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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. On today's episode, we

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Speaker 3: are going to be talking about a shocking update with

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Speaker 3: Yankee Brett Gardner's son's death investigation. A man putting gorilla

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Speaker 3: glue into a coworker soda, the Luigi Mangioni Act, a

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Speaker 3: child who died from anesthesia after routine dental work, breast

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Speaker 3: milk flavored ice cream, mystery p jugs, and more. Let's

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Speaker 3: get started with this Yankee son's death. This is so terrible.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So last week we had reported about the death

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Speaker 1: of Brett Gardner, who's a former Yankee son while they

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Speaker 1: were in Just as a quick reminder, while they were

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Speaker 1: in Coaster, they had gone to a restaurant and when

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Speaker 1: they got back, a couple family members had been ill.

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Speaker 1: They got treated by a doctor and their son unfortunately

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Speaker 1: passed away. So at first they were thinking it was

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Speaker 1: food poisoning and maybe asphyxia related to the food poisoning.

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Speaker 1: Then they said they didn't know. It was going to

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Speaker 1: be a couple weeks for the autopsy results to come back,

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Speaker 1: and now they're saying it might be carbon monoxide.

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Speaker 3: So this would make sense too, that all of these

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Speaker 3: people were sick. You would assume that doctors taking care

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Speaker 3: of these people would have ruled that out right away,

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Speaker 3: and they were convinced that it was food poisoning because

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Speaker 3: the symptoms now that they're saying this are headache, dizziness, nausea, vomiting,

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Speaker 3: shortness of breath, confusion, which is quite possible if all

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Speaker 3: of these people went out to dinner and then got

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Speaker 3: the same time, I would think that doctors would, especially

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Speaker 3: being in a hotel like that, they would have immediately

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Speaker 3: rolled something like that out, and that's why they were

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Speaker 3: convinced that they had food borne illness. I'm sure that

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Speaker 3: from people that are doctors that take care of patients

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Speaker 3: in these different circumstances, that they do have different presentations

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Speaker 3: for sure. And again, remember we were talking about how

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Speaker 3: under certain circumstances, I don't know if we were talking

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Speaker 3: about it on this show or one that we recently recorded,

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Speaker 3: but how these people with money that are in these

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Speaker 3: higher end hotels are just in general that have more

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Speaker 3: means sometimes get what we would call the VIP treatment,

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Speaker 3: which is like, let's say you and I went to

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Speaker 3: go to the hospital, right, But in this case, this

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Speaker 3: guy's a high profile Yankee, they're at this really expensive

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Speaker 3: team to see what was going on with the family.

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Speaker 3: And if they would have went to the hospital and

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Speaker 3: got were up properly, this is something that could have

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Speaker 3: been determined with blood work. So I mean, it's not

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Speaker 3: necessarily something that you could just figure out on your own,

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Speaker 3: I guess, but I would say that the symptoms, I

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Speaker 3: would just think if you've taken care of people with

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Speaker 3: a different presentation. But so now they're working that up again.

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Speaker 3: He's been dead over a week now, right. I don't

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Speaker 3: know why they don't have the answer to this. They're

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Speaker 3: saying that now there was levels of carbon monoxide in

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Speaker 3: that's what he died from. So unless they were off

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Speaker 3: the charts that they could really figure out, because there's

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Speaker 3: kind of mechanical room that was right next to the

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Speaker 1: I guess I was under the assumption that anybody exposed

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Speaker 1: I'm just confused as a lay person that he died

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Speaker 1: and other people were sick, but they didn't die.

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Speaker 3: So we're all exposed to carbon monoxide all the time.

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Speaker 3: When you're outside and you're breathing in the exhaust from

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Speaker 3: something as simple as that also just depends on what

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Speaker 3: It's just really difficult to tell what was happening in

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Speaker 3: People do that and it's fine, but that's why they

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Speaker 3: in a sphyxial death. But technically a carbon monoxide poisoning

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Speaker 3: would be considered an asphyxial death. It's just more by

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Speaker 3: be like a mechanical asphyxia death.

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought they ruled that out because they were

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Speaker 1: saying his airway was clear, But you're trying to say

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Speaker 1: that if it was a chemical asphyxiation that it would

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, because what happens with carbon monoxide is that,

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Speaker 3: like that in a circle. And what happens is that

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Speaker 3: And so technically, like asphyxia is just a lack of oxygen,

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Speaker 3: whether it's from mechanical means of strangling someone or if

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Speaker 3: it's something happening on a microscopic level with the blood cells.

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Speaker 3: So what's interesting to me, though, is that when someone

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Speaker 3: That's when the blood leaves the circulatory system and falls

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Speaker 3: and it's something that anybody doing autopsies would automatically notice

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Speaker 3: But again, this is a blood test that could be done.

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Speaker 3: I don't this isn't really considered toxicology that you should

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Speaker 3: it at this point, just until they finished the investigation.

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Speaker 1: Yet, do you think the hotel is going to end

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Speaker 1: up being responsible for thisay? One hundred percent yes, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because they didn't have They clearly didn't have any detectors

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Speaker 3: This reminds me of we wrote a case back in

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Speaker 3: the Gross from back in two thousand. In twenty two,

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Speaker 3: when do you remember when the couples had went to

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Speaker 3: carbon monoxide poisoning, the same exact thing on vacation terrible.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I was just telling you, like, we

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Speaker 1: I'm just surprised it's not mandatory when you're having an

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Speaker 3: I would think I don't think it's mandatory, but I

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Speaker 3: do see that you could use that as a filter option,

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Speaker 3: and it's set and people, you know, how it'll say like, oh,

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Speaker 3: like that. I've definitely seen that it's checked off, and

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Speaker 1: The Manda didn't even notice you caught your kitchen on fire,

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Speaker 1: exactly right, For those of you that don't remember, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was cooking a couple of weeks ago and cut

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Speaker 3: But but yeah, I don't know this. It's so scary

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Speaker 3: don't I don't really understand why the medical team didn't

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Speaker 1: You know, it just seems I think I didn't say

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Speaker 1: show we were guests on last week. I think that

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Speaker 1: a lot of times these investigators are like talking out

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Speaker 1: and they're just saying things before the reports are clean.

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Speaker 1: And we covered this a lot with the Uh Doctor

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Speaker 1: Thomas Nogucci episode we did, where it's like, it's okay

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Speaker 1: to just wait a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: I know the.

