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Speaker 1: And I'm really fortunate to have a healthy immune system

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Speaker 1: This classic episode takes a look at the man flu,

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Speaker 1: along with other differences between men and women exhibiting illness.

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Speaker 1: And I remember when it came out. Men in my

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Speaker 1: everybody and enjoy this classic episode. Welcome to Stuff Mom

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Speaker 1: Never told you from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline and I'm Kristen. Kristen.

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Speaker 1: Every winter, and I don't mean to sound mean to

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Speaker 1: He's some super right, have an orange, get over it.

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Speaker 1: But apparently he's not the only one. Apparently this is

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