. The defense gave up ten points
Speaker 5: to the Broncos. They gave up sixteen points to the Vikings.
Speaker 5: One touchdown was a pick six, right, So the defense
Speaker 5: hasn't been the problem. The offense has been the problem.
Speaker 5: What does this change offensively? You've now made the defensive
Speaker 5: coordinator who basically designed the defense along with Salah the
Speaker 5: head coach. Maybe a change in voice helps. But to me, Dan,
Speaker 5: this is a ten and seven team. You know, That's
Speaker 5: what I thought coming in the season. I still think
Speaker 5: they can go ten and seven, and now it's but
Speaker 5: now you know, if they win a few games in
Speaker 5: a row, it's gonna be oh well, oh Brick did
Speaker 5: it where? I just I just don't think this changed
Speaker 5: as much.
Speaker 2: Do you think whatdy Johnson gave Aaron Rodgers a heads
Speaker 2: up before this happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the that's the question right now that I have.
Speaker 5: I would think he probably would have, but I don't
Speaker 5: know that for sure right now, But I think if
Speaker 5: you didn't run it by them, that that's an interesting decision.
Speaker 2: You always have drama in your job. Is that a
Speaker 2: good thing? That you always have drama?
Speaker 5: It gives me job security. Dan, I'll say that, you know,
Speaker 5: this beats never boring. When the New York Post makes
Speaker 5: the list of jobs and maybe we can get maybe
Speaker 5: we can live without this one, Jets Beat is not
Speaker 5: on that list. So uh yeah, but it's it's you know,
Speaker 5: I just texted my wife. I said, the plans have
Speaker 5: changed for the week different.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian.
Speaker 5: Thanks Dan.
Speaker 2: That's Brian Costello, Jets Beat reporter for the New York Post. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got drama. You don't have high highs, like like,
Speaker 2: if you're covering some of these teams that get a
Speaker 2: chance to go to the Super Bowl or an NFC
Speaker 2: title game or AFC title game. With the Jets, there's
Speaker 2: always going to be a storyline. The question is is
Speaker 2: it going to be a positive storyline. I remember being
Speaker 2: around the Jets when Mark Gastineau was there, and they
Speaker 2: were a good team. You know, Ken O'Brien, But the
Speaker 2: Giants were a better team at the time. But they
Speaker 2: had h Marty Lines and Joe Klecko. They had a
Speaker 2: really good defensive line. Freeman McNeil, al Toon was really good,
Speaker 2: Wesley Walker, they were I mean, they they were close
Speaker 2: to being a really good team, and so there wasn't
Speaker 2: really drama back then. I think Joe Walton was the
Speaker 2: head coach. But I think that's the first time I
Speaker 2: was around Richard Todd. So I was never around when Namath.
Speaker 2: I wasn't covering them. I wasn't old enough to be
Speaker 2: covering them back then. It started in the early eighties.
Speaker 2: But I remember Gastoneau was always a storyline because he
Speaker 2: was he was dating Brigitte Nielsen. Oh really, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: and he had I think he had a Rolls Royce
Speaker 2: and he was a big deal. He wasn't well liked
Speaker 2: by his teammates. I mean, I thought Joe Kleco was
Speaker 2: the heart and soul of that team. He was one
Speaker 2: of my favorite players. But you know, you're out there
Speaker 2: covering these teams, and you kind of juxtapose that with
Speaker 2: the Giants, with Bill Parcells. Belichick was there, you got
Speaker 2: LT you got you know, Phil Simms, Joe Morris. But
Speaker 2: the Jets were holding their own, you know, they just
Speaker 2: couldn't they couldn't get over that hump. The Giants, of
Speaker 2: course won the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Yes, Pung, It's such an awkward week to do it
Speaker 4: because now you have a standalone Monday night football game
Speaker 4: versus Buffalo for the media just chop it up preview
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 2: Wow, But you don't want him to win his way
Speaker 2: out of this. If you're planning on firing him, I
Speaker 2: guess that you're going to have these standalone games. They
Speaker 2: can lose all three of these and then you can go, Okay,
Speaker 2: now if he wins two or three, are like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if we can fire him after will win
Speaker 2: against Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost like that's why you fired him this
Speaker 3: week is because you have a standalone game coming up,
Speaker 3: and as ownership, you could be like Sea fans, we're trying.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, it's all pr right. It starts from
Speaker 2: the top, I mean it does. Now does Rogers Tuesdays?
Speaker 2: Does he talk or is that with McAfee or is
Speaker 2: that both?
Speaker 4: Usually the quarterback speaks either Tuesday or Wednesday to the
Speaker 4: gathered media, and he also has his obligation with McAfee.