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Speaker 1: Media is crazy and everything, but would you rather wait

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Speaker 1: incorrect thing And now everybody thinks that you're not handling

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And it's just it, and it's all in

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Speaker 3: the news and the family's still dealing with this death,

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Speaker 3: and just the speculation is annoying, and you know, well, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's the worst part is for the gardeners having to

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Speaker 3: deal with this constantly coming up and it's like this happened, No,

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Speaker 3: this happened, No, this happened. Just if you did the

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Speaker 3: job right and you you know, slow and steady wins

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Speaker 3: the threes.

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Speaker 1: You know, just do the right thing, Let this family

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Speaker 1: warn and move on.

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Speaker 3: The same thing happened though in those Bahama deaths. It

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Speaker 3: was like the people were having these crazy symptoms and

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Speaker 3: unfortunately three of the four died from it. And you

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Speaker 1: I think you obviously have a sickness that you're doing

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Speaker 3: It's not considered a joke for people to unwillingly ingest

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, like we did that once for Gabe,

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Speaker 3: I like the idea of playing jokes. I don't think

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Speaker 3: I don't hate it as much as you do. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Like this one woman called and said

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Speaker 1: Do you know how many celebrities are gonna post fake

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Speaker 1: Like no, like Tory Spelling did it like a year

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Speaker 1: Well, this guy claimed that these were practical jokes too,

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Speaker 3: Funny this this really. When I was reading this, I

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Speaker 1: And this guy is and doing a fucking police department

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Speaker 1: the floor, so someone steps in your poop by accident,

434
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Speaker 1: Like that's just weird. Have it.

435
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 3: Putting drugs in someone's see that, that to me is

436
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 3: like a whole other level of putting an adderall or

437
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: viagra into a coffee is a whole other. It's poisoning.

438
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Speaker 1: It is poisoning if you put it's like the last

439
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: case too. When you're putting something in somebody's food that

440
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 1: that is not supposed to be there, you are poisoning them.

441
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: And this is not a like he was like, Oh,

442
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put viagra in the coffee pot so everybody

443
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: gets a bunch of boners, right, Like, that's not funny,

444
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: and aren't people with certain conditions not supposed.

445
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,199
Speaker 3: To get Yes, it's yes, exactly like it's and nobody

446
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: should be taking any drug that they didn't say they

447
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: wanted to take, like it's the bottom line. But the

448
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: township of north Bergen is like standing up for him

449
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 3: and saying they have full confidence in his leadership and

450
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 3: they strongly deny these false claims and allegations made by

451
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 3: disgruntled officers. Like, listen, I get people being disgruntled and stuff,

452
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 3: but this is just like such a weird specific thing

453
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 3: that why would you just make up that someone was

454
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 3: sticking a needle in someone's genitals and stuff. I one

455
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: hundred percent see this happening because I've known people like

456
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: this in the past. That just it's very weird behavior

457
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 3: from a grown up, especially a professional of law enforcement

458
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: of all things.

459
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the examples are just for me, way too

460
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: specific to be made up. And I just also feel

461
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: like if multiple people are coming forward, they must have

462
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: some proof in some capacity. I mean, of course, all

463
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: of these claims are alleged to have happened, but like

464
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: you think all these police officers are gonna put their

465
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: job on the line. It is an interesting thing though,

466
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: because if there is no proof, which I feel like

467
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five, people are able to get proof

468
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 1: of this somehow, either with text messages or video anything

469
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: like that. But it's actually an interesting thing that if

470
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 1: there is no proof, and then there's also history that

471
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: there was some kind of relationship that people would want

472
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: to retaliate against him, even if it's one hundred percent true. Like,

473
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what they do in those cases because

474
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: you can't just because people do make up stuff sometimes,

475
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Speaker 1: so you can't just buire somebody because of that, right, Well,

476
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It's just a very it's not like, Okay,

477
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 1: you're just saying, oh, he sexually assaulted me and wouldn't

478
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:23,920
Speaker 1: give me a promotion or something.

479
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 3: That it's very like these just very odd things that

480
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 3: people would say. Yeah, I don't know, he's.

481
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,199
Speaker 1: Only been the chief for a year. I think he

482
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 1: only gets sworn in as the chief last February. And

483
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: then this article is explaining that these complaints they filed

484
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: are like the first step before you could sue the employer.

485
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: So if they're planning on going forth with a lawsuit,

486
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: I'm assuming that they have sufficient evidence, because what lawyer

487
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: would take on this will be high profile police versus

488
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: like all these cops involved in this, and they have

489
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: another police department investigating it to conflict of interest, I'm like, oh,

490
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: because of the whole Karen Read thing. Now everybody's learning

491
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: that you can't just like have this department look into

492
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: their own case.

493
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Well, whatever, we'll report back if we hear

494
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: anything else, because the allegations are quite disturbing, and I

495
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,719
Speaker 3: think that he probably shouldn't have a job anymore if

496
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: it's true.

497
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if they find this to be true,

498
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: he absolutely should never be allowed to work in law

499
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: enforcement ever. Again, it's just totally inappropriate.

500
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 3: Okay.

501
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: So there was a newly proposed California ballot initiative, so

502
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: it was submitted to the California Attorney General hoping it

503
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: would make it more difficult for health insurance companies to

504
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: deny coverage, and they're calling it the Luigi Manngioni Act.

505
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 3: This is very difficult one for me to think about

506
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,159
Speaker 3: because I do think that This is a good idea,

507
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: and this bill should definitely be put forth because I've

508
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: told you that I've had personal experiences with this, and

509
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: so have probably ninety five percent of our listeners that

510
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: have had problems with getting certain things covered for insurance.

511
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 3: And part of the bill is to say that only

512
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 3: physicians could make these decisions. They can't just employ somebody

513
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 3: to make these decisions. And if they decide to delay

514
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: any kind of treatment, they would have to produce convincing

515
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 3: evidence that the medication or the procedure was unnecessary. They

516
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: can't just say, I mean, it literally just happened to me,

517
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 3: like with Lucia trying to get her a certain medication

518
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: that her rooumatologist called the insurance and was like, she

519
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 3: needs this medication, and they said, yeah, no, and that's it.

520
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: And there was no reason for why. It just was oh,

521
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 3: because that's how it is. And we were able to

522
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: get it through other programs and things like that. But

523
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: that's what this bill is meant to do. I don't

524
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 3: and obviously this should have been done a long time ago,

525
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't have taken a guy to kill the

526
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 3: CEO of United Healthcare this to happen but that's what happened. So,

527
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: and I tell you all the time, I don't agree

528
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 3: with people taking the law into their own hands. So

529
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: I agree with this act. I don't think it should

530
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 3: be named after him, because all you're doing is glorifying

531
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: his actions and that's not a good idea.

