1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. As we go to air 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: right now, there is a four year old and an 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,760 Speaker 1: eleven year old little boy both asking the same question, 4 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: where is mommy? I'm talking about a twenty seven year old, 5 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: beautiful young woman, Natalie Jones is missing and with all 6 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: of the scientific and technological developments including paying your phone off, 7 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: the car, north Star in it, so many ways to 8 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: find her. Somehow, this mom is like a needle and 9 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: a haystack, and according to friends and family, she would 10 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: never ever leave her two boys alone. We are on 11 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: a mission right now to find Natalie Jones. I mean 12 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: Ncy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being 13 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM one eleven. 14 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. Twenty seven 15 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: year old Natalie Jones drove her hot pink Chevy Cavalier 16 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: from her home in Hurd County, Georgia to celebrate the 17 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,120 Speaker 1: Fourth of July with friends in Jackson's Gap, Alabama, on 18 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: the night of July fourth, round ten thirty pm. Natalie 19 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: left the festivities to drive home. Lieutenant Dan Boswell of 20 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: the Hurd County Sheriff's Office tells Crime Online that Natalie 21 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: Jones sent a message to a friend at twelve fifty 22 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,040 Speaker 1: two am that simply said I made it. Thanks. She 23 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: didn't say where she made it, two, just that she 24 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: made it. There were no further communications after that from her. 25 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Boswell says her phone's last ping was with a 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: cell tower at five fifteen am in Hurd County, at 27 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: the opposite end of the county from where she lives. 28 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: Nobody has seen or heard from Natalie Jones. Since where 29 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: is Natalie? Two little boys asking that question as we 30 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: go to air with me an all star panel to 31 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. Kirk Nurmi, 32 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: former lawyer for Jodi Arius who made headlines author I've 33 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: trapped with miss Arius, Parts two and three of my 34 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: final words. You can find that on Amazon. Doctor Bethany Marshall, 35 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: Psycho Analyst to the Stars, Joining us from Beverly Hills. 36 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: She's a doctor Bethany Marshall dot Com Trace Sargeant expert 37 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: K nine handler, the PI firm the family contacted for help, 38 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: Joining us. Donna Williams, Cright Reporter w r B L News, 39 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: Columbus Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan, who's 40 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: been on the story from the beginning. But first to 41 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: special guest Natalie's sister, Jessica. Bishop Jessica, thank you for 42 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: being with us, for those of you just joining us. 43 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: Natalie Jones missing tipline eight hundred five nine seven tips 44 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: repeat eight hundred five nine seven eight four seven seven. 45 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: There is a chance to bring Natalie home alive. Back 46 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,519 Speaker 1: to her sister, Jessica, Bishop Jessica, when did you first 47 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: learn Natalie's missing? I'm just trying to get you together 48 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: right now. That just made a little bit bit more real. Sorry, 49 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: it was probably Julia six. I got a text from 50 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: someone that says her sister missing, and so I called 51 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: my sister, my other sister, Tabitha, and I said, what's 52 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: going on? And she said, we haven't heard from Natalie 53 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: since Julia fourth, so that Monday they had followed a 54 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: missing person's report. How often do either you or your 55 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: other sister text or here from Natalie. I mean I 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: text back and forth with my brother or his wife 57 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: practically every day, and my sister and her children out 58 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: in California probably every other day. We're pretty close contact. 59 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: And of course my mom is here with me, so 60 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: all of us are in very close contact. How often 61 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: would either you or your sister contact Natalie by text 62 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: or by phone or in person. My sister tab she 63 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: would see Natalie almost every day for the last month 64 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 1: before she went missing. She would text call on a 65 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: daily basis. They lived probably a couple of miles from 66 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: each other. Maybe you guys are so lucky to be 67 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: close to family. How far away do you live from Natalie? Um, 68 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: I live probably twenty miles away from where she stayed 69 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: at at her mother's house, and so she stayed with 70 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: her mom. Okay, so there's another close family connection. Let 71 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,599 Speaker 1: me ask you this. The drive she went from her 72 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: home to a party on July four, How far was 73 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: that drive? How many miles or how many minutes? It 74 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: was about an hour and a half drive. Man, I 75 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: made that kind of drive back home to my family 76 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: home all the time. You don't think twice about it. Up. 77 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 1: Let me bring in the reporters on the case with me. 78 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 1: Is Natalie's sister. But first take a listen to our 79 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: friends at w RBL News three. He does want her home, period. 