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Speaker 2: All right, three big topics to start the show. Let's

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Speaker 2: kick things off with Connor Kabeb. A lot of moving

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the because there's actually a lot of

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Speaker 2: those two. Connor Kulbebe. We start with the Connor side

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Speaker 2: of things, excuse me, the Kobeb side of things. First,

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Speaker 2: he spoke to ESPN's Brett Okamoto, and Brett was like,

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Speaker 2: is this thing between you and Connor done? Because Dana

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Speaker 2: Or Connor's comments it's all right, and behavior heads scuttle that.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me? And he said, look, they could give me

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Speaker 3: Not yet? Okay, Look, Habib is a man of his principles.

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Speaker 3: my life. I will say I believe him in those regards, Luke.

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Speaker 3: But I think there's still that glimmer of hope from

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Speaker 3: very much fueled by a very obvious reason. Connor Habib two,

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Speaker 3: mean it really is, Luke. Okay, I don't know. Can

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Speaker 3: It's more about the ultimate fighter that does nothing for

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Speaker 3: That's a vehicle that exposes what Connor does best. Talk

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Speaker 2: I beat SOERRONI I just beat Party. And again, the

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Speaker 2: Luke, Yeah, exactly. So, like I get why the UFC

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Speaker 3: I make of that as just in a double down publicly,

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Speaker 3: I just don't think you ever do that, Luke, when

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Speaker 2: But he didn't do that. He cut to the front

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Speaker 3: On the end of Connor, by the way, you sound

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Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with boxing. It's like, on

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Speaker 3: Again, I hope it's leverage. I hope it's pressure, And

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Speaker 3: still a thing, Luke, you remember what he said, if

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, this is the weird thing about Habib is like,

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Speaker 2: it falls apart. You can't make that one. You want

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Speaker 2: don't like the guy, Fuck the guy, you just don't

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Speaker 2: like him. Fine, I'll buy it. But you got pictures

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Speaker 2: on Instagram with Kadirov, you know, hold your horses a

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Speaker 3: I mean, I guess that's fair, but you know, everybody's

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Speaker 3: well though, Luke was you want, all right what she

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Speaker 2: Certainly, I wouldn't challenge it, but it's not a question

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Speaker 2: I've thought deeply about. I'll put it that way, BC,

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Speaker 2: And you bring it up, by the way an uncomfortable

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Speaker 3: That's one to point there, my guy, all right, come on,

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Speaker 2: All right. I like him too. I like him.

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Speaker 3: You've got to protect your own luke in this in

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Speaker 3: this space, all right, the lot of sharks out there,

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Speaker 3: as you have so eloquently put many times.

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Speaker 2: I was texting him about his newborn, giving him some advice.

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Speaker 2: We had a great conversation.

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Speaker 3: So it was good because if you crossed him by

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Speaker 3: the way, I'll get in the middle of that a second. Okay,

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Speaker 3: thank you?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah? Would you? Who would you be? What would

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Speaker 3: What are you asking me?

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Speaker 2: Like friend versus friend? And you're that middle guy? What's

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. I'd be Miss Elizabeth and the

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Speaker 2: No, that what I get that? What I get what

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Speaker 3: Yeah with Lex Lugur. No, straight up, she she did

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Speaker 3: couldn't handle that. Luke, it's happened before. It's a dangerous drug.

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Speaker 3: Didn't lend bias, teach us anything.

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Speaker 2: You know what. God bless lem blast, God bless uh.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know she died that way, So I retract

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Speaker 2: my Yeah, don't spoke about her sadness please, all right,

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Speaker 2: So we move on to topic number two. Here BC,

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Speaker 2: there is a Bellatore show, and to me, this is

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Speaker 2: forty nine is tomorrow. Cyborg is back in action. She

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Speaker 2: Let's break some of this down because the card actually

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Speaker 2: She's on a three fight win street. She has wins

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Speaker 2: People from Oceana, but she is certainly from that region

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Speaker 2: she got some decent boxing.

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Speaker 3: She has good she has some pro boxing fights too, exactly, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, she's got hands, she has a good job,

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Speaker 2: She's five six. While she is naturally sized, I think

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Speaker 2: It's like, okay, pick your poison. You want to slug

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Speaker 2: kind of chance do you give, Arlene Blencoe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, not a great chance obviously, because Cyborg has

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Speaker 3: I think you do have to take into a couple

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Speaker 3: You know, at some point Cyborg is going to show

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Speaker 3: can argue that we already saw some signs of it.

429
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Speaker 3: Some people think the Amanda Nunas fight was a big

430
00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,760
Speaker 3: you know, asterisk condor I don't. I just think Cyborg

431
00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,280
Speaker 3: got too in love with getting in a brawl with

432
00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,119
Speaker 3: somebody who was willing and abele and was on her

433
00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,400
Speaker 3: level and was like, yeah, I'll test myself right now,

434
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 3: and got served for it. Cyborg is, though, you know,

435
00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 3: time is gonna slow her down. So if Blenco can

436
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,720
Speaker 3: box rather than slug, maybe she's got a chance. I

437
00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 3: don't love her chances. I do like her in this

438
00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:23,080
Speaker 3: fight though, meaning this one of the benefits Luke of

439
00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,119
Speaker 3: Cyborg making this switch, not just the personal benefits of

440
00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,679
Speaker 3: being in an organization and somebody Scott Coker, who she

441
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,199
Speaker 3: respects and has history with with Strikeforce, and look, she

442
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,080
Speaker 3: really feels like she got a raw deal with USC

443
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,959
Speaker 3: and I think to a large degree, if you look

444
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 3: at the history of it, save for that video she

445
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,640
Speaker 3: put her team put out, she pretty much did get

446
00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,359
Speaker 3: a raw deal. She's in a place where they have

447
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,720
Speaker 3: legitimate one hundred and forty five pound women, they don't

448
00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,720
Speaker 3: just have all blown up bantam weights. So I think

449
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,399
Speaker 3: when you look at Blenco's history, her only losses in

450
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 3: Belator Luke and she's been in there forever are to

451
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,680
Speaker 3: like a still prime marlus konan by submission, and then

452
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,639
Speaker 3: two really close decision losses to Julia bud one by

453
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 3: majority decision won by split decision for the title. So

454
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 3: her she's on a three fight win streak. Give her

455
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,640
Speaker 3: a chance. Cyborg should win, And I think obviously Cyborg

456
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,320
Speaker 3: is the right use of sort of this American debut

457
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,960
Speaker 3: of the CBS Sports Network for belots Or, which is

458
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 3: a strong move for them in terms of getting a

459
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Speaker 3: line with a sports network, and we went through all

460
00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 3: that before. But no, I'm not gonna pick the upset

461
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 3: here and give Blenkwill more chances than she deserves at

462
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 3: this point. I do want to watch Cyborg closely, though

463
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: I know you know this, even with having an actual

464
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty five pound division as opposed to

465
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 3: the UFC, which again mostly has blown up bandon weights.

466
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,200
Speaker 3: There's just you know, there's only a certain finite amount

467
00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 3: of actual women's featherweights who would have a chance against her.

468
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 3: I do like that Beltar has Julia Bud who she

469
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,600
Speaker 3: beat for the title. Of course they want a bill

470
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Speaker 3: to or to rematch.

471
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Speaker 2: There.

472
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 3: You also have Katzangana, who's still lingering and coming off

473
00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 3: a win in her Belatore debut after the long absence,

474
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Speaker 3: So I want to watch closely does Cyborg still have

475
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 3: it at this level in this fight? And I think

476
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 3: that's the real hook.

477
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: The interesting part for me here is that I think

478
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,679
Speaker 2: blenk was probably overmatched. I've not looked at the odds.

479
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 2: It's winnable to the extent that it stays on the feet.

480
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: But that's probably about it for me. But what is

481
00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: kind of interesting is b see. You know, you think

482
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 2: about what Dana White's criticisms were of Cyborg as she exited,

483
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 2: and there were many, but one of them was basically

484
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,600
Speaker 2: that Cyborg wanted easy fights. Now, I certainly would not

485
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: call Blenco with easy fight, but probably not the same

486
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 2: kind of challenge as facing you know, Amanda Nunez or

487
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,240
Speaker 2: Holly Holm or something else. Even though I think Cyborg

488
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,119
Speaker 2: cou could still compete against both of them pretty well.

489
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,680
Speaker 2: I favor Amanda, but you get that ideat. I don't

490
00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 2: think it'd a blowout, and she thought smarter the second time.

491
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: But you know what it's it's it's weird. I actually

492
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,960
Speaker 2: agree with Dana that she did. But you got to

493
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 2: remember something one belator showing to build this division. What

494
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: better person to build one forty five if you don't

495
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: have Amanda Unas than Cyborg. That's probably the best terms

496
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: of name value on which she still can offer. And two,

497
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: Cyborg's thirty five. She's thirty five years old, dude, for

498
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: a female athlete. For a male athlete at one hundred

499
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 2: and forty five pounds, that is not young. She's been

500
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: fighting on national television for well over a decade at

501
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,919
Speaker 2: this point. I actually feel like she's doing the Bellatore

502
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 2: senior thing, but no one really notices because it's a

503
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: division that needs a lot of work in terms of

504
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 2: its depth and development and the identification of the next

505
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: stars and recruitment. So it's actually a way for everyone

506
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:29,919
Speaker 2: to win. Bellator wins because they get Cyborg and you

507
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 2: can use it as a signpost to build around. She

508
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 2: still gets fights that are winnable, but you know, she

509
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: still has to train for them and be competitive. But

510
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 2: she's not gonna get killed against you know, the very

511
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: very best where her record might take a hit in

512
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,160
Speaker 2: What I would say is, I'm not saying she's retiring TOMORROWBC,

513
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 2: but it probably is the last stage of her career.

514
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: I do not anticipate her fighting after Bellator. I think

515
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 2: she'll probably retire Here.

516
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 3: You're saying this is like when Fador entered the Strikeforce

517
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 3: Grand Prix, that of her career thing.

518
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: Yes, but like remember Fador was fighting Bigfoot. I was

519
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 2: there in New Jersey the night he got beat. She

520
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: doesn't have to worry about that. She's not fighting the

521
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 2: exact same level of competition. Again, I'm not saying Blenco

522
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 2: is some pushover. I'm saying I think there's still a

523
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: reasonable case to be made for Cyborg's eventual victory. But

524
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: it's this weird situation where like Dana's right, but he's

525
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 2: not right in the way that he thinks he is.

526
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 2: Bellator actually gets a lot of benefit from a situation

527
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: where Cyborg's thirty five and needs this last chapter to

528
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 2: not be as arduous as the middle chapters.

529
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 3: And let's be honest, we've seen Cyborg throughout most of

530
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Speaker 3: her career being in on competitive fights because she's been

531
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 3: so dominant and there hasn't been a deep pool of

532
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 3: people for her to fight. I mean, even in the

533
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: Great UFC, they were, you know, scratching and klonned to

534
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 3: find a Tanya evaner Maheta's wife anyoneted to step up

535
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 3: at last minute. So so that you know, we've already

536
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: been through who did you say, Luke, what's her name?

537
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out to her.

538
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: You know, so we've already seen enough of her blown

539
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 3: people out. It could actually get fun as she starts

540
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: to you know, slip a little bit and get slower

541
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: if she ends up being in a little bit more

542
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: competitive fights. But I want to ask you this because

543
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 3: there's always rumors lingering about, like, you know, her link

544
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: to certain fights that are hard to make. She's thirty five, now,

545
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 3: we don't know how long she's gonna fight. Which of

546
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 3: the three super fights left for her are most likely

547
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: to happen first or at all? Luke, here we go. Okay,

548
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: you ready for this? A boxing match against Katie Taylor

549
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 3: of the Lightweight Champion right now, all four belts on

550
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 3: the women's side, an MMA fight against pfl's Kayla Harrison,

551
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: or should she go on some kind of run and

552
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 3: her contract come up? A rematch with Amanda Newness under

553
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: the UFC.

554
00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: The Kala one seems the most likely. The Kala one,

555
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: the Katie Taylor one.

556
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: The movie at All? Would any of those Movie at

557
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 3: All kill robbed? We didn't get her? An Amanda part two?

558
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: I forg get the Dutch lady she fought Cyborg went

559
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: on a kickboxing fight for Lion Fight. If you remember

560
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: that promotion back on HD net in the day was

561
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: oh God, I forget her name? And what was it? Uh?

562
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: I forget, I forget You're Ina Bars. You're Ina Bars.

563
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: And she got worked over like a summer job. You

564
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: Arena Bars beat her ass from pillar to post. But

565
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: you know what, she kind of stood in there and

566
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: took it. It was pretty amazing to watch Katie Taylor.

567
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: I suspect, what does Katie Taylor's walk around? Wait?

568
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 3: I don't usually ask women that she fights at one

569
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 3: thirty five so probably what one eight, Yeah, one fifty.

570
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: So you could make it, but Katie Taylor would probably

571
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: have her way. I suspect smoker.

572
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: Look, Katie Taylor's a slick boxer with technique in angles,

573
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 3: like she'd smoke Cyborg.

