WEBVTT - Were Africans Kidnapped and Forced Into Slavery? (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with it, says. We continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly Studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Rams's job.

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<v Speaker 2>He is Rams's joh I am q Ward. You are

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<v Speaker 2>tuned into Civic Cipher once again.

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<v Speaker 1>Dude, you are, and we still have plenty more show

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<v Speaker 1>for you to stick around for. I do want to

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<v Speaker 1>So stick around for our Bob Bob Becoming a Better Ally,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do want to share a really special story

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<v Speaker 1>the ways that slaves were captured not just bought. The

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<v Speaker 1>just in love with them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to see the pictures from the event and

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<v Speaker 2>it looked like it was incredible. I wish I could

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<v Speaker 2>have been there, but it was my baby boy's birthday.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, we are going to talk about some

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<v Speaker 1>more slave stuff. And the reason we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this, you know, Qu's the reason that we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about this right now. In fact, talk to us a bit,

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<v Speaker 1>Q about why you thought that this was relevant, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know the reason you sent it to a group chat.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way you put it was so eloquent.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's important to share information like this

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<v Speaker 2>with each other sometimes believe it or not. To you

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<v Speaker 2>that is listening to us right now, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>be reassured that we are not sitting in an echo

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<v Speaker 2>chamber sharing information from a single point of view or

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<v Speaker 2>a single data set. And oftentimes, because Ramsenes and I

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<v Speaker 2>are singular as Civic Cipher and in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other areas of our professional life, we spend a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of time having these conversations in a studio with you,

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<v Speaker 2>our listener, and each other, and we get far more

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<v Speaker 2>pushback than support. And I think that's because some people

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<v Speaker 2>think the information that we're sharing is obviously true, so

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<v Speaker 2>they don't feel a need to come and give us

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<v Speaker 2>an amen or a vote of support. And those that

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<v Speaker 2>oppose us, very very loudly oppose us. So sometimes we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking at each other like, are we the ones that

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<v Speaker 2>are on the wrong side of this, because there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many people that seem to be up against us in

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<v Speaker 2>this information age. Because once upon a time there were

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<v Speaker 2>gatekeepers to information. Scientists, professors, and even the news once

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<v Speaker 2>upon a time gave us the information that we held

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<v Speaker 2>to be true. If you wanted to do a scholastic

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<v Speaker 2>research study on something, you had to go to a library,

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<v Speaker 2>you had to look through encyclopedias, so the information that

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<v Speaker 2>you were getting you were pretty certain that that information

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<v Speaker 2>was real. Well, now in the information age, you have

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<v Speaker 2>access to all of the information that exist. Because because

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<v Speaker 2>so many of us don't know how to properly conduct

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<v Speaker 2>a scholastic study or do scholastic research, we take all

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<v Speaker 2>of the information that's true and then we share that

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<v Speaker 2>information as some type of intellectual flex. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>know the one thing that all the doctors and scientists

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know. And I know that one thing, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>the topic, politics, slavery, medicine, a global pandemic, systemic depression. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the one that knows. The thing that everyone else

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't know. Is the position that a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>have taken. And sadly, we end up on the other

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<v Speaker 2>side of the table from other black people with regard

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<v Speaker 2>to the reasons that we are oppressed or that we

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<v Speaker 2>are oppressed in the first place. And this contrarian intellectual

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<v Speaker 2>flex that people think they're doing puts us in a

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<v Speaker 2>position where we're arguing things that are obvious, proven fact

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<v Speaker 2>against people who are arguing it against our collective own

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<v Speaker 2>best interest. And one thing that you and I have

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<v Speaker 2>seen too many times to count is black people. Because

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<v Speaker 2>white supremacists and racist people do this anyway. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to make slavery seem smaller, less important, and less impactful

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<v Speaker 2>to today's black American. But even black Americans have started

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<v Speaker 2>to parrot some of this information that you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>sold ourselves into slavery, and that black people are just

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<v Speaker 2>as at fault, and that black people who were going

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<v Speaker 2>to be enslaved or killed otherwise are better off because

