1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: What's up, everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: and a special guest, our good friend, Mina Kimes is 4 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: joining us. Mina, Welcome to the show. How are you doing. 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. This is such 6 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: a pleasure. 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 3: People who listen to my show, Mina Kaimes Show featuring 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: Lenny know you from your appearances on that over the years. 9 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: So I'm excited to switch it up. 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,639 Speaker 4: Oh, it should be a lot of fun. Looking forward 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 4: to it. 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: I want to start because we've got some things we're 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: going to get to here, but we were just talking 14 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: before we came on, and I want to start right there. 15 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: What is the conversation you are most sick of having? 16 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 3: It's probably Daniels versus May, right, I mean, that's the 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: one I think if I had to keep a counter 18 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 3: on the number of segments I've done on ESPN across 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 3: various platforms, that's probably the leader in the clubhouse for 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 3: the one that I've done the most. 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 5: Okay, well, since it is the first time that you've 22 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 5: been on Muda Sticks Daniels Versus May, I just I 23 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 5: haven't had an opportunity trap. 24 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 4: Check it out. What are we thinking? You know? 25 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: Well, actually, this is what I know. I just complained 26 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: about it. 27 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: That is literally what I actually had DJ on my 28 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: show to talk about, which was the quarterbacks, though we 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 3: did not really spend the entire time debating. Then we 30 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 3: talked more about their tools and fits and things like that. 31 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: I'll say this, I like them both a lot. 32 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: I know it's a little bit of a cop out, but 33 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: I'm not one of those people who thinks, you know, 34 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: any team picking at to the commanders obviously would make 35 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 3: be making a gravous mistake if they were to go 36 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: with Daniels over May or vice versa. 37 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: I think they both have a lot to like. 38 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 3: I actually have a slight preference for May, as Daniel knows, 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: which apparently is like a wildly non consensus view. 40 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 2: I think we're the only two. I think we're the 41 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 2: only two left in that Nate. 42 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: Is leading the May charge. And that might be, guys, because. 43 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 3: I just have such an affinity and I think it's 44 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 3: so important to have that off platform throwing ability, that creative, 45 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 3: those second reaction throws that you see on May's tape. 46 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: It also might be just speaking personally the two quarterbacks 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: who I've been the wrongest about over the last six years, 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 3: or Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. So maybe I'm just 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 3: afraid of missing on someone who has those types of 50 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 3: tools again, as well as some concerns about Daniel's size. 51 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: But I do really like him. I think he's going 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: to be a good pro. 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 2: I've never asked you this. I want to. Bucky just 54 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: took you right there too, by the way, I love that. 55 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: That's the jumping off point here. But I always feel 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: like and Buck and I've talked about this, where like 57 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: the successful teams that he's been around and how they 58 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: were built and how they were formed, it somehow it 59 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: indicates what we might think of how to build a 60 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: team going forward. Not that there aren't other ways to 61 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: do it, but I know and how like what I 62 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 2: like in players from my time is probably with shape 63 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: from the time in Baltimore. I'm curious as someone who 64 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 2: grew up and has seen Seattle and watched that organization 65 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: through the good and the bad, but specifically the good 66 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 2: has that informed anything? I know, you watch everybody, you 67 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: study everybody, but that one in particular has how they've 68 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: had success informed what you think of players. 69 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 3: That's a great question because I think so much of 70 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 3: the success of the c X through the Pete Carroll regime, 71 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: which is what you're talking about, really, I mean, I 72 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: feel like he doesn't get enough credit for all the 73 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 3: winning seasons that they put together. There so much of 74 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 3: that has to do with coaching and culture, which don't 75 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: really apply to the draft, which I mean, we were 76 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 3: talking about team building and traits and roster construction and 77 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: positional value, and when I look at Pete's success, a 78 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 3: lot of it isn't necessarily immediately transferable. They did have 79 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: certain traits that you I'm sure you know, you know 80 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: very well, you guys know that they looked for in 81 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: defensive players, but then they've kind of moved off of 82 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: some of those tendencies, so they're when you look at 83 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 3: the player is the Seahawks John Schneider has drafted over 84 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 3: the last three years, very different profiles from the years 85 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 3: when I think it was the Seahawks who probably made 86 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: Spark a household a household name in our nerdy circles. 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: But you know, they care so much about those athletic 88 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: traits and a certain profile of dB or pass rusher 89 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: or whatever, and they've they've actually pivoted off that recently. 90 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: So maybe, if anything, it's not being too rigid about 91 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: your adherence to certain measurables and certain certain things that 92 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: have to be, you know, a certain way when you 93 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 3: draft players. 