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Speaker 1: Football is about the jimmies and joes and exes and os.

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Speaker 1: Take New York plenty. Ain't thank you, Bruce. It's time

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Speaker 1: to get out the chopboard and diagram some plays. It

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Speaker 1: all starts right here. Why jam money Christmas? This is

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Speaker 1: Inside Football with former Colts and NFL coach Rick Venturi.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it again. Welcome inside Inside Football with Rick

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Speaker 1: venturiy As we tape this here at Grand Park, I'm

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Speaker 1: Matt Taylor. Graham Park, the side of Colts training camp,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by cours In Fire and Security, and

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Speaker 1: we're here to talk with Rick Venturry. Step inside that

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Speaker 1: noggin his expertise almost thirty years patrolling the sidelines in

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Speaker 1: the NFL on the coaching side. And again we're taping

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Speaker 1: this on Wednesday, which means the Colts only have one

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Speaker 1: more day of practice, one more day of training camp.

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Speaker 1: That'll be Thursday. It's all open to the public if

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Speaker 1: you want to come out, grab your tickets online Colts

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Speaker 1: tomorrow it'll be an off day on Friday for the Colts,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of a walk through day. The kickoff

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Speaker 1: luncheon is scheduled for noon, I believe, on Friday downtown

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Speaker 1: at the JW. Marriott, and then it is full steam

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Speaker 1: ahead preseason game number three, the preseason finale Colts and

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Speaker 1: Buccaneers Saturday night at Lucas Oil Stadium, and the plan

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Speaker 1: the preseason finale. So we'll get into all of that.

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Speaker 1: But Rick, good to see you, man. I feel like

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Speaker 1: we talked about this earlier, but it just seems like,

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Speaker 1: just seems like yesterday camp started and now it's basically over. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's that great anticipation and you feel like it takes

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Speaker 1: in many ways. One, it allows you with a nick

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Speaker 1: have two weeks. Yeah, it's weird not having that final

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Speaker 1: the Lions game, that second game at Lucas Oil Stadium. Rick,

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Speaker 1: I know you're high on the quarterbacks. They played well,

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Speaker 1: and I know you're also high on those receivers that

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Speaker 1: me why you're so high on those games. Well, I

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Speaker 1: think this was I think you have to evaluate last

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Speaker 1: I thought that Matt Ryan on Wednesday against the Detroit

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Speaker 1: Whizzy leit. I thought he ran the show. His accuracy,

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Speaker 1: It came out, and of course you know, basically Ellinger

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Speaker 1: This was Paris Campbell's best day out here this very day.

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Speaker 1: you do, right, No, No, it's the Cults possibly in

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Speaker 1: no one, Chris Bow knowing this franchise, We're gonna look

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Speaker 1: I think the two areas that and maybe three areas,

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Speaker 1: but two areas that I'm definitely looking at what's available

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Speaker 1: is interior line backup, okay, and defensive interior line backup.

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Speaker 1: go to that defensive line interior backup conversation, because you

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Speaker 1: had what one hundred and seventy four yards allowed on

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Speaker 1: don't think Speed's gonna I don't think we can afford to.

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Speaker 1: I'm lobbying for him on a different level. I don't

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Speaker 1: I think I think the way I look at her,

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Speaker 1: I look at our team as a rotation of five.

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Speaker 1: Right now. Now, what happened to Quitty today, we don't know.

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Speaker 1: But if if Quitty is healthy, then it's to me.

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Speaker 1: The fifth guy and he's interchangeable, is Lewis. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm right there. You know I'm at I'm at watch seven.

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Speaker 1: And so then then then we'll just have to see,

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Speaker 1: guys flash. I probably if I kept and didn't make

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Speaker 1: any moves, Johnson would be my eighth guy. Yeah, as

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Speaker 1: I'm having trouble with him today. It's called it's calling

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Speaker 1: the wild I'm having troubled with him today for summer.

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Speaker 1: I didn't have I had no trouble in the game.

