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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Mollie John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discuss the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And even Fox News won't air Republicans

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Speaker 1: embarrassing President Biden impeachment hearings, all bad witnesses and one

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Speaker 1: was in jail. We have such an interesting show for

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Speaker 1: you today. Minnesota Governor Tim Walls tells us about feeding

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Speaker 1: hungry children. Then we'll talk to Congressman Eric Swawell about

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Speaker 1: the vibe shift in the Vibes based Biden impeachment. But

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Speaker 1: first we have MSNBC columnist and contributor.

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Speaker 2: And my friend Charlie Sykes.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Fast Politics, my friend Charlie Sikes.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good to be back with you. It's good to

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Speaker 3: be anywhere these days for me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so you are in the great state of Wisconsin, hi, am,

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Speaker 1: where this selection will yet again come down to.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, everything in Wisconsin is closed. It

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Speaker 3: feels like every election has decided to be about twenty

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Speaker 3: thousand votes. And by the way, before we get into

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Speaker 3: all of that, I want I'll apologize on behalf of

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Speaker 3: the entire state of Wisconsin for sendra Ron Johnson. I'm

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Speaker 3: really really sorry about that. Damn.

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Speaker 1: He did make a cameo in yesterday's Hunter Biden Criming

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Speaker 1: hearing and again Lev Parnass hard to know. There were

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Speaker 1: a lot of people testifying at those hearings who maybe

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Speaker 1: were not completely ready for prime time, but he did

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Speaker 1: say that all his intel went right through Ron Johnson.

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Speaker 2: John Solomon to Ron Johnson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you you never want to be called

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Speaker 3: out as a as a complete Toty four Russia, even

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Speaker 3: if it's Lev Parnass.

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Speaker 4: It's just it's kind of embarrassing you.

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Speaker 3: Ron Johnson could have become anything he wanted to become,

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Speaker 3: and he chose to be this. He chose to become

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Speaker 3: like the doppel ganger of Joe McCarthy. Another one up.

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Speaker 3: Are great, it's going from institutions here. Yeah, and I'm

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Speaker 3: really sorry because you know, when I when I first

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Speaker 3: to be another William Proxmyer. I don't know if you

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Speaker 3: know this, but my dad actually wrote Bill Proxmeyer's biography.

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Speaker 3: So I actually and then and I gave Johnson a

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Speaker 3: copy of it. I said, yeah, you know, this long

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Speaker 3: tradition of being a Maverick in Wisconsin. You can be

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Speaker 3: the new Proxmayer. Instead, the fucker decided to become Joe McCarthy.

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Speaker 4: What can I say?

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Speaker 1: Well, yes, he has brain worms. The man has brain worms.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to say. But you never know

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Speaker 1: when a senator like for example, jd Vance, he ran

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Speaker 3: You know that one's is amazing when you think about it,

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Speaker 3: because Jade Vance is a smart guy. I see, I

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Speaker 3: don't really get upset over you know, the complete wand

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, okay whatever, Marsha Blackburn, Yeah, I

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Speaker 5: was actually thinking of it's the same, Marshall Blackburn. I

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Speaker 5: mean in that category, fine, you know, you're as dumb

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Speaker 4: Whatever we can do, you know.

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Speaker 3: But it's the guys who are really intelligent, who you know,

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Speaker 3: I can be anybody I want to be, and I've

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Speaker 3: decided that I want to be this this dark Iago character.

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Speaker 3: And Jady Vance, I mean, Jady Vance is a best

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Speaker 3: selling author he and movies made about his stuff. I mean,

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Speaker 3: to be the craziest son of a bitch in this body,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it turns out that's not so hard.

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Speaker 4: Actually it's not crazy. I don't want to apologize.

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Speaker 3: I don't mean crazy, because he knows what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: It's more dangerous than crazy. Crazy is crazy. This is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and calculated and very I think that's right.

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Speaker 1: It is this kind of brinksmanship that the burn it

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the problem. You know, whether you think it

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Speaker 3: So what does it mean when you have a political

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Speaker 3: the bare minimum. Okay, whatever else are you going to

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Speaker 3: You do not shut down the government that you are

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Speaker 3: sworn bold. And yet this has become this kabuki theater

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Speaker 3: this is great. You have a good weekend too. But

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Speaker 3: I mean this has become this theater of the dangerously

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Speaker 3: being the biggest dick in the Senate. And I am

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Speaker 3: not talking about the size of his male member here.

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Speaker 3: I do not want to be misinterpreted there.

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Speaker 2: We're getting very naughty. Charlie seikes. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: And look, you know, the whole system is a two

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Speaker 1: party system. So when one party gives up on American

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Speaker 1: whole way we do things in this country, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: is that the thing that keeps you up at night?

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Speaker 2: Because that is the thing that keeps me up at night.

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Speaker 3: Well, and it's not going to go away anytime soon.

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Speaker 3: I would like to think two things. Number One, that

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Speaker 3: you know, you step outside social media, people are going

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Speaker 3: about their lives. But the reality is is that no

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's a really good point, and

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Speaker 2: The authoritarians will stay in theres right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, I'd like to go, you know, walk

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Speaker 3: not leave people alone. Now, having said that, can we

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Speaker 3: This has fallen apart so dramatically. And I'm not trying

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Speaker 3: There's some things that are sleazy that are going on,

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Speaker 3: but it's almost impossible to write a script at which

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Speaker 3: James Comer could make himself and his committee and the

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Speaker 3: Republican Party in Congress look more completely feckless. And I

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean so the testifying from prison thing was unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump was impeached, but we're going to impeach Joe Biden. Yes,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is thoroughly, thoroughly corrupt, but everybody's corrupt, right

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Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I think wow is the operative word here,

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Speaker 1: But also you had a cabinet secretary. They voted to

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Speaker 1: and they voted to impeach him not because of high

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Speaker 4: Right, it's totally forgotten about that.