574
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, Okay, So then so then you get

575
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: the other two. The evandaer Noon has one. I just

576
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 2: don't see is UFC doesn't want to be in the

577
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: cyborg business. So the one that's interesting is Kayla Harrison

578
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: because while she is with PAF, which seems to have

579
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 2: some kind of espn UFC association with them. I don't

580
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: know how fair that is, but it feels that way. Nevertheless,

581
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 2: you get a scenario where she's gonna want a big fight,

582
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: Cocher will co promote when the time calls. We've seen that,

583
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: and that's a more interesting fight you could make than

584
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: anyone in the UFC except for Manda. But like, would

585
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 2: they sign Kayla, who's a natural one to fifty fiver

586
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: to compete at one forty five? Can she make one

587
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: forty five Cyborg? It seems to me would be more

588
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: willing to accommodate the size differential that Kayla might enjoy. Okay, Okay,

589
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying.

590
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 3: Look, what did you do you ever think what a

591
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 3: Cyborg Rowsey fight at a catchway one forty would have looked? Like?

592
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: Do you ever think about that?

593
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 2: Well? See that was the other part too. It's like,

594
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: this is why I think she ended up with Bellator

595
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 2: when she left UFC. I'm not saying Cyborg never made

596
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: mistakes or didn't handle things in bad faith or things

597
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 2: she could have done better at a bare minimum. I

598
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 2: think when Danna make some criticisms about her, some of

599
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: that has to be true. Which parts you decide, But

600
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: it can't all be that the UFC just abused her.

601
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. On the other hand, there's enough

602
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: there to see from the UFC side where they tried

603
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: to make her go below one forty five that you know,

604
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: it was just their relationship had sour to the point

605
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: of irreparable. You know, they'd moved into a new stage

606
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: of things. You know, Coker's not going to do that.

607
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: It's not going to be in a position where they

608
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: ever have to think about those things. And so if

609
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: they had ever made a fight where Cyborg could have

610
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 2: made the wait where she you know, naturally was I

611
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: think she would have. At the time, I thought Rossie

612
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:42,959
Speaker 2: would have done a lot, a little bit better. In retrospect,

613
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: I think Cyborg would have thrashed her.

614
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, she would have absolutely smoked her. It would have

615
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 3: been interesting to see though, if obviously, if Rowsey could

616
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: have gotten her to the ground. You know, we always

617
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: hear about Cyborg's ground game. You don't really see her

618
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 3: in sponsors. She has to use it though.

619
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's pretty good. I saw her compete god years

620
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 2: ago in a gee tournament. I think she was only

621
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where she was. I'm not sure what level.

622
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 2: It was, maybe purple or brown, something like that, and

623
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: she was good. She was tossing those girls around like

624
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 2: it was nothing. So I suspect, you know, not Olympic

625
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 2: level Judoka good, but probably pretty good elsewhere on that

626
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,719
Speaker 2: card BC. This is an interesting fight. It's falling by

627
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 2: the wayside here. In terms of visibility, patricky Freday taken

628
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: on Jualil Willis now Julia Willis is your or was

629
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:32,919
Speaker 2: your reigning welterweight champion out of LFA probably the one

630
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: of the more pre eminent shows in North America in

631
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: terms of recruiting and discovering and developing talent. Taking on Patricky, Fredae,

632
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: the brother of Patricio and Patricky, said something kind of

633
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: interesting BC. First of all, this fight's at lightweight, which

634
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: is I didn't know Willis was going to go down

635
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: to lightweight. That is interesting. Secondly, Patricky said, if he

636
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 2: wins this, Patricio might just drop the belt so that

637
00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: he could get a title shot. Is this a title

638
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: shot eliminator?

639
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: Uh? I don't, I mean, look, but correct me if

640
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 3: I'm wrong. Bellatre isn't overflowing with names at lightweight at

641
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 3: the moment, right, No, But still that seems a little shady.

642
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: Even with the brother on brother trick right there, that

643
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: seems a little a little weird. But you gotta say this.

644
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 3: We always look at Patricky as the other brother, the

645
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: Ozzie Conseko of the two. Yet he hasn't lost Luke

646
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: in four years and he fights often since that incredible

647
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: one punch knockout by Michael Chandler, remember when Patricky had

648
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: the weird seventies porn mustache and he got sent to

649
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 3: Hell and really one of the best one punch, straight

650
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: up knockouts in recent MME history. He's done nothing but

651
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 3: win sence. Then so, uh, he's on a nice little

652
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: run here. By the way, they're not twins, Luke, I

653
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: was under the belief they were. This is one of

654
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: the great I didn't know that. You know, the Pipuls

655
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: not twins.

656
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're just brothers. Yeah, by the way, right, the

657
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: Conseco reference I don't think is very fair. It's a

658
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: little bit more like well even no, even the Antonina

659
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: Chevchenko one. Isn't fair that that he's better than that.

660
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got his limits. You saw what Chandler

661
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 2: did to him, but he's actually.

662
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: Is that where you're going. Should have slid, by the way,

663
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 3: should have slid against Ga there.

664
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you could do the Giambi one. I don't

665
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: think that's quite right. But the point I would make

666
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: is he's The difference between Willis and Patricky is that

667
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 2: Willis is actually pretty good. I watched some tape on him.

668
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,719
Speaker 2: He's got he's well rounded. He can do a lot

669
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: of the modern things, but his game is not exactly

670
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: at the highest level. From what we can tell, it's

671
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: not exactly as dangerous as Patricky. Patricky is very much

672
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: of a finisher, in part because he takes more risks.

673
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 2: So this will be a very interesting challenge where Willis

674
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,479
Speaker 2: can manage space and distance, he can extend rounds if

675
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: he needs to, he can wrestle if he needs to.

676
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: He's got a decent ground game. And then Patricky, you know,

677
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: he takes some losses that can be quite bad, but

678
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 2: at the same time he could dish out some punishment

679
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: as well, So could be a nice contrast of styles there.

680
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: We'll see how that one goes. I just don't know

681
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 2: if it's a title eliminator. That's a little strong. No,

682
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 2: it's not. It shouldn't be.

683
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: It really shouldn't be. But in respect to the brother

684
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: on brother thing there in your family, to your brother

685
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 3: who completely straight up gave me the Thomas no cell

686
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: on my Instagram dms, are you Patricio or Patrici? In

687
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 3: the Patricky in this we normally would call him free Air,

688
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 3: but to you their guy Fiedi or however your Colombian

689
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: pronunciation is. But which one are you, Luke?

690
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 2: It's not Colombian, it's Fredae. I don't know how they

691
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: go from free Air to Frede, but that's how it

692
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: was told to me by people who speak Portuguese. So

693
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: I'll take that for what it's worth. Secondly, I'm definitely AMU,

694
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: you're Patricio. Yeah, American is not an excuse to claim ignorance.

695
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: I hope that you understand that.

696
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: I thought it was saved for years. Turns out to

697
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 3: Charde who knew.

698
00:31:54,760 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: No, it's not Sharde, it's Shade. Shade. Definitely Patricio. Of

699
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: the two, he's he's you.

700
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: Know, he's, he'ses he can say, I mean, he's.

701
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: He's Mark hughes On, Matt hughes You know what I'm saying.

702
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: It's like that, Yes, yeah, you're you're Jim Miller. He's

703
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: Dan Miller, right, Hey, Dan Miller.

704
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: Is pretty good. Dan Miller had a great guillotine in

705
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: i FLA. Last but not least, Ben Dejas versus Ego

706
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: is actually the most competitive fight on this card. I

707
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: would argue Ben Dejas the guy who sent h James

708
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 2: Gallaher to hell. Leandro Ego got sent to hell by

709
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: Aaron Peeko, but actually a very very good fighter. Both

710
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: of these guys tend to get losses when they when

711
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: they go that level up, so they're trying to decide

712
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: who can be who could be the one that doesn't

713
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 2: falter when they have to really, really truly level up

714
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: strikers well rounded at t I'm not sure where ego

715
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: trains out of it. It might be, but in either case,

716
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: hell of a fight. I like this one.

717
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: I like this one a lot as well. And this

718
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 3: is what Beltzer kind of gives you off and on

719
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: these undercards is just straight up bangers with hungry guys. Luke,

720
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 3: do you know where the most savage pro mma fights

721
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: are conducted? Have you ever been to a bellator fight

722
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 3: and watched the post limbs after the main event ends.

723
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: It's human sacrifice.

724
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: And the thing is when one guy gets knocked out

725
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: in the fight. At first of all, there's only usually

726
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: like fifteen people left in the crowd. It's like the

727
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: local gym and the parents from the one guy, and

728
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 3: then the other people on the opposite and they scream

729
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 3: like crazy. When somebody gets sent to hell, which is

730
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: usually instantaneous, they've dragged the body out and the next

731
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 3: fight is like ding ding ding, here we go. It's brutal, dude.

732
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 3: It's brutal, dude.

733
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: They don't even at that point, they're like fuck the entrances.

734
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: You know, there's no post fights speech or whatever, get

735
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: in there, murder this other guy, fight to the death.

736
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: It's like the scene from you know, Djengle Unchained where

737
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio hands one of those dudes the hammer. It's

738
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 2: like here, you know, finish off the job, and then

739
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: they just give the hammer to the next guy. Yeah.

740
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: Very reminiscent of Jasmine Saint Clair's Gangbang. Absolutely.

741
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: Yes. Last thing this should be noted on the prelim

742
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: card is a prospect that all of MMA should be

743
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 2: aware of Kyle Krutchmer, who's six and zero he heads

744
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: into this contest. This is a guy who wrestled out

745
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: of Oklahoma State. He wrestled internationally for a time and

746
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: is now making his way into MMA. Very very good,

747
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: very athletic, still very much in the developmental stage, so

748
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 2: don't expect the world, but he appears to be somebody

749
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: you should keep an eye on for when he had

750
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: a few more fights from now, maybe a year or so,

751
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: he might be ready for a big step up. Kyle Crutchmer,

752
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: keep your eyes on him, all right, all right, very good?

753
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 2: And then topic number three BC, all right, let's make

754
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 2: sense of this, and we got Roy Jones talking to

755
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 2: Joe rogan I want to get into that too, But

756
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: Fury and Wilder three appears to be donezo at a

757
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: bare minimum, it does not appear to be happening. In

758
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Fury said, I'm moving on and we haven't

759
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: really heard from Wilder, but his manager Shelley Cherry Fink

760
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: excuse me, says, you know what's still on. Don't worry

761
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 2: about it. It's not going anywhere. What is going on?

762
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 2: What is the big takeaway from what appears to be

763
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 2: the end of Wilder Fury three.

764
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, we tease this on Monday show and since then

765
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 3: Bob Aram, whose of course is the co promoter of

766
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: Tyson Fury, talked to ESPN and said, look, we haven't

767
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: heard from the from the Finkel PBC side outside of

768
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: that SoundBite you mentioned from Shellye Finkel, and obviously Wilder's

769
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 3: co manager Al Hayman of the PBC doesn't talk to

770
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: the media. So from Aram's point of view, Luke and

771
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: this is very interesting. They did have a contractually obligated

772
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 3: window to make the trilogy fight. Aaron claims that the

773
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 3: PBC side, who of course thought Wilder you know, was

774
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,280
Speaker 3: going to win the rematch, wanted that window as small

775
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 3: as possible because they thought Wilder would knock out Fury.

776
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 3: Let's get the trilogy out of the way and then

777
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: we can move on. So they claim that that that

778
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 3: window has expired and Fox and PBC, which you know,

779
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 3: Fox would be the other half of the co pay

780
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: per view with ESPN, their unwillingness to fit this in

781
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 3: in December. According to aerm there are no legal, you know,

782
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 3: things against him, and this fight is off. So this

783
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: is very interesting, and Aaron did blame it on Fox,

784
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: saying we could not accommodate that pay per view window

785
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: in December. They preferred late January or maybe even February. Luke,

786
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: you could make the argument we kind of have on

787
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: the show before that you know, we didn't necessarily need

788
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: this fight right now. I'm not saying we don't need

789
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 3: this fight, ever. I think you know you're gonna see

790
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: this show. You may see the four fights between them

791
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: before it's all said and done. But because of how

792
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: one sided that loss was, and because a lot of people,

793
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: including me, already felt that Fury kind of got robbed

794
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 3: in the first fight and had done enough to beat

795
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: wild they're not kind of he did. He got robbed

796
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 3: a right straight up, we didn't actually need this next

797
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: I think it's very interesting if we don't go here

798
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 3: and it doesn't look like they are. Fury has already

799
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 3: announced that he wants to December. I think it's fifth

800
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 3: comeback fight in England. In terms of opponents, Lucas Brown,

801
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,439
Speaker 3: who's a journeyman heavyweight from Australia had some drug issues

802
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 3: in the past, came forward and said they're talking to him.

803
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: I'm not really sure where they're going with that one,

804
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 3: but for the idea that Wilder, if you give him

805
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 3: time to rebuild, what could he look like? And this

806
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: is a very interesting topic to me, Luke. We know,

807
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: as we talked about the other day, they got rid

808
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: of Mark Brelan in that corner. JD is still there,

809
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 3: but Floyd Mayweather has been training fighters more and more,

810
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 3: not like officially as the lead trainer, but more helping out.