532
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what I was gonna say. I think

533
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: everybody can agree that the health insurance in the United

534
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: States is like absolutely out of control right now, and

535
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: I think having bills like this coming up are going

536
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: to help regulate that market, because, let's be honest, it's

537
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: just like totally it's totally out of control and nobody

538
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,640
Speaker 1: can get a grasp on it right now. I mean,

539
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: even like with medical insurance things that we're doing. You know,

540
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: I call I talk to the doctor, I call the insurance,

541
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: I talk to them. Everybody has different answers. It doesn't

542
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: reflect the same when I get the bill in the mail.

543
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: Why is it such a complicated system? I do agree

544
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: with you one hundred percent that calling it the Luigiman

545
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: Gioni Act is going to be their mistake because a

546
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: lot of people. While a lot of people back him,

547
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: there's also a lot of people that think he's a

548
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: murderer and it's not justified. And by naming this like

549
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: you're saying, it's exactly glorifying his actions. And I feel

550
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: like that's going to prevent this bill from going through

551
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: because of the name.

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00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I And I mean listen, if this act actually

553
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: goes through for the from the end of time, everybody

554
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: will be like, oh, that's the like it might be

555
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: called that by everybody. You don't name it, don't officially Yeah,

556
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: you can't officially do that, because then that that gives him,

557
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: That gives him that that makes it justified for him,

558
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 3: and then others will try to do things similar. I mean,

559
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 3: it's it's the whole copycat thing, right. Oh, this guy

560
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: is being held as a hero and he did this,

561
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: and now he has an act named after him and

562
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 3: things are going to change because of him. Well what

563
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: other thing is some other person going to stand up

564
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: and do like that? And I mean, I guess in

565
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: one sense, you could say, well, that's the only way

566
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: shit gets done, because there is some truth to that,

567
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: and anybody that's even against this happening, including myself, there

568
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: is definitely some truth to that because this bill would

569
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: not be here right now if he didn't do that,

570
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: because people just don't take it seriously until you know,

571
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 3: if they get punched in the face with it or whatever.

572
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you saw this this morning too,

573
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: but Laura just shared that the Attorney General is now

574
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Speaker 1: seeing the death penalty for him.

575
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Speaker 3: But I and I heard that and that was because

576
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Speaker 3: of the terrorism thing or whatever.

577
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: So I'm bringing this up because, like I really am

578
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: convinced we're gonna have a really difficult time finding a

579
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: jury in this country that is gonna convict him, let

580
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Speaker 1: alone give him death for this crime. Because even though

581
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: a lot of people can agree it was wrong and

582
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: he shouldn't have murdered that man, there is not one

583
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: person in this country that is not affected by the

584
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: health insurance openes. So, like, think about this, I.

585
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: Do, I don't know. It's just like something that you

586
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 3: go back and forth with and the death panel, like

587
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: it technically is considered like a terroristic threat because now

588
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 3: you're not only like you did this and because of

589
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: this response, but then you're gonna have other people, I mean,

590
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: think about anybody else that's in charge of these healthcare companies.

591
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: It's like they're scared now, they're very scared now, right,

592
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 3: Which that's that's the whole thing of terrorism, So I

593
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: guess that's where why they are deciding on that particular thing.

594
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: But I agree with you and like, I feel like

595
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 3: I could be open minded to it in a jury

596
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 3: just because I didn't have, like necessarily a life or

597
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: death situation. I just had a terrible inconvenience for multiple

598
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: hours and weeks of my life trying to get it

599
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: sorted out. But ultimately, like through other programs and coupons

600
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 3: and everything, my kid was able to get a medication

601
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 3: that normal cost some insane amount of money whatever it

602
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: was two thousand dollars a month or whatever it was.

603
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: But in the court, when you start hearing stories, oh yeah,

604
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: there's people that about people with cancer that were denied

605
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: life saving treatments, it's gonna hit your heart a different way.

606
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely it is. And and you're one hundred percent right,

607
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 3: because it doesn't matter if you go to an area

608
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: that's more you know, has more money, or had different politics,

609
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: anything like this is just this is blanket across the

610
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 3: board problems. Now, I think the situation would be a

611
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: little bit more different if let's say, for example, his

612
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: mom was denied life saving treatment and she died. And

613
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: they weren't independently wealthy, and they were just like regular

614
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 3: blue collar people that were a victim of this, which

615
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 3: most people that are are you know, you know, low

616
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: to middle class people that are being affected by this

617
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. I feel like people would have way

618
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: more sympathy for him. It's just a little unusual because

619
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: he was completely uninvolved with the whole thing, Like he

620
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: had enough money to pay for everything. He wasn't even

621
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 3: covered by this particular healthcare. So and we don't even

622
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 3: know like really any details of this yet because he

623
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: hasn't gone on trial or anything yet, so we have

624
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: no idea like what his reasoning was per se, like

625
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: what triggered him to do this, and so we kind

626
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: of have to wait for all that as well. And

627
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: you know, maybe it was like one of his friends

628
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 3: or something. I don't know, you know, but we just like,

629
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 3: in general, to keep order here in this country, we

630
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: should just not be okay with with someone taking the

631
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 3: wall into their hands like this.

632
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: No, they need to rename it like this is this

633
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: is an excellent proposed ballot, but they have to change

634
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: the name because the controversy behind the name is going

635
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: to prevent it from moving forward, and like you can't

636
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: be dumb enough to let that get I guess I.

637
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: Guess you could argue though, that like everybody's talking about

638
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: it because of that, and maybe that's the point of

639
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 3: the more people know about it, the more people are

640
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 3: likely to back it, and the only way to spread

641
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: like if right now, let's say, for example, they just said, oh,

642
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 3: they're introducing new legislation for this, I don't even know

643
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: if we would have covered it, do you understand, And

644
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 3: not that we're anybody, but I'm saying, like every news

645
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 3: source is now covering it because it was called that.

646
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 3: So that's ultimately the point is how many eyes can

647
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 3: see it? Right? Yeah?

