1 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: What is up? 2 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: What's going on? 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 3: Y'all? 4 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: This is another episode of the Beatdown Podcast, Week sixteen edition, 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: and by god, we have a win to discuss, right, 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: The Commanders pull out against the New York Giants twenty 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: nine to twenty one. Came close there to not being 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 1: a win, but the point is four and ten feels 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: a lot better than three and eleven. And it doesn't 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: say their season, but I will tell you after gosh, 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: it's been damn near eleven weeks since they. 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 3: Last many days? 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no one's counting right now. It's it feels. 14 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: It feels really really great to not have to think 15 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: about a loss. So we're gonna move on to the 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles and we'll be playing them at Northwest Stadium 17 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: on Saturday at five o'clock PM. We're gonna be talking 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: about how the Commanders can pull off an upset and 19 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: maybe he spoiled the Eagles chances of getting the mcast 20 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: for at least another week. And with us we have 21 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 1: Scott Abraham from ABC seven. 22 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: Scott, how you. 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 3: Glad to be back on? Appreciate you having me? 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: Of course you won last time. 25 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 3: No I didn't. I'm all for two. 26 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know, I know, I know, I like 27 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: to I like to play with you like yeah, And 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: we have a newcomer on the pot. Here we have 29 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,119 Speaker 1: Dona Hopkins from Pro Football plus Donna. 30 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 2: How are you feeling? 31 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know what he's over for two, he's gonna 32 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 4: be old for three. 33 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 3: Oh no, here we go. 34 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I will say, when I invited Donna on, she said 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: I want to bring the heat, so get ready. 36 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 3: I know I have her on my show all the time, 37 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 3: that she's good TV, good radio. 38 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, And you know, Scott, you know how it 39 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: goes by now with Donna, I'll, you know, kind of 40 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: gave you a little bit of a brief overview. And 41 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: for everyone listening who somehow hasn't been listening to the podcast, 42 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: if you're just pulling in on a week sixteen, here 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna ask the people three questions. We're gonna get 44 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: points out at the end of each round. There will 45 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 1: be a winner. I will decide because that is my. 46 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Burden as the podcast hosts. 47 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: But I always tell listeners you should be more focused 48 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: on what the stars of the show have to say 49 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: about their insight heading into this week. And with all 50 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 1: that being said, I think we should get into it, 51 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: starting with the big decision, right, Jane Daniels is going 52 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: to be sitting for the next three weeks. His season 53 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: is officially over. Outside of practice, he'll still be practicing, 54 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: but they're gonna allow him to let his elbow heal 55 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: after reinjuring it against the Minnesota Vikings, and Marcus Margotto 56 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: will start. And I think you know Cliff, obviously, Jading 57 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 1: and Marcus have very similar, similar skill sets in a 58 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: lot of regards, but he's still give a little bit 59 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: of an adjustment, right for Cliff to have to focus 60 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: on Marcus to do this a little bit right. He started, 61 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: He started in some games here, but I wanted to 62 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: know from build both of you guys, how Cliff can 63 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: best care the offense to Mariota in a way that 64 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: they can at least be more competitive. 65 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Done. Since you're the newvie, we'll start with you. 66 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it starts. I' playing philadelph for the 67 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 5: first time. Marcus has been in there in the trenches 68 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 5: for a lot this season, more than he was last season, 69 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 5: so it's not like he's new to the arena. So 70 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 5: therefore Cliff knows markets, he knows the Philadelphia Eagles from 71 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 5: when they played them last year NFC Championship games. So 72 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 5: it's no triplets right now. 73 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: Now. 74 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 5: What he has to focus on with the turnover situation 75 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 5: that has happened to the Commanders in the last couple 76 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 5: of weeks, the penalties on offense, they've got to clean 77 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 5: up that. So for Marcus to me, the key thing 78 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 5: for him to help him out is you've got to 79 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 5: run the ball in the trenches against the Philadelphia front 80 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 5: four that are monsters. You've got to be able to 81 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 5: take the pressure off of markets and run the football 82 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 5: because I think that's your bread and butter. They've got 83 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 5: away from that all season long, and Marcus, you know, 84 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 5: has been rattled in there. So that defense of the 85 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 5: Philadelphia Eagles, they blitz a lot. Got to be able 86 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 5: to get the ball out of Marcus hands. I like 87 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 5: to see him behind the center a little bit more 88 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 5: play action passes. 