811
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: He's playing a big role in Gervonte Davis's corner heading

812
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: into this Leo Santa Cruz fight. We've heard him say

813
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: in the past publicly that he would you know, he

814
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: thinks he could do a lot with Wilder. Now you've

815
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 3: got Roy Jones Junior on The Rogan Show. And by

816
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: the way, that was a very good episode yesterday kind

817
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 3: of saying the same thing. You know, give me a

818
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: give me six months, give me a year with this guy,

819
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: and I can make that left hand a weapon. And

820
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: when you look at Wilder, the right hand is an

821
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: all time right hand. Obviously, he's very athletic. He has

822
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 3: overcome in the past many times his inability to be

823
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: a pure boxer. Some fights, the jab works great. The

824
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: more skilled fighters he gets into, the jab isn't a weapon.

825
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: I feel like this is the best move for Wilder overall. Luke,

826
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 3: why not go back in there, because you know he's

827
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: gonna knock out ninety percent of the heavyweight division.

828
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: It is what it is.

829
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 3: Why not go in there, build more confidence, maybe bring

830
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: in a new co trainer, and maybe figure this thing out.

831
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: And if you have to sit on the sidelines as

832
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,359
Speaker 3: Fury attempts to unify against Anthony Joshua, well you're gonna

833
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 3: be the guy they want to face coming out of that,

834
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: you know, for all four belts. And oh, by the way,

835
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: they're probably going to be thinking you're an easy path

836
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: to victory because of how badly he lost a Fury.

837
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 3: Now again, he's gout. He had a left biceps injury

838
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 3: and he had surgery for it afterwards. That played a

839
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: part as much as the stupid excuse of the heavy costume.

840
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 3: Did I have to believe under any circumstance he would

841
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: be more competitive than people think coming out of that.

842
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:37,479
Speaker 2: But what do you think.

843
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 3: Wilder's future looks like? Would you really try to blow

844
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: this up and really try to teach the old dog

845
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 3: some tricks here?

846
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about Wilder that you know, I sort

847
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: of admire and I don't. He is one of these

848
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: guys who has made a point to say you can

849
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: come from Alabama like I did, and you can be

850
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 2: something in this world. You know, he still training at

851
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: the gym where he began to train, where he walked

852
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: in the door, basically, or as soon as j D

853
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: D has discovered him, and there might have been another

854
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: one along the way, but in general, he didn't go

855
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: out to California to train at wild Card. He didn't,

856
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: you know, he didn't go down to Florida to find

857
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: some Jim you know that where Codo or Keith Thurman

858
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: had trained or something. He stayed in Alabama and that

859
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: was good enough to do what he did, it is

860
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: clearly not good enough to get him where he wants

861
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: to go or at least at this point return. So

862
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 2: is he going to remain loyal to the point where

863
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: like almost like a Cody Garbrandt alpha male situation where

864
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: even Cody now realized, I gotta go expand my horizons

865
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: a little bit. But what I mean is, you know,

866
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: pre ultimate fighter with TJ Dillashaw, is he going to say,

867
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: you know, I'm J Diaz or bust I'm going to

868
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: bring in somebody else, but no one really who's going

869
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 2: to have the power to do a whole lot Like

870
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: even if he brings in Roy or if he brought

871
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 2: in Floyd. Let's say Roy seems to be a little

872
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: bit more realistic because Roy will accommodate fighters in terms

873
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: of you know, living there and whatever. Is he going

874
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 2: to listen to Roy? Is Roy gonna have the power

875
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: to really make an impact. It's like, it's not that

876
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: I don't believe Roy has wisdom to impart. The question

877
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 2: is who is Wilder at this stage in his career.

878
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: Who is he as a man? Does he listen to

879
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: other people in that kind of a way. Seems to

880
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: me he is very loyal perhaps to a fault, and

881
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: stubborn to a fault. And so as much as I

882
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 2: recognize there's room for development from the outside looking in,

883
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: the question is internally in the heart and the mind

884
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 2: of Wilder. Is he ready to let in people to

885
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: have that room for improvement? And I am very very

886
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: skeptical of that.

887
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, if he's not, then you know, it's always it

888
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 3: would be hard to favor him against the truly very

889
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: elite out there, the Furies, maybe even the Joshuas Alexander Usik.

890
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: If he ends up, you know, doing that and climbing

891
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: that ladder and showing us what he is, I hope

892
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 3: he would be humble enough to say, Okay, it hasn't worked.

893
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 3: And maybe again, maybe the exit of Mark Breland isn't

894
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 3: all about throwing in the towel. Maybe this is the

895
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 3: beginning of a reshaping. If you wanted to stay loyal

896
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,959
Speaker 3: to Jay Diis and the whole crew in Alabama, that's fine.

897
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 3: We've seen before Luke bringing in a co coach, bringing

898
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: in an advisor type of deal. I mean, Tyson Ferry

899
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: just did that sort of flip the script and brought

900
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: in a new guy and got more offensive. Would you now,

901
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 3: look the Roy Jones one seems to work from this standpoint.

902
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: Jones was just a different boxer from everybody else. He

903
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: was able to break rules because he was so athletic,

904
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 3: and you would think in theory that's gonna be hard

905
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 3: for him to teach regular orthodox fighters who don't have

906
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: his athleticism how to do that. It works when he's

907
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: training Chris Yubank Junior right now, who's another guy who

908
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 3: isn't traditional is more about power and surge and athleticism.

909
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 3: Well so is Wilder. So I think that could be

910
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: a very interesting one. How about Teddy.

911
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: Atlas also interesting one.

912
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: I mean ya, he'd have to really get humble Deontay

913
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: and bite down. But you know, I'm torn between this idea.

914
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 3: Do you get somebody Luke who tries to fill in

915
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: the gaps of what you don't have meaning technical ability

916
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:04,320
Speaker 3: boxing sense and you know you could already make the

917
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: argument if Mark Breeland, who's a you know, beautiful technical boxer,

918
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 3: can't help change that, who can? Or do you go

919
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 3: the other route and double down on his strength? Do

920
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 3: you bring in a Freddie Roach and say offensively, you're

921
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 3: the best offensive heavyweight fighter we've seen in a long

922
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: ass time. Let's find ways to be even more dominant offensively.

923
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 3: I mean, which direction do you go if you're Al

924
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: Hayman and Shelley Finkel in this record?

925
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 2: I think you go more the latter, but not in

926
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: the way that maybe the question suggests. Right, you cannot

927
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: reshape Wilder. It's too late. His development is what it

928
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: is at this point. You know the guys, if not thirty,

929
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: certainly near it. You know he is going to fight

930
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: the way more. Yeah, exactly, so like so like to

931
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: the point being is he's gonna fight the way he's

932
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 2: gonna fight. However, let's take those instincts and how do

933
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: we use those to maximum advantage? Adding some offensive tools,

934
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 2: some tricker resent camouflage. I think Roy could be very

935
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: good for that. And also, you know we spoke you

936
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 2: talk to fighters, finding ways for him to create more

937
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 2: openings and to make him a little bit more selective

938
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 2: about how he throws, giving him some different looks to achieve. Right, So,

939
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: creating openings which he could not really do against the

940
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 2: problem he had against Fury was even the first time

941
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: he couldn't force Fury to be open. Now, a couple

942
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: of times he found it, because if you're not, you know,

943
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: one hundred percent doubt in the whole time. You know, Okay,

944
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: he'll be patient and he waits, and he's got that

945
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: home run right hand. But you know, how can we

946
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 2: take this guy who's got this home r right hand

947
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 2: and just create a few more cracks in the armor

948
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: that would have a major impact. This guy's waiting till

949
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: the seventh eighth round to flatten people because he has

950
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 2: to wait that long for them to make a mistake.

951
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: Well what if you could get that by the second

952
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 2: or the third or the fourth. That's a game changer, man.

953
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's that far away, So Roy

954
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: to me would be kind of perfect in that regard.

955
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: One more note about this though, BC. This is the

956
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 2: other part. It's like, Okay, Fury, you know, is moving on.

957
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: You understand his perspective. Maybe that maybe that expedites the

958
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: timeline for a Joshua fight, although he's got work to

959
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: do in front of him. But here here's the other

960
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: part about it. It's like, I understand Wilder may or

961
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: may not improve, and it might be better the third

962
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: time if he does improve, But in the interim, I

963
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: don't know when the Joshua fight's gonna happen with Fury,

964
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,120
Speaker 2: and then the other part is with Fury. It's like,

965
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: I gotta now watch Fury versus Volleen two. And yes,

966
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 2: I know Volleen gave him trouble the first time, but

967
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 2: a lot of that seemed like the element of surprise.

968
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: And also Veleen was a little bit underrated. Okay, fine,

969
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: and he got away with the cut Fury did. But

970
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: do I really think a second crack is going to

971
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 2: prove that he's better than Tyson Fury? I definitely don't.

972
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 2: It just seems to me there's gonna be a lot

973
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: of waiting for something that might be better later. But shit, dude,

974
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 2: in the interim, it's a lot of nonsense and I

975
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: don't care.

976
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just want to double down on one thing.

977
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 3: If you're in Wilder's team and you're a pro Wilder guy,

978
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: you may not have to panic because again, what Fury

979
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: did to disarm him by having an active guard and

980
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 3: basically taking his jab away completely. Look, there's really nobody

981
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: else that can do that. You know, maybe Alexander Usik,

982
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: but he's not six foot nine with long arms. So

983
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 3: you do need to add something. You don't have to

984
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 3: panic too much even with that one sided lust because

985
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: there just aren't guys who can do that. There aren't

986
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 3: guys who can avoid that punch. There aren't guys who

987
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,959
Speaker 3: can take that punch. But what I think the most

988
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: interesting fallout of this, and you just teased it, is,

989
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 3: you know, there are a lot of fans who don't

990
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: want to see a third fight right now with Fury

991
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: and Wild There don't feel like there's anything else to learn.

992
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: They want to see Fury Joshua. You know, you mentioned

993
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: Joshua's got mandatories. We got to get through that. But

994
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 3: Fury Joshua is such a fricking massive fight, Luke, Is

995
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: that the biggest fight you can make in boxing right now?

996
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: And I know that there's different metrics to that, to

997
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: what makes the biggest fight? Like, is that one of

998
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 3: the only fights you can get a ninety grand ninety

999
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 3: thousand people in a soccer stadium in Europe?

1000
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1001
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 3: Probably? But is that the biggest fight even in America

1002
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: for American casual sports fans that you can make in

1003
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: the entire sport right now to get people to care

1004
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 3: outside of using a Logan Paul or a Floyd Manny two.

1005
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: I guess. I mean maybe Floyd Manny two is the answer.

1006
00:45:55,719 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, someone's computer's on I don't know

1007
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 2: what that is.

1008
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, hey guys, can we Uh.

1009
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 2: Someone's computer is blasting audio, which is not awesome. Uh,

1010
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 2: turning off your fing computer?

1011
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 3: Thank you, sir, Jay jump in there.

1012
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: I would say, I'm trying to think of a Canelo

1013
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 2: fight that could rival that. If you did Canelo Floyd

1014
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,479
Speaker 2: two with that be bigger point.

1015
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 3: That's a good point, Okay, so that would be bigger. Yeah, yeah,

1016
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 3: that would be bigger. I mean, but that's just not

1017
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 3: I don't I don't believe that's realistic.

1018
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: I do.

1019
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: I I'm just thinking in theory, like what you could

1020
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: reason that you put all four belts on the line, Fury, Joshua,

1021
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 3: given their personalities and the size of them. Dude, that's

1022
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 3: a big ass fight.

1023
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: That's I mean, that's it's it's huge. There's there's no

1024
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: denying it. It's absolutely huge. Okay. So there you have it.

1025
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: Those are our top three topics for today. So b

1026
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: see what's the order here. We're gonna do social justice Wednesday,

1027
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: and then you want to do the fan submissions. What

1028
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 2: do you want to do.

1029
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, First, do you want to tell people what

1030
00:46:58,520 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: they should be listening to?

1031
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 2: Oh yes, let's here. We have a promo for kay Galazzo,

1032
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,759
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00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,200
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00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,120
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Speaker 3: Luke Enlighten us And by the way, I'm sure it's

1043
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,760
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1044
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: It's fantastic. Some of the best fantasy pods in the game.

1045
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 3: Big fan. Also, by the way of Sam, you listen

1046
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,279
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1047
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,839
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1048
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Speaker 3: show that really breaks down the inside, you know, no

1049
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,879
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1050
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: usually the Spanish guy who jumps in and corrects us here,

1051
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:06,520
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1052
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: What a goal means? It means what a goal? Galazzo

1053
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Speaker 2: is not just a goal, but it's usually reserved for

1054
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1055
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Speaker 2: what a goal? What a fucking you know? What a shot?

1056
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Speaker 3: Hey, Joaquin Buckley, Kay Galazzo brother, right, yeah.

1057
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Speaker 2: Ca Golazzo. Yes, that's exactly what it would be, all right, Tom?