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Speaker 1: But when the two old boys and you're talking about

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Speaker 1: And then, uh, you know, I personally the other guy

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Speaker 1: for Weatherford. Yeah, okay, I again, I see Weatherford kind

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Speaker 1: of like Speed. I see him with tremendous upside. I

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Speaker 1: I thought he did a good job getting down on

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Speaker 1: the on the kicks, um, And uh you know, along

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Speaker 1: with that, Domin will be back, so that'll be a

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Speaker 1: battle in that second half. They'll be fighting for their

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Speaker 1: lives for that extra linebacker spot on the on the

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Speaker 1: think the safety position is set because Wats is a

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Speaker 1: special teams guy. Our top three are really good. Doman

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Speaker 1: Um is a to me, He's a bang up special

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Speaker 1: it's a question would you be able to keep him

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Speaker 1: for special teams, you know, I mean, can I work

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Speaker 1: he's a hunter. Okay. Now the corner position. After Rogers,

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Speaker 1: you got your four guys and then you got a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys that are alike. Okay. Chesley and Tony

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Speaker 1: well in the preseason. They can both play nickel, they

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Speaker 1: can both play corner. I like Chesley a little bit better,

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Speaker 1: although Tony had a really good game except he couldn't

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Speaker 1: find on the touchdown. Chesley did find the ball in

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Speaker 1: the touch on the red zone and made that play.

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Speaker 1: And Chesley has actually had quality snaps for us under pressure,

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Speaker 1: So that, to me, that's a battle. I think the

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Speaker 1: is Flowers number thirty. I think he's the most talented,

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Speaker 1: but he's a corner, probably a practice squad guy, and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the versatility to go inside. So that

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Speaker 1: that you, once you get into that that five six

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Speaker 1: thale you got to be. You have to have versatility

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Speaker 1: and you gotta be a hell of special teams. Where

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Speaker 1: are you with Curtis Brooks I really you know, Curtis

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Speaker 1: has had a quiet he was I actually liked him

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Speaker 1: better than Johnson because I think, you know, seven and

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Speaker 1: a half sacks at since he is a big deal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I but it just he hasn't been able

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Speaker 1: for some reason to show it. You get. Macintosh has

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Speaker 1: actually been better. If if you want to go over

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Speaker 1: the entire practices, I think Brooks has it. It's it

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Speaker 1: just he hasn't been able to really just put it

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Speaker 1: together in your training camp as much as I thought

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Speaker 1: he would. Right, you know, regardless of how this happens,

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Speaker 1: You've been through this so many times as a coach.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna cut twenty plus guys and they've

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Speaker 1: been busting their ass for here for five plus months

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Speaker 1: since the start of April, and everybody's out here trying

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Speaker 1: to live their NFL dreams. How how tough is this

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Speaker 1: weekend or I should say next Tuesday when the cuts

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Speaker 1: are made. How tough is it on the coaches to

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Speaker 1: part ways with these guys when they've just poured their

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Speaker 1: heart and soul for you. Yeah, there's two levels to this,

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Speaker 1: mac Matt, and I think that I think that the

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Speaker 1: toughest part of it are the position coaches, the guys

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Speaker 1: who really get close, the teachers, the guys that share

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Speaker 1: that room every single day and who really bond and

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Speaker 1: motivate these kids and see every little thing they do.

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Speaker 1: And you're pulling for those, You're pulling for every guy

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Speaker 1: in your room. I think it's difficult. Where it's really difficult, though,

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Speaker 1: is when you've had some one that has been with

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Speaker 1: you for long periods of time and you've been to

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Speaker 1: war with, you know, a veteran who maybe is at

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Speaker 1: the end and can't do it anymore, and you have

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Speaker 1: to make that cut. That is the tough one, no

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Speaker 1: question about it. Well, we'll see what happens, says the Colts.

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Speaker 1: Get ready for Saturday night preseason game number three and

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Speaker 1: then roster cuts Tuesday of next week. Rick, awesome, as

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Speaker 1: always been. It's been a pleasure here at training camp,

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Speaker 1: and we'll do it again next week and then the

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Speaker 1: week after that game planning for the Houston Texans. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we shore will one more game of TV and then

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Speaker 1: we'll be back at We'll be backing at Radio Boost together.

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Speaker 1: You got it, Rick vent Terry right there on the

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Speaker 1: TV broadcast Fox fifty nine locally to see the broadcast

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Speaker 1: kickoff on Saturday set for seven thirty, and of course

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Speaker 1: you can listen to the game locally in Indianapolis on

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Speaker 1: latest on the Colts, you're in the right place. Check

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Speaker 1: Rick VN. Terry, I'm Matt Taylor. Thanks for listening to

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