648
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: For sure? I mean, all right, this story really really

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Speaker 1: is upsetting. So in San Diego, this nine year old

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so obviously, like one of our best friends kids

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Speaker 3: has to get anesthesia because he has a lot of

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Speaker 3: was a kid. So when you hear something like this,

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Speaker 3: you're like, you know, people that have to go through

657
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Speaker 3: this and this is a common thing that people go

658
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Speaker 3: through all the time, so what the hell happened? But

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Speaker 3: when you start really digging into the story, it seems

660
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Speaker 3: like there was a lot of inappropriate things happening. Like

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Speaker 3: the dentist is saying that she came out of anesthesia,

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Speaker 3: But what's really unusual is that the fact the girl's

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Speaker 3: family is saying that when they took her home she

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Speaker 3: was asleep. She was still asleep after the procedure, and

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Speaker 3: they let her take her home when she was still asleep,

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Speaker 3: and they put her in bed and were checking on

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Speaker 3: to the hospital and was pronounced dead.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't see any situation at all where

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Speaker 1: you would let a person that has not woken up

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Speaker 1: from anesthesia go home yet unsupervised by medical professional.

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I guess, as of right now, this

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Speaker 3: is the dentist saying this versus versus the family saying this.

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Speaker 3: I just think, like, why would a family make this

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Speaker 3: up like they don't. They're saying they took their kid

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Speaker 3: home and she was still sleeping. I don't really understand.

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Speaker 3: But so we don't know what the manner of cause

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Speaker 3: So do you think since it's April Fool's Day, is

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Speaker 1: I would say not so. The company Freda, the baby

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Speaker 1: a due date for a breast milk flavored ice cream.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how this is gonna go because obviously,

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Speaker 1: like I want to try it, although I never tried

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Speaker 1: my breast milk, so I don't really know what it tastes.

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Speaker 1: Like Gabe has though, so maybe we can get him

729
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Speaker 1: to try it and see if it's close enough. But

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Speaker 1: I don't think we need the details of that went down.

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Speaker 3: There was a couple different times it went down, actually,

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Speaker 3: and I won't we don't have to get into that

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Speaker 3: right now. But remember we've talked about several times like

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Speaker 3: people consuming human milk, and just that there's no health

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Speaker 3: organization that actually recommends that adults need to consume breast

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Speaker 3: milk for any reason.

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Speaker 1: No, but it seems like in this case they're not

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Speaker 1: going to be using real breast milk.

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Speaker 3: So no, it's just for I guess, for awareness and

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Speaker 3: just I mean kind of it's a genius marketing ploy. Honestly,

741
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Speaker 3: it's true. So people, do you know, like having human

742
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Speaker 3: consumption of breast milk is like a celebrity thing too,

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Speaker 3: especially like I think one of the Kardashians said that

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Speaker 3: she would drink it for a variety of illnesses and stuff,

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Speaker 3: And there's really no robust evidence suggesting that human milk

746
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Speaker 3: can be used to treat illnesses or infections. But bodybuilders

747
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Speaker 3: use it too, which is really interesting, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but does it Isn't it packed with like

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Speaker 1: like a lot of nutrients and everything. That's why they're

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Speaker 1: saying they want to use it.

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Speaker 3: They say they use it to lose fat and to

752
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Speaker 3: bulk up, and there's a whole online marketplace for it,

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Speaker 3: which is just so bizarre. I get. I don't know,

754
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Speaker 3: it's the same thing as like eating this animal versus

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Speaker 3: this animal. You know, sometimes people say, ew, goat milk

756
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 3: is gross, and you're like, yeah, but you drink cow milk,

757
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Speaker 3: Like what's the difference where it comes from? Right? So,

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I've never tried it. I just

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Speaker 3: like I never I don't know, I just never really

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Speaker 3: had an interest in trying it. But now I regret

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Speaker 3: it because I want to see if it tastes like

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Speaker 3: this ice cream.

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Speaker 1: Well it's interesting because this article is also citing that

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of women have tried their own breast milk,

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Speaker 1: while twenty nine percent of men are interested themselves, So

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Speaker 1: it is quite popular that people do it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 1: You have something coming out of your body, you're feeding

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Speaker 1: it to your kid, are you're just not a little interested.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually surprised you never tried it based on the

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Speaker 1: way you are or.

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Speaker 3: I know, I don't know why either. Maybe it just

773
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Speaker 3: was like one of those you know how when you're

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Speaker 3: if you're pregnant or some thing, or even afterwards, you

775
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Speaker 3: could like have these certain cravings for things and get

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Speaker 3: turned off by other things, And maybe it was just

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Speaker 3: one of those things that I just never was interested in.

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Speaker 3: It sucks because I had it in my freezer up

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Speaker 3: until we redid the kitchen like two years ago. So

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Speaker 3: I finally got rid of it, and I felt bad

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Speaker 3: getting rid of it, But I'm like, my kid's like

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Speaker 3: ten at this point, let's probably get rid of it. Well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this ice cream does have the potential to

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Speaker 1: be good. I mean a lot of people on Reddit

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Speaker 1: were equating the flavor of breast milk to being like

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Speaker 1: leftover cereal milk, warm vanilla ice cream, chi tea sweet

787
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Speaker 1: almond milk. So if you like those flavors, you might

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Speaker 1: be interested. And they're gonna include some nutrients like omega three,

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Speaker 1: some important vitamins like iron, calcium, vitamin B, D, zinc,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the good stuff that's found in breast milk.

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Speaker 1: So I guess this maybe will be considered a healthier

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Speaker 1: ice cream. I don't know, but just wait, like it's

793
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Speaker 1: watch it be the most delicious vanilla ice cream that

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Speaker 1: ever existed, and it probably you have to feel like all.

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Speaker 3: Awkward and getting it at the store. It's like buying

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Speaker 3: tampons or something.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking when I was writing my notes for this, like,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine like going on a date with a

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Speaker 1: guy and going back to his house and he's got

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Speaker 1: the breast milk ice cream in his freezer? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Right, you would be like, this guy is such a freak.

802
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Speaker 3: He's such a kinky freak. I'm not dating him anymore.

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Speaker 1: That's like an episode of Sex and the City, right,

804
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Like how would you feel about it? But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'll try it. If they want to send it to us,

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00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll try it. I'm put it out there, Okay, so

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Speaker 1: this new study is suggesting that artificial sweeteners, which is

808
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Speaker 1: something that's often used for weight loss, actually could trigger

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Speaker 1: you to have a bigger appetite.