1058
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: For Social Justice and Wednesday, is there BC watch take

1059
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Speaker 2: it away? Good sir?

1060
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is our new segment for the second time.

1061
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Speaker 3: interwebs here who's talking to who and what? And we

1063
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: bring in the judge, the Great Judge Luke Fauci himself,

1064
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: to declare a decision.

1065
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 2: We'll say, if I'm going to be a judge, because

1066
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci is a you know, disease infectious disease specialist,

1067
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 2: who is that judge? I could be named after her?

1068
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: Named after Yeah, I guess I could have went with

1069
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 2: with what about what about can I be named after

1070
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 2: Lance Itto who was the judge and the OJK.

1071
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 3: Yes, judge Eto, thank you, but thank you. By the way,

1072
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: there is a boxer named Eto under the top rank

1073
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 3: Stable and they call him the judge, which is fantastic.

1074
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,839
Speaker 3: We start out here with a ongoing I'm still going

1075
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: right now social feud, John Jones versus Israel out of Sonia. No,

1076
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 3: we're not talking about hiding under the cage here. Can

1077
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 3: we bleep out that N word next time? But here's

1078
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 3: what John is saying, Luke, Uh yeah, quick, quick trigger

1079
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 3: right there. That was great. John basically says.

1080
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: I noticed. I'm like they put the N word on

1081
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 2: the screen.

1082
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: Okay, let's bring an al campanas here, Luke. Here's the deal,

1083
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: he's saying.

1084
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Base.

1085
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 3: John's basically saying I'm done. You know I'm gonna put

1086
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: this beef on ice. You know that you refuse to

1087
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 3: fight me, No need to give you any more attention,

1088
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: which is such a passive aggressive way to sort of

1089
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 3: like say I'm too good for this, but then get

1090
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 3: sucked back in. So someone says, hey, John, it's clear

1091
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 3: he doesn't want to fight you, and John's like, no, no,

1092
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 3: for real, this time though, This time for real, I'm

1093
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 3: done here. Uh yeah, No, I'm back. Hold on, I'm

1094
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 3: back in. I'm back in. I got more to say.

1095
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: It's easy here, I'm back in. Hold on, hold on.

1096
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 2: We got an Israel out of Sonia drives him crazy?

1097
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 2: Does he not? Vice versa? By the way, is he

1098
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: is better at hiding it? I think? But I think

1099
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: John drives him crazy too.

1100
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 3: No, John, He's in John's head straight up. You're watching

1101
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: it in front of you. He's in John's head. So

1102
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: here's is he coming back? I was playing cold. I

1103
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 3: will bust a fat tonight. Wow wow Wow. Okay, it's

1104
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 3: get a little gross in here, get a little little limpid.

1105
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: No more dick pills, thank you? Okay, Uh, where are

1106
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 3: we going here?

1107
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: I haven't.

1108
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,879
Speaker 3: I haven't read these in advance, as you can see

1109
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 3: by that great N word slip we had there.

1110
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: Well, basically, the idea is that here's one of the

1111
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: central problems out of Soignya beats Coasta all right, then

1112
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: goes into quarantine and MMA media start reaching out and

1113
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,439
Speaker 2: they want to do interviews and whether he even has

1114
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: beef with John online or not. Dude, if I get

1115
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 2: an interview with this out to Sonia post Costa. There's

1116
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 2: no way you don't ask about John Jones. There's no

1117
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 2: way you don't yes. And so if you're yes, if

1118
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 2: you are at a.

1119
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 3: Sorry, I pause you to say a jizz staying in

1120
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: the society of ABQ that where are we going here?

1121
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: Where there's a lot of talk about people's balls and

1122
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: jigs between these two. It's quite it's quite noticing.

1123
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 3: Sry John brand for this show. Yeah, it's great.

1124
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, I would just say, you know, in defense

1125
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,160
Speaker 2: of frankly, either John doesn't do a lot of interviews,

1126
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 2: uh and and Israel does, and so Israel is going

1127
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 2: to look like he's constantly talking about John, which to

1128
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: an extent he is. But that's partly like the fault

1129
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 2: of like doing media or just the media's fault, whatever

1130
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 2: you want to say it, because they're the ones asking him. Now.

1131
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: Granted he doesn't go on say yeah to talk about

1132
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: something else. He kind of gets into it, but it's

1133
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,439
Speaker 2: not like he's out of the blue being like fuck

1134
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: John Jones. He's he's responding to questions.

1135
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: Uh. So the theme of these as you were talking, Luke,

1136
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 3: was uh John's dublin down on look you know, John

1137
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: says he's out now he's back in. But the whole

1138
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: point of what John's saying is fight me already, right,

1139
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 3: fight me? So who wire You know, I can clearly

1140
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 3: say out Asnya won this Twitter battle here, he had

1141
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 3: the better jabs, he came out with the pictures. I mean,

1142
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 3: this is this is brilliant photoshopping right here.

1143
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 2: But is there any substance?

1144
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: Is there any substance to what John's saying, fight me already?

1145
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 3: Don't tell me you need to wait, you know, to

1146
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: build up. Let's do it right now. Who wins from

1147
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 3: that perspective?

1148
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. If you had Actually it's very interesting.

1149
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: If you read Ottasanya's mentions, most people will take his side.

1150
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: If you read John's mentions, most people take his side.

1151
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: Here's where I come down. One, you had the self

1152
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: own with the you know I did hide under the

1153
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 2: cage bit, which I was like shocked, Yes, said.

1154
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: Hey, explain your titty already, right, yeah.

1155
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,200
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about titties, jizz, you know, butt sex.

1156
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 2: I mean, everything is on here on the table. But

1157
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 2: the thing that comes down to is John's basic argument

1158
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: is fight me and Izzi's is like, no, not yet.

1159
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: So it looks like is he as being somewhat either

1160
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: hypocritical or ducking or whatever. But John has never gone

1161
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: up to heavyweight in all his career. Begging other middleweights

1162
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: to fight him when two of the last three opponents

1163
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 2: you faced were former middleweights and now you want another

1164
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 2: one when you've never gone up in wait to me

1165
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: is not the strongest argument. So I actually think is

1166
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: he's while he and here this is the other part

1167
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: of it, is he recognizes he's not Maybe he's ready now,

1168
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: but before he wasn't quite ready. So there's a little

1169
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:32,400
Speaker 2: bit of that involved too.

1170
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 3: I stand like, I think, is he's winning these battles.

1171
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: I think he is in John said, I think he

1172
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 3: is wittier and quicker from the idea of being a

1173
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,239
Speaker 3: keyboard warrior. Here John is going back to the well

1174
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 3: repeatedly and saying, well, then fight me. So here's what

1175
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 3: I say is he knows John's future is a heavyweight,

1176
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 3: so fight him now before he goes up there. And

1177
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 3: I think, if you're you know, and I know that

1178
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 3: plays more into John Jones, because if you are John Jones,

1179
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 3: you want to fight Izy when he's as early as

1180
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 3: you can. And also before he puts on the strength

1181
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 3: and improves, he can go up there. So I do

1182
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 3: stand by John and say this, bro, if you are

1183
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 3: gonna talk that kind of ish, if you are gonna

1184
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 3: you know, go to those levels, then fucking fight me already, bro.

1185
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: All right, yeah he could, he could do it. He

1186
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: could do it now, he could do it now. I

1187
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: think now it's okay, who else is?

1188
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 3: Who else are we saying?

1189
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: So deserves it?

1190
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: Even if Robert Whittaker gets a win coming up here, Luke,

1191
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 3: I know I want to see Whitaker out of asign.

1192
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: You too.

1193
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 3: It will happen eventually, But I don't think this is

1194
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: the time. The time is right. It's the time of

1195
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 3: the season, all right, for for loving let's do it,

1196
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 3: all right, I love this crap.

1197
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 2: All right? Well, I would still say, you know, I

1198
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 2: just don't like the argument that're like, oh, you should

1199
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: come up to wait weight class and fight me, which

1200
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 2: I agree he should, but if you've never gone up

1201
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 2: and wait, it's a harder argument to make.

1202
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 3: John also has too many skeletons to be getting into

1203
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 3: it back and forth.

1204
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 2: Like I know, I know, it's like, dude, you know,

1205
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 2: play the duz. Here's the thing. I actually think John

1206
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: Jones is an underrated trash talker, but it's a little

1207
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,800
Speaker 2: bit more verbally in person. I can bear witness to that,

1208
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: you know myself hashtag twenty seventeen. But in all seriousness,

1209
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: I actually think he's pretty good. But when he goes

1210
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 2: on these long ones over and over and over again,

1211
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: then the car runs out of gas. But that initial sprint,

1212
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 2: it's pretty good.

1213
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 3: Well, he's pretty good when he has the upper hand. Look,

1214
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 3: he dominated Daniel Cormier, still kind of does to this day,

1215
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,439
Speaker 3: even with John's drug issues whenever they go back and forth.

1216
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 3: And the large basis of that is he's got history

1217
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 3: of having beaten DC twice in the cage asterisk or not.

1218
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: So look all beefs at the end of the day,

1219
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 3: end with let's fight already fitt. John already beat DC twice.

1220
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: He's always been in his head he was better there.

1221
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 3: But when it's even terms or somebody has an advantage,

1222
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 3: I mean, look, is he's a witty dude. He didn't

1223
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 3: win this. He can win the fight, though, So let's

1224
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 3: make the fight. That's all I got to say, Luke.

1225
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: And yes he did send you to the basement the

1226
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 3: deep dark reps. You've rebounded. Well, Luken, you didn't hold

1227
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 3: it against him, which is nice. I'll hold it against

1228
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 3: Mike Perry.

1229
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: Yeah see, and tells you like I didn't really, I mean,

1230
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 2: that didn't bother me all that much, to be quite

1231
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 2: honest with you. It was fun for you know, online

1232
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 2: fodder and that kind of thing. And I mentioned we're

1233
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 2: a graveyard for the next six months. But uh, it

1234
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: didn't really bother me all that much. You know, other

1235
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 2: things that fighters have done have bothered me much more.

1236
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 3: All right, all right, well let's move on to number

1237
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: two in the SJ wait may and I'll pause it.

1238
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 3: What other things, Luke? People are gonna get People are

1239
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 3: gonna say, BC, why don't you follow up? You're an interviewer,

1240
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 3: why didn't you follow up? That's a loaded statement for me.

1241
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: There's a million fighters I would love to send to Hell,

1242
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: and I could.

1243
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,719
Speaker 3: But oh wow, I hope there are none of them.

1244
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 3: Fight at one one five. Okay, here we go. Number

1245
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 3: two on the sjaw Al Jermaine Sterling and Peter Yawn.

1246
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 3: It goes like this from Al Joe. Hey, Dana White,

1247
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for your chicken in December, give me your

1248
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: chicken or coming for that ass even though hashtag paused

1249
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: Right there, Luke, what else does this guy need to do?

1250
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: I guess this is what he asked to do. He's

1251
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: got to go on Twitter to get this title shot.

1252
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 3: He's already deserved.

1253
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 2: You know what, for a dude who doesn't speak English,

1254
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,919
Speaker 2: does anyone have a better Twitter game than Peter Yan?

1255
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 3: Yes, amazing, He's amazing.

1256
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: So the question is who is running his account? Whoever

1257
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: it is there understand something. Speaking another language is very hard,

1258
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 2: right the person who runs it not only speaks English,

1259
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 2: but like understands slang and how to like catch and

1260
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 2: throw back. Like they're really quite good at it. Shouts

1261
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 2: to that person, they deserve a gold medal here. Uh yeah,

1262
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: I'm not big on like emojis for like ass and

1263
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: stuff like that unless you're an Instagram you know, influencer.

1264
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:42,960
Speaker 3: Well look, al Joe did say remember that interview after

1265
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 3: he beat San Jigan when he was like, Peter Yan,

1266
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: I'm coming for you. I'm gonna come all over you.

1267
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 3: That was that was accidentally awkward. Look, I think Peter yach,

1268
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: this is either a push or I want.

1269
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: Someone to do that and realize, like mid interview, that

1270
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 2: they've totally jacked it up, and then realize, you know what,

1271
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 2: I was just gonna gold like, we're gonna fuck you

1272
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 2: and me. Two guys banging. That's what's gonna be. Yeah.

1273
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 3: I think Mike Taysta did that one. Remember that time

1274
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: during the Lennox luc Lewis press conference. He's like, I'm

1275
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: gonna f you till you love me. Yeah, that was

1276
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: not a good moment. Then, all right, Litler, it might

1277
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 3: be a push in terms of who won, unless you

1278
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 3: like Peter John's counter jab there of the dickhead. But

1279
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: I think al Joe's wins the argument right, give him

1280
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: the damn time.

1281
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: What are we doing here? I agree? I agree. As

1282
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 2: interesting as Peter yawn is on Twitter or whoever runs

1283
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: his account, Sterling's argument is air tight. And the fact

1284
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 2: that it's gone on this long, it all it does

1285
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: is make Sterling more and more and more a sympathetic character,

1286
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: because you can't say he's not done enough. He's not

1287
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: only done enough, he put the cherry on top with

1288
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 2: a goddamn exclamation point, and so all of this hemming

1289
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 2: and haueing and you're gonna get what's yours and blah

1290
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: blah blah. It makes them look like they're delaying, like

1291
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: they're like maybe they're scared, certainly just not interested in

1292
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 2: being in the alja Man Sterling business when that's the

1293
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 2: only business in town, no doubt about about it. Ten

1294
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: to nine, Aljamaine Sterling, easy call.

