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Speaker 1: Good morning, sweeerld and welcome to the Nodungs Podcast presented

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Speaker 1: Everybody next to him, it's the Bearded Woman, Top shot Boy,

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Speaker 1: Trey Kirby, Hey hey yo ooh, and over Yonder making

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now. On tomorrow's podcast is

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Speaker 1: when we'll do our Conference finals previews and predictions both

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Speaker 1: the East and the West. That's on Tuesday. Today we

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Game seven, which was a blowout.

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Speaker 1: You can look ahead to the Nuggets off season and

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Speaker 1: their decisions that they'll have to make, and maybe get

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Speaker 1: into a little NBA news. But let's start that game.

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Speaker 1: After a shaky first quarter, Game seven was never in

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Speaker 1: doubt for Oka. See. The Thunder swarmed the Nuggets defensively.

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Speaker 1: They forced twenty two turnovers to run away one twenty

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Speaker 1: three ninety five. So the top seeded Thunder will host

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Speaker 1: the Timberwolves starting Tuesday, the West starting before the East,

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Speaker 1: even though the West wrapped up later than the East

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Speaker 1: there in the second round. Very weird, okac's first trip

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Speaker 1: to the conference finals since twenty sixteen. TK. We'll start

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Speaker 1: with you here this morning. Take away from the Thunder

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Speaker 1: laying the SmackDown on the Denver Knights.

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Speaker 2: It's all about that second quarter. Yeah, I kind of

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Speaker 2: think when it comes to basketball games, the game is

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Speaker 2: very rarely won or lost in the second quarter. Seems

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Speaker 2: like the least essential quarter to me as we're talking.

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Speaker 2: But as we saw in Game six, same thing in

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Speaker 2: Game seven. Oklahoma City came out. They were a little nervous,

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Speaker 2: I've thought in the first quarter here, they missed ten

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Speaker 2: of their first fifteen shots, couldn't stop fouling. You'll kept

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Speaker 2: going to the line, Aaron Gordon was getting things done inside.

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Speaker 2: But then at the end of the first quarter, honestly,

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Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook checked in, started turning the ball over. Then

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Speaker 2: Julian Strawther checks in at the start of the second

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Speaker 2: quarter starts turning the ball over. Still though a one

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Speaker 2: point game with three minutes left in the end. At

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Speaker 2: the end of the half, an eighteen to five run

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Speaker 2: for Okasee turned a forty six to forty five game

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Speaker 2: into a sixty to forty six game. And then they

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Speaker 2: came out in the third quarter and it was all

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Speaker 2: the same, okay, So he just needed to settle into

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Speaker 2: the game, figure out their defense, and start forcing turnovers.

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Speaker 2: Once they started forcing turnovers, they got into such a

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Speaker 2: good rhythm running that it was basically unstoppable transition basketball

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Speaker 2: from them. Alex Caruso, though, this guy gets the absolute

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Speaker 2: game ball plus forty in twenty six minutes. People say

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Speaker 2: single game plus minus not always the case, doesn't always

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Speaker 2: tell the truth. This one did. Yeah, he got the

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Speaker 2: start in the second half as well. It was just

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Speaker 2: varsity basketball one oh one. That team has a huge guy.

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Speaker 2: We can't let him get the ball. So he was

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Speaker 2: doing his work early. He was fronting the post. Credit

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Speaker 2: to everybody else on the OKC defense who was pressuring

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Speaker 2: helping on the backside as well. Not to mention, Caruso

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Speaker 2: of the zone for the Nuggets. He just played a

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Speaker 2: perfect game, got the start in the second half, kept

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a totally different game from after that

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Speaker 4: first quarter because it look like the Nuggets were ready

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Speaker 4: it was a different second quarter. I want to give

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Speaker 4: turned around. In the second quarter, I said, whoa okay

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Speaker 4: See has come back to take a lead here. What

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Speaker 4: a change it was, because you don't you often see that,

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Speaker 4: as you said Tree in a second quarter like that,

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Speaker 4: It really inspired guys. OUs Cruser, yes, is the guy

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Speaker 4: who changed things went. He went that typical like textbook

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Speaker 4: physical if you're a guard, and you can get away

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Speaker 4: with it at times. I know Nuggets fans are very mad, right,

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Speaker 4: you know they got away with too many fouls. But

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Speaker 4: what he did was increase the athleticism of Oka See

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Speaker 4: the first quarter things weren't right for okay See, like

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Speaker 4: Shay couldn't find heart and shign on an alley oup.

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Speaker 4: You saw Aaron Gordon get behind caseen walls after he

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Speaker 4: got inserted with a back door cut. You saw Jaylen

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Speaker 4: didn't know where to go and just threw it out

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Speaker 4: after Crusoe came in. These guys showed what their capability

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Speaker 4: is defensively and offensively. They just got way smarter. Like

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Speaker 4: Jaylen Williams went from a different guy even in this game.

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Speaker 4: First quarter scoreless minus eleven, second quarter seventeen freaking points. Now,

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Speaker 4: they got some roles, including Jalen Williams shot right before

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Speaker 4: the second quarter ended a nice role on his shot

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Speaker 4: home court matage matters a little bit. You get things

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Speaker 4: I mean dork grabbing balls on the offense and Cason

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Speaker 4: Wallace duncan on frickin' Nikola jokicch and Cason Wallace had

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Speaker 4: were different. They started driving, and yeah, they had a

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Speaker 4: great effort defensively. Okay see. I collected twelve points off

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Speaker 4: and you could just see, you know, Yes, Jokic was

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Speaker 4: but everybody guilty of turning this thing over. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 4: everybody going through it. It was wild to see. Aaron

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Speaker 4: Gordon had four turnovers, Jokic had five turnovers, Brown had

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Speaker 4: two turnovers, Murray had two turnovers, Westbrook had four turnovers,

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Speaker 4: Peyton Watson had two turnovers. Strawther had three turnovers. And

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Speaker 4: all that to say Jabel was needed. Jamal Murray was

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Speaker 4: really needed in Aeron Goen's condition, and he did not

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Speaker 4: show up in Game seven. This was not a good

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Speaker 4: Jamal Urray game. I know Michael Port Junior also stunck,

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Speaker 4: but Jamal Murray just didn't have it. And the defense

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Speaker 4: number two to be playoff je Jamal Murray. It did

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Speaker 4: not show up. Kudosk okay see for that. Obviously, this

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Speaker 1: Most okay see looked like. The sixty eight win team

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Speaker 1: from the regular season. But is what they did all

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Speaker 1: regular season. This is how they nearly won seventy games.