94 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 5: No, I think it's so interesting because I feel like, 95 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 5: I mean, when I hear you talk about the Seahawks, 96 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 5: it kind of goes when I had my huge affinity 97 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 5: for Pete carrolln what they were doing. And I think 98 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 5: one of the things that Djanaw always talk about is 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 5: it's not only who you pick, but it's developmental plan 100 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 5: that you have in place. And so continue to use 101 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 5: that Seattle model, like how are you what do you 102 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 5: feel like about young players and getting them on the 103 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 5: field right away, because it's Seahawks were unafraid to put 104 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 5: young players on the field right away and it worked 105 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 5: for them. 106 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that position matters a lot when you 107 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 3: look at the young players that the Seahawks played right away, 108 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 3: you know, well, I mean it was a lot of 109 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: the young corners and safeties and actually it's been their 110 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: edge rushers who have had a harder time seeing the 111 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 3: field in recent years, not in first round picks, but 112 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 3: a lot of second and third rounder types. So I 113 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: would have to say it's probably unsurprising when you considered 114 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: that that aligns with Pete Carroll's expertise, which is teaching 115 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: you know, dB play. But then you know, it's funny 116 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 3: Bucky and this kind of actually maybe as a segue 117 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 3: to something that Daniel said he wanted to talk about today. 118 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,599 Speaker 3: You look at a player like Bobby Wagner who saw 119 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: the field very quickly in Seattle, but that was a 120 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 3: different time, right, Like playing linebacker in twenty twelve was 121 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 3: so different from playing linebacker in twenty twenty four. And 122 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 3: you do wonder, Okay, Bobby Wagner was drafted in the NFL, 123 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: right now, would he play immediately? Would he be as 124 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 3: effective immediately? Would his development curve look different? I do 125 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 3: think some of it had to do with just the 126 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: style of football being played at the time. 127 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: So Mina teased it because this is like one of 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 2: the nerdy topics that I wanted to talk about, because 129 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: I was talking with an executive last night on this 130 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 2: particular topic. We're talking about, all right, the running back thing. 131 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 2: The ship is officially saled, right, We not only aren't 132 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 2: going to see one in one. There's a good chance 133 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 2: we don't see a running back in two. Like the 134 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: third round could be the first running back taken this year. 135 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: And some of that just that we don't have the 136 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: premier guys. I mean, last year we had legit dudes 137 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: at the top. We don't have those guys here. I 138 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: think that's, you know, obviously a big part of it. 139 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 2: But his point was, is that good. Is that going 140 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: to have an impact on their mirror position? If you 141 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 2: look at every position offensively and talk about their mirror 142 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: position and off the ball linebackers, his thing was, we're 143 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 2: not going to see an off the ball linebacker more 144 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: than likely go in the first round of this draft. 145 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 2: I pushed back a little bit and said, look, I 146 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 2: don't think we have those guys, you know, so I 147 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 2: to me, it's some of it is just we don't 148 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: have the premier players at those positions in this particular draft. 149 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: And if you look at the two teams that played 150 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: as well defensively as anybody last year, the forty nine 151 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: Ers invested heavily, and off the ball linebacker, the Ravens 152 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: invested heavily. In terms of the trade for Rokwan Smith, 153 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: they've those teams have valued off the ball linebackers and 154 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: it served them well. So to get us into that 155 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 2: conversation mean, I'm just I'm wondering if you do see 156 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: a connection and do you buy into the mirroring department. 157 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: If we're seeing defensive tackles in this and their top 158 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: elite guys that explode in value, are we going to 159 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 2: then see more of an emphasis on Okay, we got 160 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: to identify, develop and pay into your offensive lineman. Do 161 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 2: you believe in the mirror theory? 162 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: I think I believe in it when it comes to 163 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 3: the trenches, when you're looking at guard pay and these 164 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: defensive tackles, I do think there's something to that. I 165 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: think it also just has to happens to align with 166 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 3: the fact that there's there's just so many good defensive 167 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 3: tackles in the NFL right now, Like we can point 168 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: to the guys who have gotten paid, you know, whether 169 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 3: it's Wilkins recently, Quinn Williams, you know, Simon's in Baltimore, MATTERBK. 170 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: They're all awesome players. 171 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: So that's not just about like the football meta necessarily 172 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 3: and the quickest path of the quarterback and all. They're 173 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 3: just really good players that all happen to be get 174 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 3: paid at the same time. So I do think when 175 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: you look at those players and how many good defensive 176 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: tackles there are in the league, it makes sense that 177 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: teams want to invest in the interior of the offensive line. 178 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: I think that makes sense there. I think with linebackers 179 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: different to me, I wouldn't say the devaluation of the position, 180 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: but the lack of success we've had with rookie linebackers, 181 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 3: not just rookie linebackers, like second year linebackers. It's taking 182 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 3: guys a while to develop. To me, that's more just 183 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 3: about offensive football and the fact that you know so 184 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: many I mean, it seems like every offensive coordinator in 185 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 3: the NFL makes it their personal mission to victimize the linebackers. Yeah, 186 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: you RPOs and all the motions and everything that's happening 187 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: in football right now is really oriented towards making those 188 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: second level defenders wrong. And I think when you come 189 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 3: into the league, it's it's always been hard to play 190 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 3: a position, obviously mentally, but it's harder than it's ever been, 191 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 3: especially coming from college where you're just not asked to 192 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: juggle all of those things you mentioned Rokuan Smith. 193 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: By the way, my buddy Bill Barnell and. 194 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 3: I did a pod where we visited the twenty eighteen draft, 195 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 3: which is really really fun. And I'll say this, Beckye, 196 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: I'd like to hear your thoughts about this, Like he's 197 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: the last off ball linebacker I can remember where I 198 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 3: felt like, yeah, no doubt, Like you know, Roquana Georgia. 