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Speaker 3: That's still going well, seriously, I mean, it's just but

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Speaker 4: We have done absolutely nothing.

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Speaker 3: We are the ultimate do nothing Congress, which, by the way,

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Speaker 4: So this is our number one accomplishment. And what oh yeah, okay,

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Speaker 4: so where's that going? Nowhere?

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Speaker 3: Hope it felt good while you were doing it. But

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Speaker 3: that's it, you know, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean we shouldn't laugh. We have to laugh because

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Speaker 1: we would cry. Yes, but it is it is really

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Speaker 1: not what Congress is supposed to be doing. And they

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Speaker 2: I mean, they really have been one of the most

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Speaker 3: No, no, I was going to say that, I know

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, Charlie Sikes, You're the best. Tim

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Speaker 1: Walls is the governor of Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Welcome too Fast Politics.

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Speaker 4: Governaball Hi Balie, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jesse and I have long wanted to have

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Speaker 2: Of like the wish list of all liberals. So you're

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Speaker 4: It's like the new Deal. We did the new Deal

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Speaker 1: So yes, you and Governor Pritzker are sort of two

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so talk to me about some of this progressive legislation,

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Speaker 1: how you've done it, and also can we talk about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, thank for bringing it up, Molly. I can

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Speaker 4: So we went out to Webster Elementary School to sign that,

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Speaker 4: That's where they're stuck right now. They don't have anything, Molly.

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Speaker 1: a lot of other states, you have a red steak

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Speaker 1: governors signing slation that makes it easier for companies when

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Speaker 1: they have underage children working, to not have to pay

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Speaker 1: the same kind of fines because likely they have underage

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Speaker 1: children working. That has been real movement in these red

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Speaker 1: states to make the fines lesser for child labor. Talk

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Speaker 1: to me about what it looks like to be a

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Speaker 1: blue state governor in that kind of America.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it feels like Victorian England. David Copperfielders. It was

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Speaker 4: a really great when showed the contrast. I think it

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Speaker 4: was the same week I signed the free breakfast. I

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Speaker 4: think the governor of Arkansas signed you know, child labor laws.

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Speaker 4: And I'll tell you what. Her picture did not look

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Speaker 4: as happy as the kids in my picture who were

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Speaker 4: organically thrilled. Look that's what they're doing, and unfortunately this

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Speaker 4: is in very dangerous business. We also are you know,

451
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Speaker 4: protein backing states from meatpacking plants. These are dangerous places.

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Speaker 4: There are no places for kids and trying to look

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Speaker 4: we're all dealing with, you know, labor shortages that we're

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Speaker 4: trying to get. We simply take a different approach and

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Speaker 4: said we're going to protect union workers and we're going

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Speaker 4: to pay pay people more and lo and behold when

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Speaker 4: you pay people more and give them worker protections, people

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Speaker 4: move to your state and start working in those businesses.

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Speaker 4: So this truly is the race to the bottom versus

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Speaker 4: the idea of lifting up and building. And again we're

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Speaker 4: making the case out here. We did all of these

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Speaker 4: things and for the first time on the CNBC they

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Speaker 4: do their survey of the best states for the business climate.

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Speaker 4: We moved into the top five, replacing Texas. Because it

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Speaker 4: works when your workers are well paid, they have paid

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Speaker 4: them in medically, they have healthcare, their children have daycare,

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Speaker 4: they have cool meals, and you have an education level. Look,

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Speaker 4: we made college free to folks that are making less

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Speaker 4: than eighty thousand dollars. Those are those working families that

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Speaker 4: we need to participate in our economy. So I agree

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Speaker 4: with you. The contrast could not be greater. And when

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Speaker 4: we start measuring this, you really start to see it.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know where the end state is for them.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how telling people forcing your kids, oh,

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Speaker 4: it'll teach them character whatever, as they lose an arm

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Speaker 4: and you know in the equipment, it makes no sense.

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Speaker 4: And we made the case here in Minnesota as Look,

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Speaker 4: it is moral imperative that people be safe, that they

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Speaker 4: be protected, and we provide healthcare for those children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, talk to me about healthcare and then just talk

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Speaker 1: to me about what you're doing on a local level

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Speaker 1: for healthcare.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we have no system that makes any

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Speaker 4: sense in this country. We spend twice as much as

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Speaker 4: the next country in terms of that, and yet we

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Speaker 4: rank what thirty eighth in maternal mortality rates. It's just

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Speaker 4: a shame and it really comes home to press here.

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Speaker 4: We've got more people ensured than I think almost any

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Speaker 4: other state, and of course we're home to like the

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Speaker 4: Mayo Clinic. So these are just recognized as the best

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Speaker 4: healthcare system in the world, which is great if you

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Speaker 4: can get in. And so what we've done is we

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Speaker 4: have Minnesota Care, which you know, folks can buy in

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Speaker 4: and need it. We expanded that to folks regardless of

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Speaker 4: their documentation status, because once again, you know, the basic

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Speaker 4: human rights of being able to take care of folks

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Speaker 4: on These are folks that are here working in proceeds

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Speaker 4: that they're waiting for a legal system that is again

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Speaker 4: takes seven to nine years to get your asylum claim process.