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Speaker 1: It was this relentless defense, obviously getting in transition, scoring

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Speaker 1: easy buckets. Shay, I mean, let's not gloss over what

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Speaker 1: he did, even though everybody is because it's all about

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Speaker 1: the defensive talk.

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Speaker 2: I get that.

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Speaker 1: But thirty five points, twelve to nineteen, shooting three boards,

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Speaker 1: forces three steals, a block, zero turnovers in thirty six

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Speaker 1: That's like a that's a damn good game seven obviously

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Speaker 1: when the pressure is very high on this young thunder team.

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Speaker 1: So that's great. But you said, I mean to go

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Speaker 1: back to Caruso, like that is a defensive masterclass for

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Speaker 1: the guy that's giving up five or six inches one

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Speaker 1: like you're seeing a lot like Caruso just stopped Jokic.

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Speaker 1: That's not really the case at all. It was Caruso

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Speaker 1: doing that early work. And then you said it there, Trey,

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Speaker 1: it's all these guys putting relentless help coming over and

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Speaker 1: relentless pressure. I think we got to point out on

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you see a lot. I mean, I know

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Speaker 1: Matt Moore had a tweet that went viral about the

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Speaker 1: reason Caruso on Jokic works is because how the NBA

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Speaker 1: to watch him trying to figure it out. But like again,

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Speaker 1: I just keep coming back to like Russo, Yeah, he

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Speaker 1: when nobody can hit a shot, yes on the Dumbver Nuggets,

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Speaker 1: like nobody was contributing, and Aaron Gordon obviously for because

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Speaker 1: of reasons with his hamstring, but no, Jamal No, Michael

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Speaker 1: Porter Jr. Brown was good for eight minutes. He was great.

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Speaker 4: He had a good series.

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Speaker 1: He had a great series, but there was no best

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Speaker 1: playoffs for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that could have been what Jokic was saying

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Speaker 4: he's ever been, probably saying like, hey, they're all over me. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: more about the Nuggets players, but yeah, obviously Crusoe got

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Speaker 4: under his skin, that's for sure. But it also just

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Speaker 4: made the Thunder defense just play awesome, incredible, right.

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Speaker 2: They forced twenty three turnovers that turned into thirty seven points,

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Speaker 2: and they were getting so many transition baskets that by

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Speaker 2: the end of the game it was not even turnovers.

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Speaker 2: It was like if Denver missed the shot, it was

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Speaker 2: twenty seven layups and dunks in this game, and it

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Speaker 2: was kind of just like they realized, there's no way

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Speaker 2: these guys can catch us. Yoki is gonna be the

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt. Yeah, Jason Willis was really good and

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Speaker 4: they did. But I thought the Thunder did. The Nuggets

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Speaker 4: did too. As you said about Jokic, like he gets

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that final three minutes in the first half,

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Speaker 2: How many defensive player of the years does Draymond Green.

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Speaker 2: You could call an offensive foul if you really wanted to,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was a game seven the one more

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Speaker 4: Denver had sixteen free throws. Well, okaysee had five. They

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're working for it and we're going through

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Speaker 4: Totally.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna win a game seven, let alone any

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Speaker 2: thunderbolts on defense, they get that play, they cut to

429
00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,360
Speaker 2: the guy in the in the Nuggets gear a thunder

430
00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:22,359
Speaker 2: avalanche shot. He was trying out stuff, so he's like,

431
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,440
Speaker 2: what are we gonna call this? It's gotta be thunderstorm

432
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,119
Speaker 2: thunders nice, it's good. Yeah, it was brilliant there in

433
00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:28,840
Speaker 2: the second quarter.

434
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I like a thunder roll when they get a

435
00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,800
Speaker 4: great bounce on an offensive shot. That sure there should

436
00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 4: get a roll going in the arena because they had

437
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,840
Speaker 4: plenty of those. Like I said the Jalen Williams one.

438
00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,440
Speaker 4: I also like Trey Young's tweet that came out hot

439
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,359
Speaker 4: take but not okay, See fans are louder than Nick fans.

440
00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,679
Speaker 4: Happy Sunday going at Yes fan there we go, very funny.

441
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,680
Speaker 4: Probably grew up a thunder fan, right, yeah, yeah, sure

442
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,199
Speaker 4: he was going to games. Yeah yeah, he was in

443
00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:57,440
Speaker 4: the upper bowl apparently.

444
00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 1: And look, maybe it's true. I mean that's like fans

445
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 1: is incredible, Like they are awesome. I said on the

446
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,359
Speaker 1: greatest place to watch a basketball game is Madison Square.

447
00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,240
Speaker 1: Good and stand on that, but holy crap, okayse is

448
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,199
Speaker 1: loud as hell to It's got that college atmosphere. It

449
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,120
Speaker 1: just is rocking like that. Any other random notes from

450
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Speaker 1: Sunday Afternoons Game seven.

451
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Speaker 2: This is another officiating note just because it's weird. Okay,

452
00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:25,240
Speaker 2: So I think it was game six. We had j

453
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,240
Speaker 2: dub elbows Jamal Murray in the face out on the perimeter.

454
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,160
Speaker 2: You know, Murray's up in yep him defensively, he's clear

455
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,399
Speaker 2: in space, hits him in the face, gets called a

456
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 2: common foul. They say it's a basketball fine, fair enough.