199 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 3: He can go sideline to sideline and cover, he can tackle, 200 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 3: he can do it all. I can't really like there's 201 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: been players who have been good. 202 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: Edmonds was in that draft, but I don't think there's 203 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: been a linebacker like that. 204 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: And that was six years ago where I really felt 205 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 3: that degree of confidence and coming out of the draft. 206 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the game has changed at the collegiate 207 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 5: level where I think we're getting a different brand of player. 208 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 5: Like before or like twenty eighteen, we still were seeing 209 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 5: a little bit of old school. Yeah, we had spread, 210 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 5: but from a defensive standpoint, you still had the thumpers. 211 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: You still had to run and chase guys. Then college 212 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 5: football went through this iteration where they were making these 213 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 5: safeties linebackers and you're trying to get all these little 214 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 5: guys on the field and then they come into the 215 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 5: league and they get beaten up. I'm hopeful that maybe 216 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 5: the tide is turning where maybe we'll see some more 217 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 5: traditional linebackers. But I just think all the different specialization 218 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 5: and substitution patterns had made it very, very hard to 219 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 5: find an off linebacker that can stay on the field 220 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 5: and actually play, which is why the Niners and the 221 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: Ravens to me, have significant advantages over other teams because 222 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 5: they have true linebackers that can kind of play in 223 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: an old school style. 224 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: I always look at at guys if certain players hit, 225 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 2: how it could have changed the trajectory of how we 226 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: evaluate players. And why is his name going to escape 227 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: me from Clemson from a few years ago. I have 228 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 2: so many. 229 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 4: Oh Isaiah Simmons. 230 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 2: If Isaiah I firmly believe if Isaiah Simmons hit big, 231 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: we would have a whole new wave of Hey, we're 232 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: just going to find we want off the ball. Give 233 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 2: me six foot four, long, fast rangye. I don't really 234 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 2: care about take on, but I'm going to be able 235 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: to cover tight ends. I'm going to be able to 236 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: match him up, I can rush him, I can do 237 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: all these different things like that is the North star 238 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,959 Speaker 2: of where this positionless football is headed. And that's that's 239 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 2: kind of what the college game is going to start 240 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 2: looking for, which is then going to give us these 241 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 2: types of players in the NFL. And obviously it didn't 242 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: work out, but there was when we had vander esh 243 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 2: who was when he was healthy and was young, was like, okay, 244 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: Edmunds who has been a little up and down but 245 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 2: then obviously got paid. It was like, Okay, maybe this 246 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: is the new thing. This is kind of where we're going, 247 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: and this is how this position is going to evolve 248 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: and change, and that hasn't really happened. And then you've 249 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: get kind of the you know, Fred's long, I mean, 250 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: Fred Warner is long and rangey, but he's not like 251 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: he's six foot five. And then you have Roquon so 252 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: kind of the guys, the guys who are doing it, 253 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 2: the really really good players still kind of feel more traditional. 254 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 2: But I think that's fascinating, meaning when you look at 255 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: some guys and you're like, man, if this one hits, 256 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 2: this changes it, Like this kind of changes how this works. 257 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: Yeah. 258 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 3: I mean I was looking at my notes about this 259 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: class and it's funny because I don't think you know, 260 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 3: I say, I don't feel the way I did about 261 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 3: Roquan about any of the guys drafted in recent years. 262 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 3: I certainly don't feel that way about this class. But 263 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: I do wonder, like if you're comparing let's say, two 264 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 3: players like Junior Colson out of Michigan and Edern Cooper 265 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 3: out of Texas A and M Mcolson to me is 266 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: the more polished player, He's a better tackler. He's probably 267 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 3: the guy you see starting a little bit sooner. But 268 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 3: because of the development curve we've been talking about, and 269 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: how the likelihood that maybe you're drafting a guy and 270 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 3: not expecting to play immediately, maybe you're more likely to 271 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: bet on the athletic talents and traits of an Edger 272 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 3: and Edgrend Cooper. 273 00:12:58,200 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: Edger and Cooper for me. 274 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 3: Just knowing that you can capture that upside and that 275 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: you're not going to play, you don't want to play 276 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: him immediately. 277 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, Look, I think it's interesting because DJ and 278 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 5: I have talked a lot about Peyton Wilson and how 279 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 5: he may share some of the traits that we saw 280 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 5: from Luke Keighley. 281 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,319 Speaker 4: But then the injury history kind of prevent us from 282 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 4: going all the way in. 283 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: I think what we've seen the last ten years between 284 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 5: the running back and the linebacker is the most fascinating 285 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 5: thing that I can like that I can remember seeing 286 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 5: the fact that we're doing it by committee in both 287 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 5: situations is just different. And DJ talking about Isaiah Simmons 288 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 5: and how that kind of let us down. I think 289 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 5: part of the reason, and I've talked to coaches about this, 290 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 5: is they never know which room to go to when 291 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 5: it's time to go to position meetings, so they kind 292 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 5: of never mastered one thing. And if you have a 293 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 5: guy who's built like a linebacker, but in his mind 294 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 5: he feels like he's a safety, it doesn't work. And 295 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 5: that was some of the conversation that I got back 296 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 5: on Isaiah Simmons. 