Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowits were
Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field
Speaker 1: and West. Kind of a continuing conversation here all week
Speaker 1: on our show with lots of different topics, ideas, things
Speaker 1: that we brought back from our week in Indianapolis at
Speaker 1: the combine. You know, we talked to the head coach,
Speaker 1: the general manager, talked to lots of prospects, all of that.
Speaker 1: One thing that is definitely worth discussing here is the
Speaker 1: a story that that um You've been working on for
Speaker 1: our website. You talked to both John Dorsey, the new
Speaker 1: GM of the Cleveland Browns, and John Schneider, the general
Speaker 1: manager of the Seattle Seahawks, about their history with Ryan
Speaker 1: Gouda Kunston, what they thought of what's going on in
Speaker 1: Green Bay now with him stepping in for Ted Thompson.
Speaker 1: What was your biggest takeaway from the comments that they
Speaker 1: gave you about their former colleague. Yeah, the biggest takeaway
Speaker 1: I think was John Snyder and in you know, asking
Speaker 1: him exactly what his first impression was working with Brian Goodacunsten,
Speaker 1: how he really just blew him away with his knowledge
Speaker 1: of football. Obviously came from a football background with his
Speaker 1: father and his connections at the University of Minnesota. He
Speaker 1: played Brian did at the University of Lacrosse, was basically
Speaker 1: serving as an assistant coach by the time he ended
Speaker 1: his career there due to injury, and just said, he's
Speaker 1: an all around football guy. But the interesting thing with
Speaker 1: both Dorsey and Snyder when you have this, these these
Speaker 1: big branches that round Wolf has in the scouting uh
Speaker 1: tree of the NFL. UH, just the parallels between all
Speaker 1: these guys and how sometimes they also intersect. And really
Speaker 1: Dorsey and Snyder were the one A one b of
Speaker 1: Brian Goodacun getting his foot in the door in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Dorsey was obviously we talked about at the time in
Speaker 1: which good Acounts was hired. He was the guy who
Speaker 1: called up on the Friday night when John when Brian
Speaker 1: Goodacuns was working at the local supper club and in Lacrosse,
Speaker 1: telling him to be in Green Bay. I think it
Speaker 1: was seven eight in the morning, whatever it was, for
Speaker 1: his internship as a packer. Scout hung up the phone
Speaker 1: right away, and then Snyder is actually the one that
Speaker 1: took Goodacuns after that internship with him down to Kansas
Speaker 1: City for his first real immersion into the full time
Speaker 1: life of an NFL scout. And and both of the
Speaker 1: guys who said glowing things to say about him and
Speaker 1: what his work and his his work ethic and his
Speaker 1: approach was on a day in, day out basis. And now,
Speaker 1: obviously he's a competitor. I mean, there's only thirty two
Speaker 1: of these jobs, and you know there's a lot of
Speaker 1: competition for them. But at the same time, you could
Speaker 1: tell there was a great deal of pride as well
Speaker 1: and being able to really develop Goodacuns into the personnel
Speaker 1: man that he is today. Yeah, And as I said
Speaker 1: last week on the show, the biggest impression at Goudacunts
Speaker 1: made on me in terms of his first big press
Speaker 1: conference there at the combine with national media there and
Speaker 1: then meeting with you know, groups of local reporters off
Speaker 1: to the side things like that, is he just he
Speaker 1: just looks like he belongs. It's like it looks like everything.
Speaker 1: You know, not to say he was born to do
Speaker 1: this necessarily, but you can definitely see that he's prepared
Speaker 1: to do this. He does not look out of his
Speaker 1: element whatsoever in the leadership position. And I think scouting,
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just like any other any other line
Speaker 1: of work. You know, everybody knows who's good at what
Speaker 1: they do. But even if you're good at what you do,
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean you can climb the ladder and
Speaker 1: be in those leadership positions. There are guys who are
Speaker 1: probably great scouts, who are not necessarily going to be
Speaker 1: able to lead an entire personnel department and lead a
Speaker 1: football operation. Goodakoots is one of these guys that just
Speaker 1: strikes me as as um, you know, totally prepared and
Speaker 1: ready for this opportunity. Yeah, I almost look at it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember these games, Mike, you
Speaker 1: into the mall at least I went to the mall back,
Speaker 1: and then you'd take the penny or the nickel or
Speaker 1: the dime you'd put in that little funnel where the
Speaker 1: quarter just said, it goes round and round and round.