80 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: We just want her home. That is our main goal. 81 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: Twenty seven year old Natalie Pearl Jones was last seen 82 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: in Otha Waka near River Trace Drive. Jones is about 83 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,119 Speaker 1: five three wing about one hundred and thirty pounds. Since 84 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: her disappearance, the family has been searching for Jones. What 85 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: we've done as a family is just hours on the 86 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: road driving a route that she made would have taken 87 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: going down Dirt Rose in Franklin, around the Ephesis area. 88 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: You've just done a lot of July Bishop tot News three. 89 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 1: The Herd County Sheriff's Department is leading the investigation, not 90 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: the GBI. Bishop describes her sister as someone who is outgoing. 91 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: She says the most important thing to her is her children, 92 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: and next month she has a five year old that 93 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: will start at school for the first time. Oh gosh, 94 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: who would miss your child starting school? No mom that 95 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: I know? Straight out to climb online dot com investigative 96 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: reporter at Lee Egan, Lee, what do you know? Well, 97 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: exactly what Jessica said. She went to a friend's party 98 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: on July fourth, At around twelve fifty two am. On 99 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: July fifth, was the last known message from Jonestone. She 100 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: supposedly sent a message back to her friends in Jackson's Gap, Alabama, 101 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: and said thanks I made it. Now she did never 102 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: say where she made it too, just that she made 103 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: it and that was the last they heard from her. Well, 104 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think it would be implied that I 105 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: made it home, since that's where she was going. I 106 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: made it. I often send that text, Hey I'm here, 107 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and of course my husband and children know what I'm 108 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,559 Speaker 1: talking about. That makes sense to me. But Lee, who 109 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: is this friend? Who's the friend the party she went to? Well, 110 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: there were several several people who are several friends, and 111 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: well they are they men or women? Both both men 112 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: and women. Where does she know I'm from? She knew 113 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: them from just just friends, you know, childhood. It might 114 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: have been childhood friends. Let's ask Jessica. Let's ask Jessica 115 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: because I find that important. Was she traveling to see 116 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: a boyfriend? That's significant to me because the first place 117 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: you look is boyfriend's ex boyfriend's husband's lovers. To Jessica 118 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: Bishop who was having the party? Jessica, it was a 119 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: former ex boyfriend or former boyfriend of Natalie's. They weren't 120 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: in a relationship at the time. They had became friends, 121 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: but he had previously been in a relationship with her. Yes, Okay, 122 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: and so all of that oiled down. He is an 123 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, is that right? Yes? Now, Jessica Bishop, I 124 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: think I heard you say and his parents. So does 125 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: the X live with the parents? They that's more, that's 126 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: not their home. That was more of their weekend kind 127 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: of getaway type home, like a lake or on a mountain, 128 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: something like that. It's on Lake Martin, it's right off 129 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: of Lake Mark. Well, I'm writing all this down, Jessica. 130 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: Sorry for interrupting. So we've got the ex boyfriend. Is 131 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: he the father of either of these two children? No? Okay, 132 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: ex boyfriend? How long have they been broken up? Oh, 133 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: for a while, I don't. I don't know exactly a week, 134 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: a month, two years, ten years. I've got one undated 135 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: in high school okay, haven't seen him since. So that's 136 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: one ex boyfriend. There are others. So how long is 137 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: this a high school boyfriend and college boyfriend or work boyfriend? 138 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: How long have they been broken up? It's significant? Well, 139 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: to be honest, technically, I would say I would this 140 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: is to think I guess at least a year. Okay, 141 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: stops right there, Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psychoana, Sorry, Jessica, I've 142 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: got for one hour to get this story out there 143 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: and to glean all the facts I can, So this 144 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: is going to be rapid fire. I want to find 145 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: your sister, Bethany Marshall, excuse me, doctor, Bethany Marshall. It's 146 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: very important as to how long they've been broken up. 147 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: You understand, right, Nancy. It's so important not only how 148 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: long would they've been broken up, but what was the 149 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: nature of the relationship. Who broke up with whom? Is 150 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: he upset that she broke up with him? Has he 151 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,479 Speaker 1: been stalking her again? Just to jump straight to the point, Nancy, 152 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: when somebody goes missing or is a victim of homicide, 153 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: we look at their most intimate relationships because in the 154 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: context of intimate relationships, that's where there's resentment, rage, rejection, betrayals. 