297 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 3: That makes sense, and maybe just because there's so much 298 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: on your plate and it's just mentally so difficult, that 299 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,199 Speaker 3: idea of positionless football, it's really more applicable to the 300 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: Kyle Hamilton's of the world a lesser extent, the Devi Witherspoons, 301 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 3: potentially the Cooper de Jeans whatever. Like you're talking about dbs, 302 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 3: whereassd with linebackers, maybe it's just not feasible like Bucky 303 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: was saying, to ask a young player to come in 304 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: and wear multiple hats if he's also being asked to 305 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: play the mic. 306 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, no last thing on linebackers and move on. But 307 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 2: like to me, Colson's green dot, like he's somebody you 308 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: can let him be the communicator and be the nerve 309 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: center for your defense. That to me like he has 310 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: a very defined role of what he's going to do. 311 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: Edrin Cooper to me, where he goes determines everything. Like you, 312 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: I've made the case. Like you give him, he gets 313 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 2: his mission. You give him his marching orders and his 314 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 2: mission before the snap, and irregardless of what happens, you 315 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: carry out the mission. Okay, you are a run in 316 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: hit player, like this is your assignment. We're not asking 317 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: you to sift and sort. We're not asking you to 318 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: wear the green dot. We're not asking you to communicate everything 319 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 2: to your teammates. Literally, you are a seek and destroy player. 320 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 2: That's how you're going to play. Or you are matched 321 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 2: up with him on this play and you are you're 322 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: covering the tight end. But I think if he goes 323 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: somewhere and they bog him down, I don't think you're 324 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 2: gonna be happy with the results you get as a 325 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: player there. But I think we've probably exhausted the linebacker 326 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: running back discussion. I think we've probably lost We've probably 327 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: lost some attention here. So I'm gonna do the popular 328 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: thing before we take a break. I want to do 329 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: one more quarterback thing, and then we'll take a quick 330 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: break here. But if we're going I tweet this out 331 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 2: the other day, but if you're going to rank, I'm 332 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: going to make you the agent of every single quarterback 333 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 2: in this draft. And I'm going to say you get 334 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: to cherry pick of the quarterback teams. And let's let's 335 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: limit it. Let's Thirteen's as far down as we're going 336 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: to go. So we have quarterback Galley with thirteen, twelve, 337 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: and eleven, and then we go all the way all 338 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 2: the way up to the Bears. But if I was 339 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 2: going to say, your top three most desirable quarterback locations 340 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: for your client, why would you rank them one, two, 341 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: and three? 342 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: This is fun. 343 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 3: So I think there's two teams that are clearly at 344 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: the top, and it's crazy that one of them is 345 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 3: actually the first team, because that obviously never happens. I 346 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: would probably still go Minnesota over Chicago, to be honest, 347 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 3: just because of the skill player is a play caller, 348 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 3: good offensive line. But then I'm going Chicago at number two. 349 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 3: I think that those to me are the clear one 350 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: two of the quarterback teams I'm looking at. Called it 351 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: quarterback Alley. 352 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a little quarterback Alley. 353 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 3: Tricky, Okay, So Washington, like the skill player is not 354 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 3: the offensive line. Questions about the play caller. New England 355 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 3: is not good, Giants not good, and then Minnesota are 356 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 3: a Denver in Vegas vision there right, Yeah, I actual 357 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 3: Vegas is getsy. 358 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm factory in play caller as well. 359 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: The first two are easy. 360 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: The first two, Yeah, the first two are easy. Okay. 361 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: So let's say I'm oh. 362 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: Nicks and would I rather be drafted by the Raiders 363 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 3: or the Broncos. 364 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: It's tricky. I think I would actually. 365 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: Lean Denver because of Sean Payton. I know that that 366 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 3: might not be a popular answer. Obviously Vegas is better. 367 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 3: You have Davante Adams, but yeah, I'd rather play with 368 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 3: Sean Payton. 369 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:45,200 Speaker 2: What would you do, Buck, how would you rank them? One? Two, three? 370 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 5: No, Look, I think you guys have kind of hit it. 371 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 5: The thing about the Broncos. I love the play caller 372 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 5: Sean Payton, but then I look around the weapons, I'm like, man, 373 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 5: what are we doing? Like we got Courtland Sutton, he 374 00:17:56,800 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 5: wants a contract, ascension, We have memes. I just don't 375 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 5: know if it's enough to be able to do it. 376 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: How about but you the same at the top, would 377 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: you go? Would you go Minnesota over Chicago? Like one two? 378 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 5: Because I like both guys on the outside. I like 379 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,879 Speaker 5: Jordan Addison and Jefferson. I think Kevin O'Connor has a 380 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 5: special gift when it comes to calling plays. 381 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 4: I think he made the game very easy for Kirk Cousins. 382 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 5: So I'm believing that he can do that for a 383 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 5: young quarterback. And I'm be honest with the Chicago I 384 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 5: don't know how great Shane Waldron is as a play caller, 385 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 5: Like no disrespect, but I don't know how good that's 386 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 5: going to look into Winnie City with a young quarterback. 387 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 4: I need more time. 388 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: I think I'm a little higher on it. 389 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 4: But the I'm just saying, I just I'm always competing. 390 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 2: Against in this conversation, He's not competing against all all 391 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 2: you know the other, but in this collection of teams, 392 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: I think he stacks up pretty good. 393 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm saying, like behind Kevin O'Connell, that's all 394 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 5: I'm saying. 