1
00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

2
00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,680
Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowits were

3
00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,880
Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field

4
00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,960
Speaker 1: and West. Kind of a continuing conversation here all week

5
00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,560
Speaker 1: on our show with lots of different topics, ideas, things

6
00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,720
Speaker 1: that we brought back from our week in Indianapolis at

7
00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,640
Speaker 1: the combine. You know, we talked to the head coach,

8
00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,400
Speaker 1: the general manager, talked to lots of prospects, all of that.

9
00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,360
Speaker 1: One thing that is definitely worth discussing here is the

10
00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,440
Speaker 1: a story that that um You've been working on for

11
00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,880
Speaker 1: our website. You talked to both John Dorsey, the new

12
00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,720
Speaker 1: GM of the Cleveland Browns, and John Schneider, the general

13
00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,200
Speaker 1: manager of the Seattle Seahawks, about their history with Ryan

14
00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:02,720
Speaker 1: Gouda Kunston, what they thought of what's going on in

15
00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,960
Speaker 1: Green Bay now with him stepping in for Ted Thompson.

16
00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,640
Speaker 1: What was your biggest takeaway from the comments that they

17
00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,800
Speaker 1: gave you about their former colleague. Yeah, the biggest takeaway

18
00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,640
Speaker 1: I think was John Snyder and in you know, asking

19
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:20,280
Speaker 1: him exactly what his first impression was working with Brian Goodacunsten,

20
00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,919
Speaker 1: how he really just blew him away with his knowledge

21
00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,760
Speaker 1: of football. Obviously came from a football background with his

22
00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,039
Speaker 1: father and his connections at the University of Minnesota. He

23
00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:32,800
Speaker 1: played Brian did at the University of Lacrosse, was basically

24
00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,559
Speaker 1: serving as an assistant coach by the time he ended

25
00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,480
Speaker 1: his career there due to injury, and just said, he's

26
00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,759
Speaker 1: an all around football guy. But the interesting thing with

27
00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,240
Speaker 1: both Dorsey and Snyder when you have this, these these

28
00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,200
Speaker 1: big branches that round Wolf has in the scouting uh

29
00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,720
Speaker 1: tree of the NFL. UH, just the parallels between all

30
00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,880
Speaker 1: these guys and how sometimes they also intersect. And really

31
00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:59,120
Speaker 1: Dorsey and Snyder were the one A one b of

32
00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,680
Speaker 1: Brian Goodacun getting his foot in the door in the NFL.

33
00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,680
Speaker 1: Dorsey was obviously we talked about at the time in

34
00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,240
Speaker 1: which good Acounts was hired. He was the guy who

35
00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,120
Speaker 1: called up on the Friday night when John when Brian

36
00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:14,000
Speaker 1: Goodacuns was working at the local supper club and in Lacrosse,

37
00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,480
Speaker 1: telling him to be in Green Bay. I think it

38
00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,680
Speaker 1: was seven eight in the morning, whatever it was, for

39
00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,560
Speaker 1: his internship as a packer. Scout hung up the phone

40
00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,200
Speaker 1: right away, and then Snyder is actually the one that

41
00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,840
Speaker 1: took Goodacuns after that internship with him down to Kansas

42
00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,280
Speaker 1: City for his first real immersion into the full time

43
00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,679
Speaker 1: life of an NFL scout. And and both of the

44
00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,640
Speaker 1: guys who said glowing things to say about him and

45
00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,840
Speaker 1: what his work and his his work ethic and his

46
00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,679
Speaker 1: approach was on a day in, day out basis. And now,

47
00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,840
Speaker 1: obviously he's a competitor. I mean, there's only thirty two

48
00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,560
Speaker 1: of these jobs, and you know there's a lot of

49
00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,959
Speaker 1: competition for them. But at the same time, you could

50
00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,680
Speaker 1: tell there was a great deal of pride as well

51
00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,760
Speaker 1: and being able to really develop Goodacuns into the personnel

52
00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:56,640
Speaker 1: man that he is today. Yeah, And as I said

53
00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:01,400
Speaker 1: last week on the show, the biggest impression at Goudacunts

54
00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,120
Speaker 1: made on me in terms of his first big press

55
00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,920
Speaker 1: conference there at the combine with national media there and

56
00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,120
Speaker 1: then meeting with you know, groups of local reporters off

57
00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,760
Speaker 1: to the side things like that, is he just he

58
00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,760
Speaker 1: just looks like he belongs. It's like it looks like everything.