Speaker 1: For Goodacus, there was twenty years of that, and every
Speaker 1: step kind of took him a little bit closer. In
Speaker 1: these past few years he had pretty darn close. I mean,
Speaker 1: he interviewed with the San Francisco forty niners with their
Speaker 1: GM position. I know there was people that I had
Speaker 1: talked to last year that thought he was gonna get
Speaker 1: that position, and lo and behold, he ends up sticking
Speaker 1: around and it has one more year to kind of
Speaker 1: you know, being you know, deputized and have that internship
Speaker 1: underneath Ted Thompson. But now he's in that chair, and
Speaker 1: I think seeing him at the podium, I mean that
Speaker 1: was the first question I asked when he went up.
Speaker 1: There is just how this is different than before, and
Speaker 1: for him it really isn't other than the fact that
Speaker 1: he is the forward facing you know, GM. Now he's
Speaker 1: the personnel executive that has to answer these questions as
Speaker 1: opposed to in the past when he basically just talked
Speaker 1: to the media after the Packers selected a player in
Speaker 1: the draft room every April and May. So for him now,
Speaker 1: I think it just seems like he's ready for this moment.
Speaker 1: He's ready to be there, He's ready to be accountable
Speaker 1: for what the decisions that they're gonna make, and he
Speaker 1: also has a pretty good, you know group around him
Speaker 1: to kind of go off of as well. This is
Speaker 1: gonna be a process. Everything we saw it with Ted Thompson.
Speaker 1: We saw it with Ron Wolf even if there wasn't
Speaker 1: as many you know, cameras and social media back in
Speaker 1: the early nineties. These guys have to learn and kind
Speaker 1: of feel out their way. But considering he still has
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson there with him, the personnel people he has
Speaker 1: around him, Rust Ball still in the organization as well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of resources for Brian Goodicoins to do
Speaker 1: what he does best and really start to you know,
Speaker 1: make that position his own. After Ted Thompson in a
Speaker 1: thirteen year run, that is going to be up there
Speaker 1: and in one of the greatest you know moments in
Speaker 1: Packer's history. Yeah. Well, when you talked about in the
Speaker 1: past we'd seen good Count's take the podium on draft
Speaker 1: weekend at some point to talk about a prospect. It
Speaker 1: always struck me how just how thoroughly knowledgeable he was
Speaker 1: about anybody that the Packers selected in the draft. Could
Speaker 1: have put him up at the podium to talk about
Speaker 1: any of them. They just took you know, certain ones
Speaker 1: at times. And I think one thing that will be
Speaker 1: that will be an interesting change. Um, you know, Ted
Speaker 1: Thompson would always is always kind of the main press
Speaker 1: conference on that Thursday night when you make the first
Speaker 1: round pick. But he's he's always he's not necessarily going
Speaker 1: to you know, you know, recite chapter and verse of
Speaker 1: the guy's scouting report. Right. Well, Goodakoons, might you know,
Speaker 1: give a little bit more of that. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: got it all, you know, you know, it's all up
Speaker 1: in his head. He knows everything about, you know, any
Speaker 1: guy that the Packers are going to choose. I think
Speaker 1: that that press conference after pick number one on that
Speaker 1: Thursday night of the draft could be pretty interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to keep a similar approach. I
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be like giving it away any
Speaker 1: trade secrets beforehand, but you can just see when when
Speaker 1: decisions are made. Even in this small two months that
Speaker 1: he's been in that role, his reflection in research and
Speaker 1: and obviously knowledge of players is expansive, and I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna be willing to share that. Yeah, no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. With that, we'll go to a break back
Speaker 1: with more on Packers on scripted right after this. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes
Speaker 1: Hodkowitz in that one West getting back to a subject
Speaker 1: that we touched on, um, I guess would be a
Speaker 1: little over a month ago now. When Mike McCarthy first