395 00:18:59,000 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. 396 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 4: Right, I'm not saying I'm not saying that. 397 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 5: I'm just saying in the conversation, I think Kevin O'Connell 398 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 5: is over Shane Walcher, and then the other guys don't 399 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 5: have the firepower to be able to do it the same. 400 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 4: I mean, you talk me to sayings to Broncos. 401 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, to me like the if you tell 402 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 2: me that the Raiders take a tackle with their thirteenth 403 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 2: pick and then come back in to get said quarterback, 404 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: then I move them over the Broncos because I'm just 405 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 2: gonna throw indoors to DeVante Adams and like life is 406 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: not that bad at that point in time. All Right, 407 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: we're gonna take a quick break. We'll be right back, 408 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:40,920 Speaker 2: all right. Mean, I hit you up on this one. 409 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 2: This is something we always do during this time of 410 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: the year and the teams I've I've worked with. It 411 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 2: started with the Ravens and it's kind of spread around 412 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 2: the league a little bit. But we had we would 413 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 2: have a red Star, Black Dots ceremony, so at the 414 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: very end of the process, you have your actual cards 415 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: now there, and now they have to be you know, 416 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: put on their screen, which is not nearly as much 417 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: fun as the agnetize cards up on the wall. But 418 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 2: we would take a little sticker like like you would 419 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: get as a kindergartener growing up with the little red Star, 420 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: and each scout got to go put one star, one 421 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 2: red star, and a player in their area that was 422 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 2: their favorite player that they wanted to bring into the building. 423 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 2: Didn't necessarily didn't have to be the best player. It 424 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: could be a six round player, but just someone that 425 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 2: you loved and you thought, you know, this was my person. 426 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: So we did the red star. The black dot was 427 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 2: the opposite of somebody you do not want. We're not 428 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 2: going to do that here. We're going to keep it positive. 429 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 2: So we're just going to do the red Star ceremony. 430 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 2: So and I'll give you a couple, I'll give you 431 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: the I'll give you as many you want to go, 432 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: three red stars, three of just your favorite players that 433 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 2: you think are going to be really good pros. 434 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: Okay, So when you said red star. 435 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 3: To me, when you tye that to me, I nodded 436 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 3: like I knew what that meant, but I think I 437 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 3: was interested. I was like, Okay, I think you meant 438 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 3: like can't miss. And I have like probably five players 439 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: who I view that way in this draft. 440 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 1: But favorites is very different. Favorites is a different discussion, 441 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: like you. 442 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: You want your team to get this player because they're 443 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: going to be fun to watch and you believe in them. 444 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: Ah. 445 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: Interesting, Okay. 446 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 3: I so I'm going to stay out of the top 447 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 3: very top of the draft because I just I. 448 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 1: Don't want to be too obvious. 449 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 2: Then we all, we all can agree Roma Dunes, they 450 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: should it be everyone's favorite player. Let's just move on. 451 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: Okay, there's so many Huskies. 452 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like, well, now I'm I've been 453 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 3: seeing your colleague Peter Schaker has been talking a lot 454 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 3: about Jaylen. 455 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 2: He's on Rosen Garden and Polk and I've seen McMillan 456 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 2: get some last minute love here. 457 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 4: Yeah. 458 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 3: It was really We'll never have that again, sad as 459 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 3: Asky's fan. Okay, so I'm going to personal faves. I'll 460 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,679 Speaker 3: go with a defensive player that I was just I 461 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: was just tweeting about him. I love Johnny Newton. I 462 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: could just watch him all day. I He's not. He's 463 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 3: not even I actually I have Murphy over him for 464 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 3: because of the strength athleticism, really and and I get it. 465 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 1: I think they're both great. 466 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 3: But there's just some thing about a player who's like 467 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: a little bit undersized but knows how to use his 468 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: leverage to his advantage on every play and that I 469 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 3: find just so eminently watchable. Maybe it's because I've been 470 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: personally victimized by Aaron Donald as a human being for 471 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 3: so long as a Seahawks fan. But I love how 472 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 3: hot his motor runs. I love his hand usage, I 473 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: love his first step. I think his size, I think 474 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 3: it doesn't show up in ways that make me concerned 475 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 3: about him. I love the way he takes over football 476 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: games on that Illinois team. I just. 477 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. 478 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 3: I think he gives you versatility on the defensive line. 479 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: It's very easy for me to imagine him having success 480 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 3: to the next level. 481 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: I like it. Let's go around the hornbuck. We'll just 482 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 2: go around a couple of times. Here a couple spins, 483 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: So go ahead. 484 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 4: Okay, it's my ristar player. 485 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, how do we go? 486 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: Oh from Iowa? He is my favorite player. 487 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 5: I mean I would make the argument that he might 488 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 5: be the best defender in the draft just because of 489 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 5: all the different things that he can do. Like DJ 490 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 5: I'm look, I'm a fan because he can play outside, 491 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 5: he can play in the slot, he can play safety. 492 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 5: When you watch him play, his technique, his tools and 493 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 5: talent are terrific high IQ. He can return punts. Iowa 494 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 5: has a reputation for producing players that succeed. I mean 495 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 5: they excel in the league from the secondary. You think 496 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 5: about Michael Hyde and some of the other guys. To me, man, 497 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 5: I just I can't see this guy failing in the league. 