155 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: So in the context of close relationships, homicidal feelings can emerge. 156 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry to put it so well. Actually, beth Marshall, 157 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: we ain't at a tea party. I think we're not 158 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: at the church circle meeting right now, So let's just 159 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: get down with it and figure out what's going on. 160 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: But I have to interject. If this guy was stalking her, 161 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: which I have no evidence of that at all. I 162 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: doubt she would have driven an hour and a half 163 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: to go to a party with him and his parents, 164 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: all right if he was Unless she was nature of 165 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: the relationship, who else was there? What was happening on 166 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: her social media? And what were the nature of all 167 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: the other relationships in her life? Was anybody preoccupied with 168 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: her crime stories with Nancy Grace? Guys were talking about 169 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: a missing twenty seven year old mom of two, a 170 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: four year old and an eleven year old little boy. 171 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: They're starting school without mommy. Where is Natalie? So to 172 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: you in a nutshell, Jessica Bishop, were there any lingering 173 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: feelings between her and the X? I don't think on 174 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: her part that she had any romantic feelings towards him. 175 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: He had expressed afterwards that he just wanted to find 176 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: her and he was worried. Other than that, I got 177 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: no indication that they had any type of romantic involvement, 178 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: that they were just friends joining me Trace Sergeant Canine 179 00:11:29,559 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: Handler with the PI from the family contact to help Trace. 180 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us. What can 181 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: you tell us? Trace? Well, the family reached out to 182 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: me to help locate Natalie, and we of course, jumped 183 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: right in and boots on grounds. We checked around Natalie's 184 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: home where she was living at, which was her mother. 185 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: We checked around there, found nothing. We also checked several 186 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: other places with the dogs. I met with Lieutenant Boswell 187 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: with the Herd County Shares Office. He provided me a 188 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: lot of great information. At this point in time, we've 189 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,959 Speaker 1: exhausted all areas of to search, but we're still very 190 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: active and we hope that this uh your cast and 191 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: highlighting this case will give us new tips and leads 192 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: and new areas to search. I'm straight to Donna Williams 193 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: w rb L News, Columbus, Georgia. Donna, help us out. 194 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: What can you tell us? Tell me everything you know, Donna. 195 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: You know, after speaking with her sister, I can see 196 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: that she was very close knit with her sisters and 197 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: for her to just disappear. And my thing is, she 198 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: has a pink car. So someone had to see something 199 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: with this pink card. You know, it's not every day 200 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: that you see like a bright pink car just riding 201 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: down the street. And I've been up to her county, 202 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: so around that area, it seems to be close knit. 203 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 1: So someone knows something. You know, you just brought up 204 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: something really important. Donna Williams w r B all needs Ambus. 205 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: My very first note at the top of the pit 206 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: page is hot pink Chevy. So this car is not 207 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: just pink, it is hot pink. Now the only time 208 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 1: I really see a pink car. Have you ever seen 209 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: those pink cars? Jackie that and they're mary K. I 210 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: think it's the name of the cosmetics dealers. Yes, and 211 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: if they sell X numbers of dollars worth of mary K, 212 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: they are gifted a pink It's a Cadillac and you 213 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: can't miss it. You don't really see a lot of 214 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: pink cars. And you're telling me this was hot pink. Yes, yes, 215 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: hot pink, a hot pink Chevy. Now, see that's something 216 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: that you would remember. And I want to get down 217 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 1: to the ping, the ping. John Williams w r B 218 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: L News Columbus, What can you tell me about the 219 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: pings that have surfaced on the phone. Well, what we 220 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: saw was the last ping that they saw was of 221 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: course the text message and off the towers. But you know, 222 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: with social media, you can pretty much find a personal 223 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: location within fifteen minutes. You can go through tag Facebook 224 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: pictures on Facebook to see a person's last moment. Yes, 225 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: so when you guys, if you don't know it, if 226 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: you have GEO tagging on your phone, or you haven't 227 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: turned it off, when you post, it will show exactly 228 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: where you are now. You may want that, but in 229 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: this case it would be very helpful. Take a listen 230 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: to Shane her x I, a TV eleven alive. No 231 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: one has seen Natalie Jones since July fifth. Jessica Bishop says, 232 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: her sister, a mother of two, just disappeared without a trace. 