Speaker 1: introduced the coaching changes, he talked about going back to
Speaker 1: page one of the playbook with Joe Philbin and James
Speaker 1: Campen and then the other new offensive assistance and really
Speaker 1: kind of building it from scratch. I'll have to admit
Speaker 1: I thought that was maybe a bit of an exaggeration,
Speaker 1: but then revisiting the issue with Coach McCarthy at the
Speaker 1: scouting combine in Indianapolis, he wasn't exaggerating at all. He
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, telling some story to to to
Speaker 1: sound good. They literally went back to page one of
Speaker 1: the playbook, you know, how to huddle up, and went
Speaker 1: over everything to make sure that that, you know, all
Speaker 1: of those basics that they're going to be teaching the players,
Speaker 1: showing the players that everything is in place, and and
Speaker 1: what struck me in that conversation with Coach McCarthy about
Speaker 1: it is that he seems to me, anyway, after a
Speaker 1: tough couple of months with having to make decisions, let
Speaker 1: coaches go hire new guys and and everything that goes
Speaker 1: into that, he seems very you know, revitalized and re
Speaker 1: energized in a sense that that his offensive playbook. They
Speaker 1: are literally going back to page one and rebuilding it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think there's two components of this that are
Speaker 1: so important. The first thing is when you've been in
Speaker 1: a role for thirteen years, um, it's only natural to
Speaker 1: want to you know, shift some stuff and make some changes.
Speaker 1: And I think the Packers have done a good job
Speaker 1: of that periodically throughout that. I mean, you can never
Speaker 1: say that McCarthy has not been reassessing where the team stands.
Speaker 1: He does it every offseason. But you look at this
Speaker 1: coach staff. This is the big biggest structural change the
Speaker 1: Packers have made with their coaching staff perhaps ever, when
Speaker 1: you consider both the changes on the offensive and defensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball. So you're getting in new guys,
Speaker 1: You're getting in new philosophies, and even a guy like
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Philbin, who's a big part of this
Speaker 1: process returning to Green Bay. He was upfront about it
Speaker 1: right from the get go. It's been seven years since
Speaker 1: he's been here. I mean, things change, and there's stuff
Speaker 1: that he's learned, There's philosophies that have evolved for him,
Speaker 1: and the Packers offense looks a lot different now than
Speaker 1: it did back in two thousand eleven as well, so
Speaker 1: meshing all of those personalities together is important. But you know,
Speaker 1: during the luncheon that we had with McCarthy, that was
Speaker 1: one of the things I asked him, is that did
Speaker 1: you always know that this was going to be the
Speaker 1: plan that you wanted, you know, when he did your analysis,
Speaker 1: that you wanted to actually, you know, just go back
Speaker 1: to square one. And he said it really was a
Speaker 1: two part pronged approach. It was going back after the
Speaker 1: season and doing his review and deciding that, but then
Speaker 1: also getting a chance to sit down with Philbin after
Speaker 1: he'd been rehired his offensive coordinator and come into the
Speaker 1: realization that this is probably the best butt forward for
Speaker 1: this team. Yeah. And another part of it too, that
Speaker 1: that I didn't realize was part of Mike McCarthy's processes
Speaker 1: that he talked about doing a four year study on
Speaker 1: his offense, that that he's done that over the years,
Speaker 1: and with two thousand and seventeen being his twelfth year
Speaker 1: as the head coach, this was the third than four
Speaker 1: year study that he did in the off season. In
Speaker 1: terms of looking back at at a larger chunk of
Speaker 1: things instead of just the previous season. And hey, you
Speaker 1: look at you know, the last four years, two thousand
Speaker 1: and fifteen and two thousand seventeen, two of the rougher
Speaker 1: years on offense for different reasons, but two of the
Speaker 1: rougher years on offense for the Packers. And I think
Speaker 1: going through that, that's where now he feels, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is time to go back to to square one
Speaker 1: of the playbook and and go back to the basics.