498 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:37,520 Speaker 5: I think he's a star waiting to happen. 499 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: I was talking to somebody last night about it with 500 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 2: the team, and it was funny because he was saying 501 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: that he was a pretty heated debate with him and 502 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 2: another player, and he was on the Dijine side of things, 503 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: and his point was which is a good one? Which 504 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: the fun one, which was like, Hey, your guy pokes 505 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: the ball away, Like that's great. I love that my 506 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 2: guy not only catches it, he's likely to score with it. 507 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,160 Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, and oh by the way, 508 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 2: with the with the return game changing, he might win 509 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 2: us one game as a returner next year, and and 510 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: so it's like when you start tie breaking when players 511 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 2: are closely graded. He's got a lot of things that 512 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: go in his favor, even though the fact he hasn't 513 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 2: played much safety, like all of his stuff looks like 514 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: it translates very easily there. But and the intelligence to 515 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 2: be able to move around and do different things with him. Yeah, 516 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: I think he's a fun player. And I think if 517 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 2: you have a plan for him, you can be you're 518 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: gonna be stoked. I don't know if I'm just I 519 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: don't know if I'm just drafting him and leaving him 520 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 2: outside and saying you're just gonna be No. 521 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 5: I think I think it's I think it's also the 522 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 5: influence of that we always are hurt kind of go 523 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 5: back to our past. I just remember Eric where Eric Weddle, 524 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 5: and I remember watching Eric Weddle and really liking him, 525 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 5: but not really going hard in beating saying, hey, man, 526 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 5: this dude can play at a high level. And then 527 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 5: you watch him have the career that he had and 528 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 5: I was like, man, I sat there and saw it 529 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 5: like he was the best player on the field. He 530 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 5: did everything. Cooper reminds me of Eric Weddell in that capacity. 531 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 5: Now that I'm gonna sit him outside, I think he 532 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 5: plays somewhere inside, moving around and just gives you a 533 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 5: lot of versatility and a lot of playmaking. 534 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 2: One of the things that we always did in Baltimore, 535 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: which I think was you could see it in those defenses. 536 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 2: We paid extra emphasis to DB's when they got the ball, 537 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 2: like like Ed was obviously the oh yeah of that bunch, 538 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: but when we were evaluating players, it meant more in 539 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: our meeting room if you had pick sixes, if you 540 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: had scoop and scores, if you had sacks and force fumbles. 541 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: Like there was another layer to that of like we're 542 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: going to play offense with our defense, so just just 543 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 2: getting the sack, just getting the pass break up, even 544 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: just getting the interception like we were always want and 545 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 2: part of it's because our offense was very good. We 546 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: needed that from our defense, but like there was that 547 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 2: extra level to that which I always think, you know, 548 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: you give a little love, little extra credence to that. 549 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: We also liked offensive lineman who could tackle because we 550 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 2: were going to throw some interceptions. Neither here nor there 551 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: for me on the Red Star thing. Again, I mentioned 552 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 2: if I was going to go up at the top, 553 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 2: it would be roma Dunze for me. If I'm going 554 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: to go outside of that group, Mike sammers Still is easy, 555 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: just because. 556 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 3: I meant anyone who doesn't like Mike Sarah Still. 557 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,440 Speaker 2: First of all, like the guys, the leadership character, CEO, 558 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: all the words you want to use to describe him. 559 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: If you've heard him talk like, you get it. There's 560 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: a reason why they say he was kind of leading 561 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: the charge here with this team and this turnaround that 562 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,479 Speaker 2: they've been on at Michigan. But besides that, I'm a 563 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: believer in the Johnny on the Spot theory of scouting, 564 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: which there's no science behind. But anytime there's a ball 565 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 2: on the ground, this guy is next to it, and 566 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: it's like and the ball pops up in the air, 567 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 2: it's in this guy's lap. Like in some ways, that's 568 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 2: a skill like and not only just someone who's forcing 569 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 2: things to happen, but someone who is always in the 570 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 2: right place at the right time, and the action just 571 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 2: kind of finds him. So all that kind of put together, 572 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: I think you get a really great kid and a 573 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 2: very defined role. He is a nickel only that is 574 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 2: what he is and who he is. But he's very 575 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: good in that role and he can tackle like a 576 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: son of a gun. 577 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 3: I mentioned earlier, I did the twenty eighteen draft recap 578 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 3: with Bill so Santra. Still it's Mike Kilton. Everybody compares 579 00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 3: into Mike Keilden. He looks like michaild he plays like Milton, 580 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 3: He's used like Mike Kilton. I totally forgot my Kilton 581 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 3: was the first round draft. 582 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: Pick until I look back at that. 583 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I totally forgot that, uh, until we revisited 584 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 3: that draft. 585 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: But it is. It's one of those comps that's so obvious, 586 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: it's just right. I feel like. 587 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,879 Speaker 2: Round two, let's go one more. Round three, mean, and 588 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: I'll give you one more red star. 589 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: I am okay, I'm not gonna go Pulk because I 590 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 3: already mentioned him, and I'm trying to what you dub. 591 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 3: I'm a huge lad McConkie person. I just I mean, 592 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 3: he's just going to be a good NFL player. I 593 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,719 Speaker 3: don't know, he's one of those players like I would be. 594 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 3: I would be more surprised if he wasn't successful then 595 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 3: if he was. 596 00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 1: For a litany of reasons. 