89 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 4: I think it's the key. 90 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 5: But the key against the Eagles facing them to be 91 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 5: the Spoilers run the ball. 92 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: Set the tone there, and they did that against the 93 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: Giants right They ran the ball I think thirty seven 94 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: times for one hundred and forty five yards a touchdown 95 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: there with from Bill, and you think you did see 96 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: the offense at least move and at plints better than 97 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: it has in some instances, right, And I think you 98 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: know you mentioned this stuff under center. 99 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 2: I think that's very interesting. 100 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 1: We can maybe del on a little bit later, but 101 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: Scott will turn it over to you same question. 102 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 6: I don't think there's really a big drop off compared 103 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 6: to you know, Cliff Kingsbury trying to cater the offense 104 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 6: to Jayden or Marcus Mariota, the very similar quarterbacks. But 105 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 6: I think to slay a giant like the Philadelphia Eagles, 106 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 6: you got to go after the giants. So I'd love 107 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 6: for them to take some shots downfield, big plays of 108 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 6: Terry McLaurin, big play to Deebo Samuel, just go after them. 109 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: You have nothing to lose. Protect the football smart. 110 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 6: But I think there's gonna be opportunities in this football 111 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 6: game to really hit the big play, hit the chunk play. 112 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 6: Terry's done that a couple of times against the Eagles. 113 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 6: You can go back to last year, so I think 114 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 6: there's opportunities there for the big play possibility with Marcus 115 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 6: and Terry. 116 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 3: And to Donna's point, the run game. 117 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 6: Was effective against the Giants, especially under center Bill Krossky Merritt, 118 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 6: I think enjoys the fact of having a leade blocker 119 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 6: like at Ben Sonett and a guy under center like 120 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 6: a Marcus Mariota. I think that fits his running style 121 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 6: better compared to maybe just a you know. 122 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 3: Shotgun formation or an RPO. 123 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 6: So I think there's an opportunity here for for Marcus 124 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 6: to finish strong. Obviously he's a free agent after this season, 125 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 6: and just adds to his how valuable he is this 126 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 6: football team because with the question marks with Jade Daniels, 127 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 6: if he's gonna be able to stay healthy throughout a season, 128 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 6: you need a quality backup in the in this National 129 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 6: Football League, and I think Marcus Mariota has proven time 130 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 6: and time again he's one of the most important pieces of. 131 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: This football team. 132 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 6: So I think he's just gonna build on has already 133 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 6: resume that he's he's established here in Washington, and why 134 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 6: not play the role spoiler and get a big win 135 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 6: against the division rival of the Philadelphia Eagles. 136 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: So you both of you test on a little bit 137 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: of different things. And I do like that because with 138 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: the deep shots, I mean, you got Terry and you 139 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: remember his first big play that really put him onto 140 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 1: the scene was against the Philadelphia Eagles back in twenty nineteen. 141 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: And I think the difference is between this the next 142 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,119 Speaker 1: three weeks and then earlier in the season they actually 143 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: have some of their deep weapons. Now you've got Terry, 144 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 1: you were able to use Debo a little bit better 145 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: than you have in the past. Obviously, Arts and No 146 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: Brown aren't there anymore. But it's gonna open up some 147 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: other opportunities for these for these other other receivers, maybe 148 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: to have a shot shot there. And I'll talk to 149 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: about you about that, Scott maybe later on. But Donald, 150 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: you mentioned the run game, as you said, and I 151 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: do like that because as a former off the lineman, 152 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: I love to run the ball, and I think this 153 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: offense is at its best when it does lean on 154 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: a run game a lot. But I'm curious about like 155 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: this this rotation now, because you've got me, Nicholas, You've 156 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: got Bill, You've got ce Rod. It seems like they've 157 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: all got their moments right. They've all had different kinds 158 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: of skill sets, and Bill had more of the carries 159 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: this last week. It seems to be Anny more of 160 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: the carries now, So in terms of assuming Chris is healthy, 161 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: what do you want to see more out of that 162 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: running back group. Do you want to see Bill score 163 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: take the reins here for the rest of the rest 164 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: of three weeks or do you want to see what 165 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: you have at at Chris because's show them some good 166 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: things as well. 167 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that coach Quinn and Kingsbury's have said 168 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 5: is the hot head in a game like that. But 169 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: the thing that people don't realize when you have three 170 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 5: backs with that kind of talent, Jeremy McNichols give you 171 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 5: a different twist. As they told me last year where 172 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 5: they were talking about the running backs. 