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Speaker 4: Would have been nice if Congress would have passed the

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Speaker 4: legislation that would make that ninety days and put money

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Speaker 4: into it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Trump didn't want them to, so of

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Speaker 2: course they.

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Speaker 4: Don't want to because they want to complain about this.

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Speaker 4: And these are in our community. So I think for

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Speaker 4: us here, what really is interesting about this, Molly, it

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Speaker 4: becomes harder and harder. What you know, we asked asking

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Speaker 4: Republicans and those who don't look at this this way,

510
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Speaker 4: is what's your complaint and what's the alternative? You know,

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Speaker 4: where where's this workforce going to come? And I think

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Speaker 4: there's a real dynamic shift happening and we'll see if

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Speaker 4: it happens fast enough the business community. The business community

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Speaker 4: understands that we need to have immigration reform. The business

515
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Speaker 4: community needs to believe, and they know that we need childcare.

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Speaker 4: That's a big issue for parents that can't find working

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Speaker 4: out of the workforce. They get all these things, but

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Speaker 4: there's sence so conditioned that many of these chambers of

519
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 4: commerce are just they think it's the old Republican party.

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Speaker 4: This is not where elected officials in the Republican Party

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Speaker 4: are at today. So I'm actually somewhat hopeful that we're

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Speaker 4: making the case that, look, not only can we take

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Speaker 4: care of people and do the right thing, and these

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Speaker 4: progressive ideas about you should have health care and food

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Speaker 4: in a safe place to live, and you should be educated.

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Speaker 4: In the long run, that's how you grow the economy.

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Speaker 4: And I think in Ministerota starting to work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And Paul Krugman had a really good piece on the

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Speaker 1: idea that maybe that this migrant served is actually maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the things that saved us from having a recession,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of an incredible idea. So talk to

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Speaker 1: me about what you are doing with the DGA to

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Speaker 1: bring this idea of abundance national a.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and I'm really proud of the DGA. You

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Speaker 4: mentioned that you've got folks like Baby Pritzker, Gretchen Whitmer,

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Speaker 4: You've got, of course Gavin Newsom, but you've got folks

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Speaker 4: Roy Cooper, you got Basher Andy Basheer at in Kentucky

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Speaker 4: and on Saturday this last Saturday, I was at the

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Speaker 4: Democratic dinner in Topeka, Kansas with Democratic Governor Laura Kelly.

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Speaker 4: These ideas work everywhere, and I think one of the

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Speaker 4: things that DGA does is we're out there to make

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Speaker 4: the case that governors are the front lines of protection

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Speaker 4: on all of these things, certainly on reproductive care in

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Speaker 4: vitro and voting rights and protections of our children and

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Speaker 4: food and all this. As Congress becomes more grid luck

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Speaker 4: and paralyzed, it becomes more important than ever to elect

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Speaker 4: these governors. It's super inspirational. See Lord Kelly, Andy Pasher win.

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Speaker 4: But now we've got to win down in North Carolina.

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Speaker 4: And so what the DGA does is it goes out there,

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Speaker 4: it supports, and we're super successful. We've defended twenty three

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Speaker 4: of twenty four of our incumbent governors over the last

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Speaker 4: three cycles. This year, we have no incomebent governors, but

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Speaker 4: we've got as I said, in North Carolina. After Rui

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Speaker 4: Cooper's term limited, Jay Insley up in Washington State, John

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Speaker 4: Carney and Delaware, we had an open seat in New Hampshire.

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Speaker 4: The DGA goes out and helps these local candidates. They

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Speaker 4: know their best message, they know what stands, but we

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Speaker 4: raise the money, have some of the technical expertise and

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Speaker 4: try and provide the support to get them elected. Because

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Speaker 4: you said it, mind, you just want to start comparing

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Speaker 4: life expectancies healthcare. Heck, compare happiness they've got to think.

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Speaker 4: Happiness in Minnesota, by the way, usually ranked second in

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Speaker 4: this and I'm okay with that because we're behind Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: In the happiest right, and you guys have some weather issues.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, COVID brought this to the front. It's statistically provable.

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Speaker 4: If you lived in a red state, your chance of

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Speaker 4: surviving COVID was greater, was lesser.

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Speaker 1: If you lived in a blue state, your chances of

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Speaker 1: surviving COVID were greater.

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Speaker 4: He shooes me. Yeah, exactly right, and that these red

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Speaker 4: state governors put you that's exactly right. We're very proud.

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Speaker 4: We're One of the things we had is we're one

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Speaker 4: of the ten states with the lowest death rates on

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Speaker 4: that and lo and behold, our economy recovered pastor and

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Speaker 4: we had surpluses. So I think we're out there making

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Speaker 4: the case that if you want to see your personal

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Speaker 4: life improve, elect a democratic governor. So if your listeners, Molly,

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Speaker 4: I'll put in a shameless plug for the DGA on

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Speaker 4: that if they want more information on these great governors,

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Speaker 4: and trust me, Like in North Carolina with Josh Stein,

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Speaker 4: he is literally running against the guy as central casting

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Speaker 4: of a marble villain. This guy is demonized the survivors

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Speaker 4: of school shootings. He's called school teachers the most evil

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Speaker 4: thing on the planet. He said, when you're pregnant, it's

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Speaker 4: not your baby, it's all baby now, just insanity.