597 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: I love his sudden I love how quickly he wins 598 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 3: line of scrimmage. I love the way he tempos his routes. 599 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 3: I think he is sizes an issue, but he uses 600 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 3: his frame well. He has just got such a great 601 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,880 Speaker 3: feel for finding the voids and zone he can beat, 602 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: you know, and he can win in man. I think 603 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 3: he has inside outside versatility that's underrated. He is not 604 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: slought only in my estimation. I think on the right team, 605 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: he's just going to catch a million passes. 606 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 4: Look, I love that. I love that he's one of 607 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 4: my favorites. I dig that. Let's go. 608 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 5: DJ knows because I've talked about him the last two 609 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 5: weeks incessantly. I can't stop talking about will Shipley from 610 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 5: Clemson being j Like I like, DJ, I'm telling you, Okay, 611 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 5: hear me, now, hear me later, Like I'm just I'm 612 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 5: just telling you. The dude has some stuff to him 613 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 5: that in the right offense, he is going to be 614 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 5: a problem. And the comparison that was made to me 615 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 5: today was think of him like Kevin Falk when Kevin 616 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 5: Falk was into New England Patriots, and he's a third 617 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 5: down back. 618 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 4: He comes off the bench, he does all the screen game. 619 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 5: He gives you a little bit of the run game, 620 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 5: but as a wide receiver, I think there's something too. 621 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 5: And in a class of I would say nondescript running backs. 622 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 5: To me, I can sail a role for him easily. 623 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,840 Speaker 5: When I'm talking to the coach and gentlemen, we bring 624 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 5: him in. He's going to do X, Y and Z, 625 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 5: and this is how he's going to get his production. 626 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 5: To me, he's easy to do. 627 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: He was one of those guys when like his first 628 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 2: year at Clemson and you're just kind of casually watching 629 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: on a Saturday and you're like, for he jumps out 630 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 2: is the white wanning back at Clemson? Like who's this guy? 631 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 2: This guy's pretty good and you kind of you look 632 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: him up and you're like, oh, he was like a 633 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: big time, big time recruit. And then it's just kind 634 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 2: of he kind of felt like he kind of drifted 635 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 2: through at some injuries. And then then when you go 636 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 2: in and start studying him this year, I'm like, nah, 637 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 2: he is. He's a good player. And a running back 638 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: class where I literally talked to somebody last night and 639 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 2: I was like, who are your top three running backs? 640 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 2: And like, for me, they would have been like ten, eleven, 641 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: and twelve. Your grades are everywhere on this on this 642 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: quarterback class, like the least consensus possible. 643 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: What was the most surprising one to you? 644 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 2: Well, I'm not, like, I don't love Braylan Allen and 645 00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: I think he was like his first or second guy really. 646 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and like like the South Dakota State running 647 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: back was way way way up there. So again, they're 648 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 2: all they're all over the map, and there's people that 649 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: love Texas. I like Marshawn Lloyd is my is my 650 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: favorite of the bunch. But yeah, anyways, it's uh, it's 651 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 2: one of the one of the quick side note here. 652 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: As much as I love PFF and and being able 653 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: to sort all this video and watch all of it, 654 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: the only the only cautionary tale that I'll have there 655 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 2: is always be a little bit skeptical of the fumble numbers, 656 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: because when you see running backs with fumble numbers in college, 657 00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 2: I hear people like Evistrate some of these guys, and 658 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 2: I'm like, have you watched him? Okay, two of them 659 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 2: are on mesh where you're gonna tell me as the 660 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 2: quarterback of the running back because I can't tell when 661 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 2: I'm watching that who screwed that up. Some of them 662 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 2: are on a toss that's like over his back shoulder 663 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 2: where he doesn't catch it. It's like some of these 664 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: fumbles that get attributed to these guys, and they're not 665 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,280 Speaker 2: all created equal here. So I would be that's my 666 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 2: one little cautionary nugget there. But my last one, I'm 667 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: gonna go Malachi Corley from Western Kentucky. He's the best 668 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 2: run after catch receiver in the draft. He does I 669 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 2: mean this average. I think his average area ards is 670 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: literally like five yards, like it's the lowest in the 671 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 2: entire draft class. They do not let him get down 672 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 2: the field. But I thought when you watch him at 673 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 2: the Senior Bowl, he has that ability. I think just 674 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't. He doesn't. 675 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 2: He wasn't used that way. And I think his literal 676 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: bio on his social media is the yak King with 677 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: the crown, and I'm like, yes, yes he is the 678 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: yak King, and we shall call him as such. But 679 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 2: he's gonna be one I think go in the third 680 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 2: or fourth round. Again, I like guys that come in 681 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 2: clear packaging. I know how to use him and what 682 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: he is, and I think he's somebody that can win 683 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 2: and be successful at the next level. 684 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: That's a good question. 685 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 2: That was healthy, that was a healthy discussion. My favorite 686 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: mena real quick before we let you run my favorite 687 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 2: black dot story. We had a player in Baltimore where 688 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 2: we a linebacker buck. I've told you this. We had 689 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 2: so he was somebody we thought would be a second 690 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 2: round pick. So we have the black dots ceremony. This 691 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: is just the scouts, right, So it's just the scouts, 692 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 2: and so we go through. He's not a great character. 