173 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: He can play multiple positions. 174 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 5: He can play you know, outside, catching the ball, blocking 175 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 5: and all of those pieces where Bill comes in and 176 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 5: gives you another gear to punch in. But and then 177 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 5: Chris Roriquez is your bruiser. I just don't think that 178 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: they utilize them properly. If you're going to go against 179 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 5: a team like the Philadelphia Eagles, who they are, they 180 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 5: come at you in so many different ways. So I 181 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 5: think the smart thing about having three backs like that 182 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 5: that nobody knows it's a change up in pace for 183 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 5: each one. But the thing that I want to see 184 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 5: mostly is if you Chris is the hot guy going 185 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: in and if he's producing, or if it's Bill and whatever, 186 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 5: you've got to let that guy stay in and be 187 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 5: the running back instead of constantly changing up where the 188 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 5: offensive line has to change up with that too. Now, 189 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 5: the key thing with looking at the running game is 190 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 5: the offensive line is intact right now. 191 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 4: They like to block for running backs. 192 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 3: They like to open up the holes. 193 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 5: I saw them open up the Red Sea against the Giants. 194 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 5: In the holes that Bill what's coming through. So to me, 195 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 5: whether it's Chris in there, whether it's Jeremy mc nicholson there, brother, 196 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 5: it's it's Bill in there, they all give you something 197 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 5: that could end up causing Philadelphia a problem because the 198 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 5: way they utilize them last year and the way if 199 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 5: they run the ball, if they end up being pass happy. 200 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 3: They're one dimensional. 201 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 5: So I think when I talk about the running game, 202 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 5: I think that you have to stick to it to 203 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: get it going. 204 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean they do. 205 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: They seem very much like a three head monster in 206 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 1: some ways, right. And it was funny, immajuriy. They were 207 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: all up there together right talking during the press conference, 208 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: isn't it? And I mean, you know, Nichols is not insititily. 209 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: You you're number one back, but he it doesn't seem 210 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: like there's no one better on him to convert him 211 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: third downs than him. For whatever reason you handing the ball, 212 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 1: He's somehow gonna find a way to get the sticks now, Scott, 213 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: as I mentioned no Brown on Ir, ERT's on Ir 214 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: like though there are some of your your other threats 215 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: in the passing game, especially with no Brown, because like, 216 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: even though he doesn't there's always like catch those deep passes. 217 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: He doesn't know how to draw passing apperience goals better 218 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: than most. 219 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: People in the league. 220 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: But now he's gone, how do you because obviously he 221 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: still have Terry, but like, how do you want to 222 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: replace that, that that presence that Noah had if you 223 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: still want to pass the ball, take these deep shots 224 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 1: down to. 225 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 6: What about like a Traylon Burks, what about like a 226 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 6: Jaylon Lane? Obviously both have had amazing plays already this season, 227 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 6: and of course everybody's still talking about that catch that 228 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 6: Traylon had and oh yeah, as he tries to make 229 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 6: his way back in the NFL in a consistent manner, 230 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 6: this is gonna be a good evaluation period for for 231 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 6: Traylon these next three games to see if he could 232 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 6: stick around and maybe he could be part of that 233 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 6: depth and about that position group of the wide receiver 234 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 6: that's been just the interchangeable parts all season long because 235 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 6: they just can't stay healthy. And then of course Jayalen Lane. 236 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 6: You know, he's he's not a one trick pony. He 237 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 6: came on maybe as a special team's ace. He's done 238 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 6: his thing as a punt returner, but how do you grow? 239 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 6: How does he evolve as a wide receiver? So I 240 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 6: think those are two names. Obviously Luke McCaffery he's not 241 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 6: available either. So two names to watch for these next 242 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 6: three games, Traylon Burks and Jalen Lane. 243 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 3: How do they get them involved without a Noah Brown? 