59
00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:17,760
Speaker 1: You know, not to say he was born to do

60
00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,800
Speaker 1: this necessarily, but you can definitely see that he's prepared

61
00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,040
Speaker 1: to do this. He does not look out of his

62
00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,840
Speaker 1: element whatsoever in the leadership position. And I think scouting,

63
00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's just like any other any other line

64
00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,640
Speaker 1: of work. You know, everybody knows who's good at what

65
00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:34,960
Speaker 1: they do. But even if you're good at what you do,

66
00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,080
Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily mean you can climb the ladder and

67
00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:40,520
Speaker 1: be in those leadership positions. There are guys who are

68
00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,040
Speaker 1: probably great scouts, who are not necessarily going to be

69
00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,040
Speaker 1: able to lead an entire personnel department and lead a

70
00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,480
Speaker 1: football operation. Goodakoots is one of these guys that just

71
00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,280
Speaker 1: strikes me as as um, you know, totally prepared and

72
00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,000
Speaker 1: ready for this opportunity. Yeah, I almost look at it.

73
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember these games, Mike, you

74
00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,680
Speaker 1: into the mall at least I went to the mall back,

75
00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,240
Speaker 1: and then you'd take the penny or the nickel or

76
00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,040
Speaker 1: the dime you'd put in that little funnel where the

77
00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,200
Speaker 1: quarter just said, it goes round and round and round.

78
00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,080
Speaker 1: For Goodacus, there was twenty years of that, and every

79
00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,000
Speaker 1: step kind of took him a little bit closer. In

80
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,920
Speaker 1: these past few years he had pretty darn close. I mean,

81
00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,040
Speaker 1: he interviewed with the San Francisco forty niners with their

82
00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:19,920
Speaker 1: GM position. I know there was people that I had

83
00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,000
Speaker 1: talked to last year that thought he was gonna get

84
00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,159
Speaker 1: that position, and lo and behold, he ends up sticking

85
00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,960
Speaker 1: around and it has one more year to kind of

86
00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,200
Speaker 1: you know, being you know, deputized and have that internship

87
00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:35,839
Speaker 1: underneath Ted Thompson. But now he's in that chair, and

88
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,159
Speaker 1: I think seeing him at the podium, I mean that

89
00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,000
Speaker 1: was the first question I asked when he went up.

90
00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,039
Speaker 1: There is just how this is different than before, and

91
00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:44,279
Speaker 1: for him it really isn't other than the fact that

92
00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,840
Speaker 1: he is the forward facing you know, GM. Now he's

93
00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,760
Speaker 1: the personnel executive that has to answer these questions as

94
00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,119
Speaker 1: opposed to in the past when he basically just talked

95
00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,200
Speaker 1: to the media after the Packers selected a player in

96
00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,400
Speaker 1: the draft room every April and May. So for him now,

97
00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,520
Speaker 1: I think it just seems like he's ready for this moment.

98
00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,840
Speaker 1: He's ready to be there, He's ready to be accountable

99
00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,039
Speaker 1: for what the decisions that they're gonna make, and he

100
00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,520
Speaker 1: also has a pretty good, you know group around him

101
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,080
Speaker 1: to kind of go off of as well. This is

102
00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a process. Everything we saw it with Ted Thompson.