233 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: It's been expruciating. We have no idea. It's literally like 234 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: she was just pick up out of nowhere in vantage 235 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: the Herd County Sheriff's office, as Jones was last seen 236 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: in Jackson's Gap, Alabama, in her hot pink Chevy Cavalier. 237 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: Her family says they were told her cell phone pinned 238 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: off a tower in Franklin, Georgia that day. Bishop says, 239 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: shortly after Jones was reported missing, investigators searched from the 240 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: air and on the ground but found nothing. We don't 241 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 1: know what to do anymore because we, like I said, 242 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: we'd go and search, but we don't even know what 243 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: we're where we're searching for. I mean you know where 244 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: we're searching that anymore, guys, I'm trying to figure out 245 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: if her car had any type of tracking device tray sergeant, okay, 246 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: trace her vehicle. I know that it's a hot pink Chevy, 247 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: but did it have any geo device in it, you know, 248 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 1: that could track her? For my understanding, she did not. 249 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: It was an older vehicle, so she didn't have any 250 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: electronics actually installed in the vehicle for the manufacturers, like 251 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: a navigation to correct. No, to my knowledge, there was 252 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: no navigational tools or tracking tools on her vehicle. You know, 253 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: earlier I said north Star, I meant on Star, and 254 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: I think that she's right to u Lee Egan that 255 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: newer cars have it have on Star in there or 256 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: some other type of navigational tool. The significance is of 257 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: that is that it can then be pulled up. The 258 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: data can be pulled up and you can see where 259 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: the car has been through the manufacturer. If it's an 260 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: older car, unless you've put it in the car, the 261 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: car doesn't have it. To Jessica Bishop's sister of Natalie Jones, 262 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: did Natalie have anything like that in her car? No, 263 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: there was nothing like that in her car. To use 264 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: ways or Google Map. I don't. I think she used 265 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: just the She had an iPhone, so there's just a map, 266 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 1: you know, on your iPhone. I got a question. I 267 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: got a question. We have something called Life three sixty. 268 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: My husband found it and I love it and I 269 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: can see I made the decision, for better or worse, 270 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: to give the children's cell phones, and you can see 271 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: where they are even if we for instance, they went 272 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: and sang with their school last year at Disney, A 273 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: lot of schools had their they played their instruments, their 274 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: band played, and we could see them like where they 275 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: were walking around within Disney because they had their phones 276 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: with them on the Life three sixty. Did she have 277 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: anything like that on her phone? No, she didn't. She 278 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: didn't even have her location turned on for her Snapchat 279 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um, kurt Nermie with me now, 280 00:17:55,920 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: Defense attorney and author kurk Nermy, do you have to 281 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: have Fine my iPhone turned on? Oh? I think you do. 282 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: She had an iPhone. I understand. I think you have 283 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: to have Jackie up real quick. You do. You do 284 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: have to find you have to have find my iPhone 285 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: turned on. But that is an excellent way to find 286 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 1: find your phone. When you find your phone, you find 287 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: the person. Would you agree with that? What do we 288 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: do right now? Kirt Nermy well, I would start with 289 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: even though she didn't have some of those apps work, 290 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: and we have this ping at twelve fifty two that 291 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: is in her county but not in the area of 292 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: her home. So what we need to start doing is 293 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: begin there. That is the last known place where there's 294 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: anything to do with Natalie to be found. We have 295 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: this hot pink car. I find it hard to believe, 296 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know how big a circumference it would 297 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: be for this cell phone tower where the pings would be. 298 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: To start looking at every single bit of security footage 299 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: that is around the area. Start canvassing the area to 300 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: see if anybody saw a hot pink car that evening 301 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: or early morning. Start right there and start working backwards. 