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<v Speaker 2>Europeans took us from Africa and brought us to America

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<v Speaker 2>as slaves and taught us all these things about cultivating

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<v Speaker 2>land and being simple human beings and not savages. So

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<v Speaker 2>seeing this information and having someone present actual, reputable and

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<v Speaker 2>verifiable data contrary to some of those arguments was just

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<v Speaker 2>something that I hoped listeners could benefit from.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's get to it, let's play it. And so

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<v Speaker 1>again this is from at Lavert the base man. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to look him up on any platform, I

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<v Speaker 1>think he's all over the place.

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<v Speaker 4>By good morning, you said, not one person was stolen,

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<v Speaker 4>They were sold by their own leaders, don't race bait.

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<v Speaker 4>If you're gonna use disinformation, well Brock Children's eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 4>I can clearly see that your Alabaster, Alabama education has

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<v Speaker 4>failed you. So come here real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's have a conversation.

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<v Speaker 4>First and foremost, I'm gonna need you to stop lying.

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<v Speaker 4>You are far too old that stop it. Secondly, the

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<v Speaker 4>lies you're telling were started by a racist cloister of

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<v Speaker 4>Karen's known as the United Daughters of Confederacy. Their job

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<v Speaker 4>was to spread this and disinformation about slavery in the

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<v Speaker 4>United States of America. They lied and rewrote history books,

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<v Speaker 4>making sure that they favored the South and protected racists.

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<v Speaker 4>You racists and many disinformed people say that nobody was

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<v Speaker 4>stolen from Africa, while history says this. Momiral John Hawkins

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<v Speaker 4>hijacked a Portuguese slave ship and sold three hundred Africans

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<v Speaker 4>from it, and on his second trip he captured four

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<v Speaker 4>hundred Africans. He didn't buy them, he didn't purchase them,

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<v Speaker 4>and he didn't trade for them. He captured them. And

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<v Speaker 4>when he finished he wrote a book titled an Alliance

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<v Speaker 4>to Raid for Slaves. And in this book he tells

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<v Speaker 4>the story of the very first Africans they captured, kidnapped,

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<v Speaker 4>and stole. He writes in his book I went myself

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<v Speaker 4>where we took two hundred and fifty persons, men, women

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<v Speaker 4>and children. He said nothing about buying them, not purchasing them,

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<v Speaker 4>not trading them. He said, we took two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty people, and in total there were six hundred prisoners.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet here you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are just loud, proud and wrong, declaring that nobody was stolen.

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<v Speaker 4>You then go on to say that they were sold

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<v Speaker 4>by their own leaders, and that too is false. Africa

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<v Speaker 4>has the highest form of genetic diversity on the planet.

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<v Speaker 4>Before white people showed up, there was no we are

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<v Speaker 4>all Africans, we are all black. No, they were different ethnicities,

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<v Speaker 4>much like you Europeans were. How you British were different

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<v Speaker 4>from the Normans, who were different from the Irish, who

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<v Speaker 4>were different from the Scots, who were different from the Celts,

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<v Speaker 4>who were different from the French, who were different from

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<v Speaker 4>the Germans, who were different from the Gauls. You see

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<v Speaker 4>how that works. You see how different ethnicities work in Europe.

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<v Speaker 4>It works the same way in Africa. It works the

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<v Speaker 4>same way in Africa. And just like in Europe, white

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<v Speaker 4>men were the ones who were fueling these conflicts between

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<v Speaker 4>different ethnicities. So in warfare, when one kingdom conquers another,

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<v Speaker 4>their prisoners of war were enslaved. These African kings didn't

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<v Speaker 4>enslave their own people, They enslaved their enemies. You then

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<v Speaker 4>go on to say, don't race bait if you're going

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<v Speaker 4>to use this information. See, I don't think you understand

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<v Speaker 4>what race bating is, because if you did, you would

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<v Speaker 4>know that your misinformation is intentionally encouraging racism or anger

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<v Speaker 4>about issues relating to race. The lies that you and

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<v Speaker 4>people like you tell prevent this nation from healing by

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<v Speaker 4>stopping the truth from being told. You know, people believe

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<v Speaker 4>a lie faster than they believe the truth. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you're a prime example, right. You then go on to

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<v Speaker 4>say that they were promised land and a mule in

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<v Speaker 4>eighteen sixty five, and that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>We were promised forty acres and a mule. Did we

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<v Speaker 3>get it? No?