103
00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,400
Speaker 1: We saw it with Ron Wolf even if there wasn't

104
00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,960
Speaker 1: as many you know, cameras and social media back in

105
00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,080
Speaker 1: the early nineties. These guys have to learn and kind

106
00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,640
Speaker 1: of feel out their way. But considering he still has

107
00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,200
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson there with him, the personnel people he has

108
00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,080
Speaker 1: around him, Rust Ball still in the organization as well,

109
00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,839
Speaker 1: there's a lot of resources for Brian Goodicoins to do

110
00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,440
Speaker 1: what he does best and really start to you know,

111
00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,279
Speaker 1: make that position his own. After Ted Thompson in a

112
00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,159
Speaker 1: thirteen year run, that is going to be up there

113
00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,040
Speaker 1: and in one of the greatest you know moments in

114
00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,960
Speaker 1: Packer's history. Yeah. Well, when you talked about in the

115
00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,520
Speaker 1: past we'd seen good Count's take the podium on draft

116
00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,719
Speaker 1: weekend at some point to talk about a prospect. It

117
00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,520
Speaker 1: always struck me how just how thoroughly knowledgeable he was

118
00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,279
Speaker 1: about anybody that the Packers selected in the draft. Could

119
00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:01,880
Speaker 1: have put him up at the podium to talk about

120
00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,000
Speaker 1: any of them. They just took you know, certain ones

121
00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,280
Speaker 1: at times. And I think one thing that will be

122
00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,039
Speaker 1: that will be an interesting change. Um, you know, Ted

123
00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,880
Speaker 1: Thompson would always is always kind of the main press

124
00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,160
Speaker 1: conference on that Thursday night when you make the first

125
00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,200
Speaker 1: round pick. But he's he's always he's not necessarily going

126
00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,839
Speaker 1: to you know, you know, recite chapter and verse of

127
00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:26,760
Speaker 1: the guy's scouting report. Right. Well, Goodakoons, might you know,

128
00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,640
Speaker 1: give a little bit more of that. I mean, he's

129
00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,880
Speaker 1: got it all, you know, you know, it's all up

130
00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:33,159
Speaker 1: in his head. He knows everything about, you know, any

131
00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:34,960
Speaker 1: guy that the Packers are going to choose. I think

132
00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,040
Speaker 1: that that press conference after pick number one on that

133
00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,320
Speaker 1: Thursday night of the draft could be pretty interesting. Yeah.

134
00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,000
Speaker 1: I think he's going to keep a similar approach. I

135
00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:43,760
Speaker 1: don't think he's gonna be like giving it away any

136
00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,800
Speaker 1: trade secrets beforehand, but you can just see when when

137
00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,599
Speaker 1: decisions are made. Even in this small two months that

138
00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,960
Speaker 1: he's been in that role, his reflection in research and

139
00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,160
Speaker 1: and obviously knowledge of players is expansive, and I think

140
00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna be willing to share that. Yeah, no doubt

141
00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,000
Speaker 1: about it. With that, we'll go to a break back

142
00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:19,160
Speaker 1: with more on Packers on scripted right after this. Welcome

143
00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,160
Speaker 1: back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, Wes

144
00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:26,080
Speaker 1: Hodkowitz in that one West getting back to a subject

145
00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,520
Speaker 1: that we touched on, um, I guess would be a

146
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:31,000
Speaker 1: little over a month ago now. When Mike McCarthy first

147
00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:35,600
Speaker 1: introduced the coaching changes, he talked about going back to

148
00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,240
Speaker 1: page one of the playbook with Joe Philbin and James

149
00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,000
Speaker 1: Campen and then the other new offensive assistance and really

150
00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of building it from scratch. I'll have to admit

151
00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: I thought that was maybe a bit of an exaggeration,

152
00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:52,800
Speaker 1: but then revisiting the issue with Coach McCarthy at the

153
00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,400
Speaker 1: scouting combine in Indianapolis, he wasn't exaggerating at all. He

154
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,720
Speaker 1: wasn't just you know, telling some story to to to

155
00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,880
Speaker 1: sound good. They literally went back to page one of

156
00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,320
Speaker 1: the playbook, you know, how to huddle up, and went

157
00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,560
Speaker 1: over everything to make sure that that, you know, all

158
00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,280
Speaker 1: of those basics that they're going to be teaching the players,

159
00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,120
Speaker 1: showing the players that everything is in place, and and