1295
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, what is this a skin caller thing?

1296
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 3: I mean, give the guy a damn title shot. Even

1297
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 3: san Haagen said it. And and by the way, we

1298
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: love Cory san Haagen, Right, that win was fantastic. You

1299
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 3: had a great interview with him, You did a dissect

1300
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 3: it on him. We basically blew the guy. On Monday,

1301
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 3: he got smoked by Al Joe put Sterling in that

1302
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 3: damn fight already, Like, come on, bro, By the way,

1303
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 3: I did like in your interview. People think I don't

1304
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 3: read or listen to your content. Well I don't read

1305
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 3: your content ever, but uh luke you in in the

1306
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 3: Sandman talking about Lomachenko Lopez. I kind of popped for that.

1307
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Did you notice when he mentioned his influences they

1308
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 2: were Willie Pep, they were Floyd Donair, all boxers.

1309
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was fantastic. Right there. I love that.

1310
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 2: You know what's funny. MMA fans. We'll talk about this

1311
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 2: in a minute. They're they're like, you know, they don't

1312
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: like talking boxing all that much. MMA fighters love talking boxing.

1313
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 3: Oh love it, love it. Ra set Evans loves it. Yeah,

1314
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 3: they love everybody. They all, they all do. They all

1315
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: love it. They respect the game. Luke, we talked about

1316
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 3: maybe that Big Brown gave him that Sandman nickname. Kind

1317
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 3: of envious of the Big Brown nickname. Do you think

1318
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: I could pull off big beige?

1319
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 2: Big beige? God sounds like an old Navy sale.

1320
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 3: It's kind of manly, right. It sounds bad at first,

1321
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: sounds a little lame at first, but then you think

1322
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: about it.

1323
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: You're like the big Beige sale at Old Navy at

1324
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 2: the Did you have.

1325
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: A nickname growing up, Luke? What did they call you

1326
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 3: an old Marietta?

1327
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:41,680
Speaker 2: No, not not that I'm aware of.

1328
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,440
Speaker 3: You never had a nickname. Like in my hometown, I

1329
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 3: was soup too, Like there are legions of people in

1330
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 3: my hometown who still don't know that I have a

1331
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 3: first name. I didn't carry that into adulthood with me.

1332
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 3: You know, I think I'm BC to you. But what

1333
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 3: did they were you lt uh lt.

1334
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: A lot was one a buddy of mine when I

1335
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: first started jiu jitsu. I was so clumsy and I

1336
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: was bigger than most people. Obviously that he called me Dino.

1337
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: Dino was a big one. All right.

1338
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: I don't hate it.

1339
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 2: I don't hate it. I didn't love it either. It

1340
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 2: didn't really stick. But he tried what they call you

1341
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: in Doha nothing you fucking clown?

1342
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: Wow?

1343
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: Wow?

1344
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 3: God? All right, Gray, Hey, the next on the s

1345
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 3: j W, IT'SBC versus Dino here all right, No, it's

1346
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 3: Nate Diaz jumping in Luke with all this talk. This

1347
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: is typical shit, right. Everyone else is getting a big fight,

1348
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 3: but Nathan Diaz, so he's gonna jump in here, Luke. Uh,

1349
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 3: what was this video again?

1350
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: Is this hooker and Burns? That's what it looks like.

1351
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 3: This was hooker beating the beating up Burns. Uh. I

1352
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 3: don't understand what is he's saying here?

1353
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 2: Why was Sweet unavailable? Did he delete it?

1354
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 3: No? It was just the video. And then so Nate

1355
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 3: comes back, and I think this was in reaction to

1356
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 3: Connor and Porier talk. Well, first he said, your boys

1357
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 3: the number one well to wait right now is he

1358
01:02:11,040 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 3: trying to say. I think he's trying to tell Stylebender

1359
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 3: that your boy Hooker for having previously beaten Gilbert Burns.

1360
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:18,959
Speaker 3: Did that happen?

1361
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, I get it, I get it. I get it. Yeah.

1362
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 2: Uh and so now Hooker's trying to get a fight

1363
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: with him.

1364
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: I don't know what's Yeah, so Hooker's trying to get

1365
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 3: a fight with him. But I was looking more at

1366
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 3: the Nate Diaz comments when he went on, we can

1367
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 3: we advance the slide here where he's getting pissed because

1368
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: you know, Connor took everything he worked for Luke and

1369
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 3: now Connor's getting linked to another.

1370
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 2: Big How did he smoke Parier?

1371
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,200
Speaker 3: So this is what I wanted to ask you. I

1372
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:50,080
Speaker 3: don't think Nate wins this battle because he didn't fight Poorier.

1373
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 3: In fact, I went to look at his record, I'm like,

1374
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:54,840
Speaker 3: did I just forget that happened back in like twenty twelve? No,

1375
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 3: it never happened.

1376
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: Wasn't it Nate who pulled out of that fight? Am

1377
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 2: I mistaken? Or was it Parier who pulled out of

1378
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: that one? Oh? Maybe it was Poer. I think that's

1379
01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: the issue.

1380
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: It was. Oh, so he's saying I beat Poorier at

1381
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 3: Madison Square Garden because Poorie didn't show up for the fight, Right,

1382
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.

1383
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, here's the thing.

1384
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 3: The old you forfeit, you lose.

1385
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,520
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll give the DZ brothers credit. When was the

1386
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 2: last time they pulled out of a fight due to injury?

1387
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 2: Have they ever done that? I mean, they're iron man

1388
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: and I know that sometimes. For example, Nate Diz when

1389
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: he fought half Al dos Angos, he went into that

1390
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 2: fight very very much injured, and you know, probably I

1391
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 2: think he would have lost any way, but that was

1392
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 2: a big reason why he lost at least as badly

1393
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: as he did. But those two are iron men. When

1394
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:44,080
Speaker 2: they say they're gonna fight on a date, and you

1395
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 2: know which is hard to get him to do that.

1396
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 2: But if they say they're going to do it and

1397
01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 2: they sign on the dotted line, dude, they show up. Well,

1398
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: Nick doesn't come to the media stuff, but for the

1399
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 2: fight itself, they show up. They never get it.

1400
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: Right in the hospital room, Joe Riggs, they don't.

1401
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,040
Speaker 2: Care, no doubt about it. But here's the thing. It's like,

1402
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 2: I'll I'll let it slide. If you slapped Kabib at

1403
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: a brawl or you chucked a beer at him at

1404
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 2: a World Series of Fighting events. But Dustin Poarier is

1405
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 2: about a battle tested as they come. When he says

1406
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 2: he's injured, I believe him. I think that doesn't count

1407
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 2: as a win.

1408
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: I do love this. I don't know if Nate wins

1409
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: this argument here, I don't know if he ever wins arguments,

1410
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 3: but I do love that. Anytime somebody else gets a fight,

1411
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 3: you can expect some cryptic, weird sort of tweet like

1412
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 3: what is this saying?

1413
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:28,800
Speaker 2: Now?

1414
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 3: Does he want to fight for the one sixty five

1415
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 3: title against who? Who is he talking about?

1416
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 2: I don't care make one sixty five versus anybody? Yeah,

1417
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: I see, I love I love Dustin Paria's confidence. You

1418
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: put that there. It's great. I will say, there is

1419
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 2: something about the Das' abilities to declare victory that is

1420
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 2: just amazing. The offer wasn't for you, dumbass real fighters

1421
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: only already lost, and you and your teammate are both

1422
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 2: fighting your friends, fake ass fighters.

1423
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 3: It's very chail Sun and like it's very charlie Z

1424
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: like to just declare victories that never happened, or you

1425
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 3: know what, Yeah.

1426
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,440
Speaker 2: Isn't it amazing. It's like the court can be like,

1427
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 2: mister Diaz, we uh we and the jury and the

1428
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: above entitled you know, blah blahlah blah blah uh finds

1429
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: you guilty of all charges related to the crime blah,

1430
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: and he would walk out with his hands up in

1431
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 2: the air for the media, both hands up there. It's amazing.

1432
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,760
Speaker 2: He never ever thinks he loses, which I gotta say,

1433
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: I wish I had that kind of you know, just

1434
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 2: the confidence and the whole thing.

1435
01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. Thank you Nate

1436
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:31,920
Speaker 3: for taking part this week. Can we get him in

1437
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 3: a fight? I'm starting to get scared that, like we're

1438
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 3: probably never gonna see Nate again in a big one, Like, okay,

1439
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,919
Speaker 3: what's his money fight right now? I mean to lose.

1440
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: I think he's got one or two more and then

1441
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: he's gonna be thirty five soon if he's not already

1442
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 2: thirty five, like he's got mere.

1443
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 3: Will he get true or False? Will he get the

1444
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 3: Connor trilogy? Will it ever happen?

1445
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it will, okay, especially especially if Connor

1446
01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 2: loses to Dustin for sure.

1447
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 3: Okay, but now their Daz will ever be in an

1448
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: important fight that has title implications, right, correct.

1449
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to say that, dude, Nick needs to

1450
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 2: just you know, breathe and they'll throw his ass in

1451
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 2: the title fight.

1452
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, I don't know what. I guess.

1453
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,000
Speaker 3: The point of me saying this is I used to

1454
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 3: believe that, and I do believe that UFC, even with

1455
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: how hard the DZs are to work with, just basically

1456
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 3: drop the ball the last three four years, especially during

1457
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 3: that you know, post Connor Nate era, that three years

1458
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 3: where Nate didn't fight at all, whatever, Like you could

1459
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,480
Speaker 3: have done a lot there. But I'm wondering now if

1460
01:06:31,560 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 3: if like the legend, like you know, they're just living

1461
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 3: on legend now, like you know what I mean, you

1462
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 3: get to that point, you know, like are you just

1463
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,720
Speaker 3: gonna go in there and loose? Like yeah, I don't know.

1464
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,800
Speaker 3: I feel like it's over. We had a great run, Luke,

1465
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 3: I feel like it's over.

1466
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 2: Well, you said that about Kabib Connor, and maybe you're right,

1467
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 2: or at least about Connor, but he's not quite done yet.

1468
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 2: So we'll see.

1469
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's our sjaw for the week, Luke. Hopefully

1470
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 3: we'll get some some better beefs. Next week, maybe I'll

1471
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 3: just call it Chuck Minnenhall, Yeah.

1472
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: Why not?

1473
01:06:58,680 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1474
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 2: All right, So I guess we're gonna do a fan

1475
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 2: art after deep Dive. Let's do the deep dive here

1476
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 2: if we can. I think it's going deeper, deep diver,

1477
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 2: whatever the hell we're calling it here. We do it

1478
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: every Wednesday, Elbows, beat balls, deep whatever. We do it

1479
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 2: every Wednesday here on Morning Combat. And this is where

1480
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: we sort of take a topic and give it a

1481
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,640
Speaker 2: little bit more treatment. Today I wanted to dig into

1482
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: something I thought I find kind of interesting, and you

1483
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:20,920
Speaker 2: see it on this show with the fans of it

1484
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 2: all the time, but you see it really everywhere. Despite

1485
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 2: the fact that MMA and boxing as communities and sports

1486
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,920
Speaker 2: have pretty significant overlap in terms of how they are structured.

1487
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: Certainly MMA borrowed its scoring system it is, you know,

1488
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 2: the promotional style and press conferences. They've departed in recent

1489
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 2: years and found their own niche and their own audiences.

1490
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 2: And there are meaningful differences between the two, to be clear,

1491
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 2: but it never seems to they never seem to like

1492
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 2: the other community very much. Now in recent years, we

1493
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: have shows like this one that combined both. You know,

1494
01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 2: we had our crossover between pakiascuse me, between Mayweather and Connor.

1495
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,919
Speaker 2: You see more and more boxers and MMA fighters cross

1496
01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,960
Speaker 2: training or having the same trainers. The worlds are integrating

1497
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 2: more than they ever have BC. But the animosity, yeah,

1498
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 2: there's old James, Tony, the worlds themselves. While they might

1499
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 2: be integrating, that animosity never goes away. Why is there

1500
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 2: such rivalry between the MMA and boxing world.

1501
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:25,080
Speaker 3: I fear it's a good question, and I feel like

1502
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:29,519
Speaker 3: it's come up lately. Maybe not nationally or as a narrative,

1503
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 3: you know, that's all over social media, but kind of

1504
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 3: in our own audience. I feel like we see this

1505
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 3: a lot, Luke. You know the please put the time

1506
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: stamps up. I'm only here for Luke's MMA analysis. I

1507
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: ain't got time for this showtime boxing bullshit, you know,

1508
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: or this week. Hey, MK brought me here, But I

1509
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:47,759
Speaker 3: don't care about Lomachenko low. But I see all those comments.