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Speaker 2: So he doesn't think women should vote correct.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the guy is on every front. So if

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Speaker 4: they want more information on these this, if you want

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Speaker 4: to know where your impact makes a difference, these state

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Speaker 4: right races make everything. We're able to codify abortion rights,

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Speaker 4: we're able to make sure that we're a trans sanctuary

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Speaker 4: state here in Minnesota. And be clear, I ran against

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Speaker 4: a guy who had the absolute opposite opinion and all that,

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Speaker 4: and in states where those type of guys won, life

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Speaker 4: is hell. Women's life is put at risk. The vice

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Speaker 4: president was out of here last week. For the first

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Speaker 4: time in American history of setting vice president or president

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Speaker 4: stood in an abortion clinic. Abortion clinics are healthcare clinics,

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Speaker 4: by the way, that's what they're referred to. And stood

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Speaker 4: in there and talked to a young woman from Idaho

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Speaker 4: who had to travel from Idaho to Minneapolis figure out

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Speaker 4: how to do that. Luckily she had the resources and everything.

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Speaker 4: But it's just unacceptable Democratic governors protect that. So if

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Speaker 4: they want to text me here it is Molly, it's

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Speaker 4: Tim at three zero two zero one. And what they'll

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Speaker 4: do is get information on these races.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the things I've been really struck by

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Speaker 1: is the Medicare expansion. One of the things Democrats have

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Speaker 1: done when they've been in red states is they've been

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Speaker 1: able and again it depends on state legislature, but they've

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Speaker 1: been able to pass these expansions.

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Speaker 2: Explain to us what happens when they do.

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Speaker 4: That, for example, and there's two things that are the

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Speaker 4: most despicable things in the world. Using Medicare expansion, using

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Speaker 4: federal dollars. And you know, many of the cases of

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Speaker 4: Minnesota is a payer state, we get far less back

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Speaker 4: from the federal government to give a lot of these

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Speaker 4: red states get an awful lot of federal dollars back.

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Speaker 4: But in the case of Medicare expansion, you're able to

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Speaker 4: expand it to more people, make the eligibility there. And

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Speaker 4: from a person's on, the most basic level of this

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Speaker 4: is it means somebody who couldn't get access to affordable

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Speaker 4: health care does in the easiest way, and it comes

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Speaker 4: with the federal money that helps you've got to put

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Speaker 4: in a little bit on state. But there's two things

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Speaker 4: that I find the most despicable thing in the world.

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Speaker 4: They turn this down, they being Republican governors, turn it down.

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Speaker 4: And there's been a new program that is an absolute

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Speaker 4: godsend is the Summer EBT program, the Summer SNAP and

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Speaker 4: I believe it's fifteen of these states have turned it down. Now,

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Speaker 4: these are folks that my bed is is I bet

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Speaker 4: in their businesses they took VPP loans for themselves. I

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Speaker 4: bet you they take upsidy payments. I bet you they

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Speaker 4: take other breaks. But on this the governor of Nebraska said,

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Speaker 4: this just creates dependency, and the governor of Iowa said,

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Speaker 4: we don't have hunger here, which you all know is crazy.

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Speaker 4: So I think tying back to this, having Roy Cooper

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Speaker 4: in North Carolina meant eight hundred thousand more North Carolinians

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Speaker 4: were able to access Medicare at affordable healthcare, which, again,

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Speaker 4: even if you're a crul not caring about human beings

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Speaker 4: getting this, it means they're healthier, they spend less money

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Speaker 4: in the long run. At the end, more people are

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Speaker 4: able to work and take fewer days off work, and

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Speaker 4: your economy growth. When people are healthier, your economy does better.

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Speaker 4: So no, they turn it down. And it's because we

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Speaker 4: don't want the iman. You know, they don't want socialism.

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Speaker 4: It's their message. It is the most despicable and those

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Speaker 4: two programs the most damaging things they can do. But

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Speaker 4: it apparently appeals to their base. I don't know, I

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Speaker 4: don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Just cruel, right, and it's also I mean more likely

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Speaker 1: the base doesn't know that it's available to them, right,

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Speaker 1: because nobody is.

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Speaker 2: Going to turn down good point. Yeah, and nobody's going

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Speaker 2: to turn that down.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, they when they turn this money down,

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Speaker 1: it's not like they get the money for something else.

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Speaker 2: They just don't get.

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Speaker 4: No, they don't get it. And then apparently they don't care.

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Speaker 4: That's what this thing with the summary BD program. You know,

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Speaker 4: these are the worst time for kids in hunger is

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Speaker 4: the weekends and breaks, as you will, Well, that's why

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Speaker 4: they have to pack, backpack send food home. We were

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Speaker 4: at a school last year before we were you know,

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Speaker 4: got through our school meals program, and there was a

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Speaker 4: teacher talking about that she's had some of her children

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Speaker 4: eating crayon because they couldn't get enough they didn't know,

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Speaker 4: and people are assuming, oh, there's charity things out there, whatever.

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Speaker 4: These are parents that are just trying to make ends meet,

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Speaker 4: working hard, and it's hard enough to navigate government when

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Speaker 4: you're not in that situation. Your child's hungry, or you're

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Speaker 4: worrying about homelessness or whatever. I just the cruelness of

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Speaker 4: it is what really strikes me. And I'll tell you,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to make one more plug for what I

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Speaker 4: would encourage states to do and elect democratic governors. During

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Speaker 4: the pandemic, the federal government did the child tax credit.