457
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 2: Same exact thing happened yesterday. It was Aaron Gordon being

458
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 2: pressured out on the left wing by Shaegil just Alexander

459
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: who's all over him again, you know, basically face to face,

460
00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 2: clear space flagrant on Aaron Gordon. Yeah, what is the

461
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,400
Speaker 2: offensive player? Supposed to do right in that scenario.

462
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 4: Right.

463
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Speaker 2: That's another thing where it's like, if you're the smaller

464
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,159
Speaker 2: guy and you're being a pest, you're getting away with

465
00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: it because it's gonna take forever for them to call

466
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,959
Speaker 2: a foul on you reaching your arms in Like that

467
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,760
Speaker 2: was a foul on Shay for sure, it was a

468
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 2: foul probably on Murray and the last one as well.

469
00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,720
Speaker 2: But you're taught to use your arm and your elbows

470
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: to clear space. I don't really know what the offensive

471
00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 2: player is supposed to do in that scenario because.

472
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Speaker 1: These guys are just yeah, they're just chucking their head

473
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 1: in there and just getting excited me in the face. Yeah,

474
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 1: it's like almost like a batter with just covering the

475
00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,919
Speaker 1: plate Barry Pond style. It's like, what are you gonna do?

476
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 1: I guess just hit me. I'm covered in armor. I'm

477
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: just gonna take my base. But uh, yeah, do you

478
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,159
Speaker 1: have an opinion on it is? I'm with you. It's like,

479
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: what is the guy supposed to do? Because that like

480
00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: he's not maliciously trying. It didn't look like to me

481
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: he's doing what you're taught to do. He's like, yeah,

482
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: clear some space. There, but what do you think.

483
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's a thing that when it's video reviewed

484
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 4: and it's in slow mo, you see a guy's face

485
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:52,840
Speaker 4: go flailing. So the rest are like, uh, it is

486
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Speaker 4: something that I think the board of governors in the

487
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 4: league will look at this offseason. As the broadcaster said,

488
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 4: maybe we should look at that and try and figure

489
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Speaker 4: out out a balance here, because an offensive player has

490
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 4: to be able to turn. This is a sport. You

491
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 4: should be able to turn and look, I mean he

492
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 4: can't be right up in his shirt, literally in his

493
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 4: shirt and make a decision. Richard Jefferson was on the

494
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 4: call and said guys should be able to turn, but

495
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 4: then they overturned the Colin rich Ever's like, okay, I

496
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 4: guess it's.

497
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Speaker 1: You see the replayer. Well yeah, but in real time

498
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 1: you're like, okay, what's.

499
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 4: He supposed to do? Yeah, that's totally true.

500
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Speaker 1: Any other notes tasking on anything for.

501
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Speaker 4: Us, Well, I do want to say Doris Burke said

502
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 4: that Alex Caruso said, my whole career has been a

503
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 4: Game seven and you know, yeah, it's a bar.

504
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 1: It was great.

505
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Speaker 4: I was looking for the actual video of him saying that.

506
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 4: I couldn't find it anywhere I guess. I guess he

507
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,360
Speaker 4: said it somewhere. I don't know pre game course, but

508
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 4: it's totally true. I think his career became a game

509
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 4: seven when he decided that he was going bald I

510
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,640
Speaker 4: think that was his his demarcation. I'm starting to take

511
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 4: my profession seriously. I'm gonna shave my head and I'm

512
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 4: going to be a new player. And that's the only

513
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 4: thing that stand that separates I think Alex Caruso when

514
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: we saw him in Summer League and he was trying

515
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 4: to do things for the Los Angeles Lakers, and he

516
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 4: looked like this ball handling guard and things definitely changed

517
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 4: for him when he joined Lebron and friends and became

518
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 4: this incredible player. So that was it. That was the

519
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Speaker 4: line for me. That Harry Man, that was bald Man.

520
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: He looks good. He looks good now. I think he's

521
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 4: put it all together.

522
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Speaker 1: Sam Presty won Executive of the Year, right, Yeah, yeah, okay,

523
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: good because this was an amazing trade going to get

524
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 1: Caruso for Giddy. Pretty good work there, Sam, because he

525
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: just helped you move on to the conference finals and

526
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: who knows where they go from here. And he's gonna

527
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 1: he might even get more opportunity as this goes on,

528
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 1: because the guy's been a huge difference maker.

529
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Speaker 4: Yeah but yeah he start second has as he did

530
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: in this game seven, so they'll still they decide, Okay,

531
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Speaker 4: we got to sit somebody play him barkdag.

532
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: Well, he's shortened the bench. He we didn't see Jayalen

533
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 1: Williams for any part of that game and when it

534
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 1: was competitive, so he got rid of him out of

535
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: the rotation and he was allowed to do that. He

536
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 1: like was sitting his two bigs at times because he

537
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 1: was like we're going super small with the russo out

538
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: there being able to guard Yokid. So yeah, because he

539
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: really just played Caruso, Cason Wallace and then Wiggins was

540
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 1: playing it actually, I mean you missed a couple of

541
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: threes there, but was scoring as well. Did hit some threes.

542
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: I thought he was also active defensively, even for him,

543
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 1: So good stuff from Diagnolt there. I thought in a

544
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: game seven, like, yeah, let's just go with these guys.

545
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 1: And a big part of that was because they were

546
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 1: dogs defensive. It was like just a pack just just

547
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: as soon as your kids would get the ball, there's

548
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 1: six hands slapping away, going at him and yeah, nobody

549
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: when he could get it to somebody else, nobody could

550
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: hit a shot.

551
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Speaker 4: Shout out to the SPN broadcast crew that was ready

552
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,360
Speaker 4: for a blow, because often in a blow, the broadcasters

553
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 4: need to talk about something to hear that story about

554
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 4: Sam Presty signing Kurt Thomas when he was early in

555
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: his executive days and picking him up in Kurt Thomas like,

556
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 4: who are you? He said, well, I run the front office.