Speaker 2: I mean, Rodgers has to answer some of these questions. Aaron,
Speaker 2: why did you have your coach fired? Who did the
Speaker 2: code red? Aaron? The defense has been great, the offense
Speaker 2: has been terrible, which is true. Robert Sawah doesn't have
Speaker 2: anything to do with the offense.
Speaker 6: Oh man, what a mess?
Speaker 2: What a miss? Chris in Pennsylvania? Hi, Chris, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind?
Speaker 7: Hey you good morning? So Rogers, you know he's getting
Speaker 7: a lot of blame here, But what happened to the
Speaker 7: running game? Let's talk about brief Hall and Brayln Allen Man,
Speaker 7: they just like both disappeared the last two games.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think this is more systemic with that that.
Speaker 2: You're right. Should they have a better running game? Yeah?
Speaker 2: They should have a better offense. You know, if you
Speaker 2: have a better passing game, you can have a better
Speaker 2: running game and vice versa. They just they haven't. It
Speaker 2: hadn't synced up yet. There's plenty of blame to go around,
Speaker 2: there always is with the Jets. Dave and San Antonio. Hi, Dave,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind?
Speaker 8: Hey, good morning guys. I hate to take us off
Speaker 8: topics here for a second, but I'm dropping my kid off.
Speaker 8: I get home a little bit earlier than usual. I
Speaker 8: put on Dan Patrick on peacock. I'm watching Marvin shoot
Speaker 8: baskets and I'm looking at Marvin shoot baskets and I'm like,
Speaker 8: what is going on here?
Speaker 5: Man?
Speaker 8: Marvin like brothers don't shoot like that.
Speaker 2: Dan.
Speaker 8: I know you're a shooter.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 8: You haven't been out there with Marvin. Help him on
Speaker 8: the court.
Speaker 9: You got to help my brother out.
Speaker 2: I he never asked for help. I always wait if
Speaker 2: somebody asks for help, then I'll help them. And Marvin
Speaker 2: hasn't asked for help with shooting. Do you need help?
Speaker 1: Do I?
Speaker 2: I don't think so, okay, so then I'm not going
Speaker 2: to help you. But if you said to me, I
Speaker 2: setan I didn't notice something with Seaton where he was shooting,
Speaker 2: and he would move he would move it off his
Speaker 2: head to his side, and I said, no, just keep
Speaker 2: it on the side. Don't move it from the head
Speaker 2: to the side because it's taking longer to get your
Speaker 2: shot off. That was all. It's just a nice Hey,
Speaker 2: I noticed this, but I don't want to give you
Speaker 2: a tutorial on shooting. You know what, during a break
Speaker 2: help me. I'll need more time than that the break
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 3: If you want to start a service, you people send
Speaker 3: in videos and then you break down their form, it's like, well,
Speaker 3: charge like a monthly fee for it or something, you
Speaker 3: know what.
Speaker 2: I have to do this Happy Gilmore thing, So I
Speaker 2: don't have time right now. I found out I'm in
Speaker 2: two scenes with Happy Gilmore, and I think I'm shooting
Speaker 2: my scenes here, I think, but I don't know. I
Speaker 2: just heard from Samler this morning and he said, Danny,
Speaker 2: you're gonna need a wardrobe change for two scenes. And
Speaker 2: I said, okay, So I'll find out exactly what that is.
Speaker 2: But look if I can help. I mean, I took
Speaker 2: time out to help Ray Allen when he came in a.
Speaker 4: Little late, though he'd already played a couple thousand games.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever too late. I'm still trying
Speaker 2: to perfect my shot, and we'll always try to perfect
Speaker 2: my shot. I only want to hit the rim. I
Speaker 2: want the net, and then I don't even want the
Speaker 2: net to move. Marvin, I don't know if I can
Speaker 2: help you, if you don't want to be that great
Speaker 2: like you coulda want it, and if not, I'm not
Speaker 2: wasting my time anymore. You know what I want it? No,
Speaker 2: I didn't believe that at all. Oh, it's all.
Speaker 1: Let's move logs.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it's gonna do about helping my
Speaker 6: eye shot, but we're gonna move logs.
Speaker 2: Yes. Oh, I just saw a video.
Speaker 4: Reggie Miller's fifty nine years old. He posted a video
Speaker 4: him just jacking from deep.
Speaker 2: No problem, no, no problem, nope. And you know those
Speaker 2: who haven't have it and they never lose it. It's
Speaker 2: just it's it's magic in your hand. But it's a
Speaker 2: small fraternity of us that you know, it just never leaves.
Speaker 4: Show us a handshaked in.