160
00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,760
Speaker 1: what struck me in that conversation with Coach McCarthy about

161
00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,240
Speaker 1: it is that he seems to me, anyway, after a

162
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,160
Speaker 1: tough couple of months with having to make decisions, let

163
00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,960
Speaker 1: coaches go hire new guys and and everything that goes

164
00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,440
Speaker 1: into that, he seems very you know, revitalized and re

165
00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,760
Speaker 1: energized in a sense that that his offensive playbook. They

166
00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,240
Speaker 1: are literally going back to page one and rebuilding it. Yeah,

167
00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,520
Speaker 1: And I think there's two components of this that are

168
00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,040
Speaker 1: so important. The first thing is when you've been in

169
00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,040
Speaker 1: a role for thirteen years, um, it's only natural to

170
00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,320
Speaker 1: want to you know, shift some stuff and make some changes.

171
00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:50,839
Speaker 1: And I think the Packers have done a good job

172
00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,440
Speaker 1: of that periodically throughout that. I mean, you can never

173
00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,240
Speaker 1: say that McCarthy has not been reassessing where the team stands.

174
00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,599
Speaker 1: He does it every offseason. But you look at this

175
00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,040
Speaker 1: coach staff. This is the big biggest structural change the

176
00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,839
Speaker 1: Packers have made with their coaching staff perhaps ever, when

177
00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,880
Speaker 1: you consider both the changes on the offensive and defensive

178
00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,200
Speaker 1: side of the ball. So you're getting in new guys,

179
00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,400
Speaker 1: You're getting in new philosophies, and even a guy like

180
00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Philbin, who's a big part of this

181
00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,880
Speaker 1: process returning to Green Bay. He was upfront about it

182
00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,120
Speaker 1: right from the get go. It's been seven years since

183
00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,319
Speaker 1: he's been here. I mean, things change, and there's stuff

184
00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,240
Speaker 1: that he's learned, There's philosophies that have evolved for him,

185
00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,959
Speaker 1: and the Packers offense looks a lot different now than

186
00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,160
Speaker 1: it did back in two thousand eleven as well, so

187
00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,840
Speaker 1: meshing all of those personalities together is important. But you know,

188
00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:37,680
Speaker 1: during the luncheon that we had with McCarthy, that was

189
00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,559
Speaker 1: one of the things I asked him, is that did

190
00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,440
Speaker 1: you always know that this was going to be the

191
00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,600
Speaker 1: plan that you wanted, you know, when he did your analysis,

192
00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,040
Speaker 1: that you wanted to actually, you know, just go back

193
00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,240
Speaker 1: to square one. And he said it really was a

194
00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,640
Speaker 1: two part pronged approach. It was going back after the

195
00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,360
Speaker 1: season and doing his review and deciding that, but then

196
00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,760
Speaker 1: also getting a chance to sit down with Philbin after

197
00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,400
Speaker 1: he'd been rehired his offensive coordinator and come into the

198
00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:00,600
Speaker 1: realization that this is probably the best butt forward for

199
00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,760
Speaker 1: this team. Yeah. And another part of it too, that

200
00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,319
Speaker 1: that I didn't realize was part of Mike McCarthy's processes

201
00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,200
Speaker 1: that he talked about doing a four year study on

202
00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,280
Speaker 1: his offense, that that he's done that over the years,

203
00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,800
Speaker 1: and with two thousand and seventeen being his twelfth year

204
00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,120
Speaker 1: as the head coach, this was the third than four

205
00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,760
Speaker 1: year study that he did in the off season. In

206
00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,040
Speaker 1: terms of looking back at at a larger chunk of

207
00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,160
Speaker 1: things instead of just the previous season. And hey, you

208
00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,480
Speaker 1: look at you know, the last four years, two thousand

209
00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,640
Speaker 1: and fifteen and two thousand seventeen, two of the rougher

210
00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,640
Speaker 1: years on offense for different reasons, but two of the

211
00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,200
Speaker 1: rougher years on offense for the Packers. And I think

212
00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,160
Speaker 1: going through that, that's where now he feels, Okay, yeah,

213
00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,240
Speaker 1: it is time to go back to to square one

214
00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,480
Speaker 1: of the playbook and and go back to the basics.