Speaker 1: And and it's an interesting dynamic with these offensive coaches
Speaker 1: because Joe Philbin obviously has the history from McCarthy's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, first five years, so he knows the history
Speaker 1: of the offense, but then he wasn't here for some
Speaker 1: of the evolution of it, as you said, for the
Speaker 1: last six or seven years. You have someone like James
Speaker 1: Campin who has been here all the way along and
Speaker 1: knows all of the the ins and outs and the
Speaker 1: wise as to how certain things have changed. Then you
Speaker 1: also have a new pass game coordinator, Jim Hostler, who
Speaker 1: has experienced with Philbin, having worked with him in the past,
Speaker 1: but now both of them are here together in Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Hostlers looking at a new offense, but Philbin is looking
Speaker 1: at one that he knew from the beginning, but it's
Speaker 1: changed a little bit. So there's just so many different
Speaker 1: perspectives now in that room as far as how they're
Speaker 1: building the playbook for twenty and I find it kind
Speaker 1: of fascinating how this is all coming together. It certainly is,
Speaker 1: and I don't think I have a high enough IQ
Speaker 1: to be able to process all of it. It's just
Speaker 1: like firelights going off in my brain right now. But
Speaker 1: I think, ultimately, in the most simplistic way you could
Speaker 1: say it, it's just trying to take all of these
Speaker 1: dots that have already been connected and just bring the
Speaker 1: rest of them together because there is that working relationship.
Speaker 1: And I said right from the beginning when announced the
Speaker 1: new coaches last month, there is a big opportunity here
Speaker 1: that even though this group hasn't been together per se,
Speaker 1: underneath one team won venue one name, a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys have working relationships. And the biggest thing for me,
Speaker 1: I think comes back to Philbin and the fact that, yes,
Speaker 1: things have changed, but this offense, I think you can
Speaker 1: look at it statistically objectively and agree it was at
Speaker 1: its best when Joe Philbin was there with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: coordinating this thing. Those two guys make each other better,
Speaker 1: and now being able to get that group back together,
Speaker 1: and the history that he also has with Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: it's it's really gives you a lot of hope that
Speaker 1: this re rejuvenation, as you said, can ultimately get the
Speaker 1: Packers offense to where they want to be once again
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis. Yeah, well, a story we're definitely
Speaker 1: going to be following all through the off season. But
Speaker 1: with that, we're going to go to a breakback with
Speaker 1: Moron Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted.
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford here, West, Hodko wits over there, West, continuing
Speaker 1: our discussion with regards to the offense the offensive playbook.
Speaker 1: One of the specifics and specific players that we talked
Speaker 1: about at the combine with coach McCarthy and with Brian
Speaker 1: Gudokuns is Time Montgomery. And I think the safest thing
Speaker 1: to say is that it does not matter or it
Speaker 1: will not matter what position Time Montgomery is listed as
Speaker 1: on the roster, whether they list him as running back
Speaker 1: or wide receiver. I think the messages that they are
Speaker 1: going to find ways to get Time Montgomery the ball
Speaker 1: and where he lines up in relation to the snap
Speaker 1: of the ball is really not the issue. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think Mike, we put so much emphasis on positions.
Speaker 1: If we've learned anything over the last four years, positions
Speaker 1: really don't matter. It's about the player. And I get it.
Speaker 1: It's a fantasy football thing though too, so I understand
Speaker 1: I don't aggravating part of this whole process. I understand
Speaker 1: it from that perspective, But in the in the bigger picture,
Speaker 1: you have to realize how much it really doesn't mean
Speaker 1: what position was Jared Cook tight end, right back, played receiver,
Speaker 1: played boundary receiver, even in the slot, Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde,
Speaker 1: Julius Peppers, the list goes on and on. But you're right,
Speaker 1: because Time Montgomery there's a lot of value in that
Speaker 1: fantasy football thing if he's in the running back spot
Speaker 1: because you can use them there and you know, potentially
Speaker 1: be able to reap those rewards. But the thing is
Speaker 1: about it to me, from my perspective, is that Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: when they're sitting in on these meetings, they don't care
Speaker 1: about what position he's playing. And what he's listening at.