Speaker 2: No can't. You almost tricked me into showing you the
Speaker 2: secret handshake, because if I see Steph Curry, I just
Speaker 2: give him the nod and then he knows it's time
Speaker 2: for the secret handshake. And I hope Klay Thompson gets
Speaker 2: back in the fraternity, you know, I hope. So did
Speaker 2: you see where Luca bet one of his teammates. I
Speaker 2: think it was one hundred thousand dollars this was during
Speaker 2: this is like a couple of days ago. Then he
Speaker 2: would make a full court shot. They had like some
Speaker 2: fan past or something, and Luca made it for one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars. Did you see that? I don't know,
Speaker 2: maybe you didn't see the video, but it is.
Speaker 3: It's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: It is wild. Yeah, but I think I don't know
Speaker 2: what the bet was. So Luca is going to make
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand, but uh, I think one of his
Speaker 2: younger teammates cost him one hundred large Derek Lively, Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And you could see his reaction when Luca makes a
Speaker 2: full court shot. It's like, damn yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 4: Luca's underneath the opposing basket about three feet out. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he doesn't even step up. It's like a hook shot
Speaker 4: you would do in horse in your backyard, but from
Speaker 4: eighty five.
Speaker 2: Feet probably further than Yeah. Yeah, for one hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: All right, let me take a break. Bob Costas he
Speaker 2: will join us coming up next. More of your phone
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Speaker 2: This is the first time since the Division series were
Speaker 2: added in nineteen ninety five that all four series are
Speaker 2: tied at a game apiece after two games. You got
Speaker 2: baseball coming up later on today you got the Phillies
Speaker 2: and the Mets, and then you got Dodgers at the
Speaker 2: Padres coming up at nine Eastern. Bob Costas on the
Speaker 2: call for the Yankees game with the Kansas City Royals,
Speaker 2: MLB Network host and Hall of Fame sportscaster. When the
Speaker 2: playoffs started, Bob, a couple of baseball writers said, all
Speaker 2: twelve teams could win the World Series the same way
Speaker 2: when that happened, when that started, Well.
Speaker 6: All twelve teams have a shot to win a given series.
Speaker 6: And as I said to you before, if when the
Speaker 6: playoffs start under this format, you could take any team
Speaker 6: you want from either league and I take the field,
Speaker 6: I'd like my chances because so many good teams one
Speaker 6: hundred win teams have been knocked out. Especially treacherous is
Speaker 6: the division series round with the odd number of off days,
Speaker 6: so a lesser team can get by, maybe with only
Speaker 6: two good starters. Detroit may get by with only one
Speaker 6: good starter, but he's the best pitcher in baseball, best
Speaker 6: starter in baseball this year. Once you get to the LCS,
Speaker 6: it's a more legitimate test. But think about last year.
Speaker 6: The Diamondbacks knock off the Dodgers, a team that finished
Speaker 6: sixteen games ahead of them in the same division. They
Speaker 6: get all the way through to the World Series. The
Speaker 6: team they meet, the Texas Rangers, is in effect a
Speaker 6: wildcard team. They tied the Astros for first place, but
Speaker 6: there was a tie breaker, so they had to play
Speaker 6: in the wildcard round. So both those teams that in
Speaker 6: the Wildcard round, they both made it to the World Series.
Speaker 6: Were they the best teams in their respective leagues over
Speaker 6: the course of the season. No, But the days of
Speaker 6: an old Pennant race win it, or even the old
Speaker 6: LCS win the division, have to finish first, go to
Speaker 6: the LCS. That's the one thing that you get to
Speaker 6: the World Series. Those days are behind us. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of pluses to this. I mean, there's been a
Speaker 6: lot of great games, and I've had a lot of
Speaker 6: people say, you know, it just almost feels like March
Speaker 6: Madness in a sense. I'm watching four games at once,
Speaker 6: and we're going around with the highlights that everybody's got
Speaker 6: a shot and there are interesting things happening, and that's
Speaker 6: what baseball wanted. And even if you're not among the
Speaker 6: twelve teams, there were enough teams close enough into the
Speaker 6: last week or so to keep their fan bases engaged.
Speaker 6: That's the trade off, or you're going to always get
Speaker 6: the purest matchup between the two best teams in the league. No,
Speaker 6: in fact, I would think less often than not would
Speaker 6: that would happen. But there are upsides to the setup too.
Speaker 2: I love the best of three. I just it created tension,
Speaker 2: immediacy in each game mattered. And maybe it's not fair,
Speaker 2: but I always feel like if you got one hundred
Speaker 2: and sixty two games to alter your course there and
Speaker 2: if it comes down to this, and you know, some
Speaker 2: of these teams had all three home games if they
Speaker 2: got to that, so I was fine with it. I
Speaker 2: don't want all the playoffs series like that. Where do
Speaker 2: you stand on that?