302 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: Did she know anybody in this area? Did she know 303 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: was there a new suitor we've talked about the X. 304 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: Was there somebody who was interested who maybe it was 305 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,199 Speaker 1: jealous she spent time with the X that it was 306 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: in the area of where this ping went. We need 307 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: to start at the last known point of content crime 308 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace Guys, we are talking about a 309 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: missing young mom, twenty seven year old Natalie Jones. You 310 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: can find out more at crime online dot com or 311 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: find Natalie Jones dot com. There's a ten thousand dollar reward. 312 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. The family is desperate define Jones, 313 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: someone they say, wouldn't just go silent. She's always on 314 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 1: social media posting pictures. Either she will take her children 315 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,040 Speaker 1: or she always lets her children know where she's going. 316 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: She lets one of us know where she's going. Being 317 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: a mother, Bishop says, Jones especially wouldn't disappear knowing her 318 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: kids need her. Her youngest son keeps asking where his 319 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: mom is. He called Natalie's mom and you know, said, 320 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: I don't want to talk. I want to talk to mama. 321 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: Where's mamma? Asked, where's my mama at? That remains the 322 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: question where is Natalie Jones? Bishop says. Herd County investigators 323 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: tell the family there still aren't any great leads right now, 324 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: but the search continues. It's a waiting game. It is 325 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: a waiting game. Guys. You're hearing our friends at w 326 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:01,399 Speaker 1: XIATV eleven. We know that Nellie Jones's phone pained in 327 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 1: the County of her home. This is what happened, straight 328 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: out to Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee. 329 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: Natalie had driven about an hour and a half to 330 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: go to a July fourth party. It was a party 331 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: thrown by an ex boyfriend and his parents. She leaves 332 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: the party about ten thirty. By all accounts, the ex 333 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: boyfriend stays at the party, and I'd like you to 334 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: confirm that formula, Lee. That evening, she sends a text 335 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: saying I made it. Thanks, I guess thanks for inviting me. 336 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: I need to find out who she sent the text too. Okay, 337 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: First of all, can we confirm, Lee Egan, the boyfriend 338 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: remained at the party yes weekend? Everybody there remained there, 339 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: including the X Yes. Okay, two Who did she text 340 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: I made it? Thanks? Hey? That's where the issue is 341 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: because according to the sheriff, I think I believe that 342 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: just confirmed this. She used texting apps on her phone, 343 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: and we don't know. That might have been one regular 344 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: text and that was back to the party to her ex, 345 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 1: but she used a texting app also, so they can't 346 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: get in there and find out yet exactly who she 347 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: had been texting back and forth with you know, surrounding 348 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: the days before, during, and after the party to Trey 349 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: sergeant with the PI firm, the family contact of her help. 350 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: What can you tell me about this texting app? Can't 351 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 1: police get a warrant to get into it? Yes, Lieutenant 352 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: boswe Eye discuss that, and they cannot without further justification 353 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: in doing that. It's not just a simple matter of yes, 354 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: you can see perhaps an outgoing or ingoing activity, but 355 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: reading the text is a different legal standard, and that 356 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: standard is not met in this case at this time 357 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: because the mom is just missing m so correct. You 358 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: know what. I hate it when, for instance, children are 359 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: classified as runaways or women are classified as so she 360 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: wanted alone time, that's all byes. Jessica Bishop's sister of Natalie. 361 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 1: There was no indication she wanted to go off on 362 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 1: her own and leave her two little boys behind. Can 363 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: you tell me, Jessica, as she in a relationship on 364 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: July the fourth? No? Not, to my knowledge, she was 365 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: not in a relationship with anyone. There's a ten thousand 366 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: dollars reward for information leading to Natalie's whereabouts tipline seven 367 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: h six six seven five three three two nine repeat 368 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: seven oh six six seven five three three two nine. 369 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 1: Take a listen to this. Another thing that is puzzling 370 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: and concerning to family members and investigators is at her car, 371 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: a bright pink two thousand two Chevy Cavalier hasn't been spotted. 372 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: The car has Georgia license plate r V six one 373 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: seven seven, and that vehicle is not anywhere to be found. 