1510
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 3: I don't get it, Luke, Okay, I remember in the look,

1511
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,360
Speaker 3: I'm one of the biggest NBA fans of all time.

1512
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:55,679
Speaker 3: I remember in the late nineties to early two thousands

1513
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: getting into fights with people the NBA shokes man all

1514
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 3: in Cureboats College. That's the real best dude. It's basketball,

1515
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 3: all right, It's basketball at the end of the day.

1516
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 3: Stop do they do that?

1517
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: Dude?

1518
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 3: People say, you know, I hate track and I'm gonna

1519
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 3: do Cathalon. Guy, I hate javelin on its own. You know,

1520
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 3: anybody ever say that? No, what is the deal here?

1521
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 3: Is fighting? Yeah, it's a little bit different, but I

1522
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: still don't get you know, we're a long way, Luke

1523
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: from the idea that maybe boxing fans or the powers

1524
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 3: that be were nervous that UFC was rising, and maybe

1525
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:30,439
Speaker 3: the mountaintop of that initial buzz was that infamous Sports

1526
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 3: Center debate between Joe Rogan and Lou de Bello and

1527
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,720
Speaker 3: the boxing promoter. You remember that it was like a

1528
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,599
Speaker 3: ten eight round for Rogan. But at that time people

1529
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 3: were still kind of like, man, I can't get down

1530
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 3: with this MMA stuff. It's just as Bob Aeron once

1531
01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 3: famously told Aria, all bunch of skinhead people watching skinhead

1532
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,000
Speaker 3: people fight each other. Dude, We're way past that. Okay,

1533
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,799
Speaker 3: A lot of us in the media now we're starting

1534
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 3: to cover both at the same time. The Kevin Ioli's

1535
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: the you and I the Andreas Hales. A lot of

1536
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 3: our brethren in this game are covering all of it.

1537
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 3: The fighters themselves seem to like both sides. I get that,

1538
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: you know, boxing in particular, the backbone core foundational fan

1539
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 3: is a lot of times, you know, Hispanic based or

1540
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,679
Speaker 3: urban centered, and maybe there's you know, maybe there's still

1541
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 3: that stigma of you know, I'm not really into these

1542
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 3: affliction T shirt wearing guys. But even that feels five

1543
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 3: to ten years too old, Luke, I don't really have

1544
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 3: the answer the hell's the problem here? I've seen them

1545
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 3: and my fans get plenty jazzed up for a big

1546
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 3: time boxing match. Why the week to week get that

1547
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: crap away from me?

1548
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 2: Is it?

1549
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:36,879
Speaker 3: Because?

1550
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:37,280
Speaker 2: Luke?

1551
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: Just the fact, and it's a fact. Boxing constantly shoots

1552
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 3: itself in the foot. Boxing is disorganized. The closer you

1553
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 3: get to boxing, you better love boxing, because the closer

1554
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 3: you get to it, honest, straight up, honest, the harder

1555
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 3: it makes you be. The harder it is to be

1556
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 3: a consistent fan because you as you gotta pay everywhere

1557
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 3: to watch stuff, you gotta wait forever for fights to happen,

1558
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 3: and you end up debating with each other and we

1559
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,479
Speaker 3: get into this on the show. We just did that

1560
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,680
Speaker 3: Fury Wilder segment. You talk more about promoters, networks, managers

1561
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 3: and the other stuff than you do about when are

1562
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,679
Speaker 3: these two gonna fight? But that's a reality. It's where

1563
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:17,400
Speaker 3: we're at it really, it's not brand new. So outside

1564
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: of that, if you're somebody who didn't like combat sports,

1565
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 3: if boxing wasn't one of your original sports guys our

1566
01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 3: age Luke, we grew up with the Rocky movies. We

1567
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 3: were into Leonard Hagler or ty Early Tyson. There's something

1568
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 3: that hooked us where we're like, I'm always gonna love

1569
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: this game. I get maybe you're a little younger, so

1570
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: UFC the Best versus the Best was the first time

1571
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 3: you saw it. But how the heck could you be

1572
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:42,479
Speaker 3: a fan of mixed martial arts and look at boxing

1573
01:11:42,520 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 3: and be like, I just don't get it. Get that

1574
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 3: crap away from me, Like really, So.

1575
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things I think about here. One is,

1576
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,800
Speaker 2: you know, fighting is not fighting is not fighting. It

1577
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,600
Speaker 2: is for you and me for the most part. But

1578
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 2: even then I don't I certainly do not dislike it,

1579
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 2: but I am not as attracted to various forms of

1580
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,840
Speaker 2: kickboxing as I am boxing, MMA, and frankly jiu jitsu

1581
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: or even wrestling. I like those a little bit more.

1582
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,799
Speaker 2: So It's not true that I like all the combative

1583
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: sports all equally. Everyone's going to have their preferences, sometimes

1584
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 2: in extreme kind of ways, where you only like boxing

1585
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: or you only like MMA, but it is true that

1586
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,000
Speaker 2: there's enough there whorrey. Just because you like one combat

1587
01:12:21,040 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 2: sport doesn't mean you're going to like all of them.

1588
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: I think that's one thing we just have to kind

1589
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:26,559
Speaker 2: of wrap our head around. And it's a hard thing

1590
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,560
Speaker 2: to understand when there's so many similarities, but it is

1591
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 2: just true. The second thing I would say, though, is

1592
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't think MMA fans realize how much the you know,

1593
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 2: the tail is whacking the dog here a little bit,

1594
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 2: which is to say Dana White and the UFC for

1595
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 2: a long time and this much less so these days,

1596
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 2: although with the ZUFA boxing stuff he kind of brought

1597
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 2: it back. But there was a time when what Dana

1598
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 2: White would do is he would say, and I'm not

1599
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 2: necessarily saying he's wrong or that I begrudge him, I don't,

1600
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,160
Speaker 2: but he made it a point to actively say what

1601
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 2: we do in the UFC is not just what we

1602
01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:10,360
Speaker 2: think is better. We think it's better because we are

1603
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,560
Speaker 2: fixing everything that Ale's boxing. They positioned it in the

1604
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 2: minds of fans and to the media and to the

1605
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 2: public as think of all the things that are wrong

1606
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 2: with boxing, we're gonna do the opposite over here, and

1607
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,000
Speaker 2: we're gonna do it with a fight style that's a

1608
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: little bit more to some dynamic. Doug Stanhope is famous

1609
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 2: is one of my I think he's the best living

1610
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 2: comedian personally. He has said that he can't watch boxing

1611
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,840
Speaker 2: anymore because he watches MMA and to him, boxing is

1612
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 2: like watching all white basketball. That's his joke. I disagree,

1613
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 2: but I can understand why certain fans feel that way.

1614
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:47,919
Speaker 2: But the big key is there have been concerted efforts

1615
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: from a public relations, fan recruitment standpoint of picking up

1616
01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: on those things you talked about BC that are wrong

1617
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: with boxing, and even boxing insiders will tell you they

1618
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 2: don't like it any many things that are legitimately broken,

1619
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 2: and it's not necessarily true that UFC has fixed them,

1620
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:07,120
Speaker 2: but you don't feel them as much. And when I

1621
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: say that to him, fixed them, Yes, more of the

1622
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 2: best to do fight the best in UFC, and there

1623
01:14:11,680 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: is this greater alignment between the fan and the promoter

1624
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 2: over there. But it comes at the cost of the fighter, right,

1625
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:19,680
Speaker 2: It comes at the cost of their rights and their

1626
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 2: pocketbook and their control over their destiny, which is still

1627
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 2: a problem in boxing, but not nearly as pronounced, and

1628
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: so the fan doesn't necessarily feel or even really be

1629
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:31,240
Speaker 2: aware of it. But I don't think you can lose

1630
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: sight of Scott Kocher doesn't really do this kind of thing, right,

1631
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 2: He's never made strike Force or Bellator or whatever he's

1632
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 2: been a part of as the antidote to what you

1633
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 2: don't like in boxing. It's just I love the martial arts.

1634
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:48,280
Speaker 2: That's not what Dana White did, and I think, honestly

1635
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 2: it was pretty clever.

1636
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's fair to prefer one to the other.

1637
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,760
Speaker 3: It's fair to be like, I'll watch boxing because it's

1638
01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 3: it's a fistfight. It's something I've been in my life

1639
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 3: if I've seen I'm not into grappling on the ground,

1640
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: if it's anything separation like that. But I guess I

1641
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: don't get the extreme level of like they're the enemy.

1642
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 3: It's like that. That's like so like fifteen, But du.

1643
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: What about this? What about this? Like? We went together,

1644
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 2: we covered We did the the YouTube online prelim stream

1645
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:23,680
Speaker 2: for the Danny Garcia Ivan Redcatch fight at the at

1646
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: the Barclay Center. This was pre pandemic. It was January,

1647
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: I think, and I remember it was I was kind

1648
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 2: of struck by something. I have been to I don't know, dude,

1649
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: hundreds of MMA fights, and I would say a couple

1650
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,640
Speaker 2: dozen boxing fights, not nearly as many, but you know,

1651
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 2: more than a few. And I remember I was thinking

1652
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:43,320
Speaker 2: back when I was there at Barclay Center. I was

1653
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 2: also at the at the Broner Theophane fight in DC

1654
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 2: at the DC Armory, and I remember looking around there,

1655
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 2: and I was looking around at the crowd at the

1656
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:57,559
Speaker 2: Barclay Center. And in both cases something struck me. They

1657
01:15:57,600 --> 01:16:03,719
Speaker 2: were both overwhelmingly black. The audience was heavily African American.

1658
01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 2: In fact that the one in DC, I may have

1659
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 2: been one of five white people there. I mean, it

1660
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 2: was ninety eight percent black who was there. I have

1661
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:16,360
Speaker 2: never been to any MMA fight, UFC, Strikeforce, Belt or

1662
01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: you name it, not once have I ever been to

1663
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 2: one that was like that. So it's not just that

1664
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 2: there's a divide in terms of preferences. Man, there's a

1665
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 2: real divide along demographics, and I think that's changing to

1666
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: a degree, but you see it in person like that,

1667
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 2: and you can't. They're different communities, bro, and I that

1668
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 2: just cannot be ignored.

1669
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that might be it at the end of

1670
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 3: the day. I mean it's hard to you know, I'll

1671
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,120
Speaker 3: tell you from experience covering both, it's hard to get

1672
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:49,360
Speaker 3: the same attention on things like podcasts and page views

1673
01:16:49,400 --> 01:16:53,719
Speaker 3: on stories for you know, regular boxing compared to regular MMA.

1674
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,920
Speaker 3: And I think some of that is culturally and the

1675
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 3: kind of people that go after podcast you know, yeah,

1676
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 3: it is very much the core backbone. Markets are completely different.

1677
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 3: But there's no reason why you can't watch both and

1678
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 3: support both. And the crossover is like, I mean, look,

1679
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:13,560
Speaker 3: I feel it's the same way with pro wrestling, and

1680
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 3: I get you know that there's just gonna be some

1681
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 3: people like you who just don't don't care, You just

1682
01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 3: don't want it. It's just not your thing. It's fair.

1683
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 2: I get it.

1684
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:20,880
Speaker 3: Let's good, that's fine.

1685
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:22,439
Speaker 2: I've told you that.

1686
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 3: But what it is, though, what hold on? What it

1687
01:17:24,680 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: is in boxing and MMA are the same thing. And

1688
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 3: in some ways, you know, the promoters take from pro wrestling,

1689
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 3: they all have the same center, which is, these two

1690
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 3: guys are gonna fight each other. It's gonna be violent,

1691
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 3: it's different forms of violence. It's gonna be skillful, it's

1692
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 3: gonna be competitive, and we're gonna try to make you

1693
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 3: care by either inflicting a real or fake hatred between them,

1694
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 3: or a storyline or a backstory or something. I mean,

1695
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 3: to me, that is all universal, and I get there's

1696
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: you enter these sports for different reasons. And I've said

1697
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 3: it before, like I appreciate technique, I appreciate this and that.

1698
01:17:57,240 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 3: I still get jazz for the hype, the fight, the

1699
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 3: oh my god, what's it gonna look like? Oh that

1700
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 3: guy said that about that person. I still care about that,

1701
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 3: So maybe it's easier for me to slide. I mean, look,

1702
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 3: if Glory Kickboxing Tomorrow had these big name stars and

1703
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 3: you cared about them and you watched their highlights and

1704
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:13,639
Speaker 3: it was in front of my face, I'd probably get

1705
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 3: into that too, Luke, because it's fighting at the end

1706
01:18:16,040 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 3: of the day, and I love it. But uh, I'm

1707
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 3: never gonna sit here and be like, oh man, kickboxing

1708
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,880
Speaker 3: blows get that crap away from me. No, it's pretty good,

1709
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:25,519
Speaker 3: you know what else as good as the NHL. I

1710
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 3: don't watch it, but if you made me, i'd be like,

1711
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:28,320
Speaker 3: well it's pretty good.

1712
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. Really, here's the thing, how did you How did

1713
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,720
Speaker 2: you get into MMA? Because I've said this before. When

1714
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: I grew up, you know, we were kids during the

1715
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson era, he was just you know, it's just

1716
01:18:38,560 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 2: larger than life figure. But as I got a little

1717
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:43,479
Speaker 2: bit older, I begin to gravitate what you know, What's true.