215
00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,640
Speaker 1: And and it's an interesting dynamic with these offensive coaches

216
00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,000
Speaker 1: because Joe Philbin obviously has the history from McCarthy's uh,

217
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,480
Speaker 1: you know, first five years, so he knows the history

218
00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,960
Speaker 1: of the offense, but then he wasn't here for some

219
00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:02,760
Speaker 1: of the evolution of it, as you said, for the

220
00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,360
Speaker 1: last six or seven years. You have someone like James

221
00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,240
Speaker 1: Campin who has been here all the way along and

222
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,400
Speaker 1: knows all of the the ins and outs and the

223
00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:14,480
Speaker 1: wise as to how certain things have changed. Then you

224
00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,600
Speaker 1: also have a new pass game coordinator, Jim Hostler, who

225
00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,840
Speaker 1: has experienced with Philbin, having worked with him in the past,

226
00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,400
Speaker 1: but now both of them are here together in Green Bay.

227
00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,920
Speaker 1: Hostlers looking at a new offense, but Philbin is looking

228
00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,040
Speaker 1: at one that he knew from the beginning, but it's

229
00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,400
Speaker 1: changed a little bit. So there's just so many different

230
00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,520
Speaker 1: perspectives now in that room as far as how they're

231
00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,000
Speaker 1: building the playbook for twenty and I find it kind

232
00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,640
Speaker 1: of fascinating how this is all coming together. It certainly is,

233
00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,160
Speaker 1: and I don't think I have a high enough IQ

234
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,480
Speaker 1: to be able to process all of it. It's just

235
00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,719
Speaker 1: like firelights going off in my brain right now. But

236
00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:49,559
Speaker 1: I think, ultimately, in the most simplistic way you could

237
00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,360
Speaker 1: say it, it's just trying to take all of these

238
00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:54,920
Speaker 1: dots that have already been connected and just bring the

239
00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,400
Speaker 1: rest of them together because there is that working relationship.

240
00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,480
Speaker 1: And I said right from the beginning when announced the

241
00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,240
Speaker 1: new coaches last month, there is a big opportunity here

242
00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,120
Speaker 1: that even though this group hasn't been together per se,

243
00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:11,040
Speaker 1: underneath one team won venue one name, a lot of

244
00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,600
Speaker 1: these guys have working relationships. And the biggest thing for me,

245
00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:17,680
Speaker 1: I think comes back to Philbin and the fact that, yes,

246
00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,640
Speaker 1: things have changed, but this offense, I think you can

247
00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,640
Speaker 1: look at it statistically objectively and agree it was at

248
00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,200
Speaker 1: its best when Joe Philbin was there with Mike McCarthy

249
00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,840
Speaker 1: coordinating this thing. Those two guys make each other better,

250
00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,280
Speaker 1: and now being able to get that group back together,

251
00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,520
Speaker 1: and the history that he also has with Aaron Rodgers,

252
00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,760
Speaker 1: it's it's really gives you a lot of hope that

253
00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,280
Speaker 1: this re rejuvenation, as you said, can ultimately get the

254
00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,360
Speaker 1: Packers offense to where they want to be once again

255
00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,080
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis. Yeah, well, a story we're definitely

256
00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,080
Speaker 1: going to be following all through the off season. But

257
00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:49,680
Speaker 1: with that, we're going to go to a breakback with

258
00:12:49,760 --> 00:13:10,840
Speaker 1: Moron Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back to Packers Unscripted.

259
00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,160
Speaker 1: Mike Spofford here, West, Hodko wits over there, West, continuing

260
00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,480
Speaker 1: our discussion with regards to the offense the offensive playbook.