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Speaker 3: So this has been known for a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they really had figured out what

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Speaker 3: caused it. But back two years ago, now May of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, the World Health Organization had issued an

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Speaker 3: advisory saying that these sugar substitutes for weight loss are

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Speaker 3: not to be used. They do not help you with

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Speaker 3: losing weight. And now they've done these extra studies that

817
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Speaker 3: have shown that people have an increased appetite up to

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Speaker 3: twenty percent more when they drink water with sucrolouse versus

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Speaker 3: water with table sugar. So they're essentially saying that you're

820
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Speaker 3: less hungry if you have a drink with table sugar

821
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Speaker 3: as opposed to having this fake sugar, because it's turning

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Speaker 3: on something in your brain that makes you hungrier. Which

823
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Speaker 3: makes sense because a lot of times you see people

824
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Speaker 3: housing like ten diet cokes a day and you're like,

825
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Speaker 3: you're not really thin, Like what's happening here? And it

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Speaker 3: makes sense, and which is scary because you see the

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Speaker 3: word diet coke and you think that it would be

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Speaker 3: like drinking zero calories, but in fact it's making you hungrier.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say I've noticed a difference because

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, I mean, I used to

831
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Speaker 1: house splendid, like nobody's business. I like the way it tastes.

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Speaker 1: I would always get it in like iced tea or

833
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Speaker 1: my coffees. And then when I had when I got

834
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Speaker 1: prescribed by migraine medication, the doctor told me to stop

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Speaker 1: having artificial sweeteners because they could set off headaches. So

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Speaker 1: I had switched to sugar, and I did happen to

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Speaker 1: notice like I was snacking a lot less during the

838
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Speaker 1: day because I wasn't having so much of it. I

839
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Speaker 1: think it's an interesting correlation.

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Speaker 3: It is, and it does make sense though, because if

841
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Speaker 3: you and listen, that stuff is in everything. It's in

842
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 3: so much things. It was in one drink that I have,

843
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 3: one of these hydrating drinks. Check those next time you

844
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Speaker 3: drink them, because they might have that kind of stuff

845
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Speaker 3: in them. You know what it is When you have it,

846
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Speaker 3: it gives you that like, really, I don't know, I'm

847
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 3: just so sensitive to the taste of it and I

848
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Speaker 3: don't really enjoy it, But now there's actual proof that

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Speaker 3: these drinks are not doing well for people. So I

850
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Speaker 3: wonder if people actually stop drinking them instead of you know,

851
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Speaker 3: thinking that they're helping with their weight loss or keeping

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Speaker 3: their weight loss down, because in fact is working against you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that this is kind of like more public information,

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Speaker 1: I guess in the next like five to ten years,

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Speaker 1: we'll have a secondary study following up to see if

856
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Speaker 1: people read this made the shift and seen an impact

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Speaker 1: on it. Well, it's just the same as everything though.

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Speaker 1: It's like back in like I always use this example,

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Speaker 1: like back in the day when I was a kid

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Speaker 1: and we went to the grocery store, it was just

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Speaker 1: like all we have were paper bags, and then all

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was like, oh, we can't use

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Speaker 1: these anymore. They're so terrible for the environment. They're cutting

864
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: down all these trees and stuff. So we're going to

865
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: start using these plastic bags. And we know where we

866
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: ended up with that, right, So it's the same thing

867
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: like back in the day when when I was a

868
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: kid and stuff, it was like sugar, sugar, sugar makes

869
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: you fat. Take all these fake there's the diet drinks,

870
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: the fake sugars, to put inside your coffee and all

871
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: this stuff. And of course now they're just like, yeah,

872
00:45:56,160 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: that stuff is you're saying, triggers, migraines. It gives you

873
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: terrible diarrhea if.

874
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: You have too much of it, like a laxative effect

875
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: on people. Now we're the weight loss thing that we

876
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 3: know that some of them cause cancer. So it's like

877
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 3: you always hear about these things that are changing. I mean, like,

878
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 3: guess what we're gonna hear it about in twenty years

879
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 3: from now, the magic drug that's causing everyone to lose weight.

880
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 3: There's just always going to be these things that come

881
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,840
Speaker 3: down the line with it that you're like, oh, you

882
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 3: know what, that actually probably wasn't better. And really the drink,

883
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 3: the drinking of the calories thing is a huge thing.

884
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: So I think if you just stick with with water,

885
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: which I think it's gross, I get it, but maybe

886
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: just like a little swig of like lemon juice or

887
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: you really shouldn't have that much either because it could

888
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,879
Speaker 3: be bad for your teeth. But like just a little

889
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 3: drop of vanilla strain it through some fruit to give

890
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: it a little hint of flavor is probably the best.

891
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: Because trying to artificially do something is not going to

892
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 3: work out, all right.

893
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 1: Let's get into these mystery p jugs.

894
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 3: So this story is so bizarre. This guy in.

895
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: Oregon goes to bring in his recycling bin and notices

896
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: that it wasn't fully empty, so he opens the lid

897
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: and finds all these jugs of p just sitting in there,

898
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: which the recycling guys like picked all the recycling out

899
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: and then left that obviously because they're like, this isn't

900
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 1: our problem to deal with. So he's like, well, where

901
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: did these come from? It keeps happening over the next week,

902
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: big jugs, like gallon size jugs filled with piss, so

903
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 1: he it keeps They keep popping up. Over the next

904
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. He finally sets up a camera. He

905
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: sees this guy in a hood with a BMW pulling up,

906
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: but he still can't see who the guy is or anything.

907
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: So eventually he knows somebody.

908
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: He knows that a.

909
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: Man is doing it, but doesn't know who. Eventually he

910
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: brings the canon and just stops putting the recycling out.

911
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: So the guy moves on to his neighbor's house and

912
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: he just keeps putting the jugs in there and they

913
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: still have no idea who it is.

914
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: It's very interesting actually when I was reading about this,

915
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: because I was thinking about like a similar thing I

916
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: guess supposed could happen in our neighborhood, and I guess, like, what, like,

917
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: what are you supposed to do with it? Because you

918
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 3: have to keep it. It's like you can't just leave

919
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 3: it on the street. I just think that they should

920
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 3: be able to call their police department and get this

921
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: handled because that it's really gross. It's kind of a biohazard.

922
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: If the recycle recycling is obviously not going to take

923
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 3: anything that's got liquid in it because they can't do

924
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: anything with it. But even if you could put it

925
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: in your trash, you know, like what happens if your

926
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: trash comes before you're recycling. You just have to do

927
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 3: something with it. And really, why is any person doing this.

928
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 3: It's just so bizarre because it's not like you could

929
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: pee that much in one sitting, so it it almost

930
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 3: reminds me of in the labs sometimes you have to

931
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: do like a twenty four hour urin, so you have

932
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: to pee in the same container for a whole entire day.