374 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: Jones is five three and one hundred thirty pounds. She 375 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,479 Speaker 1: has blue eyes, brown hair with blonde highlights. She has 376 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: tattoos on each of her wrists. One says Isaac, the 377 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: other says Trent, a star diagram from shoulder to shoulder 378 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: and the name Trent with a baby foot on her 379 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: right foot. We are pursuing this because we'd love her 380 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,920 Speaker 1: so much, and we're going to continue to do this 381 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: until we are. The family is asking anyone with information 382 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: or anyone who has seen her bright pink car to 383 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: police contact law enforcement immediately. Guys, let me tell you 384 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: some more about the car. The license plate is Georgia 385 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: R Robert V Victory EF six one seven seven repeat 386 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: RV six one seven seven. All of you truckers listening 387 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: right now, please be on the lookout for a hot 388 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 1: pink two thousand and two Chevy Cavalier with blue stripes 389 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: on the side. The car was originally read anyone that 390 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: sees the car needs to call nine one one immediately. 391 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: We are also learning that she was not in a 392 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: relationship at the time. That is significant why doctor Bethany Marshall. 393 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: When you're dating an out in the world, you meet 394 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: new people, and in this case, meeting new people may 395 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: equal meeting and encountering more dangerous situations. You know, I'm 396 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: also analyzing the fact that the phone was pined in 397 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: her home county, but still several miles away from her 398 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: actual home. We all remember the recent case of Keltsey Barrett, 399 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: the young Colorado mom of a little baby girl whose 400 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: fiancee murdered her. Then he talked to his new lover, 401 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: the rodeo Queen taught her into taking Kelsey's phone and 402 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: abandoning it where he wanted the police to believe she 403 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: would have traveled. She didn't travel anywhere. He killed her 404 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: not too far away from her home and burned her body. 405 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: But the cell phone was taken and thrown off the 406 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: side of the interstate as if she were en route 407 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: to see family in another state. So back to you, 408 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,959 Speaker 1: Tray Sergeant joining us in the PI from the family 409 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,400 Speaker 1: contactor for help. The fact that her phone pinged there 410 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: is not absolute evidence that she was there. Most likely 411 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: it is, but it's not absolute. That's correct, Nancy. In 412 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: any indus together, we always start at the high probable 413 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: areas first and worked out we have to assume that 414 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: where her phone ping is where she was or presumed 415 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,920 Speaker 1: to be, so we start at that location. But there's 416 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: no guarantee where her phone ping is in fact where 417 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: she was even in the area. But we have to 418 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: start somewhere and be logical about it and be smart 419 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: and efficient. I do want to say it's been really 420 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 1: strange since assisting the family in the search for Natalie. 421 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: We haven't received one tip or lead since her disappearance, 422 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: which is extremely unusual and out of character, especially when 423 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,199 Speaker 1: you're talking about a hot pink car. So we're really 424 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: at a standstale right now and areas to search. So 425 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: we're hoping that this show will give us some new 426 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: tips and leads scenarios to search will trace. Let me 427 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: ask you this the train where she was last pinned, 428 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: what kind of terrain is it? It's primarily ruled there are, 429 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, homes of followings and things like that. But 430 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: it's not a heavily subrabian city area, so I think 431 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: you're saying it's rural and not heavily populated. Crime stories 432 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, a young twenty seven year old mom 433 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: of two little boys, is missing. She left the July 434 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: fourth party around ten thirty to eleven thirty to drive 435 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: hour and fifteen minutes home. She texted we think, saying 436 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: I made it, thanks, but she didn't make it. Where 437 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: is Natalie? Her phone pained off a cell tower and 438 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: the county where she lives. That suggests that she made 439 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: it that fart, but she never made it home. Lives 440 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: with her mother and her two little boys. Very quickly 441 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: to Jessica Bishop, this is Natalie's sister joining us. They 442 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: had separate fathers and both of them have their but 443 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: that they have the children and they were involved this. 444 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: They got them every weekend, if not every other weekend. 