244 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's funny, like you think about how great 245 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: that catch was. He has not really made a catch 246 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: since then, and I think I think that the fans 247 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: really want to see him. He had the first round 248 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: talent and he he really is I think maybe the 249 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: biggest lottery ticket they have on offense, because there's really 250 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: the expectations are not really innically high for him because 251 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: he's he's a retread in summer. 252 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: It's low risk Kyrie Ward. 253 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. 254 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you if he's if he if he's 255 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: actually able to hit in a way that he didn't 256 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: hit in Tennessee, like that does solve a lot of 257 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: problems for you, not just for this year, for the 258 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: rect three games, but like for for next year. Yeah, 259 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: we'll move on. But I've been doing this lately, not 260 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: have been. I've been holding the points off to myself 261 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: until the final round. 262 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: They had a little bit of the stakes. 263 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: To the intrigue, so you'll know the stakes entered the 264 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: final question. 265 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 2: Hey, we got it. 266 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: The record is what it is. We've got a key 267 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: things going. We're gonna go on to the defense side 268 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: of the ball here. I think we can all agree 269 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: that this has not gone really the way that things 270 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: wanted they wanted, and I think changes are coming for 271 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: this unit in a. 272 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: Lot of ways. 273 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: With Joe Junior no longer being a play caller, There's 274 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 1: can be a lot of free agents coming up. 275 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: You have a lot of more young talent that you 276 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:15,840 Speaker 2: want to see. 277 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: So that's really what I want to focus on, is 278 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: like they have to balance the line right about being 279 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: competitive but also seeing what they have and Scott'll scart 280 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: with you, and I want to know, like how do 281 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: you do that? 282 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: Like what's what's the plan for getting guys. 283 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: Like McGee, Padrono some of these other corners like more Resk. 284 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tough balancing act. 285 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 6: You don't want to do a disservice to a guy 286 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 6: like Bobby Wagner, who knows if this could be a 287 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 6: swan song in the final three games of his career. 288 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 6: You just don't know. He hasn't made that decision yet. 289 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 6: But so you have to kind of toe the line 290 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 6: a little bit by you know you're not going to 291 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 6: the playoffs, but you know you've heard Dan Quinn numerous 292 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 6: times the last couple of weeks saying, this is a tournament, 293 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 6: NFC East tournament. 294 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 3: We want you know, this is in our division. This 295 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: is important to us. 296 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 6: You have the defending champs come into town, so yeah, 297 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 6: they want to win these football games. So you're gonna 298 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 6: see I still think you're gonna see the Frankie Louvus 299 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 6: and the Bobby Wagner are still out there. Maybe the 300 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 6: last game of the season. That's where you maybe roll 301 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 6: out a Jordan McGee for the entire game. Or an 302 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 6: Antonio Hamilton or Cay Madrono. I think the last game 303 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 6: that's where you maybe get to see more of these 304 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 6: younger guys in those type of situations. But with three 305 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 6: games left, I still think you're gonna rely on those 306 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 6: veterans and and try to win these football games. And selfishly, 307 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 6: I love to see a guy like von Miller thirty 308 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 6: six years old. 309 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: He has seven sacks. 310 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 6: You know, von Miller wants to get to double digit sacks, 311 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 6: So I would love to see selfishly a guy like 312 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 6: that of Von Miller get the double digit sacks. So 313 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 6: I think there's still a lot of meaningful football for 314 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 6: these veterans type players. The young guys will have their moments, 315 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 6: their time will come. I think that'll come more toward 316 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 6: the last game of the season to see a Jordan 317 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 6: mcgeeme a leading a defense or other guys filling in. 318 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 3: I like to see Johnny Newton more. 319 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 6: Johnny Newton still kind of behind the snap rotation with 320 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 6: a Deron Pain and a Javon Kinlaws, So maybe at 321 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 6: Johnny Newton starting and get more snaps over these last 322 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 6: three games. 323 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: So those are some names to keep an eye on. 324 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't trying. 325 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: I have to look it up, but it's been a 326 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 1: while since von Miller has had double digit sacks. Yeah, 327 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's just the lack of availability of the 328 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: age averages. 329 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: One sack of game here, he's gonna get tench. 330 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: And it just seems like he's there. 331 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: And he's even said on things on his pockets he 332 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: wants to come back to Washington. And I'm sure we 333 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: haven't talked about to Bobby about this, but I'm sure 334 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: he would like to come back to if he's available. 