933
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: Just so they can get an idea of how your

934
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 3: kidneys are working throughout the day, and it like that

935
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 3: guy had to sit there and pee in that container

936
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 3: multiple times to fill it to that and then to

937
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 3: have multiple, like multiple days in a row, Like what

938
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 3: is making you do that? And he's driving a fairly

939
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: nice car, so you could think that he's not homeless,

940
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: and he could afford to have a toilet, so like

941
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 3: you could also just pee outside, like yeah, when you're

942
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 3: a dealing dug. It's just it's just so bizarre. But

943
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 3: it's also like this weird way to really torture a

944
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: person because it's it's like wreaking havoc on their neighborhood

945
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 3: and they don't seem like they could really do anything

946
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: about it.

947
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 1: So it's reminding me of this really bizarre situation that happened.

948
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: Like at the first I don't it's not an apartment

949
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: when I first moved out, like as a grown up,

950
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: I moved it. My friend's sister owned a house, and

951
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: I rented a room in her house, and we had

952
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: this same close front porch, and every once in a while,

953
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: this like item would show up in the middle of

954
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: the night, like a donut or something with one bite

955
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: taken out of it and be in the enclosed front porch,

956
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: and she told me it had been happening since she

957
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,760
Speaker 1: bought the house, and it was really fucking weird because

958
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: I would get home from work at like three o'clock

959
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: in the morning from the bar, and my roommate was

960
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: would go to the gym at like five thirty, So

961
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: it was happening in between three and five thirty. And

962
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: this was like before we had the ring doorbell and everything.

963
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: And it happened the whole time I lived there, and

964
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: for months after. We never figured it out.

965
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: It was probably just the roommate like snacking on donuts

966
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: before going to the gym or something.

967
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 1: It was really bizarre. But we're like, this creepy like

968
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 1: man is probably like walking up to the house and

969
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: leaving these like little signs. It was.

970
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: It's that's little scarial killer mentality for real, I know,

971
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 3: And I just don't understand the point of this. And

972
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 3: they're also just making note that the pea is like

973
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 3: very like dark and dehydrated. It's just so weird.

974
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: It's very weird.

975
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 3: If he was trying to, like I wonder like, is

976
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: it targeted to this guy or this particular neighborhood or

977
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: is it just random. I don't understand why any person

978
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 3: would ever have jugs of their pea unless they don't

979
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 3: have I don't. I don't know, because like, where's the

980
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 3: guy pooping and stuff too. It's just really weird.

981
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it wouldn't surprise me if we find out

982
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: that well, I guess not because the neighbor. I was

983
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: gonna say, what if this was like a coworker that

984
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: was trying to torture him over something he can't I

985
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: just feel like if I called my police department and

986
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: said this, they would do something about it.

987
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 3: I know they would, because you can't live in a

988
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: small town.

989
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: This person might live in a like in a bigger

990
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: town or a city, and they might just be like,

991
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 1: we have bigger fish to fry, like we're not worried

992
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: about this, but the guy had said he did file

993
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: a police report, and nobody could figure out who it is.

994
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: I'm like I would be sitting out there all night.

995
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: I feel like one of our cops would like sit.

996
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: Outside the house all night and and wait to see

997
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 3: if it happens.

998
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: Like nobody's like nobody in the hole on the whole

999
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: street is willing to sit on their port all night

1000
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: and just wait for this guy to show up. Or

1001
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: maybe it's just so random they can't pinpoint when it

1002
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: when he decides to do it, and like why is

1003
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: he picking that particular?

1004
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: Like that would seriously piss me off, really because it's

1005
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: really it's disgusting, and it's smelled like just because it's stealed,

1006
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: it still smells terrible, I'm sure, and and like to

1007
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: have to touch someone else's piss is it's just like

1008
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: it's not cool. It's just I don't know.

1009
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, when somebody even walking by my house

1010
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 1: puts their dog shit bag in my trash can, I

1011
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,319
Speaker 1: want to go out there and flip the fuck out, like,

1012
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 1: let alone seven to eight jugs of human piss. It's disgusting.

1013
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 3: I thought you weren't allowed to put stuff in people's

1014
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 3: trash cans anyway. I thought that was like a no.

1015
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: No please, people do it all the time. Okay, So

1016
00:52:57,800 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, this woman in her thirties

1017
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: got a subdermal contraceptive inplant. I think first you should

1018
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: explain what that is for everybody.

1019
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 3: All right, So sometimes you can get a birth control

1020
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: that it's it's not a pill, it's more of a

1021
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 3: permanent birth control, they would say. And you get this

1022
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 3: four centimeter long like rod that's placed underneath of the skin,

1023
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 3: so subdermal means underneath of the skin of the arm,

1024
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 3: and it is supposed to release progesterone to stop ovulation

1025
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 3: so you don't get pregnant. And in general, it's it's

1026
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: considered a pretty safe and effective form of birth control.

1027
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: And there's a certain placement that should be considered proper.

1028
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 3: It should be between the groove of the bicep and

1029
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 3: tricep muscle on the inner side of a non dominant arm,

1030
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 3: seven centimeters above the elbow crease. So that could vary

1031
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 3: from person to person, especially if people are like super

1032
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: skinny or they have super fat arms like my arms.

1033
00:53:58,080 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 3: In that case, like it just would be like a

1034
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: little bit easier or difficult to put in to people

1035
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: or to potentially harm them if it's not in the

1036
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 3: right location. So this woman had one put into her

1037
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: body six years prior. She was in her late thirties,

1038
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:17,879
Speaker 3: and she got it put in, and then a week

1039
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 3: after she got to put in, she realized she couldn't

1040
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 3: feel it anymore. Now, if you have one of these

1041
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: subdermal implants. Just because it's right underneath the skin. When

1042
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:27,919
Speaker 3: you rub your arm, you should be able to feel

1043
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 3: the little rod underneath your arm. You could usually even

1044
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: see it kind of underneath of the skin there, and

1045
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,479
Speaker 3: if you do not feel it, you should immediately call

1046
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: your doctor and let them know because they could quickly

1047
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 3: do an X ray or they could do a SET

1048
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 3: scan to see if it's there. And it's in place,

1049
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 3: because this rod is covered with a certain material that

1050
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: is called barium sulfate, which can be seen on an

1051
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 3: X ray and a CT scan like it lights it

1052
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 3: up very nicely on there, so it's very simple to

1053
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: figure out if it has moved or not. Sometimes it

1054
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: could go deeper into the skin, but in this case,

1055
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 3: it could travel to a different location in the body,

1056
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 3: which is crazy. So they she decided, like I don't

1057
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 3: know why, six years later, just randomly was at a

1058
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: routine checkup and was like, hey, I had this thing

1059
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 3: placed six years ago and I can't feel it anymore.