445 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 1: So they have been excluded. Is that what you're telling me? 446 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: I believe one has been excluded. I haven't been informed 447 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 1: about the other. What do we know about that? Tray, 448 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: Sergeant Well, in that situation, that is correct. What Jessica said, 449 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: there is some discussions about the younger son because there 450 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,239 Speaker 1: was a custody battle going on between the father and 451 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: Natalie along, so they're doing further investigation from that until 452 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: it's completely cleared of he was at the time in 453 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: the relationship between Fatally and him. Pinpointing a cell phone 454 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 1: in a rural county such as her county can be 455 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: very difficult. There are only three cell towers covering that 456 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: entire county, so long story short, you may get a ping, 457 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: but that doesn't indicate exactly where you are. While cell 458 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: phone pings can be traced as close as like three 459 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: or four blocks from where the phone is, that's not 460 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: true in this particular case. So if she was at 461 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: that cell tower between there and home, it seems to 462 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: me to Donna Williams w RBL News, Columbus, that is 463 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: a stretch of road that cops should be focusing on 464 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: between that cell tower ping and her home. I definitely agree, 465 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: And I also think it's important to know if she 466 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: had any friends in that area and to see if 467 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: they had seen her or heard from her that night 468 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: when that message went off. I think that's another important 469 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: factor to know if there was anyone in that area 470 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: that may have talked to her, or was she talking 471 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: to anyone on her way there. I think those are 472 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: important factors to know. And also there was any surveillance 473 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 1: videos in any of those areas? Have those been checked? 474 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: Have those been watched? Have those been searched? So I 475 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: think that's that's what another factor as well. Yeah, because 476 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: we saw in a recent case Kirt Narmy, renowned lawyer 477 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:32,240 Speaker 1: who defended Jodi Arias at trial in the missing Connecticut 478 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 1: mom of five, Jennifer Dulos, her husband's car and it's 479 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: whereabouts were pieced together almost entirely around the hours of 480 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: her disappearance early early in the morning after school drop off, 481 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: based on home and business surveillance video, even surveillance video 482 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: cams that are in school buses and public buses. When 483 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: the some of the doors open on the bus, you 484 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: could see photos Dulo's car drive by. It's amazing the 485 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: way surveillance video CCTV can catch a vehicle. So that's 486 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: an avenue to be exhausted. Agree or disagree, Oh, I 487 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: completely agree. Whatever that whatever that scope is, that particular tower, 488 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: every effort should be made to see what security camera, 489 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: what somebody saw because also think about it. Remember we're 490 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: talking about this hot pink car. That is not only unique, 491 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: but it could be a memorable event, especially in an 492 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: area like that. What was this hot pink car doing. 493 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: This is out of the ordinary to have this hot 494 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: pink car in our neighborhood. People might remember that. So 495 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: every single camera, every single door should be knocked on 496 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: for any kind of trace or recognition of this car 497 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: related to the area in this tower. You're right, Kirk, 498 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I here's somebody jumping in. Who is it? Bethany is 499 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: just a quick observation. I was wondering if they had 500 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: asked the people at the party. Was she on her 501 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: phone a lot on all these social media apps, as 502 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 1: if she was preoccupied and planning on meeting up with somebody, 503 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: or was she more engaged with the people at the party. 504 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: I think that's important because it really determines did somebody 505 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,479 Speaker 1: start to groom her while she was at the party 506 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: and then predated upon her after she left, or was 507 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: she the victim of some random stranger on the way home. 508 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,959 Speaker 1: That's a really good point. Her demeanor at the party 509 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: to Jessica Bishop, this is Natalie's sister, was there any 510 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: suggestion she had odd behavior at the party es her 511 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: X and I had just found out. I want to 512 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: correct myself. It's been like seven years, it's been a 513 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,080 Speaker 1: long time since they've been together. But yes, he did 514 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: say that she was on her phone a lot during 515 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: that evening, during that time that she was there, so 516 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: she did seem preoccupied by whatever was going on with 517 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,920 Speaker 1: her phone and whatever she was talking about. Tails there 518 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: better be a warrant an pronto to get all of 519 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: the text that she was using on that she was 520 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: sending on an app. I mean, anybody would know this, 521 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 1: especially if you have children. You can text outright on 522 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: your phone where we can read all the texts, or 523 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: you can use an app like What's App or house 524 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Party or just talk. There's a million ways or kick. 525 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: There's a million ways to talk and text on your 526 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: phone without leaving a text trill. And it's not nefarious. 