1718
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 2: I had a friend when I was fourteen years old

1719
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 2: who was like, you gotta check out this Hoyst Gracie guy.

1720
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,000
Speaker 2: And I kind of shifted my focus at that point

1721
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 2: to that. But I never hated boxing, and in fact,

1722
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:54,400
Speaker 2: when I began to cover MMA, I would see the

1723
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:56,600
Speaker 2: traffic that boxing would do. And so he got me

1724
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 2: to watch boxing again. And then understanding some of the

1725
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: imitations of MMA striking got me to appreciate some of

1726
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: the very specific skills of boxing. And so what I

1727
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: mean to say is MMA got me back into boxing.

1728
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,799
Speaker 2: It's actually how I developed such a love for combat

1729
01:19:12,880 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 2: sports that to me, this is just my own personal journey.

1730
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: I cannot say anyone else will be like this. It

1731
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,360
Speaker 2: got me to realize, my god, there are guys who

1732
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: are able to do this in different ways in other

1733
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: arenas jiu jitsu, wrestling, boxing, whatever. And so I began

1734
01:19:26,240 --> 01:19:28,240
Speaker 2: to watch and I begin to learn as a consequence,

1735
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: you are, I think, a little bit the opposite. You've

1736
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: always been a much more of a hardcore boxing fan.

1737
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 2: How did you get into MMA.

1738
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,559
Speaker 3: More of the spectacle spectacle? To be honest, I got

1739
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 3: the illegal cable box where you can get all pay

1740
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 3: per views for free, right as UFC was launching. So

1741
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,120
Speaker 3: I had heard the rumors, and it wasn't until I

1742
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 3: was at like a family picnic in backwoods Pennsylvania when

1743
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 3: one of my uncles was like, did you see that

1744
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 3: UFC fight when the guy was punching the other guy

1745
01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:56,639
Speaker 3: in the balls one hundred times?

1746
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 2: I was like what?

1747
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 3: And it turns out it was the Keith Hackney Joe

1748
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 3: som fight, which was what UFC three maybe. And I

1749
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 3: remember specifically my grandfather, who was a longtime boxing fan

1750
01:20:07,080 --> 01:20:09,599
Speaker 3: kind of in some ways a lot of the imprinted

1751
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 3: it on me, because every time I was in his

1752
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 3: living room in Pennsylvania, he'd be watching boxing when I

1753
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:16,560
Speaker 3: was little and I wanted to watch other stuff. He

1754
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,680
Speaker 3: was laughing uncontrollably telling me that story. So maybe I

1755
01:20:20,760 --> 01:20:23,320
Speaker 3: got into it looke because another guy punched a guy

1756
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 3: in the balls in a bare knuckle cage and I

1757
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,479
Speaker 3: was like, man, I gotta see this. Went home, got

1758
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,240
Speaker 3: so fired up for the next UFC. Watched UFC four

1759
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 3: or five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten on a legal

1760
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,360
Speaker 3: cable box, and really it was for the This is

1761
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 3: like a backyard street fight put in a cage. I

1762
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 3: want to see if that fat guy can beat that

1763
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 3: little guy, and a lot of it though still kind

1764
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 3: of my pull into that. I want to see what

1765
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 3: these two guys look like when they're matched up together,

1766
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 3: and who's the tougher guy. So again, I appreciate that

1767
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:53,800
Speaker 3: the uh, the skill and technique in it. I love

1768
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: the spectacle. I love the raw violence of it. I

1769
01:20:56,120 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 3: love all that side of it. And you know, and

1770
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,639
Speaker 3: and I think if you do from this point of view, God,

1771
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 3: you love all combat sports.

1772
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not exactly my journey. I was gonna

1773
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 2: mention a little bit different. And what's kind of interesting too,

1774
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 2: is I've been in boxing gyms and I remember I

1775
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 2: went to this one boxing gym years ago when I

1776
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: was trying to get a little bit of training. And

1777
01:21:16,400 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 2: you know, every boxing gym is run by some old

1778
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 2: guy who is just so shitty and rude to you,

1779
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 2: and it was true here in DC. And he was like,

1780
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 2: do you have any striking experience? And I had a

1781
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 2: little bit. I've had a couple of years under my

1782
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:28,960
Speaker 2: belt doing some way Thai and you know, I was

1783
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 2: not very good at it, but you know, I you know,

1784
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 2: I showed up and I tried, and you get a

1785
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: little something along the way. And as soon as I

1786
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,679
Speaker 2: said that, I immediately regretted it because if it would

1787
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 2: have been better if I had said nothing, because I

1788
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 2: went in there and he was like, your technique sucks.

1789
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 2: Everything is miserable about you. Your jab is terrible. You

1790
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,560
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah. And they just went on

1791
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 2: their way to find every reason they could to take

1792
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,840
Speaker 2: a dump on you. They really they had a certain

1793
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 2: degree of hostility to it. Now I think some of

1794
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: that has changed a little bit. BC. And here's what

1795
01:21:58,880 --> 01:22:01,439
Speaker 2: I mean, not that the average person wouldn't go into

1796
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:02,920
Speaker 2: a boxing gym if you told you I had mme

1797
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 2: train and they would say something about it in a

1798
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 2: negative way. They might still do that, but at the

1799
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 2: elite end, here's what I have noticed. I have talked

1800
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: to MMA fighters at the elite level, and I've talked

1801
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,919
Speaker 2: to boxers at the elite level. There's much more crossover

1802
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 2: training than there used to be between them, like just

1803
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: getting in work with the other guy. And then the

1804
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,440
Speaker 2: other part is I feel like one of the arguments

1805
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,080
Speaker 2: that used to get made about MMA was it's just

1806
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 2: two guys brawling and there's no technique about it. It's

1807
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,439
Speaker 2: not very much. And that partly was a function of

1808
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 2: their own ignorance, but partly it wasn't. Partly is because

1809
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 2: MMA striking used to just be really bad. That is

1810
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,040
Speaker 2: not as much the case anymore.

1811
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:42,680
Speaker 3: I can show Luke, I'm that vein, and you're right,

1812
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 3: and I want you to finish the point, but I'm

1813
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 3: that vein. Really Through what like two thousand and two

1814
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 3: or three or four, it was still largely presented as

1815
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 3: who's the craziest, strongest guy. These two guys are gonna

1816
01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,040
Speaker 3: get in a cage, right. It was presented as two

1817
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 3: skinhead white guys going in there and fighting to the

1818
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 3: death and bare knuckle. I mean really seriously, like it

1819
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 3: wasn't ever. I know the Gracies had a hidden plan

1820
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 3: to show off their juzuits, but that was never really

1821
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:10,040
Speaker 3: the case, you know. So there were people that that's

1822
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 3: the only real taste they ever got.

1823
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: Of the sport, That's right. And so you know, to me,

1824
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:17,679
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could be somebody who really

1825
01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 2: understands boxing. You could be a boxer and I could

1826
01:23:20,160 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 2: show you what Attasnia did to Costa and they couldn't

1827
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I bet you they could. There's no way

1828
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: to look at that and say, well, this guy is

1829
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 2: not skilled. Doesn't mean you'll like it, doesn't mean it's

1830
01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,160
Speaker 2: become a huge fan tomorrow. But you can't make the

1831
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,640
Speaker 2: same argument. And so what I found is that they

1832
01:23:34,720 --> 01:23:37,600
Speaker 2: have in many cases retreated to the idea that like

1833
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: I like what I like. I like steak, I don't

1834
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 2: like chicken. It's just going to be that. So my

1835
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,200
Speaker 2: question to you is, we see we've seen fighters become

1836
01:23:46,400 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 2: very good strikers, the kind that other boxers can admit

1837
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: are very talented. We've even seen MMA fighters reach heights

1838
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: of popularity that our Paquiao Mayweather esque right between Kabebe

1839
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 2: and Connor. If that doesn't convince them, I don't know

1840
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,800
Speaker 2: what will. Is there any way in your mind to

1841
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 2: meaningfully not change people's preferences forever but bridge that gap

1842
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 2: a little bit?

1843
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest, Luke, this show, in a lot

1844
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 3: of weird ways, can bridge that gap. We do have

1845
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 3: people that come here only for the boxing takes or

1846
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:22,560
Speaker 3: only for the MMA analysis, and they're gonna get a

1847
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 3: little on them.

1848
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1849
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,599
Speaker 3: You can look at the time stamp, you can skip ahead,

1850
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 3: or you can realize that we got a passion for

1851
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,639
Speaker 3: both games and there's reason to love both. I don't

1852
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 3: know how to fix this. Maybe it just takes a

1853
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 3: few more years. Yes, some people are never gonna love both,

1854
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 3: but hopefully, Luke, we can be a vehicle for change.

1855
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 3: I don't think there's any other It's part of the

1856
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,639
Speaker 3: beauty of this show. What other show at this level

1857
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:45,400
Speaker 3: gives you both fight sports, all fight sports at the

1858
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 3: same time with this level fun end analysis. I don't

1859
01:24:49,720 --> 01:24:51,519
Speaker 3: know what else what else we can do, Luke.

1860
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 2: Okay, last thing I'd say is it's also just a

1861
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 2: part of what's considered martial arts and what's not like

1862
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: kickboxing is considered part of martial arts, so a lot

1863
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: of MMA fans go to that and boxing is not

1864
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:05,719
Speaker 2: for some reason, and so for for that there's this separation.

1865
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of these rules that we've

1866
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 2: put in place are just artificial. Okay, see time for

1867
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 2: our next and final segment.

1868
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,000
Speaker 3: CAUs you there is breaking news in the world of

1869
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 3: sports right now, Luke, I don't know if you've seen this.

1870
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 3: If you have not, they're calling you. Brett Okamoto has

1871
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 3: talked to s Day in a white This is just

1872
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 3: off our recent discussion December twelfth, Cole main event pay

1873
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,760
Speaker 3: per view. He has targeted al Joe challenging Peter Yan

1874
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 3: for the bandamweight title.

1875
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 2: Well done, Yes, okay, very good. Finally, I don't know

1876
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 2: what the hell the weight was, but hey.

1877
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:38,720
Speaker 3: What's the main event is?

1878
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:39,680
Speaker 2: That's so?

1879
01:25:39,880 --> 01:25:41,800
Speaker 3: Is that Cyborg Megan Anderson is the main event?

1880
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,759
Speaker 2: Yes? No, not Cyborg, Amanda Newnis.

1881
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:51,519
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, yeah, my bad, Amanda Nuns, Megan Anderson. Okay, okay,

1882
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 3: I'd flip them, Luke, I'd flip them. I'm sorry, I'd

1883
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:54,920
Speaker 3: flip them.

1884
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,680
Speaker 2: All right, Well, go ahead, take away our last segment here,

1885
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:58,200
Speaker 2: good sir.

1886
01:25:58,240 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 3: I'd flip them, Luke, I'd flip them.

1887
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: Great, I don't care.

1888
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:04,920
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, we're gonna start a new segment. We're

1889
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 3: gonna break this off from what we do each week.

1890
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 3: And have you seen this shit? We get so overwhelmed

1891
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 3: and flooded in a good way with all creative fans.

1892
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 3: It started with web scream and we got a lot

1893
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 3: of clones out there pictures wearing our ish fan art submissions.

1894
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 3: So why don't we go We'll put them in a

1895
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 3: choke hold. Let's start with the fan submissions. Luke talk

1896
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:29,599
Speaker 3: about international shipping Hotppen from Gavin Whalebone at Gavoa twenty

1897
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 3: three on Instagram. Check out this photo well overlooking the

1898
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,839
Speaker 3: Sydney Opera house there, Luke with the bridge, the harbor

1899
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 3: and the MK mug and Tumblr.

1900
01:26:38,320 --> 01:26:41,719
Speaker 2: Well done. That is amazing. Good for this person, that's great.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to see. That could be photoshop BC and

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't know the difference, but either way, I'll take it.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we bring the thunder down under It is true,

1904
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:52,280
Speaker 3: all right, we big in auzy Land. So shout out

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01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,800
Speaker 3: to Oz right there and Nate or whatever that guy's

1906
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 3: name was, are the way.

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01:26:55,720 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 2: God, how about I would say this the Brits and

1908
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 2: the Aussies might be two of the nice fans at

1909
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:01,800
Speaker 2: least to awesome thank you.

1910
01:27:02,200 --> 01:27:05,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and the guys from Cutter are pretty cool too.

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01:27:05,479 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 3: This is from Nate the Great Looks on Instagram. Here's

1912
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 3: a nice little selfie of him in the restroom, Luke

1913
01:27:10,360 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 3: wearing that MK sweatshirt, looking.

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01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 2: Good right and playing Sean Price on the Instagram story.

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01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 3: Oh, well done there, well done. You do rock a

1916
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 3: Sean Price T shirt now and then.

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Speaker 2: Luke, I certainly do. And this gentleman on his rocking

1918
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 2: our MK gear looking good doing it.