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Speaker 4: We saw the big reduction in childhood poverty in our

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Speaker 4: nation's history. Well, we took that and put it on steroids.

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Speaker 4: In Minnesota, we have the most aggressive and generous child

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Speaker 4: tax credit, seventeen hundred and fifty dollars for every child,

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Speaker 4: no limit on that. Whether you have to file taxes

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Speaker 4: or not, you get that. We have seen over three

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand children qualified. We have returned four hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 4: And what it basically assures is in those families, for

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Speaker 4: the first time, they have a guaranteed income source to

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Speaker 4: take care of those children. It is estimated by all

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Speaker 4: measures that that will reduce Minnesota's childhood poverty rate by

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Speaker 4: a third. We're already the third lowest in the country.

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Speaker 4: We will be by far the lowest of childhood poverty

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Speaker 4: in the country. And again, what I would say is,

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Speaker 4: they'll go to school, they'll have good childcare, their parents

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Speaker 4: will pay famin medically. But imagine that mom and dad

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Speaker 4: can take time off after they have the baby to

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Speaker 4: bond with that child. We're going to have a better, healthier,

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Speaker 4: well qualified workforce for jobs of the future. So I

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Speaker 4: come back to this again, even if you don't want

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Speaker 4: to add the humanity side of doing this, it's just

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Speaker 4: smart to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesus fundamentally, you know, I spend all day talking

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Speaker 1: about politics, and the thing that I'm struck by is

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Speaker 1: that Republicans have terrible policies. Yes, like there's just not

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Speaker 1: a single policy where you're like, oh, that's actually kind of.

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Speaker 4: God Yeah, And I don't know, maybe it's we're bad

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Speaker 4: at this year listeners saying this too. For God's sakes,

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Speaker 4: how do you argue against these things that were making

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Speaker 4: the case And in the long run, you can save money,

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Speaker 4: you can have a better economy. Look if if their

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Speaker 4: stuff worked, I don't disagree with them because they're Republicans.

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Speaker 4: I disagree because their ideas don't work and they're weird.

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Speaker 4: In a lot of cases, I think it was that

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Speaker 4: it worked. I don't have an ideological dog in the

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Speaker 4: fight that I'm going to ram this thing through just

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Speaker 4: because I like it. On some things, I am, but no,

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Speaker 4: the big ones. On most of them, we just wanted

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Speaker 4: to work and they don't really have a response to it. Hell,

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Speaker 4: they're fighting here. One of the things Minnesota, you know,

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Speaker 4: we're proud we set troops to defend the nation, you know,

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Speaker 4: but we had a flag year that was pretty racist.

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Speaker 4: It showed you know, indigenous being driven out. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's manifest destiny time, and they did it. So we

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Speaker 4: got a new flag that included everybody. But oh, you'd

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Speaker 4: have thought the world ended for Republicans. Now that's their

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Speaker 4: big thing. They need to be elected this year's so

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Speaker 4: they can overturn the flag and put back up the

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Speaker 4: racist eighteen hundred flag. That's the whole Republican party right now.

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Speaker 4: It's like a ven diagram of you know, Gadson flag.

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Speaker 4: Some of that I don't get it, but I think

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Speaker 4: what we need to do, we need to do a

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Speaker 4: better job of telling people. Look, I'm a regular dude

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Speaker 4: who hates politics. If you're that guy that's out there, well,

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Speaker 4: here's how that's going to save you money. Here's how

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Speaker 4: this's going to do this. Oh and by the way,

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Speaker 4: we've got background checks and you know, red flag laws

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Speaker 4: around the guns, but you can still own a firearm,

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Speaker 4: no problem. We just don't want you shooting kids in

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Speaker 4: our schools, and we're going to try new things so

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Speaker 4: you don't. It's really not that controversial, and I don't

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Speaker 4: think we've done a great job. Apparently we haven't. My god,

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Speaker 4: my wife, my wife, and our public school teachers, and

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Speaker 4: she said, we don't need standardized testing to show we're failing.

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Speaker 4: They're still not voting for us on these things, which

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Speaker 4: I think we have to do a better job of educating.

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Speaker 2: All right, you can be her governor next. Thank you, governor.

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Speaker 4: Yes, thanks Bali, you're the best.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Eric Swawell represents California's fourteenth district. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: Fast Politics, Congressman Erics.

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Speaker 6: Wawell, Hey, Molly, thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 2: Delighted to have you back.

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Speaker 1: And also, what is happening in the United States and

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Speaker 1: representatives right.

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Speaker 6: Now, pyos chug absolute nothing that would help anyone who

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Speaker 6: listens to this podcaster who doesn't.

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Speaker 1: This morning, I was on Morning Joe and they were

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Speaker 1: talking about how they did modernize a duck stamp in

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Speaker 1: the toe. Let you go, least effective Congress right.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and Molly, I'm coming to you from the Judiciary

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Speaker 6: Committee Library, which is just adjacent to a Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 6: hearing that's been going on this morning and right now.

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Speaker 6: The top priority in the Judiciary Committee is an anti

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Speaker 6: transgender bill to create essentially gender checks for Olympic and

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Speaker 6: amateur athletes. If that's like a thing and like this

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Speaker 6: is a problem, maybe we should look at it. But

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Speaker 6: last time, I not as it relates to kids, like

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Speaker 6: they want to be safe in their school, their parents

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Speaker 6: want to get their IVF fertility treatments to start families,

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Speaker 6: and they don't want government mandated pregnancies, and we can

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Speaker 6: actually work on all those things, which are things in

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Speaker 6: the Judiciary Committee. So that's just kind of the chaos

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Speaker 6: and nonsense that is happening right now in the House

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Speaker 6: Judiciary Committee.