527 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: People use those sorts of apps for all all different reasons. 528 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: Even my children get on a house party and What's 529 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: App and they're all talking to each other about homework 530 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: assignments for Pete's sake, But those require more evidence to 531 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: get the search warrant. You're not just getting the warrant 532 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 1: from the phone company. You're getting a warrant from an 533 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: app as well. I don't know what the hold up is. Guys, 534 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: take a listen to lieuten of Dan Boswell, Herd County 535 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: Shares Department. The Verizon tower in Hurd County showed her 536 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 1: phone pained on one of their towers. Correct. Well, paying 537 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: is a term that we use when we have used 538 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: for locating. So paining is when we asked a cell 539 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 1: phone company to to send a signal to that specific 540 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: device and then they read the distance that device measures 541 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: from its location to a tower. So that's what a 542 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: pain is. But what we did do is we did 543 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: get means it shows the towers that her phone was 544 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: located in certain sectors of certain towers and those were 545 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: in Hurd County. That's correct. There was a four point 546 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: two mile range from the tower to her phone and 547 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: it was on the opposite end of the county from 548 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:53,240 Speaker 1: where her home is correct, it is true to Leigan 549 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: Clime online dot com investigative reporter, what was she wearing 550 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: when she was at the party? Nancy? So she was 551 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 1: wearing a pink blouse, white shorts, black sandals with bows 552 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: and I want to add that she does have a 553 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,920 Speaker 1: few tactoos. She has a starred diagram on her shoulder 554 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 1: that goes from across her shoulder to her back on 555 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: each wrist. What else? Yeah, and a baby footprint on 556 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: her right foot. And can I can I jump in 557 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: really quick with something that doctor Marshall was saying. She 558 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: was talking about she may have been dating other people. Well, 559 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: she was dating someone much more recently than the man 560 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: at the lake, and they had just broken off their relationship. 561 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,640 Speaker 1: I believe it was in a couple of months. And 562 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: he lives in Hogansville, which is pretty cool. I'm not 563 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: saying he hasn't been named a suspect. I'm just throwing 564 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: this out there. He lives nearby, like within seven miles 565 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: of where she does, close to where the phone peemed. 566 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 1: He's in cars right now for allegedly trying to put 567 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: a hit out on a deputy. So we haven't been 568 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: able to actually speak to him. Well just wait a minute, 569 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: trying to put a hit out on a deputy? Okay, yes, ma'am. 570 00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,279 Speaker 1: Question when was he put in jail for that? That 571 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: was reason. That was probably a couple of weeks ago, 572 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: so he was out and about on July fourth. Yes, 573 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: he was arrested last week in the Truth County Jail. Yeah, 574 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 1: he's in the Truth County Jail. Is this Donal Williams speaking. Yes, Yes, again, 575 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 1: he's not a suspect or a POY person of interest. 576 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: But to doctor Bethany Marshall, why is it so critical 577 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: that all boyfriends are exes or current lovers or ex 578 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: lovers have to be identified and questioned? Nancy, It's important 579 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: because one of the biggest breakdowns in the dating relationship 580 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: that will turn homicidal is if a boyfriend feels the 581 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: relationship is more valuable than it really is, if the 582 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: girlfriend is not as available as she should be, and 583 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,399 Speaker 1: then he wants to punish her for rejecting him. That's 584 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,399 Speaker 1: a very toxic dynamic. And if it happens with a man, 585 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: a supposed quote unquote air quote boyfriend who's actually homicidal 586 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 1: and she's not completely available to him and there's a 587 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: breakdown in the relationship, it really says that something could 588 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: have happened that caused his homicidal instincts to kind of 589 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:31,440 Speaker 1: override any effection her. Going to the party thrown by 590 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,200 Speaker 1: an ex boyfriend and his parents even though they're no 591 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:38,240 Speaker 1: longer involved for the past seven years could make those 592 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: feelings of rejection boil over. We wait as justice unfolds 593 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,200 Speaker 1: tipline seven h six six seven five three three two 594 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: nine Fine, Natalie Jones dot Com, Nancy Gray's crime Story, 595 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: signing off Goodbye friend,