1919
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Speaker 3: Yes, he's been on the bench, right, he's been working

1920
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 3: out those peck shot out to Nate the Great. Right,

1921
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 3: here we move on. This is from Yon Harriview on Twitter.

1922
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:40,720
Speaker 3: It's an MK inspired throwback boxing poster, Luke, a presentation

1923
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Speaker 3: of Showtime. Why am I butter being in this?

1924
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 2: Luke? Yeah, It's not like I'm Schwarzenegger here either. I'm

1925
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 2: looking terrible. I got no neck neither do you.

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Speaker 3: Luke Thomas aka Professor Salt and Pepper versus Brian Campbell

1927
01:27:55,200 --> 01:27:59,840
Speaker 3: AKABC or retail lance face. Well done right there?

1928
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 2: Yes, also I like it. Watch online or pound sand

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01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: It's great.

1930
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 3: There are there are plenty of other fun little one

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01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 3: liners in there. I think it. It says tip on

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01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 3: tip boxing in the middle. Well done, well done, use

1933
01:28:13,160 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 3: of our of our fun there. Uh, let's bring on

1934
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 3: a guy who's becoming a regular as well, Luke. You

1935
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:21,519
Speaker 3: know brntendo sixty four on Instagram, right he created on

1936
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 3: UFC video game. Check out this fight Luke Thomas against

1937
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:29,920
Speaker 3: the Canadian grappler himself, Ariel Hawane in UFC four. It's

1938
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:31,760
Speaker 3: a ko right here, Luke.

1939
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 2: That is hilarious. You can create. I didn't realize you

1940
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: could do all this. That is hilarious.

1941
01:28:36,920 --> 01:28:40,440
Speaker 3: This looks like uh Connor versus Jose although.

1942
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:44,479
Speaker 2: Right, uh not even this is uh it's like Anthony

1943
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:45,960
Speaker 2: Rubel Johnson versus somebody.

1944
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 3: Wow, you gave that canuck the two piece.

1945
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: Luke.

1946
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,600
Speaker 3: Wow, it's it's look, it's a it's a fan submission.

1947
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 3: We did not ask for this, but thank you.

1948
01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 2: Looking good there. My celebration is uninspired, but I'll take it.

1949
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, looking good in the salt and pepper. By the way,

1950
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:00,680
Speaker 3: what classes this?

1951
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:03,320
Speaker 2: Okay? Our boy area? This is like this is like

1952
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 2: UFC three right here.

1953
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, this a this ain't working, this is yeah, this

1954
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 3: is Keith Hackney against that big guy. All right, let's

1955
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 3: go on here. This is from Desberry, Luke. I don't

1956
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 3: know if you remember the name Desberry, but do you

1957
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:17,200
Speaker 3: remember that Christmas card we got during the drinking episode?

1958
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 3: In fact, it's on his screen right there, Luke. He's

1959
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 3: the guy who sent us that great beautiful Christmas card

1960
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,400
Speaker 3: in that infamous drinking episode. Well he sent us a

1961
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: note to go along with this picture. He says, Hey, Brian,

1962
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 3: hope all is good with you over the pond saw

1963
01:29:32,400 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 3: you posting pics of peeps with MK merch on the

1964
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:38,959
Speaker 3: Monday Show. Here I am indoors in wet and Wendy, Cork, Ireland.

1965
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:41,679
Speaker 3: Technically I've been on the show before as we can see,

1966
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 3: had to become resourceful to get around showtime store hating

1967
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:49,040
Speaker 3: other nationalities to deliver to Ireland. All the best to

1968
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 3: you Luke and the MK team. Hope your success continues

1969
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 3: on the upwards trajectory. Luke, how do you think he

1970
01:29:55,080 --> 01:29:58,040
Speaker 3: acquired this merch? Shout out to Desberry, man Bro.

1971
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:03,719
Speaker 2: These guys in Australia, Cork, Ireland smuggling MK gear across

1972
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 2: the border like their drug mules. I don't know how

1973
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,480
Speaker 2: they're doing it, but God bless them, they are resourceful.

1974
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 3: I love the Contra band. Well done. He looks good

1975
01:30:12,240 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 3: in that winter cap right there, as well well done, Desberry.

1976
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:17,160
Speaker 3: We need to you know, we need to go on tour.

1977
01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 3: MK needs to hit Europe and this guy will be

1978
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 3: our co host there. Well done. Let's go on to

1979
01:30:22,479 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 3: from at yuzz Bite year on Instagram. Luke, No, I'm sorry,

1980
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: that's the wrong one here. That's the wrong one I

1981
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 3: screwed up here. That's this is from at Trenchchild. That

1982
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 3: is an interesting cartoon.

1983
01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Here, dude. The subtleties here are just amazing. You are

1984
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 2: dreaming of this awful scenario with big dough eyes, and

1985
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 2: I've got eyeballs of red fury staring down at you

1986
01:30:53,680 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 2: in disgust. This is basically perfect at Trench.

1987
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 3: Sorry is that at Trench? I can't even read my

1988
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 3: own stuff right, so I want to get that guy's

1989
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,040
Speaker 3: name right? Who sent that in? Well done? Well done

1990
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,519
Speaker 3: there on the artwork. Although you're looking a little bit

1991
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:09,440
Speaker 3: fifty five years old there in that picture.

1992
01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 2: Luke, who cares? It's you know, I look like trash.

1993
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,519
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, come on, Luke, don't say that about yourself.

1994
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the next one. Here, I

1995
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 3: think I fell out at order.

1996
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 2: Here we go.

1997
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,599
Speaker 3: Here's from yuzz Bite. You're on Instagram, Luke. We made

1998
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:25,000
Speaker 3: that joke the other week about the Aeriel and the intervention.

1999
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 3: So here's a little how I met your mother pick.

2000
01:31:27,560 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 3: Are you familiar with this scene from the classic show.

2001
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 2: Luke vaguely. My wife liked this show, so I've seen

2002
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:35,240
Speaker 2: enough of it to get the gist. Yes, so we are.

2003
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 3: They would do a friend intervention at any point. So

2004
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 3: this is you walking in and I brought some of

2005
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:43,559
Speaker 3: your famous foes and you know, shout out to Yoanna.

2006
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 3: They're well done there at yuzz Bite year, we got

2007
01:31:46,360 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 3: down to the bottom of it. Let's move on to

2008
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:51,920
Speaker 3: a little bit more tip to tip action here. Look,

2009
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:54,440
Speaker 3: this is from Joshua Manuwatu.

2010
01:31:57,400 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: Wait, your God? How are you God?

2011
01:32:00,560 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 3: Do you damn right?

2012
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 2: Luke?

2013
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: Okay, you're see you know this is what happens when

2014
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,759
Speaker 3: you don't worship anything. Luke, Okay, all right.

2015
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,160
Speaker 2: Don't it's bullshit that you get to be gone.

2016
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 3: Well, you're jacked in this at least though. All right,

2017
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:13,280
Speaker 3: you've been in the way.

2018
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,679
Speaker 2: But I mean, my hog is just pathetic in this picture.

2019
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this thing.

2020
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 3: All right, let's go on to the next one. We should,

2021
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:24,280
Speaker 3: by the way that our that art needs to be

2022
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:28,320
Speaker 3: framed right there. Okay, this is at Scott Underscore m Underscore.

2023
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 3: Scott Rizzo has been jumping in with stuff lately. Another

2024
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 3: disciple MK fight Club. I'm all in on this. I

2025
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 3: would frame this next to next to any Webscream creation

2026
01:32:38,200 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 3: you got.

2027
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: That is amazing. I can't read what it says below

2028
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 2: our chins though. What does it say there? Can you

2029
01:32:45,880 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 2: read it? No? Mischief, mayhem, soap?

2030
01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:54,880
Speaker 3: Well done, Well done there, But Luke, do you think

2031
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 3: Webscream is going to be outdone by any of these

2032
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:58,760
Speaker 3: guys that know the og?

2033
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 2: Come on, come on?

2034
01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 3: I actually had a pick which one I was going

2035
01:33:01,920 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 3: to play this week from Webscream because I'm I've got

2036
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 3: so many in my dms of his latest creations. How

2037
01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 3: about this one hitting Broadway anytime soon? Ericn we hit

2038
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:23,559
Speaker 3: the button morning, come at Combat Sports Musical, Luke, Yes, awesome, Yes,

2039
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:26,240
Speaker 3: well done, well done to everybody. Sorry I butchered that

2040
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:29,360
Speaker 3: guy's name. Who did the tip on tip cartoon drawing.

2041
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:31,960
Speaker 3: Well done to all of our people there, Luke, thank

2042
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 3: you for buying our merch, wearing our merch, and sending

2043
01:33:35,360 --> 01:33:38,000
Speaker 3: in your creative abilities to love on us.

2044
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:42,080
Speaker 2: Yes, if you want to send those very very easy

2045
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 2: to do it, Yes, of course you can DM Brian.

2046
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 2: You can also just email Morningcombat at gmail dot com.

2047
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: You can do that for questions for the show, for submissions,

2048
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 2: for fan arts, for whatever you want. It's there for you, guys,

2049
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,599
Speaker 2: Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Now, don't forget a couple

2050
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:00,680
Speaker 2: of them things. We're got to get you. You on

2051
01:34:00,920 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 2: Friday show, we are going to do dead wrong. So

2052
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,400
Speaker 2: if you want to point out something we got wrong again,

2053
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 2: Morningcombat at gmail dot com is going to be the

2054
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:12,800
Speaker 2: place to do that. But I guess you can also

2055
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 2: put up our social media stuff if you want to.

2056
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:16,759
Speaker 2: If they want to do that here.

2057
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, and check out I believe it's ten pm Eastern

2058
01:34:20,960 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 3: Thursday night on CBS Sports Network. Luke is the Bellator

2059
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 3: American debut on that network. Good fight there with Cyborg,

2060
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 3: as we talked about.

2061
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,200
Speaker 2: So there you go. There's BBC's Instagram if you want

2062
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:33,200
Speaker 2: to DM him. There are my Instagram and Twitter, and

2063
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:35,919
Speaker 2: then of course Morning Combat on Twitter, Morning Combat on Instagram,

2064
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:41,240
Speaker 2: Morning Combat on YouTube. Reminder Tomorrow three pm in the East,

2065
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 2: the live chat continues. I think it's episode like fifty

2066
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 2: one or fifty two. It'll be at three pm. I'll

2067
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 2: put question I'll put the thread up for questions on

2068
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 2: my personal page as well as the one here. Just

2069
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 2: follow me on Twitter for directions if you want to

2070
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 2: get a hold of that again. Morningcombat at gmail dot com,

2071
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:59,760
Speaker 2: More interviews, Friday Show live chat. A bunch of stuff

2072
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 2: still come in your way, so plenty of MK action.

2073
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 2: If you want some of that merch that you saw

2074
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 2: featured here for the fan art submissions, you can go

2075
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,759
Speaker 2: to store dot show dot com. There is plenty available.

2076
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:14,040
Speaker 2: Turns out you can smuggle it across the border. I'm

2077
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: not sure how, but people have found a way, so

2078
01:35:16,200 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 2: so can you. And uh yeah, if you want to

2079
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:22,439
Speaker 2: try Showtime, do it Showtime dot Com thirty day free trial.

2080
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 2: If you like it, you can keep it. If not,

2081
01:35:24,160 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 2: you could certainly cancel and be a loser on your

2082
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:28,200
Speaker 2: own b See any parting thoughts here.

2083
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 3: Zummer, who's currently on our MK fan mount rushmore at

2084
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 3: the moment are we looking at like web scream Desberry, Uh,

2085
01:35:37,200 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 3: the guy with the RV Bill and Jen shout out

2086
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 3: to those folks. We got some great people, Luke.

2087
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:42,680
Speaker 2: All right, yeah, but you know we also got some

2088
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 2: open slots like Brantendo's on their webscreams on therell. I

2089
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:48,720
Speaker 2: feel like there's two more slots to kind of up

2090
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:51,720
Speaker 2: for grabs. There's some clubhouse leaders who you'd put there,

2091
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 2: but it's not a done deal.

2092
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,240
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, shout out to all our folks, and uh, Luke,

2093
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:00,439
Speaker 3: I'm thinking about I'm thinking about getting in shape.

2094
01:36:00,479 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 2: Luke. Don't you have a peloton?

2095
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 3: I do, and I've been I've been chipping away at it,

2096
01:36:05,200 --> 01:36:07,560
Speaker 3: but I'm thinking about thinking about going for it.

2097
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 2: All right?

2098
01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:09,160
Speaker 3: You want to have like a challenge?

2099
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,439
Speaker 2: No challenges? No, I got kids. I can't do that shit.

2100
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 2: All right. We have to get out of here and

2101
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 2: I've got some work I got to do. So does

2102
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:19,760
Speaker 2: B see plenty more content coming your way? Thumbs up

2103
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:23,679
Speaker 2: on the video hit that. Subscribe Morning Combat at gmail

2104
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 2: dot com is where you can get in touch with us.

2105
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: We'll be back. I'll be back tomorrow. We will be

2106
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: back on Friday and until then, may all of your

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Speaker 2: gains be loyal