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Speaker 2: That sounds insane.

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Speaker 1: The thing that I'm struck by is Mike Johnson has

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Speaker 1: this ever slimming majority, right, I guess he has two seats.

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Speaker 6: Now it's a two seat majority, and if he was

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Speaker 6: hoping to make it a three seat majority, the Kevin

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Speaker 6: McCarthy seat is all screwed up. Now get that person

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Speaker 6: back in a Tuesday special election. But McCarthy's hand pick

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Speaker 6: candidate cannot get fifty percent plus one, so he goes

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Speaker 6: to a runoff. Oh wow, yeah, so it's still at two.

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Speaker 6: Ken Buck is gone on Friday, so dire for them.

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Speaker 6: But the good news is we're the only ones that

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Speaker 6: get shit done. So I mean, Jackeen Jeffries is for

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Speaker 6: all intents and purposes, the speaker, right, because we have

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Speaker 6: delivered the majority of the votes on anything that has

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Speaker 6: ever mattered in this Congress, which you have never seen

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Speaker 6: in the history of our Congress, and frankly, you've never

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Speaker 6: seen in the history of any Congress or parliament around

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Speaker 6: the world, which is the minority party delivering the majority

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Speaker 6: amount of votes.

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Speaker 1: But that's because the Republicans, I mean, this is a

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Speaker 1: function of the Bernard down Caucus, right.

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Speaker 2: They don't want government to work. They want to make

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Speaker 2: government small enough so they can drown it in a bathtub.

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Speaker 6: Right, yes, that's right, And so many of them were saying,

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Speaker 6: as we approach another shutdown, which will be avoided again

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Speaker 6: because Democrats will deliver the votes. But many of them

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Speaker 6: were saying again this week, just shut it down, like

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Speaker 6: with no plan in places to like how you'd reopen it.

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Speaker 6: But Tim Burshett said, just shut it down. We need

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Speaker 6: to send a message. So I mean that's the mindset

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Speaker 6: is to just break things. These guys would be a

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Speaker 6: great demolition crew. Probably don't want them as carpenter.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, they never were trained in carpentry, right, They

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Speaker 1: were only ever trained in demo.

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Speaker 2: So you still have to pass some bills.

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Speaker 1: Mike Johnson was installed in this job because Trump wanted

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Speaker 1: him there, right, his work overturning the twenty twenty election

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Speaker 1: and trying to overturn the twenty twenty election. If he

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Speaker 1: wasn't willing to make deals with Democrats, the government would

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Speaker 1: have already shut down, right.

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Speaker 6: And you know what, credit to him on keeping the

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Speaker 6: government open by passing these continuing resolutions that fund the government.

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Speaker 6: You know we're going to vote for those. I think

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Speaker 6: it's nuts that one hundred plus Republicans will vote against

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Speaker 6: it and That's why I hope he understands that he

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Speaker 6: should just bring the Ukraine Aid to the floor. His

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Speaker 6: crazies they're never you know, going to support anything as

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Speaker 6: it relates to Ukraine because they see helping Ukraine hurts Russia.

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Speaker 6: Russia likes Trump, so we can't hurt Russia if they

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Speaker 6: like Trump. And I'm speaking for myself here. Other press

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Speaker 6: reports that other Democrats may feel the same way. But

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Speaker 6: for the next eight months, if we're going to keep

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Speaker 6: the government open and we're going to provide Ukraine the

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Speaker 6: funding that they need, if Republicans were to try and

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Speaker 6: punish Johnson by removing him, I don't know if I

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Speaker 6: necessarily would be supportive of that.

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Speaker 4: If we're right just.

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Speaker 6: You know, doing the blocking and tacking Lang, which is

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Speaker 6: the bare minimum of what we'd be able to do anyway.

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Speaker 6: And I think the sooner he realizes that, and you know,

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Speaker 6: the sooner he has confidence that he would remain speaker.

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Speaker 6: If he would just you know, do what he believes

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Speaker 6: in and what the country wants him to do, I

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Speaker 6: think he'd be much more effective. That's not the data

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Speaker 6: that we're not going to make Hawkeeen Jeffreys a speaker

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Speaker 6: a right.

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Speaker 1: If Democrats get the majority, you're not going to want

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Speaker 1: to have Maga Mike Johnson in there. But he is

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Speaker 1: definitely much less dishonest than McCarthy.

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Speaker 6: Also has shown as I said that you know, he

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Speaker 6: will keep the government open. He's not you know, making

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Speaker 6: baseless personal attacks, you know against Democrats. And remember Democrats

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Speaker 6: would deliver the votes to keep the government open and

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Speaker 6: then we'd save McCarthy's ass and then he would go

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Speaker 6: on television and say and blame the Democrats and that's

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Speaker 6: that was why he lost the Democrat We were just like,

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Speaker 6: we're not going to bail you out, keep you in.