557
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: That was a cool story. I hadn't heard that. I

558
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 4: guess i'd heard that maybe a long time ago. Kurt

559
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 4: Thomas said that, But shout out dB sharing that story,

560
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 4: I do believe. Or was Mike Breen? Yeah what somebody?

561
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Speaker 1: Let's talk a little here about the Nuggets offseason. Do

562
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: you guys think it'll be mere hours if not whatever

563
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: days weeks? I don't know how quickly will they take

564
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,919
Speaker 1: the interim tag off David Edelman or do you think

565
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: they will go and try and find a new coach.

566
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: What's your read on that?

567
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 2: I think Adamman's definitely earned it. I mean, the Nuggets

568
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 2: played pretty uninspired basketball leading up to Michael Malone and

569
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Speaker 2: Calvin Booth being fired. They went a whopping three and oh,

570
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 2: I saw it called a perfect three, and oh, after

571
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 2: David Adelman took over. But look, they won a seven

572
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: game series. Then they took the best team in the league,

573
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 2: sixty eight win team, they had them. You know, they

574
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: went to a seven game series. There are times I'm

575
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Speaker 2: sure the Nuggets could argue we should have won that series.

576
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: Obviously the Thunders think so as well, but it was

577
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 2: close up until three minutes left in the second quarter

578
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 2: of Game seven, so certainly they bought in on him.

579
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 2: If Jokic likes Adalman, that's really all that matters. But

580
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: they're going to need to hire a very creative general manager.

581
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Speaker 1: I do believe, yes, there is a vacancy there in

582
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: the front office because he said booth God obviously can

583
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 1: when Michael Malone did, and so somebody will have to

584
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: do that. You inherit a roster task that does return

585
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of players, but you know it's top heavy

586
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,919
Speaker 1: and salary. Jokic, Jamal Michael Porter Junior, and Aaron Gordon

587
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: I think are like eighty two percent of their payroll.

588
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: And then their whole issue has been for for some

589
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 1: time now, is like, Okay, who is there any bench.

590
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: Can we trust any of these guys, either our own

591
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 1: guys with internal development, or can we go and make

592
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: a deal to sort of like trying its more bodies

593
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: in here, And I don't know if you have any

594
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: idea what that would be. It feels like you would

595
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: try and trade Michael Porter Junior, but I'm not sure

596
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: what sort of trade value he would return with his contract.

597
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 4: I don't know.

598
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: That's a tough spot they're in here.

599
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 4: I think they are. Yeah, they've got to hire somebody

600
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 4: great to hire them to work the front office. That

601
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,119
Speaker 4: is the number one I'll forget about a coach. David

602
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 4: Adaman is probably going to be there, I think. So

603
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 4: this problem here with the roster is Jamal Murray does

604
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: not look like playoff Jamal anymore to be that number

605
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 4: two guy, to be a guy who carries you besides Jokic.

606
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 4: But he is paid four years max for these next

607
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 4: four years to go along with Jokic's big salary. So yeah,

608
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 4: it's going to be very difficult when you're so top

609
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 4: heavy financially and you're not really getting that performance out

610
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 4: of your number two guy. You probably are looking at

611
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 4: Michael Porter Junior's two years left on his deal to

612
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 4: try and get probably multiple parts because they have a

613
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: depth problem and I think they have a number two

614
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 4: problem at times to take them to the next level.

615
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 4: Even though they did over I want to say overachieved,

616
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 4: they did do well to get to the second round

617
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 4: against sixty eight win team. That being said, I don't

618
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 4: know what Porter is going to listit in terms of

619
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 4: multiple guys. That's a tough ask. This is a very

620
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 4: very very tough job. And maybe you just got to

621
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: be able to find somebody like Hope, you're the that

622
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 4: Calvin Booth did, like Sarch and Westbrook, like somebody like

623
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 4: that that's cheaper at the end of the bench turns

624
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,479
Speaker 4: into somebody who's great. I think they got to go

625
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: multiple parts here for because they have too many problems.

626
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 4: They really got to get deeper.

627
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: They can't even attach like a first round pick to

628
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: Michael Porter Junior and that contract to get some sort

629
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: of talent back because they didn't have any.

630
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: Well, they've got them in thirty one and thirty two.

631
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: They can swap twenty six, twenty eight and thirty like

632
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: those are picks that you can attach. I actually give

633
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior a lot of credit for playing through

634
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: his arm injury. He finally didn't have a pad on

635
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: last night, so at least he's turning the corner. But

636
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 2: unfortunately other NBA teams were probably watching the playoffs as well.

637
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: He didn't have a great playoffs. But he's the guy

638
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: they have to look at trading, and he should be

639
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: traded for two players is the key. They need to

640
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: turn one big contract of a guy who's never going

641
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 2: to make an All Star team into two contracts of

642
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: guys who actually will maybe be part of the team.

643
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what happens with Milwaukee and Giannis going forward,

644
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: but there's some guys there who would help. Like Kuzmak

645
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 2: would help the Nuggets, believe it or not. He's Michael

646
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 2: Porter junior, but a little bit faster. I think maybe

647
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: a Bobby Porters, maybe Gary Trent Junior, who knows there

648
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: are some players out there you want. Vooch and Pat

649
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: Williams make that deal happen made a backup center, need

650
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: some wing defender and a guy who shoots once a game.

651
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: But in reality, this team is gonna look very similar,

652
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: I think, to what they look like this year, and

653
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: they still went to seven games. They're still on the

654
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 2: edges of championship contention. So hiring the coach, assuming it's Adaman,

655
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: is going to be huge. Michael Malone was not a

656
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: player development coach. Maybe David Adalman is. Because Christian Brown

657
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: took a step this year. For sure, he was a

658
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: great player. His next step is like dribbling, doing a

659
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: little bit of self creation. It feels like all of

660
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 2: his baskets come off assists from Jokic. But if he's

661
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: able to take another step that definitely helps the Nuggets.