1060
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 3: Is that a problem. And they say, okay, let's X

1061
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 3: ray your arm and they don't see it anywhere in

1062
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 3: the arm, So then they they do a CT scan

1063
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 3: and sure enough, they find this four centimeter long contraceptive

1064
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 3: implant embedded in her lung.

1065
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe in all that time she didn't have

1066
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: any symptoms of this at all being a problem.

1067
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 3: She had no symptoms. So this is it's considered an embolism,

1068
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 3: which means that it starts at one location of the

1069
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: body and it goes to another location of the body.

1070
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,719
Speaker 3: And in this case, when it was initially placed, the

1071
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 3: probably put it into too deep into the arm and

1072
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: went into a vein which then traveled all the way

1073
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: to the heart and then went into the atrium of

1074
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 3: the heart, the ventricle of the heart, and then went

1075
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 3: through the pulmonary artery and got lodged into her lung. So,

1076
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: since it there's different ways that they can remove it.

1077
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 3: The easiest way is called endovascular, which means they go

1078
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 3: through the blood vessels and they get these like little

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00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 3: pinchy things and they basically pull it out. But they said,

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00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: since it was there for so long, they thought that

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00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 3: that wasn't going to be an option because your body

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00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: would recognize that you had this foreign body in there

1083
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,840
Speaker 3: for years and would build up walls against it, so

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00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 3: it wouldn't be that easy to remove it. She could

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00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: if she went right away when she when she first

1086
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: noticed it was missing, this would totally be an option.

1087
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 3: But for her, they were basically like, listen, we got

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00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 3: to cut out like portions of your lung in order

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00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 3: to get this out, like lung surgery, removing portions of

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00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: your lung. And she thought that the side effects were

1091
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: too risky and was like, I'm not doing that, so

1092
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 3: and this is like a difficult thing to make a

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00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: decision for. But I mean, imagine having little kids and

1094
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 3: stuff and thinking about getting chest surgery, to your chest

1095
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 3: cut open, having to get pieces or lung removed and stuff.

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00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 3: It's a little it's it's really scary. So they decided

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00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: that they were going to follow up with the CT scan,

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00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 3: and they kept following up with her. They confirmed it

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: was still in her lung, and they were just like listen,

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00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 3: like if it just stays there and you don't have

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00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 3: any symptoms, then you're cool. And if you start having

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00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: chest pain or coughing, go right to the hospital. So like,

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00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that this isn't going to give her

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00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 3: a problem in the future, because it certainly can, but

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00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: right now, it just seems to be staying there, and

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00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: she's fine with leaving it there. I feel like I

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00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 3: would be like, get this to frig out of me.

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00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, because couldn't it potentially be way worse?

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00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, but it's not right now, so I guess

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00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 3: that's what I mean. There's different things that could happen

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00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: to it. You could start having a foreign body reaction

1112
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 3: to it. I mean, I'm sure at some point she

1113
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: may have to have this addressed, but right now she's

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00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: at the point where it's safe. It's it's not going

1115
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 3: to kill her immediately like that. The next thing would

1116
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: just be like some kind of infection possibly or like

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00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 3: I said, like a foreign body reaction that could cause

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00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: like a mass of tissue to kind of grow around that.

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00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: But as of right now, she seems fine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's move on to questions of the day.

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00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: Every Friday at the at mother knows that Instagram account,

1122
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: you guys can head over to our story and ask

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00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: us whatever you want. First, have you gotten ruptured Terrie

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00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 1: due to VBAC?

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Speaker 3: Do you know what that is?

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Speaker 2: No? Oh?

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00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 1: Is it bacterial?

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Speaker 3: No? It's vaginal birth after cesarean Okay, So sometimes if

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00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 3: a woman has a cesarean section, she might want to

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00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 3: try to have vaginal birth afterwards. And the reason for

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00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 3: that is because like you should always want to do

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00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 3: birth just because it's the success rate is just so

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00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 3: much more. There's lower risk of infection, you can get

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00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: up literally like after I had my kid, got up

1135
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 3: and went to the bathroom. Like it's just like there's

1136
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: no downtime, there's no scarf, there's no risks that come

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00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: with surgeries, like infections or anything like that. So even

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 3: if you had to have a C section for whatever reason,

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00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 3: some women decide to have vaginal birth after if they're

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00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:32,040
Speaker 3: a candidate for it. And there's been a success rate

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00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: of seventy percent in people who decide that they want

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00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: to have a vaginal birth after they have a cesarean section,

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00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 3: But there's all sorts of different risk factors associated with that.

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00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 3: So they think that women who have had who had

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00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 3: vaginal birth and then had a cesarean section are more

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00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 3: likely to be successful with having a vaginal birth after that.

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Speaker 3: The biggest reason of risk, and this is the question

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01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,919
Speaker 3: that one of our listeners is asking, is when you

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Speaker 3: have a cesarean section, it puts a scar not just

1150
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: on your abdomen there that you see, but it puts

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01:00:10,560 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 3: a scar on your uterus. So when your uterus gets

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01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 3: bigger and you're giving birth, that that area where that

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01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 3: sea section scar is is always considered to be like

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01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: a point of weakness because it was cut open before,

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01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 3: and they think that sometimes just the trauma and the

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01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: pushing associated with vaginal birth could like basically bust open

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01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 3: that scar, and that happens. That's what she's asking if

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Speaker 3: there's rupture because so to answer your question, we had

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Speaker 3: a specimen like that in our lab once and it

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01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 3: was actually one of the physicians' wives that was giving

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Speaker 3: birth and they had to give her a hysterectomy right

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01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 3: after she gave birth because the previous sea section scar ruptured.

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Speaker 3: But that it is a possibility, but there's plenty of

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01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 3: and that also have a success with it. So it's

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: an individual thing that someone needs to decide. But usually

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01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 3: the obstetrician will will really recommend if they think a

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01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: person's a good candidate for it or not. There's some

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Speaker 3: other factors, like see how I had like Lilian and

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Speaker 3: Lucea within eighteen months of each other. They're kind of

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Speaker 3: like and like the further apart, the babies are the

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Speaker 3: better chance of it being successful. There's all sorts of

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Speaker 3: different risk factors. Like I said, if you only had

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Speaker 3: C sections, maybe your first two or three pregnancies, and

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Speaker 3: then you want to do vaginal they might advise against it.