335 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: So we'll see there. 336 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: Donald, same question for you about how they want to 337 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: balance the getting these young players more revs. Balls to 338 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: staying competitive in these last thir games which the Eagles 339 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: and Dallas Cowboys, they're they're no slides. They're both competing 340 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: for the for the Vision at least for another couple 341 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: of weeks. 342 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what, I'm the most competitive person ever. 343 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 5: Wow about winning, I'm about I know everybody wants to 344 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 5: see the younger players and what they can do, but 345 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 5: guess what they've been in throughout the season at different 346 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 5: moments and whatever, and coaches really assessing them from training 347 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 5: camp through the season too. Right now, But you've got 348 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 5: three games to go. You're trying to win ball games 349 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: at all calls and whatever. And I know Scott said 350 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 5: that maybe towards the last game, you let the McGee 351 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 5: stay in there for absolutely only if the situation calls 352 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 5: for him to be in there, because you have to 353 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 5: play the core players, no matter what I mean. And 354 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 5: Jory McGee has been in there enough for you to 355 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 5: assess where he's at. CA Madrono maybe a little bit more, 356 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 5: but you're gonna play the Eagles again at the end 357 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 5: of the season. 358 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: So those guys that's in you're assessing them too. 359 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 5: You're assessing the veterans, you're assessing the young guys, and 360 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 5: to me, sometimes you can set back. 361 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 4: It's not always about. 362 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 5: Being in a game situation, but it's also watching other 363 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 5: guys operate where you can learn that way. Also, So 364 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: I know that Johnny Newton is a player that got 365 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 5: called out, and I really do like to see him 366 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 5: because to me, you win in the trenches up front. 367 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 5: You lost a lot of guys up front throughout the 368 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 5: course of the season. So Johnny is one of those 369 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 5: guys that you want to kind of like see a 370 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 5: little bit more to see what he can do upfront 371 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 5: because I think that when you look at next year, 372 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 5: when you look at the course of the finishing this 373 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 5: season strong, you want that pass rush to see a 374 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 5: little bit more with the guys in there. About getting 375 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 5: to the quarterback. You've got great quarterbacks you're gonna play 376 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 5: at the end of the season. 377 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 4: So it starts up front. 378 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 5: Looking at some of those guys, Mikey Sandra Still, who's 379 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 5: been in there. You know he's still second, third year, 380 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 5: Kwan Martin, all of those guys. I think you have 381 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 5: to be able to see more of those guys in 382 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 5: there of what you got moving forward, you know, along 383 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 5: with the veterans in there. 384 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 3: But at the end of. 385 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 5: The day three games left, Von Miller told me, man, 386 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 5: we're trying to spoil it for somebody else, and Jacob 387 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 5: Martin said, we're trying to let somebody else go to 388 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 5: can cool with us. 389 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: Brother is. 390 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, brother, it's Dallas, brother. 391 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 5: It was the Eagles, and it's happened to be all 392 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 5: three of those teams that you're trying to be spoilers. 393 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 4: So understanding that we. 394 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 5: Want to see the young guys in there, but you've 395 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 5: got to make sure that the people are in their 396 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 5: veteran players that's going to be able to turn the table. 397 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 5: And to me, those veteran guys in there you've seen. Look, look, guys, 398 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 5: you've seen enough of the younger guys. They've been in there, 399 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 5: and right now it's the guys that's not gonna make 400 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 5: the mistakes that I want in there. 401 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: So let me play the devil advocates to both of 402 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:45,479 Speaker 1: you guys, because I think both of you made very 403 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: similar points. I hear you on Johnny Newton, I hear 404 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: you and guys like McGee, because both of those guys 405 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: have been playing a lot, and you know, we should 406 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 1: say like this coach is playing younger players partly at 407 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: it because they want to see what they have, probably 408 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: because that at need because of all the injuries. But 409 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Scott, what is what is 410 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: the harm if you really want to stay competitive in 411 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: saying okay, maybe we give a few more reps from 412 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: Doran to Johnny or let you know, get McGee a 413 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: little more reps from from Bobby or some of these 414 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: other guys, Like what like, what is there any harm 415 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: in that? If you still want to say competitive but 416 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: also get like, hey, we've already seen a decent sample 417 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: size them. Let's see what they can do with this, 418 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: maybe ten percent more. 419 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 6: I don't think there's any harm. You got to take 420 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 6: the training wheels off when you love to have Jordan 421 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 6: McGee call the defense show on the field for the 422 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 6: majority of the game. You have to put them in 423 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 6: those type of situations. Bobby Wagner is not gonna be 424 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 6: here forever. I mean, you got you have to put 425 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 6: stressful moments, stressful situations at the highest level for these 426 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 6: young guys to really see what you got. 427 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: So I would love to have Jordan McGee to. 428 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 6: Be the guy with the headset on, you know, for 429 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 6: getting defensive play calls for a majority of the game. 430 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 6: I'd love to see a Johnny Newton get more reps 431 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 6: from mckinlaw or Deran Payne, just to see the evaluation 432 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 6: of what they can do with more opportunities. 433 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: So I don't think there's any harm in that. 434 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 6: I think you still can be competitive with giving you know, 435 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 6: ten more snaps to a couple of guys. 436 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: So I totally agree with that, and I want to 437 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: talk to you for one to the final question about 438 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: we've mentioned Cama drama because if you remember way back 439 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: in August June, they were still they said, Okay, we 440 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: want to figure out if this guy is Frankie or 441 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: a Kwan and he really hasn't played that much more 442 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: than special teams reps for whatever reason. And you know, 443 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: maybe that changes the last three games, like maybe that 444 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: changes in the in the season finale, uh in Philadelphia. 445 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: But if it were me, I would want to say, Okay, 446 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: do we really have an answer to that? Is he 447 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: quantor isy Frankie? And wouldn't you want to get more 448 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: reps than these last two games? Put him into these 449 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: defensive snaps more often as opposed to sticking him in 450 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: the especially thrilled until week eighteen. 451 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you're not going to find out that 452 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 5: in three games. It's not enough games to figure that out. 453 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 5: That's something that's a long process. If you think about 454 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury when he talked about Brandon Coleman today, as 455 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 5: far as his development, they don't know whether he's inside 456 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 5: or outside. That's not something they're going to learn. And 457 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 5: Brandon has been here for longer than Cain has. But 458 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 5: trying to force something in three games is not going 459 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 5: to work out to me that This is my assessment 460 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 5: because it takes a while for the process to take form, 461 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 5: and that's something maybe next year they've learned a little 462 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 5: bit more about Cain Madrono and different situations that we 463 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 5: don't even know about in practices and even in game 464 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 5: situation when they were going to put him in in 465 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 5: there and if they seem mistakes happening and so forth, 466 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: that's not gonna happen. 467 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: So the reason why I'm. 468 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 5: Saying that that you still have to wait to go 469 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 5: through the process with Cane with some of the things 470 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: that you want to see from him, whether he's outside, 471 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 5: inside or where does he fit. Three games is not 472 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 5: going to materialize that for him, and I think that 473 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 5: you will be doing yourself a disservice or to him 474 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 5: also in trying to force something. You look, look, you 475 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 5: can't force a big option, option, option, option into a 476 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 5: small hole. So I think that in this situation with 477 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 5: with Madrano is that you have to still bring him 478 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 5: along through the process of the off season stuff and 479 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 5: everything and then kind of like like do what you're 480 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 5: trying to do right now in taking pressures off. I 481 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 5: know he's frustrated about playing everything, but in the same 482 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 5: breath is that don't force something that you don't need 483 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 5: to force at this stage of the game. 484 00:21:58,680 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 4: Don't make mistakes that. 485 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 1: You That's something I think people don't always understand about development. Right, 486 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: If you take on a role it's too big for 487 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: you too soon, it can in a way put you 488 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: back in some way. So I do like the way 489 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: you ended that there. We'll move on to the final 490 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: question before we do that, an actual score update. 491 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: Both of you are tied three to three. 