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Speaker 6: God if you're just throw us under the bus. And

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Speaker 6: you're right, Johnson has not done that. So again, if

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Speaker 6: I'm just thinking what's best for my constituents with a

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Speaker 6: Republican majority, well, it's to keep the government open, and

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Speaker 6: it's to fund you know, the effort in Ukraine. We're

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Speaker 6: not going to get anything more than that. So you know,

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Speaker 6: I just as I think it through, I don't know

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Speaker 6: if you're going to see a lot of Democrats willing

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Speaker 6: to throw him out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the sort of fundamental problem for

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Speaker 1: Democrats and for Republicans. Is that Democrats believe the government

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Speaker 1: can war are great and Republicans do not. So like

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Speaker 1: these Ukrainians are desperate for help. They could lose this war,

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Speaker 1: Kiev could fall.

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Speaker 6: Look that the press sure is working because you know

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Speaker 6: we have heard behind the scenes. You know that Johnson

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Speaker 6: wants to find a way, you know, to pass this legislation.

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Speaker 6: Look that the best deal was, of course, the one

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Speaker 6: that the President struck with the second most conservative in

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Speaker 6: the Senate, James Langford. You know, to do the border Ukraine,

869
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Speaker 6: humanitarian aid in Gaza and is real. That's the best deal,

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Speaker 6: that's the most comprehensive. It addresses you know, the global

871
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Speaker 6: and domestic threats and needs Ukraine. They're on the ropes

872
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Speaker 6: right now. And I think we don't articulate enough. And

873
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Speaker 6: I'm guilty of this as well. Is that the funny

874
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 6: to Ukraine. This isn't a check that we write and

875
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Speaker 6: send to Ukraine and then they cash it and then

876
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 6: we're billions you know less in our account. No, this

877
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 6: is a check that we write to us defense companies

878
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Speaker 6: who create us jobs.

879
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Speaker 2: They get our old stuff, right, don't they They.

880
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Speaker 6: Get our old stuff or they get a new stuff.

881
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 6: But it's manufactured into the US. It creates US jobs,

882
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Speaker 6: it sustains US jobs, and so we send weapons, not troops.

883
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Speaker 6: And it's cheaper to do that if we beat Russia

884
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Speaker 6: there rather than if Russia wins and then attacks a

885
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Speaker 6: NATO country, because then contractually we're obliged to send US troops.

886
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Speaker 6: And then it gets a lot more, you know, costly,

887
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Speaker 6: it gets a lot more, it gets a lot closer

888
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Speaker 6: to US.

889
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's Israel funding, there's Taiwan funding. This is meant

890
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Speaker 1: to sort of be a larger defense aid package. Is

891
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Speaker 1: that how you think it'll end up going through?

892
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Speaker 6: Or now I do? And again, what's so maddening, and

893
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Speaker 6: I think what frustrates most people at home is that

894
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Speaker 6: the majority, overwhelmingly of Congress will vote for this. So

895
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Speaker 6: it's not like they don't have the votes, and he's

896
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Speaker 6: you know, preventing something from coming forward that you know

897
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Speaker 6: doesn't have support. You would see three hundred out of

898
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Speaker 6: four hundred and thirty five members of Congress at least

899
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Speaker 6: vote for this. And so if we're not a place

900
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Speaker 6: that reflects where you know the majority of votes are

901
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Speaker 6: and where you know what the majority of our constituents

902
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Speaker 6: want then we're not really a democracy anymore, right, And

903
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Speaker 6: that's what's really frustrating.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when we look at what's happening in the House

905
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Speaker 1: right now, do you feel like there is a future

906
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: for this Republican Party.

907
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Speaker 6: No. They have shown that it's a shit show when

908
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 6: you let them govern. You know, they spend just as

909
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 6: much time fighting themselves as they spend fighting for anything

910
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 6: that they claim to believe in. They're all in on Trump,

911
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Speaker 6: and that's that's got to be quite confusing for them

912
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Speaker 6: because one day they want to ban TikTok, and then

913
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Speaker 6: Trump says, no, don't ban TikTok, and then he just

914
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Speaker 6: kind of scrambles them. And they're trying to figure out,

915
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Speaker 6: you know, what to do, how to govern, and and

916
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Speaker 6: they're not loyal and backing somebody who has like a

917
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Speaker 6: course set of principle. Right, everything that Donald Trump supports

918
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Speaker 6: he looks at first through the lens of like how

919
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Speaker 6: does this help me?

920
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Speaker 3: Me?

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Speaker 5: Me? Me?

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Speaker 6: And then they have to twist and contort themselves, you know,

923
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Speaker 6: to change their positions, because they have to find a

924
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 6: new way each day, you know, to reflect what Donald

925
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Speaker 6: Trump wants. And so that that's what is so dizzying

926
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Speaker 6: you know around this place is that it's really just

927
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Speaker 6: a law firm of attorneys who are working for one client,

928
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, and he doesn't necessarily want the same things

929
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Speaker 6: every day. I mean, he can be quite inconsistent consistently

930
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Speaker 6: you know, about himself, and so that seems to be

931
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Speaker 6: at odds with the priorities of you know what, people

932
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Speaker 6: at home care about it as so many of their

933
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Speaker 6: rights are facing this demolition crew, so many of their

934
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Speaker 6: freedoms are facing this demolition crew.

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Speaker 1: You can't talk about what you saw in that TikTok briefing,

936
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Speaker 1: but clearly it's persuasive.

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Speaker 4: Letast see this.

938
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Speaker 6: And I voted against you know what could lead to

939
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Speaker 6: the band one at the most basic level, you know

940
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Speaker 6: who bans things?

941
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Speaker 4: Bands things to start.

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Speaker 6: I didn't want to do anything that felt like there

943
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Speaker 6: was something China would do.

944
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Speaker 3: Two.