261
00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,920
Speaker 1: One of the specifics and specific players that we talked

262
00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,720
Speaker 1: about at the combine with coach McCarthy and with Brian

263
00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:30,040
Speaker 1: Gudokuns is Time Montgomery. And I think the safest thing

264
00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,360
Speaker 1: to say is that it does not matter or it

265
00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:37,600
Speaker 1: will not matter what position Time Montgomery is listed as

266
00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:39,920
Speaker 1: on the roster, whether they list him as running back

267
00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,480
Speaker 1: or wide receiver. I think the messages that they are

268
00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,000
Speaker 1: going to find ways to get Time Montgomery the ball

269
00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,640
Speaker 1: and where he lines up in relation to the snap

270
00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,080
Speaker 1: of the ball is really not the issue. Yeah, And

271
00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,680
Speaker 1: I think Mike, we put so much emphasis on positions.

272
00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:59,719
Speaker 1: If we've learned anything over the last four years, positions

273
00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,800
Speaker 1: really don't matter. It's about the player. And I get it.

274
00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,880
Speaker 1: It's a fantasy football thing though too, so I understand

275
00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,160
Speaker 1: I don't aggravating part of this whole process. I understand

276
00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,920
Speaker 1: it from that perspective, But in the in the bigger picture,

277
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,040
Speaker 1: you have to realize how much it really doesn't mean

278
00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:21,560
Speaker 1: what position was Jared Cook tight end, right back, played receiver,

279
00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:26,920
Speaker 1: played boundary receiver, even in the slot, Morgan Burnett, Micah Hyde,

280
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,800
Speaker 1: Julius Peppers, the list goes on and on. But you're right,

281
00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,400
Speaker 1: because Time Montgomery there's a lot of value in that

282
00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,120
Speaker 1: fantasy football thing if he's in the running back spot

283
00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,360
Speaker 1: because you can use them there and you know, potentially

284
00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,440
Speaker 1: be able to reap those rewards. But the thing is

285
00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:47,119
Speaker 1: about it to me, from my perspective, is that Mike McCarthy,

286
00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,280
Speaker 1: when they're sitting in on these meetings, they don't care

287
00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,440
Speaker 1: about what position he's playing. And what he's listening at.

288
00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,080
Speaker 1: They care about the availability side of it. They care

289
00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,680
Speaker 1: about the production side of it. And if there's one

290
00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,360
Speaker 1: thing the Packers are looking for from Montgomery two thousand

291
00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,160
Speaker 1: and eighteen is availability, because he's shown he can be

292
00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,640
Speaker 1: the type of playmaker that can really make an impact

293
00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,080
Speaker 1: on a football game. He's done it as a receiver,

294
00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:11,560
Speaker 1: he's done it as a running back. He's done it

295
00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,960
Speaker 1: at every position they've put him at. And there is

296
00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,320
Speaker 1: a huge benefit, Michael to splitting him out from the

297
00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,800
Speaker 1: backfield and having a guy in the slot with his hands,

298
00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,840
Speaker 1: because he has tremendous hands. So I thought the biggest

299
00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240
Speaker 1: takeaway from me and it's not just Montgomery, it's also

300
00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,680
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams, Mike McCarthy. Even though I

301
00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,200
Speaker 1: think you can use all these guys in a multitude

302
00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,680
Speaker 1: of different ways, Mike McCarthy just wants them all to

303
00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,080
Speaker 1: be available. He wants to have that there and and hey,

304
00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:38,920
Speaker 1: there's only so much you can do about that. But

305
00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,840
Speaker 1: I think if you could get all three of them

306
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,880
Speaker 1: on the field available at the same time, the miss

307
00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,960
Speaker 1: the matchup games and that Packers could play, Uh, it

308
00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,960
Speaker 1: really could get a defensive coordinator's head spinning. Yeah, That's

309
00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,680
Speaker 1: what I was gonna say is is at the end

310
00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,080
Speaker 1: of the day, it's going to come down to the

311
00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,160
Speaker 1: matchups and what type of matchup they feel in a

312
00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,960
Speaker 1: certain game against a certain defense that Time Montgomery they

313
00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,280
Speaker 1: feel can take advantage of. And I don't want to

314
00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,520
Speaker 1: go so far as to say that that it becomes

315
00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,280
Speaker 1: a chess piece type of thing like we're talking about