693 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: We don't want he's just let somebody else pick him. 694 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 2: Boom stick the black dot on him. So third round 695 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 2: goes by, fourth round goes by, fifth round goes by. 696 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 2: Get a new card, get him a new card, take 697 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 2: the black dot off. It's a sixth round. Like, he's 698 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 2: been punished enough. We can't take him with the owners 699 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: gonna go, why does this guy have a blacked eye 700 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 2: on his cards? Like, just get him a new card. 701 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 2: We took him in the sixth round. I'll tell you 702 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,720 Speaker 2: allf air. He hung around for a little bit, not long, 703 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 2: but yeah. 704 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: Now my mind is racing as to well, anyways. 705 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 2: Oh mean you're a best. I appreciate you taking some 706 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 2: time for us. I know it's it's it's crazy time 707 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 2: of year, but it's it's always great to visit with you. 708 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: It's good to see you guys. 709 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 3: Dune say, no matter what, got to make the. 710 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: Okay, where do you want him to go? As a like, 711 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 2: I'm invested in his success as well, so but where 712 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: do you want him to go? 713 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 3: This is sacrilege from me because I am a trade down, 714 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: accumulate picks Taylor messy believer. I routinely criticized teams who 715 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 3: trade up for non quarterbacks that said, I really think 716 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 3: the Bill should put in a call and give up 717 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: the first and go up and get him. He's just 718 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 3: exactly what they need. And I think for players where 719 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 3: I have like a high degree of conviction in them 720 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 3: and you have the I mean, you see how much 721 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 3: these bride receivers are making. If you have a receiver 722 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: who can be a top ten receiver in the NFL 723 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 3: and is making, you know, under ten million dollars a year, 724 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: the savings that you would get from it, I think 725 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: you have to consider that when you're baking in the 726 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 3: cost of moving up in the draft. 727 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: And I've said this to you. 728 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 3: I just don't see a world in which Rumadunza isn't 729 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 3: a star in the NFL. 730 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 4: I love that. 731 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,799 Speaker 2: When I think of the Buffalo Bills, I think of 732 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 2: the is it is it van Halen? Right now? There's 733 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 2: no tomorrow like the. 734 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: Song Come on, Yeah, I know you're right, you're right. 735 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 2: Blaring in my ears. 736 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 1: Yes, do it. 737 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: It will be fun. That will be fun. We need 738 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 2: some fireworks on Draft night. Hopefully we get some. All right, 739 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 2: she's the best, Mena. We appreciate you coming on, and uh, 740 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 2: we'll see you. You're gonna be in Detroit, right, well, 741 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 2: we'll be there. 742 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: I'll see there. 743 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 2: Okay, we'll see in Detroit. 744 00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: Thank you, all right, Buck. 745 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 2: That was fun. Mina as someone who's obviously she's really smart. 746 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 2: She does her work and always always goo to get 747 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 2: some other ideas, especially as you get late in the process. 748 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 2: You know, I think we kind of know where each 749 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 2: other are on a lot of these things. So it's 750 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 2: fun to have a new voice come in there and 751 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,720 Speaker 2: get some new thoughts on everything. 752 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 4: Yeah. 753 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 5: No, it's great, man, it's great scrimmaging different ideas and 754 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,319 Speaker 5: different thoughts, and her analytical background certainly adds some a 755 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 5: layer to it, but it's always fun. I think some 756 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 5: of the best things about these meetings, these draft meetings, 757 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 5: are the conversations that you have that either kind of 758 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 5: confirm your own thoughts or challenge your thoughts and make 759 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 5: you kind of go back and really prove your point 760 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,320 Speaker 5: to your peers. 761 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 4: I love that part. 762 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 2: Name no doubt anything else cooking here before we get 763 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 2: out of. 764 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 5: Here, nah man, and look his the week before we 765 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,720 Speaker 5: getting up to it. You're almost done. I'm kind of ready, 766 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,360 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying. It's almost like, all right, 767 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 5: Grid had a baby, to see where everyone's going to go, 768 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 5: and let's talk about it that way. 769 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to I've got to put together my 770 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,680 Speaker 2: top one fifty by the end of the day. So 771 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 2: that's my that's my assignment to finish that little project up. 772 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,200 Speaker 2: And then you end up in evidly being like I 773 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 2: have spent a lot of time figuring out where to 774 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 2: put Ben Senate, Like how high up I should have 775 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 2: the man moved tight end from Kansas. 776 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 4: Where's you're out? 777 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 5: Just you're just nashing, just nashing over these last I 778 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 5: would imagine the last twenty five picks are just like here, 779 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 5: we go. 780 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 2: At the end, at the end of at the end 781 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: of the day, at the end of the day, we 782 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: don't we don't have to make the picks. You know, 783 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 2: there's something there's some freedom in that. As much as 784 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 2: we enjoyed our time in the league, there is a 785 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 2: little bit of freedom in that. I do want to 786 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 2: ry remind everybody. We back Monday with an episode. I'll 787 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 2: be in Detroit. We're going to have Graham barton on, 788 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 2: who I think has got a chance to be top 789 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 2: twenty pick, so we'll get a chance to visit with 790 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 2: him and then dig into all the last minute things 791 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 2: we're hearing and thinking about as we get towards the draft. 792 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,200 Speaker 2: All right, Buck, it's been fun man. Good to see buddy, 793 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 2: and I'll catch up with you on Monday. That's it 794 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 2: for us here, See you next time on Movie Sticks. 795 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 3: Before Remote Comunity, Befounity