662
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: Then you need guys like Watson, Pickett and Strather to

663
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: make a leap like Christian Brown made. And the offseason,

664
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Speaker 2: you gotta hope Deron Holmes, their rookie they drafted last

665
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: year to be Yokich's back up, got hurt in summer League.

666
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: You have to hope he can play a little bit.

667
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: And honestly, Jamal Murray and needs the sh up ready

668
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: to play. Yeah, he needs to make an All Star

669
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Speaker 2: team because if you're paying a guy four years, two

670
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: hundred and eight million dollars, he can't just be a

671
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: good player in the playoffs five games. You didn't have

672
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: a good playoffs. He had a better playoffs than he

673
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: did last season, but he never really reached the highs

674
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: that we were looking for.

675
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Speaker 4: Oh no, no, he Unfortunately it's not playoff Jamal. It's

676
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 4: not that same guy that was in the bubble or

677
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: who won the championship. I don't know if that guy

678
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,239
Speaker 4: is coming back. We just see him what he's going

679
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 4: through physically as well. So you're really asking for support

680
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: players to pick that up. And the unfourship part is

681
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: you win a championship, especially you know, a couple of

682
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 4: years prior to the CBA, you got an expensive fricking

683
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Speaker 4: team period. Richard Jefferson on the Broadcast's totally true. You

684
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 4: start paying guys, you win a championship, you start paying guys.

685
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: You'll get Murray, Porter Gordon, your top four are getting

686
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 4: paid a ton. Then there's a huge drop off after

687
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 4: that in terms of financially what they're doing. And it's

688
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: still two hundred million that they're committed to, you know,

689
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: with a couple of player options for next season. So

690
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: it's uh, he's a.

691
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Speaker 1: Guy that could probably I mean, is he either going

692
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: to play or he could trade him too, because he

693
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: got a bit of it, I mean, not like money

694
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: like those core four guys. But he got a fine contract,

695
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: an easily movable contract.

696
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Speaker 4: Really, it's about eight per who's going to trade for him?

697
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: Eight per eight? I mean, it's not gonna tank someone

698
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: who's gonna trade for him. Sure, you're right, maybe somebody will.

699
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 2: That's who's gonna send a better player back?

700
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: Well question, Yeah, that's why they need a sort of

701
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 4: a miracle off a scrap. He a guy that they

702
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: just sign.

703
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: Sarge was a dead.

704
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Sarge was Adad Westbrook was exactly us expected. One

705
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: of my series lost in a series. Yeah, I mean

706
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: he was minus ninety two plus minus. He was second

707
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: one series, but he was a huge reason they beat

708
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: the Clippers and sort of shocked some people who had

709
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: LAC winning that series. But yeah, his final stats in

710
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 1: this one he averaged under ten points, shot thirty five percent,

711
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: shot twenty one percent from three. He had more turnovers

712
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: than assists. I believe in the series here, I believe

713
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 1: against the against the Thunder, I mean, oh my god,

714
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: that's really Brutalso, yeah, and he I guess he has

715
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: a player option, right, he does, so you can he'll

716
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 1: decide whether he's back there.

717
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: And chief player options Calvin Booth decided to go Young

718
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 4: and Jalen Pickett, who is you know, Westbrook sort of

719
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: replacement possibly Strawther and who am I missing? Payton Watson

720
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 4: and those guys have not materialized into great day to

721
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 4: day role players. So yeah, those guys would be nice

722
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 4: if one of those guys performed, But yeah, they have

723
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 4: a big drop off.

724
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Speaker 1: And for the fourth straight season here, the Nuggets are

725
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: projected to be a luxury tax team, So there's that

726
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: as well. You know, you're you're a repeater tax team,

727
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: and so that's gets very, very expensive for this ownership.

728
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: There'll be a first apron team all likelihood a will

729
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: be so they're already over that. It's going to be

730
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: like five million over that. Then you're not allowed to

731
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: use one hundred percent of the traded player exception, So

732
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: we'll see what they do with their books. I think

733
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: the Michael Porter junior makes the most sense. You try

734
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: and shop him, see if you can get multiple players packed.

735
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 4: And the most tradable with just two years left. Sure,

736
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: I mean obviously Yogic, but Jamal Murray trading Jokic is

737
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray.

738
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Speaker 1: Maybe, but I don't think so. I mean just the

739
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: chemistry between those two guys, but I guess has a

740
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: lot of say in this as well. But maybe he's

741
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: already riding a horse somewhere.

742
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 2: You think he's already on a horse.

743
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: I know he's already drinking beers.

744
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

745
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 2: I wonder if they get into Kevin drank game. I

746
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: wonder if like they kicked the tires on that, it

747
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: would probably be Michael Porter Junior, all the picks and

748
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,840
Speaker 2: swaps they have left Christian Brown. Maybe they would even

749
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: ask for Jamal Murray. But I don't know. Obviously, Kevin

750
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: Durant is a huge upgrade over Michael Porter Junior, huge

751
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: upgrade over Christian Brown. But that's an even shallower at

752
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: the top. But I wouldn't be surprised if they at

753
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 2: least have conversations about it.

754
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, that makes sense. Maybe I'm very interested in that,

755
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 4: very interested whether or not Jokic plays in EuroBasket this summer,

756
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: because that's a big tournament. He just played the Olympics

757
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 4: last year. He said that made him a better player

758
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: this year and also probably made him a little tired.

759
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: I mean, he had to carry a team for a

760
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: whole season. Is he gonna go play in a few

761
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 4: weeks of euro Basket? After drinking beers and riding horses.

762
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: I don't know that's gonna be a great tournament. It

763
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 4: should be fun.

764
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Telly reset.

765
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: When is that late August early September?