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<v Speaker 4>You want to know why, because Andrew Johnson overturned the

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<v Speaker 4>order in the fall of eighteen sixty five. He gave

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<v Speaker 4>all that land back to the racist to the very

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<v Speaker 4>people who declared war on the United States of America.

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<v Speaker 4>You then go on to say that the first slaves

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<v Speaker 4>to leave Africa to America was fifteen twenty six, And

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<v Speaker 4>that ain't true either, because it was fifteen oh one

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<v Speaker 4>when Spain began trafficking enslaved Africans to the New World.

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<v Speaker 3>You're too old to be doing all that, damn line.

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<v Speaker 4>It was fifteen twenty six when Spain landed in what

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<v Speaker 4>would become the United States of America. Now was I

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<v Speaker 4>talking about Spain or Spanish colonies in that video, No,

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<v Speaker 4>I was not. I was talking about Britain and British

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<v Speaker 4>colonies around the world, specifically British colonial America. And I

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<v Speaker 4>said that several times throughout the video, and at least

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<v Speaker 4>twice within the first ten seconds. And as stated in

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<v Speaker 4>the video, it was August twentieth, sixteen nineteen when Africans

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<v Speaker 4>first landed in British colonial America. It's clear that your

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<v Speaker 4>UDC education hasn't taught you that America started out as

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<v Speaker 4>colonies of Spain, France, England, and the Dutch. Those are

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<v Speaker 4>four separate countries that colonized indigenous land, and each one

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<v Speaker 4>of those colonies had a different slave policy. So when

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<v Speaker 4>you said they never promised them anything, You're partially correct

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<v Speaker 4>because Spain never promised their enslaved Africans anything but Britain. However,

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<v Speaker 4>Britain promised their indentured servants their freedom and land, and

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<v Speaker 4>what was point comfort It was a British colony. So

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<v Speaker 4>am I saying that no Africans were ever bought and

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<v Speaker 4>sold during the entirety of the Transatlantic slave trade?

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>We know that some were bought and sold, but for

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<v Speaker 4>you to say that none were stolen, that is stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>So why is that belief stupid? Because apologists for the

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<v Speaker 4>African slave trade long argued that European traders did not

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<v Speaker 4>enslave anyone. They simply purchased Africans who had already been

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<v Speaker 4>enslaved and otherwise would have been put to death. Thus,

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<v Speaker 4>apologists like you, sir, claimed the slave trade actually saved lives.

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<v Speaker 4>Such claims represent a gross distortion of the facts. Some

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<v Speaker 4>independent slave merchants did in fact stage raids on unprotected

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<v Speaker 4>African villages, as we have shown previously in the video,

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<v Speaker 4>as well as kidnap and enslave Africans, and most professional

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<v Speaker 4>slave traders. However, they set up bases along the West

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<v Speaker 4>African coast where they could purchase slaves from Africans in

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<v Speaker 4>exchange for firearms and other goods. But before the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the seventeenth century, England, France, Denmark, Holland and Portugal

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<v Speaker 4>had all established slave trading post on the West African coast.

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<v Speaker 4>And why they do that because of a little thing

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<v Speaker 4>called supply and demand. You see, Europeans wanted everything that

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<v Speaker 4>came from Africa, from the soil to the people, to

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<v Speaker 4>the water to the mineral everything that came from Africa,

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<v Speaker 4>Europeans wanted it. And all Africans wanted an exchange were

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<v Speaker 4>weapons so that they could defend themselves from their enemies.