316
00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,880
Speaker 1: with certain defensive players, but it kind of gets close

317
00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:14,400
Speaker 1: to that in a way against a certain defense or

318
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,200
Speaker 1: when you're looking for a certain matchup where you want

319
00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,840
Speaker 1: to get Time Montgomery, as an example, isolated against a

320
00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,560
Speaker 1: certain defender, against a certain linebacker or a safety or

321
00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,360
Speaker 1: whoever that might be, and then get him the ball

322
00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,440
Speaker 1: in a certain way. That's where the the offensive coordinator

323
00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,640
Speaker 1: is thinking very much along the same lines as a

324
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,080
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator saying, I want to get my pass rusher

325
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,200
Speaker 1: matched up against this blocker, you know, So that's how

326
00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to scheme things so he can be one

327
00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,640
Speaker 1: on one there and hopefully make something happen. Yeah, and

328
00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,600
Speaker 1: I think, Mike, you look at I've said this to

329
00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,800
Speaker 1: you before, but the Philadelphia Eagles and New England Patriots,

330
00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,120
Speaker 1: there were eleven running backs and on those active rosters

331
00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,600
Speaker 1: in those games. One of the things that the Patriots

332
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,320
Speaker 1: have been really successful at, even if they haven't been

333
00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,640
Speaker 1: able to find a prototypical number one back, is that

334
00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,800
Speaker 1: in a matchup game in a week two week basis,

335
00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120
Speaker 1: they can roll with Dion Lewis, they could go with

336
00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,880
Speaker 1: Rex Burkehead. You have James White, we know what his

337
00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,280
Speaker 1: history is. Brandon Bolden just signed another contract they have

338
00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:13,040
Speaker 1: and Mike what gles Gleslie whatever his name was from

339
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo this past year. Um, all those guys gave them

340
00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,119
Speaker 1: so many different things that defense has had to prepare

341
00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:22,359
Speaker 1: for and then some of that matters, some of it didn't.

342
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:23,919
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, and at

343
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,840
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you're not wearing out any

344
00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,200
Speaker 1: one of those guys over the course of sixteen games.

345
00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,920
Speaker 1: So no huddle offense. The Packers want to have guys

346
00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,440
Speaker 1: that they can just keep in there at the same time.

347
00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,160
Speaker 1: But the more that all those guys can do, it's

348
00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,719
Speaker 1: gonna be for the better and for time. Montgomery, assuming

349
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,880
Speaker 1: everything works out with his risk coming back from that injury,

350
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,639
Speaker 1: this experience, Mike Receiver running back wherever they put him.

351
00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,000
Speaker 1: That background is only going to make him that much

352
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,560
Speaker 1: better as a football player. Yeah. Well, and and time

353
00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:53,760
Speaker 1: Montgomery not to say that he hasn't been incentivized or

354
00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,000
Speaker 1: or certainly dedicated to what he does, but he also

355
00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,840
Speaker 1: will be in a contract here and this is gonna

356
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,520
Speaker 1: be a big year for him in terms of what

357
00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,040
Speaker 1: sets up for the rest of his football career. Yeah.

358
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,120
Speaker 1: With that, we'll go to a break back with more

359
00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:25,760
Speaker 1: on Packers Unscripted right after this. Welcome back to Packers

360
00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:29,480
Speaker 1: Unscripted Mike Spofford alongside West, hod Kits and West Quickly,

361
00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,360
Speaker 1: A topic I want to get to before we go

362
00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,600
Speaker 1: here today. We talk a lot on this show. We

363
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,720
Speaker 1: hear it from coaches and press conferences, at podiums, all

364
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,520
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff about the second year jump, a

365
00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,720
Speaker 1: player who makes a big leap in terms of his

366
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,800
Speaker 1: his body type, his productivity, his his accomplishments on the

367
00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,800
Speaker 1: field from the first year to the second year. So

368
00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,680
Speaker 1: a question that I raised with with coach McCarthy and

369
00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,439
Speaker 1: India is, okay, take a look at the Packers if