492 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: Love love, Yeah, both of you guys. The deep shot 493 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: said about it's it's dead heat here heading into the 494 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: last one, and we're gonna stick on to this young 495 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: players debate here. We're gonna go to the offense side 496 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: of the ball, and we've got plenty of options here 497 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: that they can see mostly out of necessity. Got Birks, 498 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: You've got Senate, You've got a lot of other guys 499 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: that mad Billion the bill in there, even though he's 500 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 1: got more reps than other young offensive players. 501 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 2: Of those offensive. 502 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: Talented players, who do you want to see more of 503 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 1: and who are you excited to see more of heading 504 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: into these last three games? Big opportunity for evaluations. 505 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 6: Donna take the Let me guess actually. 506 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 5: I'm going to start with the tight ends because I 507 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 5: know everybody probably would have thought that I would start 508 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 5: with the running back situation the wide receiver. 509 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 4: And the reason why I'm sticking. 510 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 5: With the tight end situation is because Ben Sinnett has 511 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 5: been here for a minute now and they've been trying 512 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 5: to develop him since training camp. I watched him closely, 513 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 5: talk to him from training camp up to right now 514 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 5: of his development. Now, when when you have a guy 515 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 5: like Zach goes down, this is the perfect opportunity for 516 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 5: Ben to step up because they've been waiting for him 517 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 5: to have that explosion uh part of this season, and 518 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 5: the wills are open now. As you all say, Scott 519 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 5: take the training wheels off, Well, they had taken those 520 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 5: off during the course of this season. And Yankoff is 521 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 5: another guy that they really wanted to put in there 522 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 5: because you know, you got Baits and everything, and if 523 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 5: you're trying to build your tight end room and even 524 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 5: if Zach comes back, that's an area that you want 525 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 5: to kind of really assess going forward, do we still need. 526 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 4: Somebody in there? 527 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 5: What A young Ben Sennett has the great opportunity right 528 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 5: now to showcase his skill set. He's you know, as 529 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 5: far as he's gotten better with the blocking his passing. 530 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 5: We know about that, and the only way that they 531 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 5: can look at that is you got to throw the 532 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 5: ball to him. And it's so much of a you know, 533 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 5: a slim chance that he's gonna get a lot of 534 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 5: talkers because you got the cherries in, you got the 535 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 5: de boats in and all of that. But Ben Senny 536 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,840 Speaker 5: can be more useful, even more so of how he's blocking. 537 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 5: They use the blocking tight end a lot here, and 538 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 5: so I think his skill set there is going to 539 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 5: be key. So I'm sticking right now with the development 540 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,239 Speaker 5: of the tight end room because you already know what 541 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 5: you got in the running back room with Bill because 542 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 5: as you said, he's gotten a lot of touches and everything, 543 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 5: and Jay Lange, uh, you know, it's so many balls 544 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 5: is gonna come in his way and everything because of 545 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 5: you got the tarry back. So I'm sticking with the 546 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 5: tight end room in pushing that forward a little bit more. 547 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 5: And Zach is still in everybody's ear, helping that group, 548 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 5: helping the bands, the yank off and all those guys 549 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 5: move forward. 550 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: So she said she was gonna bring the heat. The 551 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: hell of an answer, I'm not gonna lie that. 552 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 6: To be honest, there's only one answer to that question, 553 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 6: and she one hundred thousand percent it is the tight 554 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 6: end position because you have to figure out in this 555 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 6: offseason approach, free agency draft, the tight end position is 556 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 6: a game. 557 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 3: Changer in today's NFL. 558 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 6: If you don't have a dynamic tight end, you are 559 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 6: way behind the sticks in terms of evolving as an offense. 560 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 6: So Ben Sinnett, your second round pick, is not that 561 00:25:56,119 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 6: guy you gotta go fish for for somebody else, because honestly, 562 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 6: you don't know if zach Ertz is gonna come back. 563 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: You don't know if his career is done. 564 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 6: So you got three games, Ben Sinnett, Again, you're not 565 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 6: You're not gonna learn everything in three games. But he's 566 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,719 Speaker 6: been here for two years now, So that is the 567 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 6: only answer. Tight End position is such a critical part 568 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 6: of this machine and if you don't have one, you're sinking. 569 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 6: So if Benson is not the dude, you're gonna have 570 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 6: to go fish. So that's the only answer in my opinion. 