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<v Speaker 4>And with European help, many African kingdoms were able to

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<v Speaker 4>defend themselves against their enemies at the same time providing

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<v Speaker 4>Europeans with slaves, with bodies, with human capital. So the

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<v Speaker 4>next time you decide to open your mouth on the internet,

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<v Speaker 4>make sure your facts are straight, because you don't need

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<v Speaker 4>my help.

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<v Speaker 3>Making you look stupid. Now half the day you were

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<v Speaker 3>meant to have.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh we have the day you were meant to have

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<v Speaker 2>as an incredible way to send someone off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so again, that was LeVert the Baseman, all his

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<v Speaker 1>sources are cited. If you end up, you know, checking

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<v Speaker 1>out his content, you come across that video, you can

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<v Speaker 1>check his sources. We've checked a good number of them.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, he's a content creator that we bought

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<v Speaker 1>on our own. Basically for people who love to throw

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<v Speaker 1>that back in black people's face that you know, Africans sold,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, their countrymen and slavery. That's not the only.

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<v Speaker 2>Way important to interject here because something he touched on

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<v Speaker 2>that the rest of the world seems to have a

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<v Speaker 2>very obtuse view on it's Africans and their countrymen. Africa

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<v Speaker 2>is a continent filled with several different countries. So again,

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<v Speaker 2>Africans selling their countrymen as a statement is misleading. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>yeah that people saying, I tend to think. No, this

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a correction for you. This is for the listener

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<v Speaker 2>who clears that and continues to self perpetuate the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that Africa is singular in ethnicity or in culture. Because

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<v Speaker 2>of this constructive race, people see and think black is

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<v Speaker 2>a one thing. That's why black people and I cringe

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<v Speaker 2>every time I hear. But this is why a black

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<v Speaker 2>people have had to so enthusiastically express to the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the world that we are not a monolith. Lord,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish we were. However, they're not wrong when they

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<v Speaker 2>say that. And the reason that they say that is

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<v Speaker 2>because this constructive race, which was only created to separate

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<v Speaker 2>those that could be owned as property and who were

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to be the permanent slave class from those who weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're black, You guys can't see my quotation marks

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm putting in the air. They can be property,

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<v Speaker 2>they can be owned, they could be just like cattle

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<v Speaker 2>or less than And.

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<v Speaker 1>It was illegal to own a white person, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>as it was, and whiteness was defined by law in

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<v Speaker 1>this country, and there were arguments to determine what whiteness

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<v Speaker 1>was for the and what blackness was right for the

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<v Speaker 1>specific purpose of deciding who could be owned and who

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<v Speaker 1>could not be owned. And then depending on the status

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<v Speaker 1>of your mother, that determined what status you had. And

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<v Speaker 1>so there was, as you mentioned, a permanent slave class.

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<v Speaker 1>So the type of slavery that was even practiced in

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<v Speaker 1>this country is very different than the type of slavery

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<v Speaker 1>that had historically taken place. So again, for those folks

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<v Speaker 1>who like old slavery is just something that's happened all

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<v Speaker 1>over the country. Black people, black or Africans sold their

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<v Speaker 1>own brothers and sisters, countrymen, whatever in the slavery. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that is nonsense in and of itself on its face,

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<v Speaker 1>but the point that those people are trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>breaks down when we look at again some of the

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<v Speaker 1>other ways for those that heard the way black history fact. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>piracy and slaver aids by white people to get more

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<v Speaker 1>bodies onto their ships were also common. Of course, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a good number of people being sold into slavery, but.

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<v Speaker 3>That was due to.

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<v Speaker 1>A market that was created by Europeans. The Transatlantic slave

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<v Speaker 1>trans human beings been around for between one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty and two hundred and fifty thousand years or something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. We're talking like the fifteen hundreds when this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff start popping off through the eighteen hundreds, so there's

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<v Speaker 1>a three hundred year period where European business people decide, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we can get cheaper labor if we acquire black people

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<v Speaker 1>to do it, and we can have them enslaved in perpetuity.