Speaker 6: Well, the difference between baseball and other sports has to
Speaker 6: be taken into account. Baseball plays one hundred and sixty
Speaker 6: two twice as many as the NHL and the NBA
Speaker 6: and roughly ten times as many, did I say, the
Speaker 6: NHL and NBA, Yes, I did, and roughly ten times
Speaker 6: I didn't get much sleep last night, Dan, I got
Speaker 6: going to get on a plane to Kansas City. I'm
Speaker 6: a little groggy, but ten times as much as the NFL.
Speaker 6: And so there's a legitimate feeling that you want to
Speaker 6: honor what happens over the course of that long season.
Speaker 6: Playoff qualifying seems different in baseball. That doesn't mean that
Speaker 6: this format is bad, but almost any format, if you
Speaker 6: want that many teams to be in it is going
Speaker 6: to be imperfect to one extent or another. But this
Speaker 6: one does yield some excitement in the early rounds, no
Speaker 6: question about it.
Speaker 2: And I love that Detroit is in. I watched almost
Speaker 2: all of that game yesterday. Scooble is I mean dominating. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And you know, I just it's a young team. Aj
Speaker 2: Hinch gets a chance to, you know, come back Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Although they won in what twenty fifteen, there's still I mean,
Speaker 2: I love that. Then you get the Padres and the
Speaker 2: Dodgers that it feels like Yankees in Red Sox. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. So there there's a lot of matchups, a
Speaker 2: lot of fun things. And then you throw in the
Speaker 2: Phillies in the Mets, and it doesn't matter if it's exhibition,
Speaker 2: you know, spring training, or you know, or a playoff.
Speaker 2: So that that I think the match. I think baseball's
Speaker 2: had a really good year this year.
Speaker 6: I think so too, with historic performances by Otani and Judge.
Speaker 6: Judge continues to struggle in the postseason, and that's another
Speaker 6: subplot in all of this, and Bobby Witch Junior emerging
Speaker 6: as one of the best all round players in recent seasons.
Speaker 6: There's a lot to like in this baseball season. And
Speaker 6: to your point earlier, the Padres and the Dodgers feels
Speaker 6: like a real rivalry. It felt like that before the
Speaker 6: game on Sunday night. Then you've got people throwing stuff
Speaker 6: which you can't applaud at profar and then apparently Manny
Speaker 6: Machado tossed a baseball in the direction of Dave Roberts,
Speaker 6: and Roberts is a pretty even keel guy, but he
Speaker 6: said it had some mustard on it, and I found
Speaker 6: it to be disrespectful. So the atmosphere is for Games
Speaker 6: three and four in San Diego should be pretty raucous
Speaker 6: as well, as long as everybody stays in their seats
Speaker 6: and yells and screams as much as they want, but
Speaker 6: doesn't do anything more than that. But you know, they
Speaker 6: play in the same division, just like the Tigers and
Speaker 6: the Guardians do in the same division. The Mets and
Speaker 6: the Phillies in the same division. So there's that familiarity
Speaker 6: with all the games played during the regular season. And
Speaker 6: now they meet again in October, and because of the
Speaker 6: prox you're going to have even more visiting fans if
Speaker 6: they can score a ticket somehow, even more visiting fans
Speaker 6: in the other team's ballpark. In fact, I said to
Speaker 6: Ron Darling during Game one, this is the only series
Speaker 6: where a plane ride is required between New York and
Speaker 6: Kansas City. I think they should go old school and
Speaker 6: take a train. And everybody wears suspenders and smokes cigars
Speaker 6: and reads the Sporting News and it's in black and white,
Speaker 6: and it looks like a scene out of the natural.
Speaker 2: Would you be willing to take a train today to
Speaker 2: Kansas City, Bob.
Speaker 6: Absolutely not, even the club car on a cello. I'm
Speaker 6: not going that far.