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Speaker 3: So it does happen, but it's rare. I only saw

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Speaker 3: it that one time, and I've seen some case reports

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Speaker 3: of it too, but I don't think it's super common.

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Speaker 1: All right, too, if somebody does because of a suspected

1179
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: OD is a tok screening done first and they wait

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Speaker 1: for the results before performing an autopsy.

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Speaker 3: They would do a talk screen right away, so they

1182
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 3: could stick in you all right into the bladder and

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01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 3: pull out urine and do what's called the quick talk screen,

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01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 3: which would which would look for the major drugs that

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01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 3: people would take, and depending on the results of that,

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01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 3: they would want to do an autopsy. But really the

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01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: true toxicology results won't be back for a while, like

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 3: sometimes it could take months, and so they're going to

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Speaker 3: do an autopsy right away based upon what the results

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Speaker 3: of the quick talks are. It just it all depends

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01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: on what office is doing it, what medical examin or

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01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 3: corner's office is doing it, but they would never wait

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01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: for actual toxicology results because of how long they take,

1194
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 3: so you would only have quick and quick is just

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01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 3: like cocaine, opioids, things like that, Like you wouldn't. I

1196
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: just wrote about a case of a person that tried

1197
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: to take gopher killer and strict nine, and that's something

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01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 3: that wouldn't be in a quick talks because that's not

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Speaker 3: a common People don't commonly ingest that and that, but

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01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 3: that could come out in a later toxicology report that

1201
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,479
Speaker 3: would come out, you know, weeks two months later.

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Speaker 1: All right, last, what are your three love languages?

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01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 3: There's only like five. So I looked this up because

1204
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 3: I have I really don't know about this, and I

1205
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: looked it up and I still I don't know. I

1206
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: just think it's kind of domb Honestly.

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: It's just like I guess, out of the five which

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01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,400
Speaker 1: is affirmation, quality, time, physical touch, acts of service, and

1209
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: receiving gifts, it's like what you are most receptive to

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01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: all of it?

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01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 3: I don't, Yeah, I just don't. I don't know. Like

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01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 3: I was trying to do this before we answered this

1213
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 3: question for you guys, Like I went on the website

1214
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 3: and there's like a test and it was asking questions

1215
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 3: and it's like would you rather receive a nice text

1216
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 3: message or would you rather have a hug? And I'm like,

1217
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: I want both? Like is that I don't like I

1218
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 3: couldn't pick one or the other because I like, me

1219
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 3: and Gabe do this thing every day, like multiple times

1220
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 3: a day, because we saw this like Instagram post a

1221
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,400
Speaker 3: real a while back that was just talking about like

1222
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 3: hugging and having like a connection for forty seconds and like,

1223
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 3: and we just do it every day as a joke,

1224
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: like we will just say, like, oh, has it been

1225
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 3: forty second? Jets you feel the love connection we're having

1226
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 3: right now and stuff like that. So I enjoy I

1227
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 3: enjoy that, But I also enjoy him leaving me notes too,

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01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 3: So I don't. I don't know, Like I just I

1229
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 3: can't pick one or the other. I think that the

1230
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: gift thing, I guess I would say is my least likely.

1231
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 3: I'd rather get the other stuff. But like Gabe does

1232
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:44,479
Speaker 3: my laundry. I love that. That's awesome, but he leaves

1233
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 3: me no. I mean, I don't know, Like I don't

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01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 3: there's not one that I like more than the other.

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01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: I guess it's just.

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you should have a significant other

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01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: that gives you some of everything, not just one thing.

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01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, like you're saying, like I'm an agreement with you,

1239
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: where like I want a little bit of everything, Like

1240
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: with the affirmation, I like, you know, my husband tells

1241
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,960
Speaker 1: me every day I'm beautiful, and he tells me he loves.

1242
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 3: Me every day.

1243
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: But I don't need him to be obnoxious about it.

1244
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: At the same time, I know that because we're married

1245
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: and I know he loves me, and these things are beautiful,

1246
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And say with like other things,

1247
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: like I do respond really well to quality time, but

1248
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 1: I also want my own quality time with myself everything,

1249
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:30,400
Speaker 1: you know. I I thought it.

1250
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 3: Was weird that there was a chart that was like

1251
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 3: telling you to find out what your significant other's love

1252
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 3: language was and telling you things like not to do.

1253
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 3: And I'm like that that's kind of like weird, right,

1254
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just I just thought it was

1255
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 3: it was just weird to just make somebody, oh, do

1256
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 3: this instead of this. I'm like, well, I don't really

1257
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 3: want somebody to not be authentic because they're trying to

1258
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 3: like cater to my needs. It's kind of weird. Yeah,

1259
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:00,360
Speaker 3: I don't think.

1260
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: I think you and I just don't really get it.

1261
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 1: I feel like a lot of people that are like

1262
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: super into like zodiac stuff, this.

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01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 3: Is in their realm, and I'm all sorry, so I'll

1264
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 3: have to ask. I have my my sister in laws

1265
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 3: into the zodiac stuff, so let me ask her if

1266
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 3: she's into the love language thing.

1267
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: I people say it before. I just like never. I

1268
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: just like never.

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01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,479
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just don't. I don't really care.

1270
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 3: Maybe I should care more. I don't know.

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01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: I'm just like, be nice to me and we'll go

1272
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: from me. It changes every day too, like you know,

1273
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: like one day you might want more affection or notes whatever.

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01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's crazy to have to pick one

1275
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: thing and listen. I'm I'm not gonna say here next.

1276
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't like gifts. I mean, I don't need

1277
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: like a Chanel bag, but I like when I bought

1278
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: like coffee once in a while and just little little

1279
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: things here and there. All right, Well, thank you guys

1280
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,840
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1281
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:01,920
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1282
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1283
01:07:05,960 --> 01:07:07,840
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01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 3: Thanks guys, see you later in the week.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to Mother Knows Death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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Speaker 2: I am not a doctor and I have not diagnosed

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Speaker 2: or treated anyone dead or alive without the assistance of

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Speaker 2: a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, and social

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Speaker 2: media accounts are designed to educate and inform people based

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Speaker 2: on my experience working in pathology, so they can make

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Speaker 2: healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. Always remember

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Speaker 2: that science is changing every day and the opinions expressed

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Speaker 2: in this episode are based on my knowledge of those

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Speaker 2: subjects at the time of publication. If you are having

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Speaker 2: a medical problem, have a medical question, or having a

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Speaker 2: medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit an urgent

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Speaker 3: Thanks