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<v Speaker 1>And granted that wasn't necessarily the case all over the world,

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<v Speaker 1>it was definitely the case in the Americans and the

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<v Speaker 1>West Indies. But this is where the concept of a

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<v Speaker 1>white person comes from, because prior to fifteen hundred, there

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<v Speaker 1>was no such thing as a white person. Indeed, as

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<v Speaker 1>he mentioned in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Article, especially not in a way of ethnicity or or race.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a thing. Yeah, Prior to fifteen hundred, there

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<v Speaker 1>was only English people, Scottish people, French people, Spanish people.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. There was no such thing

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<v Speaker 1>as white people any more than there was a such

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<v Speaker 1>thing as black people, because you know, as we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>there was people from you know, different tribes in different

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<v Speaker 1>you know, parts of Africa. So Mali, Morocco, thanks you

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>You know which places that would eventually in the future

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the west coast of Africa become Nigeria

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<v Speaker 2>and Ghana and things like this.

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<v Speaker 1>So exactly exactly my point. So, in short, the way

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of people think of blackness, to your

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<v Speaker 1>point earlier, Q, is that black people are just one

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<v Speaker 1>group of people, and that black people sold black people

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<v Speaker 1>into slavery, and black people had slaves in Africa, and

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<v Speaker 1>slavery is something that everybody's done to each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>that ignores it doesn't even ignore the nuance. It ignores

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<v Speaker 1>the the entirety of the explanation it is. It is

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<v Speaker 1>too elementary of a of a of an explanation to

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<v Speaker 1>be taken seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>And even as you say it back then, he he

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<v Speaker 2>highlights in the video, if our countries were at war,

0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:07.080
<v Speaker 2>those who were we captured, we didn't kill. We put

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.320
<v Speaker 2>them to work for us. That was a condition of

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<v Speaker 2>being captured as an enemy to whatever nation you were

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<v Speaker 2>warring against. So even then, the way that people did

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<v Speaker 2>it in that sense was kind of merciful, like we

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<v Speaker 2>could have just went od.

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<v Speaker 1>On, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been intentionally perpetuated in a way that makes

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<v Speaker 2>it seem like there was mercy shown on those taken

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<v Speaker 2>away from their captors in Africa because it was brought

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<v Speaker 2>to the America.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me go with that, because the truth is, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were taken as a prisoner and enslaved, you were

0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:44.200
<v Speaker 1>an African tribe, you were taken by another African tribe,

0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:49.720
<v Speaker 1>you were enslaved. Your children's children's children weren't slaves. It

0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:52.760
<v Speaker 1>wasn't a permanent slave class, you know. And there were

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<v Speaker 1>laws of how to treat human beings and so forth,

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<v Speaker 1>and you can find this out in Egypt. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find this out elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>There were laws, which is why we had to be

0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:02.119
<v Speaker 2>view as less than human, thank you, so that they

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<v Speaker 2>could use God to justify treating us as less than

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<v Speaker 2>and consider themselves to be good people, moral people, even

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<v Speaker 2>though they were subjugated an entire race to this type

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<v Speaker 2>of slavery and treatment.

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<v Speaker 1>And the last thing I'll say is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's call it three hundred year period or so of

0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:25.400
<v Speaker 1>the Transatlantic slave trade. Again, that market, that European fueled

0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:29.200
<v Speaker 1>market of okay, we got to get more slaves. It

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<v Speaker 1>turned it, It turned Africa into you know, if you're

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<v Speaker 1>an African leader, you're either going to be the one

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<v Speaker 1>being captured ultimately or you're going to be the one

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<v Speaker 1>doing the capturing. And if these Europeans are bringing guns,

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, you govern yourself accordingly. So so Europeans

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<v Speaker 1>cannot divorce themselves from their responsibility here either either. You

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<v Speaker 1>because the history shows that black people were stolen, Black

0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:02.119
<v Speaker 1>people were you know, rated pirated, and of course the

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<v Speaker 1>European market influences have contributed to the overall Transatlantic slave

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<v Speaker 1>trade and the current predicament of black people in this

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<v Speaker 1>country at least, and so we'll leave it right there.

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