571 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,679 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna do something, but you don't really do 572 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: in journalism, which is called leading the witness, And I'm 573 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: just gonna give you the opportunity to have a different answer, 574 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: and all. 575 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,400 Speaker 3: Right, I got I got one, I got one. 576 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: Okay, give you give me. 577 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 6: It's gonna be an interesting take here. Why not start 578 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 6: Sam Hartman for one game? 579 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 3: Okay, hear me out? Okay, Okay, So you have Jaden. 580 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 6: Marcus, he's gonna he's gonna have other suitors, trust me, 581 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 6: come free agency. Okay, So he's gonna be a valuable 582 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 6: commodity for a lot of NFL teams. You can never 583 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 6: have too many good quarterbacks on a roster. Sam Hartman, 584 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 6: all right, what's he got? 585 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: Well? 586 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: What can you do when the bullets are flying in 587 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: a real NFL game? 588 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 6: So I would like to see maybe Sam Hartman get 589 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 6: get some get some maybe reps or a start in 590 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: the last last regular season game. 591 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: So that's that's not what I was hoping you would 592 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: go with. I was hoping you pick a case of 593 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: trailing Bergs, because look, if you go back to the 594 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: way that like the evaluation for trailing Bergs, it was 595 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: a J Brown with more wiggle, and look, AJ Brown 596 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: sounds pretty great to me. I don't know about you, guys, 597 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: but that sounds awesome. But no, I do agree with 598 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: both of you. Vin said it is I think he's 599 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,119 Speaker 1: the ultimate like ultimate player in this right. 600 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 5: Now, and I gotta, I gotta, I gotta rebuttal Scott 601 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 5: with that, with what he just said, and I'm with 602 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 5: you at Trailing. So I'm gonna argue that point the 603 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 5: reason why I say and love you Sam Hartman. But 604 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 5: it's about winning in the end. You already know assessment wise, 605 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 5: he started most of you know, the preseason and all 606 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 5: of those games and whatever. But at the end of 607 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 5: the year, when you're still trying to win in here, 608 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 5: you have to put your best foot forward, and that 609 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 5: is Marcus right now. And so therefore moving on from 610 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 5: Sam because with the with getting Marcus back probably hopefully 611 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 5: next year, you already know who your backup is going 612 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 5: to be, and that third quarterback may change anyway. 613 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 4: But let's go to the wide receiver room. 614 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 3: You know that you have to up that scale. 615 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 5: Also, Trailing has showed you some flashes he's got. 616 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: He had been dogged out with his other teams. 617 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 3: He came in. 618 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 5: He's supposed to be a high draft pick. He did materialized, 619 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 5: but he showed life here in this system for the Commanders. 620 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 5: So if I'm going to see anybody to utilize him 621 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 5: a little bit more because he hasn't gotten any touches 622 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 5: really since he's just been a decoy for the other receivers. 623 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 3: So in order to. 624 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 5: Find out he's a big guy that you're looking for, 625 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 5: because with the tight end position we're talking about, he 626 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 5: adds so much more dynamic as far as getting down field, 627 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 5: you know, being physical down there in the red zone 628 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 5: and all of those things. So to me, if you're 629 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 5: going to turn the tables and we agree both on 630 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 5: Ben Sennas, my other wild card would be Treylon Burke. 631 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: Well, well, you know that you didn't even have to 632 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: make that point, and but you did, and I appreciate it. 633 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 2: Scott really wanted to give it to you. I really 634 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: really did. But I told you was gonna be I think, 635 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 2: do you gotta take the win here? 636 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: Yes? 637 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm in it the wind. I told you at 638 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 4: the beginning it was all about winning. 639 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 3: I'm like the commanders. 640 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 4: Oh, three last three games is all about winning. 641 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: Well, there you got it, Scott. You always bring the heat. 642 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: You always do. 643 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 3: And I will say in each of. 644 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: These losses they've all been closed. I really didn't try 645 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: to give you a shot. 646 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: To come with someone someone, and. 647 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 6: You know what, though I'm not gonna give up, I 648 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 6: am gonna be back and I'll be back to defend. 649 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: Both these guys will be back for sure, whether it's 650 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: not in the last two week next year, for sure. 651 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: It's been great. It's been great having both of you on. 652 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: Both of you guys brought it, loved the discussion, and 653 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: hopefully when you hear from me again, we'll be talking 654 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: about another commander's win, because it's always ready to see. 655 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 2: The Eagles lose. 656 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: And until then, be sure to rate your view, subscribe, ever, 657 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. 658 00:30:48,840 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 2: And this has been the beat down