Speaker 2: We've tried to put Otani's season in perspective, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm looking at a hitter and a hitter in a
Speaker 2: regular season. The only other you know that moment where
Speaker 2: he has the three homers, like, is that the greatest
Speaker 2: game ever for a hitter? And I still brought it
Speaker 2: even though it's two games. Ted Williams on that final
Speaker 2: when he could have sat out and he played both
Speaker 2: ends of the double header and batted four oh six,
Speaker 2: that's the only thing that I thought might be a
Speaker 2: comparison to that.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, well, I think of the Sandberg Game forty
Speaker 6: years ago on the NBC Game of the Week when
Speaker 6: Ryan Samberg went five for six and hit two homers,
Speaker 6: last ditch homers off Bruce Suitor. They used relief pitchers
Speaker 6: differently then, I think White he Hearszog had Suitor in
Speaker 6: there for at least three innings, so Samberg homers to
Speaker 6: tie it on the ninth. He homers a ken in
Speaker 6: the tenth with two out to tie it again and
Speaker 6: was immediately dubbed the Sandberg Game. And that's what people
Speaker 6: around Chicago still referred to it as. And it was
Speaker 6: on a national broadcast when the Game of the Week
Speaker 6: was something different than it is now, when you have
Speaker 6: so many ways to access baseball fred Lynn had a
Speaker 6: game during his Rookie of the Year MVP year in
Speaker 6: seventy five for the Red Sox where he hit three
Speaker 6: home runs and had ten RBIs at Tiger Stadium. But
Speaker 6: what Otani did here and then, of course, if you
Speaker 6: think of something happening in the World Series, you think
Speaker 6: of Reggie Jackson hitting three home runs in a deciding
Speaker 6: World Series game, it's more meaningful. I think of some
Speaker 6: of the games that George Brett had. He had a
Speaker 6: three homer game every homer off Catfish Hunter in the
Speaker 6: LCS in either seventy seven or seventy eight, and he
Speaker 6: had another game in eighty five where he had two homers,
Speaker 6: a double and a single and the double hit the
Speaker 6: top of the wall against Toronto. Brett is one of
Speaker 6: the all time great postseason performers. The thing about this, though,
Speaker 6: is not only did he have five hits and three
Speaker 6: home runs and he almost had the cycle, he was
Speaker 6: thrown out a third trying to stretch a double. He
Speaker 6: had two doubles, so he's thrown out a third, could
Speaker 6: have had the cycle. And he passed both milestones. He
Speaker 6: passed the fifty and the fifty in the same game,
Speaker 6: so I think that this has elements that surrounded. You
Speaker 6: could look at others and say, I can make a
Speaker 6: case for this or that, but for now Otani will do.
Speaker 2: Could he be underrated?
Speaker 6: I don't know how he could be underrated. He's been
Speaker 6: certainly celebrated. People will interpret what I'm about to say wrongly,
Speaker 6: but it would be a great thing for baseball in
Speaker 6: the big picture. If Otani, who never played in a
Speaker 6: playoff game with the Angels, if Otani got to the
Speaker 6: World Series, and if Judge snapped out of it and
Speaker 6: hit a few homers on the way to the World Series,
Speaker 6: and you got Yankees Dodgers. Not just because of the markets,
Speaker 6: but because these are the two players who's the casual
Speaker 6: fan is immediately recognizable. You can grasp what they've done,
Speaker 6: you can grasp that they're both historic players. Now, I
Speaker 6: know that you will have comments saying, oh, it's a
Speaker 6: big market bias. Hey, if the Tigers make it, if
Speaker 6: Kansas City plays the Tigers or the Guardians and the LCS,
Speaker 6: that's good for baseball in its own way. But if
Speaker 6: you're just looking for a big boost in World Series ratings,
Speaker 6: you got the combination of the markets and the two
Speaker 6: marquee players that would be the best in that respect
Speaker 6: for baseball.
Speaker 2: Well, when I say underrated, because we didn't know that
Speaker 2: he was capable of stealing sixty bases and even the
Speaker 2: pitching part of it. That'll come back next year and
Speaker 2: he probably won't come close to these numbers. He won't
Speaker 2: be running the bases this way, but it's almost like
Speaker 2: I can't do that. I'm gonna show you something else
Speaker 2: that I can do. Yeah, this year.
Speaker 6: Minus the pitching, kind of liberated him to run the bases,
Speaker 6: and maybe it accounts for a portion of what he's
Speaker 6: done at the plate because he doesn't have as much
Speaker 6: stress on his body and on his attentions. Maybe, But
Speaker 6: as everyone has said, and it's true, he's a unicorn.
Speaker 6: Is he the greatest player? You can make a case
Speaker 6: for many others, But is he the most talented player
Speaker 6: certainly that I've ever seen. Will He is not to
Speaker 6: say that he's a greater all round player than Willie Mays.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's never played the field to any significant extent.
Speaker 6: He's a dh But we've never seen someone who simultaneously
Speaker 6: does the two things, or the multiple things if you
Speaker 6: count the base dealing. That Otani does, because, as we
Speaker 6: said before, we know that Ruth would have been a
Speaker 6: Hall of Famer as a pitcher had he never switched
Speaker 6: to the outfield. But he didn't really do the two
Speaker 6: simultaneously to any great extent, though Tony has.
Speaker 2: Do you remember when we were at the Mets Astros
Speaker 2: playoff game and Pete Rose said to us we were
Speaker 2: at the top of the steps, and he said, who
Speaker 2: do you like today? Do you remember that?