Speaker 1: They care about the availability side of it. They care
Speaker 1: about the production side of it. And if there's one
Speaker 1: thing the Packers are looking for from Montgomery two thousand
Speaker 1: and eighteen is availability, because he's shown he can be
Speaker 1: the type of playmaker that can really make an impact
Speaker 1: on a football game. He's done it as a receiver,
Speaker 1: he's done it as a running back. He's done it
Speaker 1: at every position they've put him at. And there is
Speaker 1: a huge benefit, Michael to splitting him out from the
Speaker 1: backfield and having a guy in the slot with his hands,
Speaker 1: because he has tremendous hands. So I thought the biggest
Speaker 1: takeaway from me and it's not just Montgomery, it's also
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams, Mike McCarthy. Even though I
Speaker 1: think you can use all these guys in a multitude
Speaker 1: of different ways, Mike McCarthy just wants them all to
Speaker 1: be available. He wants to have that there and and hey,
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do about that. But
Speaker 1: I think if you could get all three of them
Speaker 1: on the field available at the same time, the miss
Speaker 1: the matchup games and that Packers could play, Uh, it
Speaker 1: really could get a defensive coordinator's head spinning. Yeah, That's
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is is at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's going to come down to the
Speaker 1: matchups and what type of matchup they feel in a
Speaker 1: certain game against a certain defense that Time Montgomery they
Speaker 1: feel can take advantage of. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: go so far as to say that that it becomes
Speaker 1: a chess piece type of thing like we're talking about
Speaker 1: with certain defensive players, but it kind of gets close
Speaker 1: to that in a way against a certain defense or
Speaker 1: when you're looking for a certain matchup where you want
Speaker 1: to get Time Montgomery, as an example, isolated against a
Speaker 1: certain defender, against a certain linebacker or a safety or
Speaker 1: whoever that might be, and then get him the ball
Speaker 1: in a certain way. That's where the the offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: is thinking very much along the same lines as a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator saying, I want to get my pass rusher
Speaker 1: matched up against this blocker, you know, So that's how
Speaker 1: I'm going to scheme things so he can be one
Speaker 1: on one there and hopefully make something happen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, Mike, you look at I've said this to
Speaker 1: you before, but the Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots,
Speaker 1: there were eleven running backs and on those active rosters
Speaker 1: in those games. One of the things that the Patriots
Speaker 1: have been really successful at, even if they haven't been
Speaker 1: able to find a prototypical number one back, is that
Speaker 1: in a matchup game in a week two week basis,
Speaker 1: they can roll with Dion Lewis, they could go with
Speaker 1: Rex Burkehead. You have James White, we know what his
Speaker 1: history is. Brandon Bolden just signed another contract they have
Speaker 1: and Mike what gles Gleslie whatever his name was from
Speaker 1: Buffalo this past year. Um, all those guys gave them
Speaker 1: so many different things that defense has had to prepare
Speaker 1: for and then some of that matters, some of it didn't.
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, and at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're not wearing out any
Speaker 1: one of those guys over the course of sixteen games.
Speaker 1: So no huddle offense. The Packers want to have guys
Speaker 1: that they can just keep in there at the same time.
Speaker 1: But the more that all those guys can do, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be for the better and for time. Montgomery, assuming
Speaker 1: everything works out with his risk coming back from that injury,
Speaker 1: this experience, Mike Receiver running back wherever they put him.
Speaker 1: That background is only going to make him that much
Speaker 1: better as a football player. Yeah. Well, and and time
Speaker 1: Montgomery not to say that he hasn't been incentivized or
Speaker 1: or certainly dedicated to what he does, but he also
Speaker 1: will be in a contract here and this is gonna
Speaker 1: be a big year for him in terms of what
Speaker 1: sets up for the rest of his football career. Yeah.