370
00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,520
Speaker 1: if you were to pick out two guys from that

371
00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,879
Speaker 1: draft class, who really made that big second year jump

372
00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,639
Speaker 1: in T seventeen, it's Blake Martinez and Kenny Clark. I

373
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,600
Speaker 1: don't think there's any disputing that. So then the question

374
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 1: as well, after they make the big second year jump,

375
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,520
Speaker 1: what's next, And Coach McCarthy said, without hesitation, He's like,

376
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,240
Speaker 1: next is you become a core player. You go from

377
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,119
Speaker 1: being the guy everybody's looking at as a young player

378
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:25,280
Speaker 1: on the rise two then you're making that transition to

379
00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:28,400
Speaker 1: be a veteran player that the coaches and the personnel

380
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 1: staff are looking at as somebody who's going to be

381
00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,480
Speaker 1: part of the long term future of this team. And

382
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 1: certainly Martinez and Clark are two guys who right now

383
00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:40,440
Speaker 1: are on that trajectory. And I can definitely see both

384
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,240
Speaker 1: of those guys becoming core players, even with a new

385
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, becoming core players for a Green Bay Packers defense.

386
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you can play, you can play. I mean,

387
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,679
Speaker 1: it's I'm going back to Vick Catchman's old saying it

388
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 1: is it's really plays, not players. Are players not plays time?

389
00:19:57,080 --> 00:19:59,160
Speaker 1: And then I went and mess it up. But here's

390
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,800
Speaker 1: the thing is, there's a few exceptions to the rule.

391
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,159
Speaker 1: And then Clay Matthews probably was just because of how

392
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,560
Speaker 1: dynamic he was right off the base. Um, you know,

393
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: b J. Raji had probably his two best seasons in

394
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: the NFL in year one and year two. But look

395
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 1: at Davante Adams, right, look at a guy like Randall

396
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 1: Cob Jordy Nelson, Corey Linsley. The list goes on and on.

397
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 1: Guys who really uh, Mike Daniels is probably the poster

398
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 1: child for it. Guys who in every single season took

399
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 1: another step forward and then once they got to that

400
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 1: year four, we're just youth. Year three, d year four,

401
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: We're just dynamic players. You saw a quantum leap in

402
00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,000
Speaker 1: the game of both Kenny Clark and Blake Martinez this

403
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,760
Speaker 1: past year. Uh, in varying degrees. I thought you kind

404
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,320
Speaker 1: of saw it at the beginning at the end of

405
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 1: last season with Clark, and then Blake Martinez just blew

406
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,360
Speaker 1: me away with how well he played. But now it's

407
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: about taking that next step. It's about Kenny Clark becoming

408
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 1: that Mike Daniels kind of difference maker there on a day.

409
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 1: You know, everyday basis Blake Martinez shoring up some of

410
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: the reactionary stuff, some of the coverage are responsibilities and

411
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,640
Speaker 1: becoming a complete inside linebacker in a league where there

412
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: is such a heavy emphasis on hybrids and things like that,

413
00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 1: he needs to show that, you know what, the traditional

414
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,160
Speaker 1: inside linebacker has a role too. Yeah, and you mentioned

415
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: the guys that the Packers have recently extended contracts of.

416
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: When you continue to make that progression into year three

417
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 1: and year four to become a core player, then that's

418
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 1: when the personnel department, the coaching steps says, hey, we

419
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: don't even want this guy to get very close to

420
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: free agency. We want to give the contract extension. We've

421
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: seen it with box tr We've seen it with Adams,

422
00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 1: We've seen it with Lindsley, we saw it with daniels Um.

423
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 1: You know all those guys. That's that's where it happens.

424
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,880
Speaker 1: And and you know, Martinez and Clark are two guys

425
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 1: on that trajectory. You have to keep it going in

426
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,080
Speaker 1: two thousand Alright. With that, we'll call it a wrap

427
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow

428
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,479
Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team on Packers dot

429
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: com on Twitter. He's at west Hod, I'm at Mike

430
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks for tuning

431
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: in everybody. We'll see you next time.