Speaker 6: I do?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 6: And you know I was telling Aaron Boone or just
Speaker 6: having a conversation before the game. And you know, Aaron
Speaker 6: knew Pete from the time he was a little kid
Speaker 6: because his dad, Bob Boone, was a Phillies teammate of
Speaker 6: Pete Rose. And you want to talk about six degrees
Speaker 6: of Kevin Bacon. If you talk to Aaron Boone, you
Speaker 6: can connect him to just about everybody, including people from
Speaker 6: before the midpoint of the twentieth century, because his grandfather
Speaker 6: broke it in nineteen forty eight. So we're talking about
Speaker 6: Pete Rose, and it occurred to me. I hadn't thought
Speaker 6: about this in a very long time. It's around nineteen
Speaker 6: eighty one, and I'm just starting out with NBC and
Speaker 6: I'm standing in front of the Phillies dugout and Pete
Speaker 6: Row playing catch, just warming up before the game, and
Speaker 6: he glances over it and he goes, I see you. You
Speaker 6: do those Big ten basketball games. And I'm thinking, Wow,
Speaker 6: Pete Rose knows who I am. But then a few
Speaker 6: years later it dawned on me what that was really
Speaker 6: all about.
Speaker 2: He was betting on those Big ten games.
Speaker 6: Absolutely, what's the line on in State Northwestern on a
Speaker 6: Tuesday night in February?
Speaker 2: Did we put to bet? I don't know what we
Speaker 2: accomplished with discussing Pete in his legacy and moving forward.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It just felt like it was the
Speaker 2: same story with Pete and it never changed.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm repeating myself here. Nobody's nominating Pete Rose
Speaker 6: for Citizen of the Year. But not only was he
Speaker 6: a truly great player just on the numbers, he's a
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame caliber player, but he was so iconic
Speaker 6: in the way he played the game in a bigger
Speaker 6: than life personality and part of one of the great teams,
Speaker 6: the Big Red Machine. And it's not just in the
Speaker 6: aftermath of his death. I've been saying this for more
Speaker 6: than thirty years. Baseball should have made a distinction.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: I know that technically it's the board of directors of
Speaker 6: the Hall of Fame, but if any of the commissioners
Speaker 6: had said, hey, come on, it's okay with us, that
Speaker 6: would have influenced the board of directors. They could have
Speaker 6: made a simple distinction. He is rightly banned from any
Speaker 6: official part in baseball because he broke the cardinal rule,
Speaker 6: but he's on the Hall of Fame ballot. People who
Speaker 6: poisoned the record books by taking steroids probably damaged the
Speaker 6: game more than Pete Row has ever damaged the game.
Speaker 6: They're on the ballot. Whether they make it in or not,
Speaker 6: they're on the ballot. And if he winds up getting
Speaker 6: in posthumously, now it's almost like they're twisting the knife,
Speaker 6: whether that's their intention or not. And I know that
Speaker 6: there were unsavory things connected to Pete, but somebody got
Speaker 6: those forty two and fifty six base hits, and I've
Speaker 6: always said you could put it at the bottom of
Speaker 6: the plaque, along with all the achievements. Bann from base
Speaker 6: in nineteen eighty nine for gambling, and in the immediate aftermath,
Speaker 6: fay Vincent who succeeded Bartiamadi and was one of Bart's
Speaker 6: closest friends. If he had lifted that ban in terms
Speaker 6: of the Hall of Fame, that would have seemed too lenient.
Speaker 6: But as time went by, you get to the turn
Speaker 6: of the century, I think everybody would have grasped it
Speaker 6: eligible because of what he did. Historically eligible for the
Speaker 6: Hall no longer officially connected to baseball. That's the punishment.
Speaker 6: And people who say, well, you know, baseball, like every
Speaker 6: other sport, has now embraced gambling, so it's hypocritical. I
Speaker 6: get that. Atmospherically, that's a bad look, but it's still
Speaker 6: the rule for any player. If you bet on a
Speaker 6: game in which you're not involved in baseball, you can
Speaker 6: bet on football or basketball. But if you bet on
Speaker 6: a game that you're not involved in, automatic at least
Speaker 6: one game suspension, then you can one year suspension, then
Speaker 6: you can apply for reinstatement. But if you bet on
Speaker 6: a game in which you are involved, including if you
Speaker 6: bet on your own team, the rule is still exactly
Speaker 6: the same as it's been for decades and decades, lifetime banishment.
Speaker 2: But if he was in the Hall of Fame, do
Speaker 2: you think if they found out that he gambled. Later,
Speaker 2: would they have taken him out of the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 2: let's say just baseball wise, his career Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2: Then he becomes a manager, let's say six years after
Speaker 2: he's in the Hall of Fame, and then he's betting
Speaker 2: on baseball. They find that out. Would they have taken
Speaker 2: him out of the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 6: But at that point he couldn't have managed in baseball
Speaker 6: By what I just suggested, he's banned from baseball.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, let's say no, they don't catch him.