Speaker 1: With that, we'll go to a break back with more
Speaker 1: on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers
Speaker 1: Unscripted Mike Spofford alongside West, hod Kits and West Quickly,
Speaker 1: A topic I want to get to before we go
Speaker 1: here today. We talk a lot on this show. We
Speaker 1: hear it from coaches and press conferences, at podiums, all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff about the second year jump, a
Speaker 1: player who makes a big leap in terms of his
Speaker 1: his body type, his productivity, his his accomplishments on the
Speaker 1: field from the first year to the second year. So
Speaker 1: a question that I raised with with coach McCarthy and
Speaker 1: India is, okay, take a look at the Packers if
Speaker 1: if you were to pick out two guys from that
Speaker 1: draft class, who really made that big second year jump
Speaker 1: in T seventeen, it's Blake Martinez and Kenny Clark. I
Speaker 1: don't think there's any disputing that. So then the question
Speaker 1: as well, after they make the big second year jump,
Speaker 1: what's next, And Coach McCarthy said, without hesitation, He's like,
Speaker 1: next is you become a core player. You go from
Speaker 1: being the guy everybody's looking at as a young player
Speaker 1: on the rise two then you're making that transition to
Speaker 1: be a veteran player that the coaches and the personnel
Speaker 1: staff are looking at as somebody who's going to be
Speaker 1: part of the long term future of this team. And
Speaker 1: certainly Martinez and Clark are two guys who right now
Speaker 1: are on that trajectory. And I can definitely see both
Speaker 1: of those guys becoming core players, even with a new
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, becoming core players for a Green Bay Packers defense.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can play, you can play. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I'm going back to Vick Catchman's old saying it
Speaker 1: is it's really plays, not players. Are players not plays time?
Speaker 1: And then I went and mess it up. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing is, there's a few exceptions to the rule.
Speaker 1: And then Clay Matthews probably was just because of how
Speaker 1: dynamic he was right off the base. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: b J. Raji had probably his two best seasons in
Speaker 1: the NFL in year one and year two. But look
Speaker 1: at Davante Adams, right, look at a guy like Randall
Speaker 1: Cob Jordy Nelson, Corey Linsley. The list goes on and on.
Speaker 1: Guys who really uh, Mike Daniels is probably the poster
Speaker 1: child for it. Guys who in every single season took
Speaker 1: another step forward and then once they got to that
Speaker 1: year four, we're just youth. Year three, d year four,
Speaker 1: We're just dynamic players. You saw a quantum leap in
Speaker 1: the game of both Kenny Clark and Blake Martinez this
Speaker 1: past year. Uh, in varying degrees. I thought you kind
Speaker 1: of saw it at the beginning at the end of
Speaker 1: last season with Clark, and then Blake Martinez just blew
Speaker 1: me away with how well he played. But now it's
Speaker 1: about taking that next step. It's about Kenny Clark becoming
Speaker 1: that Mike Daniels kind of difference maker there on a day.
Speaker 1: You know, everyday basis Blake Martinez shoring up some of
Speaker 1: the reactionary stuff, some of the coverage are responsibilities and
Speaker 1: becoming a complete inside linebacker in a league where there
Speaker 1: is such a heavy emphasis on hybrids and things like that,
Speaker 1: he needs to show that, you know what, the traditional
Speaker 1: inside linebacker has a role too. Yeah, and you mentioned
Speaker 1: the guys that the Packers have recently extended contracts of.
Speaker 1: When you continue to make that progression into year three
Speaker 1: and year four to become a core player, then that's
Speaker 1: when the personnel department, the coaching steps says, hey, we
Speaker 1: don't even want this guy to get very close to
Speaker 1: free agency. We want to give the contract extension. We've
Speaker 1: seen it with box tr We've seen it with Adams,
Speaker 1: We've seen it with Lindsley, we saw it with daniels Um.
Speaker 1: You know all those guys. That's that's where it happens.
Speaker 1: And and you know, Martinez and Clark are two guys
Speaker 1: on that trajectory. You have to keep it going in
Speaker 1: two thousand Alright. With that, we'll call it a wrap
Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow
Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team on Packers dot
Speaker 1: com on Twitter. He's at west Hod, I'm at Mike
Speaker 1: Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning
Speaker 1: in everybody. We'll see you next time.