945
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Speaker 6: This is a platform where millions of people between eighteen

946
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Speaker 6: and forty are engaging. It's just a place where small

947
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Speaker 6: businesses are engaging. And it just seemed to me that

948
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Speaker 6: if we want to have a conversation about algorithms and

949
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Speaker 6: data and privacy, we should do that for all social media,

950
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Speaker 6: not just be seen as being in the business of bands,

951
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 6: and so Mammy, I say all this, like, look, Republicans

952
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 6: have a crazy, longstanding fantasy about me and China, and

953
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 6: I knew that, you know, taking this vote would just

954
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 6: reinforce like this fantasy that they have. But I still

955
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 6: voted against the ban because I just don't want to

956
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Speaker 6: be anywhere near a band, and I think there's better

957
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Speaker 6: ways to do it without banning it. And you know,

958
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Speaker 6: the President just two months ago went on TikTok, signed

959
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Speaker 6: up for TikTok. He's been quite effective on TikTok. There

960
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Speaker 6: are over two hundred million views of portions of the

961
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Speaker 6: State of the Union on TikTok. So eight months out

962
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Speaker 6: from an election, you know, that's a place where we

963
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Speaker 6: want to communicate, you know, to a very consequential generation

964
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Speaker 6: who is going to make a difference in November.

965
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that is a reason not to ban TikTok.

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00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 2: In my mind. You know, there are.

967
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Speaker 1: More nefarious owners of TikTok than even the CCP. Right,

968
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: I mean, look at X right, I mean, we know

969
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Speaker 1: what's happening there. But I'm curious, Like the argument for

970
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: banning it is that China bans all American social media.

971
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like on the times that I've known people

972
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: to go to China, they tend to have to have

973
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: another phone, right, because it is not necessarily a place

974
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: where you can feel safe about your data.

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Speaker 6: That's right, And that's why I think, you know, we

976
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 6: could go at this in other ways as it relates

977
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 6: to where data store, order, the transparency and understanding who

978
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 6: has access to it without as I said, essentially forcing

979
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 6: a ban. But it was persuasive to me, to be honest,

980
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 6: that the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee voted against

981
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 6: it as well. And that person is in what it's

982
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 6: called the Gang of Eight and has access more intelligence

983
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Speaker 6: information and threats than you know, almost anyone in the world.

984
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 6: And so that's why I just think, you know, anytime

985
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 6: we get close to a ban, it just it feels

986
00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 6: like it's a slippery slope. And by the way, I'm

987
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 6: out on the campaign trail telling people why Republicans you know,

988
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 6: want to ban books and they want body bands and

989
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 6: book bands, and I just don't generally like bands unless

990
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 6: you can articulate that the harm is completer than infriensing

991
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 6: it on speech. Right, this is a freedom election to read,

992
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 6: the freedom to vote. You know, the freedom to breathe

993
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 6: clean air, the freedom of body, the financial freedom, freedom

994
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 6: from violence. I mean, there's all these freedoms on the line,

995
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,760
Speaker 6: and I just as I said, I'm a little cautious

996
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 6: when it relates to how we communicate.

997
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. What is sort of next?

998
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you think that the Democrats

999
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: in the House understand the opportunity they have here with

1000
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 1: this do nothing Congress to flip the House?

1001
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: And do you think that they're working on it? And

1002
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: are you working on it? Yes?

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00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 6: This is you know, a good chunk of what I

1004
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 6: am working on because you know it's so tied to

1005
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 6: you know, what freedoms we will enjoy or not enjoy.

1006
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 6: And today women are facing fertility bands, you know, across

1007
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 6: the country, and Trump has appointed federal judges who believe

1008
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 6: that life begins at conception. And that's the underpinning of

1009
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 6: what led to the band in Alabama.

1010
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 2: Embryonic personhood.

1011
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 6: That's exactly right. And they think you're a serial killer

1012
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 6: if you don't use all the embryos. I mean, it's

1013
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 6: just it's nuts. And so that's what's at stake. We've

1014
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 6: got great candidates running all over the country, and that's

1015
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Speaker 6: where I'm you know, spending my time and energy to

1016
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Speaker 6: make sure that freedom wins the stuff Emperor.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, really good point. Thank you, Eric swah Wow, thank

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Speaker 2: you for joining us.

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Speaker 6: Of course, thanks Molly, No mo Fu, Jesse Cannon my

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Speaker 6: junk Fast.

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Speaker 3: The press they're saying Little Marco's and the VP running,

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Speaker 3: But my money's still on Christinome up in South Dakota.

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Speaker 4: What are you see in here?

1024
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Speaker 1: I mean, look, Christy Nome runs sponsored content. Yes, right,

1025
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Speaker 1: she does advertisement. She did one for Fake Teeth. Again,

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Speaker 1: not going to cast dis versions. I love my vineers.

1027
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Speaker 4: I was gonna say it's people who make money from

1028
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: spot con, which tread lightly. Please right.

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Speaker 1: We love sponsored content and we also love fake teeth.

1030
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Speaker 2: But we are not governors yet.

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Speaker 1: So Christine Nome is definitely in the running, Little Marco.

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Speaker 1: Few people have demean themselves so much for so little.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Trump picks Little Marco, but I do

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Speaker 1: think he gets Little Marco excited enough so that when

1035
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Speaker 1: he doesn't pick Little Marco, it will be yet another humiliation.

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Speaker 1: And yet we have to quote the Ric Goulson here.

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Speaker 1: Everything from Touches Ties. That's it for this episode of

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