766
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: All right, we'll see. Well, let's get a little excited

767
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: here for the final four, these conference finals. Again, we'll

768
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: do our previews and predictions on tomorrow's podcast. We'll go

769
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: through them, talk about the X factors. Obviously make our predictions.

770
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: But we have the East and the West conference finals set,

771
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: and the last time each of these teams won the championship.

772
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: You gotta go back, right, the Knicks seventy two to

773
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: seventy three season. Shout out to Phil Jackson, who was

774
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: on the team.

775
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 2: Phil Jackson.

776
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's you know, we're looking at fifty years there.

777
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: Pacers have never won an NBA title. They got some

778
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: ABA banners, but never in the NBA.

779
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: They won one in nineteen seventy three as well in

780
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: the ABA. Yeah.

781
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Thunder they've never won. Now, the Seattle super

782
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: Sonics they won seventy nine, but come on, the songs

783
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: are coming back and that'll be their whole history. So

784
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: the Thunder never have and then of course the Wolves

785
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: have noth Is this the like, what do you think

786
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: is this a really good situation for the NBA or

787
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: the opposite, because people are saying, oh my god, you know,

788
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: no Lebron, no Curry, no even mighty Boston Celtics, like

789
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 1: look at these like a lot of these small market

790
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: teams and then New York. What's your opinion on it?

791
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: TK you like this, is this a good situation for

792
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: the NBA or not?

793
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm excited, Okay, I think these are gonna be great

794
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 2: conference finals. I think there's a lot of intrigue on

795
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 2: both sides. Nicks versus Pacers as literally a generational rivalry.

796
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: That's what people always want in the NBA. These teams

797
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: played playoffs series in the early nineties, late nineties slash

798
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: early two thousands, the twenty tens, and the twenty twenties.

799
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: If you're talking about wanting to see rivalries in the playoffs,

800
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:39,399
Speaker 2: what else are you asking for? On the flip side

801
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 2: of things, that's USA versus Canada. We got our biggest,

802
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: best dude best in shake Gilles Alexander. All right, very cool,

803
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean the big stars aren't there. Even

804
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: Jokic isn't there. Giannis isn't there, Doncic, isn't there, Like

805
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 2: the next generation of big stars isn't there as well.

806
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: But guess what if the next generation's next generation is

807
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: gonna become stars, they have to take center stage at

808
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 2: some point, and this is them taking centers.

809
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: That's what Zilla wrote today. This is an opportunity to

810
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: build up new first name stars here in obviously, Aunt Sga, Halliburton, Brunson,

811
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: those are the main guys of these four teams. And

812
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: I think there's some truth to that, you know, despite

813
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: not having Lebron and Curry and all the international superstars.

814
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're at a point where the torch is being

815
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: handed off. That is what's happening. And I'm okay with it.

816
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 4: Where I'm okay with a new champion, seven different champions

817
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 4: and seven seasons. That's the first time that's happened in

818
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 4: NBA history. As a fan, of course, I love it.

819
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: Is it good enough for the for the world because

820
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 4: you don't have one of those big players? Yeah, well,

821
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 4: you have an incredibly large franchise in the New York Knicks. Yeah,

822
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: with three others, with three other smaller ones. There's no

823
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 4: doubt about that. But that doesn't matter I don't think

824
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 4: it really matters. I am interested to see how many

825
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: people watch. I need to know more about how ratings

826
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 4: work because listen, I was in the bathroom yesterday. It

827
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 4: was a bathroom. I was at a pool. To just

828
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Speaker 4: go back one time. You got to go back to

829
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 4: reiterate this guy maybe watching on an illegal stream. I

830
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 4: don't know does that rating count because people are all

831
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: worried about the ratings and what's happening. Are people not

832
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 4: caring about the NBA? I was at a pool and

833
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 4: somebody was watching in a bathroom. I think people care,

834
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 4: and internationally I think people care. But yes, we're getting

835
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: younger and so yeah, it's gonna be an Anthony Edwards,

836
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: Orsha or somebody to take that torch and do something

837
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: with it. I mean, General Brown's the same thing. I mean,

838
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: these guys, none of these guys are champions that you

839
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 4: think of at all period that are gonna win this title.

840
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool that either aunt SGA, Hallibert or

841
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: bruntson are going to have a title. When it's all

842
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: said downe here, that is cool. And this is like

843
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: what the NBA with the whole you know, basically hard

844
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: cap when we're talking about the second Aprons and all that.

845
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: This is what they wanted. They wanted this like competitive balance,

846
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: which we are. You said, seven straight seasons in a row.

847
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: Now we're not gonna have back to back champs, going

848
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: different team, different chaps.

849
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 4: The first time that Doris Perk made that note in

850
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 4: the broadcast that they're total different winners. Yeah, it's Is

851
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 4: it okay for people not to have these champs at

852
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: the top. It feels a little like the NFL, where

853
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 4: there's teams coming from no Earth to win a championship.

854
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 4: I think it's good for the league.

855
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's competitive balance is what they were hoping for,

856
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: and they seem to be getting here. I'm pumped with you, guys.

857
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: I mean this is for sikos A basketball fans. These

858
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 1: these four teams are like playing awesome basketball right now too,

859
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: totally and for the most part. You know, correct me

860
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong that they're all fairly healthy, these four

861
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: squads coming into the mix here, unless I'm drawing a

862
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: blank on like one of their notable names, No, we're

863
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: pretty good right now with these four teams.

864
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 2: Health is pretty important. It always is.

865
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Important, Yeah, very important that these are the four healthiest

866
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: teams and they're there. That plays a part. But we're

867
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: excited and again we'll we'll break these down on tomorrow show.

868
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 1: Any other hyped notes.

869
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Pacers should get more credit

870
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: for winning three ABA championships? Even their Wikipedia says they

871
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: were the best team in the ABA during the history

872
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: of the ABRA, Right they won three seventy seventy two

873
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: seventy short window?

874
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 4: Right?

875
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many time the.