Speaker 6: Oh I think no.
Speaker 2: So he's in the Hall of Fame for his playing career.
Speaker 2: He waits six years, the Reds bring him in to
Speaker 2: be their manager. Then all of a sudden he bets
Speaker 2: on baseball. Would they have taken him out of the
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6: That's a tricky one. I guess not. But they might
Speaker 6: have altered the plaque, okay, to indicate you know what
Speaker 6: the circumstances are for those who haven't been to the
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame. They think of some people think of
Speaker 6: that as just the plaque gallery, that's part of it,
Speaker 6: but it's a much larger museum. And Pete Rose and
Speaker 6: Joe Jackson and all the supposed steroid guys. They're all
Speaker 6: represented in terms of their place in baseball history throughout
Speaker 6: the museum. But it's the plaque gallery where Pete Rose
Speaker 6: is missing. I mentioned this on the air right after
Speaker 6: he died someplace or other. I went to the Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame with Pete for a piece for the Today
Speaker 6: Show sometime in the nineties, and he had not set
Speaker 6: foot in the Hall of Fame after since Barchiamatti had
Speaker 6: banned him. And at one point he walked over to
Speaker 6: ty Cobb's plaque. And Pete was not a reflective man
Speaker 6: at all, but in that moment you could tell he
Speaker 6: was reflecting. And I actually backed the way to give
Speaker 6: him some space, and you could tell that he's looking
Speaker 6: at this plaque and saying, Hey, I'm connected historically to
Speaker 6: this guy, this guy I never met. I'm connected to
Speaker 6: Ty Cobb. Why am I not here represented in this gallery? Well,
Speaker 6: the answer is mostly by your own doing. But justice
Speaker 6: can be tempered with mercy. I don't think if Pete
Speaker 6: Rose had gotten into the Hall of Fame, let's say,
Speaker 6: in two thousand and five, twenty ten, and he had
Speaker 6: the plaque in the fashion that I suggested, No little
Speaker 6: kid is going to walk through the Hall of Fame
Speaker 6: with his dad look at the plaque and say, gee, Dad,
Speaker 6: I guess it's okay. Then if I get to the
Speaker 6: major leagues and I bet on baseball, I mean, the
Speaker 6: cautionary tale is there. It was in the first paragraph
Speaker 6: of his obituary. And we knew that for decades that
Speaker 6: it would be in the first paragraph of his obituary.
Speaker 6: He paid a huge price, even if he was even
Speaker 6: it was by his own doing, he paid a huge price.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did ask Johnny Bench after Pete died. I said,
Speaker 2: you saw that segment. Yeah. I said, did you have
Speaker 2: any idea if he was betting on baseball as a player,
Speaker 2: And he said, well, I was told by the FBI,
Speaker 2: you know, to stay away. I think the reason why
Speaker 2: Pete is never going to be on the ballot it
Speaker 2: is those commissioners know that Pete Bett is a player. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I think that that might be the point of
Speaker 2: no return.
Speaker 6: You know that may be true. I asked Rob Manford
Speaker 6: in an interview a few years ago. Is there something
Speaker 6: that the general public and those of us in the
Speaker 6: media pay attention to, what would know about is there
Speaker 6: something that we don't know about that influences this decision,
Speaker 6: something more damning than what we know, or additionally damning
Speaker 6: to what we know. And Manford's answer was no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't believe it. Don't believe it. I had
Speaker 2: too many conversations with Bud Selig where I just got it.
Speaker 2: I got a sense that there was something there, and
Speaker 2: I don't think Pete all of a sudden goes, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm just going to start gambling on baseball as a
Speaker 2: manager and not as a player.
Speaker 6: Yeah, what they're saying is logical. Yeah, you don't know
Speaker 6: the answer for sure, but it's certainly a logical question.
Speaker 2: To talk to you safe travels to Kansas City.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Dan.
Speaker 2: All right, But that's Bob Costas TNT, the exclusive home
Speaker 2: of the Alds Alcs. Bob on the call with Ron Darling,
Speaker 2: and that'll be coming up tomorrow, Game three in Kansas City.
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes I get going with Bob and I
Speaker 2: forget that I'm doing a show. You just talk. It's
Speaker 2: and I'm lucky to have that relationship, but it's just
Speaker 2: it's a conversation. The fact that he remembers that's nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six, We're at the top of the dugout steps
Speaker 2: at Shay Stadium and Pete is there, and he walks
Speaker 2: up to us and says, who do you like today?
Speaker 2: That's a gambling language right there. That's what gamblers say,
Speaker 2: who do you like today? All right, let me take
Speaker 2: a break. We're back after this.