876
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 2: Best player in basketball was playing in the ABA at

877
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: the time, that doctor j Yeah. How many NFL counts

878
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: pre merger championships?

879
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a good point. How many teams were in

880
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: the ABA?

881
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: Ten? Okay, seventeen in the NBA?

882
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yes, sure they deserve it.

883
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: Absolutely, they should get blown up a little bit more. Yeah,

884
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: ABA teams, I think we can do that.

885
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: They've been close in the NBA. I mean, like, obviously

886
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: they were extremely consistent, always in the playoffs, generally in

887
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: the mix, even getting to some finals, but could never

888
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: get over the hump.

889
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 4: It's a great basketball town, obviously, they've loved basketball forever.

890
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 4: They deserve it.

891
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: Why are you guys cheering more so for Pascal siakamaor

892
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 2: Ogi Ananobi.

893
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't lose there. I wow? Am I

894
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: cheing more for I guess the okham if I have

895
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,479
Speaker 1: to pick between the two, but I mean I won't

896
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 1: be upset with either of them representing. Obviously pretty pumped

897
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,800
Speaker 1: that SGA is going to be in the conference finals

898
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: here playing the Canadian homer card, gonna win MVP, could

899
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 1: maybe win the title in the same season. I get

900
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: that would be incredible. That's the one thing our guy,

901
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: Steve Nash could do. Of course, had the m v P,

902
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: s could never go all the way.

903
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: And Knicks are the only team without a Canadian right

904
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: they are?

905
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: They are? That's going to be their downfall, That's the

906
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: man for sure, because the Wolves got we got cousins

907
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: battling in the conference finals. I think s JA talked

908
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: about it, didn't he. He said something like that great

909
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: old beat his head off.

910
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 2: Mike Breen definitely called Jake Gil, Alexander Nikhil Alexander Walker yesterday.

911
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: Really yes, weird, Shaye Chuck like a deep three is

912
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,280
Speaker 2: like Alexander Walker, SGA with three point attempt.

913
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're there, buds, And I heard his great Steve

914
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 4: Nash clip breaking down SGA as well yesterday how much

915
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 4: he was just breaking down his game and how good

916
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 4: he is. Obviously for Pascalo g it feels like a

917
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 4: new era for them. It doesn't even have after errors.

918
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 4: Both feel like they're gone buried, you know, isn't it.

919
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 4: They don't don't really resonate with me at this point.

920
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: Wow, just like that they were traded a year ago.

921
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 4: I know, I know, but it just feels like a

922
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: different part, like Pascal's moore in a leadership role, like

923
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 4: he's developed. Oh gee, this this is his best part

924
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: of his career. There's no doubt. This is the best

925
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 4: playoff part of his career, best health part of his career.

926
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 4: I mean, he's been able to battle through it. Yeah,

927
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: it feels like a different air. I don't know why.

928
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: Well. I saw Trey on Twitter pointing out that Messiuxieri

929
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: has had some hands in these two conference finals teams

930
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: here in Indiana and New York with those trades like

931
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about. Also, ghost Face still are

932
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 1: pointing out two of these conference finals teams essentially got

933
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: here by trading Paul George okay see traded him directly

934
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: for Shay Gildas, Alexander good move. And then Indiana traded

935
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Paul George to Oka See for Sabonis, who was then

936
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: traded for Halliburton. So it made me laugh. I was like,

937
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: oh damn wow, Paul George.

938
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 2: We gotta get him sitting court side and you've all

939
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 2: he'll be podcasting. Yeah, great place to watch the game.

940
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,240
Speaker 2: You've of course got the Julius Randall cat trade between

941
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: the timber Wolves and the Knicks. Like there are a

942
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: lot of interweaving strands between all four of these teams.

943
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: Right now, we are excited and again we'll break them

944
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: down on tomorrow's podcast. Anything else Before we get to

945
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: a little bit of NBA news here.

946
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 4: Just want to include that Leonard Miller is a Canadian

947
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: the Minnesota because he's not going to play. Okay, got

948
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 4: to say it now, and before we do the previ

949
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 4: you gotta say it now because his name will not

950
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 4: come up in the preview.

951
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: So let's go through this then, So the Thunder, the

952
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: Thunder have do they have just two Canadians or am

953
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: I forgetting somebody and Dort of course? Okay, So the

954
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: Wolves have two in Nikhil Alexander Walker and then Leonard Miller,

955
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: and then the Pacers have two and Andrew Emhart and

956
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: Benedict Mathern, and the Knicks have zero. Oh man, they

957
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: got to sign somebody. Zero're in trouble, man. Okay, good,

958
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: we've gone to its awesome. Okay, We've got some news here.

959
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: According to ESPN, Celtics star Jalen Brown played through a

960
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: partially torn rightmaniscus to end the season. So Brown began

961
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: receiving injections in his right knee in March and he

962
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: played until Boston season ended in Game six there versus

963
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: the Knicks on Friday night. He will be evaluated this

964
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: week to determine if surgery is needed. But here we

965
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: find out tasks that this guy playing through the partially tormniscus.

966
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: Some of these guys you know going through it here,

967
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: obviously Aaron Gordon, what he just did. There's many other

968
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: guys I know playing through injuries, but this one pretty serious.

969
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: They're in the right knee.

970
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah, and he played fairly well. He needed to

971
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: take over when Jason Zanta went out, played well in

972
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 4: their final game, and kudos Dan for playing through Its simple?

973
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 4: Is that nothing more to add for me?

974
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean I think I think he did peer

975
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: he appeared a little bit limited athletically because we knew

976
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: about the knee injury. Maybe not to the same Yeah,

977
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: the injections, and he maybe didn't have that explosiveness that

978
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: he sometimes has. You sit with seed it and burn.

979
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: But you're right, his best performance of the entire postseason

980
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: came in that Game five, the one where obviously they

981
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: you know, do or die without Tatum. Then they go

982
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: to New York and he he was the best for

983
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 1: a quarter at least until things got completely out of

984
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: hand and he felled out there really or some point

985
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: the third. But yeah, this team, you know, back to

986
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: the health factor obviously, Jayleen Brown, Jason Tatum tearing his

987
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 1: achilles in Game four, Kristaps Porzingis not being able to breathe.

988
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: We got this update immediately about Jalen Brown. They still

989
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: haven't say anying about Porzingis. Yeah, no idea, what's going

990
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 2: on with this guy. Yeah, they just don't know. But

991
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: you can see the athleticism just by looking at the

992
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: two point percentage that Jalen Brown shot. Shot under fifty

993
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,399
Speaker 2: percent from two in the playoffs this season. He's never

994
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: been under basically fifty three percent, So just didn't have

995
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: the same explosion. It was taking a lot harder shots.

996
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: You go and look at his in season splits. You're

997
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: like October, November, December, January, February twenty five, twenty four,

998
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: twenty four, twenty one, twenty two points per game, March

999
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: and April eighteen and nineteen. Yeah, it shows up. Yeah,

1000
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: they injected him. It worked sometimes, but you can't do

1001
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: an injection every single game, I guess.

1002
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: All right, So the playoffs bracket, let's just show it

1003
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: to you here. Game one of the Western Conference Finals

1004
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 1: starts on Tuesday night at eight thirty pm Eastern on ESPN,

1005
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: and then we got the Pacers next game one on

1006
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: Wednesday at eight pm. So we're going to give a

1007
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: whole lot of eight thirty and eight o'clock starts here,

1008
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: aren't we? Because we had no true West Coast teams. Wow,

1009
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: so this is it is great for the East Coast boys, Yeah,

1010
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: no doubt. So yeah, flipping back and forth between ESPN

1011
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 1: and TNT here for the West and the East. Reggie

1012
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: Miller on the call for the final final series for

1013
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: TNT covering the NBA, and it's going to be in

1014
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: Madison Square card.

1015
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: He was like a character in the series last year. Yeah,

1016
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 2: Josh Hart, he was on the sideline. That was cool.

1017
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: You assume we'll get more of that, so can't wait.

1018
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: But we on tomorrow show will start breaking those series down.

1019
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: Anything else?

1020
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: Guys, what do you think would be the desired outcome

1021
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: for the NBA Finals by the league? Next?

1022
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 4: For sure?

1023
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: The next snow Brainer? There huge market, I mean, obviously

1024
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: not winning forever.

1025
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: Who I try to put over?

1026
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 1: I don't think they can really go wrong with either

1027
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: of them. But if the NBA were like gave the

1028
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: truth serum, I think they would say Anthony Edwards and Minnesota.

1029
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: I do agree, but I mean then again, yeah, that's

1030
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: under obviously an elite team. They nearly went seventy. I

1031
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: think it's that. And they want imagine Ant in Madison

1032
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Square Garden. Oh yeah, that'd be pretty damn fun.

1033
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 4: They started to push Shaye and Okay see more. Yes,

1034
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 4: as the season went on, they did the flex to

1035
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 4: get them on national TV, although before the season they

1036
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 4: pushed Aunt as much as possible to give the Timberwolves

1037
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 4: the most national TV game increase out of any team.

1038
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: So is this America's league versus the World's league? I

1039
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,479
Speaker 4: think it's more of an ant. Hey, let's let's push

1040
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 4: this guy sure a little bit because they yeah, they

1041
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 4: want him to be great. He's he has been great.

1042
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: Also, come on, Julius Randall back in New York too.

1043
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 1: The middle finger backs meaning.

1044
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 2: The middle finger. That's right, that's right, I love that.

1045
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: Do you again. We'll save it for tomorrow. But do

1046
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: you have your leans right now where you're leaning in

1047
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: the conference finals and who you feel like is going

1048
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:12,280
Speaker 1: to be representing each conference?

1049
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: I'm leaning? Oh yes, yeah, I'm leaning.

1050
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, leave it at time. Got your leans? TK?

1051
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: Any leans right now?

1052
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 2: I mean I said Pacers are going to the finals

1053
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: like a week ago. You did sticking with that?

1054
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:26,879
Speaker 1: Okay, So we know your Eastern conference pick.

1055
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: That's it. I haven't thought enough about the West.

1056
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Tune in tomorrow to find out tk's West pick and

1057
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: we'll see that. We'll call it there. We are back

1058
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: at ten am Eastern, do a show. Then we're flying

1059
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 1: to New York for some work meetings. Don't worry, we're

1060
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna keep the show going while we're there. Still trying

1061
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: to get into the building on Wednesday night day turns

1062
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: out tough ticket to get as well as credentials, but

1063
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 1: because everybody's going to be there. But yeah, we'll have

1064
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: shows all week long and we will have that one

1065
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow doing our Conference finals preview. Hit the like button, subscribe,

1066
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,360
Speaker 1: podcast listens, five star ratings and reviews until tomorrow.

1067
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: Cliverer Bros.

1068
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: You heard it hear first.

1069
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 2: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys, awesome.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. And remember, yeah, we'll be in

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Speaker 4: New York. Don't have tickets. We won't be crawling through

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Speaker 4: vents to try and get into the arena. Remember when

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Speaker 4: that happened last year for Copa America and I was

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Speaker 4: in Miami. Yeah, yeah, fans were I think it was Miami.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to get in and they literally went through

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Speaker 4: vents to get into the area.

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Speaker 2: I would do it, well, you could do it, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the best chance, man. You have to want the rest

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Speaker 2: of us in the hell are we gonna.

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Speaker 1: Get you guys.

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Speaker 4: We'll figure out.

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Speaker 2: We'll have to get you like a security costin oh

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Speaker 2: the full heist move. Okay, I like that.

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Speaker 1: We're doing Ocean's eleven in New York and stun Why

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Speaker 1: you can't wait? All right, Praise the day people,