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Speaker 2: Oh boy, So the Jets have fired Robert Salah. The
Speaker 2: Jets owner Woody Johnson sent out a statement blah blah blah, blah,
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. I don't know how it's not a
Speaker 2: hallmark greeting card. I thanked him for his hard work
Speaker 2: these past three and a half years and wished him
Speaker 2: and his family well moving forward. This was not an
Speaker 2: easy decision. Wouldn't it be interesting if you said this
Speaker 2: was an easy decision? But he says, we are not
Speaker 2: where we should be given our expectations, and I believe
Speaker 2: now is the best time for us to move on. Okay,
Speaker 2: statement from Woody Johnson.
Speaker 4: I think I'd prefer one time to see an owner
Speaker 4: give an actual, real statement. Instead of parting of ways,
Speaker 4: we agreed to separate. It's we fired our head coach
Speaker 4: because we're losing all the time. We wish him the
Speaker 4: best going forward. It is probably not gonna work out
Speaker 4: for that team either.
Speaker 2: Uh, Eddie and del Mar's back? Hi, Eddie, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 10: Good morning, Danny. I really have a problem with Dave
Speaker 10: Roberts right now. He says he's seen video of Manny
Speaker 10: Machado throwing a ball at him with intense and I
Speaker 10: haven't seen the video. I haven't seen it on ESPN.
Speaker 10: You know, ESPN would probably be showing quite a bit
Speaker 10: of that. I think that's lying to support a narrative
Speaker 10: or lie to influence the narrative. And Gus in Los Angeles,
Speaker 10: I love you. You're a great caller. You said Profar
Speaker 10: throw a ball into the stand. Now, I haven't seen
Speaker 10: video of bat either. However, I have seen a video
Speaker 10: of Profar taking a ball out of the stand, and
Speaker 10: I have seen I have seen video Profar handing a
Speaker 10: ball to a fan in the stands and then that
Speaker 10: fan throwing the ball onto the field, which started the riot.
Speaker 10: And I have friends who say, you know, the Padres
Speaker 10: are a better story, and I said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 10: the Dodgers are a better story. They have the most
Speaker 10: exciting player in all of baseball. I'm not jaded just
Speaker 10: because I'm a Padre fan. The whole nation Fox, TBS,
Speaker 10: they want the Dodgers to move on. So let's see
Speaker 10: how the umpire behind Hope plate college balls and strikes tonight.
Speaker 10: I'm very interested to see how that goes well.
Speaker 2: It is a home game for the Padres. So thank
Speaker 2: you for the phone call, Eddie. Have fun tonight, Luke
Speaker 2: and Charlotte. Hi, Luke, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Hey guys, I just wanted to give a little delayed
Speaker 9: best and worst. First, I wanted to give some crops
Speaker 9: to Fritzy. I can see what he's doing with the
Speaker 9: impression that the word structure is there. The voice is not,
Speaker 9: but at least the words and how he says them
Speaker 9: are good.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 9: Worst of the weekend was First of the weekend was
Speaker 9: the Steelers choking happened last time Cowboys were in Pittsburgh, too.
Speaker 9: There's tons of best. I mean, it was the best
Speaker 9: college football weekend that I can remember for a while.
Speaker 9: And the Browns downfall is always something good to see.
Speaker 9: Speaking of college football, I was wondering what your guys's
Speaker 9: planned were for the Oregon Ohio State two and three
Speaker 9: at Austin this weekend.
Speaker 2: I'm just excited to see it. I'm not making any
Speaker 2: predictions on it right now, but yeah, definitely the game
Speaker 2: of the weekend. Eddie and del Mar said that he
Speaker 2: hadn't seen the video of Manny Machado throwing the baseball
Speaker 2: towards the Dodger Dodgers dugout. It's here, it's there. I
Speaker 2: know that. Dave Roberts said that it was disrespectful, disrespectful
Speaker 2: and unsettling. But he does throw he does throw baseball,
Speaker 2: uh in the into the dugout. Yes, balling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's throwing the ball towards like a ball boy
Speaker 4: or something, not like an attack on the dugout, and
Speaker 4: the ball kind of skips up and one of the
Speaker 4: Dodgers players kind of leads out Doug like hey, yeah,
Speaker 4: and Dave Roberts, who is not looking at all at
Speaker 4: the play on the field, he was looking down at
Speaker 4: his scorecard, backed his player and said, hey, what's this about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if there was intent there. I'm
Speaker 2: not I can see the video, but I'm not going
Speaker 2: to say, oh, he was trying to hit Dave Roberts
Speaker 2: their head hunting. I know they were upset with Flaherty.
Speaker 2: Let me see all this day and sports history. Don
Speaker 2: Larson throws his perfect game as the Yankees beat the
Speaker 2: Dodgers Game five of the World Series. Uh, Todd, What
Speaker 2: did I learn on today's program?
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